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I feel like Vegeta let's alot opponent power on purpose and loses it because he underestimates his opponent. However I think Frieza is different story.. knowing how evil and cunning Frieza can be. I honestly think Vegeta wouldn't give Frieza that chance to power up. The only thing Frieza would have over Vegeta is that he blow up Planet Namek like he did to earth if Frieza over that desperation. Unless if Vegeta did what Future Trunk do to Frieza later on. Frieza would try blow up planet with Vegeta and the z fighters too. Unless if he finished him off quickly. Even tho Frieza did with Goku by trying to blow up the planet. He didn't do aswell like he did to earth. I mean Frieza would have to blast I had one shot the planet to killed Vegeta. If Frieza did what he did to ssj1 Goku. Vegeta would've finished him off quickly and left. While Goku struggle of killing his opponent by holding back still.

So truly, Goku was the only one who could do it

There are some errors here. For instance. Halfway through his fight with Goku, Freiza decided to use 50% of his power. This was enough to completely overwhelm Goku to the point he couldn't even fight back which resulted in him using the spirit bomb. Even after he reached 100%, Freiza almost immediately beat the breaks off of Goku. Freiza also beat Goku in several clashes and he buried and knocked Goku out at one point. The deciding factor was not that Goku was so much stronger than Freiza, it is just that Freiza's 100% power had a major drawback.

Dbs Broly is not legendary ssj, rookie mistake. Jiren in the anime is stated to be stronger than ALL gods, not just belmod. There's so many guide statements that say that. If you wanna use the Shin argument to say Jiren is stronger than Zamasu, then that some quote also makes him stronger than Beerus.

Vegeta post Zenkai probably had a power lvl around 2 million. Even with Ssj, he would unfortunately lose to Full Power Frizea.

Vegeta would stomp. The super saiyan form narratively is never implied to be any kind of specific multiplier that is uniform between characters, this is just based on maybe Toriyama statements (who mostly just winged it with whatever sounded right in the moment), or guidebooks (which mainly rely on Toriyama). If their powers were equal, Vegeta would also still stomp because he's got more experience and be can sense ki. He's craftier.

Anime Goku GAPS Manga Goku and it is NOT close at all😂😂😂

If it is Future Saga Vegito, then Jiren wins If it is post ToP Vegito, then Vegito wins in base

I played game on tab i lose to beerus very barly even with vegito

SSJ3 Goku will slam in both continuities.

Vegeta going SSJ would DEFINITELY let Frieza go 100% the build up to him becoming SSJ would be too much for him to not be cocky.

Tbf, I think Vegeta would win, mostly cuz as long as he could stay in the fight, Friezas 100 percent would drain his stamina fast. A 20 million power level gap but the same gap goku had on Frieza so there’s a good chance he could survive

Bro trunks destroying freeza shows you just have to ssj to beat him

Imagine getting a new form you hyped up for a whole saga and still losing💀 sounds like a Vegeta move

if vegeta manages to even keep up with frieza at full power for long enough frieza's stamina could lower enough for the odds to be in his favor

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in super he gogeta has a power output limit as well. That fight with broly takes place after the fight with zamasu. And after analyzing that fight he is pacing himself as he doesn't really go into his most powerful forms until towards the end of the fight. As opposed to going full power and just finishing broly immediately. Seemingly utilizing the lessons learned from vegitos fight with zamasu. I think using Gotenks as a template as to how the fusion works is probably the best way to go about it. I don't think the stardust breaker/ soul punisher would work on Zamasu. Due to zamasu not being inherently evil. Pretty sure that entire Ark plays out the same to be honest.

Keep in mind the SSJ form heightens your anger, I see the fight going similarly to how it went with Goku with Vegeta toying with 50% Freeza and Vegeta gloating how he’s going to enjoy killing him. Now two things can occur either Vegeta legitimately just wants to pack Freeza away once and for all and goes into a quick merciless kill or Freeza either goads Vegeta into letting him transform or Freeza pulls a trick that lets him buy enough time to transform or blow up the planet. But I don’t think Vegeta will win. I wouldn’t place my money on SSJ Vegeta being efficient enough or reliable enough to go for a quick end to the fight against Freeza. Looking at all the evidence Vegeta is simply a jobber and has a jobber mindset, he always fumbles when he has the spotlight or could make a decision that would have him win when it really matters. Vegeta chose to toy with Goku when he could have killed him several of times in their first fight allowing a Goku and the others to slowly chip away at him with pure skill, luck and ingenuity which caused him to lose when he had every opportunity to win. Yeah he kills off a bunch of mooks fast but that’s because he doesn’t really care about Freezas army of nobodies at this point plus on namek he had to limit how much Ki he used to avoid Freeza he was going for a stealth run to outmaneuver Freeza. He actively goads Freeza into transforming, so again bad decision making. He Let’s android 19 drain Ki from him in arrogance, which allows Gero to get away and activate 17 and 18 which he actively chooses to fight on his own because he wants a challenge. If it was the future versions they’d all be dead because of his need to have a challenge. He fumbles against Cell and once again gets tricked into letting a weaker opponent he has beat get stronger than him. He completely underestimates babaddi and how strong Majin Buu is and contributes to him waking up. Later against kid Buu he’s the first one to crush the potara and wants to fight Buu 1v1 Goku does to but Atleast Goku has the strength to back it up and a track record of winning and doing whatever it takes to pull out a W when it’s all on the line. Vegeta can’t be given that leniency. He has a track record of making horrible choices and by that metric we must assume he would do the same if he had an upper hand against Freeza he would get to overconfident and blow it. Freeza is to cunning and ruthless for any BS. He’d lose.

Gohan ss2 no injury vs super perfect cell

Goku Black arc literally made Potarra fusion useless getting the Potarra earrings is already a challenge for mortals, and even then when you fuse there's a power limit where instead the Metamoran fusion technique lets you fuse at any time you want with another person who does the dance, and there's no limit in power (except for Gotenks that one time).

omg thank you!! i wish theyd stop reconning the fusions. make them equal with different perks. dance: unlimited usage of your own power and stamina for 30 minutes. errings: merges fighters at their peak base forms perfectly and can allow the lion share of said full power for 1 hour but beyond that power defuse for mortals

Vegeta would let his pride get in the way and let Frieza power up then he would lose eventually because Frieza still had a higher pl than him

The notion that Dragonball would have ended in the Freeza arc is a myth. Toriyama never said he intended to end it there. The closest you get is one of his old editors wanted that. It holds no weight just like that fan myth that Toriyama wanted Dragonball to end in the Cell saga.

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Even in the anime, after Goku’s full power SSJ3 wasn’t enough to beat Kid Buu, Goku’s first option before the Spirit Bomb was to call Gohan and Gotenks to beat Kid Buu, and Gohan is ridiculously stronger than Gotenks, meaning Gohan is the majority of the power in that due

You sound like you’re reading a book report in front of your classmates. Loosen up and talk about it, don’t read to us. Vegeta was much weaker than Goku at his time of death, his ssj form would likely be weaker than Freeza at 100% or maybe even lower

vegeta lost to a below 1% frieza so no he would lose to frieza

Ssj vegeta would work freeza

The fact some of the fandom still believes to this day that Goku Black arc Vegito ~ Current Beerus is wild.

you gotta think, first time ssj gives you a higher boost due to rage, gokus full power was 3 million yes, but when he first went ssj he was completely tired out and had no energy left his pl at that point couldn’t have possibly been 3 mil so he had to have more than a 50 times increase and we can apply that yo vegeta also, i think he destroys frieza easily

Vegeta wouldn't let freiza get to full power.

I feel like vegeta would win even if freezer reaches his 100% since the difference isnt that high and in that state freezer's power keeps decreasing because he isnt used to that form. Goku's fight against freezer lasted less than 5 minutes and before that freezer was already exhausted. I doubt vegeta cant last at least 2 minutes against freezer even if he is more powerfull.

All super Saiyans we've seen had similar power levels. You need to reach a certain base power level to be a super Saiyan. Vegeta would never turn super Saiyan on namek because he was simply too weak

I refuse to believe Jiren > Zamasu in any capacity. Shin has no real basis on being able to say Jiren is stronger than Zamasu as both him and Gowasu blatantly state Zamasu's power was beyond their ability to sense. That means he blatantly can't tell how strong Zamasu was. As for Vegeta's statement in episode 122, not only does Vegeta later clarify in Superhero that Jiren's Ki Control makes the actual power gap look bigger than it is, there's no reason to believe he wasn't just taking about the fighters at the ToP. Meanwhile you can just scale Jiren off of Kefla, and her off Goku/Frieza, and find that at best he should be 100-200x stronger than her despite Kefla's fusees being weaker than Zamasu arc Vegito's.

This is how God ki works . Goku black is able tank ssjb Vegeta attacks then kicks Vegeta back however in rose form both Goku and Vegeta can fight on par with him It's not retcon y'all don't know how it works

OK, first off Goku had a better agent of buu than his son ultimate Gohan became a colossal failure ultimate power becomes a wasted and becomes useless and didn’t help gohan that made the fans wish that Gohan was a teenager again

You didn’t focus on the entire saga in the entire ark. You only focused on halfway of it. What about the the event of the cell games if we had to choose, Goku would still win because he put up more a fight against cell Vegeta did well Vegeta was shattered and plus, and when he reached full power cell cell instantly punches Vegeta aside, so basically Goku was more powerful than Vegeta Vegeta he got his spine shattered but still, you only focused on Goku and Vegeta from the time before they went to the the time chamber to train the only concentrated on them half of the arc not the rest of the ark only focus on them when it comes to the cell games, Goku has the edge

You are wrong, goku fought frieza with a way higher power level than 3 million as he had the kaio Ken. Which is why frieza decided to use half of his power during their initial battle

Had Toriyama chose him to transform, Vegeta would have won because narrative is more important than silly numbers and the multiplier in subsequent magazines would have been 70x or smh like that

Nah he gets clapped

Vegeta was around 2 and a half million, as a super saiyan he outclasses full power frieza by a small margin

Base Vegeta atp was 2,500,000 Ssj Vegeta would be at 125,000,000 eclipsing final form Frieza.

If Goku and Vegeta fused into Vegito or Gogeta DURING the Tournament of Power, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that it wouldn't go too well for Jiren.

Every ss beats Freiza, every SS2 beats Cell. Its that simple.

Both regular & ssj4 Gogeta was doing thing ultra instinct could do 😑 I don’t care how the damn power scale is in super ssj4 at one point was the pinnacle of strength this theory is so disrespectful

Cabba can not beat a any version of Gogeta this convo really makes me angry 😤 Gogeta is technically the first god of the series this is obviously be4 they fully understood what they wanted to do with SSG but the same ritual to create a god was done in GT with UUB in place of vadel so that’s only 5 sayins Goku,Gohan,,Goten,trunks,Pan but when him and vegeta fused that was the 5th sayin as u know 5 sayins have to pour their power into one thus he was born with red hair at least that’s the theory

This is the most wrong video I've ever seen on the internet

More like “Think Cabba! Think!” Lmao Cabba gets smoked

His hatred of freiza would drivebhim to go for an instant kill the only thing for debate is how badly does vegeta mutilate the corpes

I hate this discussion so much. Powerscalers have absolutely Zero self awareness or media literacy.