Honda CB650R VS Yamaha MT07 - Which is Best? (I Owned Both!)
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Yammie, I have a 2016 Zero SR modded with a racing motor and supercharging and live in college station TX (from Austin though). Love to let you take it for a ride and record a video about it.
Yam the Man, I'd love to see your impressions on riding a Yamaha FZ6R and the Honda CB650F. Maybe a best used starter bikes. Occasionally I find a FZ6R or CB650F in my price range, but I am also looking at your highly suggested SV650.
What bike would you say is as comfortable for a 6'3 old guy as the XSR700 but as good in the twisties as SV650X?
I have the MT 07. If you sit up against the fuel tank and keep it reved high, your balls will get a nice tickle.
That's... oddly good info. Thanks, I guess.
@@schana96 hahahah that's the best reply to this funny comment 😂
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The Honda has traction control, that's a treat for beginner riders. The MT07 can get tricky sometimes
Honda cost more but it also have slipper clutch, traction control, all led light, 4 cylinder and looks more premium. They succeed to take my money haha. Got a CBR650R, i like the fireblade look. Some will say that i could have bought a bigger engine bike for the price but it is my first bike and its enough power for now and i think i dont really need more for the street.
Wich fireblade i have 2009 one
No traction control bro
No traction for cb650
Riding mods = TC
The reality that most will not admit is unless you are a complete hooligan or are doing high skill level track days, a modern 600 class 4cyl is more than enough. As a person that was around when the CB750 was considered a "superbike" at 69HP, I laugh when I hear people call these "beginner bikes."
Yammie, i thought the same of the z650 until I rode it. Give it a try it may surprise you, very nimble and light and torquey.
Rode a Vulcan S (with Kawasaki 650 twin engine) and it felt very slow to me. Great for a beginner but it doesn't sound good, it will never surprise you with much power and it is easy to ride.
@@gepixelt7712 the vulcan s is 490lbs wet, the z650 is only 410, it probably feels much better on a z650. I came off a cbr600rr to the z650 and while it's no rocket, it definitely is no slouch either. I rode it back to back with a sv650 and preferred the z650 over it -- felt more light and power about same. But yes sound-wise I agree the parallel twins all (except the mt07) sound like sawing machines, even with a decent exhaust. There are very few exhausts on the z650 that actually sound good.
@@planetwally can you tell me those very few exhaust that sound good? I'm looking to slap one on my Z650 too
Driven the new Z650 and the vibration is ridiculous lol
@@jeremycubs8331 I did my exam license on one, can agree. At midrange it didn't vibrate that much, but at low and high rpm it was quite annoying. My 80's Honda vibrates less lmao
4:43 This is the exact mentality I love in riders. I am glad that there are a lot of riders who admire the sharp futuristic, agressive design and build like the mt07 so more of the refined and classic looking bikes like the CB650R stay on the market and I dont have to race with the speedy bois and the wheely fanatics when I am fishing for my "new" bike.
If you were referencing my video, I've owned both young man! :D
Which one you prefer?
I prefer CP2 engine on the MT 07, but the stock brakes, suspensions, tires are much better on the CB 650 R
guess I will wait until next generation of MT 07 come out before deciding if I want to switch (in 4-5 years)
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This bike becomes alive from 5000rpm. It is why anyone, who is an absolute newbie can ride this. It was my first bike, riding it for more then a year I got used to the sound, cause until then going beyond 5000rpm seemed weird, allmost unnatural. Now it just gives me the shivers when it starts pulling like an animal from 5k+. And don't want to release the throttle not even around 11k...
Nice review Mr Noob btw, :-) keep it up.
Picked up my CB650R a few weeks ago and lovin it. Looked extensively at the MT07 which I also love but CB felt right for me
They are both great bikes. I prefer torque so my pick would be the MT07 but there's no denying the Honda is a higher quality bike with vastly superior fit & finish.
Luke Honda’s got more peak torque, it’s just a little higher in the redline lol.
I practiced and passed my test on an MT-07. The bike is great fun. The engine is the big draw for this bike, great torque, sounds amazing, not too intimidating for beginners. It's quite light too and felt it easy to flick about.
I bought the CB650R 4 days ago and I couldn't be more pleased. It is more comfortable, the quality of parts and finish is better than the MT-07 particularly the brakes and suspension, not to say the MT-07 is bad, it isn't, it's a lot of fun, but the Honda is a better overall bike. Love giving it the beans up to 12000 rpm, it is a hoot!
Still enjoying it? I’m debating between these two bikes. One is less expensive, the other is a better bike.
you have to like revving and engine up that high with those 4 cylinder midsize engine bikes.....if you just ride for fun, then its fine, but if you are commuting you are not getting up that high with the traffic alone thus lacking a bit of power....personally i like to shift more quickly, just doesn´t sound right revving up second gear to 10k....to each their own i guess
@@dinohuntr851 still loving the bike and not had any problems with it so far. Loads of fun on days out round the country roads. The only issue I can say that the Honda lacks in compared to the Yam is it's power usability. This is especially noticeable around traffic. When I need a blip of power I have to have it in high revs so around 8000rpm and it can be a bit tiresome flicking up and down the gears. With the Yam I could just be lazy and blip the throttle and get all that torque and power from about 4000 or 5000 rpm. Basically the power is more usable on the Yam. I do redlining the Honda on slip roads. Wakes me up in the morning.
Only people who say that either can’t afford a Honda or don’t have a Honda Justfying their own Yamaha cheap bike being better lol the Honda is way better
@No_Name the cb650 and cbr650 are geared differently, not sure why people keep getting these different bike mixed up or seem to think they are the same
Test rode both. The Yamaha's light, very easy to ride and get on with, plus it's fun.
The Honda feels like a higher quality, more substantial bike. It's also got more depth and subtlety as a riding experience, and when you wind it up, it really goes.
Yeah the Yam definitely feels cheaper but also super fun if you don't spend much time going over 90mph. If you're riding faster often then the Honda is the betetr bike imo.
@No_Name Nothing in it. Shorter riders would generally be a bit better with the Kawasaki Z650 or Honda CB500F.
@No_Name Yes, lower seat plus it's narrow near the tank. Probably the best naked middleweight for shorter riders.
If the 2 bikes were people the MT-07 would be a lairy, party loving, prankster in their early 20's .... the CB would be a suited, suave, sensible gent in his early 30's ....
I have family that's from 40-senior citizen age, they still love to do youth stuff all the time. In a way, I wonder am I old or are they just that young.😂😂😂
That is one damn good example
It's a bit confusing for me as I'm not a suited, suave, sensible gent, and I seem to prefer the CB650R. Maybe I'm maturing, finally? 🤔😅
Good analogy
I love how you guys in North America stop at every single intersection. Everytime. I mean, at 14:50 there was literaly not a single soul and still... he stopped. We need to learn that in Buenos Aires ;)
We need to learn that too here in philippines. A lot of drivers and riders just go and not stop at all in light traffic or no traffic.
We need to lear that here in india too ! Here we buy superbikes and it gets wasted coz at every corner there are gravels and u cannot corner good ! People ride so carelessly and if they ram into you they wont get so much repair cost but we have to spend a fortune to get it repaired !
> literaly not a single soul
As far as I'm aware, we are just used to cops hiding everywhere. Genuinely wouldn't have been surprised if there were a cop hiding behind one of the trees off to the left just waiting for someone to run that stop sign. Rural municipal governments gotta make their money too.
here in the Philippines the traffic lights mean: green - Go, orange - Go faster, red - Go when other vehicles are still far
@@angkasnathis5629 haHaHa
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Appreciate the comparison. Starting to really look into these bikes as well as the Honda CB650F and Yamaha XSR700. Planning on moving up to a bigger bike within the next year and trying to decide between these 4 bikes, I think. I really prefer the looks/styling of the CB650R and CSR700 over the others so far. I have found a brand new (non-ABS model) 2019 CB650R for just under $7,500 at a Dealer near me, which is the bike I’m leaning towards honestly.
J.G. Hyde personally i think abs is a must, u never know when ur just going to hog the brakes wouldnt like the wheels getting locked up
I rode the CBR650R for my driving lessons and got an MT-07 after I finished my license.
The Honda 4 cylinder is a much smoother ride and doesn't feel as "shaky", but the MT's power output at low RPM is incredible.
Do you think the shorter wheelbase and lighter weight make the MT more usable in the city?
@@KrypteiaXi i think overall the MT is more useable in the city, but that's more of an engine thing than weight and wheelbase. They're both very agile bikes, but the MT definitely has the advantage at the stop light and at night because it performs better at lower RPM
@@7even255 i have the CBR 650R and I wouldn’t call it an agile bike.
Honda has slipper clutch while mt07 doesn't. That's what swayed me
I have Kawasaki’s Z650, and I absolutely love it! Much more comfortable than the other sport bikes I sat on (cb500r, mto7, sv650)
agree - i went from a cbr600rr to a z650 and the comfort is like night and day.
One thing that may sway people towards the CB650 is the better options and if insurance would be an issue for higher displacement machines. Here in Ontario Canada we get screwed on insurance prices, so a good quality smaller machine might be more desirable.
Binging a ton of motorcycle videos now that I'm one year away from being able to get a full European A permit, and the cb650r is by far the bike I've been eying the most! I just absolutely love the look and sound! Definitely won't get it as a first bike as it starts at almost 15k usd in Norway (8-10k for a few years old used), but in a few years, I'd love to get one!
First video I watched of his for a little while, due to its actually him..
7:00 Hey I''m 30 and i still love the wheelie machine that is the MT-07. ;)
Granny pubes, your videos have inspired me to get back on a bike after 10 years!
Cb650R is my favorite hands down...😎wish I had it!!!!😊🤗one day!!!!
that's like my next big dilemma. My first one was Cb125r vs Mt125, next will be the grown up version :)
Hahahaha same thing. I went with the cb125r.
I was just ran over and my 2018 ninja 650 was totaled.
I would love that 650R.
I’m fine, just had a small fracture luckily.
I really just miss my motorcycle.
I really like the naked look on the CB 650 R. It looks raw and i freaking love it.
I was stuck between these two, corrosion issues with the mt-07 and a massive dealer discount making a new cb650r only a few hundred more than a used mt07 was what swayed me.
i already heard about corrosion on mt-07... here almost no discount on cb650r and most of mid displacement bikes...
Just wanted to let you know Yammie that today on Black Friday I picked up my first motorcycle and I’m excited to use it! Thank you for your channel and all the help it has/is going to give me
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I'm looking at the CB-1000R. it seems like a pretty well sorted all around do everything daily driver. And it being my main transportation reliability is a huge deal for me so with Honda being king of reliability it just seems like the obvious option.
@No_Name it only has 145 hp.... it's a 200hp engine detuneed to 145hp... it's actually an amazing daily just look up some reviews on it. 👍🏼... it's nothing like other liter bikes.
@No_Name not everyone lives in a city
@No_Name I agree with that, I think your bikes perfect size for someone that does 90% motorway riding
@No_Name I ride track so I’m pretty sure it will be fast. Not everyone poodles around in the city commuting some people actually use their bikes for what they are made for
it's a fact George some of need bikes that handle urban riding better and safer. @@georgeyboy8186
I’ve cruised on both the CB650R and the MT-07. I liked the Honda better, so hopefully I won’t regret ordering a brand new Yamaha XSR 700.
bro the xsr is an mt07 with different looks🤣
Love the video, I do want to say even though the cb and the mt07 are closer bikes the fz09 is literally $100 more than the cb. For anyone other than the first time rider the fz09 is really the best bang for buck. Regardless love the channel and recent videos!
You're probably right. The Honda imo is still better build quality than the MT09 though. The other issue is the MT09 is just way too much power for a new rider as you mentioned.
i had an xsr900 as a new rider. for me it was fine as a beginner bike
Love my 2020 cb650. Just picked one up last month on marketplace for 6,500 bucks. 200 miles. I Stole that bike.
Man congrats! Where about you find that price? I'm looking for one.
I'd ditch my MT07 in a second for that sexy CB650R but in Australia the CB650R only comes in completely lame ass 35kw restricted form. The whole point of a 4-cyl is the better top end power, so there's absolutely no point in building a high rpm ripper of a motor and then completely chopping off the top end. We have restricted MT07's too, but they retain the massive torque of the full power version.
Do you think in Australia the MT07 is the best LAMS bike then?
Apart from all the traction control stuff cb is a gorgeous bike.
Agreed. Definitely nicer bike than the Yam. The MT07 is heaps of fun though.
Lol...FZ07 for 22 year olds? I bought mine in the summer of 2018, it's a 2017 so I picked it up brand new with less than 1 mile for $6000. I was 57 years old in the summer of 2018 HAHA! M4 exhaust and a bunch of other goodies on her (Kandi is her name, You know sweet like candy but sexy like a stripper) and I absolutely love her. So easy to ride and you bet she's a Dank Wheelie Machine!
The gsxs 750 is looking really good right now
Thanks for the video. I'm considering to buy one of these bikes in the nexts months as my second bike
cb650r is the more complete bike, but clearly by what he i saying it depends on what you intend on doing with the bike
I love how you describe the two lol like your uncle in flip flops whilst the other one is like your uncle who's a doctor 😂
As an MT-07 owner I completely agree, been on my mates CB650F which isn't too far off the CB650R and that pretty much feels the same way you describe the CB650R minus the slight differences between the two.
Reevy Other than the front light, what are the differences between the r and f? I’ve been wondering this.
@@thatstheguy07 Quoted from Google
"The CB650R replaces the competent but dowdy-looking CB650F. The riding position is more aggressive than the CB650F. The handlebar is moved 0.5 inch forward and 0.3 inch down, with footpeg position moved rearward 0.3 inch back and 0.2 inch higher. Seat height is the same at 31.9 inches."
So basically a more sporty and updated version I guess.
Reevy cool thanks.
I had the same doubt and opted for the 2019 mt07/fz07. Here is why I took this decision: I had to decrease te power due to my license and being a 2 cilinders engine I still have most of the torque. Once I will upgrade the license, I can bring it back to full power, It will still be a good motorcycle, 75 hp are enough to have fun. In my country this motorcycle is one of the most sold, so when I'll decide to sell it the market is good and the prices won't lower too much. I suggest it to every beginner, super fun, very handly, nice look, and gives a lot of satisfaction.
Yo if you don't mind me asking, how is the power limited on the bike (mechanically, electrically)? Is it an easy procedure to switch things from one state to another?
@@WobboidMump Hi, it's limited electrically, it's easy to switch to full power, you can do it yourself if you know how, but I would recommend going to the dealer, in my country it costs about €300
@@raoul8629 Oh ok, thanks for the info!
The 18 and up mt07 has rebound damping on the rear and are a little stiffer front and rear. You should take one for a ride. Mt07 ftw.
I've demod the current MT-07, still too soft up front for hard cornering, great motor though.
Great review! For the price the street triple is the better buy. I am looking to upgrade from my first bike a Ninja 400.
12:15 There is no CB500R. It's the only CB that Honda hasn't refreshed to neo sports cafe. But that's a bike that should definitely exist.
I know! I like the small bikes. The 300 looks great and the 500 could be perfect.
There's a cb500f cb500x. Guess it depends on region.. but the x is everywhere as far as I know.
Thanks your videos are the best 👌 I'm thinking of getting that mt07
A bit disadvantage for the MT-07 since you owned the first version not the 2nd version (2018-current), a couple of technical and aesthetics improvements were made...
I'll stick with my FZ-07 because I am loving it but have to reckon that if I didn't already have a bike that I love, he CB650R would probably be my first choice.
Man, i wish i could get a used fz07 for $5100 right now. Cant find them for any less than high $7k/low $8k, no matter the year model. Even the mt03 used goes for almost $6k on average
Poor fueling and jerky throttles are ruining so many of our new motorcycles these days.
7:00 thats literally me 22 and all I want to do is learn dank wheelies !!
Interesting that the CB comes with Michelin tires, here in Europe, they ship it with Metzeler Roadtec 01, which really suit the bike well.
Tires are rarely universal across markets or even production lots. On the same model year MT-07s I've seen everything from random trash Dunlops, to Michelin PR3s, to Bridgestone S22s. Kawasaki is usually the most consistent, but that doesn't mean they will spec great tires. All the Kawi 650s come with the same Dunlop D222s which are trash. The Versys 1000 always comes with Bridgestone T31s which are a decent sport touring tire, though maybe not quite to the level of a Road 5 or Angel GT.
gonna pick up my CB650R tomorrow :)
Enjoy it. They are both awesome bikes imo
How is it after 2 years?
@@jazu40 Sold it after one year. It's a great bike, but the throttle was annoying and to make the exhaust louder you have to get a full system.
@@niklas1723 what you ride now?
@@jazu40 S1000RR
Great video yam
Im in the market for a bike. I adore the style of the CB650R. I have always wanted an inline 4 bike and Honda is synonymous with reliable and durable. Yamaha just does it different. Honestly probably going for an MT 07 because they sound nasty with a full system and that torque will do it. I'm not good enough of a rider to tell the suspension difference really but i have spoke to a few people about making it more balanced. Thanks for your impressions internet man.
suspension is everything ... keeps the rubber to the road
I was so sold on the MT07 until I saw this bike and now I really want this one instead. I’m 30, brand new rider, responsible, don’t need or desire to do wheelies and want good suspension.
Same here…I’m getting the 2024 e-clutch CB650r. Going to be a blast!
The video title we've been dyinggg to see! 😂😂
I have a nostalgic feeling for the cb650. It was the first motorcycle I had ever ridden. My buddy would let me take her out once in a while and she was a blast. I like the modern version and will be looking fur a nice used one.
Thought I wanted a cruiser..... Still do.... But now I've seen the MT-07.... I must have this bike.
The Honda in line four, unbeatable
There’s a reason the MT 07 is the benchmark & the others are tying to get there .. about 5 years too late.
This is a pretty darn good video guys, if after making all those videos if he has time to make videos where he can talk to us about bikes at almost a personal level. Why are the views so low?
Getting ready to buy my first bike, new rider. I love both of em. Been looking at both.
Depends if you want Wheelie / torquey fun bike or a high revving refined bike. The Honda is definitely better build quality and a nicer engine but the MT07 is arguably more fun depending how you ride. MT07 is way better for town riding too imo. Honda is better for countryside and long straight roads.
WE NEED MORE VIDS LIKE THISS!!
I like how you compare it to a person, I understand that analogy better
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Nice comparo!
Yeah..I agree Honda looks better and the quality is one level up...
Shoulda done one o those Max Wrist type slow mo's for that snake pass. Lol.
Great Yamaha, but that Inline 4 is gonna put that Parallel Twin in it's place on any given Saturday morning....
Only when it's screaming though .... the MT has a touch more torque, a significant -20kg weight advantage and gets to 70mph a little quicker than the CB ... but yeah the CB has far better top end - and suspension - and is a nicer, higher quality machine all around 😉
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oH i wOnDEr WHy oH pRoBAblY cUz iTs A pARallEl twINe aNd iTs MAdE *to have more torque down low* and bruh the whole MT series is focused on torque not top speed
Can you please make a video between Honda CB650R vs KTM 790 Duke? I never seen someone made that one. And also I am in dilemma between those bikes. 😂
Awesome video by the way. 👍🏻
Quality of build; long term value = Honda CB650R
I have the CB300R, I rode it a month to know I want the CB650R. Now I cannot find one to buy within the 3 states around me. Honda allocation sucks..
after going to a dealership and sitting on the big four middleweight bikes i have to say the mt07 is my favorite followed by the sv650 then the z650 and i am not counting the cb650 because i cannot afford it lol
You weren't kidding, that new Street Triple is nothing to fuck with.
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13:14 My Mt-07 also attracts street duty, especially on a ride after the neighbor dog has been walked.
Thanks. Good info
damn!! your voice 💥💯
The Honda is a pretty bike, but the fz has the sound and powerband I'm after.
CB650R Needs traditional clocks!
I am almost 20 and prob will get a scooter for college. afterwards I wanna start out in a few yrs on an mt07. mt10 by the time I am 30 4 sure
Could you do a comparison between honda cb650r vs Yamaha xsr700 ? Thanks
Amandeep singh same bike as mt07 just a different look better looking I think. I’ve done my homework and buying the Honda because.....Honda
I've ridden MT07 SV650 and Z650, Z650 most fun of the three. something about the chassis so fun to toss around despite being slightly heavier than the MT feels lighter. Total shit stock exhaust though, but who keeps their exhaust stock with this hooligan segment? Then the 2020 Version update will definitely make it the best of the three if the price stays the same, which on average is like $400 cheaper. You should really get your hands on one to see for yourself.
Just Bought a used 2020 z650 with 52 miles on it. $5k. I'm stoked. What exhaust should i get?
2 years ago i sold my mt07 and regret it. But now i look for this cb650r looks awesome and also have 4 cylindre
How can you be Papa Yam and not know that the Kawasaki Z650 exists until a couple weeks ago? Dude?!?
What bike are you actually recording this video with? Owned a 07 and loved it. But as for building quality & sound... Well honda does it.
The CB650R
Would have loved to hear a 3-way comparison between the CB650, the MT07 and the SV650. Curious to hear where the SV fits into the landscape. I assume it'd be the middle ground between the two?
The SV650 and the MT07 are much more similar bikes than the CB. They are both torquey wheelie bieks wheras the CB is more of a revving screamer with a more refined engine. The Kawasaki Z650 is actually somewhere in the middle imo but I like it less than the other 3.
Honda REALLY needs a parallel twin 650.
Be honest Yammie, do you dislike Yamaha? I have yet to see a video where your comparisons/reviews favor them. 😔
IMO a better compassion would have been the MT09.
Damn im 37 and I want a MT09
I'm 72 and I may be the oldest fz07 owner.
The CB500R is an A2 bike that brings out the most of the limits being at the peak allowed power and as much torque as possible, the ninja 400 is lower 40s so it's not really maxing out the A2 possibilities
Was literally talking to my dad about this yesterday
MT07 has better engine and we can, and need, to rework the suspension
Hell yeah!
@No_Name How does having more cylinders mean it’s a better engine???
I don’t like the 650 because the bike is too big for Bangkok Cities. The mt is a better choice for me.
@@vincentstohr2216 how is that small difference in size going to make any difference for you?
@@KrypteiaXi What size do you mean? Cylinder capacity or the General Engine size. If you mean the Engine size then that’s a big difference. The 650 is bigger than the mt07 and you can really feel it in heavy traffic jams or if you are lane splitting in tight areas. You can feel the difference during rush hours in Bangkok. I would even step down to a ktm390 here in Thailand. They handle traffic way better than those high cc bikes. Some cities are so crowded that even folding your mirrors in could make a big difference. The mt07 is also lighter than a 650 thus increasing agility in crowded cities.
Tbh a ktm390 is enough. What’s the point of having that much cc if you can’t even legally ride over 120kph😂
@@vincentstohr2216 have you ridden both the cbr and the MT in Thailand and its your experience or are you assuming its going to be this way?
The Honda is a great bike, the problem here in Colombia is that You can find cheaper new bikes than the Honda, like the GSX 750, MT 09 or the Z900.
Why do u want a Honda if u can have a Mt09? What in the world???
Fz07 sounds meaner dont @me
Agreed. I still miss that FZ07 we had with the full Leo on it. Sounded so good
@Leo Alm Wärn Get the cheapest heap on craigslist. You aren't going to keep it. Spend the money you save on quality gear which depending on what piece of gear it is will last you 5 to 10 years. The gear will go with you to your A2 bike or whatever comes next (just my opinion as an 'merican ;)
Which will sound better with a good system. 🤔
Stock sound doesnt mean shit. Get a cb650r (or better 650f) with a daivo or firetorch exhaust from Thailand and you will never look back.
LaraC9 What are the differences between the r and f? Aside from the headlight.