Mac Jones is horrible...move on...Greg Bedard is all over the place. Mac Jones was broken in the tale end of his rookie year. Mac Jones as lost the trust of his team mates. On a side note take a look at the Chargers with a #1 Qb.
People don’t get, that the qb need to be the alpha on a team, and Mac is far from an alpha. Mac needs to be led - a QB is supposed to LEAD & make others better.
I am not a Mac fan, but he is not horrible, just average. For his sake, get him out of here. He would be better in Chicago than what they have. He will be a dink and dunk qb, but you can win 8-11 games with that if your o line is ok and a couple decent receivers are involved.
Setting up a 60 yard drive only to have Mac throw a pick in the opponents 30 yard line. How many games this year has our defense had to see Mac throw interceptions that burry the team before there is even a chance.
That's actually not true. Brady was obviously great, but the team was a LOT more than him, especially the 1st 3 chips. Bill built amazing teams with tough players who didn't stand for nonsense in the locker room. The problem is this team has no guys like that...very few leaders, especially now that Mccourty is gone. The reality is Kraft has been bottom 5 in the league in spending since he cheaped out on Brady and that's the problem. Kraft isn't trying for chips anymore, he views it as a money making business only now, and it's as simple as money in, but as little out as possible. He wouldn't even give Brady a contract ffs
Bill failed the team for at minimum 10 years with flopped draft picks. Even further back, 2011 had the worst corners. 2006 had no weapons. I mean in 2013 Bill drafted Dominque Easily with two torn ACLs. Yes it isn't just one guy but we've seen for a few seasons now how much Brady really covered up. It's rediculous how much we suck without him.
@@AJ........Hey lifetime casual and idiot Tom Brady absolutely carried The Patriots to their Super Bowl win in 2003 over Carolina ( Care for detailed specifics?) Belichicks defense was beyond horrific in that game. In Brady's 2n season he led the entire NFL in YTD's passing .. Over those first 3 seasons the Pats offense ranked on average of 4th you mentally challenged Care for detailed specifics? I'm waiting for you...
@moheganson that is nothing more than revisionist history with a huge recency bias. No one is denying how great Tom Brady was but for people to deny that Bill Belichick was ever a great head coach is just nonsense. He’s the greatest head coach of all time, even if these past few years do not live up to his preceding resumé.
Why do they think Mac is entitled to this franchise role like Badard thinks? A guy year 2 isn't entitled to anything bro, not in this league. Coaches seen too many 1st rd busts to jand anyone anything without earning it
People don’t get, that the qb need to be the alpha on a team, & Mac is far from an alpha. Mac needs to be led - a QB is supposed to LEAD & make others better. Mac makes everyone else miserable.
@@tylers9476 yup, and their whole team, believes in them. Can’t have your team believing in you, wanting to work beside you, when you continually turn the ball over, and score for the other team…they don’t do that.
Moved point Caleb Williams has stated he’s NOT coming out this year! He makes MORE money in NIL vs his rookie year, he wants to win MULTIPLE Heismans, and GRADUATE!
You can draft the best quarterback in the history of football an if you don't have anyone worth a damn around them the quarterback is just going to look like a failure just like Mac is being labeled when he isn't the problem!!! The problem is BILL BELICHICK THE MANAGER!! HE HOLDS GRUDGES AGAINST PLAYERS AN JUST BENCHES THEM TO PROVE A POINT AN ALL ITS DOING IS HURTING THE TEAM CONSTANTLY!!! EVEN BRADY WOULDN'T BE TAKING THIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS !!
No, not many qbs would look this bad in this situation. The problem is Mac has no mental fortitude whatsoever. He'd need an all star team and a top OC in his earpiece constantly to look ok
And you do know what a head coach does right? He runs the team and sets the rules. If the coach doesn't have that power it doesn't work. Mac just can't handle doing what the coach says cuz he a spoiled country club brat
If your a fan of the team I don’t understand the personal attacks. The guy help you win 6 super bowls. Show some respect. Of course it’s over but show some respect.
I'm not so sure drafting a QB is the right answer. For years, dating back to Brady, the problems on this offense have been protection and talent at the skill positions. You draft a new QB whose running for his life on every down with nowhere to go with the ball, how different is he going to look from Mac? I wonder if it would be better to focus on the O-line to protect the QB and make use of the RBs we have.
That’s not a bad idea, but I just don’t think belichick can lead them into the next chapter with what they have or adding more pieces. I think addressing those issues is a great idea, but I think they need someone with a completely different football philosophy.
Dont think it's an unfair argument to say you don't have faith in Bill but the farther we get removed these Mac seasons the more sane this era is going to look. Mac has been at odds with the coaches and the direction of the team since preseason 2022 which has not helped Bill's ability to build the team correctly. I think a lot of fans would be surprised if you get a QB who buys in completely and backs it up on the field. That said that QB might not be in the draft, I agree with Ben. @@georgen5882
No time to get rid of Mac Jones, Baird I was a defender big time going into the season, but I am not anymore. There were so many plays where he had time and he still messed up. We need to draft a top five quarterback and rebuild with that position and definitely the line. Robert Kraft needs to open up his wallet this off-season just like the Celtics did and just like the Red Sox are about to do.
Look like Bill is not doing his job or he is overwhelmed by the work and understaffed t to do it . Why not relinquish the GM duties if you are not capable ? You preached doing what’s best for the T-E-A-M with no “I” , well , DO that !!!!
Bill would fire himself after the Dallas game. He’s still holding a grudge benching against that youngster Boutte from a week 1 drop WTF did Malcom Butler do? Jeez this guy is vindictive egomaniac
GB, you just saig bring in Mayo and let him construct coaching staff and front office/GM!! Same shit, different day! Separate talent selection from HC. Learn from the BB fiasco.
I don't trust Mayo making personnel decisions either..Guy has never been a head coach anywhere,so what has he done to deserve that kind of power?.....Matt Groh fights with Belichick constantly,,by listening to what Groh says about player evaluation,I'd have him all day over Mayo....Don't forget,,Bill has the final word with all personnel decisions,and is the one killing his team...The guys Bill takes have literally the opposite pedigree of what Groh says he wasnts when it comes to skill players..Definitely against Groh's will....
Exactly. And Kraft needs to butt out this time and let Bill and the GM pick the guy they can win with. Just get this team healthy with a tough qb who's a good leader, and maybe sign a decent tackle and they can make the playoffs
These guys are acting like jones got benched for nothing! He suuuuuuucked!!!! That’s why he was benched. Nobody ruined jones. He’s just not that good period. He’s that soft that he’s broken forever because he got benched in a game!??? Please! How pathetic! The dude threw 2 picks in like 4 minutes. The guy had double the ints then touchdowns when he was benched last year. I don’t understand the jones cult from the Boston media. It’s weird. You guys would never have given Newton this much of a leash! Pathetic.
I feel bad but it’s over. Bill deserves to ride it out till the end of the year and leave. I don’t understand the hate. The guy won 6 super bowls and went to 9. I feel appreciative. It’s over and it sucks.
Between recent draft picks and our latest free agent bonanza I think it is incredibly clear Bill should not be in charge of personnel. Period, full stop. This is certainly separate from him being one of if not the greatest coach of all time, and it would be great to see him break Shula's record on the patriots sidelines. But we cannot go on like this. I don't think the game has past Bill by but personnel management certainly has. Bill used to say you draft the player you want it doesn't matter what round. That may have worked before but his luck has run out. Examples include Cole Strange and Kyle Dugger , who are guys who could have been drafted 1-3 rounds later than where they drafted. Imagine having a different first round pick instead of strange and still getting him or basically another first round pick instead of Dugger getting him (we didnt even have a first round pick in 2020). Regardless of what we think of those guys, we could have them and then other surrounding players. Until someone gets it right we have to mention Nkeal Harry and how atrocious of a pick that was. You cannot miss like that. The offense CLEARLY needed improvement from last year, and our first offensive player taken in the draft was a center followed by a kicker in round FOUR. That is inexcusable. Free agency wise we hit on a few guys but have completely missed on others. Our WR room is in shambles, our OL room is JV. When you cant address those in the draft or hit on free agency it only compounds your problems more. Ill also note we should be paying guys that work for us. We have the money. The boomerang effect has always worked well for the Pats, but Imagine if we didnt let JC Jackson go. I'm glad he is back but had we just paid the man he would have been in our system full time the last two years, gotten better, and then we wouldn't need to burn a first rounder on Gonzales. This has nothing to do with Gonzales as a player, he looked promising, but we could have addressed other needs. Bottom line - we need a true GM to wheel and deal and not free ball it in the draft. If Bill cant agree to that I think you have to mutually part. The patriots compete for super bowls and now we are last in the AFC east for quite some time. Look at the last 3 years of the Eagles picks. They went from bottom of the barrel in their division to hitting every single year on picks and free agency and they were a few plays away from winning a super bowl last year. That could be us if we do this right
@@sweatingbullets855 I don't think anyone would argue that for years they were a disaster and a joke of a franchise, but Campbell seems to be the one that has brought them out of that. There just seems to be more buy in, maybe they have gotten lucky a little. But that team right now is winning, confident, and knows what they are capable of. I am not going to pencil them in for the playoffs or even to make a run, but they might be a dark horse as the weeks go on and the season winds down. They have the ability to break another team's heart.
While it would suck to see the entire team quit (they basically already have) because we can really go 2 ways from here. There are teams who constantly find themselves drafting in the top 5-10 range every other year. Then there are teams who take advantage of being in a rare spot of drafting top 5 and capitalize on a special player. I really hope we can just keep losing, if they can be competitive that would be cool but not necessary. This team has 0 offensive talent and sadly I don't trust this GM to find elite talent later in the draft.
Mac Jones is horrible...move on...Greg Bedard is all over the place. Mac Jones was broken in the tale end of his rookie year. Mac Jones as lost the trust of his team mates. On a side note take a look at the Chargers with a #1 Qb.
And an actual unit of an offense
Mac beat Herbert in his rookie year working with half the talent that Hebert had,and was better in the game...
Was that JC Jackson interception or the defense won that game...can't remember fully@@atgn70
People don’t get, that the qb need to be the alpha on a team, and Mac is far from an alpha. Mac needs to be led - a QB is supposed to LEAD & make others better.
I am not a Mac fan, but he is not horrible, just average. For his sake, get him out of here. He would be better in Chicago than what they have. He will be a dink and dunk qb, but you can win 8-11 games with that if your o line is ok and a couple decent receivers are involved.
Out of Mac Island, He’s not the one.
Setting up a 60 yard drive only to have Mac throw a pick in the opponents 30 yard line. How many games this year has our defense had to see Mac throw interceptions that burry the team before there is even a chance.
Brady seriously carried this franchise for 18 seasons. It’s unreal how ugly of an outfit they are with just Bill
That's actually not true. Brady was obviously great, but the team was a LOT more than him, especially the 1st 3 chips. Bill built amazing teams with tough players who didn't stand for nonsense in the locker room. The problem is this team has no guys like that...very few leaders, especially now that Mccourty is gone. The reality is Kraft has been bottom 5 in the league in spending since he cheaped out on Brady and that's the problem. Kraft isn't trying for chips anymore, he views it as a money making business only now, and it's as simple as money in, but as little out as possible. He wouldn't even give Brady a contract ffs
Bill failed the team for at minimum 10 years with flopped draft picks. Even further back, 2011 had the worst corners. 2006 had no weapons. I mean in 2013 Bill drafted Dominque Easily with two torn ACLs.
Yes it isn't just one guy but we've seen for a few seasons now how much Brady really covered up. It's rediculous how much we suck without him.
@@AJ........Hey lifetime casual and idiot Tom Brady absolutely carried The Patriots to their Super Bowl win in 2003 over Carolina ( Care for detailed specifics?) Belichicks defense was beyond horrific in that game.
In Brady's 2n season he led the entire NFL in YTD's passing .. Over those first 3 seasons the Pats offense ranked on average of 4th you mentally challenged
Care for detailed specifics? I'm waiting for you...
@@AJ........ *WAITS* To Eviscerate
@moheganson that is nothing more than revisionist history with a huge recency bias. No one is denying how great Tom Brady was but for people to deny that Bill Belichick was ever a great head coach is just nonsense. He’s the greatest head coach of all time, even if these past few years do not live up to his preceding resumé.
Why do they think Mac is entitled to this franchise role like Badard thinks? A guy year 2 isn't entitled to anything bro, not in this league. Coaches seen too many 1st rd busts to jand anyone anything without earning it
Badard is the final boss of Mac apologists.
People don’t get, that the qb need to be the alpha on a team, & Mac is far from an alpha. Mac needs to be led - a QB is supposed to LEAD & make others better. Mac makes everyone else miserable.
😂😂😂😂 nonsense
Thank you...finally someone gets it. And they wonder why the team won't play for Mac
Alpha...the top 3 QBs right now are Tua, Purdy, and Goff....
@@LanceG007 sounds like you’re going through the 5 stages of grief…I passed that stage, all I can do, is feel for you
@@tylers9476 yup, and their whole team, believes in them. Can’t have your team believing in you, wanting to work beside you, when you continually turn the ball over, and score for the other team…they don’t do that.
Drafting Caleb Williams and still starting Mac patriots fans might go crazy lol
Let Caleb learn for a few years under baby 🐐.
Moved point Caleb Williams has stated he’s NOT coming out this year! He makes MORE money in NIL vs his rookie year, he wants to win MULTIPLE Heismans, and GRADUATE!
@@DMKFACTOR if he wants to win multiple heismans he’s going to have to play better than he did Saturday night.
@@pedrohippocaus8488 NOOOOO! Wow what’s your IQ simp? Equivalent to your age or how many times you played with tiny today?
@@DMKFACTORyour a Moron he’s not staying
You can draft the best quarterback in the history of football an if you don't have anyone worth a damn around them the quarterback is just going to look like a failure just like Mac is being labeled when he isn't the problem!!! The problem is BILL BELICHICK THE MANAGER!! HE HOLDS GRUDGES AGAINST PLAYERS AN JUST BENCHES THEM TO PROVE A POINT AN ALL ITS DOING IS HURTING THE TEAM CONSTANTLY!!! EVEN BRADY WOULDN'T BE TAKING THIS TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS !!
No, not many qbs would look this bad in this situation. The problem is Mac has no mental fortitude whatsoever. He'd need an all star team and a top OC in his earpiece constantly to look ok
And you do know what a head coach does right? He runs the team and sets the rules. If the coach doesn't have that power it doesn't work. Mac just can't handle doing what the coach says cuz he a spoiled country club brat
Bill's already got 2 failed relationships. Might as well have another. He's the common denominator...
If your a fan of the team I don’t understand the personal attacks. The guy help you win 6 super bowls. Show some respect. Of course it’s over but show some respect.
😂 nah fam. The elephant in the room, is that dyslexic qb named Mac Jones
@@alexevanoski4588 nah he created this mess, team hasnt been watchable since brady left
I'm not so sure drafting a QB is the right answer. For years, dating back to Brady, the problems on this offense have been protection and talent at the skill positions. You draft a new QB whose running for his life on every down with nowhere to go with the ball, how different is he going to look from Mac? I wonder if it would be better to focus on the O-line to protect the QB and make use of the RBs we have.
That’s not a bad idea, but I just don’t think belichick can lead them into the next chapter with what they have or adding more pieces. I think addressing those issues is a great idea, but I think they need someone with a completely different football philosophy.
@@georgen5882 100% agree.
Dont think it's an unfair argument to say you don't have faith in Bill but the farther we get removed these Mac seasons the more sane this era is going to look.
Mac has been at odds with the coaches and the direction of the team since preseason 2022 which has not helped Bill's ability to build the team correctly. I think a lot of fans would be surprised if you get a QB who buys in completely and backs it up on the field.
That said that QB might not be in the draft, I agree with Ben. @@georgen5882
No time to get rid of Mac Jones, Baird I was a defender big time going into the season, but I am not anymore. There were so many plays where he had time and he still messed up. We need to draft a top five quarterback and rebuild with that position and definitely the line. Robert Kraft needs to open up his wallet this off-season just like the Celtics did and just like the Red Sox are about to do.
Jones doesn't have the speed or accuracy to be a champion, time to move on.
Look like Bill is not doing his job or he is overwhelmed by the work and understaffed t to do it . Why not relinquish the GM duties if you are not capable ? You preached doing what’s best for the T-E-A-M with no “I” , well , DO that !!!!
Bill would fire himself after the Dallas game. He’s still holding a grudge benching against that youngster Boutte from a week 1 drop
WTF did Malcom Butler do?
Jeez this guy is vindictive egomaniac
GB, you just saig bring in Mayo and let him construct coaching staff and front office/GM!! Same shit, different day! Separate talent selection from HC. Learn from the BB fiasco.
I don't trust Mayo making personnel decisions either..Guy has never been a head coach anywhere,so what has he done to deserve that kind of power?.....Matt Groh fights with Belichick constantly,,by listening to what Groh says about player evaluation,I'd have him all day over Mayo....Don't forget,,Bill has the final word with all personnel decisions,and is the one killing his team...The guys Bill takes have literally the opposite pedigree of what Groh says he wasnts when it comes to skill players..Definitely against Groh's will....
So Mayo has learned all the outdated theories?
Giving him the keys would be a disaster. They need to bleach and steam the Bill stench out of there.
Mac Jones needs to go. Pats will draft a QB for sure in 2024. I hope we are getting Maye, Bo Nix, Shreuders, Caleb Williams.
Exactly. And Kraft needs to butt out this time and let Bill and the GM pick the guy they can win with. Just get this team healthy with a tough qb who's a good leader, and maybe sign a decent tackle and they can make the playoffs
Doesn't matter who is QB if we can't fix the line
Those qb will have grown pains too. None walk in take over except one and he retired and was here for 20 years
@@Darcey-t4sCJ Stroud?
Hire bedard as a scout. Can’t be any worse than Matt grohs incompetent but
the pats season is over and looks like they have given up
These guys are acting like jones got benched for nothing! He suuuuuuucked!!!! That’s why he was benched. Nobody ruined jones. He’s just not that good period. He’s that soft that he’s broken forever because he got benched in a game!??? Please! How pathetic! The dude threw 2 picks in like 4 minutes. The guy had double the ints then touchdowns when he was benched last year. I don’t understand the jones cult from the Boston media. It’s weird. You guys would never have given Newton this much of a leash! Pathetic.
Trade for Tyson bagent. Anyone who knows who his father is. Knows winning is in their blood, especially in their arms.💪
This is NFL Mac has not show up !
Imagine having Tom Brady as your quarterback, and wanting to get rid of him. That is Bill Belichick.
He needs to be gone by next year.
Imagine drafting only 2 All Pro players in the past 12 years and they are both punt returners
I feel bad but it’s over. Bill deserves to ride it out till the end of the year and leave. I don’t understand the hate. The guy won 6 super bowls and went to 9. I feel appreciative. It’s over and it sucks.
You summed it up well. Also, the hate is from the spoiled fans.
Brady*
Fire Belichik
Bill has his eye on the XFL.
As in the patriots look like an xfl team? Bc I think that is giving them to much credit
Chill
Between recent draft picks and our latest free agent bonanza I think it is incredibly clear Bill should not be in charge of personnel. Period, full stop. This is certainly separate from him being one of if not the greatest coach of all time, and it would be great to see him break Shula's record on the patriots sidelines. But we cannot go on like this.
I don't think the game has past Bill by but personnel management certainly has. Bill used to say you draft the player you want it doesn't matter what round. That may have worked before but his luck has run out. Examples include Cole Strange and Kyle Dugger , who are guys who could have been drafted 1-3 rounds later than where they drafted. Imagine having a different first round pick instead of strange and still getting him or basically another first round pick instead of Dugger getting him (we didnt even have a first round pick in 2020). Regardless of what we think of those guys, we could have them and then other surrounding players. Until someone gets it right we have to mention Nkeal Harry and how atrocious of a pick that was. You cannot miss like that. The offense CLEARLY needed improvement from last year, and our first offensive player taken in the draft was a center followed by a kicker in round FOUR. That is inexcusable.
Free agency wise we hit on a few guys but have completely missed on others. Our WR room is in shambles, our OL room is JV. When you cant address those in the draft or hit on free agency it only compounds your problems more. Ill also note we should be paying guys that work for us. We have the money. The boomerang effect has always worked well for the Pats, but Imagine if we didnt let JC Jackson go. I'm glad he is back but had we just paid the man he would have been in our system full time the last two years, gotten better, and then we wouldn't need to burn a first rounder on Gonzales. This has nothing to do with Gonzales as a player, he looked promising, but we could have addressed other needs.
Bottom line - we need a true GM to wheel and deal and not free ball it in the draft. If Bill cant agree to that I think you have to mutually part. The patriots compete for super bowls and now we are last in the AFC east for quite some time. Look at the last 3 years of the Eagles picks. They went from bottom of the barrel in their division to hitting every single year on picks and free agency and they were a few plays away from winning a super bowl last year. That could be us if we do this right
I’d give Bill another year he’s never had a tank season. Every great dynasty needs a rebuild. The Warriors, and Spurs. Nobody gets on Pops case.
Stop ! Even Steve Wonder & Ray Charles can see the problem is the player’s loosing the game on penalties !!!
The Lions have a pretty good template in terms of how to properly support a QB.
Yeah, pick top three for 20+ years straight. Even a broke clock is right twice a day.
@@sweatingbullets855 I don't think anyone would argue that for years they were a disaster and a joke of a franchise, but Campbell seems to be the one that has brought them out of that. There just seems to be more buy in, maybe they have gotten lucky a little. But that team right now is winning, confident, and knows what they are capable of. I am not going to pencil them in for the playoffs or even to make a run, but they might be a dark horse as the weeks go on and the season winds down. They have the ability to break another team's heart.
Their qb has heard tho...ours has zero
Goff is also better than Mac he was the #1 pick for a reason.
@@jayy88 Goff with the Patriots offensive line wouldn't be nearly as effective.
While it would suck to see the entire team quit (they basically already have) because we can really go 2 ways from here. There are teams who constantly find themselves drafting in the top 5-10 range every other year. Then there are teams who take advantage of being in a rare spot of drafting top 5 and capitalize on a special player. I really hope we can just keep losing, if they can be competitive that would be cool but not necessary. This team has 0 offensive talent and sadly I don't trust this GM to find elite talent later in the draft.
Bill is tasted