That’s weird. We used to have an AT4 and the tailgate worked great. Could press either button or both in any order and was intuitive. Great feature in a great truck
Chris Browne It is heavy. I have a Raptor now and it’s very heavy too though. I guess they’re all going that way. Yes, hitch damage is a big problem. I often see GMCs now with the telltale top-center ding 😬
I got lucky when dropping my 2500 off for a SES light and found my Carbon Pro 3L. Could not be happier with it. The head up display is awesome. Even found a way to mount the Extang tri fold 2.0. There are not many tonneau cover options out there that are made for the new carbon bed.
I own one of those AT4 diesels, i drove it from Jacksonville, FL up to the mountains of North Carolina and averaged 27.8 mpg and got 575 miles out of 1 tank of fuel. That was taking backroads, through small towns and up curvy mountain roads!
This is by far my favorite video guys. The humor was on point, the realism of the everyday issues, and having an interior party while critiquing was perfect. Love you guys and we need more like this. Best team on RUclips and y’all need more subscribers! Get on it people💯
This is the best format you have ever used for a review. You finally get to voice some criticisms of a vehicle which you rarely do in other reviews without candy coating them. Where I live is almost sea level and there are no substantial hills around. So you towing tests and acceleration tests are almost irrelevant since your normal tests penalize the NA engines too much. With this comparative format you covered everything in a relative way which is much more informative even though its in a lighthearted manner. This is the only reason why I'll stay subscribed. More buddy reviews please.
Thanks guys, I’ll keep my ‘98 Dodge 2500, 4x4, 5.9 beast. No frills, 280k miles. Used it to rescue stranded folks during both Harvey and Tax day floods in the Houston area. Has a 36’ goose neck stock trailer attached 60% of the time.
This is about the most entertaining 33 minutes I have spent in a long time. I just bought a 2020 ecodiesel Rebel. I don't have the barn door tail gate or the sunroof but I really like the truck. Loved this video!
As always, Nathan hits the nail on the head; both in the reviews of the truck and that Roman should have bought the AT4 instead of the very ordinary trailboss/5.3.
John Smith I totally agree. The AT4 is a much better looking truck. GMC gives the consumer what they want more than Chevy. Year one redesign no 6.2 in the TB AT4 yup you got it.
For whatever reason, every vehicle except a few trucks have ditched Column Gear Selectors, which are the easiest to use by feel, are out of the way, and don't take up room in the center console. Rams rotary selector isn't as good to use, in my opinion, but at least it's out of the way, unlike the console levers on most upscale F-150's.
I drove the GMC AT4 3.0L Duramax and felt it had good power off idle,, I laid wheel out of the Dealer Lot on accident trying to get into traffic, not overly quick to 60 as the fellas noted but the truck seem to effortlessly drive along at any speed. I never felt any turbo lag just ton's of torque all the time. Really liked it.
Just bought a 2020 GMC Denali with the 3.0 traded up from a Colorado with the 2.8. Man this truck is a beast, the engine trans combo is spot on. I wanted the AT4 but couldn't find one with the 3.0
They need to fix the engine problems before adding toys in MHO.. the valve problem is so bad that the dealer will tell you it's normal... bad lifters, pushrods.. horrible dependability.. and their transmissions used to be one of the worst you could get besides dodge transmissions.. but since Ford and Gm have worked together.. their transmissions are improving..
I have absolutely no problem with the interior of the GMC. Nice to see they still have a column shiftier, I think it's still the best option for a pick up truck. I don't mind Fords console shifter, but hate the RAM knob or the push buttons on the new Yukon/Hoe. I also like the size of the GMs screen. I personally am not interested in having the huge tablet screen that Ram has. I appreciate it's an option for those who like it though.
I cant wait until my truck arrives. I ordered the 2020 AT4 Carbon pro in Carbon black & the 3.0L diesel. My friend just got his Chevy equivalent and was all highway 70mph in Oregon. Put 621 miles and filled up once the light came on and put 17.81 gal in it. Do the calculations and that is 34 mpg. the big test is when you pull a boat. Car & Driver tested at a 6800lb trailer getting 17mpg. Take an average boat at 3000lb. you should get 20mpg. I will get mine late next month and are very close to you guys.
@@kevinwilliamson7294 It's not about loosing all that cash. My 2017 tundra rode like a lumber wagon on I-25 north of Thornton and use the truck for towing my professional Bass Boat. I towed it back from Branson, MO last May and got 10mpg. It doesn't take too many trips like that to start adding up. Plus you cant take it with you so you may as well enjoy your ride while you can. I agree ordering a $65K truck and what the value is in 3 years. Agree but I'm doing it anyway.
Its still a ridiculous transaction. Imagine putting 65k$ into a retirement fund and in 5 years its worth 20k! But shit tons of people do it anyway. All to impress people who you will never meet. But I degrees. It's not my money.
Kevin Williamson, agree however when you own a company you MUST utilize tax breaks and yes that amount is stupid expensive. Look on the bright side, I’ll be getting stupid mileage. Appreciate the feedback and not interested in impressing anyone or friends. Just want to get way better mileage than the Tundra does.
I bought the Gen II Ecodiesel Grand Cherokee Ltd in 2015 and since were Seniors and only drive it on trips, we get up to 32mpg in it. I’m happy with it. It’s towing is fantastic as well.
So I finally test drove a 2021 Limited ecodiesel after binging on so many RUclipss. The good news, the fit and finish both inside and out as well as the quiet comfortable ride... nailed it. The motor, let's say I was underwhelmed. Just not enough low-end torque off the mark; it felt sluggish and underpowered out of the gate. I hopped in a Rebel 5.7 hemi and loved the responsiveness of that engine AND the interior was as comfortable and quite a ride as the limited despite the off-road tires. My inner nerd came out as I used a decibel meter app to measure interior noise at hi-way speed... both vehicles measured the same at 65-66 dB; you could hear a subtle whir from the OR tires, but it did not ping the dB meter. Very quiet, comfy ride!!
The best part of the video was when Roman missed the corner step on the GMC, it was just a good clean chuckle, a feat that all of us middle-aged guys have been guilty of!
I liked the review. It was nice that this wasn't filtered. The tailgate scene was too much! I laughed even harder when the big "Giraffe" missed the foothold in the bumper, of the GMC. Then, while I was laughing, I thought, "What am I laughing about, if I did that, I would have fell on the ground." LOL. To me, the Ram tailgate is a joke. It even shuts flimsy. The GMC step tailgate, is the ticket. I am older, now, and my knees really talk to me. Now that I think about it, watching those three reminded me of watching an old clip of the "3 Stooges!" It would have been funnier if all three were to give the sound effects of the "Stooges." Or, imagine if those three had a few beers in them. LOL! "No, the button goes this way!" Get out of there, let me!" "You shut the wrong side of the tailgate, first!" I do see where that big screen on the Ram, is almost too big. Looking at the screen, while driving, is worse than driving while looking at your cell phone. Think about it? The one thing we can all agree on, the prices on both trucks, is way too much money!
I have the GMC with the multi Pro tailgate. I thought it was a gimmick when I bought it. But now I am totally in love with it. It is so convenient and easy to use! It has so many uses. Neither Ram nore Ford are even come close. The only down fall is not being able to use it when you have a hitch in or towing which is a bummer. But over all I am very pleased with it.
letgouvgod becouse there idiots who won’t just let Cummins design a small diesel for them. Instead of trying to make something in house they know nothing about
I gunna point out here that the Gm isnt an america engine....It was designed in Turin, Italy...Which is 100% fine because Italian designed Diesel Engines are widely considered the best. Italian diesel engineers really are at the top of their craft...
I do like this video format. - Based on the content in this video, I'd choose the GMC over the Ram. However, I think the Ram tailgate is a little better concept, but I have some gripes. The Multi-pro gate seems overly complicated, and can not be used to it's fullest if there's a hitch/trailer on the truck.
was looking at the ram as i have a 2014 Limited Cummins and i ended up getting a fully loaded AT4, loved the offroad and styling, but mostly liked the larger 6.7 box where the rebel is only in a pointless to real truck 5.5 box. i opted for the 10 speed 6.2L had to get out of the diesel due to taking so long to warm up in -40 and DPF non stop issues. AT4 is probably the best half ton truck i've even used.. its very well equipped and has lots of neat little tech things many others dont. i have all safety pkg and tech pkg in mine.. has more cameras than the Ram and i have a camera for my trailer and TPMS for my trailer also!! first GMC in over 10 years for me and i'm very happy with it. i nearly bought the raptor actually but glad i went with the AT4 std box.
Can not beat the Ram boxes. I purchased the truck for the Ram boxes. It's an incredible value and very resourceful in the real world. You will need to use these bed features in real world examples to appreciate them. Groceries, have you ever needed to get groceries and have passengers in your truck? I can put a full basket of groceries in the Ram boxes. What is the alternative, put them in the bed or make another trip....
After watching many videos, both by TFL and others, I feel the need to point a couple of things out. 1: you wouldn't like the "huge" sunroof if you knew all of the issues they are having with them, the gmc "small" sunroof is tried and true. 2: I've drove all the 1/2 tons offroad, and the e lockers in both the ford and ram are speed limited, they will unlock at a relatively low speed, making them useless in mud and dirt when wheelspin is excessive. People say the g80 doesn't work above 20 mph, I've never had them not lock regardless of speed. And 3: the barn door tailgate being split vertically, really concerns me if you were to any significant amount of weight on it, I see the latches as a weak point for it. Just my .02.
The G80 unlocks at about 25 MPH which is a good thing because it's dangerous to fly down the highway with a locked diff when traction isn't good. Doesn't take much for the back end to swing out without warning.
"Oh Wow.. OK" says it all lol about Nathan's barn door comment... priceless!! You guys together really hit it out of the ball park with comedy and an element of buddy slap stick, keep it up..
Observation on the tailgate test. I think if you would try and put 60lbs bag of cement in both beds Ram will be easier and safer on your back with barn doors setup. Also think 12" screen is overkill, 8 is quite enough. Love your videos, keep em coming!
I think your tailgate segment just proved why the best tailgate is the plain Ford one with integral steps that doesn't interfere with anything and works simply.
really like these off the cuff type of videos cause they are honest and down to earth and feel more real. Loved the Roman missing the bed step part was comedic gold as he was trying to play it off LOL.
I drove the GMC Elevation with the duramax and loved it all the options I want, regular tailgate, just pw&pl no need to have a nasa space shuttle for a truck. I'm with you definitely don't feel the need to have a flat-screen TV for a radio, just more stuff to break and have to spend money to repair.
Half tons are much better today for towing . And I love a straight 6 Diesel for reliability. I’ve never known a V-6 to last that long, but I might be wrong with the new V6 diesel’s. Thank you for showing the new trucks . great review !!!!!! Haven’t seen a lot of you Nathan .
I have the GMC with the tailgate I have not had an issue. It is very easy to use. I previously owned a raptor and it cannot hold a candle to my new GMC unless I was to go desert running
Just bought the AT4, on mine GMC dropped the price of the 3.0 upgrade from $2,495 to $995 actually had a reissued window sticker. The old window sticker was $65,450, new sticker is $63,950. With $6,000 rebate and dealer discount was able to get it for $9,637 of of sticker price for $54,312 before taxes. I love this truck, and your review was great, almost got the 6.2 trail boss, glad I didn't. Can't get the auto cruise, video rearview mirror, wireless charging and most importantly the pro tailgate.
Same. I can't explain why, but I love seeing bad things happen to Roman. I have absolutely nothing against the guy, I just think it's funny when he gets stuck, or things blow up with him at the helm.
Same. I can't explain why, but I love seeing bad things happen to Roman. I have absolutely nothing against the guy, I just think it's funny when he gets stuck, or things blow up with him at the helm. Edit: maybe I just like hearing him complain. Idk
Chevy pioneered bedside storage boxes many years ago on the Chevy Avalanche. Chevy/GMC don't over exaggerate their tow ratings for their 3.0L diesels like Ram/Ford. Imagine how SLOW they would be with 12000 Lbs. hooked up. Anyone needing to tow that should be up-sizing their truck. Only thing missing was technology available on these higher trim trucks which would be important to those willing to pay for these trucks. Great review video, fun to watch.
What a great and fun video to enjoy over breakfast. I will admit, that I have been looking for that color rebel, without airbags and without the pano roof. In the end, I believe the rebel will cost less money to own and operate than the G. M. Factor in the transmission and drive train maintenance and durability. I just cannot get on board with a rear mounted timing set up, nor the oil pump design on the i6.
This was probably the most enjoyable review from all of you guys. All your attitudes and the fun you guys were having joking with one another was awsome to watch. Thank u guys for some good morning laughs 😆😂. And boy that at4 tailgate scene was hilarious 😂
I bought one of the first RAM Rebel 4X4 EcoDiesels in the US back in early December and it's all your fault TFL! The good thing is that I love it. It only has 3000 miles so far, but here around Lake Tahoe, it's perfect!
Love these videos more looser and more light hearted humor. Your reviews always seem to be very laid back and fun as to why I've been watching since juke vs xterra snow drive test up lick skillet road. These are fun tests and enjoy the live shows either walk around or behind the desk shows. But for price you could get an LTZ HD, or Ram HD limited as well with rebates tossed in. That's alarming these prices are sky rocketing as much as they are. 10 year financing coming soon .
Dampened multi function tailgates and sensors/cameras have their rightful place in a truck. They just need to be durable *and* reliable without compromise! Same with bed liners. These are the basic attributes of a truck yet they're not standard issue but are gated behind overpriced packages and made with unreliable, cheap quality hardware and component. These tech aren't new, it's up to the buyers to push higher standard and fair pricing on the compagnies but it's not gonna happen since people change trucks like they change smartphones.
Not looking for a basic truck. They should have leather seats and premium engine options with normal tailgate. Sensors and cameras are for pussies that can't use mirrors.
I got a dark quartz metallic AT4 Dec 2019. I had a 2014 Ram eco diesel and after 13k it had a chronic issue. You get a service electronic throttle position switch message and the truck would go into limp mode. The ram spent over 6 months time for 4 service visits and Ram couldn't fix it and they wouldn't replace it. With the GMC I have 26k miles on it and it gave me a scare but GM fixed it. About 12k a glow plug went bad. I have and have had several 2500 RAMS with the Cummins 5.9 and 6.7 and prefer i6 configuration so happy to wear out this GM 3.0. So far so good.
DUAL ZONE CLIMATE CONTROL 10 WAY ADJUSTABLE DRIVERS SEAT WITH LUMBAR 24 HOUR ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE Who wouldn't want to roll around with some of these bad boys on the side of their vehicle?
Ugh. I agree. My wife’s infinity q50 is a beautiful car. But, they decided to put the engine displacement on the side. It looked like something you could buy at autozone. Hideous. Needless to say those are gone.
I like the Carbon bed on the GMC and the bedside storage on the Ram. The tailgates on both trucks are just a gimmick and I could pass on the sunroof on both trucks. I like that the Ram has a larger fuel tank too. I feel like you guys dropped the ball on both of these by not at least telling us what the towing capacity was for both. One of the reasons you opt for a diesel is for more towing.
Snake Plissken did you include the tow bills hauling the Toyota back to the dealer on warranty to have it fixed? I hauled mine in three time for the same problem and they would not cover the tow bill only threaten to cancel warranty if I drove it in after noticing it clunking. I will never have a Toyota again. The dealer was terrible. My gm dealers have been great to work with when shit happen as it will with everything.
I prefer the Ram tailgate but I use my truck for work and getting a forklift in closer for loading and unloading is a huge benefit; as is being able to getting into your truck bed when towing a trailer and not worrying about damaging the tailgate on trailer coupler.
They make a hitch that clears the tailgate on the GMC. Plus the bumper steps make it easy to get into and out of the bed without dropping the tailgate. Ram doesn't have an option like that, aside from those junk aftermarket steps that rust up and stop working after one winter.
NATHAN! My man. I agree with you 95% . I've had both an Elocker on my F150 FX4 and a G80 on my Trail boss. I found the Elocker next to useless in most offroad situations. I live in BC there isn't much slick rock to crawl on. But lots of tight trails where a fully locked axle sucks! The G80 being Automatic is always there. Now I'd rather a Torsen system LSD, but the G80 will do.
I can’t beleieve noone said “forget it”. The diesel is 20-30 years behind in technology and engineering compared to gas in the half tons and the price is prohibitive from any mpg gains and the maintenance on the diesels is insane plus def....
Diesel leads gas in every facet of technology, that's partly why they are more expensive. Its not the 40's anymore where they are the cheap dumb alternative. They are the pricey performance alternative when performance is real world economy on working duty cycles. They are certainly more expensive to maintain, but not by some astronomical margin, its not 2010 anymore either and the emissions systems are relatively reliable now.
I spend $20 on DEF every 16000kms. Not really a big difference. The oil change on the other hand is $270... I drive a lot and my fuel costs have dropped $600/mth vs the hemi I had
Matthew Garn I am speaking specifically in regards to half ton segment. VW has great mpg in their cars and the heavy duty has the towing capability to justify the massive diesel. The half tons can’t seem to decide what they want to accomplish with the diesel. Therefore you get something that can’t merge into traffic unloaded.
David Pritchard I am not sure about your gasket market, but here in Louisiana gas averages maybe 2.10/gal. I drive about 10,000 miles (roughly your 16,000km) every two months. At 15mpg (my f150 with all my tools and parts loaded on hwy with 5.0) that’s 666 gallons at 2.10/gal is $1,400. Lets say the diesel will get 25 mpg loaded with about 1,000lbs like I am. That is 400gal, and diesel on the cheap side is maybe 2.80/gal so that is $1,120. If you are saving $600 per month more power to you, sounds great. Here in the southern USA it does not add up
Maybe you guys can pool some money together for an aux. camera light for those interior shots! Love seeing the three of you guys together, it really makes the video fun!
Would love to see a 6.2 vs 3.0 comparison. I went for the 6.2 in my AT4 but the merits of the diesel seem strong. Love to know how they tow head to head plus your driving impressions.
I've got the 6.2 AT4 as well, but if I wanted a diesel, I wouldn't waste my time with turbo'd 3.0 v6 when there's a 6.6 v8 turbodiesel on the market. The 3.0 is bound to have longevity issues, whereas the 6.6 will more than likely last as long as you want it to. IMHO, the 6.2 is a better call than the 3.0
Pretty close to my 2020 Ram Rebel. Have had it 2 weeks after researching for 8 months lol. Thanks for the content. The Ram gps command is something like “Find”...
@Radford Tataryn You said she stole their slogan and told her to "try something original." And then you continued to berate her for telling you to F off in a rather sweet way actually. She didn't steal their slogan. Ram took a popular colloquialism and used it in an ad. Ram wasn't original either. Putting it in a commercial doesn't equate with originality. So go ahead and berate me because I too am gonna tell you to F off in a not so sweet way.
I love these guys love the way they review the trucks but I'm a ram guy I love there trucks I've never had a problem with them keep up the good work love watching your videos
The tailgate scene was great.😂😂😂
That’s weird. We used to have an AT4 and the tailgate worked great. Could press either button or both in any order and was intuitive. Great feature in a great truck
The GM is too complicated, prone to tow hitch damage, trailer damage etc. and its dang heavy.
@@seagullsbtn once you own one and use it, you are a believer
Chris Browne It is heavy. I have a Raptor now and it’s very heavy too though. I guess they’re all going that way. Yes, hitch damage is a big problem. I often see GMCs now with the telltale top-center ding 😬
Most agreed! The tailgate scene was pure comedy.
I bought my 3L AT4 2 weeks ago. Hitting the 24 mpg combined, as advertised. Getting well over 500 miles per tank, nearly 550. Love the truck!
Let me know how it holds up I want one but I'm not being a test mule for a new engine lol
Damn, I custom ordered one here in San diego, how the heck you get one so early?
Bet you love losing all that money.
Per GM engineers. Engine will last about 150,000 miles. Embarrassing numbers
I got lucky when dropping my 2500 off for a SES light and found my Carbon Pro 3L. Could not be happier with it. The head up display is awesome. Even found a way to mount the Extang tri fold 2.0. There are not many tonneau cover options out there that are made for the new carbon bed.
I own one of those AT4 diesels, i drove it from Jacksonville, FL up to the mountains of North Carolina and averaged 27.8 mpg and got 575 miles out of 1 tank of fuel. That was taking backroads, through small towns and up curvy mountain roads!
In a high torque motor slower speeds helps mpgs
This is by far my favorite video guys. The humor was on point, the realism of the everyday issues, and having an interior party while critiquing was perfect. Love you guys and we need more like this. Best team on RUclips and y’all need more subscribers! Get on it people💯
This is the best format you have ever used for a review. You finally get to voice some criticisms of a vehicle which you rarely do in other reviews without candy coating them. Where I live is almost sea level and there are no substantial hills around. So you towing tests and acceleration tests are almost irrelevant since your normal tests penalize the NA engines too much. With this comparative format you covered everything in a relative way which is much more informative even though its in a lighthearted manner. This is the only reason why I'll stay subscribed. More buddy reviews please.
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ROFL! This had me in tears
Thanks guys, I’ll keep my ‘98 Dodge 2500, 4x4, 5.9 beast. No frills, 280k miles. Used it to rescue stranded folks during both Harvey and Tax day floods in the Houston area. Has a 36’ goose neck stock trailer attached 60% of the time.
This is about the most entertaining 33 minutes I have spent in a long time. I just bought a 2020 ecodiesel Rebel. I don't have the barn door tail gate or the sunroof but I really like the truck. Loved this video!
How are you liking it ? Now ? How’s fuel economy? How’s the ride and what was all in price with tax and discounts ?
As always, Nathan hits the nail on the head; both in the reviews of the truck and that Roman should have bought the AT4 instead of the very ordinary trailboss/5.3.
John Smith I totally agree. The AT4 is a much better looking truck. GMC gives the consumer what they want more than Chevy. Year one redesign no 6.2 in the TB AT4 yup you got it.
John Smith that AT4 is also a hell of lot more money than the TrailBoss.
They got a trail boss so they could actually test the #1 selling engine in GM 1/2 tons. All GM ever sends them is a truck with a 6.2.
@@waldero04 Yeah but the 5.3 is boring, and they don't have any trouble picking "cool"/more powerful Fords.
For whatever reason, every vehicle except a few trucks have ditched Column Gear Selectors, which are the easiest to use by feel, are out of the way, and don't take up room in the center console. Rams rotary selector isn't as good to use, in my opinion, but at least it's out of the way, unlike the console levers on most upscale F-150's.
The tail gate scene was beyond hilarious 😂! TFL Truck and a cup of coffee is the perfect way to start the day. Keep those videos coming!
I drove the GMC AT4 3.0L Duramax and felt it had good power off idle,, I laid wheel out of the Dealer Lot on accident trying to get into traffic, not overly quick to 60 as the fellas noted but the truck seem to effortlessly drive along at any speed. I never felt any turbo lag just ton's of torque all the time. Really liked it.
Just bought a 2020 GMC Denali with the 3.0 traded up from a Colorado with the 2.8. Man this truck is a beast, the engine trans combo is spot on. I wanted the AT4 but couldn't find one with the 3.0
Love the GMC AT4. Thanks for sharing and reviewing both of these trucks.
I wish GMC would put in electric lockers with the AT4 like in the the ZR2 Colorado....🤔🤔🤔
Decades ago Eaton mechanical lockers were factory equipment with a tow package.
@@matthewmeaux3450 The G80 is still included with the towing package.
They need to fix the engine problems before adding toys in MHO.. the valve problem is so bad that the dealer will tell you it's normal... bad lifters, pushrods.. horrible dependability.. and their transmissions used to be one of the worst you could get besides dodge transmissions.. but since Ford and Gm have worked together.. their transmissions are improving..
I have absolutely no problem with the interior of the GMC. Nice to see they still have a column shiftier, I think it's still the best option for a pick up truck. I don't mind Fords console shifter, but hate the RAM knob or the push buttons on the new Yukon/Hoe. I also like the size of the GMs screen. I personally am not interested in having the huge tablet screen that Ram has. I appreciate it's an option for those who like it though.
@yfz450rx You sound like a millenial that can't afford any of these trucks
Love this style of review were its just you guys conversing back and forth and taking rib shots at each other. Keep it up
The RAM box, my million dollar idea as a 12 year old I couldn't get rich off of.
I cant wait until my truck arrives. I ordered the 2020 AT4 Carbon pro in Carbon black & the 3.0L diesel. My friend just got his Chevy equivalent and was all highway 70mph in Oregon. Put 621 miles and filled up once the light came on and put 17.81 gal in it. Do the calculations and that is 34 mpg. the big test is when you pull a boat. Car & Driver tested at a 6800lb trailer getting 17mpg. Take an average boat at 3000lb. you should get 20mpg. I will get mine late next month and are very close to you guys.
Good luck with losing all that cash.
@@kevinwilliamson7294 It's not about loosing all that cash. My 2017 tundra rode like a lumber wagon on I-25 north of Thornton and use the truck for towing my professional Bass Boat. I towed it back from Branson, MO last May and got 10mpg. It doesn't take too many trips like that to start adding up. Plus you cant take it with you so you may as well enjoy your ride while you can. I agree ordering a $65K truck and what the value is in 3 years. Agree but I'm doing it anyway.
Its still a ridiculous transaction. Imagine putting 65k$ into a retirement fund and in 5 years its worth 20k! But shit tons of people do it anyway. All to impress people who you will never meet. But I degrees. It's not my money.
plus you cant drive a retirement fund to work or have it haul your toys.
Kevin Williamson, agree however when you own a company you MUST utilize tax breaks and yes that amount is stupid expensive. Look on the bright side, I’ll be getting stupid mileage. Appreciate the feedback and not interested in impressing anyone or friends. Just want to get way better mileage than the Tundra does.
I bought the Gen II Ecodiesel Grand Cherokee Ltd in 2015 and since were Seniors and only drive it on trips, we get up to 32mpg in it. I’m happy with it. It’s towing is fantastic as well.
One of your best videos ever. Can't wait to see these engines on the Ike.
So I finally test drove a 2021 Limited ecodiesel after binging on so many RUclipss. The good news, the fit and finish both inside and out as well as the quiet comfortable ride... nailed it. The motor, let's say I was underwhelmed. Just not enough low-end torque off the mark; it felt sluggish and underpowered out of the gate. I hopped in a Rebel 5.7 hemi and loved the responsiveness of that engine AND the interior was as comfortable and quite a ride as the limited despite the off-road tires. My inner nerd came out as I used a decibel meter app to measure interior noise at hi-way speed... both vehicles measured the same at 65-66 dB; you could hear a subtle whir from the OR tires, but it did not ping the dB meter. Very quiet, comfy ride!!
I like the “RAW” review... it shows you guys really having fun doing your job.. 👍🏽
My 2020 Ram Ecodiesel 4x4 did 708 miles on one tank of highway driving. @75mph in Florida. 26 gallon tank.
The format was great! I liked watching you guys interact "raw".
The best part of the video was when Roman missed the corner step on the GMC, it was just a good clean chuckle, a feat that all of us middle-aged guys have been guilty of!
I liked the review. It was nice that this wasn't filtered. The tailgate scene was too much! I laughed even harder when the big "Giraffe" missed the foothold in the bumper, of the GMC. Then, while I was laughing, I thought, "What am I laughing about, if I did that, I would have fell on the ground." LOL. To me, the Ram tailgate is a joke. It even shuts flimsy. The GMC step tailgate, is the ticket. I am older, now, and my knees really talk to me. Now that I think about it, watching those three reminded me of watching an old clip of the "3 Stooges!" It would have been funnier if all three were to give the sound effects of the "Stooges." Or, imagine if those three had a few beers in them. LOL! "No, the button goes this way!" Get out of there, let me!" "You shut the wrong side of the tailgate, first!" I do see where that big screen on the Ram, is almost too big. Looking at the screen, while driving, is worse than driving while looking at your cell phone. Think about it? The one thing we can all agree on, the prices on both trucks, is way too much money!
I modernized my Yukon today for offroad. Got RED recovery hooks for improved offroad/crawling prowess! I am unstoppable!
Loved the tailgate “keystone cops” comedy show
I like the tailgate to.
Have loved the buddy reviews for a long time. Breaks it down to make the comparison no nonsense. Keep em’ coming!!
I have the GMC with the multi Pro tailgate. I thought it was a gimmick when I bought it. But now I am totally in love with it. It is so convenient and easy to use! It has so many uses. Neither Ram nore Ford are even come close. The only down fall is not being able to use it when you have a hitch in or towing which is a bummer. But over all I am very pleased with it.
I feel much more confident with an American straight 6 over an Italian V6 diesel
It doesn't matter where it's from. Any engine with belts sandwiched between it and the transmission is a terrible design.
emdec55 you think the Vega engine developers have some offspring working in engine development now?
We have a beltologist in our midst!! Ask yourself why the Fiat (Dodge) engine is already on a 3rd generation
letgouvgod becouse there idiots who won’t just let Cummins design a small diesel for them. Instead of trying to make something in house they know nothing about
I gunna point out here that the Gm isnt an america engine....It was designed in Turin, Italy...Which is 100% fine because Italian designed Diesel Engines are widely considered the best. Italian diesel engineers really are at the top of their craft...
the tailgate scene was so realistic ...this is exactly what would happen with my family when we are together
I do like this video format. - Based on the content in this video, I'd choose the GMC over the Ram. However, I think the Ram tailgate is a little better concept, but I have some gripes. The Multi-pro gate seems overly complicated, and can not be used to it's fullest if there's a hitch/trailer on the truck.
You guys are a riot ... there's entertainment value in this video, worth watching for that ... not to mention the informative aspect.
Could you at least have reported the MPG computer reading instead of just reading the EPA rating?
was looking at the ram as i have a 2014 Limited Cummins and i ended up getting a fully loaded AT4, loved the offroad and styling, but mostly liked the larger 6.7 box where the rebel is only in a pointless to real truck 5.5 box. i opted for the 10 speed 6.2L had to get out of the diesel due to taking so long to warm up in -40 and DPF non stop issues.
AT4 is probably the best half ton truck i've even used.. its very well equipped and has lots of neat little tech things many others dont. i have all safety pkg and tech pkg in mine.. has more cameras than the Ram and i have a camera for my trailer and TPMS for my trailer also!! first GMC in over 10 years for me and i'm very happy with it. i nearly bought the raptor actually but glad i went with the AT4 std box.
Very good review guys, love the father son stuff too but was awesome to have the good ole boys together!
Can not beat the Ram boxes. I purchased the truck for the Ram boxes. It's an incredible value and very resourceful in the real world. You will need to use these bed features in real world examples to appreciate them. Groceries, have you ever needed to get groceries and have passengers in your truck? I can put a full basket of groceries in the Ram boxes. What is the alternative, put them in the bed or make another trip....
As always a great review! I would have liked to see payload and towing numbers but I am sure that will be in an upcoming review. Keep them coming!
I have to say I do love the raw videos that you put out. Videos like this one seem more real and honest. Keep up the honest and raw videos.
After watching many videos, both by TFL and others, I feel the need to point a couple of things out. 1: you wouldn't like the "huge" sunroof if you knew all of the issues they are having with them, the gmc "small" sunroof is tried and true. 2: I've drove all the 1/2 tons offroad, and the e lockers in both the ford and ram are speed limited, they will unlock at a relatively low speed, making them useless in mud and dirt when wheelspin is excessive. People say the g80 doesn't work above 20 mph, I've never had them not lock regardless of speed. And 3: the barn door tailgate being split vertically, really concerns me if you were to any significant amount of weight on it, I see the latches as a weak point for it. Just my .02.
The G80 unlocks at about 25 MPH which is a good thing because it's dangerous to fly down the highway with a locked diff when traction isn't good. Doesn't take much for the back end to swing out without warning.
"Oh Wow.. OK" says it all lol about Nathan's barn door comment... priceless!! You guys together really hit it out of the ball park with comedy and an element of buddy slap stick, keep it up..
I'm buying the GMC purely on the ability of Snarf's finding
Observation on the tailgate test. I think if you would try and put 60lbs bag of cement in both beds Ram will be easier and safer on your back with barn doors setup.
Also think 12" screen is overkill, 8 is quite enough. Love your videos, keep em coming!
I think your tailgate segment just proved why the best tailgate is the plain Ford one with integral steps that doesn't interfere with anything and works simply.
really like these off the cuff type of videos cause they are honest and down to earth and feel more real. Loved the Roman missing the bed step part was comedic gold as he was trying to play it off LOL.
Tap, tap, clunk right into the trailer hitch. A body shops dream.
I drove the GMC Elevation with the duramax and loved it all the options I want, regular tailgate, just pw&pl no need to have a nasa space shuttle for a truck. I'm with you definitely don't feel the need to have a flat-screen TV for a radio, just more stuff to break and have to spend money to repair.
AT4 with the duramax is the way to go for a 1/2 ton diesel. That inline 6 just dominates both v6 diesel from fiat and Ford. I’m a ford fan too.
LOVED that tailgate scene, something I would have only expected on TFLnow but I love that you left it in there for some good comedy!
Love the buddy reviews! Hilarious!
Half tons are much better today for towing . And I love a straight 6 Diesel for reliability. I’ve never known a V-6 to last that long, but I might be wrong with the new V6 diesel’s. Thank you for showing the new trucks . great review !!!!!! Haven’t seen a lot of you Nathan .
Straight 6 with a wet belt driven oil pump, reliable?
I am totally with Roman. . Yes to the "Man Shift handle" and NO to all that stupid tailgate crap.
I have the GMC with the tailgate I have not had an issue. It is very easy to use. I previously owned a raptor and it cannot hold a candle to my new GMC unless I was to go desert running
Just bought the AT4, on mine GMC dropped the price of the 3.0 upgrade from $2,495 to $995 actually had a reissued window sticker. The old window sticker was $65,450, new sticker is $63,950. With $6,000 rebate and dealer discount was able to get it for $9,637 of of sticker price for $54,312 before taxes. I love this truck, and your review was great, almost got the 6.2 trail boss, glad I didn't. Can't get the auto cruise, video rearview mirror, wireless charging and most importantly the pro tailgate.
Great review gentlemen. I would save the buy, lease until they have both done some real offroad testing.
Im with Nathan! Love this RAW format. Keep em coming!
Would of loved to see that brick go through the back window😂
Same. I can't explain why, but I love seeing bad things happen to Roman. I have absolutely nothing against the guy, I just think it's funny when he gets stuck, or things blow up with him at the helm.
Same. I can't explain why, but I love seeing bad things happen to Roman. I have absolutely nothing against the guy, I just think it's funny when he gets stuck, or things blow up with him at the helm.
Edit: maybe I just like hearing him complain. Idk
Chevy pioneered bedside storage boxes many years ago on the Chevy Avalanche. Chevy/GMC don't over exaggerate their tow ratings for their 3.0L diesels like Ram/Ford. Imagine how SLOW they would be with 12000 Lbs. hooked up. Anyone needing to tow that should be up-sizing their truck. Only thing missing was technology available on these higher trim trucks which would be important to those willing to pay for these trucks. Great review video, fun to watch.
What a great and fun video to enjoy over breakfast. I will admit, that I have been looking for that color rebel, without airbags and without the pano roof. In the end, I believe the rebel will cost less money to own and operate than the G. M. Factor in the transmission and drive train maintenance and durability. I just cannot get on board with a rear mounted timing set up, nor the oil pump design on the i6.
exactly, they took an amazing concept, a straight 6 and ruined it with a belt driven oil pump that you have to remove the engine to service WTF
This was probably the most enjoyable review from all of you guys. All your attitudes and the fun you guys were having joking with one another was awsome to watch. Thank u guys for some good morning laughs 😆😂. And boy that at4 tailgate scene was hilarious 😂
That AT4 is the truck they should have bought over the Trailboss.
I bought one of the first RAM Rebel 4X4 EcoDiesels in the US back in early December and it's all your fault TFL! The good thing is that I love it. It only has 3000 miles so far, but here around Lake Tahoe, it's perfect!
Trade it off before 60k miles.
Square body trucks at 5:25, NICE.
Love these videos more looser and more light hearted humor. Your reviews always seem to be very laid back and fun as to why I've been watching since juke vs xterra snow drive test up lick skillet road. These are fun tests and enjoy the live shows either walk around or behind the desk shows. But for price you could get an LTZ HD, or Ram HD limited as well with rebates tossed in. That's alarming these prices are sky rocketing as much as they are. 10 year financing coming soon .
Awesome video once again guys! I think I've just fallen in love with the baby Duramax!
It's set for 40° and lower temperatures for heating seat, mirrors and steering wheel for the Ram. It's an awesome feature if you have it.
Forget those stupid tailgates. Give me a normal tailgate, no sensors or cameras, and price it in the upper 30's.
Yea thats a base model truck with normal tailgates and basic interior which price starts way less than these in the video
Taylor they make those trucks but very few people buy them, so you have to order one from the dealers. There’s no discount on those trucks though.
When you hit 50 years in age, those tailgates are definite selling points. Thinking about trading in my 2018 Silverado just for the tailgate option.
Dampened multi function tailgates and sensors/cameras have their rightful place in a truck. They just need to be durable *and* reliable without compromise! Same with bed liners. These are the basic attributes of a truck yet they're not standard issue but are gated behind overpriced packages and made with unreliable, cheap quality hardware and component. These tech aren't new, it's up to the buyers to push higher standard and fair pricing on the compagnies but it's not gonna happen since people change trucks like they change smartphones.
Not looking for a basic truck. They should have leather seats and premium engine options with normal tailgate. Sensors and cameras are for pussies that can't use mirrors.
I got a dark quartz metallic AT4 Dec 2019. I had a 2014 Ram eco diesel and after 13k it had a chronic issue. You get a service electronic throttle position switch message and the truck would go into limp mode. The ram spent over 6 months time for 4 service visits and Ram couldn't fix it and they wouldn't replace it. With the GMC I have 26k miles on it and it gave me a scare but GM fixed it. About 12k a glow plug went bad. I have and have had several 2500 RAMS with the Cummins 5.9 and 6.7 and prefer i6 configuration so happy to wear out this GM 3.0. So far so good.
Those guys should NEVER be allowed together. They have way too much fun!
MPG loop with and without the tonneau cover on the AT4!! Great video guys!
Nobody: I want a badge for all the options packages on ma truck!
GM: Yes
DUAL ZONE CLIMATE CONTROL
10 WAY ADJUSTABLE DRIVERS SEAT WITH LUMBAR
24 HOUR ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE
Who wouldn't want to roll around with some of these bad boys on the side of their vehicle?
Ugh. I agree. My wife’s infinity q50 is a beautiful car. But, they decided to put the engine displacement on the side. It looked like something you could buy at autozone. Hideous. Needless to say those are gone.
Excellent review. Excellent team. This review “format” with the team was by far your best and should be your new norm. I really enjoyed it.
I like the Carbon bed on the GMC and the bedside storage on the Ram. The tailgates on both trucks are just a gimmick and I could pass on the sunroof on both trucks. I like that the Ram has a larger fuel tank too. I feel like you guys dropped the ball on both of these by not at least telling us what the towing capacity was for both. One of the reasons you opt for a diesel is for more towing.
also a transmission review would have been nice.
What bed cover does the AT4 have, I really liked the way it looked and would want to buy it for my truck.
B&W makes a hitch that won’t hit when the GMC tailgate is down.
which hitch are you talking about.
If you remember to turn it in.
Haha. I've never seen so many grown men have problems with tailgates. Thank you for all the great videos!
Everybody talks about MPG but what nobody seems to talk about it $ per mile to drive.
@Snake Plissken horrible mpg
Toyota tundras are junk. Couldn't pay me to own one.
Snake Plissken did you include the tow bills hauling the Toyota back to the dealer on warranty to have it fixed? I hauled mine in three time for the same problem and they would not cover the tow bill only threaten to cancel warranty if I drove it in after noticing it clunking. I will never have a Toyota again. The dealer was terrible. My gm dealers have been great to work with when shit happen as it will with everything.
I don't really compare diesels and gas. I just like diesel trucks honestly
Snake Plissken explain how you make said comment. It’s been proven that the tundra isn’t working for Toyota
Your camera work sometimes made think I was drunk and near passing out. What a relief it was when the focus eventually returned.
$65-70 k for a half ton truck. What is this world coming to?
Platinum f150 is like 80k. Insane,
David Lusk pretty sure the Plat F150 is around 74k. With the raptor engine off course but yeah expensive
That's still crazy. And with tax and license.. way over $80k
For that money, I could get a Subaru WRX STi, and a beater truck while having money left over
Platinum F-150 can be bought in the 50s with rebates and it doesn’t come with a raptor engine. That’s the Limited
I prefer the Ram tailgate but I use my truck for work and getting a forklift in closer for loading and unloading is a huge benefit; as is being able to getting into your truck bed when towing a trailer and not worrying about damaging the tailgate on trailer coupler.
They make a hitch that clears the tailgate on the GMC. Plus the bumper steps make it easy to get into and out of the bed without dropping the tailgate. Ram doesn't have an option like that, aside from those junk aftermarket steps that rust up and stop working after one winter.
NATHAN! My man. I agree with you 95% . I've had both an Elocker on my F150 FX4 and a G80 on my Trail boss. I found the Elocker next to useless in most offroad situations. I live in BC there isn't much slick rock to crawl on. But lots of tight trails where a fully locked axle sucks! The G80 being Automatic is always there. Now I'd rather a Torsen system LSD, but the G80 will do.
I’m with you, Roman, I’d go for a 2500 for the same or less money! Thumbs up for this format also, very entertaining.
I can’t beleieve noone said “forget it”.
The diesel is 20-30 years behind in technology and engineering compared to gas in the half tons and the price is prohibitive from any mpg gains and the maintenance on the diesels is insane plus def....
StoneysWorkshop . I agree.
Diesel leads gas in every facet of technology, that's partly why they are more expensive. Its not the 40's anymore where they are the cheap dumb alternative. They are the pricey performance alternative when performance is real world economy on working duty cycles. They are certainly more expensive to maintain, but not by some astronomical margin, its not 2010 anymore either and the emissions systems are relatively reliable now.
I spend $20 on DEF every 16000kms. Not really a big difference. The oil change on the other hand is $270... I drive a lot and my fuel costs have dropped $600/mth vs the hemi I had
Matthew Garn I am speaking specifically in regards to half ton segment.
VW has great mpg in their cars and the heavy duty has the towing capability to justify the massive diesel.
The half tons can’t seem to decide what they want to accomplish with the diesel. Therefore you get something that can’t merge into traffic unloaded.
David Pritchard I am not sure about your gasket market, but here in Louisiana gas averages maybe 2.10/gal. I drive about 10,000 miles (roughly your 16,000km) every two months.
At 15mpg (my f150 with all my tools and parts loaded on hwy with 5.0) that’s 666 gallons at 2.10/gal is $1,400.
Lets say the diesel will get 25 mpg loaded with about 1,000lbs like I am. That is 400gal, and diesel on the cheap side is maybe 2.80/gal so that is $1,120.
If you are saving $600 per month more power to you, sounds great.
Here in the southern USA it does not add up
Andre does a nice job of keeping things organized and informative
I think it was embarrassing for Ram that it could not find Snarf's with all that shiny, flashy tech and the no-nonsense GMC just nailed it first try.
All that screen and no software behind it... Also, no Auto 4WD in the ram?
@@svpracer98 The Ram's auto 4WD can't handle the bigger heavier tires. Tears up the transfer case over time.
Maybe you guys can pool some money together for an aux. camera light for those interior shots! Love seeing the three of you guys together, it really makes the video fun!
Almost broke that rear window
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I like the free flowing reviews rather than the scripted, way more fun to watch. Great vid guys
You guys are awesome. This video is so funny. Tailgates and missed steps...
What is the truck bed gate on the RAM Rebel? That is sharp!!
Keep my stuff from going to the top of the bed under a tonneau cover
Would love to see a 6.2 vs 3.0 comparison. I went for the 6.2 in my AT4 but the merits of the diesel seem strong. Love to know how they tow head to head plus your driving impressions.
I've got the 6.2 AT4 as well, but if I wanted a diesel, I wouldn't waste my time with turbo'd 3.0 v6 when there's a 6.6 v8 turbodiesel on the market. The 3.0 is bound to have longevity issues, whereas the 6.6 will more than likely last as long as you want it to.
IMHO, the 6.2 is a better call than the 3.0
I'd take the 3.0 any day vs the 6.2. I've owned both.
I bought the GMC AT4 CARBON PRO 3.0L diesel and Love it!! Great ride and mileage.
What truck has the most comfortable seats, all I care about
Like the idea of the straight 6, but my Ecodiesel Ram has been perfect for almost 150,000 miles and averages over 30 mpg. Tuned.
The GMC Sierra AT4 with the diesel engine is my dream truck.
Pretty close to my 2020 Ram Rebel. Have had it 2 weeks after researching for 8 months lol. Thanks for the content. The Ram gps command is something like “Find”...
That gmc is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Use me as a dislike button
Rebecca Ferrante - sweet and UGLY!
Radford Tataryn. I never saw the commercial I said that cause I just purchased a gmc at4 2020 so I can say what I want.😉😉😉
@Radford Tataryn Lol people were saying "sweeeeeeeeeet" long before ram ever made a commercial with it.
@Radford Tataryn You said she stole their slogan and told her to "try something original." And then you continued to berate her for telling you to F off in a rather sweet way actually.
She didn't steal their slogan. Ram took a popular colloquialism and used it in an ad. Ram wasn't original either. Putting it in a commercial doesn't equate with originality.
So go ahead and berate me because I too am gonna tell you to F off in a not so sweet way.
Great comparison and review. The tailgate discussion was worth it all 😁. Thank you guys for doing what you do 👍
As long as you don’t have your tow ball in the hitch.
Raw. Enjoy the back to basics approach.
I love these guys love the way they review the trucks but I'm a ram guy I love there trucks I've never had a problem with them keep up the good work love watching your videos