Super Speed Ammunition (CIVIL DEFENSE) Gel Block Test
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- Опубликовано: 31 дек 2021
- Todays fun is with ammo from a company called Liberty Ammunition. Civil Defense is some of the hottest defense ammo I have ever shot in a video and I had an absolute blast filming this one. If there's anything you would like to see me shoot with the Civil Defense then let me know in the comment section and ill try to make it happen. I love you guys and I hope you enjoy this video as much as I enjoyed making it.
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Alaskan Ballistics Channel chrono'd the Liberty 60gr Civil Defense out of a Glock 20 with a 6.5" KKM barrel and got over 2,600FPS out of it! That's literally short barreled AR speed with a 60gr bullet. Insane
Wow. Yeah that's like 10.5" AR-15 territory.
@@phil2082 Yeah, he tested it against an 11.5" AR if I recall. The Glock 20 with the KKM had MORE energy than the AR. Insane
@@JohnB-dr8sk 11.5" ARs typically spit out 55gr around 2900 fps. 10.5" is usually around 2650. 7.5" spits out around 1850, so this glock would be better than a 7.5" AR in 5.56, hands down.
@@phil2082 Go to Alaskan Ballstics Channel and see it for yourself. And no, 11.5" ARs do not hit 2900FPS with a factory 55gr. There are plenty of chrono tests on RUclips which prove this.
@@phil2082 On a sidenote, the Liberty 10mm out of a 6.5" KKM barrel does better than the longer AR barrel because the Liberty burns its powder faster and more efficiently. 5.56 uses powders made for rifle length barrels, which need that extra space to build up pressure. It's just reloading 101.
I watched Paul Harrell's review on this stuff. He said the reduced risk of over-penetration might make it useful as a round for air marshals.
That's why the 45 acp ammo is great. Getting this high of fps on what's typically a fat heavy 45 round is a game changer for many.
Just think what a 230 grain would do at that speed
45 acp is an outdated round boomer
@@nelsonr1467 I’m a 357 Sig guy through and through but but there’s this one round I’m really loving in my 45 ACP that makes me smile like a fool. It’s a Underwood 45 Super 135gr Xtreme Defender. Insane I tell you.
@@freedomisntfree_44 if only
@@nelsonr1467 you must really hate the 9mmx19 then since it's even older than the .45acp. D.B.
I’ve shot literally hundreds of hogs with my 10mm and the speed they drop with liberty Ammo from chest shots is as fast or faster most of the time than 6.5 Grendel out of my sbr. No other handgun ammo does this unless it is over 1900 fps. The internal bleeding and damage is so much greater than the slow ammo It’s insane. Hydrostatic shock causes real damage at 2kish+ velocities.
This ammo is so far superior than everything else in handguns it’s not even fair to compare.
Jason the damage you have seen in the hogs give you confidence in what it would do to a person? You know how most say it doesn’t penetrate enough to stop a person? You think that’s a load of crap in your opinion??
Let's get some in 458 socom...
@@louv4437 10mm doesn't penetrate people enough to stop them? Do you really believe that
@@trentonfiffia8063 not 10mm lol I was talking about the ammo civil defense lol
It's much like reports from civilian contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan, who were not subject to the military's ban on anything but Full Metal Jacket ammunition.
They reported almost universal one-shot kills with 5.56x45 rounds using anything from soft-points to V-Max.
The terrorists complained about it, so the politicians tried to put a stop to it (I'm not sure what came about there).
IED's by the enemy are fine, but bullets capable of stopping that enemy is forbidden.
It makes you wonder just whose side they're on!
I've been carrying these since day one of carrying. I researched for several weeks before making the purchase and as yours, mine, and others results have shown, these are no gimmick.
The most important lesson I learned from these: don't believe what you read on Reddit or any other forum. Research for yourself rather than taking the word of someone whose probably never seen a box of them in person, much less fired one through a chrono or into a block.
ive been using this ammo for almost 8 years, i love it. Less recoil so the wife likes it. Plus it weighs noticeably less when loaded in the gun and fragments so over penetration for a self protection makes it a great carry round. and it defeats level 3 body armor and lots of bullet proof glass.
how well does it cycle? do you ever get jams with this ammo? My every day carry is a glock in 9mm. I'm considering switching to Civil Defense but i'm hesitant because ive been carrying Hornady for like the last 9 years
I've never had any issues running it. I've let my kids shoot a small 9 mm Glock 43 sized and if they limp wrist it I've had some eject issues that way. But it's just because they're not holding it tight enough.
@@Tilley52 awesome! I’m gonna try it out! Thanks!
I load my 380 pocket pistol and my 9 mm with Liberty civil defense.. it makes the whole gun lighter to carry... The rounds recoil much less than standard ammo.. and this stuff really packs a punch... The 9 mm civil defense ammo was demonstrated on the military arms channel where it penetrated a level 3 soft body armor!
i mean think about it. ~18 rounds of 147 grain vs 18 rounds of 50 grain ... That 147 grain is 3 times the weight of 50 grain so yea its 3 times lighter BUT much more effective in the hurt.
I was always told to use 147 grain for defense, bigger bullet = more knock down. I used Hornady XTP 147 grain but that was under 1000 fps ...
After seeing this 50 grain at 2500 FPS with the damage it does .. No brainer.
Showed my co-worker and his eyes were wide open.
It’s designed to fragment like that to prevent over penetration, that’s what frangible ammo is suppose to do.
Yes and no. Frangible ammo is designed to turn into a cloud of coarse dust when it hits a hard surface. I.e. if a sky marshal uses it inside an airliner, it is not supposed to penetrate the fuselage. If you shoot it in a residence, it shouldn't penetrate a hard wall. It goes well beyond fragmentation.
@@lyfandeth Federal Air Marshals do not use frangible ammo.....just fyi.... Frangible Ammo is primarily used shooting steel so there is no chance of ricochet, because of what you stated about it turning to dust.
That .223 is disappointing though, I wonder why they didn't boost the velocity of it since it just seems equivalent if not worse to varmint rounds.
@@1810jeff gassing maybe?
@@darrengarcia4937 I think I just realized why but it brings up the question why even make them then? The likely reason is because they're made using a material that is too delicate to stand the speeds of a normal load so they reduced the powder amount. I have to assume they reduced the load because m193 goes faster than this ammo and they're both the same weight.
It's no gimmick, I personally know it works and even penetrates level 3 armor
I personally think the 223 is a gimmick.
@@hardlylivin6602 I've shot bunch of the 9mm, it's my go to with my sidearm. Like you I wasn't all that impressed with .223
@@hardlylivin6602 just too expensive, thanks to Biden and the anti-gunners. Lol
@@user-pv9pv4xf9c It'll only cut through soft armor. It won't go through the high density poly plates or composite layer plates. It wasn't designed as an AP round but has always zipped through kevlar in my experience.
@@user-pv9pv4xf9c That's probably the case. I wouldn't doubt if there's situations it won't go through armor. They may even be loading it differently now. However I wouldn't buy this ammo based off the fact that it'll sometimes go through soft armor.
If you are looking for a dedicated AP round in 9mm, look into the "Dagny Dagger" project from Atlas arms. It is entirely civi legal and will absolutely cut right through soft armor reliably. It may even cut through hardened layered kevlar plates and high density poly plates. I won't post a link since YT seems to be really funny about links now and would most likely hide this comment.
Unfortunately, I believe they are looking for a spring 2022 release so you won't be able to get your hands on any just yet. But it's still worth keeping an eye on.
I have hunted with all of these rounds. They have exited deer and hogs like nothing and the entrance wound was the worst I have ever seen. The blood loss this round causes is extraordinary. I have also hunted with federal hst and other jhp and they perform nothing like these rounds, the energy simply tears a massive hole thru bone and other organs. I don’t carry anything but these. And much more reliable over the years than sig vcrowns or rip rounds. And not to mention liberty is lighter with much less recoil for follow up shots (if needed)
agree about less recoil, which is a nice bonus for a carry round
This is what I carry also. But for me the 9mm CD, vs a 115gr std load, has more felt recoil, which makes sense since recoil is more about energy than weight, and these are +P loads.
Thanks for sharing about the hunting with these, super interesting.
Do they impact same as 115 grain or is impact point different due to grain difference
@@cccboarding it should drop less than other rounds. But not because of weight but because of speed. Time to target is less so gravity will have less time to work on the bullet.
@@brandonb417 the twist rate could also fail
To stabilize the bullet That weight and speed causing some to veer but you woukd have to test it
I thought this all was gimmicky too. Wow. That was impressive
Besides shotgun pellet this is some of the best home defense ammo around for reducing the chances of over penetration, and going through multiple walls that you don't intend to.
Glad to see the channel growing!
I’m a lover of the 9mm and 45acp and in digging those rounds! Especially for summer use! Great video!
Awesome! We'll be the in what this ammo does against different targets, especially with cloth layers, or a meat target with bones involved. Keep up the great work!
Paul Harrell did the test on that with his meat target... ruclips.net/video/nyLVu_3pOO4/видео.html
Loving the channel! Hope it takes off for you brother!!
That flash inside the gel is called sonoluminescence.
Man I'm glad you're doing this one because I just got a box off my front porch so I'm gonna enjoy this 👍👍👍👍👍✅✅✅✅✅
Yeah bro keep the videos coming bro. I hope you can keep them coming
Good to see you're doing better.
I have a couple boxes of this ammo in my drawer never tried it yet now I want to crazy stuff thanks for sharing this super informative 👍
Im from London KY so stoked to see a fellow Kentuckian out doin what we do best raisin hell and Shooting stuff
im digging your new intro brother keep progressing through this you toob grind man the videos are getting better and better!
Thank you, this year imma really take shit way more serious
Doesn’t meet fbi protocol…. Good thing I don’t work for the fbi.
Thanks for this man got some in a 300 blk always wondered how it reacts to soft tissue.
What’s more impressive than the ammo was the lightings upon the gel blocks. Great video
I know I thought it was pretty awesome myself
I would love to send you some M855A1 and MK 318 SOST to test at different barrel lengths in that gel. Great review thank you.
It works, tried it on the wife’s out of date vest after she got a new one for the hwy patrol
Thats a good test with multiple rounds. Now I got to pick up a few boxes.
I prefer my Hst’s but loved the video and really enjoy your channel!You deserve more subscribers!💯👊🤘
I use hst myself, I won’t ever change I don’t think
@@Whispertactical We sell the liberty in the shop I work at but Hst is king IMO! Thanks for the reply!🤘🤘🤘
Great job brother love you
Love it. Now if the suppliers will carry it. Impressive.
I hear it's loaded pretty hot too, but good stuff either way. Those 9mm move at over 2000 fps.... That's cookin
I carry these in 9 & 45 (weather/wardrobe dependant) in P365/XL and XDs 45 4.0. The destruction of tissue by either round is shocking. I also have them in 38 and 10mm, but haven't fired either.
Nice presentation. I enjoyed it.
Do they make any in 44. And 7.62?
Why not just use 9mm or 10mm? The 10mm is more powerful than a .45 and Im not sure but maybe more capacity? .45’s are big guns too
Good self defense ammo video, thanks for the liberty torch 556 lighting up the gel! Yeehaaw
P.S. Happy New Year and I to start you off I made like # 100 lol.
That is some wicked ammo for sure 👌
i carry this in my 1076, a few things i may add- the rounds being lighter makes your pistol weigh less wgen loaded, and these have less recoil in 10mm making followup shots much quicker
That 223 did pretty dang good I know the base went to about 15 in but the rest of it exploded in the first few inches those would be a great house protection round. I already carry the 9 mm in my everyday carry gun but I don't have any of the 223 rounds going to have to get some. Great video brother
Awesome
It's awesome ammo. I'd bet my life with it... Snappy, low recoil, accurate point of aim. Love it!! Liberty Defense/civil defense please send me some rounds I'll promote your brand and nothing else 24/7-365 . Excellent work and God bless you.
Another reviewer on RUclips called it a gimmick. His conclusion was pure emotion. I don't think he has a clue. All evidence that I've seen seems to indicate that Liberty ammo is very effective if not superior to most if not all other ammo for self defense.
Perfect for in-home defense, greatly reduced risk of over-penetrating into the next room or neighbor's house, plus it dumps one heck of a lot of energy into the asailant.
absolutely would be my choice of ammo
Yo big john whats going on man crazy I been here since under 3k
Can't go wrong with the 9mm and .308 versions
Loved that video..
Good ammo for in the house, it doesn’t over penetrate and dumps a lot of energy quick. Jesse James made some similar I have in my 9mm
They use to make a shotgun shell years back that shot like a rifle bullet kick wise and accuracy they was awesome!!
20k subs!!! Great job!!
Hit it last night, I was super excited
Hopefully it grows 5x+ in the next year. Come on 100k!!!
I use it out of my Ar9 9 inch. Boy that is some really hot stuff!
Everyone of those rounds in the gel blocks would most definitely have stopped the perpetrator with one to two rounds max! Which is the objective for home defense.
HOOAAH!
Good shit bud, great video. Enjoy watching ya, get down to Texas and look me up. I've got tons of guns to shoot.
Great video and impressive! If you want to follow FBI protocol's, you need to put 4 layer's of heavy denim on the front of the gel block. I don't wear 4 layer's of denim even in the winter time, but other people do. Also if you want to see another ballistic test, watch Gun Sam Revolver aficionado. He's got it down to a science. I've been watching him for year's, tell him I sent you. That 223 round would be perfect for hunting coyote's.
This is a personal defense round; not for an explosive paper punch or bear stopper. I would say bare clear ballistic is a scientific wild ass guess [SWAG] The swag factor is from my observation that 15-21" in clear ballistic is almost comparable to 12-18" of FBI pig gel at 39 degrees with a heavy clothing simulation. Fragmenting ammo is not challenged the same as clothing does to jacketed hollow point.. Personally, I'd rather have a .729 caliber 400 grain steel ball moving at 671 fps, but that is not legal from a handgun.
I believe they also use 20% gel.
Ya i have that for 9mm it's crazy how light they feel
Watch what this round does to a meat target after going through even leather clothing first is totally amazing at the damage it does. I gave up on using regular hollow points because of so many of them filling up with fibers from clothing that they fail to exspan properly. I was using underwood ammunition until I got these Liberty ones.
Extreme defender, civil defense, and hst should all be great. HST is def a step above other hollow points
Found these to be similar to Wad Cutters . Thank You
They make 2 types. The ultralights have a different case to cut the weight even more. They still make civil defense also
I seen that amd that makes sense because the ultra light is what I ordered 40 sw in and they didn’t send it because it was recalled
@@Whispertactical Must have had rupturing cases.
Man would like to see you try out the 62g controlled chaos .223 I’ve got a buttload of it i hoarded away when I stumbled upon some in a rural king in Kentucky haha.
I actually got some for 762x39 but I’ll look for it in 223
These rounds are Extremely "LOUD" and have a lot of muzzle blast, 2 things to think about if using
for carry or in home defense. I do carry the 45acp Ultra lites in my S&W M&P because it is so lite.
BEST EDC ROUNDS ON THE MAEKET HANDS DOWN
I stumbled upon these from another channel a few yrs back. I choose to go with these over the RIP rounds cause it fragments better the the RIP rounds and are considerably cheaper. Ive seen tons of gel block test on diff JHP and these by far are the nastiest/best I've seen. If your able to slow rhe video down or check around and see the temporary wound channel compared to not only the permanent wound channel, but the size compared to any other JHP is insane.
they actually deliver more energy than rip rounds, i always tell people, “they took the idea behind the rip rounds and made it effective, unlike rip rounds which are a total gimmick”
These are so much better than rip. They dont have a sketchy name if you have to use them and not look good in court, they do more consistent damage (the rip rounds really just have the small tracks from each petal. The civil defense just blows a fucking a huge tunnel and THEN flowers petals), the civil defense seems to also fragment deeper, and then has a consistent core that seems to always go to 11” from .380 through basically everything bigger
I love that ammo.
Whisper tactical I am a new subscriber. First of all awesome vid editing everything I loved everything about it. Which is why I subscribed. If you liked the 55gr 223. Try to find some 35gr ntx bullets made by Hornady this is my home defense round for my 12.5 inch. I have taken hogs and multiple pest with this round. The devastation this little 35gr does in the hog was mind blowing to me at least. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
I have the NXT bullets I just haven’t used them yet, my buddy also loaded me up 10 varmint grenades which are abiht 300fps faster than NXT….thanks bro I appreciate the follow
@@Whispertactical 300fps faster you say? Aight NOW you got my attention. You might say not to hold my breath but to late.
I have always favored the heavier bullets, but this looks interesting! 😎
Each has their uses. For the woods I use solid heavy rounds that crash through heavy bone and keeps on truckin. For populated areas a light round that energy dumps with low downrange risk on exit.
Funny thing is that we know it penetrates level3 vests we see the Damage we see the energy and yet some how it’s a gimmick 🤔 that’s how we know 99 % of people on the forum’s haven’t shot shit but paper targets at best. And yet NO one would stand in front of this gimmick ammo😂💯
I have a level 3 plate that I’ll shoot with this in my next video and a level 3a plate and I’ll bet that it won’t penetrate…I use it to shoot raccoons with and it works great but honestly I’d prefer a federal HST…I don’t think I called this ammo a gimmick and no I don’t think that because ammo is a gimmick doesn’t mean I’ll be like here fuckn shoot me with it lol, I believe with everything in me the tumble upon impact ammo is a gimmick but I still wouldn’t get shot by it cause it could still kill you if something vital was hit
Simliar principal as frangible ammo but better
Fragmentation is hell and the key to stopping power. When all the energy is released into the target, the bullets job has been completed. I would test these on drywall to find out their possible usage for home defense, not wanting over or under penetration of rounds.
This is my 40sw carry ammo in my shield❤ very gnarly stuff.
Interesting in-close performance... I'd check POI shift and grouping at various distances in comparison to other rounds.
You are not going to have a significant shift at self-defense distances.
paul harrell has the video youre looking for
I'd do everything but the video. I absolutely love ballistic testing, it's almost addictive once started.
The ultralight is a different casing which i personally like better doesn't seem to diform as much over time from chanmbering and unloading the round
I’m broke in the middle of nowhere in the mountains. My carry is an abominable amalgamation of a mag of xtreme defenders, one of federal 200 grain HSTs, one of this civil defense stuff, and one of 220 grain “bear loads”. All in 10mm. I typically just carry the defenders with HSTs as a reload but in the mountains I’m carrying all the “bear loads” I’ve got.
Yo i will mail you some ammo. do u have a PO box?
@@JohnDoe-yc6ox na your good bro, I've got a much better job now, thanks though.
only brain hits stop charges reliably and if you hit the brain, it wont matter what you hit it with.
for decades, the largest grizzly ever taken was killed by a 22 LONG, NOT long rifle to the temple from 20 ft away and a single shot rifle. Little Indian lady named Belle Twin, google it
I think the 50 grain Black Hills TSX is the ultimate light 5.56 HD round. Andrew from arfcom has a video on it in gel from a 10.5in AR. Performance is perfect. Shit is $2 a round though (only have about 5 mags’ worth).
“Only 5 mags worth” my broke ass would be ecstatic to barely fill two 30rd mags lol.
I’m so thankful for this video man, not very many videos on this brand. People hate on it all the time and call it “gimmicky” these rounds are insane, super light and super fast no matter the caliber, I don’t think you can beat these rounds for carry ammo or home defense
I have a mag loaded up with this stuff for me and my fiancé but the rest of our mags are loaded up with 77g double tap lead free which I love
Good apartment round. Less chance of down range damage with a massive energy dump on penetration.
If you need barrier blind ammo or penetration, say for bear defense or even just humans at weird angles, this ammo isn't for you.
But if you are hunting game where the vitals aren't hidden under many inches of fat and muscle, worried about body armor or overpenetration through either the target or misses flying through drywall, or want to turn your home defense pcc into something with real rifle performance at rifle speeds with rifle like damage through supersonic shock and tearing, this is the real deal.
Nice! Try turning the blocks around after your first two shots.
Round is cool kind of fragments like the “R.I.P.”
Favorite 9mm round by far
I tried civil defense before, I prefer Underwood Extreme Defender much more. I'm happy you made a video about it though. Happy New Year
I love xtreme defender but I wanted to see how a lighter hollow point reacted in the gel
@@Whispertactical yeah it was a great video. You have more of it you said at the end.. You should test it to see how it works on barriers. Get a car door from a junkyard and shoot through it with ballistic gel on the other side. That would be a cool test.
I have both but after getting the xtreme defenders I’m tempted to just have fun doing wacky tests with the civil defense stuff.
@@tomd5069 Or send them to whisper tactical and he can make videos with them.
I have a .22 cal pellet rifle. I tried a alloy pellet. It was putting them out at 1,200 fps but beyond 30 ft they was all over the place. So I dropped back down to a lead pellet. The speed dropped to about 900 fps but was hitting within 1" at 60 yards and blowing through 5/8" plywood. So speed alone isn't necessarily a good thing.
Speed kills !!!
Best ammo PERIOD.
I put these in my .380 ACP and then gave it to my brother to protect himself! Liberty Civil Defense is no joke!
Hopefully you do more videos!
I'd like to see a revisiting of this ammo on drywall and insulation...
I would trust my life on the brand. I have only been carrying the Lehigh extreme defense bullets I load myself. I should get a box to try out. I love different things. Happy Safe Shooting 🇺🇸💪.
@1:00 The "Ultra-Light" line is actually slightly different. It uses the same bullets as the Civil Defense, but with a new type of hybrid case that improves strength and reduces weight. The Ultra-Light cases come from Shell Shock Technologies. The pistol cases use an aluminum base/rim, while the rifle cases use stainless steel, and the case walls are made of a nickel alloy instead of brass. They say this provides a lot of benefits, and I can believe it. From an engineering standpoint, it seems way superior to standard brass.
OMG how he caught that round clearing the chamber!!! I will buy whatever you are selling good sir! 😂
I take it you’ve never seen someone do that but catch it in the chamber and fire it?
@@AK-ky3ou haha now that would be impressive
Great beach edc ammo.
It is impressive! I had to go buy some myself. Good for indoor self defense. Can you do another video showing the effects of the rounds passing thru clothing first? I'm worried that being a hollow point, performance will be hampered by heavy clothing, ect.
You knows what's good for indoor self defense? Mag dumping 30 rounds of 5.56 from an AR15 into someone's face. This Liberty ammunition is a gimmick.
@@timrobinson6573 thats a guaranteed way to be charged and possibly hit somebody outside or in the other room, you good brah?
paul harrell has the video youre looking for my good man!
Looks good to me.
I carry the Liberty civil defense 50 grain 9 mm in my 92FS and in my canik TP9SF.
I was sold quite some time ago when I saw this fella in a RUclips video take a level 3A vest and throw it over the door of a truck. It went through the vest and the truck door and the back of the vest and ended up getting lodged in the other truck door.
But just for shits and grins... I chose to watch a ballistics gelatin test as well. And the 9 mm 50 grain variant of this stuff blows apart into several beautiful little fragments and just opens up like a star as the back of the bullet continues going through for a little while.
I've got a bad back ( 3 broke vertebrae) I carry it. Makes a difference in carry weight and the performance is stellar. They bleed out if nothing else. Kind of hard to get all the pieces.
How are you carrying anything after breaking 3 vertebrae? That’s one hell of a recovery.
@@tomd5069 grace of god...never did surgery( workmen comp put me off it it was too late to operate).been 17 years ago. Now I have a compression issue, legs will go numb. One broke at my hips one upper lumbar and one between my shoulders. I hit a horse in a company truck. Was lucky that she was going to foal with in the week or she would have got in the truck with me. Hit her in a s10 about 50 mph.
@@Rumpleskin such a recovery is even more incredible considering the absence of surgery….
@David Amendola I appreciate it...
@David Amendola I do
Oh I definitely have some experience with this ammo lol
Well you know what that weight it won't over penetrate. It looks like it does the most of the damage right from where the impact is.
I have used that ammo but ultimately went with underwood extreme penetrators or gold dors over the civil defense was mainly due to when you are on the range training you shoot 115 or 224 ball ammo or hollow points which are point of aim point of impact(pretty much). But the civil defense being a lighter projectile will have a totally different point of point of impact even at 7yds. So under stress you will not have time to think about having to correct a shot to make it hit and you will be even farther off the more distance you have. I have not tried the 5.56 so I cannot speak for that but i would definately compare it to what you zeroed the rifle with. Just my 2 coppers worth of experience anyways happy and healthy new year to you and your family. Keep up the good work
I’ve shot literally hundreds of hogs with my 10mm and speed they drop with liberty Ammo from chest shots is as fast or faster most of the time than 6.5 Grendel out of my sbr. No other handgun ammo does this unless it is over 1900 fps. The internal bleeding and damage is so much greater than the slow ammo It’s insane. Hydrostatic shock causes real damage at 2kish+ velocities.
This ammo is so far superior than everything else in handguns it’s not even fair to compare.
@@jasonhas7709 that’s true! I carry an FN 5.7 for this very reason. My 9mm Glock is loaded full of this Liberty Civil defense.
@@jasonhas7709 copy pasta from all your other comments. You failed to read this specific comment tho. Concern is point of impact. How this ammo maul you fly different. And cost of training with it is harsh. Have you had to sight your weapons specifically for this or do you hold off when shooting at those hog yardages
Those rounds are kind of an apples oranges comparison. Civil defense will fragment, extreme penetrators will extremely penetrate your neighbors house as those are designed for large game, not pants drooping thugs at 3 A.M. Keep lawyer on speed dial if using them for that purpose.
I've shot the Liberty ammo through several Glocks and it shot to the point of aim in all of them and was quite accurate.
Need to test the with a carhartt jacket in front of the gel or a couple layers of heavy denim
I've commented before.
I use this in 9mm, 10mm, 45ACP, & 300AAC.
There is no joke about what it does.
I have been sold on Underwood Extreme Defender ammunition for several years. There 9mm 68 grain version has an @average muzzle velocity of 1800 fps while there 357 Sig averages 2100 for with a similar weight projectile. Good stuff.
We would really need to test it’s performance when it passes through a rib bone upon entry.
The Liberty 357 Sig hits 2450 fps out of a 4.5" barrel.
I use the 90gr +p+ and I like them alot
From studying hundreds of real shooting reports as part of my forensic training it seems more penetration would be needed. The Underwood xtreme defender 65 gr in 9mm penetrates even 3A armor with about 13 inches of damage afterward..A comparison of these 2 would be interesting..
I agree that underwood defender and penetrator are true beast. I pack it in my pistols especially my 380s
@@MichaelMiller-op5sxextreme defender, preferably +p (but the standards are good too) and possibly this civil defense are all Id use in a .380.
I just bought a case of .357 from the gun store, it's the only one they had left by this brand atm. Unfortunately, their revolver calibers aren't as impressive as the semi-autos. Still, it's my go to round for home defense as I know it won't over pen.