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Britney is the biggest example to me. The moments she does what's SHE wants are her most fan and critically loved. However her charisma and personality shines so hard that she made bubblegum pop hers in the 90s. I want her to continue in the lane of glory and chase what SHE wants. Shes always experimented but it's like her label and team is scared of her and thus control every aspect of her career and life. Same went for MJ especially when he owned alot of sonys catalog, prince during the symbol era, and george michael suing his label
A TRAP! The trap that has a lot of artists suffer, be it the ones who don't sell whose dreams were rearranged into a frankenpopstar that couldn't do anything effective or the ones who hit the big time and therefore have their money eaten by labels trying to pay themselves back for frankenmessing up other people's dreams. A TRAP!
@@nehemiahsaycsar I don't think she's a good example. No matter what Britney releases, whether it be herself or something that was sent to her and she has to record, it always sells because she always takes it to the next level.
Katy Perry’s biggest issue is she didn’t have a loyal fan base the way her peers did. She just had a lot of people who loved her hits and the moment she stopped making those hits she completely fell through the floor.
To think Britney Spears wrote many songs but they didn’t see the light of day. She had a whole album, Original Doll, that she tried to create on her own with more rock and a “live” feel, but her team squashed it.
@@malou1563100%. I Just wish all of those years of baby voice singing wouldn't have screwed up her natural voice but it did. Really hopes she can do what she wants to soon.
Having a loyal fan base is super valuable considering die-hard fans are the ones that will go out of their way to buy vinyls and CD’s instead of just streaming a song sometimes. They are the ones to buy merchandise and even drive for hours to see their faves live in concert. This will actually give the career longevity, not chasing radio plays 🤷🏼♀️
And that is why the korean pop industry is thriving. They use techniques to make sure parasocial relationships are very extreme to make their songs sell and it works. I love the “they’re not selling music, they’re selling human beings”, it describes this industry very well.
Yes!!! For example, Michael Jackson is from the late 60s but his fanbase is so loyal and protective to this day and he is gaining more younger generations fans. They are keeping his albums still on the charts, his sales and streamings are way ahead compared to other legacy artists like Madonna, Prince, and more than some current successful artists. So, fanbase does play a role in artists' relevancy.
yes!! I read that his album thriller sold 100,000 copies in 2021 alone and is in the top 20 of best-selling physical albums of 2021 so far. And most of his hits are still floating around in different charts around the world.
thats why bts is thriving, also it's normal for artists who are more dependant on the gp to have a massive hit followed by a not so successful song but I've noticed that bts never had that, each release is bigger than the previous and it's thanks to their stans
@@takemyhand1988 lorde is a huge artist are you good? lmaoo compared to those other ones shes been doing music longer and had actual consistent mainstream hits.
I think of Marina Diamandis in the same category as Charli! She’s never had that mainstream Top 40 success in the US, but her fan base is niche and very loyal! She’s evolved so much through each era, and her fans eat it all up.
She might not have a billboard top 40 hit but in Europe marina has had hits on various charts. Here in Ireland she’s always charted with her albums and singles. Everytime im in the car recently her song Ancient dreams in a modern land is on the radio.
I love Marina, but I feel like she didn't even try with her latest album. It feels like she just threw something together and said, "Good enough." So many of the lyrics are just cringy and lack her typical wit and charm. I'll just keep playing "Love+Fear" until the next one.
@@IsomerMashups ancient dreams in the modern land is pretty good it’s definitely top 3 in her discography the lyricism isn’t cringe it may sound like it or maybe a just a bit repetitive but ancient dreams in a modern land is like a mixture of family jewels and Electra heart.
I feel like Miley going for a more rock sound with Plastic hearts was a great move. It wasn’t as commercially successful as Bangerz, but I feel like now she seems more true to herself, has a more recognizable sound and style and it feels like she’s gained some sort of a new respect from people. Also those live performances and covers showed that she has a great vocal ability and I hope she continues to put it in good use
Plastic Hearts became enormous in Europe though. Midnight Sky was a smash hit in the UK and the Dua Lipa feature on Prisoner put her back on the mainstream pop map.
@@aaliyahfoster2705 yeah, it definitely brought her back to the mainstream scene, but for some reason it still feels a bit underappreciated, but maybe it’s just me idk
@@nadia2134 IDK, I live on the west coast of U.S. and Prisoner, mostly, played all the time on the radio as well as Midnight Sky on heavy rotation on a couple stations.
Meanwhile, Lana Del Rey survived an entire decade without any Media or show appearance. She puts selfies as album cover and her fans still buy them. In my opinion, she has the most strong fan base.
Her fan base is crazy loyal they love her, I have a freind who has all her viynals. She even hung up the pictures from the viynals on her wall, and I must say that I love the aesthetic of her album photos. It's super pretty.
Freddie M was too. Prince too. Madonna too(although maybe not as talented as the others lol), James brown(MJ's idol) too, beyonce too, lady gaga too, can name quite a few ppl tbh its not rare to be amazingly skilled in all those three fields but to be as good as Jackson in all of the three things? yea thats quite rare.
@@NotJoegoldberg cause they had qualities and a personality that stood out. They stood their ground and had music that stood out and said something. Like britney makes POP but she has her own distinct way of performing
MJ's talent was beyond himself. Michael Jackson was a virtuoso composer & an excellent songwriter despite being unable to read music or play instruments well. He wrote the parts to his songs by singing & beatboxing into a tape recorder and thus created the melodies and composition. The guy's a dead set genius.
Love the topics brought up. Surprised Jason derulo didn’t come up as an artist who continues to chase the chart without a true devout following in my opinion
@@blueisblue599 agree , he's got few hit song and popular in tiktok and meme,but his voice and appearance singular to other black rapper/singer such as usher,taio cruz
Melanie Martinez would fit into the singer/ songwriter category. She has a very particular and niche writing style. Like someone could cover a Melanie Martinez song that you've never heard before, but you'd know it's her song.
taylor has built such a strong connection with her fanbase up to the point where they will stick with her through EVRYTHING , and the fact that she can still get the general publics attention at the same time is crazy . i think people dont talk about how much of a smart business woman taylor is as much as they should tbh because she put out her first album 15 years ago and has been relevant every year inbetween then and now. i do think that she doesnt want another 1989 era though bc she wants to keep her life private and that she wont attempt to get a pop hit ( im looking at you ME! ) again, n just make music for her fans
I agree. But I can picture her making another catchy pop hit but with the lyrical content of folklore/evermore. I can't imagine her making any more lyrically basic catchy hits like Me or Shake It Off.
Ppl dont leave her fanbase because she makes ridiculously catchy and good songs. Every song on her albums are extremely personal and she takes it very seriously so we know that it's not just some songwriter writing for her and shes just the face. Her fanbase grew slowly as well. The same didn't happen with katy perry, kesha, lady gaga, Avril lavigne, Kelly Clarkson, etc was because they were just the face. Nothing was entirely personal at all. Dua lipa is kinda in the same league.
@@clayen19 dude I'm the biggest avril fan ever. And I love old hits of gaga but she doesn't have the same craze as before. Lets be honest. Although I'm not a swiftie I gotta say taylor has consistent fame throughout. Like shes had parallel fame along katy, gaga, kesha, jb, then 1D, then ariana grande, dua lipa, billie eilish. The only one comparable to her is selena and nicki in terms of a decade long relevance. Then of course u have male stars like ed sheeran, drake, maroon 5 but idk about them. Edm guys like chainsmokers, zedd , martin garrix have their own fame. I dont rlly know.
@@clayen19 yaa true. Also like pop stars tend to get tired too. She has worked so much in those 5 years that she probably wants a chill life now. Look at dua lipa. She constantly performing everyday ever since 2017.
Give mariah her credit for literally writing almost her entire discography, she needs to be more recognized for her song writing talent, not just her amazing voice.
@@alexhong9119 yeah, she's produced literally everything after her debut album (she wasn't allowed to be a producer on her debut album) Edit: And the fact that she's such a consistent and great producer despite not playing any instruments adds to the talent she has
Its crazy how taylor has such dedicated and loyal fanbase even 15 years into her career and changing genres multiple times. She's still breaking sales and streaming records.
@@narru9603 no no , from most awarded country albums to most awarded pop album to winning her third album of the year for her Alternative album Folklore .
I mean, the genres she touched aren't so different and usually tend to go hand in hand with each other. But, it's still fascinating that she is always at the top, and hasn't had that big of a low point
@@freddysamjacob363 yeah but how many pop artists have done country music? Or pop artists doing indie? It's rare nowadays considering she switches genres like every 3 albums or so. Her songwriting is always pop driven (except in folklore and evermore) but it's impressive nevertheless
@@candelajordi7703 Yeah. It's still great that she can do what she does. Also, Now I feel like Olivia Rodrigo is trying to come up with a similar range of influences with a different aesthetic, and I feel like she's succeeding as well, Which is a big achievement for Taylor, as she has inspired it
She has a very distinctive voice, I thought he was really wrong here. But she is in the wrong genre. I think she should switch to rock or punk or something along those lines.
@@Raccocooney Agree. Everytime I hear her sing, I think wow I need to listen to more of her music but she doesn't really have that presence so I almost forget about her until someone brings her name up again.
@@Raccocooney She recently said in an interview that she wants to eventually move on from pop music and I was so shocked and happy. I never thought I would see the day she would say that and I think she's starting to look for what really feels true to her instead of bland EDM hits
I really love Bebe and I’m sad her album flopped but I understand why. I don’t understand what it was trying to be or what the songs were trying to say. One minute it’s ballad pop, next it’s trap and then pop with elements of rock. I really wish her label would let her have free rein and let her make a rock album. 🥲
the thing with selena is that is hard for non selenators to believe her when she says she works so much on her music when she’s not credited as a songwriter on most of her songs and when her voice used to even be better on her disney days. i love her personality and some of her songs but she needs to step up a little if she wants to be taken seriously
I was o hyped for what would come after Bad Liar, Fetish and even Wolves. Specially the first two, I thought fit her voice so well and would make so much sense for her. Then she kinda of disappeared and came back with stuff in a completely different direction. I like her, but she needs to find a lane and stick to it.
@@miaa1762 the bad liar era ended when she had her kidney transplant ... that time where she released music in 2017 to 2018 is considered her droplet era as they don't belong to a specific album.
i’d say there’s about the same amount of kpop artists writing their own music as pop artists. in most cases, the standards are way higher for kpop performances than western ones, so they put a lot of work into their music regardless of if they write it or not
@@radhikaananthasubramaniam2037 still. I guess its a matter of opinion but I consider artists who aren't great songwriters and vocalists and are just good performers to be a tier lower than singer-songwriters(good ones). A lot of people can perform well lol, a lot of people can dance just as good as if not maybe even better than most(most is keyword here not all) Kpop idols especially if they get the same training they did lol but being a great singer-songwriter nowadays is v rare and imo is a much more note-worthy skill than just being good performers, on top of that not ALL Kpop artists are great performers, only v few are. I did watch a lot of them perform and only v few idols' dancing was 'great' most idols' dancing was just above average and some are just average. I heard that they are extremely charismatic and have amazing stage presence, so I watched videos of them and could literally feel nothing..NOTHING! zero charisma, I'm pretty good at sensing charisma, imo charismatic performers would be elvis, Michael Jackson, prince, Diana ross, James brown, Freddie mercury, beyonce, Britney during her prime, madonna during her prime etc. but when I watched Kpop artists perform I never sensed or felt any charisma or magnetism oozing out of them and their stage presence was quite average or just bad, only vvv few were actually rlly charismatic and had good stage presence most of them are just overhyped by the fans I feel like. And I do know that there are a few Kpop artists who are good vocalists, songwriters and performers, they have my respect and I think they are great but I'm talking about the ones who are mainly only performers and are average in the other fields, cuz theres a lot of em in Kpop and the ones who do more than just perform are kinda rare.
With Ariana Grande, the case is different. She is completely capable of bringing the house down by being a vocalist, with just a mic, like she did at her first AMAs performance. However, she CHOOSES to be performer and do choreography, use stage props and outfit changes. Not to mention her recent songs don't showcase her vocals that well. When I think of a big, dramatic and impactful VOCAL performance, I think of tattooed heart, honeymoon avenue, thinking bout you and just a little bit of your heart. I believe she can qualify as both types and she therefore oscillates between these two facets of her artistry. Likewise with Taylor Swift, but with singer-songwriter/performer. She often puts on grand performances (1989 tour, Reputation tour, artist of the decade performance), but emotional acoustic performances is where she shines as a songwriter (e.g. the long pond studio sessions, all too well). She is capable of emotionally moving people with just a mic and a guitar, like a true songwriter. Mariah Carey is one of the rare cases where the vocal skills and the songwriting skills are equally prolific. People don't appreciate the latter enough.
@@ichokedonadoritoonce7670 i agree. Idk why ppl are pushing this thing of Ari being a top tier songwriter so much. Her writing style is not that distinctive
"There is no hierarchy to me. Its all in the music itself." Thank You Honest, for saying that. I am tired of people pitting people against each other when those two artists fall in completely different categories, not hierarchy, but categories where they shine.
THIS is why I respect Lady Gaga so much! She writes almost everything she puts out and she does different genres, that's why she's not on the radio all the time. She is an amazing songwriter, singer and performer .
Yess!!! She is a perfect example of how to stand out and make a name for yourself in the industry. Her debut album is FANTASTIC, I often forget it's her first album because it's just so iconic with songs like Poker Face, Paparazzi, Alejandro, Bad Romance, Just Dance...
I’m sick of singers getting extra praise just because they write their own hits! When they’re are artist like Rihanna and Ariana Grande who are taking a chance and giving songwriters a job.
What I love about Taylor is that she is not the greatest vocalist but: her singing abilities as a songwriter are WAY better than the songwriting abilities of a performer. Like, she is a good singer even though she is a songwriter first, and artists that are just performers can't write a song at all. And she produces, puts on a hell of a show and plays instruments BTW, I think people underestimate her singing abilities sometimes. But then again, she is one of the greatest without her being recognized for it so I'll let it slide
ALSO let's talk about how she improved so much vocally, starting from lover/reputation era. She has explored her lower register in her recent works (folklore, evermore, fearless tv) and she sounds so good. she's definitely so underrated as a vocalist. her songs are so wordy which require exceptional breath control and she performs them with the right amount of emotions
She has improved so much, and she can do different things stylistically. I think when she started out she wasn’t a great vocalist, but these days I would say she definitely is. Evermore and Folklore are such soothing listens.
nope. taylor is a very mediocre singer. pick a random person off the street and they can sing as well as if not better than taylor. before autotuned mics were popular we could hear how off-pitch her vocals were. she's a D list singer for a reason.
I think Selena is too hard on herself. I don’t know what she means by being taken seriously. I’m thinking maybe she wanted to reach a different fan base. But I don’t think she should be disappointed. She is a very successful pop artist.
@@darraghcollins1374 of course she is. she's been in the industry twice as long as ariana yet ariana is 100x more successful. she's very jealous that she never had ariana's success.
@@ralph9829 lmao. selena gomez is literally a blackfisher. the only reason she doesn’t get dragged for it is because she’s irrelevant and nobody pays attention to her.
@@ralph9829 lmao. you must have missed her interview magazine photoshoot. she looked blacker than michelle obama. and her 3rd most recent insta post she literally looks 10 shades darker than her real skin tone lmao.
Bruno Mars Is one of a few examples of artists today who does it all as a singer, songwriter and performer. He's written and produced every song he's done (even his features), is a multi instrumentalist, dancer and vocalist and has even written hits for others too.
@@terencejulius5352 oh you’re one of those people lol. Better tell the other non black people who do R&B to stop too then. Or infact tell everyone to stop any genre since its all black anyway. Get a life please.
I feel like Bebe still has a chance to become a hit. But she needs to build a distinct style and image. Selena's music is okay, I particularly loved Bad Liar and I wish she'd do more music like that
I think Bebe needs to try to leave her label, she's already a big enough artist that if she releases an independent album it'll probably have some success or at least as much as her last album. Selena just isn't fit for the music industry imo, she has millions of dollars and plenty of people on her team, she has no excuse at this point to be as bland and generic as she is. If she wants to continue music she really should join a band again because that was the only time her music shined.
It’s all down to Bebe’s label. They are screwing her over. She has so much potential. I love Selena, her music has never been groundbreaking but she knows how to make a bop. I want to see a more “bad girl” side of her, like what we got a glimpse of with Fetish and Bad Liar. I think she needs a “reputation” type era
@@RoKer13 I think Rare would have done better with different artwork (like the deluxe artwork rather than the standard one) and more and better single choices. The first two singles were good (although releasing Look At Her Now right after Lose You to Love Me set the former up for failure). Rare (the song) should have never been a single. There are so many great songs like Dance Again and Ring that would have been terrific singles. Also Souvenir from the deluxe is a brilliant song - wasted potential. Idk why they picked Boyfriend as the deluxe single, that is a terrible song. I really like Selena, but she definitely has to take control of her music career a little more. Revalacion is a beautiful EP and she hasn’t really tried to promote any of the songs at all other than the music videos.
@@annnyala she needs to leave her label and pursue her dream of releasing rock music! She can definitely carve out a niche for herself and make it big, especially considering her songwriting and producing abilities
a lot of this is because of record companies which really sucks. musicians want to get into the industry and will do whatever, even if it means risking artistic integrity and becoming another pop girl following the nondescript, boring blueprint. they either have no creative control or they lack creativity altogether.
I think demi is also a non descriptive artist, they're just there, they don't do anything groundbreaking for their music, i mean we know they are a good vocalist but that's it, they've never had a huge moment in their career and sometimes it feels like they just don't care or they're chasing a hit, they also don't have a definitive sound, it's crazy this happens to them considering that some of their peers are now considered well established artists that have made a huge impact in the music landscape, and demi has been in the music industry for over a decade and they don't have the status that a lot of their peers have
I think Demi's problem was always mental stability. Now too much time has passed without the expected growth and honestly I think it's too late for them. Mental strength is the the most important aspect of longevity I think , you have to want it enough to focus exclusively on your career ; talent without mental strength is nothing. Furthermore when people suspect that you don't have the focus to make it very far ;they don't invest as much in you ;which is why Demi is always having problems with management behind the scenes.
@@tariromoyo348 yeah that's probably right but it's also kinda sad bc they seem interested in becoming a force in the music industry and yet they can't get there
@@michaelvalverdenavarro7690 A person can be interested but not be willing or able to put in the real work that it takes ; the real work is consistently performing , writing or releasing albums and drumming up interest from fans . It takes a lot of effort and stability to be that consistent.
IMO Rihanna is above every category and genre, she's done it ALL: pop, rock, R&B, rap, dance/electronic, reggae, country. honestly i think that she put her personality in every single genre/album/song, that's what sets her apart from other "general" artists, she's able to evolve and transform herself as the years go by. personality plays a key role in this industry.
Yep and let’s also talk about how crazy dedicated her fandom is. Like miss gurl is out here gaining more views ,streams daily from albums she released 10,14,5 yrs ago than most artists daily work. She can literally be gone for 7 yrs and still comeback to an audience. That’s some power right there.
I kinda feel bad but I put Bebe in the same lane as Rita Ora. Everyone knows the name and the occasional headlines but not the music. Rita Ora has a great voice but it feels like she's just waiting for songwriters to give her the songs before she starts actually working on her stuff, like that Ed Sheeran-penned tune of hers.
not y’all lumping all the Albanian girls together💀 I don’t think Bebe is in the same lane as Rita or Ava. I think she has put a lot more into her music than the other two.
@@kwadwothestan The problem is since all or them have gotten their hits out of EDM/Dance music people dont really see much of a difference on the artistic/musical side
@toorf I read somewhere in the comments that it’s her label holding her back, I hope she could write something very personal for herself and releases it one day for fans.
Another one is melainie martinez she has a great distinctive sound, she's a good writer and has a loyal fanbase and when her second album dropped even people who wasn't her fan was playing it
@@rakhimpowers3185 I used to judge the heck outta her like omg she’s weird and childish. It’s not until I listened to crybaby and watched some of the videos. My mind changed and ever since she’s been one of my favorite artists ever. The way she incorporated that aesthetic and articulates complex topics in a way that a child could understand is so fascinating. Truly talented. Can say the same for k-12.
Taylor Swift is excellent at promoting herself and building a strong connection with her fanbase (through secret sessions, "swiftmas," constantly replying to her fans' tweets and such). Even during the 2016 "scandal" when everyone cancelled her for being framed, her fans stuck with her through thick and thin. She makes excellent and catchy songs, has versatility of voice, fleshes out the b-sides in her album (her b-sides are actually considered better than her singles by her fans, which served to add to her longevity), gives a lot to her fans, is hilarious and well-spoken/intelligent, she gathers new fans every time she releases music and her old fans always stay. She's definitely going to last very long. In addition, the new generation of artists will definitely reference her name time and time again as someone who inspired them. her name will become inescapable. she's probably going to go down as a legend.
It’s obvious too when you look at the artistic and vocal improvement of Selena’s counterparts, Demi and Miley, who have improved tremendously in the same amount of time. I think if Selena wants to be taken seriously as an artist like the other two, she needs to start branching out vocally and artistically.
But when she tried to grow up artistically with era such as Fetish, Bad liar or even songs like Good for you. she wasn't taken that seriously. If I were her I'd probably be frustrated too.
Even when selena branched out artistically, ppl were quick to comment "can't sing" , "generic" even without listening to her droplets and latest album. Here the fault lies with the industry and public. Not her
@Celia Yota She has many good preformances that are overshadow by like 15 bad and people who bully her. That's probably why she's not longer feeling confident in all of that.
@@vinuthna3135 I think that’s because in the 10+ years of her singing career, she hasn’t improved her voice(even before she had lupus and her other issues she never seemed to improve) So I guess the public is just tired of that. it doesn’t add up if you wanna be taken seriously as a singer but almost every time you sing live, it’s lipsync or it’s a below average performance. I do think that Selena tried to branch out to other types of genres, but she definitely is pop/EDM most of her career
One thing I’ll give Taylor for singing is that despite not being the best singer, her lower range is gorgeous and whether or not people like to admit it, her voice is very unique. There’s so many people who can do Ariana/Celine/Mariah impressions flawlessly but I’ve never once heard an accurate impression of Taylor’s voice.
I don't remember what artist it was, they were a small indie artist, but her voice sounded almost exactly like Taylor's except she had a little more range. I wish I could remember who it was cause when i first listened to her I thought I was listening to a Taylor Swift song lol.
thats why nobody wants to have any impressions of taylor's voice is because her voice isnt that interesting and distinct for other singers to copy lmao and she isnt really known as a really vocally talented singer like ariana and mariah and whitney etc. and she has no unique singing style while the singers you mentioned has a very specific way of singing and you will instantly know its them while taylor's voice sounds like any untrained singers out there
@Lex Baker Yea and it also just makes the loyal fans you do have feel bad if something "flops". As a singular fan you cant do much about it and it kinda hurts when one of your favorite musicians always makes you feel down bc your support was "not enough". You should really focus on the fans and community you do have. Like, Im sure there are absolute Bebe Rexha STANS out there - but always setting unrealistic streaming/views goals and posting about not reaching them really sucks the entertainment and genuine passion for music out of an artist - it destroys the illusion and people just start to follow someone else.
Yes I feel this way too! Like she is constantly talked down too and about and I hate it. I’m not a huge Selena fan but I feel like she is mistreated And I never understand why people talk about her
@@carlgrimeseyepatch27 yeah, like we understand she is not the greatest vocalist however there are things that are holding her back. Besides that, she has the right to make music and sing even if she's not the best singer and her fans love her work and love her for who she is.
there are reasons. some, sure, are just sexism and projection. but, alot is her own fault aswell. she marketed herself in the exact way that she's viewed, useless. she had that pretty disney girl thing, she chose to go for the trends. she chose not to build any skill or branch out. people find her to be an easy target and someone not worth anything because she doesn't take herself seriously. she doesn't try and that's what people mock. you can't moan and whine and then do nothing. really doesn't help that she is just a privileged white anerican girl. makes her come off so tone deaf. 😅
I wonder where Justin Bieber fits into these. He seems like a weird hybrid of non-descript, and singer/songwriter, even though the songwriting is not the best. I’m sorry, but how can anyone say his pen game is decent when he’s the one who gave Changes and thought putting an interlude by MLK into an album called Justice that has nothing to do with justice a good idea.
Justin is definitely a non-descriptive artist. I think his success comes from setting the standard of social media breakout stars as well as setting so many trends. People also grew up with him and he had basically no competition/peers like him when he debuted. His vocals, songwriting and performing is decent but not enough to be respected.
@@bratzscene3131 That’s completely true. The few main sources of his success was definitely lack of real competition in his age group at the time and a massive social media following.
Is he a songwriter? I highly doubt so. To me, he is down there with Maroon 5. No real substance but have a couple of safe, generic hits under their belt that the general public only listens to for nostalgia, nothing else.
Kind Of Unpopular: You can be a talented, respected and successful singer without necessarily being an artist/songwriter. Examples: Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Pretty much half the Kpop industry
agree, elvis presley is the king of rock n roll but he wrote just a few songs and none of them were hits, unlike his hits songs like burning love or jailhouse rock that were written by others but he was an awesome performer and an incredible singer so it is balanced. anyways, i love when artists write their songs bc i feel it has an special connection with them but i guess you understand my point 🧚🏼♀️ (i hope i wrote everything fine bc i'm not an english speaker hahah)
@@archive2500 yeah well said, and i think if charlie will not come more famous he isn't gonna be less famous he's just there making music and enjoying it
I have deep respect for singer-songwriters. I view them as the most talented artists in the industry with a ton and dedicated fans (Taylor Swift, The Weeknd, Lorde). Performers are among the most iconic singers in the world. They are honestly what makes the industry such a staple in pop culture (Ari, Beyoncé, Dua). The silent majority acts like Maroon 5 and Imagine Dragons are kinda mixed. They can release duds but still sell remarkably well. Everyone else tends to fall in those non-descript area (Bebe, Anne Marie, DaBaby, etc.)
Tori Kelly falls in the same category as Demi Lovato in my mind. Great voice, but she lacks the songwriting talent outside of a couple of well written songs. Artist like Lorde, Taylor Swift and Lana del Ray aren't the best singers, so they had to hone their songwriting talents to get where they are. Tori and Demi never had to do that and instead rely on their amazing voices, which shows in their songwriting.
Bring Me The Horizon would also definitely go in that category you put Frank Ocean in, a lot of people can’t name a single song from them but people still know the band and their cult following (which I will forever be proud to say I was a part of, if BMTH ever becomes a household name) has progressively gotten bigger since 2013, 8 million monthly listeners may not seem like a lot but for a rock band who didn’t have their prime in the 80s, 90s, or 2000s those are ridiculous numbers, hope they’ll become stars at some point because they’re easily one of the most exciting somewhat mainstream acts around now, especially with last year’s masterpiece (and in my opinion, 2020’s AOTY), Post Human
@@Cris-ek1nh Yep, after That’s The Spirit, almost every band in that scene wanted to try their hand at whatever BMTH was doing, some really good (The Devil Wears Prada’s The Act, this year’s Architects album), some atrocious (This year’s A Day To Remember album, Bullet For My Valentine’s Gravity)
bring me the horizon is my favorite band along with QUEEN and post human is a musically and lyrically incredible but I disagree when you say that it deserves AOTY I think folklore by Taylor Swift was the best choice for AOTY but I was really angry when it didn’t even get nominated at all
I haven't listened to BMTH since middle school, but I'm extremely happy for them. I hope they get bigger, because they deserve it. Hell, now I wanna check out their newer songs.
it surprises me how much ariana grow as an artist, she went from not having control over her music to create a great album concept with sweetener, to write her last two albums, and reducing the amount of co-writters with each one, and co-producing positions. not to mention the quality of her voice
right.. she was dubbed as a mariah rip off at the start of her career but i think when she started caring less about vocals and more about the artistry (sweetener) the gp recognised her
exactly, the only thing that kinda bothers me about her is the singles choises, she always chooses the songs that will perform better in pop radio. she should try something different for the upcoming album (which is rumored to be produced by the neptunes)
@Watermelon Ice It does showcase her vocals but differently. I get what you mean because she's not constantly belting like she used to do. And while I do miss that, there are other ways to showcase your vocal talent. On her most recent albums her lows, her whistles and her HARMONIES are showcased a lot. That's another aspect of her vocals. Also it's not like she completely stopped doing the type of singing I think you're reffering to. On "Off the table", "My hair" or "POV" she is singing singing but unlike her previous albums, she is not doing this on nearly every song so I do get what you're saying.
yes!!! She's only getting better and better. Lets hope she crafts her songwriting skills and improves her enunciation (since those are the two things people usually criticize for) and she'll become a descript artist
@Watermelon Ice i respectfully disagree with this one. Ariana uploaded some bts of her making positions (song) and it amazed me how she used her VOCALS and layer it on her songs to make it more beautiful. Mariah, Beyoncé and Ariana are some of the few artists that uses vocal layering on their songs.
When Bebe said she didn’t follow the mold, I think she must’ve meant that she went from just being a songwriter to then getting a record deal and release her three EPs and then start working on her albums. The mold would probably be how Taylor Swift, Britney Spears or Ariana Grande started, they got a record deal and the first thing they started working on, was their debut album, they didn’t give their voices or lyrics to someone else for years and then start releasing a few songs for another few years until they get the opportunity to release their debut album.
Honestly, though, that IS the mold for a lot of songwriters-turned-solo artists. Think Skylar Grey, Tove Lo, Victoria Monet or even Lady Gaga...all started off writing for others. It's a very common "next move" for pop writers.
Carlos Asan yes she was writing songs with other people. Its Nashville. But she was like 12/13 i dont know if country male singers would sing her songs 🤷🏻♀️
I think the reason you find so much Rihanna sounding music is because half the songs that are written by most songwriters are for her, and the rejects (of which there are a lot) go around from one artist to another and finally ends up in one artist's hands who decides to take it
i see halsey as being an artist who started out as a unique and interesting artist, went the nondescript, generic route for a bit, then circled back and really showed her talent, creativity, personality, and passion with nightmare and the manic album. i’m glad she didn’t end up watering herself down for success.
I don’t want the beehive to come for me but Beyoncé was guilty of this for a long time... she said she wrote irreplaceable went everywhere told everyone in the end Neyo has to come out & tell people he wrote the whole song because she never gave him credit...I just wish artists would give writers credit they deserve absolutely nothing wrong with having a beautiful voice & not being able to write look at Whitney!! It’s when you’re caught out lying it becomes a problem just give credit where it’s due
@@narru9603 but that wasn't the first time she has done that tho. Bey is talented for sure but isn't really creative and often gets her ideas from other people that aren't known and claims those ideas as her own. 🤷🏾♀️
@@aleliahhh exactly it’s not the 1st time also she’s signed to her husbands label 😂😭 probably has the most control out of anyone over her work & still decided to be dishonest I still think she’s talented but I can’t respect her as much for lying
@@Michelle-do1ui exactly people always seem to make excuses for her but bash other folks who do the same.. Bey is talented but not creative enough to come up with her own ideas.
@@aleliahhh there’s absolutely nothing wrong with taking inspiration but to just flat out steal other peoples work & claim it as your own I can’t respect that & it blows my mind people just let her get away with it 😳 & unfortunately she’s not the only 1 Jenifer Lopez doesn’t even sing her earlier tracks 😂😂🤦🏾♀️
It's crazy how complicated the music industry is. I would hope that music is all about loving the stuff they put out and that it all comes from a genuine place. But that's not the case because of record labels and even the public not responding well to certain music.
Michael Jackson is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. That man was a genius in every single category including producing. He literally used to beatbox out his instruments and wrote them down when he produced his music which no other artist has done. A Perfectionist.
I feel like artists like Marina Diamandis and Melanie Martinez belong somewhere between singer/songwriter and the category with Charli XCX and Carly Rae Jepsen. They're not hit makers but they're recognizable and unique in their own right, with some songs going big and their image and style ks authentically them, not some label or team controlling them.
side note but bebe rexha even has co-writing credits for older kpop songs, including 'lucifer' by shinee from 2010 which was a HUGE hit when she was only 16
I think that Taylor has a strong connection with her fans because instead of writing about money, drugs, sex, and other things that are only lived in a very extravagant life... She writes songs that reminds you your first love, first break-up, your grandmother, favorite movie, etc... She puts a reflection of a real human being on her lyrics.
@who r u literally any other artist. Ariana has written songs about heartbreak, love, anxiety, law of attraction, not caring about others, love story about her grandparents etc. And there are other artists too.
@who r u no tears left to cry, breathin, shut up, I don't care, be alright, break free, daydreamin, just like magic etc are all about different topics other than love and heartbreak. These are some of her best songs too.
that's definitely how she first caught attention. people found her unique and interesting because she was a country girl singing and writing about being a teen girl. but that is definitely not a unique thing to her in the general music industry, especially in pop, and isn't the sole reason as to why she holds that strong connection to her audience.
taylor swift’s lower register is so underrated plus she can hit notes and sing and perform really well her stage presence is out of this world!! she’s a good amazing artist all and all
@@ti4383 why do companies do this?? Like give the artist a fighting chance at least . They may be small now but they can slowly progress later in their careers
Some other nondescript artists I can name who still make decent music are Lauv, Anne Marie, Daya and Zara Larsson . They all make good music but they’re not known for being amazing singers or amazing songwriters.
I used to be such a huge fan of Rosalía in her El mal querer era, because the album sound was so unique, the lyrics were amazing and the whole aesthetic was so good. She’s been leaning towards a more commercial sound for some time now and doing better on charts, but has kinda lost her personality along the way :(
@@loretohidalgo3533 yess, it’s sad that con altura, yo x ti, tu x mi, la noche de anoche and others got more attention than pienso en tu mirá, malamente, di mi nombre. smh
@@nadia2134 i definitely agree, El Mal Querer was fully inspired by Flamenco which really suited her well, it was refreshing and could’ve been the “it” thing for her but she started leaning more into the Reggaetón style which was kind of unfortunate tbh, El Mal Querer is one of my fav albums
I love Charli, she isn't looking to hit a number one on the billboard lists, but instead to create a sound that she and her fans enjoy. Bebe Rexha should do the same, she's not a popstar but that doesn't mean she can't have a successful career that doesn't consist of edm features
Bebe Rexha seems to hang around people in the industry who try to mess with her, as she's posted online about things people have said to her and can't seem to recognize when to get away from them early enough. The company some artists allow in can also harm their success, and also emotional health can affect songwriting output.
i feel like these non descript artist lack branding and personality see for e.g beyonce, shes strong, fierce and confident, rihanna she's more laid back, free and chilled doja cat's kinda quirky, colorful and animated but then for bebe rexha and selena you just can't point out anything distinct abt them there's no personality or distinct brand abt if lacking "flavour"
@Motown Gayes Beyoncé image has always been the same since DC. But she did do a rebrand for self titled "Beyonce' album where she was more sexy and risque than before. And yes Rihanna rebrand was from a good island girl to badgalriri for the gggb album
@Motown Gayes that’s what that person said though. Cardi b is funny and charismatic, but her rapping sucks and her constant use of ghost writers to write her hits.
Michael Jackson was inducted into: Vocal Group Hall of Fame The Songwriter Hall of Fame The Dance Hall of Fame MJ was the First & only dancer from Pop industry 👑 not to mention him also being a Producer. (Singer, songwriter, producer and performer)
Michael Jackson was the greatest vocalist and performer! Unfortunately, MJ did NOT write or produce the bulk of hie catalog. Rod Temperton wrote most of his songs, and as everyone knows, Quincy Jones was his long time producer and arranger.
@@ginoblackofficial Stop your hating and lies. The post literally says MJ is inducted into songwriting hall of fame… if rod wrote most of MJ music, why would MJ be inducted? It’s common knowledge that MJ wrote MOST of his hits songs. And Co produce along side Quincy as well. Quincy never had to produce any of Michael’s album alone, without MJ contribution as a producer. Aside his own music, MJ also wrote and produce for other artists too. If you don’t know, you better find out.
There's this new italian band going around called Maneskin who've pretty much blown up i the past few months and I think it would be really cool if you could cover their rise to fame and the probable return of rock.
they are not very "new" they became a band in 2016 or 2017... I mean he should talk about them yeah sure but to catch also on that genre more then just on mansekin. sorry for bad english
There are Singer-songwriters and there are Performers, and then there are those who manage to transcend both of those labels to become legends, like Michael Jackson & Prince. Both were infinitely talented geniuses. MJ should've been mentioned, in my opinion.
@@narru9603 that comparison isn’t fair. im not even a fan of tswift and i can see her influence in pop culture, but to compare her to THE standard of music for a lot of people….. u must be smoking and drinking
@@narru9603 r u kidding me? its already been 10 years and nobody gives a flying fuck ab taylor, to this day i listen to raspberry beret and rock with you and i’ve heard their songs all my life. taylor should be compared to people in her echelon of music or at least her genre.
@@narru9603 She's a great songwriter but let's be honest when have you seen swift give an amazing game changer, bar raising live performances? When have you seen swift give a vocal performance that would give you goose bumps? Never. She's is a singer/songwriter. MJ and Prince wrote their songs as well as gave an amazing live performances
labels should stop holding back!kali uchis label said her all spanish(and some english) album would fail yet what do you know?telepatia *BLEW* up!and was amazing for her career!
Avril Lavigne is super underrated these days. She's singer-songwriter. She write every album for every each song. She played instruments also a producer for a couple song.. I guess the reason why she start to fall because of her fourth album "Goodbye Lullaby" she took a really long break after her successful "The Best Damn Thing". Also at that time (2011) there's a lot of new pop singer, that why people start to left her.
People like to say that Taylor's songs are trash but in reality they only listen to her pop hits. All of her songs have deep meaning and can connect to you in a personal level becasue Taylor wrote the lyrics herself. That is a quality of her that fans love and makes the new generation salute to her as an artist
I don't get that argument either because her singles are still good? Like Shake It Off still sounds fresh. Blank Space is like her most streamed song. And Love Story is over a decade old and people still lose their shit over that song.
The world was changed since the pop ruled early 2000s people don’t want just a catchy song with meek performances. They want songs that bring iconic emotions, individuality, and personality and if it makes you dance too. That’s just a bonus.
This is what I found in BTS’ music, plus greatly in-depth lyricism. Been a casual listener of whatever music that will come noticeable and catch my attention (Also, I’m not a person who looks out and follows trend). Let say it has a nice beat and melody, it will stay in my ears and I will sing it whether it’s an artist from my home country or international but usually at most it stays as that, just in my ears. What I would say that I love the song if it is something that had touched me emotionally at a certain extent, and this is quite rare, and I’m not really into songs about love which is what most of the songs are all about nowadays. At first it was like that with BTS coz I only usually hear the popular ones i.e. title tracks and I was not paying attention to the lyrics. I’ve been aware of BTS for 2 yrs and been a casual fan until I encountered a comforting melody which apparently their B-side song, I searched for that and found the lyric video and then… I was a crying mess, then I had a BTS b-sides buffet, it was a roller coaster of emotions, diss tracks to comfort songs with diverse genres, that’s when I’ve become so invested in learning about them and became an army. I’m not sure if you’re already familiar with them, if people are wondering why they have a huge loyal following across generational and cultural borders all around the world is because of their music which grows along with the group members being artists and as regular people that are members of a society, thereby making a lot of people relate to it, not to mention the guys were very down to earth. Their lyrics are like thinkpieces abt societal issues, self-reflection which contains their own dilemmas and struggles, diary or anecdote, self-love and self-acceptance, motivational speech etc. They are best at turning sorrow into hope through their music which have helped and healed a lot of people. They are very honest and sincere which were evident in their music, performances, and reality shows. Not to mention, they are great great performers. Oh my…I’m sorry, 😅 I probably already have blabbered a lot. And I still have so much to say. If you are interested about each member’s writing style just search “BTS Writing Styles” by mera. The members’ writing styles is as diverse and distinct as each member’s personalities and their style is really a mirror of their personality (or at least on how I see them). On additional note, they treat hit songs as a means rather than an end. Because they are album-centered and telling a cohesive story, they lure people with their title tracks or singles that are usually upbeat with choreo that has a high chance of being a hit song, and then seal the deal with the b-sides. As Suga (a member) said, if we listen to BTS music without prejudice, we will like it. People will definitely find something they like in their 230+ songs in their discography not including solo mixtapes and soundcloud releases which varies in genre and lyrical topic. Also if you ever want BTS songs/performances recommendations, it’s my pleasure to share.
in the case of Rihanna she may not write anything but she knows what she wants, im sure she gave directions to their songwriters and producers about the direction of the songs/albums and what she wants to perform
Really good points and great takes on this subject. I really do believe that the definition of good artistry and success in music is definitely shifting especially since there are a lot of independent artists out there and those who choose to stay independent.
That's why I love Lady Gaga! She writes and produces her songs, and is a great performer (good vocals, dance, and public character). And all of this in such different styles. Plus she is very smart on the way she can do hit songs at the same time as some more alternative tracks. She created a very strong fan base too
@@ts9517 Yeah, she will probably get nominated for best actress oscar for the SECOND time in TWO movies she was in. And she has a golden globe too, for her first acting in a tv show. Like... who does that?
Unfortunately she is no longer a superstar like 2009 and 2010 and although talented, her discography is all over the place and doesn't have a big fan base hence her tours dont make massive numbers with less show, but at least she is respected and talented
@@realdavidjones1623 numbers aren't the most important, buuut after 10 years she still had one of the most popular songs ever with shallow (and some others) okay its from a soundtrack, but she did another hit with rain on me. I don't think she does it for the numbers... her albums were never *shallow* full with super generic songs made for the radios, when she COULD do it easily
The songwriting part is so true, I can't tell you how many times I pitched demos just to find out the singers are getting royalties of my song, they literally followed each note I did and changed like 3 words and got credited
Dido for example was / is an amazing singer / songwriter, performer and she even plays instruments (piano, guitar). She wrote almost all her songs. Even tho her first albums were extremely successful I think she deserved much more recognition
This video is the direct, and accurate statement of true artists, and disposable artist, I mean for example Taylor Swift, she may not have the powerhouse vocal prowess, but her songwriting ability takes up for that, now we see with 1989, Rep, Lover, she took little pieces of trends and homogenized them into her craft, but with Folklore, and Evermore she didn’t chase the trends it was all about the music, and the emotive storytelling escapist-lyrics,
I mean 1989 was totally out of the trend of 2014. At the time rnb and edm were still the trend along with what was left of bubblegum pop, but Taylor made an 80s synth record and gave another push to pop music
@@lukesays2018 You're Right she did bring back Pop, and 1989 was an experimental album with the genres of Dance-Pop, Synth-Pop, Electro-Pop, Dream-Pop, Ballad-Pop, and Pop-Rock she didn't just stay in the safe lane, and record one genre, she did it all with that album, and I don't know if you remember, but people were even doubting her as a lyricist because of Bad Blood, and Shake It Off, but when she released Blank Space (A Lyrical Pop Masterpiece) people saw that just because she switched up genres, she still possessed that lyrical charm
@Kevin Philip Quinn first of all, the original comments weren’t hateful nor slanderous to begin with, SO WHAT NOW people can’t edit or alter their words that they may have misspelled, who do you think you are? 🤨🤨🤨
Watching this video made realize that Miley was right to make her Bangerz era happen. 🤔 It was her saying with all of her chest that she was NOT just a disney girl. It was shocking and even corny sometimes but she succeeded in sending the message and making that a turning point for her career. We never saw her as a Disney girl anymore and she focused on doing what she liked with her life, her body and her music 🤷🏾♀️ Probably that's what any other ex Disney act should have done.
@@mewesquirrel6720 I agree with you 100%. But that's a whole different conversation. My comment was about how she was assertive in making a turning point in her career to change her image.
I think another part of being an artist like Taylor swift that has a strong voice but really noteable songwriting is creating a community in your fan base, like making fans feel involved and appreciated. So even if she were to drop a boring album it would still mean a lot to her dedicated fans because they know her a little better than a casual listener and can listen more to the lyrics and relate to those rather than focus on the beat or drawing appeal. I have no clue of what I just said makes sense but does anyone get what I’m trying to say?
I love the fact that haters say Taylor is fake. Bitch if she is fake she won't last 15 years in the music industry. Only a GENUINE person can manage to build a huge fanbase, have a succesful career for many years and be relevant until now even after new popular artists appear.
The Problem with Artist like Raye, Bebe, Rita and more are mostly held back by Bad Labels who don't support them Financially or let them Grow Sonically
Hold up, Doja Cat didn't start with 'Moo!', she already had a whole album prior to that and countless songs on Soundcloud. 'Moo!' allowed her to be noticed but she was already making her own music ages before that
I see Bebe issue the same as Tinashe before she went independent again. It seems like her agency is trying hard to market her so they are pushing her in the wrong direction and probably something when didn't want. Maybe if she went Independent she would excel and truly build a loyal stable fan base.
It must really be frustrating as an artist to be advised-to the point of being forced to make music “that sells” but at the end, it didn’t sell.
ONG LMAO
Of course, but if you really are an artist and not just someone who wants to be famous, then thats not a mistake you'd make more than once.
Britney is the biggest example to me. The moments she does what's SHE wants are her most fan and critically loved. However her charisma and personality shines so hard that she made bubblegum pop hers in the 90s. I want her to continue in the lane of glory and chase what SHE wants. Shes always experimented but it's like her label and team is scared of her and thus control every aspect of her career and life. Same went for MJ especially when he owned alot of sonys catalog, prince during the symbol era, and george michael suing his label
A TRAP! The trap that has a lot of artists suffer, be it the ones who don't sell whose dreams were rearranged into a frankenpopstar that couldn't do anything effective or the ones who hit the big time and therefore have their money eaten by labels trying to pay themselves back for frankenmessing up other people's dreams. A TRAP!
@@nehemiahsaycsar I don't think she's a good example. No matter what Britney releases, whether it be herself or something that was sent to her and she has to record, it always sells because she always takes it to the next level.
Katy Perry’s biggest issue is she didn’t have a loyal fan base the way her peers did. She just had a lot of people who loved her hits and the moment she stopped making those hits she completely fell through the floor.
Makes me wonder if shed ever had tons of devoted fans, or tons of devoted lady gaga haters
I just think Katy flopped heavily after Prism era tbh. Stuff wasn't the same. Didn't get the vibes I got from TGIF and Hot N' Cold.
@@FlyingCookie13 yeah
i was a loyal fan base lol
Mainly because Max Martin stopped writing for her and focused on Ariana Grande
To think Britney Spears wrote many songs but they didn’t see the light of day. She had a whole album, Original Doll, that she tried to create on her own with more rock and a “live” feel, but her team squashed it.
If she just mixed Mona Lisa properly and used her actual voice I just know it would have been a top 5 hit
@@malou1563100%. I Just wish all of those years of baby voice singing wouldn't have screwed up her natural voice but it did. Really hopes she can do what she wants to soon.
yup!!!! idc but original doll would’ve been one of her best albums… who knows maybe she’ll release it when she’s free 🙏
It's also been said that she co-wrote some of her hits like Overprotected but she wasn't given credits
@@sararubicubi I would not be surprised if that was true she is treated horribly.
Having a loyal fan base is super valuable considering die-hard fans are the ones that will go out of their way to buy vinyls and CD’s instead of just streaming a song sometimes. They are the ones to buy merchandise and even drive for hours to see their faves live in concert. This will actually give the career longevity, not chasing radio plays 🤷🏼♀️
And that is why the korean pop industry is thriving. They use techniques to make sure parasocial relationships are very extreme to make their songs sell and it works. I love the “they’re not selling music, they’re selling human beings”, it describes this industry very well.
having a loyal fan base is what gonna make you last not tiktok hits thats facts
Yes!!! For example, Michael Jackson is from the late 60s but his fanbase is so loyal and protective to this day and he is gaining more younger generations fans. They are keeping his albums still on the charts, his sales and streamings are way ahead compared to other legacy artists like Madonna, Prince, and more than some current successful artists. So, fanbase does play a role in artists' relevancy.
yes!! I read that his album thriller sold 100,000 copies in 2021 alone and is in the top 20 of best-selling physical albums of 2021 so far. And most of his hits are still floating around in different charts around the world.
thats why bts is thriving, also it's normal for artists who are more dependant on the gp to have a massive hit followed by a not so successful song but I've noticed that bts never had that, each release is bigger than the previous and it's thanks to their stans
Rina Sawayama, Charli xcx, and Carly Rae Jepsen aren’t massive but have very loyal fan bases
three of my favorites
Lorde too
i love them so much
Little Mix too
@@takemyhand1988 lorde is a huge artist are you good? lmaoo compared to those other ones shes been doing music longer and had actual consistent mainstream hits.
I think of Marina Diamandis in the same category as Charli! She’s never had that mainstream Top 40 success in the US, but her fan base is niche and very loyal! She’s evolved so much through each era, and her fans eat it all up.
Marina! I can respect that she has always just made the kind of music she wants and hasn’t tried to follow trends. She’s honestly amazing.
She might not have a billboard top 40 hit but in Europe marina has had hits on various charts. Here in Ireland she’s always charted with her albums and singles.
Everytime im in the car recently her song Ancient dreams in a modern land is on the radio.
I love Marina, but I feel like she didn't even try with her latest album. It feels like she just threw something together and said, "Good enough." So many of the lyrics are just cringy and lack her typical wit and charm.
I'll just keep playing "Love+Fear" until the next one.
@@IsomerMashups ancient dreams in the modern land is pretty good it’s definitely top 3 in her discography the lyricism isn’t cringe it may sound like it or maybe a just a bit repetitive but ancient dreams in a modern land is like a mixture of family jewels and Electra heart.
EXACTLY
I feel like Miley going for a more rock sound with Plastic hearts was a great move. It wasn’t as commercially successful as Bangerz, but I feel like now she seems more true to herself, has a more recognizable sound and style and it feels like she’s gained some sort of a new respect from people. Also those live performances and covers showed that she has a great vocal ability and I hope she continues to put it in good use
Plastic Hearts became enormous in Europe though. Midnight Sky was a smash hit in the UK and the Dua Lipa feature on Prisoner put her back on the mainstream pop map.
@@aaliyahfoster2705 yeah, it definitely brought her back to the mainstream scene, but for some reason it still feels a bit underappreciated, but maybe it’s just me idk
@@nadia2134 IDK, I live on the west coast of U.S. and Prisoner, mostly, played all the time on the radio as well as Midnight Sky on heavy rotation on a couple stations.
@@aaliyahfoster2705 well that’s nice to hear, it’s what she deserves
EXACTLY
Meanwhile, Lana Del Rey survived an entire decade without any Media or show appearance. She puts selfies as album cover and her fans still buy them. In my opinion, she has the most strong fan base.
omg I love her but not he picsart album cover lmaooo
@@lnkfstn preach, that was distasteful 😂
@@Oceanlinx she was just trolling us😭😭 she changed it
Her fan base is crazy loyal they love her, I have a freind who has all her viynals. She even hung up the pictures from the viynals on her wall, and I must say that I love the aesthetic of her album photos. It's super pretty.
She's white supremacist and I'm amazed why people love her ugh
To think that Michael Jackson was a singer, songwriter and performer. The anomaly, whew!
king of pop for a reason
Freddie M was too. Prince too. Madonna too(although maybe not as talented as the others lol), James brown(MJ's idol) too, beyonce too, lady gaga too, can name quite a few ppl tbh its not rare to be amazingly skilled in all those three fields but to be as good as Jackson in all of the three things? yea thats quite rare.
PERIODTTTT
@@NotJoegoldberg cause they had qualities and a personality that stood out. They stood their ground and had music that stood out and said something. Like britney makes POP but she has her own distinct way of performing
MJ's talent was beyond himself. Michael Jackson was a virtuoso composer & an excellent songwriter despite being unable to read music or play instruments well. He wrote the parts to his songs by singing & beatboxing into a tape recorder and thus created the melodies and composition.
The guy's a dead set genius.
Love the topics brought up. Surprised Jason derulo didn’t come up as an artist who continues to chase the chart without a true devout following in my opinion
Jason doesn't really stand out. He's way too similar to other artists like chris brown, trey songz etc.
Oh yeah! I forgot about him
@@blueisblue599 agree , he's got few hit song and popular in tiktok and meme,but his voice and appearance singular to other black rapper/singer such as usher,taio cruz
Jason Derulo don't need to chase hits he can make them effortlessly maybe he understands that he's mainly a singles artist
Atleast Chris Brown stands out, you can kinda see the passion he has in his Music and when he performs sometimes
Melanie Martinez would fit into the singer/ songwriter category. She has a very particular and niche writing style. Like someone could cover a Melanie Martinez song that you've never heard before, but you'd know it's her song.
Yeah that’s true
sadly timothy heller destroyed her career...
@@MajorOctofuss what happened
@@user-us7py1cy2k melanie got accused of raping her ex friend (timothy) and then she admitted that it was a lie. but sadly, a lot of her fans left.
yess i love meliane! she’s soo underrated
taylor has built such a strong connection with her fanbase up to the point where they will stick with her through EVRYTHING , and the fact that she can still get the general publics attention at the same time is crazy . i think people dont talk about how much of a smart business woman taylor is as much as they should tbh because she put out her first album 15 years ago and has been relevant every year inbetween then and now. i do think that she doesnt want another 1989 era though bc she wants to keep her life private and that she wont attempt to get a pop hit ( im looking at you ME! ) again, n just make music for her fans
I agree. But I can picture her making another catchy pop hit but with the lyrical content of folklore/evermore. I can't imagine her making any more lyrically basic catchy hits like Me or Shake It Off.
Ppl dont leave her fanbase because she makes ridiculously catchy and good songs. Every song on her albums are extremely personal and she takes it very seriously so we know that it's not just some songwriter writing for her and shes just the face. Her fanbase grew slowly as well.
The same didn't happen with katy perry, kesha, lady gaga, Avril lavigne, Kelly Clarkson, etc was because they were just the face. Nothing was entirely personal at all. Dua lipa is kinda in the same league.
@@clayen19 dude I'm the biggest avril fan ever. And I love old hits of gaga but she doesn't have the same craze as before. Lets be honest. Although I'm not a swiftie I gotta say taylor has consistent fame throughout. Like shes had parallel fame along katy, gaga, kesha, jb, then 1D, then ariana grande, dua lipa, billie eilish. The only one comparable to her is selena and nicki in terms of a decade long relevance. Then of course u have male stars like ed sheeran, drake, maroon 5 but idk about them. Edm guys like chainsmokers, zedd , martin garrix have their own fame. I dont rlly know.
@@clayen19 yaa true. Also like pop stars tend to get tired too. She has worked so much in those 5 years that she probably wants a chill life now. Look at dua lipa. She constantly performing everyday ever since 2017.
@@clayen19 who could ever leave me darling ,but who could stay
Give mariah her credit for literally writing almost her entire discography, she needs to be more recognized for her song writing talent, not just her amazing voice.
yes!!!!
This is what he (honest) did
mariah is just one of the best artists of all time she’s so talented
Last but not least, she produced almost her entire discography, too!
@@alexhong9119 yeah, she's produced literally everything after her debut album (she wasn't allowed to be a producer on her debut album)
Edit: And the fact that she's such a consistent and great producer despite not playing any instruments adds to the talent she has
Its crazy how taylor has such dedicated and loyal fanbase even 15 years into her career and changing genres multiple times. She's still breaking sales and streaming records.
@@narru9603 no no , from most awarded country albums to most awarded pop album to winning her third album of the year for her Alternative album Folklore .
I mean, the genres she touched aren't so different and usually tend to go hand in hand with each other. But, it's still fascinating that she is always at the top, and hasn't had that big of a low point
@@freddysamjacob363 yeah but how many pop artists have done country music? Or pop artists doing indie? It's rare nowadays considering she switches genres like every 3 albums or so. Her songwriting is always pop driven (except in folklore and evermore) but it's impressive nevertheless
@@candelajordi7703 Yeah. It's still great that she can do what she does. Also, Now I feel like Olivia Rodrigo is trying to come up with a similar range of influences with a different aesthetic, and I feel like she's succeeding as well, Which is a big achievement for Taylor, as she has inspired it
@@freddysamjacob363 yeah I totally feel that too
Bebe's voice is def very distinct but her music do be lacking sometimes
She has a very distinctive voice, I thought he was really wrong here. But she is in the wrong genre. I think she should switch to rock or punk or something along those lines.
@@Raccocooney Agree. Everytime I hear her sing, I think wow I need to listen to more of her music but she doesn't really have that presence so I almost forget about her until someone brings her name up again.
@@Raccocooney She recently said in an interview that she wants to eventually move on from pop music and I was so shocked and happy. I never thought I would see the day she would say that and I think she's starting to look for what really feels true to her instead of bland EDM hits
I really love Bebe and I’m sad her album flopped but I understand why. I don’t understand what it was trying to be or what the songs were trying to say. One minute it’s ballad pop, next it’s trap and then pop with elements of rock. I really wish her label would let her have free rein and let her make a rock album. 🥲
@@BebeRexhaWorldwide do you have a link to the interview? I’d love to see
the thing with selena is that is hard for non selenators to believe her when she says she works so much on her music when she’s not credited as a songwriter on most of her songs and when her voice used to even be better on her disney days. i love her personality and some of her songs but she needs to step up a little if she wants to be taken seriously
I was o hyped for what would come after Bad Liar, Fetish and even Wolves. Specially the first two, I thought fit her voice so well and would make so much sense for her. Then she kinda of disappeared and came back with stuff in a completely different direction. I like her, but she needs to find a lane and stick to it.
@@spokeforhours same. I love Selena but she jumps musically so much. The bad liar era didn't even have a proper ending, smh.
@@miaa1762 the bad liar era ended when she had her kidney transplant ... that time where she released music in 2017 to 2018 is considered her droplet era as they don't belong to a specific album.
@@eg9986 those are the only song of Selena that I can respect, not generic at all and so different but in a good way
if her voice got worse then she needs to pack it up in my opinion. Songwriting might be her calling.
A lot of kpop artists are just performers
And amazing ones at that.
Exactly
i’d say there’s about the same amount of kpop artists writing their own music as pop artists. in most cases, the standards are way higher for kpop performances than western ones, so they put a lot of work into their music regardless of if they write it or not
Yes, just like Ariana,Justin, Rihanna, but korean artists also do crazy choreography
@@radhikaananthasubramaniam2037 still. I guess its a matter of opinion but I consider artists who aren't great songwriters and vocalists and are just good performers to be a tier lower than singer-songwriters(good ones). A lot of people can perform well lol, a lot of people can dance just as good as if not maybe even better than most(most is keyword here not all) Kpop idols especially if they get the same training they did lol but being a great singer-songwriter nowadays is v rare and imo is a much more note-worthy skill than just being good performers, on top of that not ALL Kpop artists are great performers, only v few are. I did watch a lot of them perform and only v few idols' dancing was 'great' most idols' dancing was just above average and some are just average. I heard that they are extremely charismatic and have amazing stage presence, so I watched videos of them and could literally feel nothing..NOTHING! zero charisma, I'm pretty good at sensing charisma, imo charismatic performers would be elvis, Michael Jackson, prince, Diana ross, James brown, Freddie mercury, beyonce, Britney during her prime, madonna during her prime etc. but when I watched Kpop artists perform I never sensed or felt any charisma or magnetism oozing out of them and their stage presence was quite average or just bad, only vvv few were actually rlly charismatic and had good stage presence most of them are just overhyped by the fans I feel like. And I do know that there are a few Kpop artists who are good vocalists, songwriters and performers, they have my respect and I think they are great but I'm talking about the ones who are mainly only performers and are average in the other fields, cuz theres a lot of em in Kpop and the ones who do more than just perform are kinda rare.
With Ariana Grande, the case is different. She is completely capable of bringing the house down by being a vocalist, with just a mic, like she did at her first AMAs performance. However, she CHOOSES to be performer and do choreography, use stage props and outfit changes. Not to mention her recent songs don't showcase her vocals that well. When I think of a big, dramatic and impactful VOCAL performance, I think of tattooed heart, honeymoon avenue, thinking bout you and just a little bit of your heart.
I believe she can qualify as both types and she therefore oscillates between these two facets of her artistry.
Likewise with Taylor Swift, but with singer-songwriter/performer. She often puts on grand performances (1989 tour, Reputation tour, artist of the decade performance), but emotional acoustic performances is where she shines as a songwriter (e.g. the long pond studio sessions, all too well). She is capable of emotionally moving people with just a mic and a guitar, like a true songwriter.
Mariah Carey is one of the rare cases where the vocal skills and the songwriting skills are equally prolific. People don't appreciate the latter enough.
Agree!
@@ichokedonadoritoonce7670 it would be epic if they both collab on a song!
@@zarabellastone6305 Unfortunately I don't think that would happen considering Scooter is Ariana's manager and Taylor hates scooter.
That doesn't really change what he said. And there is no shame here we still love listening to her songs
@@ichokedonadoritoonce7670 i agree. Idk why ppl are pushing this thing of Ari being a top tier songwriter so much. Her writing style is not that distinctive
the weeknd needs his flowers for being a songwriter and producer on all his music
ikr! House of Balloons literally changed modern r n b
Facts.
Fr
FR
He literally introduced dark music to the industry and changed r&b
Fun fact: Bebe Rexha, Rita Ora, Ava Max & Dua Lipa are all Albanians
albania has beautiful women ❤️
@@daviddecatoria4796 eye-
David Decatoria Albanians are white
@@daviddecatoria4796 Your comment is emberassing. I suggest deleting it.
@@010101015467 alr i already did
I’m soooo glad Mariah was mentioned in the singer-songwriter category, people tend to overlook her writing talent and homegirl is blessed in that area
Mariah's pen game is no joke
You can’t beat rakim when it comes to writing rhymes in hip hop literally rakim writes all his songs
She produces her songs as well
@@plasticlove8114 True! Anyone may throw shade at her voice, but NOT her songwriting
I didn't even know she wrote music 😂😂 learn something new everyday
I felt like Selena Gomez was a better actress than a music artist.
Alex russo
Yes she is a good actor she can act her ass of
I don't like any of her roles except Wavery Place.
@@ratpoop273 her music is good but she’s not the best singer vocally but she dose have some good songs here and there
Non of them actually
"There is no hierarchy to me. Its all in the music itself." Thank You Honest, for saying that. I am tired of people pitting people against each other when those two artists fall in completely different categories, not hierarchy, but categories where they shine.
I think he was categorizing different types of artists.
*cough* cardi and nicki *cough* literally every blk media outlet still profits off their fake beef
THIS is why I respect Lady Gaga so much! She writes almost everything she puts out and she does different genres, that's why she's not on the radio all the time. She is an amazing songwriter, singer and performer .
100% agree but she's definitely had her fair share of radio hits
Yess!!! She is a perfect example of how to stand out and make a name for yourself in the industry. Her debut album is FANTASTIC, I often forget it's her first album because it's just so iconic with songs like Poker Face, Paparazzi, Alejandro, Bad Romance, Just Dance...
That’s it!
Plus, she doesn't just stick to music. She's ventured into the film industry and the beauty industry as well.
I’m sick of singers getting extra praise just because they write their own hits! When they’re are artist like Rihanna and Ariana Grande who are taking a chance and giving songwriters a job.
What I love about Taylor is that she is not the greatest vocalist but: her singing abilities as a songwriter are WAY better than the songwriting abilities of a performer. Like, she is a good singer even though she is a songwriter first, and artists that are just performers can't write a song at all. And she produces, puts on a hell of a show and plays instruments
BTW, I think people underestimate her singing abilities sometimes. But then again, she is one of the greatest without her being recognized for it so I'll let it slide
ALSO let's talk about how she improved so much vocally, starting from lover/reputation era. She has explored her lower register in her recent works (folklore, evermore, fearless tv) and she sounds so good. she's definitely so underrated as a vocalist. her songs are so wordy which require exceptional breath control and she performs them with the right amount of emotions
She has improved so much, and she can do different things stylistically. I think when she started out she wasn’t a great vocalist, but these days I would say she definitely is. Evermore and Folklore are such soothing listens.
I think she is not a good singer at all. she is acceptable but she is either tone deaf or lacks talent/technique to sing. Incredible songwritter tho
5:49 That section of the video is for you. You carefully phrased your statement but what you're trying to say is still pretty clear.
nope. taylor is a very mediocre singer. pick a random person off the street and they can sing as well as if not better than taylor. before autotuned mics were popular we could hear how off-pitch her vocals were. she's a D list singer for a reason.
“How are you mad that people don’t take you seriously, when you haven’t put in the work to be taken seriously?” - honest
Facts man
Yesss
Selena sucks so bad: bad singer, bad performer
@@thankuslay6766 upet bcsze not gave her enough appriciation. she thinks she deserved oscar sis have u seen ur performance on AMA's
@@bhawnadhami7368 lmaoo true .
I think Selena is too hard on herself. I don’t know what she means by being taken seriously. I’m thinking maybe she wanted to reach a different fan base. But I don’t think she should be disappointed. She is a very successful pop artist.
she basically means she's jealous of ariana grande
@@darraghcollins1374 of course she is. she's been in the industry twice as long as ariana yet ariana is 100x more successful. she's very jealous that she never had ariana's success.
@@ralph9829 lmao. selena gomez is literally a blackfisher. the only reason she doesn’t get dragged for it is because she’s irrelevant and nobody pays attention to her.
@@the_secretsociety how tf do uk she is jealous of her? y’all hate on her sm it’s tiring
@@ralph9829 lmao. you must have missed her interview magazine photoshoot. she looked blacker than michelle obama. and her 3rd most recent insta post she literally looks 10 shades darker than her real skin tone lmao.
Bruno Mars Is one of a few examples of artists today who does it all as a singer, songwriter and performer. He's written and produced every song he's done (even his features), is a multi instrumentalist, dancer and vocalist and has even written hits for others too.
Calling Bruno Mars a vocalist is a joke😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@terencejulius5352 have you watched a live performance from him like versace on the floor or when I was your man?
@@terencejulius5352 NOT calling Bruno Mars a vocalist is a joke. Even honest tweeted recently about how good Bruno’s vocals are
@@dontbemad6460 I don't care what tweet what he is corny and can't sing riding the coattails of black music ......
@@terencejulius5352 oh you’re one of those people lol. Better tell the other non black people who do R&B to stop too then. Or infact tell everyone to stop any genre since its all black anyway. Get a life please.
I honestly love a lot of Selena’s music lol, especially her “The Scene” days
Me too
Selena had some good bops during her “the scene” days. I think after “Revival” was where she fell off for me though.
Yeah and me too. But that was years and years ago. She didn't really do well recently
the best Selena music era imo
@@Mysteriuminiquitatis1998 ….bitch don’t u EVER come for revival like that again that album is pop gold!!
I feel like Bebe still has a chance to become a hit. But she needs to build a distinct style and image. Selena's music is okay, I particularly loved Bad Liar and I wish she'd do more music like that
Right. If she tries a little bit more, she could have a dua lipa kinda turnaround/vibe
I think Bebe needs to try to leave her label, she's already a big enough artist that if she releases an independent album it'll probably have some success or at least as much as her last album. Selena just isn't fit for the music industry imo, she has millions of dollars and plenty of people on her team, she has no excuse at this point to be as bland and generic as she is. If she wants to continue music she really should join a band again because that was the only time her music shined.
It’s all down to Bebe’s label. They are screwing her over. She has so much potential. I love Selena, her music has never been groundbreaking but she knows how to make a bop. I want to see a more “bad girl” side of her, like what we got a glimpse of with Fetish and Bad Liar. I think she needs a “reputation” type era
@@RoKer13 I think Rare would have done better with different artwork (like the deluxe artwork rather than the standard one) and more and better single choices. The first two singles were good (although releasing Look At Her Now right after Lose You to Love Me set the former up for failure). Rare (the song) should have never been a single. There are so many great songs like Dance Again and Ring that would have been terrific singles. Also Souvenir from the deluxe is a brilliant song - wasted potential. Idk why they picked Boyfriend as the deluxe single, that is a terrible song. I really like Selena, but she definitely has to take control of her music career a little more. Revalacion is a beautiful EP and she hasn’t really tried to promote any of the songs at all other than the music videos.
@@annnyala she needs to leave her label and pursue her dream of releasing rock music! She can definitely carve out a niche for herself and make it big, especially considering her songwriting and producing abilities
Mariah is so talented it's unfair. She could sing the ingredients on a box of cereal and it will go platinum.
I like Mariah but the last time that was true, was like 2009
@@Spielmaldingens 2009 is around the last time I cared about the charts as well.
Singer/Songwriting/Performer/Queen of Christmast Songs
@@Spielmaldingens apparently she did in 2019 and 2022
@@Spielmaldingens don’t even go there , cause u know dam well none of your fav can outsing her although her voice is damaged 😭
a lot of this is because of record companies which really sucks. musicians want to get into the industry and will do whatever, even if it means risking artistic integrity and becoming another pop girl following the nondescript, boring blueprint. they either have no creative control or they lack creativity altogether.
The thing with Bebe Rexha is that she’s got so many songs out yet not a lot of people know who the artist is that sang those songs.
In that case, couldn't it be that the marketing and promotion wasn't effective for her?
@@lenamafalda That is one reason, the other reason is her songs are just too basic, too generic and indistinguishable
She seems to find her niche with “I’m A Mess”. But for some reasons, later on everything she has released first doesn’t seem to have any personality
@@patrick_oeng Listen to her new album, it has the same vibes as I'm a Mess
@John Aaron Bonifacio Llobrera I think that’s the perfect way to sum it up!
I think demi is also a non descriptive artist, they're just there, they don't do anything groundbreaking for their music, i mean we know they are a good vocalist but that's it, they've never had a huge moment in their career and sometimes it feels like they just don't care or they're chasing a hit, they also don't have a definitive sound, it's crazy this happens to them considering that some of their peers are now considered well established artists that have made a huge impact in the music landscape, and demi has been in the music industry for over a decade and they don't have the status that a lot of their peers have
Demi's pronouns is them/theirs
@@solaceseries yeah thanks for pointing that out
I think Demi's problem was always mental stability. Now too much time has passed without the expected growth and honestly I think it's too late for them. Mental strength is the the most important aspect of longevity I think , you have to want it enough to focus exclusively on your career ; talent without mental strength is nothing. Furthermore when people suspect that you don't have the focus to make it very far ;they don't invest as much in you ;which is why Demi is always having problems with management behind the scenes.
@@tariromoyo348 yeah that's probably right but it's also kinda sad bc they seem interested in becoming a force in the music industry and yet they can't get there
@@michaelvalverdenavarro7690 A person can be interested but not be willing or able to put in the real work that it takes ; the real work is consistently performing , writing or releasing albums and drumming up interest from fans . It takes a lot of effort and stability to be that consistent.
IMO Rihanna is above every category and genre, she's done it ALL: pop, rock, R&B, rap, dance/electronic, reggae, country. honestly i think that she put her personality in every single genre/album/song, that's what sets her apart from other "general" artists, she's able to evolve and transform herself as the years go by. personality plays a key role in this industry.
Mm and Rihanna has had moments that really set her a part from everyone else in her music career too.
Yep and let’s also talk about how crazy dedicated her fandom is. Like miss gurl is out here gaining more views ,streams daily from albums she released 10,14,5 yrs ago than most artists daily work. She can literally be gone for 7 yrs and still comeback to an audience. That’s some power right there.
The r&b rihanna was actually soo good
Country?
@@OpTubeShorts fourfive seconds? that sounds very country to me
I kinda feel bad but I put Bebe in the same lane as Rita Ora. Everyone knows the name and the occasional headlines but not the music. Rita Ora has a great voice but it feels like she's just waiting for songwriters to give her the songs before she starts actually working on her stuff, like that Ed Sheeran-penned tune of hers.
same with Ava Max..... they are all cut from the same cloth and are currently interchangeable.
not y’all lumping all the Albanian girls together💀 I don’t think Bebe is in the same lane as Rita or Ava. I think she has put a lot more into her music than the other two.
@@kwadwothestan The problem is since all or them have gotten their hits out of EDM/Dance music people dont really see much of a difference on the artistic/musical side
I did not know they were all Albanians 🙊🙊..... That's crazy ironic... What are the odds?..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
@toorf I read somewhere in the comments that it’s her label holding her back, I hope she could write something very personal for herself and releases it one day for fans.
Taylor might not have the most amazing vocals ( it's good though), but when it comes to Song writting, she is among the best of the best of all time.
i feel like taylor rlly pushes herself when it comes to vocals
while she is technically an average vocalist, I do love her tone very much, to me its special and emotive. One of my fav voices ever.
@@NotJoegoldberg but Taylor has great singing technic tho. I actually saw so many vocal coach saying that👀
@@mohammadshiasi2205 she bas average technique .
@@lydob2471 did I reply to you???? Mind your own business instead of hating Taylor in every comment jobless fad
Another one is melainie martinez she has a great distinctive sound, she's a good writer and has a loyal fanbase and when her second album dropped even people who wasn't her fan was playing it
That’s my girl
@@lavaniadelrey2807 RIGHT like is crybaby not one of the best albums of this generation
@@rakhimpowers3185 the entire album is a masterpiece all 16 songs of it omfg I love it so much
@@DiamantisHell RIGHT!
@@rakhimpowers3185 I used to judge the heck outta her like omg she’s weird and childish. It’s not until I listened to crybaby and watched some of the videos. My mind changed and ever since she’s been one of my favorite artists ever. The way she incorporated that aesthetic and articulates complex topics in a way that a child could understand is so fascinating. Truly talented. Can say the same for k-12.
Taylor Swift is excellent at promoting herself and building a strong connection with her fanbase (through secret sessions, "swiftmas," constantly replying to her fans' tweets and such). Even during the 2016 "scandal" when everyone cancelled her for being framed, her fans stuck with her through thick and thin. She makes excellent and catchy songs, has versatility of voice, fleshes out the b-sides in her album (her b-sides are actually considered better than her singles by her fans, which served to add to her longevity), gives a lot to her fans, is hilarious and well-spoken/intelligent, she gathers new fans every time she releases music and her old fans always stay. She's definitely going to last very long. In addition, the new generation of artists will definitely reference her name time and time again as someone who inspired them. her name will become inescapable. she's probably going to go down as a legend.
Bieber could’ve been non-descriptive but has such a dedicated fanbase he became influential
Nobody takes Bieber seriously. Only minors
It’s obvious too when you look at the artistic and vocal improvement of Selena’s counterparts, Demi and Miley, who have improved tremendously in the same amount of time. I think if Selena wants to be taken seriously as an artist like the other two, she needs to start branching out vocally and artistically.
But when she tried to grow up artistically with era such as Fetish, Bad liar or even songs like Good for you. she wasn't taken that seriously. If I were her I'd probably be frustrated too.
Even when selena branched out artistically, ppl were quick to comment "can't sing" , "generic" even without listening to her droplets and latest album. Here the fault lies with the industry and public. Not her
@@vinuthna3135 Well, I think “Revival” was a good album for her, but I thought “Rare” was more generic.
@Celia Yota She has many good preformances that are overshadow by like 15 bad and people who bully her. That's probably why she's not longer feeling confident in all of that.
@@vinuthna3135 I think that’s because in the 10+ years of her singing career, she hasn’t improved her voice(even before she had lupus and her other issues she never seemed to improve) So I guess the public is just tired of that. it doesn’t add up if you wanna be taken seriously as a singer but almost every time you sing live, it’s lipsync or it’s a below average performance. I do think that Selena tried to branch out to other types of genres, but she definitely is pop/EDM most of her career
“their enunciation or lack there of” HELP THE WAY I WHEEZED
One thing I’ll give Taylor for singing is that despite not being the best singer, her lower range is gorgeous and whether or not people like to admit it, her voice is very unique. There’s so many people who can do Ariana/Celine/Mariah impressions flawlessly but I’ve never once heard an accurate impression of Taylor’s voice.
So true! There's very few people who can sing like Taylor haha
I don't remember what artist it was, they were a small indie artist, but her voice sounded almost exactly like Taylor's except she had a little more range. I wish I could remember who it was cause when i first listened to her I thought I was listening to a Taylor Swift song lol.
Taylor's vocal range is A2 - G5 - D6. It's 3 octaves and a perfect fourth.
Because nobody tries to imitate Taylor in the first place lol
thats why nobody wants to have any impressions of taylor's voice is because her voice isnt that interesting and distinct for other singers to copy lmao and she isnt really known as a really vocally talented singer like ariana and mariah and whitney etc. and she has no unique singing style while the singers you mentioned has a very specific way of singing and you will instantly know its them while taylor's voice sounds like any untrained singers out there
Unpopular Opinion: Acknowledging your flops like Bebe Rexha is a bad idea, it makes things worse. It makes your fanbase feel guilty and uncomfortable.
@Lex Baker Yea and it also just makes the loyal fans you do have feel bad if something "flops". As a singular fan you cant do much about it and it kinda hurts when one of your favorite musicians always makes you feel down bc your support was "not enough". You should really focus on the fans and community you do have. Like, Im sure there are absolute Bebe Rexha STANS out there - but always setting unrealistic streaming/views goals and posting about not reaching them really sucks the entertainment and genuine passion for music out of an artist - it destroys the illusion and people just start to follow someone else.
yeah tbh it kinda made her look ungrateful
I feel like you're partially right about selena. However she has been the target of so much harassment for literally no good reason.
*right
yess
Yes I feel this way too! Like she is constantly talked down too and about and I hate it. I’m not a huge Selena fan but I feel like she is mistreated And I never understand why people talk about her
@@carlgrimeseyepatch27 yeah, like we understand she is not the greatest vocalist however there are things that are holding her back. Besides that, she has the right to make music and sing even if she's not the best singer and her fans love her work and love her for who she is.
there are reasons. some, sure, are just sexism and projection. but, alot is her own fault aswell. she marketed herself in the exact way that she's viewed, useless. she had that pretty disney girl thing, she chose to go for the trends. she chose not to build any skill or branch out. people find her to be an easy target and someone not worth anything because she doesn't take herself seriously. she doesn't try and that's what people mock. you can't moan and whine and then do nothing. really doesn't help that she is just a privileged white anerican girl. makes her come off so tone deaf. 😅
I wonder where Justin Bieber fits into these. He seems like a weird hybrid of non-descript, and singer/songwriter, even though the songwriting is not the best. I’m sorry, but how can anyone say his pen game is decent when he’s the one who gave Changes and thought putting an interlude by MLK into an album called Justice that has nothing to do with justice a good idea.
I agree with you. I think Justin Bieber should mostly fit in the non descript category because I don’t think he is an interesting artist.
Justin is definitely a non-descriptive artist. I think his success comes from setting the standard of social media breakout stars as well as setting so many trends. People also grew up with him and he had basically no competition/peers like him when he debuted.
His vocals, songwriting and performing is decent but not enough to be respected.
@@bratzscene3131 That’s completely true. The few main sources of his success was definitely lack of real competition in his age group at the time and a massive social media following.
Is he a songwriter? I highly doubt so. To me, he is down there with Maroon 5. No real substance but have a couple of safe, generic hits under their belt that the general public only listens to for nostalgia, nothing else.
@@voxtur__7 Exactly, I would categorize Justin in almost the same category as Maroon 5. Not very interesting but has a bunch of hits that are generic.
Kind Of Unpopular: You can be a talented, respected and successful singer without necessarily being an artist/songwriter. Examples: Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, Pretty much half the Kpop industry
That's the performer category which was mentioned in the video.
Not you lumping icons with kpop! TIMEOUT CHAIR NOW!
agree, elvis presley is the king of rock n roll but he wrote just a few songs and none of them were hits, unlike his hits songs like burning love or jailhouse rock that were written by others but he was an awesome performer and an incredible singer so it is balanced. anyways, i love when artists write their songs bc i feel it has an special connection with them but i guess you understand my point 🧚🏼♀️
(i hope i wrote everything fine bc i'm not an english speaker hahah)
@@maroonhorizon1693 hope them kpop fans don't see this. They gonna come for ur wigs🤣...I agree with u 💯
lzrn song they can do whatever they wish. Kpop is literally a rip off of black American music
Taylor Swift’s lyrics and storytelling abilities is why I adore her
That’s why I like Mariah better than Whitney and Celine
the perfect example is charlie puth, he has the talent but failed to find his sound and image
Yeah, Charlie Puth is a good songwriter, producer, and he’s a decent singer. It’s unfortunate that he couldn’t find his complete musical identity.
I personally think Charlie just doesn’t like being famous
@@tativizca4687 exactly he doesnt care for being mainstream famous, at least.
@@archive2500 yeah well said, and i think if charlie will not come more famous he isn't gonna be less famous he's just there making music and enjoying it
And I'm right here patiently waiting for #CP3. I honestly loved his first 2 albums, and idc what people say about those. Can't wait for the third.
I literally can't tell Bebe Rexa and Rita Ora apart
And they're both Albanian 🤣😅
Pls 😂😭
@@invidusspectator3920 i know Rita is but bebe also?
@@adawong6266 Oh you sweet summer child, Bebe, Rita, Dua Lipa and Ava Max are all Albanian
this is me 4 yrs ago lol
I have deep respect for singer-songwriters. I view them as the most talented artists in the industry with a ton and dedicated fans (Taylor Swift, The Weeknd, Lorde). Performers are among the most iconic singers in the world. They are honestly what makes the industry such a staple in pop culture (Ari, Beyoncé, Dua). The silent majority acts like Maroon 5 and Imagine Dragons are kinda mixed. They can release duds but still sell remarkably well. Everyone else tends to fall in those non-descript area (Bebe, Anne Marie, DaBaby, etc.)
Also, Billboard doesn't really mean commercial success. There are plenty of artists that never chart but still earn comfortable amounts of money.
Dua isnt just a performer she has writing credits on pretty much all of her songs.
Don’t forget Mariah 😉
Lady Gaga is the mix between Singer-Songwriter-Performer...
Ariana isn't just a performer, she is a songwriter too. People who have worked with her always praise her songwriting
the grammys should make this guy part of the table bc all of his videos are “honest” and they make sense he always makes a pretty good point
This channel is far less biased than the Grammys lol
I think Tori Kelly is another example. She may not be a superstar, but an outstanding artist.
Tori Kelly has outstanding singing talent. She's just underrated. Non-descrip artists neither has outstanding vocals nor great songwriting skills.
Agreed! she is very underrated and totally deserves more recognition.
She is UNDERRATED because she refused to be a popstar. She didn't want to sing mainstream radio hit.
Tori Kelly falls in the same category as Demi Lovato in my mind. Great voice, but she lacks the songwriting talent outside of a couple of well written songs.
Artist like Lorde, Taylor Swift and Lana del Ray aren't the best singers, so they had to hone their songwriting talents to get where they are. Tori and Demi never had to do that and instead rely on their amazing voices, which shows in their songwriting.
Tori Kelly has a great voice but her music sucks imo.
Bring Me The Horizon would also definitely go in that category you put Frank Ocean in, a lot of people can’t name a single song from them but people still know the band and their cult following (which I will forever be proud to say I was a part of, if BMTH ever becomes a household name) has progressively gotten bigger since 2013, 8 million monthly listeners may not seem like a lot but for a rock band who didn’t have their prime in the 80s, 90s, or 2000s those are ridiculous numbers, hope they’ll become stars at some point because they’re easily one of the most exciting somewhat mainstream acts around now, especially with last year’s masterpiece (and in my opinion, 2020’s AOTY), Post Human
BMTH is literally so influential. People judged them for switching up their sound a bit but they never lost their touch. Forever icons :)
@@Cris-ek1nh Yep, after That’s The Spirit, almost every band in that scene wanted to try their hand at whatever BMTH was doing, some really good (The Devil Wears Prada’s The Act, this year’s Architects album), some atrocious (This year’s A Day To Remember album, Bullet For My Valentine’s Gravity)
I love them! Hey
bring me the horizon is my favorite band along with QUEEN and post human is a musically and lyrically incredible but I disagree when you say that it deserves AOTY I think folklore by Taylor Swift was the best choice for AOTY but I was really angry when it didn’t even get nominated at all
I haven't listened to BMTH since middle school, but I'm extremely happy for them. I hope they get bigger, because they deserve it. Hell, now I wanna check out their newer songs.
it surprises me how much ariana grow as an artist, she went from not having control over her music to create a great album concept with sweetener, to write her last two albums, and reducing the amount of co-writters with each one, and co-producing positions. not to mention the quality of her voice
right.. she was dubbed as a mariah rip off at the start of her career but i think when she started caring less about vocals and more about the artistry (sweetener) the gp recognised her
exactly, the only thing that kinda bothers me about her is the singles choises, she always chooses the songs that will perform better in pop radio. she should try something different for the upcoming album (which is rumored to be produced by the neptunes)
@Watermelon Ice It does showcase her vocals but differently. I get what you mean because she's not constantly belting like she used to do. And while I do miss that, there are other ways to showcase your vocal talent. On her most recent albums her lows, her whistles and her HARMONIES are showcased a lot. That's another aspect of her vocals. Also it's not like she completely stopped doing the type of singing I think you're reffering to. On "Off the table", "My hair" or "POV" she is singing singing but unlike her previous albums, she is not doing this on nearly every song so I do get what you're saying.
yes!!! She's only getting better and better. Lets hope she crafts her songwriting skills and improves her enunciation (since those are the two things people usually criticize for) and she'll become a descript artist
@Watermelon Ice i respectfully disagree with this one. Ariana uploaded some bts of her making positions (song) and it amazed me how she used her VOCALS and layer it on her songs to make it more beautiful. Mariah, Beyoncé and Ariana are some of the few artists that uses vocal layering on their songs.
When Bebe said she didn’t follow the mold, I think she must’ve meant that she went from just being a songwriter to then getting a record deal and release her three EPs and then start working on her albums. The mold would probably be how Taylor Swift, Britney Spears or Ariana Grande started, they got a record deal and the first thing they started working on, was their debut album, they didn’t give their voices or lyrics to someone else for years and then start releasing a few songs for another few years until they get the opportunity to release their debut album.
makes sense!
Why Taylors name there? She had a publishing deal for songwriting before she had a recording deal… She was the youngest artist to sign with Sony.
@@isadoramoscardini6393 But was she giving out her songs and writing along with other songwriters and/or artists for anyone that wasn’t her? No.
Honestly, though, that IS the mold for a lot of songwriters-turned-solo artists. Think Skylar Grey, Tove Lo, Victoria Monet or even Lady Gaga...all started off writing for others. It's a very common "next move" for pop writers.
Carlos Asan yes she was writing songs with other people. Its Nashville. But she was like 12/13 i dont know if country male singers would sing her songs 🤷🏻♀️
Meghan Trainor is literally the epitome of this.
i forgot about her tbh
I think the reason you find so much Rihanna sounding music is because half the songs that are written by most songwriters are for her, and the rejects (of which there are a lot) go around from one artist to another and finally ends up in one artist's hands who decides to take it
i see halsey as being an artist who started out as a unique and interesting artist, went the nondescript, generic route for a bit, then circled back and really showed her talent, creativity, personality, and passion with nightmare and the manic album. i’m glad she didn’t end up watering herself down for success.
She definitely succeeds in dark alt!
@@jalapeno1119yesssssss
I don’t want the beehive to come for me but Beyoncé was guilty of this for a long time... she said she wrote irreplaceable went everywhere told everyone in the end Neyo has to come out & tell people he wrote the whole song because she never gave him credit...I just wish artists would give writers credit they deserve absolutely nothing wrong with having a beautiful voice & not being able to write look at Whitney!! It’s when you’re caught out lying it becomes a problem just give credit where it’s due
@@narru9603 but that wasn't the first time she has done that tho. Bey is talented for sure but isn't really creative and often gets her ideas from other people that aren't known and claims those ideas as her own. 🤷🏾♀️
She's a nondescript artist as well.
@@aleliahhh exactly it’s not the 1st time also she’s signed to her husbands label 😂😭 probably has the most control out of anyone over her work & still decided to be dishonest I still think she’s talented but I can’t respect her as much for lying
@@Michelle-do1ui exactly people always seem to make excuses for her but bash other folks who do the same.. Bey is talented but not creative enough to come up with her own ideas.
@@aleliahhh there’s absolutely nothing wrong with taking inspiration but to just flat out steal other peoples work & claim it as your own I can’t respect that & it blows my mind people just let her get away with it 😳 & unfortunately she’s not the only 1 Jenifer Lopez doesn’t even sing her earlier tracks 😂😂🤦🏾♀️
It's crazy how complicated the music industry is. I would hope that music is all about loving the stuff they put out and that it all comes from a genuine place. But that's not the case because of record labels and even the public not responding well to certain music.
Michael Jackson is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. That man was a genius in every single category including producing. He literally used to beatbox out his instruments and wrote them down when he produced his music which no other artist has done. A Perfectionist.
I feel like artists like Marina Diamandis and Melanie Martinez belong somewhere between singer/songwriter and the category with Charli XCX and Carly Rae Jepsen. They're not hit makers but they're recognizable and unique in their own right, with some songs going big and their image and style ks authentically them, not some label or team controlling them.
side note but bebe rexha even has co-writing credits for older kpop songs, including 'lucifer' by shinee from 2010 which was a HUGE hit when she was only 16
Wait really?? Woah...
I think that Taylor has a strong connection with her fans because instead of writing about money, drugs, sex, and other things that are only lived in a very extravagant life... She writes songs that reminds you your first love, first break-up, your grandmother, favorite movie, etc... She puts a reflection of a real human being on her lyrics.
doesnt every artist do that?
Every artists other than rappers do that
@who r u literally any other artist. Ariana has written songs about heartbreak, love, anxiety, law of attraction, not caring about others, love story about her grandparents etc. And there are other artists too.
@who r u no tears left to cry, breathin, shut up, I don't care, be alright, break free, daydreamin, just like magic etc are all about different topics other than love and heartbreak. These are some of her best songs too.
that's definitely how she first caught attention. people found her unique and interesting because she was a country girl singing and writing about being a teen girl. but that is definitely not a unique thing to her in the general music industry, especially in pop, and isn't the sole reason as to why she holds that strong connection to her audience.
taylor swift’s lower register is so underrated plus she can hit notes and sing and perform really well her stage presence is out of this world!! she’s a good amazing artist all and all
YES THEIR SO HEAVENLY 🙌 🤤
Absolutely!! Her voice is getting better and better
I think taylor swift has also a loyal fan base, people who could relate to her lyrics and will follow her in a pop album or an indie album.
Fact: RAYE’s record company stopped her from releasing her debut album for 5 years
who
When she just tweeted all of that the other day, I was shook. So terrible that they did that to her
@@ti4383 why do companies do this?? Like give the artist a fighting chance at least . They may be small now but they can slowly progress later in their careers
Yup
@@ti4383 who is that
“Or their enunciation - or lack thereof”
THE WAY YOU CALLED OUT ARI BYEEEEEE
Lol but her enunciation is quite good in her recent live
“Non-descript”? This whole time I was just calling them “sell-outs”.
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😂😂😂
Some other nondescript artists I can name who still make decent music are Lauv, Anne Marie, Daya and Zara Larsson . They all make good music but they’re not known for being amazing singers or amazing songwriters.
I think Zara is a great performer. She can dance very well.
I also wondered why Zara and Daya didn't become bigger considering the fact that they both had successful hits.
Zara is known for her singing talent
Zara has MAD pipes and can dance the house down, her label and poor promo is what’s holding her back
I used to be such a huge fan of Rosalía in her El mal querer era, because the album sound was so unique, the lyrics were amazing and the whole aesthetic was so good. She’s been leaning towards a more commercial sound for some time now and doing better on charts, but has kinda lost her personality along the way :(
also, at least for me she is trying too much to give a latinoamerican vibe and it's not working
@@loretohidalgo3533 yess, it’s sad that con altura, yo x ti, tu x mi, la noche de anoche and others got more attention than pienso en tu mirá, malamente, di mi nombre. smh
Yes it so sad. I keep hoping with each single release that something would blow me away. But they’ve just been songs made for the charts.
@@nadia2134 i definitely agree, El Mal Querer was fully inspired by Flamenco which really suited her well, it was refreshing and could’ve been the “it” thing for her but she started leaning more into the Reggaetón style which was kind of unfortunate tbh, El Mal Querer is one of my fav albums
Same I hope she goes back to her sound for her upcoming album
I love Charli, she isn't looking to hit a number one on the billboard lists, but instead to create a sound that she and her fans enjoy. Bebe Rexha should do the same, she's not a popstar but that doesn't mean she can't have a successful career that doesn't consist of edm features
her label is holding her back :c, she wanted to do a rock album and they wouldn't let her!!
@@elkotekote she would slay a rock album!!
She said that she is going to release a very mainstream album recently
@@alexhong9119 well fuck. There goes the rock album dream 😭
@@TheCaliforniaboy1 ohh, i mean charli
Bebe Rexha seems to hang around people in the industry who try to mess with her, as she's posted online about things people have said to her and can't seem to recognize when to get away from them early enough. The company some artists allow in can also harm their success, and also emotional health can affect songwriting output.
The fact that she was so brave to go IG Live too until the ummm... disnick pic incident.
I'm not surprised considering that song she called "I'm a mess" pretty sad lyrics on the ppl that were/is in her circle
i feel like these non descript artist lack branding and personality see for e.g beyonce, shes strong, fierce and confident, rihanna she's more laid back, free and chilled doja cat's kinda quirky, colorful and animated but then for bebe rexha and selena you just can't point out anything distinct abt them there's no personality or distinct brand abt if lacking "flavour"
@Motown Gayes Beyoncé image has always been the same since DC. But she did do a rebrand for self titled "Beyonce' album where she was more sexy and risque than before.
And yes Rihanna rebrand was from a good island girl to badgalriri for the gggb album
@Motown Gayes that’s what that person said though. Cardi b is funny and charismatic, but her rapping sucks and her constant use of ghost writers to write her hits.
Michael Jackson was inducted into:
Vocal Group Hall of Fame
The Songwriter Hall of Fame
The Dance Hall of Fame
MJ was the First & only dancer from Pop industry 👑 not to mention him also being a Producer. (Singer, songwriter, producer and performer)
What a 🐐🔥
Michael Jackson was the greatest vocalist and performer! Unfortunately, MJ did NOT write or produce the bulk of hie catalog. Rod Temperton wrote most of his songs, and as everyone knows, Quincy Jones was his long time producer and arranger.
@@ginoblackofficial Rod wrote most of the songs for Off the Wall but other than that Michael wrote almost all his hit songs and co-produced a lot too
@@lizhernandez6958 devante swing from Jodeci also written and produced for Michael aswell...
@@ginoblackofficial Stop your hating and lies. The post literally says MJ is inducted into songwriting hall of fame… if rod wrote most of MJ music, why would MJ be inducted?
It’s common knowledge that MJ wrote MOST of his hits songs. And Co produce along side Quincy as well.
Quincy never had to produce any of Michael’s album alone, without MJ contribution as a producer.
Aside his own music, MJ also wrote and produce for other artists too. If you don’t know, you better find out.
There's this new italian band going around called Maneskin who've pretty much blown up i the past few months and I think it would be really cool if you could cover their rise to fame and the probable return of rock.
i mean, there's nothing really to talk about their rise tho. they competed in Eurovision 2021 and won the competition.
they are not very "new" they became a band in 2016 or 2017... I mean he should talk about them yeah sure but to catch also on that genre more then just on mansekin.
sorry for bad english
I found out about them when they won the Eurovision song contest this year.
@@marinaradosavljevic4828 well, they are new on a global level
@@qdominika7253 that's true but as a band they are like few years old
There are Singer-songwriters and there are Performers, and then there are those who manage to transcend both of those labels to become legends, like Michael Jackson & Prince. Both were infinitely talented geniuses. MJ should've been mentioned, in my opinion.
@@narru9603 that comparison isn’t fair. im not even a fan of tswift and i can see her influence in pop culture, but to compare her to THE standard of music for a lot of people….. u must be smoking and drinking
@@narru9603 r u kidding me? its already been 10 years and nobody gives a flying fuck ab taylor, to this day i listen to raspberry beret and rock with you and i’ve heard their songs all my life. taylor should be compared to people in her echelon of music or at least her genre.
@@narru9603 She's a great songwriter but let's be honest when have you seen swift give an amazing game changer, bar raising live performances? When have you seen swift give a vocal performance that would give you goose bumps? Never. She's is a singer/songwriter. MJ and Prince wrote their songs as well as gave an amazing live performances
@@narru9603 just to me she isn’t the best performer
@@narru9603 taylor swift fans being loud and wrong as usual
Two words of someone who is a WRITERRR dahling: MARIAH CAREY
We all love her!!
Yes a writer, producer and star rated vocalist 🤩
Yesss
Purrrrrrrr💋💕💅🏼
the legend does it all!
labels should stop holding back!kali uchis label said her all spanish(and some english) album would fail
yet what do you know?telepatia *BLEW* up!and was amazing for her career!
Yeah, they should trust their artists more instead of trying to mold them into something they are not/dont want to.
Avril Lavigne is super underrated these days. She's singer-songwriter. She write every album for every each song. She played instruments also a producer for a couple song..
I guess the reason why she start to fall because of her fourth album "Goodbye Lullaby" she took a really long break after her successful "The Best Damn Thing". Also at that time (2011) there's a lot of new pop singer, that why people start to left her.
Wait, "Goodbye Lullaby" flopped???? That is my only no-skipped alb of her lol
People like to say that Taylor's songs are trash but in reality they only listen to her pop hits. All of her songs have deep meaning and can connect to you in a personal level becasue Taylor wrote the lyrics herself. That is a quality of her that fans love and makes the new generation salute to her as an artist
Yea, spelling is fun
@@psycopscyo3119 you just proved their point by mentioning a pop hit by her
@@karthkrish2670 me he he
Yeah.. I still can't listen to soon you'll get better and Ronan without crying. She makes me feel things i personally never went through.
I don't get that argument either because her singles are still good? Like Shake It Off still sounds fresh. Blank Space is like her most streamed song. And Love Story is over a decade old and people still lose their shit over that song.
The world was changed since the pop ruled early 2000s people don’t want just a catchy song with meek performances. They want songs that bring iconic emotions, individuality, and personality and if it makes you dance too. That’s just a bonus.
agreed 100%
This is what I found in BTS’ music, plus greatly in-depth lyricism. Been a casual listener of whatever music that will come noticeable and catch my attention (Also, I’m not a person who looks out and follows trend). Let say it has a nice beat and melody, it will stay in my ears and I will sing it whether it’s an artist from my home country or international but usually at most it stays as that, just in my ears. What I would say that I love the song if it is something that had touched me emotionally at a certain extent, and this is quite rare, and I’m not really into songs about love which is what most of the songs are all about nowadays. At first it was like that with BTS coz I only usually hear the popular ones i.e. title tracks and I was not paying attention to the lyrics. I’ve been aware of BTS for 2 yrs and been a casual fan until I encountered a comforting melody which apparently their B-side song, I searched for that and found the lyric video and then… I was a crying mess, then I had a BTS b-sides buffet, it was a roller coaster of emotions, diss tracks to comfort songs with diverse genres, that’s when I’ve become so invested in learning about them and became an army.
I’m not sure if you’re already familiar with them, if people are wondering why they have a huge loyal following across generational and cultural borders all around the world is because of their music which grows along with the group members being artists and as regular people that are members of a society, thereby making a lot of people relate to it, not to mention the guys were very down to earth. Their lyrics are like thinkpieces abt societal issues, self-reflection which contains their own dilemmas and struggles, diary or anecdote, self-love and self-acceptance, motivational speech etc. They are best at turning sorrow into hope through their music which have helped and healed a lot of people. They are very honest and sincere which were evident in their music, performances, and reality shows. Not to mention, they are great great performers.
Oh my…I’m sorry, 😅 I probably already have blabbered a lot. And I still have so much to say. If you are interested about each member’s writing style just search “BTS Writing Styles” by mera. The members’ writing styles is as diverse and distinct as each member’s personalities and their style is really a mirror of their personality (or at least on how I see them).
On additional note, they treat hit songs as a means rather than an end. Because they are album-centered and telling a cohesive story, they lure people with their title tracks or singles that are usually upbeat with choreo that has a high chance of being a hit song, and then seal the deal with the b-sides. As Suga (a member) said, if we listen to BTS music without prejudice, we will like it. People will definitely find something they like in their 230+ songs in their discography not including solo mixtapes and soundcloud releases which varies in genre and lyrical topic.
Also if you ever want BTS songs/performances recommendations, it’s my pleasure to share.
The kpop stans disagree
@@jalapeno1119 k-pop exactly replicates the early 2000s pop with catchy songs and attractive faces.
in the case of Rihanna she may not write anything but she knows what she wants, im sure she gave directions to their songwriters and producers about the direction of the songs/albums and what she wants to perform
A lot these songs & producers already had things made
yeah like she KNOWS how she wants to be portrayed. i think she rejected Same Old Love? which was a hit at the end but she didn't think it fit her well
Janet Jackson is THE BLUEPRINT for how to be a popular artist. I'm glad folks are doing more digging and putting some respect to her name.
YES 👏
Really good points and great takes on this subject. I really do believe that the definition of good artistry and success in music is definitely shifting especially since there are a lot of independent artists out there and those who choose to stay independent.
That's why I love Lady Gaga! She writes and produces her songs, and is a great performer (good vocals, dance, and public character). And all of this in such different styles. Plus she is very smart on the way she can do hit songs at the same time as some more alternative tracks.
She created a very strong fan base too
#pawsup 💕
And she is also an amazing actress, that’s crazy in fact ! ( even if the video is about music)
@@ts9517 Yeah, she will probably get nominated for best actress oscar for the SECOND time in TWO movies she was in. And she has a golden globe too, for her first acting in a tv show. Like... who does that?
Unfortunately she is no longer a superstar like 2009 and 2010 and although talented, her discography is all over the place and doesn't have a big fan base hence her tours dont make massive numbers with less show, but at least she is respected and talented
@@realdavidjones1623 numbers aren't the most important, buuut after 10 years she still had one of the most popular songs ever with shallow (and some others) okay its from a soundtrack, but she did another hit with rain on me. I don't think she does it for the numbers... her albums were never *shallow* full with super generic songs made for the radios, when she COULD do it easily
The songwriting part is so true, I can't tell you how many times I pitched demos just to find out the singers are getting royalties of my song, they literally followed each note I did and changed like 3 words and got credited
“doja cat started with a song called moo”
nooo babes… she didn’t💀💀
I know she started with ‘So High’ but ‘Moo!’ was her breakout is what I meant.
She got popular with moo
She did though, that was her first hit even if she was making music before
Y’all should check out trauma by Doja cat . That’s how I discovered her
@@gabyanahisoto she did got quite the following on her soundcloud.
Before she went independent, Tinashe was like the R&B version of this
Tinashe is so underrated wtf
@@sixevening4649 facts people need to stop sleeping on her they missing out
Dido for example was / is an amazing singer / songwriter, performer and she even plays instruments (piano, guitar). She wrote almost all her songs. Even tho her first albums were extremely successful I think she deserved much more recognition
I think her route is similar charli xcx. She has a loyal fanbase who will still listen. I listened to her previous album which had really good songs.
Yea, i barely knew her since Whitney mariah just what everyone's talking about but i love her song tho white flag is my favourite
This video is the direct, and accurate statement of true artists, and disposable artist, I mean for example Taylor Swift, she may not have the powerhouse vocal prowess, but her songwriting ability takes up for that, now we see with 1989, Rep, Lover, she took little pieces of trends and homogenized them into her craft, but with Folklore, and Evermore she didn’t chase the trends it was all about the music, and the emotive storytelling escapist-lyrics,
I mean 1989 was totally out of the trend of 2014. At the time rnb and edm were still the trend along with what was left of bubblegum pop, but Taylor made an 80s synth record and gave another push to pop music
@@lukesays2018 You're Right she did bring back Pop, and 1989 was an experimental album with the genres of Dance-Pop, Synth-Pop, Electro-Pop, Dream-Pop, Ballad-Pop, and Pop-Rock she didn't just stay in the safe lane, and record one genre, she did it all with that album, and I don't know if you remember, but people were even doubting her as a lyricist because of Bad Blood, and Shake It Off, but when she released Blank Space (A Lyrical Pop Masterpiece) people saw that just because she switched up genres, she still possessed that lyrical charm
@Kevin Philip Quinn first of all, the original comments weren’t hateful nor slanderous to begin with, SO WHAT NOW people can’t edit or alter their words that they may have misspelled, who do you think you are? 🤨🤨🤨
Fr, I remember how sick I got of Edm and 1989 saved me lol it was like the light out of the radio and pathed the way for many others.
Watching this video made realize that Miley was right to make her Bangerz era happen. 🤔
It was her saying with all of her chest that she was NOT just a disney girl. It was shocking and even corny sometimes but she succeeded in sending the message and making that a turning point for her career. We never saw her as a Disney girl anymore and she focused on doing what she liked with her life, her body and her music 🤷🏾♀️
Probably that's what any other ex Disney act should have done.
That’s so true ! She came a long way, sometimes it’s crazy to think she’s the same person that played Hannah Montana
@@masillah1018 exactly!!
But she cultural appropriated and for some reason never apologized
@@mewesquirrel6720 I agree with you 100%. But that's a whole different conversation. My comment was about how she was assertive in making a turning point in her career to change her image.
@@marianasaraiva8728 oh yes I agree
I think another part of being an artist like Taylor swift that has a strong voice but really noteable songwriting is creating a community in your fan base, like making fans feel involved and appreciated. So even if she were to drop a boring album it would still mean a lot to her dedicated fans because they know her a little better than a casual listener and can listen more to the lyrics and relate to those rather than focus on the beat or drawing appeal. I have no clue of what I just said makes sense but does anyone get what I’m trying to say?
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No you’re definitely right, I understand what you’re saying
I love the fact that haters say Taylor is fake. Bitch if she is fake she won't last 15 years in the music industry. Only a GENUINE person can manage to build a huge fanbase, have a succesful career for many years and be relevant until now even after new popular artists appear.
we need to talk about how taylor can write, sing, perform, produce AND sell. a true icon
shes like the biggest western artist everywhere. also didnt i argue w u on ariana before?
@@iya923 lmao i don't remember😭
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im 99% sure we did but at least we can agree that taylor is the music industry
She's an average performer, and a bad singer compared to other artists in her league, but her songwriting and sales are without a doubt respectable.
@@bunnywavyxx9524 ummm taylor is known for her stage presence and her vocals have improved greatly over the years. your point?
The Problem with Artist like Raye, Bebe, Rita and more are mostly held back by Bad Labels who don't support them Financially or let them Grow Sonically
Hold up, Doja Cat didn't start with 'Moo!', she already had a whole album prior to that and countless songs on Soundcloud. 'Moo!' allowed her to be noticed but she was already making her own music ages before that
Michael Jackson was an amazing song writer, performer AND singer.
People forget that he could SING!
@@jeh1868 He was very underrated as a singer.
I see Bebe issue the same as Tinashe before she went independent again. It seems like her agency is trying hard to market her so they are pushing her in the wrong direction and probably something when didn't want. Maybe if she went Independent she would excel and truly build a loyal stable fan base.