@@wetbarbi Nicki received HUGE pushback from her hard core hip hop fans of the mixtape days when she rebranded into a pop-rap star with The Pink Friday but especially Roman Reloaded. They hated Superbass, Starships, Va Va Voom, Pound The Alarm. Peter Rosenberg of Hot 97 put her on blast and told djs to not play her pop shit at the Summer Jam
@@angechrisman1694there's always some kind of push back. but she successfully gained a new and bigger fanbase and solidified herself in pop culture to the point where she doesn't even need to try anymore. another case would be taylor swift. she also received much push back from her label and from her country fanbase and peers. but 1989 made her a household name and it's still the biggest album of her career, one of the biggest in general and left a massive impact on the industry. winning her her second album of the year at the grammys. many artists have successfully switched over. because alot of the time it's needed for them to grow. humans naturally want to experiment, we want something new. for example sam smith may be hated by some of their older fanbase along with homophobic, weird pop anti creeps. but unholy was still a huge hit and their platform is only getting bigger. as much as their past stuff was iconic it would've gotten boring and it didn't let them express themselves. push back usually means you're doing something right.
Shawn made me realize that kpop formula on dating made sense. Keep it a secret or none if youre selling yourself more than your music. Once he started dating Camila he alianted his fans by rubbing it to their faces that theyre together. Its not like she helped with his fame. More like she is a disadvantage.
@@siarnaqfrost4968 look at Jelena. Did Justin dating Selena slow down or ruin his career? I don't think that's a fair take. Plus the only fans getting offended at him dating or stop standing due to dating is 12 y/O's. In the west the public accepts and welcomes celebs dating. Just look at the way Western ARMYs see BTS and those from Asian countries. Btw I'm not even a Mendez fan, I just think it's a bs take.
@@magalym4201 theyre not saying that shawn and camila didnt deserve to date each other, theyre just talking about how fans (just how in the kpop community) dont like it when a teen heartthrob starts to date.
@@siarnaqfrost4968 . You really can’t compare the K-pop industry to the Westin market. Because relationships have been used to help artist careers. But like Justin and Selena Gomez will not impact it in their career by dating. Some of their biggest songs were popular because fans speculated if if it was about each other. Like lose you to love me is one of Selena Gomez’s biggest hits of her entire career. And it’s literally about Justin Bieber. Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake back in the day that career benefit from both our relationship and a break up. Also if you go into the 2000s. You get artist songs from couples that we’re dating. Alicia Keys and Usher with my boo which is now become viral on TikTok. That was a song at the peak of them dating. Then you get Ciara and Bow Wow with like you, which was like a teenage anthem for the teens are the 2000s. Like you really can’t compare the two industries they’re very very different.
Chloe Bailey was the first artist that came to my mind. When Chloe and her sister first started off, they attracted and ult r&b fanbase, however, it seems like her record label is pushing for/ trying to capitalize off a more urban audience based off her recent collabs, music, and who she surrounds herself with (Gunna, Chris Brown). It’s sad because the audience she is trying to appeal to are the ones that tear her apart the most.
Usher : He was hailed as the King of R&B but abandoned his mantle to chase EDM hits in the early 2010s. His pivot to dance music was commercially successful but alienated fans of the genre he was supposedly king of. Once the EDM trend died down he returned to his R&B/Soul roots but by then his core fanbase had been eroded by the jaded fans who had checked out.
To be fair, it was kind of a lose-lose situation for him. R&B was just not popular in the early 2010's when EDM took over, and he was coming off his 2008 album Here I Stand, which failed to reach expectations. There were people who were bubbling up like Miguel and The Weeknd, but they weren't huge superstars like Usher was in his prime (The Weeknd's huge success later on not withstanding). I think the problem was just Usher's style of baby-making sex jams and club-ready R&B joints wasn't what people wanted anymore. Could you imagine Usher trying to make songs that sound like Frank Ocean or SZA? That is just not what people want from Usher lol
But the thing about usher is that he's always ride at that line of a pop artist. Like 8701 has a lot of pop records on it and confessions is an r&b album that has pop records on it as well. The EDM error that even Beyonce got into with Sasha fierce songs like sweet dreams. Scared a lot of people off. But I think if people actually gave those songs a chance they was some of the better made better quality songs of that era. That still hold.
The problem with Shawn, was the moment he started dating Camila he became cringe. The hate Camila got rubbed off on him. And they were EVERYWHERE, we got sick of them. 😅
nah fr. i’ve never seen a pair of celebs so determined to make sure that they’re dating, usually celebs want their privacy but was the fish lip video necessary?☹️
They were sucking faces everytime those photo were in the articles. It was disgusting and unnecessary. Camilla is just some scrawny racist bitch, I never liked her since she gave that poor apology to normani.
i love her so much and still support her, but at times I feel like Normani has all but abandoned her fanbase. not necessarily with her music choices, but more so with her presense. she used to have such a clear drive and passion to want to push her new music out, but now I rarely ever see her share updates regarding her music. I understand that she's probably just tired as it's mainly on her label, but it feels like she's just given up on pushing her music/album as of lately.
@@baldbicth123 She just don't have it. She gave up. Y'all need to chill with the conspiracy theories. Tinashe went through the exact same situation at RCA before she went independant and kept it pushing. Look at Tinashe now. She's thriving and making wayyy more money as an independant artist and doesn't care about mainstream recognition anymore. Normani has all the tools to do it. She can do covers on RUclips, TikTok, dance challenges, dropping an EP or mixtape before a full lenght studio album but it seems like she lost her motivation (pun intended)
In my eyes Normani doesn’t have a true passion for music and we all can see it. Personally I never founded her interesting it doesn’t matter anymore that she is talented. She doesn’t have personality or even artistic signature. Even cupcake has artistic style and she has become a meme. Like give up on Normani at this point just like she give up on music
@@baldbicth123 bullshit. Yeah companies are awful and sus but she doesn’t love music. Lady gaga’s company and team basically sabotage her(artpop era) but still fight for her art and passion and leaked her own music without caring. Normani is lazy and doesn’t care for being like Beyoncé she always loved
@@famemosterrrrr Yeah….it’s just really sad because Normani had one of the biggest pushes I’ve seen in the music industry so many people were rooting for her after motivation! Hell even after Wild Side and she gained traction again she could’ve got back on track. It’s sad because she could have literally been HUGE right now. But her label and Normani herself just don’t want it. I’m not a fan personally but I would say Normani needs to release her album this year if there is some inkling of care. This is the year to do it because her remaining fans are not staying for long
Adele has stated herself that she refuses to dumb down her music for the "tiktok generation", she's always been loyal to her fanbase consisting of people around her age and older. This is why she's still well respected. Sam Smith, on the other hand, is making a fool of themselves for gen Z by being an attention seeker and releasing shitty tiktok bait music. All the while constantly being made fun of by the very generation they're trying so hard to appeal to.
I keep thinking about this..what’s the longevity of this rebrand? It’s very gen z focused and heavily derivative of Lil Nas X. I wonder how long will it last? How long before unholy sounds dated in comparison to higher quality and more timeless records in his discography?
I think Shawn Mendes' problem is just his music getting stale. Like no one has ever gotten super excited about a new Shawn Mendes single coming out. He's just not exciting, and I'm noticing that pop music is veering a bit more towards more interesting pop acts like Doja Cat, The Weeknd, Bad Bunny, etc. His willowy, sadboy radio-pop made sense in like 2018 when pop music was at a low point and all of the biggest acts were sadboy hip-hop acts like Juice WRLD and Post Malone, but now? Not really. Maybe if he takes some time to find inspiration for a new sound, he can rebound successfully, who knows
Honestly I don't like alot of "pop" played on the radio, because it's shit and the radio stations just play it over and over again. I actually prefer "kpop" as opposed to western pop believe it or not! Other than kpop, I prefer the old school 50s to 80s stuff!
@@11cesarrenatono problem with that. It took Taylor years and years before she changed and the fans have no problem whatsoever. Shawn just oversold his relationship with Camila the fans got sick and tired of it. Jb was more or less the same for a decade at least and you dont see his core fans going away even if he has so much issue drama and exes.
Whatever Shawn has going on in his personal life (I think he said something about identity crisis being in his 20s but he was generic about it) is overshadowing his music. His label needs to sit down and restrategize.
What Shawn is missing is a PERSONALITY. He has a couple good songs but the rest are pretty boring, he dated someone I find equally as boring as him. I think what his management and publicists forgot to give him is that he's more than just a pretty face with a good voice.
@@AnneettaLifetoo true. He made their relationship the go to issue of his career not him not his music unlike other musicians like swift whose love life is mere secondary to her career but defo helped catapault her to more fame.
As someone part of the LGBT community, I don’t think every criticism of Sam Smith’s rebrand is necessarily homophobic. Personally, I think it just looks try hard and contrived lol
Why are people uncomfortable? Because they are fat and unconventionally attractive. That's why people think it's cringe because Sam doesn't fit the box to be able to do that.
@@xchi8040 when attractive women act sexual in their MV's it flies unnoticed until its really extreme 🤷♀️ i believe it is because he is overweight and not that "hot" that his MV and performances make people "uncomfortable".
@@mmgs1148 no it doesn’t I am a woman and I definitely am over the women oversexualisation in this industry... I don’t even see how it’s supposed to be empowering
Coldplay fits perfectly into this topic. They started out as a more alternative rock band, with ballads and some touchs of pop. Now they’ve become a colourful and happy bubblegum pop band. As a fan of their first few works, the last few years have been quite hard on me…
I feel the same way about Maroon 5. It feels so crazy to say now, but once i was a Maroon 5 fan. Harder to Breathe and This Love are such good songs. Then they got worse and worse... and worse. To the point where i almost forgot i used to like them.
@@laurisaarinen1126 right?! I also liked Maroon 5’s first two albums, but the music they’ve been doing since is not it for me… why do bands like to do shit like that?
As someone who is/was a huge fan is Shawn Mendes (so much so that I went to his concert in 2019 and would wake up and listen to his songs immediately when they dropped) I definitely agree with what you said. I also think he was over exposed during his relationship with Camilla. The public got sick of them and the focus was more on them as a couple than their respective projects. Which is sad because I would really like another album from him. Maybe something more R&B adjacent like Lost in Japan or Where Were You in the Morning. Or maybe Pop Rock like In My Blood.
Same. I was CRAZY for Shawn since his first album, and also went to the SMTT in 2019, but since 2020 it just doesn't feel the same anymore, I wanted to give Wonder a chance but I just didn't like the album at all, to this day I've just listened to it like twice; also Shawn has retired a lot from social media and when he comes back is for these mental health topics/promoting mindfulness, which isn't bad or wrong in any way but adding in the fact that the tour was cancelled, he's distanced himself from the fandom a loooot. It's just not the same as it was before, and I understand that fame can be overwhelming and he doesn't owe us anything, but it feels a little unfair maybe? Idk if that makes sense lol
I really hate when fans aren’t liking the direction of their favorite artists careers & get met with “you’re just a hater!” Unless you’re being awful, a troll, or just mean, you’re allowed to not like something and not be called a hater for it. I like that you’re discussing this topic
Omg yes! I once commented on a music video of BTS (who I've been a fan of since 2015) that their latest releases don't speak to me and feel kind of inauthentic in comparison to older works and boy oh boy... my whole family was being dragged 💀
True. The problem is many don't know how to communicate thier feelings without sounding like a troll or a hater, definitely for Sam Smith Homophobic and fat shaming and misogynistic
@@clarimm6675 same lmao, been a fan since 2015 too, don't like the new stuff and everytime i mentioned it i got met with so much hostility and accusations of just being a hater.. that fandom is very immature
@@phlasaban jup unfortunately, I guess you're right.... let's hope people grow up while the boys do their military duties, which is a cynical way to see things but the (majority of the) army fandom is just so toxic
Taylor and Beiber both changed their music and offered something different. Shawn has stayed the same for year - his songs blend together and that only really works for a few people like Ed Sheeran and Adele.
@@AXFN_We need R&Bieber to make a full comeback that and maybe make more music we can dance to like Honest , , WDYM , Where Are You Now and other JB songs that people have made really cool dances to
Exactly I feel that way with Ari and Doja. No matter how much they try to alternate there voice, all their songs will always sound the same. There is just no substance.
Not really I think most demi fans have been there since day one. Yes, her music genres has changed over the years but I think her health problems have always overshadowed her music.
I would have agreed with this a year ago however her recent album ‘holy fvck’ did a REALLY good job at regaining her older fans who grew up with her rock albums. Heck, even I was impressed by it and I’m not even a Demo fan.
One that breaks my heart, even though she never got as huge, is Saweetie. She started off so different, rapping about real female empowerment we don't hear often. She rapped about being a boss and working hard and investing her money. It was refreshing. Then she totally sold out and now she sounds like every other female rapper. Reminds me of how Lana Del Rey's label hated Ultraviolence and wanted her to sell out into more upbeat and feel good pop that was all the rage in 2014. But Lana stuck to her true self and is now an icon. Vs. if Lana had listened to her label she probably would have become a one hit wonder.
Shawn's whole personality is Camila, and no one else is in love with her that way, so no one relates to his songs. According to him, he wrote everything with Camila in mind. 4 whole albums. His whole inspiration is her. Talk about a one-dimensional artist who's stuck in a teenage love phase 😂
Well, I'm old and you may not know this band but Axel Rose of Guns and Roses wrote 3 whole albums based on Stephanie Seymour. And they were great. I don't think it's bad for an artist to have a muse.. in fact they often make their best work if they have a muse and once their muse leaves them they have no art left.
Sam Smith is an amazing singer, but the last couple of years he’s become more and more cringey. The Grammy performance was tasteless and he’s gotten a lot of negative feedback for it. He’s appealing to a certain demographic, it’s shock value, it’s selling records, I get it. All pop stars are not really as authentic as their fans think they are. They are managed by huge record labels and they are a product intended to sell.
Latto has been “ up and coming” for a while now, her breakthrough from the rap game with big energy was a bit of a shock for those who were a part of her fan base as it was a shift from her gritty Atlanta songs like b from the south and he says she said. It seems pop has become more of her alleyway as these are the songs that bring her the most revenue and attention. This isn’t bad but when you promote yourself as a rap artist and most of your more recognizable music is pop it can be a bit confusing. Latto hasn’t had a steady fanbase besides some supporters and this was kinda exposed with her beef with Nicki where most of Twitter agreed and liked her back-and-forth tweets ( 100k plus) but we’re mute when it came to ftcu, nasty songs, and all music leading up to lottery. Goes to show that internet success does not lead to real life. I think securing a genre that works best for her alongside versatility and a steady fan base would benefit her most as ignoring pointless Stans on Twitter ( under the wear situation).
As a barb/Nicki fan, I think Latto has potential to be a bigger and better artist, 777 pt.1 is such a banger, it deserves the success and push that BE got, her collab with Megan "Budget" would have been a top 15 hit if it would have had the push and promotion. Latto can have the "image" that Nicki has. An artist who is know to be a great rapper (in latto's case maybe just "good") but with mostly pop hits.
@@diesehnswurdigkeit9019 Yeah Budget fell short because of megs beef with her label lol but literally nothing else of hers had charted....idk I hope it works out for her.
@@diesehnswurdigkeit9019 I agree as a bob I think she sells herself short and needs to do a bit more experimenting. I would like to see a bit more less sex songs and raw vulnerable ones. I feel it will show her versatility as an artist as well as showing she isn't a one trick pony kinda like meg with traumazine.
Her fall out with Nicki is the problem. Most of her supporters were Barbs and they left once her and Nicki went at it with each other. They used to push her music but now she doesn’t have much of a fanbase
I got frustrated for MANY years with Ciara’s Pop records. I thought: she’s beautiful, a great performer, she just needs the hits…how hard is it for some for these writers to write her a hit song!!? Like goddam it was miss after miss for years after the Fantasy Ride album 😅
@@ladygrayteas6831Since Fantasy Ride, Ciara, has made only 1 album I like and it’s the self titled one with Future. She’s lucky she linked with high profile men. I don’t know how her career would be if she didn’t 😂
Shawn didn't capitalize on his star power when he had the chance, and now he is slowly fading from relevancy. I also think that both Justin and Taylor managed to create some memorable bangers, Shawn had good songs and popular songs, but he never had a song for people to come back years later.
my friend recently ran into sam smith while waiting to meet up with someone and said he was too scared to approach them or say anything besides a quick “I love unholy” while walking past because of the reputation sam now has for not liking fans coming up to them
I think the whole "shock value" thing doesn't really work that much anymore. This isn't like the 80s when people were burning heavy metal CDs over "satanism." Nowadays it all seems more tryhard, and complaints are more tame and are often labeled as "bigotry."
Yes we've become desensitized so anything anyone does isn't shocking anymore I went to a blood bank today and some hundreds of bags of blood and was unfazed because I've seen so much blood on tv movies etc the real thing just doesn't bother me anymore
The government is literally trying to ban drag shows. I don't criticize LGBTQ artists if they feel now is a time to be "shocking". I think the outrage machine is still running strong.
They really want to pull off a Madonna / lady Gaga., it doesn't work if it's forced. Sam Smith feels forced like he's making bdsm music yet he's a vanilla. Not that he can't do that, he can, if he does it right. His voice just isn't for that.
FINALLY finally someone is talking about this!!! I was talking about this with my friends the other day but none of them understood where I was coming from, now I'm gonna show them this video so they can finally come to their senses!
Honestly seeing Shawn not get as much recognition for his newer work hurts as a long-time fan considering I feel that Wonder was some of his best and most authentic work. We finally get to see him break out of his shell a little bit more as he becomes more comfortable in adulthood, and we ALSO finally got an album full of HAPPY love songs instead of sad ones (even though it was short lived). I honestly think after his and Camila's relationship was so publicized, people got so sick of him, and also bullied him to death, that nobody gave a shit about his actual work.
I agree, I love Shawn and I was supposed to see him on his Wonder tour before he canceled it! I just hope he's taking the time to work on himself and hopefully he'll come back soon with new music or another tour.
I am a newer fan of shawn... and he is soo underrated... I mean he has tge talent and good music but he is like extremely overlooked by people. People barely gives him a chance. Wonder and Shawn Mendes are amazing albums
@@sreejibchakraborty2911 I wouldn't call him "underrated" because that implies that he isn't popular, which he def is (internationally acclaimed, over 6 BILLION streams on Spotify, etc.). However, I definitely think nowadays people are giving him a hard time for no reason online, and not appreciating him for his music, especially, like you said, Wonder :
Sam’s new music basically shits all over the messages of their earlier music. Prior to Unholy, Sam was known for “torch songs” ie sings about unrequited love, heartbreak, etc often from the perspective of someone who had been betrayed by their lover. So Sam’s initial fanbase was made up of people who identified with those messages and related to Sam’s emotional vulnerability. Then Sam’s does a total 180 and sings the a song glorifying cheating, the same type of person who caused all the hurt and betrayal that they sang about in their earlier works. So I can see why somebody who identified with Sam’s earlier songs would get whiplash and feel let down. Take “I’m Not the Only One“ and “How Do You Sleep” for example, these songs that describe the pain of being cheated on, and then “Unholy” takes the side of the cheater who caused all that pain.
I really want you to make a video about longevity in the industry. People like Shakira having top 10 hits 30+ years into her career, Mariah owning Christmas, Beyoncé everlasting impact and influence. And how some of the new generation seems to have that same power. I'd live to see that.
@@Lavenderhaaze Beyoncé is the only artist in the world to have 7 consecutive number 1 studio albums on the Billboard 200, a Guinness World Record... She's the first black Woman to headline Coachella and 2nd overall. Her works like Homecoming, Black is King and Lemonade are studied in universities across the US. She's one of the best selling artiste of all time. She has 2 of the biggest Tours ever by a female and one of the highest grossing ever. She has a music career spanning 26 years and still a top artiste... Her works are often revolutionary and culture resetting. She invented surprise album drop and developed rap singing style... She has one of the the biggest selling music documentary on Netflix. And she has more than 20 Guinness World Records for her music... She's a star rated vocalist... There are so many to list... Educate yourself...
Shawn had momentum at the beginning of his career but it never really came to anything. He started off being a good looking white dude with a guitar who can sing but he never grew more than that. I feel Niall Horan is the same. They have potential to be big artists but they need to put in something more to stand out.
Seriously artists only need their fans to create hype, sell merch and concerts, support their brand. Other than that, they just want to be left alone, and socialize with other celebs in their mansions. When they say "I love you all", it means "I love the support, keep working those streams/keep your wallets open". That's all there is to it.
and there's nothing wrong about that they're not friends it's artists/fan relationship they're selling a product (music concert tickets..) it's called THE MUSIC INDUSTRY
Miley Cyrus is someone who is always rebranding. With Plastic Hearts, it felt like she finally found her sound in rock music. Her voice fit it so well and I thought she would stick with it. With Flowers, it seems like she is bouncing all over the place with different genres again. I don't really get it
I agree, if you ask me she should've done a Bruno and stuck to the sound that was perfect for her for the rest of her career. But given that Flowers is far more successful than Plastic Hearts, and Miley's own tendency to have a different sound every album, that seems unlikely.
Rebranding is exactly quite on brand for her though, and the topic of deep self love in her new album personally, for me, speaks to me with her being the iconic artistic person we have known for years and who in life may have had many upside downs.
Plastic Hearts and Endless Summer have more of a rock sound. She has changed genres so many times but with Flowers being part of the ESV album I don’t think she’s bouncing around like she did before. 😅
I’d add Chloe Bailey to isolating her fanbase recently. “Have Mercy” was a great debut. It was just the right amount of sexy and everyone was excited for debut, but I feel like her team is all over the place image wise. She seemed to be forcing her image a bit and it can come off as cringy sometimes, but at the same time we give grace to her paler contemporaries. Her fanbase seems to want more songs that play up her vocals in a pop manner, but none of her songs since “Have Mercy” really stuck with her fanbase. Plus, this collab with Chris Brown is…not a good move for her just budding career which is sad cuz I want to see Chloe, as a young, black pop star to succeed. But she needs to consider the next single she releases for “In Pieces.” I think a song for the summer is so much more necessary instead. I think she needs to tap into her “Have Mercy” roots.
I think she has been leaning in on the Have Mercy route with all the sexified stuff she’s putting out. It’s cringey. She’s just not a baddie and she should be fine with this. Lauryn Hill and Whitney Houston became the biggest stars in the world without it. I would love for Hailey to return with a heartfelt conscientious album and just sweep the industry. Just completely expose what a mistake this path was fro Chloe.
@@jakestroll6518 I think there’s a difference between “Have Mercy” and “Treat Me” or the other songs she’s dropped. “Treat Me” was a terrible follow up because this would’ve been the time to have chosen something that would’ve been more interesting to the pop crowd. She’s all over the place, but I don’t think turning sister against sister is the right way considering I don’t think they’d do that to each other.
Exactly, the song with Chris is mediocre & forgettable and I just wondered “she’s risking her career & reputation for this?yikes”...lord help her, hope she knows what she’s doing
It’s kind of sad that being quiet, low-key and staying out of drama and controversy is what makes an artist like Shawn Mendes fall off. It would be nice to see a more chill artist who wasn’t constantly getting into scandals have actual staying power.
I’ve been a fan of Shawn since the beginning, but his very public relationship with Camila didn’t do him any favors and he hasn’t done much musically since. I think at this point modeling would be a better career for him
Tbh I'm not sure if any of these people had a dedicated fanbase in the first place,it seemed to me like they had more of a general mainstream appeal , I kinda like what Sam is doing , it seems more distinctive than singing break up ballads eventhough I think that their new album , "Gloria" is not very cohesive.
no little sailors sam smith era was amazing the last album love goes and this one gloria with unholy has been not the best… like the entire og sam fandom has gone radio silent
Sam could honestly backtrack to an more softer image and perhaps win some people back but honestly they don’t owe anything to anyone, and stay being successful, Sam just won their 5th and long overdue Grammy and Unholy still in the top 10 isn’t an bad thing currently.
I was a really big Shawn fan prior to his really public relationship with Camila. It was super over exposed and shoved down our throat. Like every damn thing about Shawn at that time was tied in with Camila (IG post, news, quarantine song, etc.). Then all of the Wonder album was pretty much dedicated to her. I literally caught the ick 💀
Honestly I LOVED their relationship as a 13 y/o who had shipped them for a bit 😅. But after awhile it definitely got to be too much and I stepped away from him because it felt like he wasn't making music anymore or doing as much for his fans as he used to. Like, he used to be an artist all about being super close to his fans but it's almost like he distanced himself from that after Camila, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but the transition didn't work well.
Loooooooool I feel bad, but saying every song on the album was based on Camila gave me an ick and I don't even know why Like do you not have anything else in your life going on?
I enjoyed Sam Smith a lot in the beginning and I miss it… He use to make me cry listening to him but now… his music doesn’t hit me the same like before
Ironically Sam and Shawn are 2/3 of my all time favourite artists, and I've been with them both since the beginning, excited for new music from them both!
Shawn completely went downhill. I don’t see him gaining that momentum back. He lost his teen fans and they didn’t grow with him instead. It’s hard to go from teen heartthrob to adult artist. Justin Bieber and Harry Styles are the best cases for turning around that image. Shawn couldn’t do it
Shawn Mendes is the equivalent of eating raisin brand cereal, it’s okay but it’s very bland and forgettable once you’re done eating. There’s plenty of more interesting artists in his field that it’s rare to see anyone who is a fan of him. His fanbase grew older but he’s making the same ole teenager music…
Shawn Mendes lost his appeal for me when he got with Camilla and he stayed with her after the racist tweets came out and as a black fan it made me feel like he was racist too because obviously if you stayed with her and tolerated it you didn’t care, so I immediately stopped listening to his music
Its weird how people get more into their personal stuffs instead of music.. and shawn supported the blm movement, just to let you know.. I'm also a non white person and its weird how people stop listening to good music based on such weird small things
@@sreejibchakraborty2911 that don’t matter to me because the fact that he stayed with somebody who had multiple racist allegations against her Band-mate and he still stayed says a lot. If you really cared about Black Lives Matter, he would’ve seen that she was a horrible person and he would’ve left her.
I've been following shawn ever since vine, I always listen to his albums like one or two years later but I always discover him again, I personally do not care about his relationship with Camila I'm here for his music and whoever it is written for I always resonate with him, he 's an amazing song writer and musician and we should just enjoy his music and appreciate him. Take it from someone who used to be a big kpop fan. Being a fan is overrated. I just want to enjoy the artists I love and uplift and respect them, no need to come to the rescue all the time or always praising them or getting invested o' their personal lives. Let's not forget that they have their personal shts going on too, I don't even want to imagine all the shts Normani had to get through with her label, it's not always their choice to make bad moves.
Facts I'm not a fan of anyone, it feels weird honestly and disingenuous to the actual music youre here for I've also cut completely from Kpop, it's just way too problematic, I realised at some point I was actively looking to find a group to like, instead of finding a group which ticked the bare minimum for me 1) music which sounds good to me 2) no racism 3) major involvement in writing their own music Once I accepted there wasn't anyone, I just stopped trying to search and lowering my standards Listening to Doja, Zayn, Ed Sheeran, The weeknd, Cat burns, Travis Scott doesn't feel like a chore
Exactly, People are more into shawn's life than his music... he is an amazing vocalist but barely receives the praise he deserves instead people attack him for breaking with camila, roaming with his chiropractor and questioning his sexuality..
@@sreejibchakraborty2911 as a former fan, all of his music is the same. the new wonder album is boring and all the rest of his music is too. i used to be a fan in middle school and honestly, cant understand why
I’ve always thought Shawn should have transitioned into an actor instead and join fellow Canadians like Ryan Gosling & Ryan Reynolds. He looks more of an actor than a singer.
I would say on the opposite side of things, demi lovato is doing a great job at the moment for rebranding herself, pleasing her fanbase, and gaining a new audience while changing genres and staying true to herself.
I really feel like Sam Smith didn't do his musical and stylistic change for money and certainly didn't mean to alienate anyone. I feel like he's now being fearlessly and proudly himself. It's a big shift, but if it's what makes him happy, that's what matters. He doesn't owe anyone anything.
I’m an og sam smith fan from the nirvana ep era and seeing Sam abandon the little sailors and a basically jump to what’s popular has honestly sucked. I understand that artists grow and evolve but you’d think after love goes being a flop and whatever this Gloria era is that maybe we’d regroup but idk, just hope we receive move ballads and lonely hour vibes
As artist grow they tend to show that vulnerability to fans and thats what makes the work compelling. Shawn has been hiding himself more as time goes by. its been difficult to connect to his music. It does not seem like it comes from a genuine place.
i think the perfect example of transitioning perfectly even in this braindead tik tok age is bruno mars. i think he fits perfectly between not alienating his fans too much (like sam smith) but also not just keep putting out the same style (kinda like sean mendez). the silk sonic album made me realise that he can really capture any audience with his vocals even he switches from pop/slow love ballads to this cool 70s inspired soul sound
@@laurenkhate2001 ooh good point. I was a teen when Gaga first blew up so of course I was a fan. But now I've come to really respect her as an artist, for her talent and her work. I enjoy her work with Tony Bennett too, never thought she could do jazz, but I was pleasantly surprised.
I feel like Sam's change has a lot to do with their freedom and confidence ...they started to appeal to everyone but while growing they just became more confident in who they are and now are trying to appeal to the people they always wanted, does it make sense?
I've always been a huge Shawn fan, ever since his days in magcon. I saw him open for Austin Mahone in 2014 and then again in 2016, and all of his albums up until self titled were probably my most played albums the years they came out. I did really like wonder on first listen, but barely listened to it after that. I just got bored of it really fast. compared to plastic hearts, which came out in the same month and I still love, there's a huge difference. I don't even mind artists that don't change their sound a lot, I hate when an artist changes their sound so much I don't even like their music anymore. but something about his music just doesn't grab my attention anymore
I agree. Like his new sound on wonder was not my fav and I feel his career is going to stay in that direction especially since his newest single kind of still gives wonder vibes..I find it very hard to listen to wonder casually like I want to support it but it’s just not for me
Shawn Mendes fanbase used to be so big, not saying that it isn't still big today but I rarely see Shawn fans on social media anymore. I think after he started dating Camilla it got a bit too cringe or too much for most people, I know they're broken up now but it's safe to say I agree most about Shawn Mendez.
Shawn is just boring, lol. He barely shows any personality, his music is not groundbreaking... literally the only conversation left of Shawn nowadays is people questioning his sexuality and labeling him as gay for not being a macho man. Also, I think even people in the stone age showed more chemistry than Shawn and Camilla did. They were absolute cringe and they always looked so fucking awkward.
personally, i think its great for artists to switch up their sound and vibe. people change over time, and its reflected in their art you know? people complain when artists stay the same and make the same music over and over again, but also complain when they go “off brand”. (not saying ur complaining, just speaking in general lol)
Tons of people in this comment section have said they don't mind change as long as it's done right and gave good examples of artists who have changed up their sound and vibe without alienating their old fans. You're misrepresenting very valid criticism and you know it.
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 calm tf down lol. im not talking about people in the comment section, im commenting on the video and honest’s commentary. kinda what youtube comments are for? crazy.
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 u came out the gate saying that i know im trying to misrepresent valid criticism. its weird to make assumptions especially when thats not the case
Kid LAROI!! Because a lot of his success was a part of juice wrlds legacy, its rlly surprising to see that hes become another version of Justin bieber.
The problem with all three of them and some other artists too is that they lack a personality and their own identity. Their songs are good but anyone could sang their songs and it wouldn’t change a thing. But it can’t be said the same for example for Beyoncé, Rihanna, Nicki etc there is no person that could give the same personality as them in their songs
I’ve been a fan of Shawn since he first started releasing music. I still like him, but his lyricism still needs work, and I know he’s doing other things like movies and modeling rn, but I’m just waiting for him to actually release music? And music that isn’t just the same pop hit over again.
Yeah the kid too boring, his music is not appealing,nice kid.I think he need to do what Sam is doing.not saying that Shawn be over the top like Sam but get a bit more dance pop. Sorry thier no appeal to Shawn, also shawn just too cute to be a pop star.
Wonder was genuinely a good album, I really enjoyed it, however I feel like he kinda just.. didn’t care about the era itself. We got videos and then moved on, and the best songs got zero attention. Teach me how to love is a bop.
Unfortunately, it seems that teen heartthrobs don’t get very far past 18 years old. As soon as that fan base grows up, suddenly fantasizing over a celebrity isn’t that appealing anymore. Ones that come to mind would be Drake Bell, Jesse McCartney, and the Jonas brothers. And you’re right about the controversy. The acts I just mentioned didn’t have huge controversy like Miley Cyrus, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, and Demi Lovato. We still listen to these artists because of the controversy
I always loved shawn mendes and his music even his latest album (although I have to say it is my least favorite), but I think the problem is that since he got famous at a pretty young age, he never had a phase phase of finding himself. That process seems to be happening in the past few years since he has become much more focused on his own mental health and is much more of a "nature" type guy if you know what I mean.
Y'all pretending like Sam Smith making club music is a new direction. Latch. Dancing with a Stranger. How Do You Sleep. Diamonds. Promises. The only difference is Unholy, which is just Dollar Store Montero.
i'm not a fan of Sam Smith's rebrand. sure when you're primarily known for ballads, it can kinda get boring, but a transition like that was too drastic. James Corden asked Adele about whether she's gonna start singing more upbeat songs and she responded with an "eventually yes" but that she wanted her fans to come on a journey with her, so basically she's taking her transition to upbeat songs a bit slow and focusing on her craft as a songwriter. Not to reiterate him as the "male version of Adele", but that is the exact approach Sam should've stuck with, it works for her, so it will work for him. He's a great singer, so he should've just let his talent do the talking. Some of the best vocalists are all better known for their emotional ballads: Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Barbra Streisand, Christina Aguilera, Adele. Dance-pop songs come and go, but some of the best songs are ballads and they mostly stay eternal. Singers who are mostly known for their upbeat songs and dancing, like Madonna, Britney Spears, Beyonce and Lady Gaga, regularly feature a ballad or two on their albums. It is a rare feat that artists like Lady Gaga and Beyonce are exceptionally good at performing both a dance-pop song and a ballad (often right after the other), cuz both of them are well-trained vocalists and brilliant stage-performers. and just for the record, non-binarism is a bunch of bullshit and i will continue to refer to Sam as he/him, cuz i see a man, not a thing. i can respect the LGBT community's choice of lifestyle, but don't argue with science. everything has a binary code, period. i prefer it when people rather challenge gender-norms than trying to change the nature of the genders.
Chloe Bailey is an interesting case- I was super interested in her solo music, as her vocals are amazing. I was thinking she'd continue the direct but melodic style of Chloe x Halle, but what we got were lukewarm collabs that seemed like a quick cash grab. And Im all for the girls expressing their fashion and sexuality and everything, but this drastic change honestly seemed kinda forced and unnatural. Borderline generic.
Hi Honest can you make a video on George Michael's career , legacy , and musical impact (similar to a Documentary) please. Because he's a legend & icon from 1980's pop Era that doesn't get as much respect or recognition like his peers MJ , Whitney Houston , Prince , and Madonna
Where I come from, I'm pretty sure we listen to George Michael more than the one's you've mentioned combined. Tbh I only new prince thanks to the shaderoom, artists don't have to be mega in America for the rest of the world to appreciate them
@@venusbby Good Point I know that George Michael probably gets a lot of credit internationally like in the U.K. BUT I think when it comes to 80's pop artists he's severally underrated in America & doesn't get enough credit. People always like to mention that MJ is the King Of Pop or Madonna is the Queen Of Pop or Whitney is The Voice BUT I don't think anyone in America or Canada give George Michael the credit he deserves. And music ceremonies don't give him credit. I've never seen Ametican Music Awards , Grammys , or Billboard Music Awards do a tribute performance to him or give him a lifetime achievement award. & it's worth mentioning that George Michael did have success in America
BLACK community plays a big role in social media, you can still see VIRAL Michael Jackson, Whitney or prince video clips or tweet every month. It helps them to introduce to younger audience and remind people of their influence and impact in music 😶
The problem with Lotto is that Big Energy is a cover of a cover (Mariah Cary, Fantasy) of an original song (Tom Tom Club, Genius of Love). Recycle the same songs too often and the new one sounds tired. Sam Smith’s new stuff sounds tired too. He only has controversy to sell it.
I know she's not in the video but can I take a moment to talk about Kesha? She changed her style so DRASTICALLY that she's hardly even recognisable from her old self. But her fans supported her because the change was very personal and she didn't want to make party music in the first place. I personally didn't like the genre of her new albums at all, but I listened to it for her and grew to like it. Now I love it and dance to it! Just because you change your style drastically doesn't mean you have to abandon your fans. Kesha loves her fans more than anything and would never try to do something like that. Kesha is my favourite celebrity, and even if hypothetically her future music could be the worst in the world, I wouldn't care and would still love her and listen to it.
I have a feeling Shawn’s next album won’t debut at #1 on billboard. He can sell out his tours but when it comes down to releasing music it’s going to go down hill.
as someone who's an army and has only ever been a fan of bts (as in i like other music but i'm not willing to go out of my way to keep up with other artists) keeping a fanbase is SO important. when i got into bts ofc the music and performances originally attracted me, but if it weren't for the way they engage with us as a fanbase ion know if i would've become a dedicated fan at all. however because of the way they engage with us and keep up with us I'm equally invested in them and actively supporting them is easy and makes me happy because i feel like i'm stanning artists who truly care and see what we do for them. so many music acts today are saying they want a fanbase like bts and that they're jealous of it, however, they're forgetting the core of keeping a fanbase, communicating properly with said fans. take bts whos gone through genre after genre with their music and keeps switching it up, because they communicate their message through their music but also with the fans in the behind the scenes content and lives you have a fanbase whos willing to support just about everything they put out because it's authentic to them. so yeah, fanbases are important, they're the only ones whos gonna always be willing to support you so learning how to communicate with them is key
Yup, I’m super proud to be an army for this reason. They genuinely care about us, which is such a rarity in the western world. I love not only their music, but also them as people 💜
@@twilightdreamno offensive but why would they care about you they don't know you I'm not saying hate your fans but like they dint need to care about you
@@cookierumi as an army I think they mean that BTS communicates properly idk how to explain but you can feel them giving a damn about their fan you know not saying that they’re the only artist doing it but they genuinely care about their fan they always thank us and are overly really nice you don’t need to be over the top with your fan and share everything with them but it’s nice when they can joke around with us and care about us you know
Sam Smith really used to be a brooding soulful crooner, with blues and jazz influences like Adele, George Ezra, John Newman, and it worked coss they have the voice for it, and they had quite a lowkey and reserved image to go with it. Them becoming a Lady Gaga-esq dance pop girlie wasn't something that I saw coming, but I don't hate it.
I can't stand Sam Smith now. Ever since he came out as Non Binary, he's been so incredibly obnoxious, arrogant and so out of touch with reality that I just can't listen to his music any more or look at his face without rolling my eyes.
It has nothing to do with sam's weight or his looks it's just that he tries so hard to be "sexy" that it doesn't come of as natural but cringe. Lizzo is a big woman who got backlash for being "sexy" but it wasn't for her being cringe it was just because she was exposing too much while Sam isn't. When you had Rick Ross and Dj Khaled shirtless people didn't say anything they made jokes but that's was it so I don't understand why people want to push the fat phonic agenda onto this
Shawn Mendes changed his singing style in my opinion. He used to have this pop rock sound then lately he started singing more with vocal fries and a very pop sound that hasn't really worked great so far.
Honestly, I kind of find Shawn Mendes songs to be quite boring and quite similar. I think he's the type of artist, that needs to experiment with different genres, perhaps starting with his b-sides, before making them to the actual title track. Also I think his relationship with Camila effected him negativ
There are some artists that reinvent themselves constantly this resulting in lot of people making themselves fans of only one era of them Let's say for example Miley Cyrus reinvented herself at this new album and left her Plastic Hearts audience down for this one
When Shawn Mendes said most of his songs are about Camilla, that's when I started to lose interest. His latest songs sound the same and they're definitely about his ex. No hate on Camila as she has some great songs too but there was just no mystery behind the songs anymore he was writing.
Bruno Mars - The perfect example of an artist who successfully changed their fanbase without alienating their original fans
Nicki minaj too
@@wetbarbi Nicki received HUGE pushback from her hard core hip hop fans of the mixtape days when she rebranded into a pop-rap star with The Pink Friday but especially Roman Reloaded. They hated Superbass, Starships, Va Va Voom, Pound The Alarm. Peter Rosenberg of Hot 97 put her on blast and told djs to not play her pop shit at the Summer Jam
Is Bruno gonna make another solo album?
@@angechrisman1694 she is till very successful and Topping charts! She re branded and always does well because she has made a solid fan base!
@@angechrisman1694there's always some kind of push back. but she successfully gained a new and bigger fanbase and solidified herself in pop culture to the point where she doesn't even need to try anymore. another case would be taylor swift. she also received much push back from her label and from her country fanbase and peers. but 1989 made her a household name and it's still the biggest album of her career, one of the biggest in general and left a massive impact on the industry. winning her her second album of the year at the grammys. many artists have successfully switched over. because alot of the time it's needed for them to grow. humans naturally want to experiment, we want something new. for example sam smith may be hated by some of their older fanbase along with homophobic, weird pop anti creeps. but unholy was still a huge hit and their platform is only getting bigger. as much as their past stuff was iconic it would've gotten boring and it didn't let them express themselves. push back usually means you're doing something right.
It’s unfortunate but the case with Shawn Mendes is that his fan base is growing up and moving on. He’s no longer a teen heartthrob
Shawn made me realize that kpop formula on dating made sense. Keep it a secret or none if youre selling yourself more than your music. Once he started dating Camila he alianted his fans by rubbing it to their faces that theyre together. Its not like she helped with his fame. More like she is a disadvantage.
@@siarnaqfrost4968 they deserve to date publicly. I can’t believe ur defending that 😊😊
@@siarnaqfrost4968 look at Jelena. Did Justin dating Selena slow down or ruin his career? I don't think that's a fair take. Plus the only fans getting offended at him dating or stop standing due to dating is 12 y/O's. In the west the public accepts and welcomes celebs dating. Just look at the way Western ARMYs see BTS and those from Asian countries.
Btw I'm not even a Mendez fan, I just think it's a bs take.
@@magalym4201 theyre not saying that shawn and camila didnt deserve to date each other, theyre just talking about how fans (just how in the kpop community) dont like it when a teen heartthrob starts to date.
@@siarnaqfrost4968 . You really can’t compare the K-pop industry to the Westin market. Because relationships have been used to help artist careers. But like Justin and Selena Gomez will not impact it in their career by dating. Some of their biggest songs were popular because fans speculated if if it was about each other. Like lose you to love me is one of Selena Gomez’s biggest hits of her entire career. And it’s literally about Justin Bieber. Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake back in the day that career benefit from both our relationship and a break up. Also if you go into the 2000s. You get artist songs from couples that we’re dating. Alicia Keys and Usher with my boo which is now become viral on TikTok. That was a song at the peak of them dating. Then you get Ciara and Bow Wow with like you, which was like a teenage anthem for the teens are the 2000s. Like you really can’t compare the two industries they’re very very different.
Chloe Bailey was the first artist that came to my mind. When Chloe and her sister first started off, they attracted and ult r&b fanbase, however, it seems like her record label is pushing for/ trying to capitalize off a more urban audience based off her recent collabs, music, and who she surrounds herself with (Gunna, Chris Brown). It’s sad because the audience she is trying to appeal to are the ones that tear her apart the most.
Omg that collab with Chris Brown literally killed me inside, I was willing to listen to anything BUT THAT
the production on her solo songs are so lackluster compared to her prev albums w Halle
Chloe definitely abandoned the C&H sound and fanbase. It paid off once with ‘have mercy’ but yielded diminishing returns ever since 😟
honestly i loved chloe and her career but the moment she collabed with chris brown i was DONE. i thought she would be better than associating w/ him.
I think she's great but was pretty disappointed that she collabed with Chris Brown :/
Usher : He was hailed as the King of R&B but abandoned his mantle to chase EDM hits in the early 2010s. His pivot to dance music was commercially successful but alienated fans of the genre he was supposedly king of. Once the EDM trend died down he returned to his R&B/Soul roots but by then his core fanbase had been eroded by the jaded fans who had checked out.
usher always did r&b tho even when he went edm with a few singles raymond vs raymond still had a lot of r&b influence
To be fair, it was kind of a lose-lose situation for him. R&B was just not popular in the early 2010's when EDM took over, and he was coming off his 2008 album Here I Stand, which failed to reach expectations. There were people who were bubbling up like Miguel and The Weeknd, but they weren't huge superstars like Usher was in his prime (The Weeknd's huge success later on not withstanding).
I think the problem was just Usher's style of baby-making sex jams and club-ready R&B joints wasn't what people wanted anymore. Could you imagine Usher trying to make songs that sound like Frank Ocean or SZA? That is just not what people want from Usher lol
But the thing about usher is that he's always ride at that line of a pop artist. Like 8701 has a lot of pop records on it and confessions is an r&b album that has pop records on it as well. The EDM error that even Beyonce got into with Sasha fierce songs like sweet dreams. Scared a lot of people off. But I think if people actually gave those songs a chance they was some of the better made better quality songs of that era. That still hold.
It was Kelly Rowland who told Usher to try EDM
@@joshuamcdowell9745 Kelly should’ve stayed with Dance music. It suited her.
The problem with Shawn, was the moment he started dating Camila he became cringe. The hate Camila got rubbed off on him. And they were EVERYWHERE, we got sick of them. 😅
nah fr. i’ve never seen a pair of celebs so determined to make sure that they’re dating, usually celebs want their privacy but was the fish lip video necessary?☹️
I always felt they were an artificial couple meant to emulate Jelena. That’s my hot take though lmao
They were sucking faces everytime those photo were in the articles. It was disgusting and unnecessary. Camilla is just some scrawny racist bitch, I never liked her since she gave that poor apology to normani.
@@glasstablegcrls I almost threw up when I saw that video. Shit traumatized me so much 😭😭🤮🤮
I never seen such a obvious publicity dating stunt
i love her so much and still support her, but at times I feel like Normani has all but abandoned her fanbase. not necessarily with her music choices, but more so with her presense. she used to have such a clear drive and passion to want to push her new music out, but now I rarely ever see her share updates regarding her music. I understand that she's probably just tired as it's mainly on her label, but it feels like she's just given up on pushing her music/album as of lately.
Yeah. I feel the same way. It’s sad. 😞
@@baldbicth123 She just don't have it. She gave up. Y'all need to chill with the conspiracy theories. Tinashe went through the exact same situation at RCA before she went independant and kept it pushing. Look at Tinashe now. She's thriving and making wayyy more money as an independant artist and doesn't care about mainstream recognition anymore. Normani has all the tools to do it. She can do covers on RUclips, TikTok, dance challenges, dropping an EP or mixtape before a full lenght studio album but it seems like she lost her motivation (pun intended)
In my eyes Normani doesn’t have a true passion for music and we all can see it. Personally I never founded her interesting it doesn’t matter anymore that she is talented. She doesn’t have personality or even artistic signature. Even cupcake has artistic style and she has become a meme. Like give up on Normani at this point just like she give up on music
@@baldbicth123 bullshit. Yeah companies are awful and sus but she doesn’t love music. Lady gaga’s company and team basically sabotage her(artpop era) but still fight for her art and passion and leaked her own music without caring. Normani is lazy and doesn’t care for being like Beyoncé she always loved
@@famemosterrrrr Yeah….it’s just really sad because Normani had one of the biggest pushes I’ve seen in the music industry so many people were rooting for her after motivation! Hell even after Wild Side and she gained traction again she could’ve got back on track.
It’s sad because she could have literally been HUGE right now. But her label and Normani herself just don’t want it.
I’m not a fan personally but I would say Normani needs to release her album this year if there is some inkling of care. This is the year to do it because her remaining fans are not staying for long
Adele has stated herself that she refuses to dumb down her music for the "tiktok generation", she's always been loyal to her fanbase consisting of people around her age and older. This is why she's still well respected.
Sam Smith, on the other hand, is making a fool of themselves for gen Z by being an attention seeker and releasing shitty tiktok bait music. All the while constantly being made fun of by the very generation they're trying so hard to appeal to.
I keep thinking about this..what’s the longevity of this rebrand? It’s very gen z focused and heavily derivative of Lil Nas X. I wonder how long will it last? How long before unholy sounds dated in comparison to higher quality and more timeless records in his discography?
@@ladygrayteas6831 he's already over
truer words have never been spoken
Yesssss
As someone from Gen Z, this statement made me love Adele even more XD.
I think Shawn Mendes' problem is just his music getting stale. Like no one has ever gotten super excited about a new Shawn Mendes single coming out. He's just not exciting, and I'm noticing that pop music is veering a bit more towards more interesting pop acts like Doja Cat, The Weeknd, Bad Bunny, etc. His willowy, sadboy radio-pop made sense in like 2018 when pop music was at a low point and all of the biggest acts were sadboy hip-hop acts like Juice WRLD and Post Malone, but now? Not really.
Maybe if he takes some time to find inspiration for a new sound, he can rebound successfully, who knows
he keeping making the same damn music lol
Honestly I don't like alot of "pop" played on the radio, because it's shit and the radio stations just play it over and over again. I actually prefer "kpop" as opposed to western pop believe it or not! Other than kpop, I prefer the old school 50s to 80s stuff!
@@11cesarrenatono problem with that. It took Taylor years and years before she changed and the fans have no problem whatsoever. Shawn just oversold his relationship with Camila the fans got sick and tired of it. Jb was more or less the same for a decade at least and you dont see his core fans going away even if he has so much issue drama and exes.
yeah i feel like his music didn’t age well ngl
Whatever Shawn has going on in his personal life (I think he said something about identity crisis being in his 20s but he was generic about it) is overshadowing his music. His label needs to sit down and restrategize.
What Shawn is missing is a PERSONALITY. He has a couple good songs but the rest are pretty boring, he dated someone I find equally as boring as him. I think what his management and publicists forgot to give him is that he's more than just a pretty face with a good voice.
You are right. That man stays giving cardboard and mayo🫠
Who he dates is none of your business really. Plus Shawn is just someone who'll always be awkward cause that's just his personality
@@AnneettaLifenot the swallowing 😂
@@AnneettaLifetoo true. He made their relationship the go to issue of his career not him not his music unlike other musicians like swift whose love life is mere secondary to her career but defo helped catapault her to more fame.
@@papertape7911 “cardboard and mayo” 😂 💀
As someone part of the LGBT community, I don’t think every criticism of Sam Smith’s rebrand is necessarily homophobic. Personally, I think it just looks try hard and contrived lol
Why are people uncomfortable? Because they are fat and unconventionally attractive. That's why people think it's cringe because Sam doesn't fit the box to be able to do that.
@@xchi8040 when attractive women act sexual in their MV's it flies unnoticed until its really extreme 🤷♀️ i believe it is because he is overweight and not that "hot" that his MV and performances make people "uncomfortable".
@@mmgs1148 yeah he's too fat. He used to be smaller. Not skinny but not this big.
@@mmgs1148 no it doesn’t I am a woman and I definitely am over the women oversexualisation in this industry... I don’t even see how it’s supposed to be empowering
@@yennefer440 Why can people not be uncomfortable? I'm a fan of his but his "transformation" seemed so forced
Coldplay fits perfectly into this topic. They started out as a more alternative rock band, with ballads and some touchs of pop. Now they’ve become a colourful and happy bubblegum pop band. As a fan of their first few works, the last few years have been quite hard on me…
I feel the same way about Maroon 5. It feels so crazy to say now, but once i was a Maroon 5 fan. Harder to Breathe and This Love are such good songs. Then they got worse and worse... and worse. To the point where i almost forgot i used to like them.
@@laurisaarinen1126 right?! I also liked Maroon 5’s first two albums, but the music they’ve been doing since is not it for me… why do bands like to do shit like that?
@@laurisaarinen1126 yeah I found coldplay new music is still fine but maroon 5... I miss their alternative rock era
people grow lol
i hate coldplays new music so much
As someone who is/was a huge fan is Shawn Mendes (so much so that I went to his concert in 2019 and would wake up and listen to his songs immediately when they dropped) I definitely agree with what you said. I also think he was over exposed during his relationship with Camilla. The public got sick of them and the focus was more on them as a couple than their respective projects. Which is sad because I would really like another album from him.
Maybe something more R&B adjacent like Lost in Japan or Where Were You in the Morning. Or maybe Pop Rock like In My Blood.
Lost in Japan is so underrated!!
Never been a big Shawn fan but I LOVED LOST IN JAPAN
Same. I was CRAZY for Shawn since his first album, and also went to the SMTT in 2019, but since 2020 it just doesn't feel the same anymore, I wanted to give Wonder a chance but I just didn't like the album at all, to this day I've just listened to it like twice; also Shawn has retired a lot from social media and when he comes back is for these mental health topics/promoting mindfulness, which isn't bad or wrong in any way but adding in the fact that the tour was cancelled, he's distanced himself from the fandom a loooot.
It's just not the same as it was before, and I understand that fame can be overwhelming and he doesn't owe us anything, but it feels a little unfair maybe? Idk if that makes sense lol
How is Lost In Japan R&B oriented?
I think he's taking a break. Wonder seemed like it really burnt him out. I want a new album too, but I hope we get it when he is ready!
I really hate when fans aren’t liking the direction of their favorite artists careers & get met with “you’re just a hater!” Unless you’re being awful, a troll, or just mean, you’re allowed to not like something and not be called a hater for it. I like that you’re discussing this topic
Omg yes! I once commented on a music video of BTS (who I've been a fan of since 2015) that their latest releases don't speak to me and feel kind of inauthentic in comparison to older works and boy oh boy... my whole family was being dragged 💀
True. The problem is many don't know how to communicate thier feelings without sounding like a troll or a hater, definitely for Sam Smith Homophobic and fat shaming and misogynistic
@@clarimm6675well that was most likely deserved but anyway
@@clarimm6675 same lmao, been a fan since 2015 too, don't like the new stuff and everytime i mentioned it i got met with so much hostility and accusations of just being a hater.. that fandom is very immature
@@phlasaban jup unfortunately, I guess you're right.... let's hope people grow up while the boys do their military duties, which is a cynical way to see things but the (majority of the) army fandom is just so toxic
Taylor and Beiber both changed their music and offered something different. Shawn has stayed the same for year - his songs blend together and that only really works for a few people like Ed Sheeran and Adele.
Taylor and Jb also didnt let their relationships get more spotlight than their music. Shawn was the opposite.
You spelt Bieber wrong
@@AXFN_We need R&Bieber to make a full comeback that and maybe make more music we can dance to like Honest , , WDYM , Where Are You Now and other JB songs that people have made really cool dances to
I don't think Justin changed that much. It's just that he was so popular that he had millions of loyal fans...
Exactly I feel that way with Ari and Doja. No matter how much they try to alternate there voice, all their songs will always sound the same. There is just no substance.
I personally think Demi Lovato fell off with her fanbase too
not so much her songs are still good and above average
Not really I think most demi fans have been there since day one. Yes, her music genres has changed over the years but I think her health problems have always overshadowed her music.
I think so too. And it doesn’t have much to do with her music but her problematic/toxic behavior. And no, I’m not talking about the drugs either.
I would have agreed with this a year ago however her recent album ‘holy fvck’ did a REALLY good job at regaining her older fans who grew up with her rock albums. Heck, even I was impressed by it and I’m not even a Demo fan.
I liked demi until she started to act like a Karen
One that breaks my heart, even though she never got as huge, is Saweetie. She started off so different, rapping about real female empowerment we don't hear often. She rapped about being a boss and working hard and investing her money. It was refreshing. Then she totally sold out and now she sounds like every other female rapper. Reminds me of how Lana Del Rey's label hated Ultraviolence and wanted her to sell out into more upbeat and feel good pop that was all the rage in 2014. But Lana stuck to her true self and is now an icon. Vs. if Lana had listened to her label she probably would have become a one hit wonder.
Saweetie omg!!! I agree she’s flopping and it’s sad because her sound was sooo good and different. Her new music is not even on the radar
i love lana im so happy she didnt listen to her record label
Shawn's whole personality is Camila, and no one else is in love with her that way, so no one relates to his songs. According to him, he wrote everything with Camila in mind. 4 whole albums. His whole inspiration is her. Talk about a one-dimensional artist who's stuck in a teenage love phase 😂
💯💯
@@littleblob02 I'd ask him if something else happens in his life
Well, I'm old and you may not know this band but Axel Rose of Guns and Roses wrote 3 whole albums based on Stephanie Seymour. And they were great. I don't think it's bad for an artist to have a muse.. in fact they often make their best work if they have a muse and once their muse leaves them they have no art left.
@@littleblob02 it's a pr stunt
This is 100% the case! His music never grew up with him. It's been the same gimmick, the same muse for 10 years
Sam Smith is an amazing singer, but the last couple of years he’s become more and more cringey. The Grammy performance was tasteless and he’s gotten a lot of negative feedback for it. He’s appealing to a certain demographic, it’s shock value, it’s selling records, I get it. All pop stars are not really as authentic as their fans think they are. They are managed by huge record labels and they are a product intended to sell.
They go by them now.
I agree with you on what you stated in your comment.
Since I'm a kpop fan, I don't mind inauthenticity it's when you bad at selling it that it's supposed to be authentic,
I still
Think he makes good music tho
@@thatlendy9696 he like she said
@@queenofnyc5584 they/them
Latto has been “ up and coming” for a while now, her breakthrough from the rap game with big energy was a bit of a shock for those who were a part of her fan base as it was a shift from her gritty Atlanta songs like b from the south and he says she said. It seems pop has become more of her alleyway as these are the songs that bring her the most revenue and attention. This isn’t bad but when you promote yourself as a rap artist and most of your more recognizable music is pop it can be a bit confusing. Latto hasn’t had a steady fanbase besides some supporters and this was kinda exposed with her beef with Nicki where most of Twitter agreed and liked her back-and-forth tweets ( 100k plus) but we’re mute when it came to ftcu, nasty songs, and all music leading up to lottery. Goes to show that internet success does not lead to real life. I think securing a genre that works best for her alongside versatility and a steady fan base would benefit her most as ignoring pointless Stans on Twitter ( under the wear situation).
As a barb/Nicki fan, I think Latto has potential to be a bigger and better artist, 777 pt.1 is such a banger, it deserves the success and push that BE got, her collab with Megan "Budget" would have been a top 15 hit if it would have had the push and promotion.
Latto can have the "image" that Nicki has. An artist who is know to be a great rapper (in latto's case maybe just "good") but with mostly pop hits.
@@diesehnswurdigkeit9019 Yeah Budget fell short because of megs beef with her label lol but literally nothing else of hers had charted....idk I hope it works out for her.
@@diesehnswurdigkeit9019 I agree as a bob I think she sells herself short and needs to do a bit more experimenting. I would like to see a bit more less sex songs and raw vulnerable ones. I feel it will show her versatility as an artist as well as showing she isn't a one trick pony kinda like meg with traumazine.
Her fall out with Nicki is the problem. Most of her supporters were Barbs and they left once her and Nicki went at it with each other. They used to push her music but now she doesn’t have much of a fanbase
@@bre7931 exactly
The best exemple is CIARA ,she tried to go pop so early and failed ,her original fan base didn’t support her either
Not really, Ciara is an icon and doing good! But it was label issues with her, and that can’t be done when you’re trying to have a pop era.
I got frustrated for MANY years with Ciara’s Pop records. I thought: she’s beautiful, a great performer, she just needs the hits…how hard is it for some for these writers to write her a hit song!!? Like goddam it was miss after miss for years after the Fantasy Ride album 😅
@@ladygrayteas6831Since Fantasy Ride, Ciara, has made only 1 album I like and it’s the self titled one with Future. She’s lucky she linked with high profile men. I don’t know how her career would be if she didn’t 😂
That was the label who were screwing her up and her shit getting leaked. So Ciara basically got screwed up, which is sad because she good songs
Aht aht. Yes we did support her. Now all she does is pop music, and that's okay.
Shawn didn't capitalize on his star power when he had the chance, and now he is slowly fading from relevancy. I also think that both Justin and Taylor managed to create some memorable bangers, Shawn had good songs and popular songs, but he never had a song for people to come back years later.
Some of these artists need to realise that without a fanbase there's no support there's no relevance or existence of their career
But how the hell do you even build a fanbase in this era??
@@kasharianthony3661 With personality, originality, charisma and real talent.
@@rao803looking at the Kardashians still relevant in this era. I think personality alone will get you through despite not having any talent at all.
Literally
@@siarnaqfrost4968 looks too
my friend recently ran into sam smith while waiting to meet up with someone and said he was too scared to approach them or say anything besides a quick “I love unholy” while walking past because of the reputation sam now has for not liking fans coming up to them
first issue with this is loving unholy……… 🫣
Sam uses they/them pronouns
@@Baryccyon what is this supposed to mean? Is this sarcasm?
@@Baryccyoni don't think anybody asked you 😂
@@Baryccyon so just bcs THEY are a celebrity u think it's ohk to disrespect them ..
I think the whole "shock value" thing doesn't really work that much anymore. This isn't like the 80s when people were burning heavy metal CDs over "satanism." Nowadays it all seems more tryhard, and complaints are more tame and are often labeled as "bigotry."
Yes we've become desensitized so anything anyone does isn't shocking anymore I went to a blood bank today and some hundreds of bags of blood and was unfazed because I've seen so much blood on tv movies etc the real thing just doesn't bother me anymore
Especially when we know that’s not who he originally was as an artist it comes off as trying too hard
But people are reacting to tier music in a similar way that people did in the 80s.
The government is literally trying to ban drag shows. I don't criticize LGBTQ artists if they feel now is a time to be "shocking". I think the outrage machine is still running strong.
They really want to pull off a Madonna / lady Gaga., it doesn't work if it's forced. Sam Smith feels forced like he's making bdsm music yet he's a vanilla.
Not that he can't do that, he can, if he does it right. His voice just isn't for that.
FINALLY finally someone is talking about this!!! I was talking about this with my friends the other day but none of them understood where I was coming from, now I'm gonna show them this video so they can finally come to their senses!
Honestly seeing Shawn not get as much recognition for his newer work hurts as a long-time fan considering I feel that Wonder was some of his best and most authentic work. We finally get to see him break out of his shell a little bit more as he becomes more comfortable in adulthood, and we ALSO finally got an album full of HAPPY love songs instead of sad ones (even though it was short lived). I honestly think after his and Camila's relationship was so publicized, people got so sick of him, and also bullied him to death, that nobody gave a shit about his actual work.
I agree, I love Shawn and I was supposed to see him on his Wonder tour before he canceled it! I just hope he's taking the time to work on himself and hopefully he'll come back soon with new music or another tour.
I am a newer fan of shawn... and he is soo underrated... I mean he has tge talent and good music but he is like extremely overlooked by people. People barely gives him a chance. Wonder and Shawn Mendes are amazing albums
@@sreejibchakraborty2911 I wouldn't call him "underrated" because that implies that he isn't popular, which he def is (internationally acclaimed, over 6 BILLION streams on Spotify, etc.). However, I definitely think nowadays people are giving him a hard time for no reason online, and not appreciating him for his music, especially, like you said, Wonder :
Sam’s new music basically shits all over the messages of their earlier music. Prior to Unholy, Sam was known for “torch songs” ie sings about unrequited love, heartbreak, etc often from the perspective of someone who had been betrayed by their lover. So Sam’s initial fanbase was made up of people who identified with those messages and related to Sam’s emotional vulnerability. Then Sam’s does a total 180 and sings the a song glorifying cheating, the same type of person who caused all the hurt and betrayal that they sang about in their earlier works. So I can see why somebody who identified with Sam’s earlier songs would get whiplash and feel let down. Take “I’m Not the Only One“ and “How Do You Sleep” for example, these songs that describe the pain of being cheated on, and then “Unholy” takes the side of the cheater who caused all that pain.
So in truth Sam is becoming the thing he once swore to destroy
People change and we all need to experience life not to judge others. Same is growing as an artist ALOT and I love 💕
Unholy doesn’t take the side of the cheater, have you seen the music video?
I'm not the only one is truly a sad song
I really want you to make a video about longevity in the industry.
People like Shakira having top 10 hits 30+ years into her career, Mariah owning Christmas, Beyoncé everlasting impact and influence. And how some of the new generation seems to have that same power.
I'd live to see that.
Btw what impact Beyoncé has ..you all just overrated her .
@@Lavenderhaaze Beyoncé is the only artist in the world to have 7 consecutive number 1 studio albums on the Billboard 200, a Guinness World Record...
She's the first black Woman to headline Coachella and 2nd overall. Her works like Homecoming, Black is King and Lemonade are studied in universities across the US. She's one of the best selling artiste of all time.
She has 2 of the biggest Tours ever by a female and one of the highest grossing ever.
She has a music career spanning 26 years and still a top artiste...
Her works are often revolutionary and culture resetting.
She invented surprise album drop and developed rap singing style...
She has one of the the biggest selling music documentary on Netflix.
And she has more than 20 Guinness World Records for her music...
She's a star rated vocalist...
There are so many to list... Educate yourself...
@@chi...6905 local lol
@@Lavenderhaaze Lol... What does that even mean?
Bruh Mariah owning Christmas 😂😂 why didn't I think of that.
Shawn Mendes is an unproblematic king and I’d love for him to stay that way
Shawn had momentum at the beginning of his career but it never really came to anything. He started off being a good looking white dude with a guitar who can sing but he never grew more than that. I feel Niall Horan is the same. They have potential to be big artists but they need to put in something more to stand out.
Sam gave me "In The Lonely Hour" and "The Thrill Of It All" that's enough for me to ignore what they're doing.
Seriously artists only need their fans to create hype, sell merch and concerts, support their brand. Other than that, they just want to be left alone, and socialize with other celebs in their mansions. When they say "I love you all", it means "I love the support, keep working those streams/keep your wallets open". That's all there is to it.
Yooh this made me laugh I'm sorry but it's true😭😭😭😩
and there's nothing wrong about that they're not friends it's artists/fan relationship they're selling a product (music concert tickets..) it's called THE MUSIC INDUSTRY
And that is fine. Why tf should they feel like they're obligated to socialize with MILLIONS of fans lol
Miley Cyrus is someone who is always rebranding. With Plastic Hearts, it felt like she finally found her sound in rock music. Her voice fit it so well and I thought she would stick with it. With Flowers, it seems like she is bouncing all over the place with different genres again. I don't really get it
She has no identity
I agree, if you ask me she should've done a Bruno and stuck to the sound that was perfect for her for the rest of her career. But given that Flowers is far more successful than Plastic Hearts, and Miley's own tendency to have a different sound every album, that seems unlikely.
Rebranding is exactly quite on brand for her though, and the topic of deep self love in her new album personally, for me, speaks to me with her being the iconic artistic person we have known for years and who in life may have had many upside downs.
Its so such a step back imo...
Plastic Hearts and Endless Summer have more of a rock sound. She has changed genres so many times but with Flowers being part of the ESV album I don’t think she’s bouncing around like she did before. 😅
I’d add Chloe Bailey to isolating her fanbase recently. “Have Mercy” was a great debut. It was just the right amount of sexy and everyone was excited for debut, but I feel like her team is all over the place image wise. She seemed to be forcing her image a bit and it can come off as cringy sometimes, but at the same time we give grace to her paler contemporaries. Her fanbase seems to want more songs that play up her vocals in a pop manner, but none of her songs since “Have Mercy” really stuck with her fanbase. Plus, this collab with Chris Brown is…not a good move for her just budding career which is sad cuz I want to see Chloe, as a young, black pop star to succeed. But she needs to consider the next single she releases for “In Pieces.” I think a song for the summer is so much more necessary instead. I think she needs to tap into her “Have Mercy” roots.
I think she has been leaning in on the Have Mercy route with all the sexified stuff she’s putting out. It’s cringey. She’s just not a baddie and she should be fine with this. Lauryn Hill and Whitney Houston became the biggest stars in the world without it. I would love for Hailey to return with a heartfelt conscientious album and just sweep the industry. Just completely expose what a mistake this path was fro Chloe.
Roots ☠️ her only roots would be pop r&b, a single song cannot be considered to establish anyone's roots
@@jakestroll6518 I think there’s a difference between “Have Mercy” and “Treat Me” or the other songs she’s dropped. “Treat Me” was a terrible follow up because this would’ve been the time to have chosen something that would’ve been more interesting to the pop crowd. She’s all over the place, but I don’t think turning sister against sister is the right way considering I don’t think they’d do that to each other.
@@dylanbuchman8128 It is if it’s her debut single and the best charting song thus far.
Exactly, the song with Chris is mediocre & forgettable and I just wondered “she’s risking her career & reputation for this?yikes”...lord help her, hope she knows what she’s doing
It’s kind of sad that being quiet, low-key and staying out of drama and controversy is what makes an artist like Shawn Mendes fall off. It would be nice to see a more chill artist who wasn’t constantly getting into scandals have actual staying power.
Yes I 100% agree with the Sam and Adele comparison!!! Also I do not like his new stuff, but still listen to his og music.
Sam uses They/Them pronouns but agree
I’ve been a fan of Shawn since the beginning, but his very public relationship with Camila didn’t do him any favors and he hasn’t done much musically since. I think at this point modeling would be a better career for him
Tbh I'm not sure if any of these people had a dedicated fanbase in the first place,it seemed to me like they had more of a general mainstream appeal , I kinda like what Sam is doing , it seems more distinctive than singing break up ballads eventhough I think that their new album , "Gloria" is not very cohesive.
no little sailors sam smith era was amazing the last album love goes and this one gloria with unholy has been not the best… like the entire og sam fandom has gone radio silent
Sam could honestly backtrack to an more softer image and perhaps win some people back but honestly they don’t owe anything to anyone, and stay being successful, Sam just won their 5th and long overdue Grammy and Unholy still in the top 10 isn’t an bad thing currently.
I was a really big Shawn fan prior to his really public relationship with Camila. It was super over exposed and shoved down our throat. Like every damn thing about Shawn at that time was tied in with Camila (IG post, news, quarantine song, etc.). Then all of the Wonder album was pretty much dedicated to her. I literally caught the ick 💀
Honestly I LOVED their relationship as a 13 y/o who had shipped them for a bit 😅. But after awhile it definitely got to be too much and I stepped away from him because it felt like he wasn't making music anymore or doing as much for his fans as he used to. Like, he used to be an artist all about being super close to his fans but it's almost like he distanced himself from that after Camila, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but the transition didn't work well.
Loooooooool I feel bad, but saying every song on the album was based on Camila gave me an ick and I don't even know why
Like do you not have anything else in your life going on?
Shawn once said he wanted to write and record "arena songs." He excelled at that. He's stopped writing them. Period.
I enjoyed Sam Smith a lot in the beginning and I miss it… He use to make me cry listening to him but now… his music doesn’t hit me the same like before
It'd be really weird if unholy "hits" you
of course why would you feel sad listening unholy? he's popstar now
it’s a shame he gave up singing ballads to sing whatever the hell “unholy” is
Btw Sam Smith uses they/them pronouns
Ironically Sam and Shawn are 2/3 of my all time favourite artists, and I've been with them both since the beginning, excited for new music from them both!
Shawn completely went downhill. I don’t see him gaining that momentum back. He lost his teen fans and they didn’t grow with him instead. It’s hard to go from teen heartthrob to adult artist.
Justin Bieber and Harry Styles are the best cases for turning around that image. Shawn couldn’t do it
Adele proved that she can do other songs and genres just listen to “30”. She ATE “Oh My God” UP!!!
His relationship over shadowed his music. He did not benefit from it.
Shawn Mendes is the equivalent of eating raisin brand cereal, it’s okay but it’s very bland and forgettable once you’re done eating. There’s plenty of more interesting artists in his field that it’s rare to see anyone who is a fan of him. His fanbase grew older but he’s making the same ole teenager music…
Shawn Mendes lost his appeal for me when he got with Camilla and he stayed with her after the racist tweets came out and as a black fan it made me feel like he was racist too because obviously if you stayed with her and tolerated it you didn’t care, so I immediately stopped listening to his music
Same. After that I haven't been keeping up with Shawn
Its weird how people get more into their personal stuffs instead of music.. and shawn supported the blm movement, just to let you know.. I'm also a non white person and its weird how people stop listening to good music based on such weird small things
@@sreejibchakraborty2911 that don’t matter to me because the fact that he stayed with somebody who had multiple racist allegations against her Band-mate and he still stayed says a lot. If you really cared about Black Lives Matter, he would’ve seen that she was a horrible person and he would’ve left her.
@@sreejibchakraborty2911what good music?
I've been following shawn ever since vine, I always listen to his albums like one or two years later but I always discover him again, I personally do not care about his relationship with Camila I'm here for his music and whoever it is written for I always resonate with him, he 's an amazing song writer and musician and we should just enjoy his music and appreciate him.
Take it from someone who used to be a big kpop fan.
Being a fan is overrated. I just want to enjoy the artists I love and uplift and respect them, no need to come to the rescue all the time or always praising them or getting invested o' their personal lives.
Let's not forget that they have their personal shts going on too, I don't even want to imagine all the shts Normani had to get through with her label, it's not always their choice to make bad moves.
Facts
I'm not a fan of anyone, it feels weird honestly and disingenuous to the actual music youre here for
I've also cut completely from Kpop, it's just way too problematic, I realised at some point I was actively looking to find a group to like, instead of finding a group which ticked the bare minimum for me
1) music which sounds good to me
2) no racism
3) major involvement in writing their own music
Once I accepted there wasn't anyone, I just stopped trying to search and lowering my standards
Listening to Doja, Zayn, Ed Sheeran, The weeknd, Cat burns, Travis Scott doesn't feel like a chore
Exactly, People are more into shawn's life than his music... he is an amazing vocalist but barely receives the praise he deserves instead people attack him for breaking with camila, roaming with his chiropractor and questioning his sexuality..
For Shawn Mendes I’ve always seen his music as boring & super ONE NOTE so I’m not surprised he faded away
Have you listened to his newer works or just stitches, treat you better and tnhmb?
@@sreejibchakraborty2911 as a former fan, all of his music is the same. the new wonder album is boring and all the rest of his music is too. i used to be a fan in middle school and honestly, cant understand why
I’ve always thought Shawn should have transitioned into an actor instead and join fellow Canadians like Ryan Gosling & Ryan Reynolds. He looks more of an actor than a singer.
I would say on the opposite side of things, demi lovato is doing a great job at the moment for rebranding herself, pleasing her fanbase, and gaining a new audience while changing genres and staying true to herself.
Yeah. It’s a shame her public issues damaged her fanbase. I think she’s a great example of changing song styles
I really feel like Sam Smith didn't do his musical and stylistic change for money and certainly didn't mean to alienate anyone. I feel like he's now being fearlessly and proudly himself. It's a big shift, but if it's what makes him happy, that's what matters. He doesn't owe anyone anything.
We don't owe them anything, but we can use their right pronouns.
@@Liliaholivia or what?
@@bre7931 it's just a respectable and decent human being thing to do if you don't you really just look like a b1got
@@GODSLITTLEMEOWMEOW I’m fine with that 😊
@@Liliaholivia he he he. man man man. his his his. Sam smith is a man w a penis and balls . A MAN
I’m an og sam smith fan from the nirvana ep era and seeing Sam abandon the little sailors and a basically jump to what’s popular has honestly sucked. I understand that artists grow and evolve but you’d think after love goes being a flop and whatever this Gloria era is that maybe we’d regroup but idk, just hope we receive move ballads and lonely hour vibes
Love Goes didn’t flop tho
@@jaymason3339 it wasn’t great, the songs were better than gloria
As artist grow they tend to show that vulnerability to fans and thats what makes the work compelling. Shawn has been hiding himself more as time goes by. its been difficult to connect to his music. It does not seem like it comes from a genuine place.
i think the perfect example of transitioning perfectly even in this braindead tik tok age is bruno mars. i think he fits perfectly between not alienating his fans too much (like sam smith) but also not just keep putting out the same style (kinda like sean mendez). the silk sonic album made me realise that he can really capture any audience with his vocals even he switches from pop/slow love ballads to this cool 70s inspired soul sound
Add Lady Gaga to the list. She went from Monster to Millon reasons.
@@laurenkhate2001 ooh good point. I was a teen when Gaga first blew up so of course I was a fan. But now I've come to really respect her as an artist, for her talent and her work. I enjoy her work with Tony Bennett too, never thought she could do jazz, but I was pleasantly surprised.
I feel like Sam's change has a lot to do with their freedom and confidence ...they started to appeal to everyone but while growing they just became more confident in who they are and now are trying to appeal to the people they always wanted, does it make sense?
Who's "they" him and his family? It's a he wake up people.
Shawn cancelling his tour def didnt help. Ik it was for his mental health, but didnt help his relevance
I was such a big shawn mendes fan when i was 14-15, i feel like i have not heard of anything about him after senorita-
The edit of videos playing in reverse is so cool, I agree with every statement
I've always been a huge Shawn fan, ever since his days in magcon. I saw him open for Austin Mahone in 2014 and then again in 2016, and all of his albums up until self titled were probably my most played albums the years they came out. I did really like wonder on first listen, but barely listened to it after that. I just got bored of it really fast. compared to plastic hearts, which came out in the same month and I still love, there's a huge difference. I don't even mind artists that don't change their sound a lot, I hate when an artist changes their sound so much I don't even like their music anymore. but something about his music just doesn't grab my attention anymore
I agree. Like his new sound on wonder was not my fav and I feel his career is going to stay in that direction especially since his newest single kind of still gives wonder vibes..I find it very hard to listen to wonder casually like I want to support it but it’s just not for me
You forgot Muse, who went from Radiohead/RATM inspired rock to more electronic and 80s inspired sound upsetting their entire fanbase album by album
Shawn Mendes fanbase used to be so big, not saying that it isn't still big today but I rarely see Shawn fans on social media anymore. I think after he started dating Camilla it got a bit too cringe or too much for most people, I know they're broken up now but it's safe to say I agree most about Shawn Mendez.
Wait, Shawn released an album?!? It took me 3 years to figure that out 💀
Same!! I feel it's just a carbon copy of what Katie Melua did in the early 2010s
LMAOO
Shawn is just boring, lol. He barely shows any personality, his music is not groundbreaking... literally the only conversation left of Shawn nowadays is people questioning his sexuality and labeling him as gay for not being a macho man.
Also, I think even people in the stone age showed more chemistry than Shawn and Camilla did. They were absolute cringe and they always looked so fucking awkward.
personally, i think its great for artists to switch up their sound and vibe. people change over time, and its reflected in their art you know? people complain when artists stay the same and make the same music over and over again, but also complain when they go “off brand”. (not saying ur complaining, just speaking in general lol)
Tons of people in this comment section have said they don't mind change as long as it's done right and gave good examples of artists who have changed up their sound and vibe without alienating their old fans. You're misrepresenting very valid criticism and you know it.
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 calm tf down lol. im not talking about people in the comment section, im commenting on the video and honest’s commentary. kinda what youtube comments are for? crazy.
@@Naylaa I am calm, when did I give you the impression that I was upset?
@@animec-dramaskpop6362 u came out the gate saying that i know im trying to misrepresent valid criticism. its weird to make assumptions especially when thats not the case
@@Naylaa Yes, bc you did misrepresent the sentiment of the video and the comments. Pointing that out doesn't mean that I was angry.
Kid LAROI!! Because a lot of his success was a part of juice wrlds legacy, its rlly surprising to see that hes become another version of Justin bieber.
4:57 Not "literally no one cared" idk why i'm laughing so hard at that??😭😭😭😭😭
The problem with all three of them and some other artists too is that they lack a personality and their own identity. Their songs are good but anyone could sang their songs and it wouldn’t change a thing. But it can’t be said the same for example for Beyoncé, Rihanna, Nicki etc there is no person that could give the same personality as them in their songs
I’ve been a fan of Shawn since he first started releasing music. I still like him, but his lyricism still needs work, and I know he’s doing other things like movies and modeling rn, but I’m just waiting for him to actually release music? And music that isn’t just the same pop hit over again.
What do you mean by his lyricism need work?
@@lunam.9640 his lyrics were never deep to begin with and most of it is face value. This is coming from a fan who loves his music
Ed Sheeran is a good example of this working out, going from acoustic singer/songwriter indie to full on pop
Shawn Mendes faded away
to be fair he said he was taking a break
Yeah the kid too boring, his music is not appealing,nice kid.I think he need to do what Sam is doing.not saying that Shawn be over the top like Sam but get a bit more dance pop.
Sorry thier no appeal to Shawn, also shawn just too cute to be a pop star.
@@fxntasyland2844 that not good in pop music.
Wonder was genuinely a good album, I really enjoyed it, however I feel like he kinda just.. didn’t care about the era itself. We got videos and then moved on, and the best songs got zero attention. Teach me how to love is a bop.
Unfortunately, it seems that teen heartthrobs don’t get very far past 18 years old. As soon as that fan base grows up, suddenly fantasizing over a celebrity isn’t that appealing anymore. Ones that come to mind would be Drake Bell, Jesse McCartney, and the Jonas brothers. And you’re right about the controversy. The acts I just mentioned didn’t have huge controversy like Miley Cyrus, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, and Demi Lovato. We still listen to these artists because of the controversy
I always loved shawn mendes and his music even his latest album (although I have to say it is my least favorite), but I think the problem is that since he got famous at a pretty young age, he never had a phase phase of finding himself. That process seems to be happening in the past few years since he has become much more focused on his own mental health and is much more of a "nature" type guy if you know what I mean.
@hamzasaleem314 well, yeah can't deny that
Y'all pretending like Sam Smith making club music is a new direction.
Latch. Dancing with a Stranger. How Do You Sleep. Diamonds. Promises.
The only difference is Unholy, which is just Dollar Store Montero.
i'm not a fan of Sam Smith's rebrand. sure when you're primarily known for ballads, it can kinda get boring, but a transition like that was too drastic. James Corden asked Adele about whether she's gonna start singing more upbeat songs and she responded with an "eventually yes" but that she wanted her fans to come on a journey with her, so basically she's taking her transition to upbeat songs a bit slow and focusing on her craft as a songwriter. Not to reiterate him as the "male version of Adele", but that is the exact approach Sam should've stuck with, it works for her, so it will work for him. He's a great singer, so he should've just let his talent do the talking. Some of the best vocalists are all better known for their emotional ballads: Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Barbra Streisand, Christina Aguilera, Adele. Dance-pop songs come and go, but some of the best songs are ballads and they mostly stay eternal. Singers who are mostly known for their upbeat songs and dancing, like Madonna, Britney Spears, Beyonce and Lady Gaga, regularly feature a ballad or two on their albums. It is a rare feat that artists like Lady Gaga and Beyonce are exceptionally good at performing both a dance-pop song and a ballad (often right after the other), cuz both of them are well-trained vocalists and brilliant stage-performers. and just for the record, non-binarism is a bunch of bullshit and i will continue to refer to Sam as he/him, cuz i see a man, not a thing. i can respect the LGBT community's choice of lifestyle, but don't argue with science. everything has a binary code, period. i prefer it when people rather challenge gender-norms than trying to change the nature of the genders.
Chloe Bailey is an interesting case- I was super interested in her solo music, as her vocals are amazing. I was thinking she'd continue the direct but melodic style of Chloe x Halle, but what we got were lukewarm collabs that seemed like a quick cash grab. And Im all for the girls expressing their fashion and sexuality and everything, but this drastic change honestly seemed kinda forced and unnatural. Borderline generic.
Hi Honest can you make a video on George Michael's career , legacy , and musical impact (similar to a Documentary) please. Because he's a legend & icon from 1980's pop Era that doesn't get as much respect or recognition like his peers MJ , Whitney Houston , Prince , and Madonna
Where I come from, I'm pretty sure we listen to George Michael more than the one's you've mentioned combined. Tbh I only new prince thanks to the shaderoom, artists don't have to be mega in America for the rest of the world to appreciate them
@@venusbby Good Point I know that George Michael probably gets a lot of credit internationally like in the U.K. BUT I think when it comes to 80's pop artists he's severally underrated in America & doesn't get enough credit. People always like to mention that MJ is the King Of Pop or Madonna is the Queen Of Pop or Whitney is The Voice BUT I don't think anyone in America or Canada give George Michael the credit he deserves. And music ceremonies don't give him credit. I've never seen Ametican Music Awards , Grammys , or Billboard Music Awards do a tribute performance to him or give him a lifetime achievement award. & it's worth mentioning that George Michael did have success in America
BLACK community plays a big role in social media, you can still see VIRAL Michael Jackson, Whitney or prince video clips or tweet every month. It helps them to introduce to younger audience and remind people of their influence and impact in music 😶
@@ash8802 BUT that does NOT explain George Michael ? 🤔
I feel like it’s pretty fair for artists to want to change how they sound over the years
The problem with Lotto is that Big Energy is a cover of a cover (Mariah Cary, Fantasy) of an original song (Tom Tom Club, Genius of Love). Recycle the same songs too often and the new one sounds tired. Sam Smith’s new stuff sounds tired too. He only has controversy to sell it.
I know she's not in the video but can I take a moment to talk about Kesha?
She changed her style so DRASTICALLY that she's hardly even recognisable from her old self. But her fans supported her because the change was very personal and she didn't want to make party music in the first place.
I personally didn't like the genre of her new albums at all, but I listened to it for her and grew to like it. Now I love it and dance to it!
Just because you change your style drastically doesn't mean you have to abandon your fans. Kesha loves her fans more than anything and would never try to do something like that.
Kesha is my favourite celebrity, and even if hypothetically her future music could be the worst in the world, I wouldn't care and would still love her and listen to it.
Wouldn’t say changing your style is abandoning your fan base
I have a feeling Shawn’s next album won’t debut at #1 on billboard. He can sell out his tours but when it comes down to releasing music it’s going to go down hill.
You’ve been on point recently
Sam Smith chose recycled and unattractive.
as someone who's an army and has only ever been a fan of bts (as in i like other music but i'm not willing to go out of my way to keep up with other artists) keeping a fanbase is SO important. when i got into bts ofc the music and performances originally attracted me, but if it weren't for the way they engage with us as a fanbase ion know if i would've become a dedicated fan at all. however because of the way they engage with us and keep up with us I'm equally invested in them and actively supporting them is easy and makes me happy because i feel like i'm stanning artists who truly care and see what we do for them. so many music acts today are saying they want a fanbase like bts and that they're jealous of it, however, they're forgetting the core of keeping a fanbase, communicating properly with said fans. take bts whos gone through genre after genre with their music and keeps switching it up, because they communicate their message through their music but also with the fans in the behind the scenes content and lives you have a fanbase whos willing to support just about everything they put out because it's authentic to them. so yeah, fanbases are important, they're the only ones whos gonna always be willing to support you so learning how to communicate with them is key
Yes the K-pop industry excels at making quality music as well as ensuring the artists are in touch with their fans!
Yup, I’m super proud to be an army for this reason. They genuinely care about us, which is such a rarity in the western world. I love not only their music, but also them as people 💜
this is the same way i feel about taylor
@@twilightdreamno offensive but why would they care about you they don't know you I'm not saying hate your fans but like they dint need to care about you
@@cookierumi as an army I think they mean that BTS communicates properly idk how to explain but you can feel them giving a damn about their fan you know not saying that they’re the only artist doing it but they genuinely care about their fan they always thank us and are overly really nice you don’t need to be over the top with your fan and share everything with them but it’s nice when they can joke around with us and care about us you know
Sam Smith really used to be a brooding soulful crooner, with blues and jazz influences like Adele, George Ezra, John Newman, and it worked coss they have the voice for it, and they had quite a lowkey and reserved image to go with it. Them becoming a Lady Gaga-esq dance pop girlie wasn't something that I saw coming, but I don't hate it.
I can't stand Sam Smith now. Ever since he came out as Non Binary, he's been so incredibly obnoxious, arrogant and so out of touch with reality that I just can't listen to his music any more or look at his face without rolling my eyes.
actually glad you’re not hiding your transphobia like the rest of the people in the comments.
@@ksstwiggs6746 You mean like the same blatant transphobia of the ppl who keep refusing to refer to Demi by they/them pronouns? 🤔
Wat you expect
@@Chris-kl6kl Yep, exactly.
Shawn mendes feels so fake right now, it's like he doesn't even know who he really is
This!
@Hamza Saleem we all get that vibe from him
This video was absolute perfection!!
I’m not feeling the devil imagery either 🙅🏾♀️ or other shock value stuff.
It has nothing to do with sam's weight or his looks it's just that he tries so hard to be "sexy" that it doesn't come of as natural but cringe. Lizzo is a big woman who got backlash for being "sexy" but it wasn't for her being cringe it was just because she was exposing too much while Sam isn't. When you had Rick Ross and Dj Khaled shirtless people didn't say anything they made jokes but that's was it so I don't understand why people want to push the fat phonic agenda onto this
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She didn't abandon her fan, look at her record deal.
@@Zipperskull_ ..where do I find it
Shawn Mendes changed his singing style in my opinion. He used to have this pop rock sound then lately he started singing more with vocal fries and a very pop sound that hasn't really worked great so far.
Honestly, I kind of find Shawn Mendes songs to be quite boring and quite similar.
I think he's the type of artist, that needs to experiment with different genres, perhaps starting with his b-sides, before making them to the actual title track.
Also I think his relationship with Camila effected him negativ
@Hamza Saleem i have a feeling his management wants him to become a male Katie Melua
Avril Lavigne ditched her punk/rock fanbase when she dropped Girlfriend. Also, she went with a more feminine image for her album the Best Damn Thing.
There are some artists that reinvent themselves constantly this resulting in lot of people making themselves fans of only one era of them
Let's say for example Miley Cyrus reinvented herself at this new album and left her Plastic Hearts audience down for this one
Hello honest! I'm always here for your new videos.
This is so Doja. Goodluck on your 4th album after calling fans stupid
When Shawn Mendes said most of his songs are about Camilla, that's when I started to lose interest. His latest songs sound the same and they're definitely about his ex. No hate on Camila as she has some great songs too but there was just no mystery behind the songs anymore he was writing.