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Ex-Genesis UK employee here. The G80 is my favourite model in the entire lineup. The small gripes you mentioned with the interior have been addressed. The recently revealed facelifted version includes a completely redesigned interior.
Hey I'm an independent dealer in Texas USA!! My fellow Americans seem to love the Genesis brand and I see them everywhere!!! I'm curious as to how Europeans have taken to them!! They launched an Sclass competitor called the G90 a few years ago but that's the one model that's not doing well
@@emekaiheanacho274 it's a shame because the G90 is spectacular. Genesis actually flew me out to their HQ in South Korea last April & I got to get up close & personal with the G90 (Very lucky since it's not sold in the UK!). I'm starting to notice a few more on the roads now. Mainly the Electrified GV70 & the GV60. Their ICE models are way too inefficient to warrant buying them over here with our absurd fuel prices.
@@artureff3046 I've worked in the industry for several years so I'm well aware of that. However, fuel price IS a factor with private buyers who are still interested in ICE models.
@@MrFiskerUK I drove it extensively amazing car fit and finish!!! Drove it from Philadelphia to New Jersey... Very lovely vehicle and extremely comfortable!!! But it could definitely use more power
Had a 9000 CD (Saloon/Sedan) Carlsson 2.0 full Garrett turbo, no catalytic converter (1991, One of ten made in that configuration-which I discovered much later), then a 9000 CS (Hatchback) 2.3 LP turbo, and a 9/3 2.0. The first two built like the proverbial, inside and out, the first went like a scalded cat and too easy to go very quickly, officer. The 9/3 you could watch fall apart internally. Built after GM took over. Went onto a Merc then a Volvo V70. And now have another V70. Not the best car I've driven, but certainly the best vehicle I've owned.
Man, I think the latest Genesis products look great. And I say this as someone with 3 Jaguars, so I feel like I'm in tune with British styling taste. This design stands in tasteful elegant contrast to e.g. BMW's latest disasters.
I think the design has some graphic elements that are awkward and sadly misplaced on beautiful shapes and proportions. Wouldn’t call them very elegant, but definitely better than latest BMW’s 😂
@@threesixnine369six I respect your opinion. Personally I'm not a fan of the new GV60, but their other models look amazing in opinion. Especially the GV80, G90 and G80.
@@kustu fair enough, I mean after all this is as subjective as food preferences. I think Genesis cars have beautiful shapes and some of them have quite sexy proportions, but I just can’t come to like the double strip headlights especially when going behind the wheel arch, and the diamond shaped grille.
I had one of these as a rental car for a few days in Canada recently. I did about 1000 km in it and it was a very nice, well-appointed, comfortable car.
I am a European living in the US. I have been driving a G70 RWD 3.3t for 5 years, this car is seriously understated, it is so sharp and the interior is gorgeous. I cross shopped it against a BMW M 340i and a MB C43, the G70 was the most exciting car and it was $17k less than the 2 Germans
I own a G80 and I love the thing. It's powerful, great interior, comfortable and a fantastic sound system. A great freeway weapon and very reasonably priced.
Out here in the US Genesis are huge, they are everywhere for good reason. The GV80 is a big seller and a beautiful vehicle. Only issue is the lack of dedicated Genesis dealerships, but they are building them quickly.
It's a nice looking car, but probably having to go to Kia for issues isn't that appealing. Hopefully they won't follow the Kia / Hyundai shadyness model.
@@emekaiheanacho274 maybe not in your neck of the woods but in northern nj I see them basically all day, I just seen a g80 and that why I clicked on the video.
I think describing if the sunroof is of any use to the driver or too far behind, as you did in this video is very useful. I am submitting a humble request for doing it whenever applicable.
It is indeed refreshing what they have done here. As an ex Saab owner, current Volvo owner, I get what you mean. Every time I look at newer cars, I always feel better in my old one haha
Affer twenty years of owning various Jaguar's and seven yeays owning a Maserati Ghibli Diesel, 18 months ago i switched to a Genesis Electrified G80, and i have to say its the best car I've owned! My car at around 80k fully loaded is some 10k less than the equivalent Mercedes EQE. I think your a bit wrong about the option packages. The Executive pack gives you the soft close doors, rear screens, rear seat controls and window blinds. Finally the EV has the option of a Solar roof which does add a few miles of range. I get close to 300 miles on a full charge in mild weather. However, from my ownership experience, beyond the way it drives, is the amount of positive attention it gets wherever i go. Most think its some kind of Bentley, particularly helped by my cars unusual shade of colour - Matira Blue, although it looks green, and its white interior with an original forged wood trim! Next time see if you can try the EV version, that just adds to the refinement making it almost Rolls Royce esq, but with insane performance.... Interesting how you describe the kind of buyer of this car given my previous car ownership!
I understand why you mention SAAB in connection with this car, and it helps me perceive you as a "real" car enthusiast! Guys like me who just want to drive something different from the other boring drivers should take a look I guess. Yes I'm a sad, old SAAB fan 😁 Oh, not available i Denmark. Guess I'll just buy a Tesla like all others. Cheers.
Despite the hype EV's are not the answer to climate change, look out for a good s/h car that suits your requirements and keep it till it has done 500K miles or 600K kilometers! Fat cheaper in the long run & better for the planet!
@@johnmoncrieff3034 Precisely. If you replaced every European car with an electric one, and once all those cars had done at least 30,000km you'd save the planet a whopping 0.5% There are far more important co2 sources to address than demonising cars and planes. Plane travel is just 2% of global emissions , the same as running the internet, but no one ever demonises the internet do they? I do have an electric car as of today, but it's because I live in the only country in the world where they are practical. Norway
@@johnmoncrieff3034I honestly want to see an argument for ICE being better for the environment than EV, especially in a place like Norway (with zero emissions electricity mix), which actually acknowledges, addresses, and debunks all the data which, you know, says otherwise...
@@peterpodgorski According to Volvo, the break even point with a clean energy mix is 47000 km, EU average mix 84000 km and global mix 146000 km. So yes, eventually an EV will have lower CO2 emissions than an ICE, no matter where you live. But it's worth keeping in mind if you don't plan to drive a lot.
So nice to see a new car with a proper dashboard. Not the lazy and dangerous slab of touchscreen in most. At last a manufacturer actually putting some effort into designing the interior!
James, you‘re just so good at what you‘re doing. I‘ve always appreciated how effortlessly you present these cars in such a well worded way. And this review is another great example. Greetings from a Swiss fan and car nut 🤓
Jay, the exterior styling is masculine yet elegant. But I admit, as an American who drives on the correct side of the road and enjoys food with wonderful flavors as opposed to food that's subtle or bland, I could be wrong on it's exterior styling!. Jay, just having you on!Great review as always Cheers 😄😉 🇺🇸
I had the first release Genesis G80 model in Australia and absolutely loved it. It was a 2014 build and had everything that you could want and half that you wouldn't use once set up. It had the 3.3litre motor and wasn't that gratin fuel economy around the suburbs but on a long trip got 8.6litres per 100 klms. We are not getting the 2.5 here in Australia for some reason but are soldiering on with the 2.0 litre. I am glad that you made comment about the vehicle not being the quickest but it was the drive and that is exactly how I felt about mine (although it could get up and go) but I enjoyed the pleasure of the driving it; not racing it. Potential customers in England should give it a really close look.
I had a G80 EV as a rental last year and honestly…it was good. The interior was fantastic; great controls and easy to use. It didn’t feel “like an EV”. It felt big, but I’m used to smaller cars. I came away thinking I could really drive one every day. Very impressed.
I am a Jaguar driver... 6 months already, my car still in the repair shop 😆.... I find the design of this Genesis quite appealing, and as reliability/ maintenance nightmare .... Can't beat the Jag 😄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It might just be me but I think it looks incredible! Interior as well lovely especially with that shade of wood. Certainly better looking than most of what BMW are pumping out nowadays
Hey, I'll have you know that I'm reasonably familiar with Genesis. I love prog rock! Yes, sometimes the songs can feel a bit self-indulging with the hour-long keyboard solos, but the music is still great to listen to.
Minor point but I prefer the static camera shots you use in your usual videos rather than the slow zoom-in used sporadically in this video. The solidity and nice sharp cuts feel a bit like a channel signature now.
What an unusual car. Great balanced review. We see other You Tubers try to present a "serious" piece and fall disastrously short, you however have a mastered the format and can both engage and educate us with your excellent reviews. Well done James.
Had one of these as a rental last week out of BOS. Overall it was very nice. Reminded me a bit of what an older 530 felt like. Didn’t appreciate the only USB connection was USB-A since I no longer have a charger with that connector. Every other rental I’ve gotten lately has had at least one USB-C port.
I agree with you on it not attracting BMW & Mercedes buyers. At least until (if ever) the UK gets the proper engines. I have a G70 3.3T and it's very quick. BMW M340i quickish which puts it into another category. Glad you enjoyed it though. Genesis is a great brand.
Genesis has become an excellent brand - with its own personality. My wife is now on her second Genesis Coupe (sadly no longer in production) and she only traded in the first one, as she wanted a one with less accumulated milage, and a different color. They are well built - and the only gripe one could really have is infotainment becoming dated (much like any other car as they age.) My 2010 S63 AMG suffers the same gripe in my book, lol.
I still miss my SAAB. But I have driven a few of the Genesis range and they are very good cars. The G80 with the V6 is the one to get. I am considering one instead of the Lexus if I cannot convince my partner to get the LC500. Another good video Jay.
Just got back from a trip to the US West Coast (I'm from the UK) & had the pleasure of driving the G80 for a couple of weeks as a hire car whilst there... You've hit the nail on the head with your feedback. It's certainly a quirky looking thing, the exterior styling grew on me - profile especially, which reminds me of the Jaguar XJ (X351). I can count on one hand how many others I came across on the road so it is relatively rare - I guess as you say, this may be because it's a relatively unkonwn quantity compared to say a 5 series. I actually had a chap ask me at a fuel pump about my thoughts on it, which, just as you said are: 1) Fuel economy is very poor - On a run from LA to Vegas (around 300 miles) , we got roughly 40mpg, not too bad with US fuel prices but I wouldn't want to live with that back home. I drive a total of around 1,000 miles which included around 10% of stop/start traffic in LA and averaged 34mpg (UK) 2) Interior ergonomics on the whole are good but have a few gripes - the two rotary controls on the console being one - I lost count of the number of times I reached for the Gear Selector only to grab the iDrive instead! The ignition button on the IP is completely out of line of sight behind the steering wheel, so you have to "feel" for it...& strange one but the Driver's Airbag cover has an odd shape which causes you to activate the horn if you rest your thumbs in the "wrong" place below the wheel switchpack. 3) For me, there just isn't any percieved prestige attached to the brand, which shouldn't really matter but will be a real consideration at this price point 4) The tech is brilliant, radar cruise especially is implemented very well - far far better than in VAG products which I find are overly cautious and intrusive
Beautiful car with an impressive feature list! I see Genesis as the 21st Century Lexus! I'm sure that within a few years they will be held in the same regard as any other established luxury automotive brand.
Well they're made by Hyundai, famous for their 10 year warranty, so I wouldn't worry too much about longevity. Biggest concern for many people would be steep depreciation compared to an equivalent BMW/Mercedes... So just try and find one used!
I own the previous generation G80 and it's quite similar. The NA V6 is fantastically responsive and sounds great, although it gets terrible fuel economy when paired with AWD. The ride is a bit better thanks to the 18" wheels on most models. It's fantastic for cruising thanks to the sound system and comfortable cooled seats, while the steering and suspension are good enough to have fun in the twisties. You can also fully defeat the traction control, which has gotten me close to trouble a few times 😅. I've had a few interior parts fail, notably the air bladders in the driver's seat, but the car is tuned so well and such a great value that my next car might still be a GV60.
I had this on test back in October. Loved it! A gimmick, however, I really liked the 'active sound design' that pumped fake engine sounds into the cabin. I agree too, crap on fuel. Even Sam at Genesis agreed that they really do drink fuel. My X350 V6 Petrol gets better MPG.
Regarding fuel consumption for a 2.5t petrol engine at nearly 2000kg is completely normal. I would say, it’s actually a tad on the economical side. Any modern Euro6 4pot 2.0 t petrol engine will return very similar figures
As a long time BMW driver I´m going to test it, after your video. As you said I wasn´t aware that this isn´t chinese but the same group as KIA :) And al lot of BMW owners might have experienced that KIA instead of BMW is reliable and value for money! Thanks for the insight!
It's essentially Hyundai's version of Lexus/Infiniti/Acura... They first used the name for the Hyundai Genesis couple and sedan, before spinning the name off into a separate 'premium' brand name.
You may be interested to know that Albert Biermann (the man behind the E39 M5, E46 M3, and 1M) spent the last six or so years of his career as head of R&D for Hyundai/KIA/Genesis.
Here in the States, it is unfortunate that these cars will never truly achieve long term critical acclaim mostly because of the dealer network. If you're lucky the Genesis dealer will be courteous, but generally it's a glorified Hyundai dealer. Long term reliability may also be suspect as Kia/Hyundai engines seem to be not doing so well early on in their rather long warranty period. They seem to be more mechanically sound overall, though these cars have been out for not that long so it remains to be seen. Excellent cars to start with, but are likely to fall apart soon by way of dealer, parts and maintenance issues.
I think the Genesis lineup is quite nice. That little EV crossover looks weird though. Too childish looking for a 70k price tag. But I do worry about reliability. The Koreans are starting to become infamous for poor quality online.
They are adding a raft of high end stand alone dealers across North America. You also get free servicing for 4 years (including home or work collection & drop off) plus a good warranty. I've had one for over two years now with zero issues. Not a squeak to be had while my friends new 3 Series is a complete money pit which he's now getting rid of.
@@scottthomson9813 Good to hear. I want Genesis to succeed long term and I hope they do, just have to overcome long standing issues of our domestic automotive industry. I'd like to see them turn out with a Lexus like success story but only time will tell.
...plus it's untrue, I mean look at this car AND it's aimed at our market, PLUS we get both the larger TT V6 and the G90 w/ TT 3.5 V6 w/hybrid assist making 409 hp😎
I really like the exterior. I think the designer has been very clever in taking styling details off cars from the higher end luxury bracket. It affords the car an overall air of punching way above it's price bracket.
I love Genesis cars. To me, they seem to have got the styling and design just right. I don't even like wood in car interiors, but I can forgive this. Only issue for me with the G80 is that engine. As another poster mentioned, if the used the Stinger V6 this car would be perfect. Great review Jay, many thanks.
I love your channel! I really like the design for some reason. It might date fast but for the time being I think it’s a good looking alternative to the German rivals. I think the perfect motorway car would be this car chosen with the 2.2 diesel engine
I had the same problem with my phone, the USB-C port failed meaning I could only charge wirelessly and couldn't take advantage of Android Auto. I bought the AAWireless dongle and now have android auto in wireless form. Transferable between cars and works really well.
I've had my eyes on Genesis and I want one so bad. I need an upgrade from my Volvo. Shame everything is so expensive I don't think I'll ever afford one. I hope I'll not be late to the party and see Genesis leave before I've saved enough.
I was kinda hoping that in 5 years time there could be some bargains to be had on the second hand market, but south of 30mpg is a bit of a sore spot on a modern car.
For being a weird 2.5L 4 cyl it's half-expected sort of, not great though. Got a Volvo 2.5, 5 cyl at slightly better 32 mpg. Insignia 1.6, 4 cyl 35 mpg (UK mpg conversions)
I have a Jaguar e pace and with the PCP finishing in a few months, am looking at the competition. Looked at Lexus, another e pace and others but this has now stopped as I tried out a Genesis GV70. I test drove one for over two hours and it is a car which has the value of a top of the range Merc or BMW but costs only £45k which is an absolute bargain. Pure luxury and with the driver appeal of a £70k German car so I’ve now ordered one.
I like the styling of the Genesis cars. The quad headlight/taillight design is better than Lexus' L triangle shapes. For a V8... Dunno how reliable the V8 is over Toyota's, doubt it will be better. But price and styling, i think i will consider.
I'm in the US, and the GV80 3.5T hits everything I want in a car. It beats modern top spec full size suv's even in price, which is amazing. But my champagne tastes and beer budget has me looking at a buick encore gx or even a Mitsubishi outlander, nice interior, comfortable, good daily driver, but lack luster speed.
I really like the Genesis brand, and the G80 in particular. If I was in the market for a car like this, it would be at the top of my list for serious consideration. The only slight hesitation, is the question mark over depreciation. But that aside, it's a really nice car. I love the looks, I love the interior, and I love that it's different. I hope with all my heart that Genesis succeeds, because it certainly deserves to.
2018 G80 owner just turned 100k still nearly flawless car, I replaced my 2006 Merc E350 and its amazing how close the ride is but the G80 is light years ahead and similar merc would have cost me a lot more
I like the Genesis brand and in particular the G80 as it's that increasingly rare thing - a new saloon on the market. I hope the brand succeeds in the UK, they deserve to for sure but it's a tough gig trying to launch a new brand, as many have discovered. Personally, I like the styling inside and out (with the exception of the steering wheel) and the mix of tech and physical controls is, as you say, just right. Great car, I like it a lot.
As a Volkswagen Phaeton owner, the G80 really appeals to me. I've been eyeing them up for a while but only seen one in real life so far. I'm by no means in the position to buy a G80 any time soon, but when the Phaeton becomes unviable and these have done some depreciating i'll be really keen to own one. Everything in the current S Class/ 7 Series/ A8 Segment either doesn't appeal or has grown to a size that is impractical to own; moreover the overwhelming level of tech and reliance on touch screens is a real turn-off too. I really hope that more people that are in the position to buy these cars new realise what a great offering they are.
I had the same fuel issues with my 2.0 stinger! On a good run I could get it up to 30 at max! But regular driving I was getting 22-24mpg. I was getting more mileage out my v6 type 😂. I think the Kia/Hyundai 4 pots are a bit rough round the edges. If you can live with the mileage though these flagship level cars are EXCELLENT
I really love the steering wheel to be honest. It just looks so elegant and classy, especially compared to the very generic looking sporty steering wheel in some other models.
I like this. It'll be a bargain in a couple of years. But, I don't think that any luxury car should have a 4cyl engine. It should at least be a 6cyl. The extra smoothness and better sound makes a huge difference.
I really love its external looks and it looks no American to my eyes. Apart from the front grill, which is indeed reminiscent of a Bentley, since the designer has previously been the chief designer of Bentley, I find its looks very distinctive, sleek with the flair of a luxury car. Well done Genesis!
I drove the electrified G80 along with few other EVs on that day including a Mercedes EQE and I have to say the interior was absolutely fabulous a step up from Mercedes for sure. I was extremely impressed with it it was also very quick in EV form my main criticism was a bit too stiffly sprung for a luxury car perhaps the added weight of the battery did not help
I went to visit the 'showroom/shop' at Battersea Power station last Sunday. I had been intrigued by the round around car G70 sporting brake that had been added to Shmee's garage in a recent video. Unfortunately they didn't have the car in the 'shop' and they also had another car that you could no longer buy. The staff, while very polite, had no knowledge of the cars, only suggesting that I visit the website to find out more and if interested book a test drive from the website. If Genesis are serious in increasing market share and positioning the brand, they will have to try a lot harder. I've had 7 Audi's since 2010 but feel they have lost the soul of what Audi used to be. Looking at alternatives, unfortunately Genesis will only be a small 'left field' option unless they take their presence in the market seriously. They generally appeared to be a high quality product, very well detailed and a car I would really want to understand more, but all the effort apparently needs to come from the customer rather than the company.
We got a Genesis GV70 (SUV) and it's been great. Best compact SUV of the ones we tested (BMW X3, Range Rover Evoque, Audi Q5, Lexus RX, Mercedes GLC, etc.). However, the dealership experience could be better.
As a Saab fan mourning the death of quirky-yet-competent 9-5, I do find Genesis G80 a rather interesting and unique proposition. I've seen a few of the Electrified G80 running around my streets as a former operational vehicle for G-20 Conference in Indonesia a few years back, looks nicer than your usual po-faced 5-series or E-Class.
Interesting car with good specs, just like 5 series and E class used to be in the past, well built, pleasing to drive, equipped and priced smartly. Genesis is becoming a popular brand in the UAE where petrol prices are still cheaper than in the west.
You have to switch off sports cars perspective and give us a review from a potential buyer. We're looking at this car wanting a soft and quiet ride and there wasn't much detail given into that aspect - living with it. Not hooning it.
What I notice about the Genesis, even though you did not mention it and did not use it, is the cruise control: on the wheel where it should be.; Porsche (and Toyota) relegates cruise control to a stick behind the wheel, not placing it on the wheel under your right hand thumb - where it should be! I have a question I believe is worthy: "Why would an automobile - as in "auto" "mobile" - manufacturer give "shelf-space priority" to audio and telephone, and not to cruise control?"
Here in Ontario Canada, these guys have really dented the "premium" brans like BMW, Audi And Benz (we totally forget about the JAAGGG). Their raiding the bmw engineers is paying off. There are now wait lists for GENESIS vehicles. THAT GOOD (i don't like to wait). We are lucky and can get the bigger motors.
Okay it is buried in a screen menu but if you didn't like the brakes there is a sport setting that can be selected, fun when you are pressing on but too sharp for town and trafic. Oh and here in Australia even my SUV GV70 comes with Michelin Pilot sport 4s as we dont need all season tyres.
I just wish they were a bit more adventurous with the engine options over here in the UK. A G70 shooting brake with the 3.3L V6 of the Kia Stinger (which the G70 saloon gets an option of in the states) would have been incredible. Seems like they're playing far too safely stereotypical. Americans "don't like estates" so they don't get the shooting brake, and Europeans "don't want a big engine" so we only get the 4 pots. Funnily enough my 3.3 Stinger gets better fuel economy figures than that on average!
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Ex-Genesis UK employee here. The G80 is my favourite model in the entire lineup. The small gripes you mentioned with the interior have been addressed. The recently revealed facelifted version includes a completely redesigned interior.
Hey I'm an independent dealer in Texas USA!! My fellow Americans seem to love the Genesis brand and I see them everywhere!!! I'm curious as to how Europeans have taken to them!! They launched an Sclass competitor called the G90 a few years ago but that's the one model that's not doing well
@@emekaiheanacho274 it's a shame because the G90 is spectacular. Genesis actually flew me out to their HQ in South Korea last April & I got to get up close & personal with the G90 (Very lucky since it's not sold in the UK!).
I'm starting to notice a few more on the roads now. Mainly the Electrified GV70 & the GV60. Their ICE models are way too inefficient to warrant buying them over here with our absurd fuel prices.
@@MrFiskerUK it is taxation not fuel price....
@@artureff3046 I've worked in the industry for several years so I'm well aware of that. However, fuel price IS a factor with private buyers who are still interested in ICE models.
@@MrFiskerUK I drove it extensively amazing car fit and finish!!! Drove it from Philadelphia to New Jersey... Very lovely vehicle and extremely comfortable!!! But it could definitely use more power
I think all Genesis products are tasteful and gorgeous.
As a volvo driver now i still miss my saab
SAAB ❤. I have a Volvo XC60 and a 93 convertible aero. In love with both of them!
I don't. It was the most unreliable pile of junk I've ever owned.
As a Range Rover driver I miss my Saab more! 😂
Had a 9000 CD (Saloon/Sedan) Carlsson 2.0 full Garrett turbo, no catalytic converter (1991, One of ten made in that configuration-which I discovered much later), then a 9000 CS (Hatchback) 2.3 LP turbo, and a 9/3 2.0. The first two built like the proverbial, inside and out, the first went like a scalded cat and too easy to go very quickly, officer.
The 9/3 you could watch fall apart internally. Built after GM took over. Went onto a Merc then a Volvo V70. And now have another V70. Not the best car I've driven, but certainly the best vehicle I've owned.
Never letting go of mine.
Man, I think the latest Genesis products look great. And I say this as someone with 3 Jaguars, so I feel like I'm in tune with British styling taste. This design stands in tasteful elegant contrast to e.g. BMW's latest disasters.
I agree most new offerings have lost any sense of style & elegance -- Bricks are more aerodynamic than most EV's
I think the design has some graphic elements that are awkward and sadly misplaced on beautiful shapes and proportions. Wouldn’t call them very elegant, but definitely better than latest BMW’s 😂
And it comes in a proper green!
As a European I love how these look lol. By far the best looking car in it's class.
As a European, I think these look sad and confused. Including the newest ones. And I’m coming from a design background.
@@threesixnine369six I respect your opinion. Personally I'm not a fan of the new GV60, but their other models look amazing in opinion. Especially the GV80, G90 and G80.
@@kustu I have to agree with you, far more appeling than the china centric design of BMW for example.
I do quite like them. Really not a fan of the gv60. Not my favourite in class though. Much more of a fan of the Volvos
@@kustu fair enough, I mean after all this is as subjective as food preferences. I think Genesis cars have beautiful shapes and some of them have quite sexy proportions, but I just can’t come to like the double strip headlights especially when going behind the wheel arch, and the diamond shaped grille.
I had one of these as a rental car for a few days in Canada recently. I did about 1000 km in it and it was a very nice, well-appointed, comfortable car.
American here .. I was just in Toronto and Canadians love them
I am a European living in the US. I have been driving a G70 RWD 3.3t for 5 years, this car is seriously understated, it is so sharp and the interior is gorgeous. I cross shopped it against a BMW M 340i and a MB C43, the G70 was the most exciting car and it was $17k less than the 2 Germans
Maybe if Topgear still did proper car reviews like this they might still exist.
I own a G80 and I love the thing. It's powerful, great interior, comfortable and a fantastic sound system. A great freeway weapon and very reasonably priced.
if only they offered a more reasonably powered hybrid... Not everyone needs that speed
@@an-dr6euhybrids are for Cali poofs
Out here in the US Genesis are huge, they are everywhere for good reason. The GV80 is a big seller and a beautiful vehicle. Only issue is the lack of dedicated Genesis dealerships, but they are building them quickly.
They ain't that huge bro😅
It's a nice looking car, but probably having to go to Kia for issues isn't that appealing. Hopefully they won't follow the Kia / Hyundai shadyness model.
@@emekaiheanacho274 maybe not in your neck of the woods but in northern nj I see them basically all day, I just seen a g80 and that why I clicked on the video.
I think describing if the sunroof is of any use to the driver or too far behind, as you did in this video is very useful. I am submitting a humble request for doing it whenever applicable.
Executive Comfort pack with Pilot Sport Tires, a hilariously contradictory combination !
Sounds quite fair. If it had been Michelin Sport Cup tires I'd be laughing a lot though
3.5TT V6 also available in Australia.
Looks better than the latest e class and 5 series.
Previous gen 5 series was a beauty.
It is indeed refreshing what they have done here. As an ex Saab owner, current Volvo owner, I get what you mean. Every time I look at newer cars, I always feel better in my old one haha
Affer twenty years of owning various Jaguar's and seven yeays owning a Maserati Ghibli Diesel, 18 months ago i switched to a Genesis Electrified G80, and i have to say its the best car I've owned! My car at around 80k fully loaded is some 10k less than the equivalent Mercedes EQE. I think your a bit wrong about the option packages. The Executive pack gives you the soft close doors, rear screens, rear seat controls and window blinds. Finally the EV has the option of a Solar roof which does add a few miles of range.
I get close to 300 miles on a full charge in mild weather.
However, from my ownership experience, beyond the way it drives, is the amount of positive attention it gets wherever i go. Most think its some kind of Bentley, particularly helped by my cars unusual shade of colour - Matira Blue, although it looks green, and its white interior with an original forged wood trim!
Next time see if you can try the EV version, that just adds to the refinement making it almost Rolls Royce esq, but with insane performance....
Interesting how you describe the kind of buyer of this car given my previous car ownership!
I understand why you mention SAAB in connection with this car, and it helps me perceive you as a "real" car enthusiast! Guys like me who just want to drive something different from the other boring drivers should take a look I guess. Yes I'm a sad, old SAAB fan 😁 Oh, not available i Denmark. Guess I'll just buy a Tesla like all others. Cheers.
Despite the hype EV's are not the answer to climate change, look out for a good s/h car that suits your requirements and keep it till it has done 500K miles or 600K kilometers! Fat cheaper in the long run & better for the planet!
@@johnmoncrieff3034 If I remember correctly the energy mix in Denmark means evs have lower lifetime emissions than ice cars
@@johnmoncrieff3034 Precisely.
If you replaced every European car with an electric one, and once all those cars had done at least 30,000km you'd save the planet a whopping 0.5%
There are far more important co2 sources to address than demonising cars and planes.
Plane travel is just 2% of global emissions , the same as running the internet, but no one ever demonises the internet do they?
I do have an electric car as of today, but it's because I live in the only country in the world where they are practical. Norway
@@johnmoncrieff3034I honestly want to see an argument for ICE being better for the environment than EV, especially in a place like Norway (with zero emissions electricity mix), which actually acknowledges, addresses, and debunks all the data which, you know, says otherwise...
@@peterpodgorski According to Volvo, the break even point with a clean energy mix is 47000 km, EU average mix 84000 km and global mix 146000 km. So yes, eventually an EV will have lower CO2 emissions than an ICE, no matter where you live. But it's worth keeping in mind if you don't plan to drive a lot.
So nice to see a new car with a proper dashboard. Not the lazy and dangerous slab of touchscreen in most. At last a manufacturer actually putting some effort into designing the interior!
James, you‘re just so good at what you‘re doing. I‘ve always appreciated how effortlessly you present these cars in such a well worded way. And this review is another great example. Greetings from a Swiss fan and car nut 🤓
Jay, the exterior styling is masculine yet elegant. But I admit, as an American who drives on the correct side of the road and enjoys food with wonderful flavors as opposed to food that's subtle or bland, I could be wrong on it's exterior styling!.
Jay, just having you on!Great review as always
Cheers 😄😉 🇺🇸
Haven't seen a car review this interesting in long a time.
Glad you are out of the coma.
I had the first release Genesis G80 model in Australia and absolutely loved it. It was a 2014 build and had everything that you could want and half that you wouldn't use once set up. It had the 3.3litre motor and wasn't that gratin fuel economy around the suburbs but on a long trip got 8.6litres per 100 klms. We are not getting the 2.5 here in Australia for some reason but are soldiering on with the 2.0 litre. I am glad that you made comment about the vehicle not being the quickest but it was the drive and that is exactly how I felt about mine (although it could get up and go) but I enjoyed the pleasure of the driving it; not racing it. Potential customers in England should give it a really close look.
Certainly have heard of Genesis, one of the very best bands of the late 60’s / early 70’s!!
Questionable but understand
Don’t let Richard Hammond read this 😂
@@CarelessGamer15 See the ptsd stare as he remembers about the keyboard solo 😂
groan...
This channel Deserves Millions of subs! Top class content..👌
Everyone loves a fanboi shill!😉
I had a G80 EV as a rental last year and honestly…it was good. The interior was fantastic; great controls and easy to use. It didn’t feel “like an EV”. It felt big, but I’m used to smaller cars. I came away thinking I could really drive one every day. Very impressed.
I am a Jaguar driver... 6 months already, my car still in the repair shop 😆.... I find the design of this Genesis quite appealing, and as reliability/ maintenance nightmare .... Can't beat the Jag 😄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Which Jaguar model do you have?
I’ve driven 2 G80s and a gv70. Both are outstanding cars, drive better and more comfortable than I ever thought they would be.
It might just be me but I think it looks incredible! Interior as well lovely especially with that shade of wood. Certainly better looking than most of what BMW are pumping out nowadays
Yeah, I don't get why he said it's not a looker. It's stunning.
This is the first modern car that I've look at and actually thought "I'd buy that" and I'm saying that as a SAAB owner.
Quite premium quality at lower prices compared to the BMW.
Hey, I'll have you know that I'm reasonably familiar with Genesis.
I love prog rock! Yes, sometimes the songs can feel a bit self-indulging with the hour-long keyboard solos, but the music is still great to listen to.
Prog rock demands an attention span - so not suitable for many.
Minor point but I prefer the static camera shots you use in your usual videos rather than the slow zoom-in used sporadically in this video. The solidity and nice sharp cuts feel a bit like a channel signature now.
What an unusual car. Great balanced review. We see other You Tubers try to present a "serious" piece and fall disastrously short, you however have a mastered the format and can both engage and educate us with your excellent reviews. Well done James.
Had one of these as a rental last week out of BOS. Overall it was very nice. Reminded me a bit of what an older 530 felt like. Didn’t appreciate the only USB connection was USB-A since I no longer have a charger with that connector. Every other rental I’ve gotten lately has had at least one USB-C port.
I agree with you on it not attracting BMW & Mercedes buyers. At least until (if ever) the UK gets the proper engines. I have a G70 3.3T and it's very quick. BMW M340i quickish which puts it into another category. Glad you enjoyed it though. Genesis is a great brand.
Genesis has become an excellent brand - with its own personality. My wife is now on her second Genesis Coupe (sadly no longer in production) and she only traded in the first one, as she wanted a one with less accumulated milage, and a different color. They are well built - and the only gripe one could really have is infotainment becoming dated (much like any other car as they age.) My 2010
S63 AMG suffers the same gripe in my book, lol.
The Genesis Coupe is actually a Hyundai - the Hyundai Genesis Coupe, before Genesis became a standalone brand.
I still miss my SAAB. But I have driven a few of the Genesis range and they are very good cars. The G80 with the V6 is the one to get. I am considering one instead of the Lexus if I cannot convince my partner to get the LC500. Another good video Jay.
Just got back from a trip to the US West Coast (I'm from the UK) & had the pleasure of driving the G80 for a couple of weeks as a hire car whilst there...
You've hit the nail on the head with your feedback. It's certainly a quirky looking thing, the exterior styling grew on me - profile especially, which reminds me of the Jaguar XJ (X351). I can count on one hand how many others I came across on the road so it is relatively rare - I guess as you say, this may be because it's a relatively unkonwn quantity compared to say a 5 series.
I actually had a chap ask me at a fuel pump about my thoughts on it, which, just as you said are:
1) Fuel economy is very poor - On a run from LA to Vegas (around 300 miles) , we got roughly 40mpg, not too bad with US fuel prices but I wouldn't want to live with that back home.
I drive a total of around 1,000 miles which included around 10% of stop/start traffic in LA and averaged 34mpg (UK)
2) Interior ergonomics on the whole are good but have a few gripes - the two rotary controls on the console being one - I lost count of the number of times I reached for the Gear Selector only to grab the iDrive instead!
The ignition button on the IP is completely out of line of sight behind the steering wheel, so you have to "feel" for it...& strange one but the Driver's Airbag cover has an odd shape which causes you to activate the horn if you rest your thumbs in the "wrong" place below the wheel switchpack.
3) For me, there just isn't any percieved prestige attached to the brand, which shouldn't really matter but will be a real consideration at this price point
4) The tech is brilliant, radar cruise especially is implemented very well - far far better than in VAG products which I find are overly cautious and intrusive
Beautiful car with an impressive feature list! I see Genesis as the 21st Century Lexus! I'm sure that within a few years they will be held in the same regard as any other established luxury automotive brand.
I love genesis. their design, interior and whatnot are beautiful. But we will have to see how they hold up in longevity.
Well they're made by Hyundai, famous for their 10 year warranty, so I wouldn't worry too much about longevity. Biggest concern for many people would be steep depreciation compared to an equivalent BMW/Mercedes... So just try and find one used!
I own the previous generation G80 and it's quite similar. The NA V6 is fantastically responsive and sounds great, although it gets terrible fuel economy when paired with AWD. The ride is a bit better thanks to the 18" wheels on most models. It's fantastic for cruising thanks to the sound system and comfortable cooled seats, while the steering and suspension are good enough to have fun in the twisties. You can also fully defeat the traction control, which has gotten me close to trouble a few times 😅. I've had a few interior parts fail, notably the air bladders in the driver's seat, but the car is tuned so well and such a great value that my next car might still be a GV60.
I had this on test back in October. Loved it! A gimmick, however, I really liked the 'active sound design' that pumped fake engine sounds into the cabin. I agree too, crap on fuel. Even Sam at Genesis agreed that they really do drink fuel. My X350 V6 Petrol gets better MPG.
Regarding fuel consumption for a 2.5t petrol engine at nearly 2000kg is completely normal. I would say, it’s actually a tad on the economical side. Any modern Euro6 4pot 2.0 t petrol engine will return very similar figures
As a long time BMW driver I´m going to test it, after your video. As you said I wasn´t aware that this isn´t chinese but the same group as KIA :) And al lot of BMW owners might have experienced that KIA instead of BMW is reliable and value for money! Thanks for the insight!
It's essentially Hyundai's version of Lexus/Infiniti/Acura... They first used the name for the Hyundai Genesis couple and sedan, before spinning the name off into a separate 'premium' brand name.
Not quite. Genesis uses their own platforms unlike say Lexus, which shares with Toyota etc
You may be interested to know that Albert Biermann (the man behind the E39 M5, E46 M3, and 1M) spent the last six or so years of his career as head of R&D for Hyundai/KIA/Genesis.
That is a car I seriously appreciate existing. A shame about the engine option but if I ever did get a brand new Exec it'd be a Genesis.
Here in the States, it is unfortunate that these cars will never truly achieve long term critical acclaim mostly because of the dealer network. If you're lucky the Genesis dealer will be courteous, but generally it's a glorified Hyundai dealer. Long term reliability may also be suspect as Kia/Hyundai engines seem to be not doing so well early on in their rather long warranty period. They seem to be more mechanically sound overall, though these cars have been out for not that long so it remains to be seen. Excellent cars to start with, but are likely to fall apart soon by way of dealer, parts and maintenance issues.
I think the Genesis lineup is quite nice. That little EV crossover looks weird though. Too childish looking for a 70k price tag.
But I do worry about reliability. The Koreans are starting to become infamous for poor quality online.
They are adding a raft of high end stand alone dealers across North America. You also get free servicing for 4 years (including home or work collection & drop off) plus a good warranty. I've had one for over two years now with zero issues. Not a squeak to be had while my friends new 3 Series is a complete money pit which he's now getting rid of.
@@scottthomson9813 Good to hear. I want Genesis to succeed long term and I hope they do, just have to overcome long standing issues of our domestic automotive industry. I'd like to see them turn out with a Lexus like success story but only time will tell.
@@DMSR-35 Agreed
1:28 As an American, I'm offended! And that response is the most American thing I can do at this point. Carry on, sir.
Shall do
...plus it's untrue, I mean look at this car AND it's aimed at our market, PLUS we get both the larger TT V6 and the G90 w/ TT 3.5 V6 w/hybrid assist making 409 hp😎
@@klasseact6663Yeah, and it's hideous. 😂
@@AWMJoeyjoejoe to each their own 😉
@2605155
As an American, I'd respond: don't be so easily offended.
Otherwise, & I got your back on this one JayEmm = "awww, bite me then..."
I really like the exterior. I think the designer has been very clever in taking styling details off cars from the higher end luxury bracket. It affords the car an overall air of punching way above it's price bracket.
I love Genesis cars. To me, they seem to have got the styling and design just right. I don't even like wood in car interiors, but I can forgive this. Only issue for me with the G80 is that engine. As another poster mentioned, if the used the Stinger V6 this car would be perfect. Great review Jay, many thanks.
I love your channel! I really like the design for some reason. It might date fast but for the time being I think it’s a good looking alternative to the German rivals. I think the perfect motorway car would be this car chosen with the 2.2 diesel engine
I would be interested to know what are James' favourite cars. I'm guessing Kia Stinger, F12, and maybe a Lotus Elise.
I had the same problem with my phone, the USB-C port failed meaning I could only charge wirelessly and couldn't take advantage of Android Auto. I bought the AAWireless dongle and now have android auto in wireless form. Transferable between cars and works really well.
I've had my eyes on Genesis and I want one so bad. I need an upgrade from my Volvo. Shame everything is so expensive I don't think I'll ever afford one. I hope I'll not be late to the party and see Genesis leave before I've saved enough.
I was kinda hoping that in 5 years time there could be some bargains to be had on the second hand market, but south of 30mpg is a bit of a sore spot on a modern car.
For being a weird 2.5L 4 cyl it's half-expected sort of, not great though. Got a Volvo 2.5, 5 cyl at slightly better 32 mpg. Insignia 1.6, 4 cyl 35 mpg (UK mpg conversions)
I have a Jaguar e pace and with the PCP finishing in a few months, am looking at the competition. Looked at Lexus, another e pace and others but this has now stopped as I tried out a Genesis GV70. I test drove one for over two hours and it is a car which has the value of a top of the range Merc or BMW but costs only £45k which is an absolute bargain. Pure luxury and with the driver appeal of a £70k German car so I’ve now ordered one.
USB-C port on your phone; use a pin to clear out the dust, and then blow it a few times. It works.
Wooden cocktail stick, instead of metal pin.
@@andyburns good thinking
I LOVEEEEE IT, MAN HOPE THE G90 COMES TO!! ❤🙏
What the F**k is everyone talking about?! That exterior design is screaming luxury and oozing with class!
I like the styling of the Genesis cars. The quad headlight/taillight design is better than Lexus' L triangle shapes. For a V8... Dunno how reliable the V8 is over Toyota's, doubt it will be better. But price and styling, i think i will consider.
I'm in the US, and the GV80 3.5T hits everything I want in a car. It beats modern top spec full size suv's even in price, which is amazing. But my champagne tastes and beer budget has me looking at a buick encore gx or even a Mitsubishi outlander, nice interior, comfortable, good daily driver, but lack luster speed.
Nice review....pity that UK doesn't have the V6 turbo version of the genesis
I really like the Genesis brand, and the G80 in particular. If I was in the market for a car like this, it would be at the top of my list for serious consideration. The only slight hesitation, is the question mark over depreciation. But that aside, it's a really nice car. I love the looks, I love the interior, and I love that it's different. I hope with all my heart that Genesis succeeds, because it certainly deserves to.
2018 G80 owner just turned 100k still nearly flawless car, I replaced my 2006 Merc E350 and its amazing how close the ride is but the G80 is light years ahead and similar merc would have cost me a lot more
Austrian living in Canada. Love my Genesis GV70. ❤
No, it actually is a looker
I think it looks stunning
I like the Genesis brand and in particular the G80 as it's that increasingly rare thing - a new saloon on the market. I hope the brand succeeds in the UK, they deserve to for sure but it's a tough gig trying to launch a new brand, as many have discovered. Personally, I like the styling inside and out (with the exception of the steering wheel) and the mix of tech and physical controls is, as you say, just right. Great car, I like it a lot.
G90 is the one to get. Takes luxury to another level.
As a Volkswagen Phaeton owner, the G80 really appeals to me. I've been eyeing them up for a while but only seen one in real life so far. I'm by no means in the position to buy a G80 any time soon, but when the Phaeton becomes unviable and these have done some depreciating i'll be really keen to own one. Everything in the current S Class/ 7 Series/ A8 Segment either doesn't appeal or has grown to a size that is impractical to own; moreover the overwhelming level of tech and reliance on touch screens is a real turn-off too. I really hope that more people that are in the position to buy these cars new realise what a great offering they are.
I had the same fuel issues with my 2.0 stinger! On a good run I could get it up to 30 at max! But regular driving I was getting 22-24mpg. I was getting more mileage out my v6 type 😂. I think the Kia/Hyundai 4 pots are a bit rough round the edges. If you can live with the mileage though these flagship level cars are EXCELLENT
I really love the steering wheel to be honest. It just looks so elegant and classy, especially compared to the very generic looking sporty steering wheel in some other models.
So it's not just me drawing the line to Saab. As a Saab driver, it's the most appealing 9-3 new car on the market. Especially in estate form.
I like this. It'll be a bargain in a couple of years. But, I don't think that any luxury car should have a 4cyl engine. It should at least be a 6cyl. The extra smoothness and better sound makes a huge difference.
I really love its external looks and it looks no American to my eyes. Apart from the front grill, which is indeed reminiscent of a Bentley, since the designer has previously been the chief designer of Bentley, I find its looks very distinctive, sleek with the flair of a luxury car. Well done Genesis!
I drove the electrified G80 along with few other EVs on that day including a Mercedes EQE and I have to say the interior was absolutely fabulous a step up from Mercedes for sure. I was extremely impressed with it it was also very quick in EV form my main criticism was a bit too stiffly sprung for a luxury car perhaps the added weight of the battery did not help
I went to visit the 'showroom/shop' at Battersea Power station last Sunday. I had been intrigued by the round around car G70 sporting brake that had been added to Shmee's garage in a recent video. Unfortunately they didn't have the car in the 'shop' and they also had another car that you could no longer buy. The staff, while very polite, had no knowledge of the cars, only suggesting that I visit the website to find out more and if interested book a test drive from the website. If Genesis are serious in increasing market share and positioning the brand, they will have to try a lot harder. I've had 7 Audi's since 2010 but feel they have lost the soul of what Audi used to be. Looking at alternatives, unfortunately Genesis will only be a small 'left field' option unless they take their presence in the market seriously. They generally appeared to be a high quality product, very well detailed and a car I would really want to understand more, but all the effort apparently needs to come from the customer rather than the company.
Genesis looks are starting to grow on me. Great video as always!
A guy in our building swesrs by Genesis, he's had a few of them but I've never seen another one. Great looking cars and surprisingly luxury feeling
I have it in 4wd option and I love this car. Had before this a Maserati ghibli q4 and I prefore now Genesis.
Genesis make tasteful cars for discerning individuals!
As reliability goes probably it the better choice of the lot. And value for money too
Excellent review as always, your smile tells me you might end up with one of these as a bargain barge one day ...
I have a 2015 Genesis 3.8 = this car is build like MB and BMW was build in 90´s = QUALITY !!!
I would have one of these over any over rated Mercedes, BMW or Audi. But my favourite car of this type of car is a Lexus ES.
I'd say its picking up the mantle of the dear-departed VW Phaeton. Luxurious, lots of toys, not a bad price, not a great badge though
I hate the fact that Genesis are not in Bulgaria... love the way they look
Having owned the kia version, the only downside i have is the depreciation. Perfect car for us "blend into the background" drivers
Instead of buying this, I bought a 2011 s550 and do not regret my decision. This is good but that gen Mercedes - even better.
I imagine the tyres really helped when pushing on and on :)
We got a Genesis GV70 (SUV) and it's been great. Best compact SUV of the ones we tested (BMW X3, Range Rover Evoque, Audi Q5, Lexus RX, Mercedes GLC, etc.).
However, the dealership experience could be better.
As a Saab fan mourning the death of quirky-yet-competent 9-5, I do find Genesis G80 a rather interesting and unique proposition. I've seen a few of the Electrified G80 running around my streets as a former operational vehicle for G-20 Conference in Indonesia a few years back, looks nicer than your usual po-faced 5-series or E-Class.
Interesting car with good specs, just like 5 series and E class used to be in the past, well built, pleasing to drive, equipped and priced smartly. Genesis is becoming a popular brand in the UAE where petrol prices are still cheaper than in the west.
I do miss Saab but I'm not bored with BMW yet ;-)
Nice looking car. Interesting.
You have to switch off sports cars perspective and give us a review from a potential buyer. We're looking at this car wanting a soft and quiet ride and there wasn't much detail given into that aspect - living with it. Not hooning it.
when, or if, available for me it's going to the top of the 'seriously considering one' list
What I notice about the Genesis, even though you did not mention it and did not use it, is the cruise control: on the wheel where it should be.; Porsche (and Toyota) relegates cruise control to a stick behind the wheel, not placing it on the wheel under your right hand thumb - where it should be! I have a question I believe is worthy: "Why would an automobile - as in "auto" "mobile" - manufacturer give "shelf-space priority" to audio and telephone, and not to cruise control?"
first thing that springs to mind with a Genesis is the Star Trek film.
Nice different car mind
Here in Ontario Canada, these guys have really dented the "premium" brans like BMW, Audi And Benz (we totally forget about the JAAGGG). Their raiding the bmw engineers is paying off. There are now wait lists for GENESIS vehicles. THAT GOOD (i don't like to wait). We are lucky and can get the bigger motors.
Okay it is buried in a screen menu but if you didn't like the brakes there is a sport setting that can be selected, fun when you are pressing on but too sharp for town and trafic. Oh and here in Australia even my SUV GV70 comes with Michelin Pilot sport 4s as we dont need all season tyres.
I just wish they were a bit more adventurous with the engine options over here in the UK. A G70 shooting brake with the 3.3L V6 of the Kia Stinger (which the G70 saloon gets an option of in the states) would have been incredible. Seems like they're playing far too safely stereotypical. Americans "don't like estates" so they don't get the shooting brake, and Europeans "don't want a big engine" so we only get the 4 pots.
Funnily enough my 3.3 Stinger gets better fuel economy figures than that on average!
Europeans would drive nothing but American V8 if they could afford it 😁 But we can't, so we don't