Dr.Jordan B Peterson on Why the SJW Ideology is so popular on University Campuses
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2017
- Dr.Jordan B Peterson on Why the SJW Mentality is so popular on University Campuses.
Extract from a Rebel media interview. ► • Jordan Peterson on Mil...
"It's low resolution". I love that. A low-resolution ideology.
480p 24 fps quality though processes
the SJWs need a new graphics card
You "love that" but you DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY. .... If a feeble charlatan like Peterson can hynotize you with a meaningless phrase, you MIGHT be an idiot my friend.
still stuck on good old 1024 x 768
Mark Marsh If he'd said "facile" or "unsophisticated" would it be okay to agree then?
Jordan Peterson is (mostly) right. SJWs are often people who want the patina of intellectual depth, but don't want to (or haven't yet been forced to) do any of the deep digging.
They're like Randroids. You see them all over college campuses, but not too much among people who have had to deal with real world complexity.
"you can sound like an intellectual without having to think" - brilliant.
Harry Radley
That's just spot on, isn't it Harry?! X^D
And get peer approval for it (and peer approval isn't real love or kindness, obviously!)
Too true - dissenting from ideology hasn't been this unpopular in a very long time. It's troubling how expressing a reasonable opinion can make you a pariah these days.
Jordan Peterson - Canadian Hero
When will he be awarded the Medal of Bravery ? He's earned it by now Id say.
He'll get it after this current ridiculous leadership ends.
He's the Canadian GI Joe.
Just a hero, mate. We love him in the UK too. Haven’t heard him say one thing I disagree with.
Not only Canadian but also Korean...and I believe that some other countries need him desperately.
If you want an employee who knows everything, employ a teenager.
Ken Wells I'll remember that one!
And hope the teenager shows up.
I will admit right here that I am lapping up almost everything Peterson says, like a cat with milk. Many, many people will criticise. Why not? Its easy, nothing is perfect. Tearing somebody else down is no problem. Peterson criticises, but he has a structure and reason to offer as an alternative.
That is very rare, and why I find him so powerful of an intellect. I strongly recommend anyone who likes what he hears to check out the RUclips on his lecture at Linfield College. I copied the abstract, and it now hangs on my wall.
Christian Libertarian Listening to him is so powerful. I used to watch so much useless crap but the value of his words and a few others is not measurable.
Postmodernism as the last form of nihilism is inevitable fate of Western Culture, regrettably but fact.
And now we see the western intellectuals even such as Petersen are incapable to create alternative ideological platform to oppose it to postmodernism.
Because the philosophical ground they stand is the first stage of the same nihilism from which postmodernism has born.
Кот Методист I don't agree with you, but I would like you to elaborate. To me, Peterson is rejecting post modernism, and returning to the Christian and scientific base that has been the hallmark of Western civilization since its inception. You disagree, so I want to hear more from you, especially since you say nihilism is inevitable.
Christian
There are many aspects of that question.
Mystical and philosophical are more important two.
If we take to consider the philosophical one:
As I see Peterson`s views are based on anthropology created by Enlightenment. This anthropology consider human as individuum - independent social atom and proclaim that his liberty and individuality are absolute values.
Liberty in this case is the state of being free from all authorities and all forms of collective identity (religious one in the first place).
Postmodernists too have the word "liberty" on their flag as you can see and are following the same way. But they just go further.
They proclaim the free not only from medeival forms of collective identity against which Enlightenment fought.
But from race, gender, logic and all things and authorities in which modern western man believed.
I.e. postmodernists just continue the Enlightenment`s project of "liberation" man. And Jordan Petersen`s views based on it too.
Kot . Peterson has an answer to that line of thinking, though not expressed here. He basically argues that in the real world, all different choices are not equal, as the post modernists would argue. Almost all lead to catastrophe. The one we have chosen has lead to the greatest prosperity of mankind ever. And that includes logic, and scientific analysis. No single person or group has lead us here, so we should not believe that we can just throw everything away and start over based on some one new idea.
In my mind, there is a parallel between Peterson's thoughts and the quantum physics described by Richard Feynman. In Feynman's universe, there are an infinity of infinities that a particle can possibly travel, but almost all of those possible paths are eliminated by various mathematical reasons, and by circumstance. Only a few paths have a high enough probability that a particle actually appears at the end. So is society, with an infinite number of paths, funnelled into only a few that can exist in the real world.
Just musing.
This dude is a genius.
He's one of the diminishing group that still gives value to the title of professor.
MrTsiolkovsky In time he will be recognized as one of te great thinkers of this generation. Unbelievable how his mind works.
The post modern look at art says that the Mona Lisa and graffiti on a bathroom wall are equal. Except we all know that it's not true.
Depends on the graffiti.
Where do 'they' say that? Precise references please.
'they' totally 'say' 'that,' good thing 'we' know 'its' not 'true!'
Depends honestly
The real issue with social justice warriors isn't that they're critical of things, it's that they're obnoxiously contrarian about everything, without any clear endgame in mind. Everything needs to be challenged, no matter how accepted or utilitarian it is.
Think there are only two broad gender identities which are informed by biology, hence the reason you see the same gender roles in every major human civilization that's ever existed? Well look at this one in fifty thousand people who's tough to categorize. THEREFORE, the categories have no worth anymore. Even though it's still applicable to 99.9% of people.
The issue with SJWs is that they advocate diversity of everything except thought.
Rick Lane Well first things first, I'm curious what article(s?) this is you're copy-pasting from, since I'm noticing bracketed numbers suggesting citations.
Second, a hermaphrodite is defined as having male and female gonads simultaneously, so I'm pretty hesitant to believe nearly one in every fifty people is one, and that might also indicate you aren't even consistent on your own lingo.
Third, every one of the non XX and XY categories you describe is attributable to malfunctions in meiotic division of chromosomes in either the oocyte or the spermatogonial stem cells, and hence is a birth defect (explaining A, why they're exceedingly rare in the general population; a few births per thousand as your own copy pasted article says, B, why they're often associated with health or developmental issues since they're comparable to other aneuploidies ie Down Syndrome, and C that a binary is indeed the "default" of the system, as even your own source points out that Y chromosomes have overwhelming phenotypic dominance and can initiate their effect even in spite of 4:1 x chromosomes.
Fourth, and again as your own article states, it's hierarchical. As in, everything gonadal, hormonal, etc, can be tied to karyotype most easily, or other birth defects such as androgen/estrogen receptor insensitivity second. So the notion that someone who, for instance, has XX chromosomes, a vagina and uterus but doesn't go through puberty to develop secondary sex characteristics is an entirely different category to female and not just a female with a benign form of biological flaw is kind of sophistic.
Fifth, and as I said earlier, gender identities aren't monolithic; there's no "perfect" male or female, and there's wiggle room in expression. However, the fact that you are going to find common traits in biological males and females on every continent and in every era says to me there's biology heavily informing aspects of gender identity, as there's too much time and distance between for them to have cropped up separately, and not enough variation to have all originated immutably from a common cultural source. So, same statement as before, calling it a binary is still utilitarian; the statistically insignificant exceptions don't invalidate what is functionally still the rule in a staggering majority of people.
Rick Lane So here's a question; would you say that human neural /cranial development exists on a spectrum, and hence Down Syndrome isn't actually a birth defect? Or would you say it's an unfortunate mishap of reproduction which has obvious deleterious effects compared to the broader population? Because if you'd concede that "yes, Down Syndrome is in fact a syndrome", you'd be intellectually dishonest to say that intersex conditions are not a mishap of biology.
I'm not saying they aren't human, any more than I'm saying that people with cri-du-chat aren't human. I'm saying that their bodies dropped the ball at some point and in the absence of said issues, every last one of them would have been born biologically male or female because as your own freaking citation pointed out, XX and XY make up the colossal majority of the population, and most variations from that are either outright fatal or plainly sub optimal.
So yes, sorry to put it, but when something as basic as "this person has breasts; 98-99% of people with breasts identify as female; this person probably identifies as female" is pretty much *the definition of utilitarian*.
Also, personal side note, I don't demand or expect opportunity, I create it for myself, and reject identity-based validation for the narcissism it is. I worked my ass of such that when I was accepted to two masters programs, I was able to reject the one that was likely a diversity hire (as, somehow, the guy who ended up taking that position was *also* a gay guy like yours truly. Who'd have thought?), and instead get one in my topic of choice; reproductive endocrinology. The one you're actively avoiding talking about honestly.
Trevor P I agree. Suggesting that there is a whole spectrum of genders and that biological sex is a social construct because a very small percentage is born with ambiguous genitalia is absurd. Being born intersex is an abnormality. People are suppose to be male or female. I wouldn't be surprised if people started saying that we live in a ten finger normative society because a few people here and there are born with six fingers on each hand.
Hate to beat a dead horse, Rick, but I forgot to dredge up that the 1.7% intersex figure is going on the definition of a single person, Anne Fausto-Sterling, and not the widely used clinical definition. The 1.7% isnt a single condition, either, it is *all* conditions with any degree of disruption to hormonal or phenotypic outcomes, of which almost 90% is attributable to a single totally benign condition called late-onset congenital adrenal hyperplasia. This, unlike regular CAH, doesn't actually alter gonadal/ genital formation or puberty at all (hence "late onset") and might result in something as simple as a biological female who can still bear children getting acne or having irregular menstrual cycles. Filtering out similar conditions that don't fit clinical intersex definitions (Klinefelter, Turner syndrome, etc), the percentage of true bona fide intersex people in the population shrivels to about 0.018% (Leonard Sax, Journal of Sex Research, August 2002 issue).
So I mean, once again it's not tough to see why people classify biological sex as a binary when every deviation from it is exceedingly rare, even in aggregate, and are *all* attributable to birth defects or varying severities. And as biological beings, it's not a huge stretch to suspect that biology informs psychology, ie gender identity.
I'm flabergasted that any of this needs to be explained.
In case there are any SJWs watching who clearly missed their mouse click on "leftist propaganda"
That's what we've come to.
What an honest assessment of Milo's antics. Peterson knows.
Every point Dr. Peterson just said was extremely cogent, articulate and persuasive.
That is exactly how his lectures are as well. I highly recommend you watch them even if psychology might seem completely uninteresting.
A great way to be able to claim victimhood without actually having to suffer the effects of being a victim.
Very good interviewer !
Except for when he pulls away the microphone from the interviewee while the interviewee is speaking.
No one is perfect.
pal joey Yes, but oftentimes the interviewer is a real dolt. I thought the same thing and agree with the OP.
5:52 "Well, I'm a comedian. You can't take a joke?" along with that facial expression? Gold
It has to be no coincidence that totalitarian regimes DESPISE comedy and jokes, especially at their expense. The whole subject of comedy within communist countries is a fascinating (and often tragic) one.
Jordan Petersen laid it out perfectly in this video. The guy is very well reasoned.
Seems like all the youtube videos with Peterson are on positions on social justice, campus free speech, etc. I mostly agree with him here, but I think it's kind of weird he is so known for this, and not his works in psychology which I think are quite unique and accessible.
He got much more attention for this because as a University Professor he had the balls to say those things on social justice. He risked so much to do this and really is the canary in the coal mine. He has said it so well and because of his psychology explains it amazingly well.
That is why in my opinion.
I personally watch every single one of his lectures as well (Maps of Meaning being my favorite) , they are so enriching.
"All RUclips videos", learn to tell the truth. Go to his channel.
Doesn't oppressor and oppressed only make sense inside a value system ? #theendofpostmodernism
there is no way to avoid a value system. Disregarding all value systems is a subjective value system in and of itself. That is why the post-modernists don't make any sense...well one of the many reasons anyway.
Julius Caesar postmodernism denies the very existence of logic.
But you can't coherently deny anything without accepting the basic principles of logic; without the law of noncontradiction or at least the law of nontrivialism, the act of negating something doesn't preclude the fact that the same thing may also be true.
Or think of it like this: suppose a postmodernist comes up with a coherent argument _against_ rationality and they persuade you to _reject_ all rational standards as being valueless in the determination of truth; suppose you accept the validity of their argument, but then turn around and nevertheless _deny_ that rationality should be rejected. Now, suppose further that your postmodernist interlocutor were to become incensed at this and protest, "but you just admitted that my argument against rationality was a valid argument, so how can you now turn around and tell me that you still believe in rationality? That's... that's..."
"...that's what," you could interject, "irrational?"
In other words, you can't use a method of justification to justify the abandonment of any and all methods of justification; it's like cutting off the branch you're sitting on.
Wasn't that the point? If oppression is a result of value systems then removing value systems removes oppression.
To which Jordan responds by noting that humans have to have value systems or they fall into a dark hole of complete nihilism and hence value systems are inherent and inevitable.
Its actually a fascinating observation, the paradox of systems of value. I mean I don't quite agree that these systems are oppressive, but the mechanism alone is fascinating (if we accept the premise).
+Rosemary Lee
That's why arguments between postmodernists never go anywhere. Postmodernists need logically thinking people as victims, otherwise it doesn't work.
As I've said in comments on other videos: In the 1960s and 1970s it was the left who championed freedom of expression and the right who wanted to curtail it. Now it almost seems to be the other way around! As Milo Yiannopoulos put it, "The real division now is not between left and right but between libertarians and authoritarians".
"There won't be nothing left to measure anymore..." -Leonard Cohen, The Future
the camera-work on this vid is so dreamy @_@
Kids, with the stubbornness of adolescence. wanting to blame everyone else instead of taking responsibility for their lives
Possibly the most enlightning interview he has given. Credit to the interviewer for asking pertinent questions too. His last comment re anything can happen is so true. In both Britain and the US its chaos politically and God knows how we will come out with f it. Hope he tours Britain. Love to see him. I was a great follower of Tony Benn in my youth but he had many issues but was also a great thinker. Peterson seems to have taken it on another level and ridicules blindly following ideologies something I've always though was ridiculous since I was a teenager. Only problem is how we stem the flow of postmodernism in universities. On Facebook you are shot down for battling against perceived wisdom. It's quite frightening how it's happening. Anybody got any bids of him in Australian a. I'd be most grateful if someone could post one.
brilliant , brilliant here jp !!! minutes 1.50-2.50, brilliant ty
Very good interviewer!!! :)
Wow, he was so right about being uncertain regarding the future of Milo, literally said, "he's playing an extraordinarily dangerous game".
This guy is brilliant. "I've figured out a way to monetize SJWs" -Jordan Peterson 👏🏽🙏🏼😂✌🏼️
You are so right...keep fighting for the TRUTH...Canada needs people like You!!!!
where can I find full interview.
In regards to the statement about provocateurs and comedians. We should call them artists. This reminded me of two quotes from Marshall McLuhan:
""I think of art, at its most significant, as a DEW line, a Distant Early Warning system that can always be relied on to tell the old culture what is beginning to happen to it."
"The great artist is always seen as being ahead of his time because he lives in the present."
Thank you very much. :)
I am so goddamn happy that I had a similar perspective to SJW's when I was a young teenager so I could grow out of it.
Free speech brotha 👆
THIS GUY IS MY HERO.
So glad to see Dr. Peterson like he is now...I was so worried of him a year ago.
Now he will win.
i have been scowering you tube for bits and peices of his lectures for days now. say what you want about his political beleifes but this mans mind is somthing to behold.
The part about light touch and mastery.
On the subject you speak on can you pick out the best and do some show the differances, if there is any between Americans and Canadians. P.S. I like Jung a lot also.
hahaha, who is giving this a thumbs down? I shudder to think.
Very interesting analysis of mylo
How can the video end there????????????
"well.. You know, there wer..." I loved that.
endless amounts of respect for this man.
Video ends right in the middle of an answer?
Jordan Peterson at the top of his game. This clip is fantastic.
Without a value system you have no way of clearly identifying oppressor and oppressed, except perhaps by what stuff they have that the other wants.
lol, "you can learn it in a week, you sound intellectual, and you don't have to do any actual work" - brilliant
the camera quality is unprecedented
I wish the video would have continued
You work at The Rebel Media! Thanks dude! Keep it up, you are pretty good!
Humor allows you to say what you wish without being attacked by the ones you criticize. There's a journalist in Brazil who does that perfectly. Felipe Moura Brasil. He's very professional but he's also very ironic and sarcastic.
That's a nice analysis of Milo and comedians in general, I think.
As a man who is intelligent enough to know their ignorance may I say that I do like a Peterson interview at any turn. It's almost like he has an objective value for what is right and what is wrong and it leaves me somewhat flabbergasted amongst this rigmarole we call life.
_Yes, some effort went into that or at least a greater degree than the prerequisite of precedent would demand lol. Curse my inebriation but it does make for good lubrication of one's though processes._
This man deserves immense respect.
the cosmic schmuck principle - Robert Anton Wilson
At 0:38, I find myself wondering how, in the absence of a value system, one would distinguish between the oppressed and the oppressor. I would think that one would be left without any basis for doing so, even in principle, and thus unable to coherently claim that the distinction is a real one. Not that this would slow down an SJW.
You know how to know who's oppressed and who the oppressor without a value system ?
The guy who get to fuck the hot chicks and the guy who doesn't.
That's what it all comes down to. Because if the woman decides not to get in a relationship with you, she's discriminating against you right ? That's why consent is discrimination in itself. In a post-modernist value-less utopia consent doesn't exist, you must consent to everything.
That's why I like to say capitalism is consent, authoritarianism is rape.
We need more people like Milo
Peeps who have no problem taking the piss out of a bad situation and can turn it into something funny
Comedy is always the first casualty of censorship.
I'd pay serious money to watch Jordan, and Milo have a discussion.
That comment on Milo is too real.
Never mind Ghandi or Malcome X......This is a great man.
i may be left handed, but i still think with the right side of my brain
New buzzword to replace equality: "Uniqueness"
Uhm. Where's the end of the video?
Found it. Never mind
interesting
It's uncanny how Peterson mentioned that Milos is playing a dangerous game.
Some don't like to be judged on their merit
SJW Ideology is the equivalent of thinking Mc Donalds sells health food.
Mr. P can articulate. I am in awe.
God, I love this man.
Very good but why was it cut short - he was still saying something??
why did Christopher hitchens have to die?
He did his more than his fair share. Your remembrance will make him live forever.
I feel the same way. Every time I hear a story like Jordan Peterson's I always wonder what the Hitch would say about it
***** The overwhelming truth he found probably made him depressed lol
True that. And why did George Carlin have to die?
So that you could start thinking for yourself.
Is Dr. Jordan in the series Alias Grace a wink at Dr. Peterson?
i have a huge doubt you kept your video within fair use framework .. but besides of that .. you picked a very good and important part of the interview, very worthwile watching it .. AND to think about the arguments!
I'm no expert in fair use, but I read that recontextualizing is part of fair use. ( Here I extracted a very specific part of Jordan Peterson's answer and titled it, in a very different manner to the original). But I will be sure to go over Fair Use Law again, thank you for the heads up I truly appreciate it.
this man is my idol
The ideology appeals to so many young people because its incredibly tempting to say that you didn't succeed in something because of your race, gender, etc.
A lot of the people who like this idea do not wish to believe that they are responsible for their own actions. its honestly the way a child thinks, and its absurd that young adults in america are latching onto this ideology. they need to grow up.
Jordan Peterson is a social injustice warrior (SIW).
the walls of social justice have cramped in on us for years - Milo pushes back and makes the air breathable again
They will come and go
Age and treachery always beats youth and enthusiasm
Who is milo that they're talking about ?
I guess Milo Yiannopoulos.
hes genious
Actually scientists, I am a physicist, often assume extreme things to help form a general theory. For example, Feynman first looked at QED in a one-dimensional space. See what happens. It does not always give the correct qualitative answers, for example the Ising model in 1-d has no phase transitions. But in 2-d it does like the 3-d case.
I personally assumed that a system had periodic boundary conditions that were unphysical but it allowed me to solve the problem in closed form. The answer was close to the real answer.
Scientists like comedians look at extremes because they illuminate the real problem. Galileo realised that if he neglected friction, he would get the correct laws of motion abandoning 1800 years of Aristotelian dynamics. But friction is everywhere on Earth, so it was almost assuming a ludicrous world--- something the Church was truly aware in its criticism of Galileo.
Comedians do the same. The QC comedian Mike Ward pointed out, using the "Little Jeremy", how one can use one's handicap to score more than one deserves. That what the messag for which he paid a price. It is even true of Stephen Hawkins.
Ward got into trouble but it is a good way to examine things: assume extreme cases and work out the consequences.
So, more simply put, could one say that taking an extreme view can be a tool that allows one to gain new perspective and/or clarify an issue?
Wow, his self scrutiny at the end was a little surprising.
I love his accent.
I think Jordan really liked this interviewer ahaha he asked good questions
Please correct the spelling in your title. If people choose to share this video, the misspelling reflects poorly on the content.
Done. Hadn't noticed the typo after a week of publishing it, and at that point I was reluctant on changing it, didn't want to mess with algorithms etc... Anyway thanks for the feedback.
I can just see Milo's giant smile right about now and i am sure he is going to talk about it to his fans because this all leads to inflating his ego. And i am betting he is going to dress up as a jester or clown for just because Dr.Jordan B Peterson said it.
Right cannot exist without left. Neither does the pendulum cease to swing.
Milo is the Trickster, Peterson is the Wise Man/ Magician, we need to find all the other archetypes
Hayek talked about social justice in The Road to Serfdom. He of course denounced it. Any free society must acknowledge the individual and social justice destroys the individual.
Social injustice can destroy/damage individuals too, it's not a black and white issue, inconveniently ;)
You're generalising: I know people involved in social justice, and they are much too intelligent to blame all of a "group" for that group's past crimes, although there is a VERY loud minority who do just that.
+Peter Ozanne- The silent majority are irrelevant, and it is because of this loud minority, that everyone generalizes as such. I could be wrong in my assessment, that everyone for social justice is the same, but I am correct in that most people's idea of social justice advocates are this loud minority you speak of. They make anyone associated with the word look like shit too. The ones who aren't like them need to call them on their bullshit.
ended abruptly
Beauty is intrinsically worthwhile... whoa there, careful now... that's extreme talk
My name is Turd Ferguson
Why did you cut it in the middle of his sentence?
milo is a "Jester", not a gesture...just wanted to clear that up...
It seems to me at least that the main priority of SJW is to get their emotional addictions like approval & recognition met from their peers, and avoid attack from them at all costs (& I have heard from ex-SJW that they can be very judgemental & vicious, & that does fit my observation & interactions with them).
When thinking about comedians, remember a fellow called Lenny Bruce. History might be repeating itself in a weird way.
I love Milo. I’m glad Peterson sees the value in what he is doing.
He's become completely irrelevant over the last year though. His prime time is long gone.
9:25
well there were what? there were what god damn it ?
Yeah, why cut it off right before completing the answer to the LAST QUESTION?? Annoying.
MAI SENPAII!
Peterson-San ! Yamete!