You actually give honest truthful opinions & facts, including negatives. The bigger E-bike reviewers are always positive & vague & barely ever mention the negatives. Also, no other reviewer travels to the USA to test derestricted modes!
Haha thanks I appreciate that. Yeah I hope they keep sending me bikes despite the negatives. I do try to be positive on the whole especially as most of the bikes I test are comparatively cheap at least compared to other ebikes. But it's amazing how often negatives I've found aren't mentioned. Thanks for watching 👍👍
@@e-VRC It’s got me out and about after serious illness. Great reviews by the way, I bought the PVY Z20 MAX after watching your reviews so if I have problems down the line I’ll come looking for you!😂
I bought the ADO Air 20S to take on holiday as PVY let me down with their constant pushing back of their delivery dates for the MAX. I have them both now I would get the Air 20S (international version) over the Lisbon it is more or less a copy of it anyway, but the ADO has been out a while and has no kinks and is a fine bike, I love riding it. The MAX has been a bit disappointing its torque sensor is nowhere near as responsive as on the Air so much so I use the throttle a lot. Also what a crazy Idea to only have the throttle working on power level zero only. I hate that. My suspension on the MAX is not as bad as yours pretty good actually but the key position to switch on the bike could not be in a more awkward position. Also there is no way the MAX has a 750W motor unlocked or 80NM either, I have an Engwe E26 70NM and 750W and it blows the MAX away. I am a heavy rider on power lever 3 (have chosen 3 over 5 levels in the settings) I get 20 miles on the Bottle battery only and 30 miles with the frame battery 50 mile total.
@@Maverick247 yeah I dunno if you saw the review of the max, the 80nm definitely isn't true. I'd love to try the Air, ado were the first brand I ever worked with but we haven't since.
I'm happy with my bike. I've had my Max for about 4 weeks and done 300+ miles. This is my first ebike so I've nothing to compare it to. The torque sensor seems pretty instant to me. My suspension seems okay and much quieter than yours. The battery clonks a bit inside the frame so I've shimmed it and its quiet now. Using the throttle and PAS 3, I get 20ish miles on the bottle and 30ish from the main battery, so same as Maverick247. Top speed is max 24mph PAS 3 and max 20ish with throttle, and that's after changing the freewheel too a 11-28. Personally I've now removed the throttle and just pedal, unlocked it cruises along between 17-22mph nicely, and that suits me fine. Check the bolts, my side stand fell off. Lol.
My side stand came loose too it was hanging on by about one thread of one of the two bolts the other bolt was completely undone but still in the stand that if I had not stopped when I did I would surely have lost it. I too am going to change the freewheel to 11-28 (should have it in the next day or two) To eliminate ghost pedalling after 15mph
@@e-VRC Mine gives an instant kick but I would rather have a cadence sensor as I am disabled and have problems putting in effort what I was saying about the difference between the Air 20 and the MAX torque sensor is both are pretty instant but the max always seems to require effort to keep the bike motor running where as the Air is just as instant starting but acts more like a cadence sensor providing power to the motor with less effort. I have went into the menu on both bikes and set the sensitivity perimeters for the torque sensor to similar settings
@@Maverick247 I hear ya. Torque sensors are great but they should all give the option of ghost pedalling for full power. If a bike has a throttle I'd always prefer it coupled with a cadence sensor. Even if it didn't have one I think I'd take the hill starting hit and still go cadence. But proper cyclists who want to cycle would nearly all choose torque I guess.
@@e-VRC Yes would be great if you could choose before adding to your basket which you prefer I think some Whisper e-bikes allow for that. Engwe is bringing out a new L20 tomorrow with a boost function but replacing the cadence sensor with a torque sensor I may buy the old one while they still have them. The best option would be what the Juiced RipCurrent does has both and you can choose in the menu
have you ever considered doing a DIY build and then making a video comparing it to similarly priced pre-built ebikes on the market?. I think it would be pretty interesting as you can get a chinese rear hub for next to nothing these days.
Hey there e-VRC I don’t have an e bike. I’m just wondering if you have any spares and I really do want one and I enjoy your content! Please if you have any just let me know I know the answer is no but yeah I just give it a shot thanks mate!
I think you need to stop going to america, i've noticed you keep forgetting to drive on the right, i would suggest instead you should goto Jamaica, they also drive on the left, but you should be able to use unlocked bikes there
Are you sure it’s the forks bottoming out on the City or could it be the battery rattling in the frame some of the time and the forks only bottom out occasionally?
Whilst the forks can bottom out the noise is from the suspension decompressing and returning to full length and sort of hitting the top. However there are other people in the comments who say theirs is much quieter.
*Libon has more a commuter look and Max generally looks more cool* 🤟🏽⚡️🤙🏽 Nobody wants a stressed out motor 😭 hard enough gettin stressed out as a human 😂 I like 1 v 1 comparisons 👌🏽👌🏽
@@eBoard3R there's something about the look of the Libon I really like. I think it's kinda retro futuristic. I think it was the controller that overheated. But I tried to recreate a hill in my garden by accelerating whilst holding the bike back and the motor kinda skipped 😬🤷
I won an auction/bidding on eBay UK for Libon £300, but the seller said the lock keys were lost (now he's looking for PVY for key replacement) and he said it locked the two batteries and folding scheme also which I think the folding isn't lockable. Considering the motor problems you said in the video, should I wait for the replacement of the keys and purchase it or not? Any idea?
@@hazanzain if it's legit and it all works fine then 300 is amazing for that bike just don't do big bills throttle only. It'll be less than a quarter of the price
Which bike would you get if you had to choose? Let us know in the comments.
You actually give honest truthful opinions & facts, including negatives.
The bigger E-bike reviewers are always positive & vague & barely ever mention the negatives.
Also, no other reviewer travels to the USA to test derestricted modes!
Haha thanks I appreciate that. Yeah I hope they keep sending me bikes despite the negatives. I do try to be positive on the whole especially as most of the bikes I test are comparatively cheap at least compared to other ebikes. But it's amazing how often negatives I've found aren't mentioned. Thanks for watching 👍👍
You must have acquired a lot of airmiles by now dude with all those trips. 😂
I bought the PVY Z20 MAX, so far so good.😊
@@KimSenior awesome hope it treats you well 👍
@@e-VRC It’s got me out and about after serious illness. Great reviews by the way, I bought the PVY Z20 MAX after watching your reviews so if I have problems down the line I’ll come looking for you!😂
@@KimSenior that's great news. Ebikes are amazing for that 👌👍
I bought the ADO Air 20S to take on holiday as PVY let me down with their constant pushing back of their delivery dates for the MAX. I have them both now I would get the Air 20S (international version) over the Lisbon it is more or less a copy of it anyway, but the ADO has been out a while and has no kinks and is a fine bike, I love riding it.
The MAX has been a bit disappointing its torque sensor is nowhere near as responsive as on the Air so much so I use the throttle a lot. Also what a crazy Idea to only have the throttle working on power level zero only. I hate that. My suspension on the MAX is not as bad as yours pretty good actually but the key position to switch on the bike could not be in a more awkward position. Also there is no way the MAX has a 750W motor unlocked or 80NM either, I have an Engwe E26 70NM and 750W and it blows the MAX away. I am a heavy rider on power lever 3 (have chosen 3 over 5 levels in the settings) I get 20 miles on the Bottle battery only and 30 miles with the frame battery 50 mile total.
@@Maverick247 yeah I dunno if you saw the review of the max, the 80nm definitely isn't true. I'd love to try the Air, ado were the first brand I ever worked with but we haven't since.
I agree completely regarding the key position!
@@KimSenior Yep. The key position sucks.
I'm happy with my bike.
I've had my Max for about 4 weeks and done 300+ miles. This is my first ebike so I've nothing to compare it to. The torque sensor seems pretty instant to me.
My suspension seems okay and much quieter than yours. The battery clonks a bit inside the frame so I've shimmed it and its quiet now.
Using the throttle and PAS 3, I get 20ish miles on the bottle and 30ish from the main battery, so same as Maverick247. Top speed is max 24mph PAS 3 and max 20ish with throttle, and that's after changing the freewheel too a 11-28.
Personally I've now removed the throttle and just pedal, unlocked it cruises along between 17-22mph nicely, and that suits me fine.
Check the bolts, my side stand fell off. Lol.
@@Phallenuk sounds great. Yeah it's a good speed and the torque sensor gives a nice instant kick 👌
My side stand came loose too it was hanging on by about one thread of one of the two bolts the other bolt was completely undone but still in the stand that if I had not stopped when I did I would surely have lost it. I too am going to change the freewheel to 11-28 (should have it in the next day or two) To eliminate ghost pedalling after 15mph
@@e-VRC Mine gives an instant kick but I would rather have a cadence sensor as I am disabled and have problems putting in effort what I was saying about the difference between the Air 20 and the MAX torque sensor is both are pretty instant but the max always seems to require effort to keep the bike motor running where as the Air is just as instant starting but acts more like a cadence sensor providing power to the motor with less effort. I have went into the menu on both bikes and set the sensitivity perimeters for the torque sensor to similar settings
@@Maverick247 I hear ya. Torque sensors are great but they should all give the option of ghost pedalling for full power. If a bike has a throttle I'd always prefer it coupled with a cadence sensor. Even if it didn't have one I think I'd take the hill starting hit and still go cadence. But proper cyclists who want to cycle would nearly all choose torque I guess.
@@e-VRC Yes would be great if you could choose before adding to your basket which you prefer I think some Whisper e-bikes allow for that. Engwe is bringing out a new L20 tomorrow with a boost function but replacing the cadence sensor with a torque sensor I may buy the old one while they still have them. The best option would be what the Juiced RipCurrent does has both and you can choose in the menu
have you ever considered doing a DIY build and then making a video comparing it to similarly priced pre-built ebikes on the market?. I think it would be pretty interesting as you can get a chinese rear hub for next to nothing these days.
@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 that's a good idea. I already have a controller and rear hub I got from Engwe.
Hey there e-VRC I don’t have an e bike. I’m just wondering if you have any spares and I really do want one and I enjoy your content! Please if you have any just let me know I know the answer is no but yeah I just give it a shot thanks mate!
I think you need to stop going to america, i've noticed you keep forgetting to drive on the right, i would suggest instead you should goto Jamaica, they also drive on the left, but you should be able to use unlocked bikes there
I love this idea 💡👍👏
I’m amazed to see the max appears to have a rusty cassette, or is it just an illusion from the camera?
@@garycwikla6385 hmm could be an illusion as I didn't notice it myself.
Are you sure it’s the forks bottoming out on the City or could it be the battery rattling in the frame some of the time and the forks only bottom out occasionally?
Whilst the forks can bottom out the noise is from the suspension decompressing and returning to full length and sort of hitting the top. However there are other people in the comments who say theirs is much quieter.
*Libon has more a commuter look and Max generally looks more cool*
🤟🏽⚡️🤙🏽
Nobody wants a stressed out motor 😭 hard enough gettin stressed out as a human 😂
I like 1 v 1 comparisons 👌🏽👌🏽
@@eBoard3R there's something about the look of the Libon I really like. I think it's kinda retro futuristic.
I think it was the controller that overheated. But I tried to recreate a hill in my garden by accelerating whilst holding the bike back and the motor kinda skipped 😬🤷
I won an auction/bidding on eBay UK for Libon £300, but the seller said the lock keys were lost (now he's looking for PVY for key replacement) and he said it locked the two batteries and folding scheme also which I think the folding isn't lockable. Considering the motor problems you said in the video, should I wait for the replacement of the keys and purchase it or not? Any idea?
@@hazanzain if it's legit and it all works fine then 300 is amazing for that bike just don't do big bills throttle only. It'll be less than a quarter of the price
Do you know any good cheap options?
Do you sell these on after review. If so drop me a message please
@@stephenbannister7021 there's a FB marketplace link in description 👍