The justice system in Canada needs a complete overhaul. Total reform!!! Maybe if the Crown or Parole Boards were held more accountable for releasing repeat offenders or dangerous individuals, there would be a lot less cases like this.
I second this. The overall public has continuously had to pay a heavy price, for the past mistakes of a few corrupt individuals. To end up giving up this much leeway to offenders and repeat offenders, is a direct slap in the face to law abiding citizens. In fact, those in the justice system should be charged if harm comes to someone because of their negligence.
bates needs to rot in jail-no parole for this vile person. the parole board and the crown needs to review its policies and take accountability for failing this family from bates
I don't know what's worse, this piece of crap coward or how pathetic our justice system is. How the **** after killing a defenseless elderly woman in her own home, then trying to kill 3 other family members and u have a chance of parole after 16 years???? R u fn kidding me???? And how the hell was that only a 2nd degree murder when the guy fully planned and premeditated that 1st murder by where he parked, what he wore and his disgusting actions that followed. I'm not even mentioning the trauma he's left on the survivors now and his prior trauma he caused on the girl. Not even also mentioning how he tried to go after the 2 cops. SMH.... Someone fire the Prosecutor/Crown attorney for failing and embarrassing our justice system. Even the defense lawyer couldn't believe the Crown offered him that deal which he accepted probably in record time. The surviving grandma said it the best in closing and sadly that's true. The violence, number of victims, trauma and lifetime anguish that these ppl will have to live thru and the Crown with a smile on her face has the audacity to say "well it doesn't necessarily mean hell get out in 16 years". Do your job lady and serve us the ppl with strict sentences and make examples of these monsters instead of setting a precedent like u did here with what seems like a slap on the wrist for such horrible and violent crimes. I'm embarrassed and ashamed that ppl like these who prosecuted this guy is what we have to rely on to serve us and give us justice. And ontop not even give justice for the brave officers who risked their lives aswell to get this piece of trash locked up for life. My deepest condolences to the Araujo family and what they went thru and what they're continuing to go thru esp when there's even a chance this guy will be out again.
I couldn’t have said it better myself, you said what everybody thinks and are talking about the prosecutors and how they are failing the victims and their families. We’ve been through the same system in 2013 when our son was murdered…the prosecutor was incompetent and my husband asked him on the telephone where did he get his license in a Cracker Jack box. You see our son was murdered in Calgary. Miscarriage of justice in the strongest form.
I wonder why he wasn't also charged with attempted murder of a police officer? Even though it was a starter pistol, surely there was intent..pity they couldn't add that charge.
13 years ….THIS IS BS no justice he will come after this family the day he is released he is stewing with anger he needs to be classified as a dangerous offender and never let him out of jail.
Many of those commenting on this story lack an important bit of information which is unavailable to most. In prison, it always becomes known what nature of crimes inmates are incarcerated for. Now understand that there's many ruthless and violent inmates within those walls. Many of whom also have children and families. These do not take well the knowledge of such inmates amongst them and thus they become targeted for 'jailhouse justice' which is an entirely different beast. This perverse man will live in fear and in all likelihood protective custody for his entire sentence or until he is murdered in prison. Take some comfort in that.
Not to blame this [poor family....but I do not understand why Meaghan and her mum went to the house started to go to the basement ! they had suspicions -why didn;t they call the police, her mother coud havre died- and as for the so called Justice system...shocking
Such a shame to the justice system. It serves the criminals, not victims. The victims have to go through the nightmare all over again to make sure that murderers, rapists don't come out. When do they heal??? The justice system needs a reform. Stop being gentle with those who don't deserve that.
It is so sad that the victims stay victims forever, especially with the thought that he may get out of prison one day. They are the ones in prison with that fear. I am not a person who believes in killing, but I wish the police had managed to take Alex's life that day. I agree with other people's comments that the Canadian judicial system needs a major revamping. It is pathetic that a person can kill someone and attempt to kill 3 others, plus rape a young girl, and all he got was life with the possibility of parole in 13 years. I hope to God that the parole board never grants him parole, ever!! I really enjoy these shows. It is nice to see some Canadian crime, and not always the USA. 🇨🇦
Giving light sentences returns such results. concurrent prison time is a direct insult to one of the victims. Canada is a democracy, people should use their power and change the balance of protecting the criminals to safeguard the victims.
I’m not sure which is worse, the sentence or the piss poor prosecution office. There are two sides to every story but whichever way you look at all these facts, including the fact that he already had conditions which he had to adhere to after the initial harassment crime, there is no way this disgusting human being should ever be allowed back on the public streets. Not even mentioning the fact that he held a gun to police officers. Absolute disgrace!!
The Crown shoukd be somewhat held responsible......they should be ashamee of themselves....yet here they are in thier long supid gowns making decisions they dont give a crap about
Omg I thought the Irish justice system was bad but that's a disgusting sentence , he should have got a whole life sentence , hope he gets prison justice and rots in hell
Did you actually watch the program? Can you think critically? The parents were in almost all the pictures. When a crisis happens in a family, we should be able to lean on friends and family to keep us going. They said they clued in that something was wrong as soon as dad came home. Blaming the parents instead of the person who acted worse than an animal is not a very intelligent response, it’s just lazy.
@L-if8kg Why would he he had the parent's blessing/ok to take their daughter with him all over the place. Look at the pictures, there she is sitting right next to the guy when there's an empty chair at the end of the table by her dad. Couldn't they see the signs between their daughter and this dude?
Totally agree. Ridiculous parents. No adult man has any business being so involved with a young girl. Should have been a huge red flag the minute he suggested taking her anywhere
WAIT! WHAT? @20:10 common law wife?! Why wld any parents permit their young daughter to hang out with dad’s friend? Including overnight camping 🏕️ reg flags everywhere!
The laws in Canada need to be revised. They are more for the criminals than the victims. The crown should never ever had gone for a lesser charge and as for the Parole Board, you can’t trust them at all. Our family has been through this when our son was murdered in 2013. A miscarriage of justice and to me it’s corrupt system. The government does not want anyone in prison. I’m so sorry that you lost your Mom and the torture that this criminal put you through 😢
Thanks for sharing this story. She’s a lucky girl to have such supportive, protective and brave parents and grandmother. It infuriates me how little our justice system does to protect victims. It’s sickening
@@chrisboucher9916 I think you might've misunderstood. No worries though, I'll try to clarify. When I say justice system, I am definitely not talking about the police officers - I'm referring to the courts and oftentimes, policy makers. As for if they're good parents, the answer is yes. They're supportive of her. No parent is perfect, but relatively speaking, hers and her grandmother are good. Would love to hear your take on it though, as it's always good to hear different pov's. Cheers!
My ex assaulted me and smashed my computer Christmas Day, 2022. He would have done more to hurt me, but my dad was able to pull him off of me. His trial was in February of 2024 and I was just informed that while the judge had, “grave concerns” about his actions they were letting him off because he promised he would never come back to the city I live in. I explained to them that this is the fourth time he has done this to a partner, but they just didn’t care. He is escalating and no one believes the women he is hurting when they call for help because he technically has no priors :(.
@@Ketowski I agree. I requested an emergency intervention order. There was clear evidence of previous violence (emotional and mental) and that he was escalating. I expressed my concern that he was going to kill me. They refused the request. He was asked by my lawyer to stay in Italy with his relatives over the holidays, as he was there visiting, but he made a special flight home just to disrupt Christmas. The police kept saying that it is his house too and that they don’t deal with civil issues. When they arrived Christmas Day, I was standing in the living room with blood running down my neck. I looked them in the eyes and said, “I asked for your help. I told you this is why he was ping to do.” The system has so many flaws :(
My God ..13 years for 2 counts of attemptted murder and one cound off murder .. isnt that something.... way ta go Canada 🇨🇦 oh and my money is on the fact that he will be out befire he has 10 years behind him ...🤬
Wow!! What a traumatic story. It truly affected me watching what you all went through. I feel for every single one of you. I'm so sorry for the loss of your mother. I don't live in Ontario any longer, but I'm very familiar where this all took place. I grew up in Whitby. Sending love & light to you all as you trudge along this tough journey of healing. Take good care of yourselves. Much love from Fredericton NB 🇨🇦 🙏 ❤
I can’t watch these parents lying through their teeth. They make me sick. Who gives a man the benefit of the doubt regarding an “inappropriate” relationship with their teenage daughter. They knew like a lot of people do and they did nothing for their own selfish reasons. We are living in a time where parents do not get to plead ignorance anymore. They have a duty to educate themselves and protect their children. These losers failed at the basics.
Thank you...the dad is a joke..my friends and other grown men don't hang out and take my 14 year old daughter camping..the daughter is a weirdo..the father is pathetic
The transition from one crime scene to the next was confusing despite watching it over again. Better editing or a more informative segue would be helpful. We don’t know these folks and keeping track of locations and family members got a bit hairy at the end. Very good episode and I feel so bad for all the ppl traumatized by this one disgusting pedophile... that’s what you are, a pedophile. We should trust our close friends and family without being blamed for the actions of others. Hear this, please... NOT THE PARENT’S FAULT.
Not gonna lie, the second I find those tracking devices... I'm arming myself 100% of the time. The police are NOT going to protect you the minute you actually need protection. They can't, they can only show up after you've already needed protection and hope it's not too late to help.
I didn’t finish yet and that’s awful what happened to her. I don’t understand why her dad would let her go alone with a crew of guys camping alone though I would never let my daughter
That was awful, he groom and rape a minor and they let him go. He tried to get out of the country he got caught but they let him go! Failure from the crowns. 3 year later he became a psycho killer they could have prevent this! 26 years jail time with good behavior he will out in 3-5 years LOL
Unjustice system in Canada and the Parole board is absolutely disgraceful! Instead of giving hundreds of millions to other countries, the government should be overhauling the system and the board! Canada is acting on laws that havent been reformed for hundreds of years and judges need to start growing a pair and give criminals max sentences that run consecutively! As far as im concerned, the government is responsible for this tragedy for not taking his crimes seriously! Shame on them!
There’s the same issue in other countries. Crime is growing at an accelerating rate. Too bad the Wealthy Corporations are in bed with China instead of keeping the wealth over here. They squander more wealth every month making other countries richer than governments have in a year.
I'm sorry but you let your 14yr old daughter go camping with your biker friends!!?? ...then she continues to hang out with them...without you??...I dont get that part..
We don't know the circumstances. We weren't there. We can't judge. This predator knew what he was doing and unfortunately his manipulation tactics were enough to gain the trust in this rather large circle of friends. He was a con and played into everyone's emotions and vulnerability. Knew exactly what he was doing. Believe me, it can happen to anyone. Unfortunately, there are many more, just like that snake, out there in society today. We must always be vigilant. This is one crazy messed up world we live in. Just my humble opinion on this post. Thank you.
Wow, well, let's hope if you're a parent that you never have something like this happen. Because you can't have eyes on them 24/7, and stuff like this is happening everywhere. Not just amongst Bikers. How ignorant of you to shame the VICTIMS! I truly hope you're never one. Because Karma is a B.
My God…. My God…… MY GOD. Infuriated doesn’t even begin to describe how I felt when I heard he will be eligible for parole in 13 years. 13 years after MURDER AND 2 ATTEMPTED MURDERS!?!? Let that sink in. Yes, that doesn’t mean he will ever get parole - but still this means that once he does inevitably apply for parole, this poor family has to fight for *why* he shouldn’t ever be released. Then they have to do that every single time he re-applies. Why should they have to continue to suffer like that?!? As if what happened to them collectively isn’t enough, now they have to also have his parole eligibility in their minds in 13 years time…. This man cannot be rehabilitated. This man should *NEVER* walk free, under any circumstance. God forbid he ever does…. This story is utterly devastating on SO many levels. What is wrong with Canada’s Justice system?! People like Alex Bates should never even have the option to be free again. He would be a continued danger to this family, as well as any other people he would come across. I pray this poor family can find some sort of healing together after such trauma… May Alberto’s mother Rest In Peace🕯️🤍😔
She wasn't alone with him, there were other friends of the dad's there and she had her own tent. Don't blame victims . All of this is that monster's fault, no one else's
@nicoles7872 I didn't see someone blaming the victims. It was an honest question, whether justified or not. No one in this thread said it was the parents' fault, nor was it SA's fault.
This is disgusting. How do these people in the judicial system sleep at night. They may not make the laws, but accepting them, when they know they are wrong, is disgusting. Canada has gone to the dogs. Two attempted murders and one murder of a defenceless older woman , and the perpetrator gets his knuckles wrapped. It is time to get real people making the laws, not gutless ones.
They don't create the laws, our government does. If you don't like it then vote for people that will make change or get involved in advocacy. The police and court system have to follow the law and rules as they are written.
How is it possible to have literally no discernment or survival instincts? Why would they let their young daughter be with a grown man? Also her alias is “SA”?
My dad's two best friends were like his brothers like our uncles and they had their kids and then it was me and my sister and we would go camping with them or their kids would go camping with us and we do all family things it wasn't a big deal to send your kids with close family members
@@chantellegattrell7073 this man was not a family member, she was 14 young lady becoming a woman, just think . Even uncles cousins good friends have done this!
In most other countries they'd have thrown away the key. At 41:05 Peel's head crown attorney, Darilynn Alison, whines that the sentence doesn't mean that Bates will get out in 13 years. No, dear, but you miss the points: 1) the sentence gives Bates invaluable HOPE that he will be released in future; and 2) the sentence means that in 13 years' time the victims will have to start going through the trauma of trying to keep him in jail.
8:30 ~ I understand that when someone is in the situation of being faced with a man w/ a gun, threatening them in public daylight, it may be very hard to contest their assailant in the moment. But the truth of the matter is that, the one with the gun is really really hoping you will succumb to his verbal threat. The last thing on earth that would be in his interest is to discharge his firearm in broad daylight, injuring or killing somebody, without knowing who could have seen him, who now has eyes on him, while he has to flee the scene, in foot, having called everyone’s attention to the sound of his weapon for blocks around him. Offenders who are in this position, tend to think real hard about how to verbally pose their threat in an attempt to coerce the victim into quietly following them to a more secluded area, which is exactly what the man did in this case. I would never deign to give advice to resist, but resist on the spot is exactly what I would do. Sure there’s risk. But you have to weigh that risk against the risk of being in a quiet place with this offender, where the possibilities for their will to be imposed exponentially multiply.
I feel really sorry for what the family has endured. Stalking should be judged more strictly. Stalkers can easily become murders. Hope this experience will make the judicial system more severe.
It's how most serial killers start out. Bundy, ridgeway, btk, keeper, rifkin, sells, shawcross, brudos the list could go on so why they don't take stalking seriously is unbelievable and it's terrifying never knowing when they're going to pop up. The police are as useful when it comes to stalking in the UK as they are in Canada.
Bates is a disturbing individual. My biggest take from this case is how this girl had 4 parental figures in her life, including a cop mom, who failed her. It was like watching ' abducted in plain sight' all over again.
What kind of sentencing is that? He should just rot in jail never to be out. It’s obvious that bastard, given the chance, will reoffend and kill again! INFURIATING
As someone who has never been in canada, what i learn from this show, is that If you plan to be a criminal, canada is your best bet, their justice system is very very lenient. All the episodes i watch i was appalled with the punishment the offenders got. Canada is not safe at all! 😮
What an awful story. All the damage Alex did to that good family; he ruined their lives and committed a murder. And the sentence is 13 years without possibility of parole?? Why is this called "sentenced to life in prison"? I don't understand that ridiculous terminology. The sentence is surely "thirteen years in prison." And then he can tell as many lies as possible, gain freedom, and commit similar crimes??
This could be made into a Lifetime movie. Terrible what happened to this family. 13years for murder and attempted murder of more than 1 person. That is a joke!! He will be back for them based on his character in this episode!
They seem like good people, but there's no way after multiple red flags and warnings throughout the day I would have sent my elderly, unsteady-on-her-feet mother to check out a possible violent situation and then take her BACK there without at any point calling the police. As soon as tyres on both vehicles were slashed and they knew he was out I would immediately be on the phone to police.
Should never ever be released this family has been through enough they need to no he never will get out there still being tormented were is justice life never to be released
3 years of sexual assualt on a minor, 2 x attempted murder, malicious wounding, aggravated assault, stalking and murder and he can apply for parole in 13 years. This is an absolute indictment on the Canadian legal system, it's no wonder people take the law into their own hands. If he gets out and begins to harass them again, what other choice would they have but to protect their family?
Our Canadian justice system is less than par. Where the innocent get life sentences while the criminals get a slap on the wrist, making Police’s jobs much harder than it should be. Bring back the chain gang, make criminals accountable for their crimes instead of giving them diplomas paid by all of us tax payers!! My sincere condolences to the family and may this Bates guy be in population and get his karma!!
The only silver lining in this case is that SA has four parents who all actively intervened when they discovered the grooming and rape, as well as two amazing grandmothers who put their lives on the line to protect her. The fact that Meaghan calls SA her daughter and Meaghan's mother calls SA her granddaughter shows how close they were. SA has an amazing support system. I hope they can all grow closer and heal. And I hope f-ing Alex Bates gets a taste of REAL justice in prison, since apparently he's not getting it from the courts.
So sad and so frightening. It's hard to belive that people can be so cruel, sick and violent. I hope this family will have good days from now on.....and only 13 years before he can try to get out ...that's sick too.
Going back to the house a 3rd without the police? This family seems like very nice people. Unfortunate situation. But guys...alot of things here have to reevaluated, mainly situational awareness.
I’m so sorry for you all, I hope that you can get beyond this and livlife freely as you all so deserve. Stay safe and love each other, peace and love to you all.
This story is horrific. The police and justice system here is disgraceful. They failed to protect this entire family. They need to read these comments.
The justice system in Canada needs a complete overhaul. Total reform!!!
Maybe if the Crown or Parole Boards were held more accountable for releasing repeat offenders or dangerous individuals, there would be a lot less cases like this.
I second this. The overall public has continuously had to pay a heavy price, for the past mistakes of a few corrupt individuals. To end up giving up this much leeway to offenders and repeat offenders, is a direct slap in the face to law abiding citizens. In fact, those in the justice system should be charged if harm comes to someone because of their negligence.
Yes, it's a farce. Absolute disgrace to our country 🇨🇦
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No kidding!
There’s something really f*cked up with these parole boards. It’s sickening.
bates needs to rot in jail-no parole for this vile person. the parole board and the crown needs to review its policies and take accountability for failing this family from bates
I don't know what's worse, this piece of crap coward or how pathetic our justice system is. How the **** after killing a defenseless elderly woman in her own home, then trying to kill 3 other family members and u have a chance of parole after 16 years???? R u fn kidding me???? And how the hell was that only a 2nd degree murder when the guy fully planned and premeditated that 1st murder by where he parked, what he wore and his disgusting actions that followed. I'm not even mentioning the trauma he's left on the survivors now and his prior trauma he caused on the girl. Not even also mentioning how he tried to go after the 2 cops. SMH.... Someone fire the Prosecutor/Crown attorney for failing and embarrassing our justice system. Even the defense lawyer couldn't believe the Crown offered him that deal which he accepted probably in record time. The surviving grandma said it the best in closing and sadly that's true. The violence, number of victims, trauma and lifetime anguish that these ppl will have to live thru and the Crown with a smile on her face has the audacity to say "well it doesn't necessarily mean hell get out in 16 years". Do your job lady and serve us the ppl with strict sentences and make examples of these monsters instead of setting a precedent like u did here with what seems like a slap on the wrist for such horrible and violent crimes. I'm embarrassed and ashamed that ppl like these who prosecuted this guy is what we have to rely on to serve us and give us justice. And ontop not even give justice for the brave officers who risked their lives aswell to get this piece of trash locked up for life. My deepest condolences to the Araujo family and what they went thru and what they're continuing to go thru esp when there's even a chance this guy will be out again.
Perfectly said my friend!❤
Thank you so much for taking the time to actually understand🕊
I couldn’t have said it better myself, you said what everybody thinks and are talking about the prosecutors and how they are failing the victims and their families. We’ve been through the same system in 2013 when our son was murdered…the prosecutor was incompetent and my husband asked him on the telephone where did he get his license in a Cracker Jack box. You see our son was murdered in Calgary. Miscarriage of justice in the strongest form.
I wonder why he wasn't also charged with attempted murder of a police officer? Even though it was a starter pistol, surely there was intent..pity they couldn't add that charge.
13 years ….THIS IS BS no justice he will come after this family the day he is released he is stewing with anger he needs to be classified as a dangerous offender and never let him out of jail.
He got life, with no chance of parole for 13 years. Very likely will be there for the 25 years.
@@billsutherland3935 25 years isn’t a life term 🤡 don’t be proud in Houston He would serve 100 years
@billsutherland3935 it's Canada he will be eligible after good behavior.
Many of those commenting on this story lack an important bit of information which is unavailable to most. In prison, it always becomes known what nature of crimes inmates are incarcerated for. Now understand that there's many ruthless and violent inmates within those walls. Many of whom also have children and families. These do not take well the knowledge of such inmates amongst them and thus they become targeted for 'jailhouse justice' which is an entirely different beast. This perverse man will live in fear and in all likelihood protective custody for his entire sentence or until he is murdered in prison. Take some comfort in that.
@@billsutherland3935 The parole boards seem to have too much say.
Not to blame this [poor family....but I do not understand why Meaghan and her mum went to the house started to go to the basement ! they had suspicions -why didn;t they call the police, her mother coud havre died- and as for the so called Justice system...shocking
Agreed. It was like a bad movie.
What a wonderful family. I pray for your recovery
This guy is a creep
Such a shame to the justice system. It serves the criminals, not victims. The victims have to go through the nightmare all over again to make sure that murderers, rapists don't come out. When do they heal??? The justice system needs a reform. Stop being gentle with those who don't deserve that.
What a sin. Thay poor girl. Naive parents are too trusting sometimes.
What a pathetic justice system in Canada.
It is so sad that the victims stay victims forever, especially with the thought that he may get out of prison one day. They are the ones in prison with that fear. I am not a person who believes in killing, but I wish the police had managed to take Alex's life that day.
I agree with other people's comments that the Canadian judicial system needs a major revamping. It is pathetic that a person can kill someone and attempt to kill 3 others, plus rape a young girl, and all he got was life with the possibility of parole in 13 years. I hope to God that the parole board never grants him parole, ever!!
I really enjoy these shows. It is nice to see some Canadian crime, and not always the USA. 🇨🇦
Giving light sentences returns such results. concurrent prison time is a direct insult to one of the victims. Canada is a democracy, people should use their power and change the balance of protecting the criminals to safeguard the victims.
What a sick joke in NIAGARA..KATE..POOR FAMILY..THEY DON'T DESERVE THIS..THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH ENOUGH..GIVING RIGHTS TO A PSYCHOPATH.
It appears that releasing criminals is deemed more cost-effective for the Canadian justice system than keeping them in prison.
I cant believe the sick things this man did, pure evil, my heart breaks for this family 😢💔
Been waiting for a new one. 👍👏😃
Concurrent sentences are mind-numbingly trash. How can you be serving time towards multiple sentences at same time?? Pffft
I’m not sure which is worse, the sentence or the piss poor prosecution office. There are two sides to every story but whichever way you look at all these facts, including the fact that he already had conditions which he had to adhere to after the initial harassment crime, there is no way this disgusting human being should ever be allowed back on the public streets. Not even mentioning the fact that he held a gun to police officers. Absolute disgrace!!
Carry protection at all times
I watched this episode multiple times and thought of 86GAMMA who rides 1986 RG500 Suzuki bikes and lives near 401 & Weston Road
The Crown shoukd be somewhat held responsible......they should be ashamee of themselves....yet here they are in thier long supid gowns making decisions they dont give a crap about
‘Bates’ as in BATES MOTEL😳
What ajoke ???
Omg I thought the Irish justice system was bad but that's a disgusting sentence , he should have got a whole life sentence , hope he gets prison justice and rots in hell
Weak weak parental skills, trying to be cool parents,! Don’t want to hurt teenagers feelings,wow! Crazy crazy!
Did you actually watch the program? Can you think critically? The parents were in almost all the pictures. When a crisis happens in a family, we should be able to lean on friends and family to keep us going. They said they clued in that something was wrong as soon as dad came home.
Blaming the parents instead of the person who acted worse than an animal is not a very intelligent response, it’s just lazy.
@L-if8kg Didn't the parents know this guy had gotten out of prison tho? Plus the girl's mom was a cop.
@L-if8kg Why would he he had the parent's blessing/ok to take their daughter with him all over the place. Look at the pictures, there she is sitting right next to the guy when there's an empty chair at the end of the table by her dad. Couldn't they see the signs between their daughter and this dude?
Totally agree. Ridiculous parents. No adult man has any business being so involved with a young girl.
Should have been a huge red flag the minute he suggested taking her anywhere
WAIT! WHAT? @20:10 common law wife?! Why wld any parents permit their young daughter to hang out with dad’s friend? Including overnight camping 🏕️ reg flags everywhere!
The entire justice system should be embarrassed by this sentence….
Think about this ..who makes the laws? It's not women
The laws in Canada need to be revised. They are more for the criminals than the victims. The crown should never ever had gone for a lesser charge and as for the Parole Board, you can’t trust them at all. Our family has been through this when our son was murdered in 2013. A miscarriage of justice and to me it’s corrupt system. The government does not want anyone in prison. I’m so sorry that you lost your Mom and the torture that this criminal put you through 😢
I am so very sorry for your loss.
Thanks for sharing this story. She’s a lucky girl to have such supportive, protective and brave parents and grandmother. It infuriates me how little our justice system does to protect victims. It’s sickening
Well said, and I completely agree. It seems like the justice system, does a better job of looking out criminals, rather than victims.
you blame the cops ? you think those are good parents?
@@chrisboucher9916 I think you might've misunderstood. No worries though, I'll try to clarify. When I say justice system, I am definitely not talking about the police officers - I'm referring to the courts and oftentimes, policy makers. As for if they're good parents, the answer is yes. They're supportive of her. No parent is perfect, but relatively speaking, hers and her grandmother are good. Would love to hear your take on it though, as it's always good to hear different pov's. Cheers!
I watch a lot of true crime. I can honestly say that the more Canadian it is the less justice. That's the real crime.
My ex assaulted me and smashed my computer Christmas Day, 2022. He would have done more to hurt me, but my dad was able to pull him off of me. His trial was in February of 2024 and I was just informed that while the judge had, “grave concerns” about his actions they were letting him off because he promised he would never come back to the city I live in. I explained to them that this is the fourth time he has done this to a partner, but they just didn’t care. He is escalating and no one believes the women he is hurting when they call for help because he technically has no priors :(.
I am so sorry you went through that. He could have killed you if your dad wasn’t around . So sorry our justice system really sucks .
@@Mscavalli2 you are kind. Thank you 💜
So shocking..
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Time to start focusing on prevention instead of just waiting for something bad to happen, first.
@@Ketowski I agree. I requested an emergency intervention order. There was clear evidence of previous violence (emotional and mental) and that he was escalating. I expressed my concern that he was going to kill me. They refused the request. He was asked by my lawyer to stay in Italy with his relatives over the holidays, as he was there visiting, but he made a special flight home just to disrupt Christmas. The police kept saying that it is his house too and that they don’t deal with civil issues. When they arrived Christmas Day, I was standing in the living room with blood running down my neck. I looked them in the eyes and said, “I asked for your help. I told you this is why he was ping to do.” The system has so many flaws :(
Ridiculously light sentence. Regardless, an incredible story and thank you.
My God ..13 years for 2 counts of attemptted murder and one cound off murder .. isnt that something.... way ta go Canada 🇨🇦 oh and my money is on the fact that he will be out befire he has 10 years behind him ...🤬
Better elsewhere where there is just as much crime?
Wow!! What a traumatic story. It truly affected me watching what you all went through. I feel for every single one of you. I'm so sorry for the loss of your mother. I don't live in Ontario any longer, but I'm very familiar where this all took place. I grew up in Whitby.
Sending love & light to you all as you trudge along this tough journey of healing. Take good care of yourselves. Much love from Fredericton NB 🇨🇦 🙏 ❤
Love the video series. Embarrassed for our "justice" system.
I can’t watch these parents lying through their teeth. They make me sick. Who gives a man the benefit of the doubt regarding an “inappropriate” relationship with their teenage daughter. They knew like a lot of people do and they did nothing for their own selfish reasons. We are living in a time where parents do not get to plead ignorance anymore. They have a duty to educate themselves and protect their children. These losers failed at the basics.
Her grandmother only had sense. Rest in peace to her.
Thank you...the dad is a joke..my friends and other grown men don't hang out and take my 14 year old daughter camping..the daughter is a weirdo..the father is pathetic
@craigdinney5933 WOW! Victim blaming to the highest level! Lols
You people are weirdos!
@@stellaperez1699 you’re obviously not educated enough for this conversation. Good on you for trying though.!
These judges, parole people need to have these creeps they are so kind to live next to them.
The transition from one crime scene to the next was confusing despite watching it over again. Better editing or a more informative segue would be helpful. We don’t know these folks and keeping track of locations and family members got a bit hairy at the end.
Very good episode and I feel so bad for all the ppl traumatized by this one disgusting pedophile... that’s what you are, a pedophile.
We should trust our close friends and family without being blamed for the actions of others.
Hear this, please...
NOT THE PARENT’S FAULT.
HORRENDOUS SITUATION !! Justice system in Canada is just as horrendous !
I hate the plea bargain. Crown failure for sure.
Not gonna lie, the second I find those tracking devices... I'm arming myself 100% of the time. The police are NOT going to protect you the minute you actually need protection. They can't, they can only show up after you've already needed protection and hope it's not too late to help.
I didn’t finish yet and that’s awful what happened to her. I don’t understand why her dad would let her go alone with a crew of guys camping alone though I would never let my daughter
Smart.
This story is absolutely heartbreaking 💔 And the worst thing is they never really got justice 😢
That was awful, he groom and rape a minor and they let him go. He tried to get out of the country he got caught but they let him go! Failure from the crowns. 3 year later he became a psycho killer they could have prevent this! 26 years jail time with good behavior he will out in 3-5 years LOL
More emphasis needs to be on prevention. This attitude of waiting until the worst happening is too late.
Antony Robart is a great host
Make sure everyone in prison knows that he is a child molester,he won't make it thirteen years never mind getting parole.
Unjustice system in Canada and the Parole board is absolutely disgraceful! Instead of giving hundreds of millions to other countries, the government should be overhauling the system and the board! Canada is acting on laws that havent been reformed for hundreds of years and judges need to start growing a pair and give criminals max sentences that run consecutively! As far as im concerned, the government is responsible for this tragedy for not taking his crimes seriously! Shame on them!
Could it be the lawyers? Afterall they are the ones that know our law.
There’s the same issue in other countries. Crime is growing at an accelerating rate. Too bad the Wealthy Corporations are in bed with China instead of keeping the wealth over here.
They squander more wealth every month making other countries richer than governments have in a year.
I'm sorry but you let your 14yr old daughter go camping with your biker friends!!?? ...then she continues to hang out with them...without you??...I dont get that part..
We don't know the circumstances. We weren't there. We can't judge. This predator knew what he was doing and unfortunately his manipulation tactics were enough to gain the trust in this rather large circle of friends. He was a con and played into everyone's emotions and vulnerability. Knew exactly what he was doing.
Believe me, it can happen to anyone. Unfortunately, there are many more, just like that snake, out there in society today. We must always be vigilant. This is one crazy messed up world we live in.
Just my humble opinion on this post. Thank you.
I don't get that either.
Wow, well, let's hope if you're a parent that you never have something like this happen. Because you can't have eyes on them 24/7, and stuff like this is happening everywhere. Not just amongst Bikers. How ignorant of you to shame the VICTIMS! I truly hope you're never one. Because Karma is a B.
They aren't bikers. They are bike enthusiasts. You make it sound like they were Hell's Angels.
If you don't get that part, stop overthinking and just chill.
My God…. My God…… MY GOD. Infuriated doesn’t even begin to describe how I felt when I heard he will be eligible for parole in 13 years. 13 years after MURDER AND 2 ATTEMPTED MURDERS!?!? Let that sink in. Yes, that doesn’t mean he will ever get parole - but still this means that once he does inevitably apply for parole, this poor family has to fight for *why* he shouldn’t ever be released. Then they have to do that every single time he re-applies. Why should they have to continue to suffer like that?!? As if what happened to them collectively isn’t enough, now they have to also have his parole eligibility in their minds in 13 years time…. This man cannot be rehabilitated. This man should *NEVER* walk free, under any circumstance. God forbid he ever does….
This story is utterly devastating on SO many levels. What is wrong with Canada’s Justice system?! People like Alex Bates should never even have the option to be free again. He would be a continued danger to this family, as well as any other people he would come across.
I pray this poor family can find some sort of healing together after such trauma… May Alberto’s mother Rest In Peace🕯️🤍😔
How does ur father let a 14 yr old be with his friends alone ? 😮
I know my father would never had allowed this, and nor would I with my child. I asked myself this same question.
Exactly!
It started when the dad was injured and got out of hand. The perp turned their friends against the parents.
She wasn't alone with him, there were other friends of the dad's there and she had her own tent. Don't blame victims . All of this is that monster's fault, no one else's
@nicoles7872
I didn't see someone blaming the victims. It was an honest question, whether justified or not. No one in this thread said it was the parents' fault, nor was it SA's fault.
The lack of a social justice, makes a vigilante justice, justifiable...
Glad she decided to keep running. As a mom, I would have wanted my daughter to do that. No guilt.
This is disgusting. How do these people in the judicial system sleep at night. They may not make the laws, but accepting them, when they know they are wrong, is disgusting. Canada has gone to the dogs. Two attempted murders and one murder of a defenceless older woman , and the perpetrator gets his knuckles wrapped. It is time to get real people making the laws, not gutless ones.
They don't create the laws, our government does. If you don't like it then vote for people that will make change or get involved in advocacy. The police and court system have to follow the law and rules as they are written.
@@abprairiegurl Stop voting for lawyers and career politicians. Most of them create laws that benefit them or their cronies.
How is it possible to have literally no discernment or survival instincts? Why would they let their young daughter be with a grown man? Also her alias is “SA”?
her name is: SARAH as per articles I read
If that’s a real question, there are real answers.
Yeah her alias being SA is effed
Only 13 years then probation? Wow!!
How utterly rediculous the judicial system is in Canada.my God what that family has been through......and is going through until this guy dies.
They sent a teenager , 14 with older bikers? Wow! Crazy!on a camping trip? Crazy! It all could of been avoided!,
My dad's two best friends were like his brothers like our uncles and they had their kids and then it was me and my sister and we would go camping with them or their kids would go camping with us and we do all family things it wasn't a big deal to send your kids with close family members
@chantellegattrell7073 big difference is they had kids also... this guy had no kids they're just hanging out....
@@chantellegattrell7073 this man was not a family member, she was 14 young lady becoming a woman, just think . Even uncles cousins good friends have done this!
I agree with you; this all could have been avoided.
Plus didn't they know this guy had gotten out of prison? Heck the girl's mom was a cop.....
So sad when victims have to become the hero's that keep society safe. Hero's
In most other countries they'd have thrown away the key. At 41:05 Peel's head crown attorney, Darilynn Alison, whines that the sentence doesn't mean that Bates will get out in 13 years. No, dear, but you miss the points: 1) the sentence gives Bates invaluable HOPE that he will be released in future; and 2) the sentence means that in 13 years' time the victims will have to start going through the trauma of trying to keep him in jail.
8:30 ~ I understand that when someone is in the situation of being faced with a man w/ a gun, threatening them in public daylight, it may be very hard to contest their assailant in the moment.
But the truth of the matter is that, the one with the gun is really really hoping you will succumb to his verbal threat. The last thing on earth that would be in his interest is to discharge his firearm in broad daylight, injuring or killing somebody, without knowing who could have seen him, who now has eyes on him, while he has to flee the scene, in foot, having called everyone’s attention to the sound of his weapon for blocks around him.
Offenders who are in this position, tend to think real hard about how to verbally pose their threat in an attempt to coerce the victim into quietly following them to a more secluded area, which is exactly what the man did in this case.
I would never deign to give advice to resist, but resist on the spot is exactly what I would do. Sure there’s risk. But you have to weigh that risk against the risk of being in a quiet place with this offender, where the possibilities for their will to be imposed exponentially multiply.
Time for people to get much smarter. Too bad most people in conservative culture don’t want to talk about anything important.
I feel really sorry for what the family has endured. Stalking should be judged more strictly. Stalkers can easily become murders. Hope this experience will make the judicial system more severe.
It's how most serial killers start out. Bundy, ridgeway, btk, keeper, rifkin, sells, shawcross, brudos the list could go on so why they don't take stalking seriously is unbelievable and it's terrifying never knowing when they're going to pop up. The police are as useful when it comes to stalking in the UK as they are in Canada.
Discourage her from spending time with him? How about don't let her out of the house?
That would be false imprisonment
Canada sentence STINKS 🤔
Bates is a disturbing individual.
My biggest take from this case is how this girl had 4 parental figures in her life, including a cop mom, who failed her.
It was like watching ' abducted in plain sight' all over again.
They all took steps. With a society that only takes things seriously after crimes are committed, it leaves most people at risk.
Stop blaming the victims, sort out the judicial system to protect them!
What kind of sentencing is that? He should just rot in jail never to be out. It’s obvious that bastard, given the chance, will reoffend and kill again! INFURIATING
Great coverage
I'm every time again and again surprised about the nonexistent conviction in Canada. Sorry! 😢
I missed the part where they explained why he wanted them dead, can someone please fill me in ?
Revenge.
DAD, you’re alive.. this is your chance to get prepared. Your entire family, especially your daughter shd take a SELF-DEFENSE course!
26.54..'my brain could not comprehend'..!!???...what brain...??
As someone who has never been in canada, what i learn from this show, is that If you plan to be a criminal, canada is your best bet, their justice system is very very lenient. All the episodes i watch i was appalled with the punishment the offenders got. Canada is not safe at all! 😮
You can get more time for making and selling hard drugs than you can for 2nd degree murder 😮, that's crazy.
What an awful story. All the damage Alex did to that good family; he ruined their lives and committed a murder. And the sentence is 13 years without possibility of parole?? Why is this called "sentenced to life in prison"? I don't understand that ridiculous terminology. The sentence is surely "thirteen years in prison." And then he can tell as many lies as possible, gain freedom, and commit similar crimes??
He should be in jail for the rest of his life with no chance of getting out
Canada the justice system is wrong and needs to be reformed unbelievable
This could be made into a Lifetime movie. Terrible what happened to this family. 13years for murder and attempted murder of more than 1 person. That is a joke!! He will be back for them based on his character in this episode!
They seem like good people, but there's no way after multiple red flags and warnings throughout the day I would have sent my elderly, unsteady-on-her-feet mother to check out a possible violent situation and then take her BACK there without at any point calling the police. As soon as tyres on both vehicles were slashed and they knew he was out I would immediately be on the phone to police.
I used to admire Canada as a country but now it sounds like a sh*t hole. What happened?
How terrifying! 😢
Should never ever be released this family has been through enough they need to no he never will get out there still being tormented were is justice life never to be released
i cant help but blame sa and her family for some of this
the only ones with a 'life' sentance here are the girl and family
How could the common law wife allow him to come back?
I say an eye for eye should be in jail for life period.
You protect yourself,don't rely on the judicial system.
Only in America
what a nightmare
Disgusting new introduction WHY?
DIsgusting? How so?
3 years of sexual assualt on a minor, 2 x attempted murder, malicious wounding, aggravated assault, stalking and murder and he can apply for parole in 13 years. This is an absolute indictment on the Canadian legal system, it's no wonder people take the law into their own hands. If he gets out and begins to harass them again, what other choice would they have but to protect their family?
Our Canadian justice system is less than par.
Where the innocent get life sentences while the criminals get a slap on the wrist, making Police’s jobs much harder than it should be.
Bring back the chain gang, make criminals accountable for their crimes instead of giving them diplomas paid by all of us tax payers!!
My sincere condolences to the family and may this Bates guy be in population and get his karma!!
The only silver lining in this case is that SA has four parents who all actively intervened when they discovered the grooming and rape, as well as two amazing grandmothers who put their lives on the line to protect her.
The fact that Meaghan calls SA her daughter and Meaghan's mother calls SA her granddaughter shows how close they were. SA has an amazing support system. I hope they can all grow closer and heal.
And I hope f-ing Alex Bates gets a taste of REAL justice in prison, since apparently he's not getting it from the courts.
That’s crazy the guy it’s so dangerous he should be in jail forever. What kind of system is this bs .
I am a father of 9 y/o and wouldn't even let my daughter have a sleepover with girls and boys. This could have been totally avoided.
That is not justice!! What were they thinking! He should have got life!
So sad and so frightening. It's hard to belive that people can be so cruel, sick and violent. I hope this family will have good days from now on.....and only 13 years before he can try to get out ...that's sick too.
parole board , bad legislated easy sentences , bad immigration . Canada is in need of Improvement .
Going back to the house a 3rd without the police? This family seems like very nice people. Unfortunate situation. But guys...alot of things here have to reevaluated, mainly situational awareness.
I’m so sorry for you all, I hope that you can get beyond this and livlife freely as you all so deserve. Stay safe and love each other, peace and love to you all.
This story is horrific. The police and justice system here is disgraceful. They failed to protect this entire family. They need to read these comments.
Go nuts in. Canada, you have pretty much a free pass to do what you want.
The punishment doesn't fit the crime, unbelievable, 3 life sentence would be fair!