Karen Read Defense Expert: Teeth Or Claw Marks On John O'Keefe
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2024
- Defense expert Dr. Marie Russell said that the pattern and parallel lines seen on the arms of victim John O'Keefe led her to believe that he was injured by an animal, "possibly a large dog," and not by a car as prosecutors alleged.
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PLEASE tell them to add his hand in those photos of John's arm! They seem to want us to believe that the injuries were in a small area that could have come from his arm being scratched by the broken tail-light. IF they would show the WHOLE arm, people could see that his hand was also very bruised and had possible teeth marks.
Odd that they got rid of their dog after this happened ..... Who rehomes a elderly family pet out of state?
The dog Chloe was rehomed into a Witness Protection Program.
it’s an odd thing to do but….
they got rid of it so nobody could ask the dog questions about that night?
tell me why not having the dog means anything.
there was no history of the dog biting people - that is completely made up.
@@acc4465because it suggests that it was their dog that bit him which would mean he did go in their house and they're lying. and if they're lying that he never came in then they obviously killed him. this isnt rocket science
@@acc4465The state could’ve refuted that John’s injuries were caused by Chloe and strengthened their case, by producing her for teeth imprint comparison. They didn’t.
Definitely not a bruise from being thrown by a car… you don’t need to have a degree to come to that conclusion
I already made up my mind the day I saw the mirror image of the SUV. That nailed it for me. Even if she was guilty, and she's not, she is not getting a fair trial. Not by a long shot.
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I've seen this before. Absolutely animal bite marks.
Absolutely, look at the elbow area, that bite had bruises. Those are the powerfull bottom jaw marks!!!!
the deep long cuts on his upper arm - not dog bites. dogs don’t have knife sharp teeth.
@@acc4465 I don’t think you’ve seen what big dogs like a gsd or a German shepherd can do then. Those k9s slice but they also have claws
@@acc4465Yes they are dog bites. As was testified to, dogs can bite then tear or pull the skin creating scratches.
@@acc4465 the dog held on as the arm was being moved causing tearing to the skin . The dog did not just bite and let go . If a dog has latched to your arm you are probably going to lift your arm up the weight of the dog hanging on the arm will tear skin
There's a reason why Chloe the dog was rehomed to Vermont AND the defense didnt know about it.
Is it verifiable that the dog was taken to Vermont and not euthanized?
@@bethlee7260 There are vets in Canton, MA.
Those are most definitely bite marks from a dog. My son was attacked by a dog years ago and sustained almost identical marks. Also, I'm an ER/Trauma nurse and have seen this frequently.
These are the comments that have sealed the deal for me. All the ER/Trauma nurses commenting on how many times they've seen identical marks from dog bites and scratches. I feel so bad for John's family--the people in their own hometown lying to cover up what really happened to their son, and not caring one bit. None of them seem to have the least bit of remorse.
Thats nonsense 😂
Doctor, have you in your years of experience encountered a person's arm being bitten in multiple places by an SUV?
Too bad that question wasn't asked but Lallygag would have objected to that.
😅😅😅😅😅😅
The fbi should find that dog and do further investigation.
And what? Put it in a cold room, give it a couple cigarettes, and try to get a confession?
@@hugostiglitz5976no, silly. Measurements. Forensic analysis.
@@hugostiglitz5976😂😂😂
They'll have to dig up the swimming pool at the Alberts old house if they want to find the dog
@@markjacques1161right? I have a feeling poor Chloe was sent to some "big beautiful farm"....aka, they killed her. I can't say for sure, but has anyone tried to locate the dog?
I'm curious if a fight broke up, and instinctively, Chloe got involved bc of the tussling
Crooked judge doesn’t want the bite expert to say her conclusion
She had already said her conclusion during her testimony it was objected at the end of the redirect testimony on the grounds of asked and answered , you are not permitted to ask the same question twice if it has been answered .... I hope this helps 🐕🐕🐕🐕 it was answered at 8:55 in this video
this ‘expert’ called and wanted to be on this trial - no charge.
that alone should disqualify her.
@@acc4465 an expert in animal bites wanted to give her qualified opinion in a debate that injuries are of animal bites or being hit by a vehicle.... even the prosecution witness autopsy ME said they were not typical of being struck with a vehicle , I doubt this woman wanted 5 minutes of fame
She earned the most biased judge award imo. 🥇
Biden Appointed for sure ! They have big problems with the TRUTH
come on- this was not done by a car- no jury doing there job could possibly say "without a reasonable doubt" - this is insane and a huge waste of money
There is no way in hell that an unbroken tail light caused these injuries. Jurors aren’t stupid. The tail light would have to be broken already. And the impact zone would have been much smaller
let’s hope the jury isn’t stupid and ignores this nonsense of a coverup that makes no logical sense.
@acc4465 there is more evidence of a cover up from police than evidence that her car hit him tho..
@@Gabriel-hf1yy please tell me the evidence. the google search was debunked. that is all the defense had.
Lolly is a scumbag. The way he approaches this Dr. This Dr have been dealing with men like Lolly her entire life ! This Dr by far is more Educated then Lolly !! It’s embarrassing!
@@acc4465It makes plenty of sense. You just don’t have the ability to comprehend the evidence.
Those are attack marks from a big dog. Period. Ain't no way an SUV did that unless it had broken glass or thorns and we know it didn't. Cover ups going bye bye.
YUP! A child can see it. The only ones that don’t are those that WANT to be in the dark. Unfortunately, much of the population doesn’t want to live consciously
“They’ve gone through everything but my sock drawer, but they won’t go through Brian Albert’s front door"!
- Karen Read
You have no idea what you're talking about. The new super duper trim package Lexus has a crown of thorns on the back of each tail light lens it is art limited edition
It looks like claw marks on either side of the bite marks.
@@deadmanswife3625😂omg good one
It's definitely not from being hit by a car.
The fact that this arm isn't broken, kind of makes it impossible to be from a tail light glass, as the arm would have to have wrapped around the 2 sided light to get marks that long.
The straight parallel marks at each end look a lot like claw marks, and the marks in the middle at the elbow look a lot like teeth marks. I have owned German shepherds for 27 years.
Also, if he was hit that hard and has all those BITE…I mean tail light wounds…where’s the imbedded pieces in his arm?
Those cuts arent enough to kill a human though so obviously not a dog?
People also seem to forget that it was February and snowing. John was presumably wearing a winter coat. No way the tail light did those injuries. His coat would also be torn. If he went inside the house, he would have removed his jacket.
C'mon people. We all know a tail light can bite you like that...
Only if you order the special dogbite tail light kit from Lexus from the dealer
In an alternate universe where the rules of physics and physiology do not apply
@@charleslauricewhich has been very popular in the Last 5 Years so let's not be too quick to rule it out
Two things have to be true for Karen Read to have been responsible for this death. The first is that it had to have been a full moon that night. The second is that she is a werewolf. If those two things are both true then I’d believe she did it
Holy crap, you're right. They tested her fingernails when they should have checked for fangs 😅
You just blew this case wide open! Lol
I watched a video recently depicting dog bites on a person's arm and they looked EXACTLY like the injuries on John's arm.
At first I wasn't really buying her observation of it being dog bites but then I remembered that she was the expert and I was a high school dropout.
Great comment😅
Personal injury paralegal here - 20+ years. We have litigated dog bite cases over my years of experience, and this is spot-on what they look like. They are unique compared to any other "abrasion" on the skin.
Doctor, have you ever encountered a person dead on arrival after being struck by a motor vehicle at 24mph and thrown up to 30 yards suffering no broken bones? No, of course not, can we all go home now your honor?
50% chance of dying if hit at 30mph , so at 24mph I wouldnt fancy my chances
@@lolabear3230 Did prosecutor even come close to proving any of that??
@@melissabenson6749 no the prosecution did not that prove karen struck him their is no evidence she hit him but if she did at 24mph there is a high chance he would have died . The prosecutions case is very weak I'm suprised it went to trial
@@lolabear3230 Correct so why even make that 1st statement?
@@melissabenson6749 because my comment was on a comment has doctors encountered a death by being sruck at 24mph and the answer is yes they have its a high chance of that occurrence, but no evidence in this case to support thas what happened
I never saw these pictures until now. Those are DOG marks!
These are dog bites. If you Google dog bite photos they are similar to the wounds on John's arm.
Dog groomer: absolutely dog bites! I have been lucky in my career to not get bitten as I’ve seen others severely bitten. I don’t understand why they didn’t lean more into the bite wounds. I haven’t listened to this whole thing but from what I’ve seen of this, is KEY to what happened. Ever seen what a rottie who doesn’t want a bath can do? I have.
💯 accurate. 🎯
Exactly!! I'm an ER nurse and have seen many, many dog attacks over the years. This is classic bite marks. I'd bet my next paycheck on it.
You think those bites look enough to kill someone? What are you talking about
@@deniece0821You would lose that bet its nonsense
No one says he died from bite wounds. Did you see the new injuries around his eyes and the top of his head. He was pummelled.
It looks like he was attacked by a wild animal on his arm
that’s ridiculous.
Or a furious woman with long nails while arguing in the car about him not going in the house.
@@smileface991wow..you are way off base. Get a grip and follow along.
He was..Chloe.
@@smileface991🤦I can’t with the stupidity anymore
It doesn't take an expert to tell these are animals bites
I saw a picture in the news yesterday of a little girl who had been attacked by dogs and some of her injuries looked exactly like JOK’s arm. No way a car did those
Anyone clownish enough to claim that those marks on the victims arm were from anything Other than an animal, namely and most likely a larger sized dog, is really fooling themselves into believing absolute nonsense.
...but the rear end of a vehicle? THOSE WOUNDS???
C'mon now.. you cant expect people to be that ignorant because you have some dirty cops within your local department.
His arm was not attacked like it was, by a vehicle moving in reverse. That's just dumb to look at those photos and even attempt to make that claim.
👍💯 I couldn't have said it any better myself buddy
not only that, the owner of the house where a dead man who had dog like wounds, owned a German Sheppard who had a history of biting people and was rehomed after the incident. It defies logic.
Add in the basement issue, selling the house for a loss, deleting phone contacts, the web searches, destroying phones and sim cards, inverted edited footage, Karen connecting to WiFi at a time she's meant to be running a person over, the apple data showing John moving and going up and down steps around the house, and now we've recently learned that location data was deleted on Karen's phone in April, Karen didn't have her phone in April. The she's guilty crowd just can't admit they got it wrong no matter how bad it gets for the prosecution.
Why didn't Karen's lawyers attempt to find an expert on animal bites? There's a reason why. That lady initiated contact with an LA prosecutor, saying she was interested in helping the defense. Why is the only person testifying on behalf of the defense, a person who wanted to be a part of the defense? Why didn't the medical examiner conclude the injuries are from dog bites? A medical examiner will exhaust every option attempting to explain injuries.
did the dog use a sharp knife?
those cuts on his upper arm were caused by very sharp - dog teeth are not very sharp and cannot make cuts like that. those are long and deep.
but i love the confidence while writing compete nonsense.
clownish?
@@joshkeeling82A medical examiner does not look at all options for injuries. In fact many familes do 2.x autopsies. One by ME and an independent one, for that reason. They note the juries and if likely homicide or not.
Before I even knew anything about this trial, this was the FIRST thing I noticed: The holes on the hoodie were punctures, not tears, not cuts. Then I saw his arm and thought, yeah, that's DEFINITELY animal bite marks, probably a dog. This was even before I knew it was supposedly from being hit by his GF's car. ANYONE with half a brain can see they are bite marks from a dog. Then you find out that the Albert's got rid of their family dog after this incident & that it was a failed police dog trainee that was too aggressive to be used as one. No reasonable doubt needed on this one.
But, even if he had been attacked by the dog, the injuries were not the cause of death. It could even be that the dog tried to save him...
HAHAHAHAHA! You must be one of those dirty townies. The WHOLE TOWN is dirty.
If caused by a broken tail light, the wounds would have gone in the other direction toward the hand
There would not have been any possibility of the tail light shattering against a soft body anyway
I had received an injury to my upper arm, similar to the wound in the photo, by my friend's 120# red Doberman in summer 1984. I had just enough time to get my arm up as he was going for my face/neck. It was a completely unexpected as I had spent more than 5 years with that dog in my friend's home while I was in college.
Thank God you had the wherewithal to protect your face/neck AND remain upright. If they get you down on the floor and get to your neck/face, that's when it becomes fatal.
We had a similar experience with a shepherd mix. Great dog for years and then just attacked my son out of the blue. (My son was 16 at the time and obviously big enough to hold his ground, thankfully.) Anyway, I had the dog removed from the house as I was tending to my son at the hospital. Come to find out the poor dog had developed a brain tumor unbeknownst to us. The vet gave him a sedative and we went to say goodbye to him. We had him euthanized because it was the humane thing to do. Even if money weren't a problem, the vet said the tumor was inoperable and he would quickly get more aggressive and have seizures. It sucked but we had 6 good years with him. 😔
Were there ever DNA taken from those marks...??
Noooo she's wrong the state says all those cuts and puncture were all made by that one little tail light not by the big dog in the house 🙄
💥Dr. RUSSELL is a great expert, with long experience. 🌟🌟🌟
I agree. Her credentials were incredibly impressive and it was her testimony that sealed the deal for me (although I will admit that I had a lot of “reasonable doubt” even prior to her testimony). But, Dr. Russell was the final nail in the coffin ⚰
Given how long the FBI investigation has been going on (yet to conclude), I would not be surprised if there's sealed indictments waiting to be issued after the conclusion of this trial or after the conclusion of the FBI Investigation.
Ask any Dog Handler, dog bites, BAD
I would ask her if she ever saw similar marks on another body in the last five years
From a tail light .😂 Nobody receives those injuries from a tail light ,2 in scratches .blind people can tell it from an animal .
This judge needs to be Investigated after this trial. She must have taken a bribe or something
prosecutors also have career losses
You don’t get scratches on your arm from a car backing into you 😂
Why in the world did the judge sustain an objection where the witness mentioned if someone were to protect themselves… perhaps I’m wrong, but aren’t objections used to make sure attorneys play by the rules and don’t lead the witness where they want them to go? To prevent bias material from being presented? I guess I didn’t know the witness themselves could be silenced, especially when it very much pertains to the type of injury this woman is depicting.. too damning to the prosecution I guess?
Because what was asked was was beyond the scope of her knowledge , that question would have opened the door to how police dogs are trained to hold and let go in her voir dire the judge concluded this could not be brought in as she is an expert on dog bites not defensive wounds and police dog training . Also lack of foundation to the question
@@lolabear3230 - you don’t think that an expert on dog bites isn’t also an expert on defensive wounds? You don’t think that if she saw say a thousand dog bites, there wouldn’t be a small percentage of defensive wounds? I mean, I’m not saying you’re wrong… I just don’t see how the judge could disqualify her knowledge on the subject. I can’t imagine that none of the dog bites she’s dealt with had a single person attempting to protect themselves by using their forearms to block the animal from getting close to their face. I just don’t believe defensive wounds is strictly a police dog or police related thing
Watch the voir dire and it will make sence why it was objected to , chloe was a police dog and because she doesn't know how a police dog is trained to hold and let go she ccould not say that and that's what she was likely to say as that's what she said in voir dire . Lally knew she was going to go in to talking about police dogs that's why he stopped it
@@mikey0946
@@lolabear3230I heard the ruling but it is ridiculous. She is definitely an expert on all wounds with her experience
@@lizzeltired2155 yes but she is not an expert on police dog training and cannot testify that those bites were from a trained police dog rather than just any dog which she was going to say and that is beyond the scope of her knowledge it is just speculation that a trained police dog caused those injuries .
How has this trial not been halted. It's an absolute travesty. I'm sure Hollywood will make a movie covering this story,it's certainly worthy of one. Hope KR is freed soon.
That's true. Obviously the photo and the prosecutors saw them, spending tax payers money to convict the innocent Karen, the careers of the prosecutors and judges should be over
Yes! I've already got this movie cast. Alec Baldwin (if he's not in jail) plays Higgins and I like Sandra Bullock for Karen Read. 🤣🤣. Sally Struthers can play Auntie Bev, the judge. The judge looks a lot like the first lady of France, Macron's wife.
This will definitely be a movie. They are probably working on it as we speak.
when she says she's observed 1000 or more...she's so consistent
I'm so sorry for John. A dog attacked him? I'm so sorry 🙏 this is horrible. Someone totally failed him😢
Turtle Boy, the whistleblower in KR case was assaulted by Jill Daniels (sister of Jen McCabe - who Google searched Hos long to die in the cold at 2n27am).
I think she's in fact Julie Albert's sister
@@MFC7625I just saw the FB live video. The Albert family is disgusting
Can u send me the link pls?@@MidnightSky1821
Judge lives in the Police Community
I think the bites where from a pink poodle named noodle 🐩🐩🐩🐩🐩🐩🐩🐩🐩🐩🐩
The whole kit and caboodle.
This has always been a poorly constructed cover-up by law enforcement. The difference here is that this particular defendant has decent legal representation and that the police in this case were sloppier about the cover-up than usual.
Was he run over by a German Shepherd or bitten by a Lexus?
Of course those are wounds from a dog attack. Even his shirt had puncture marks.
They can't take swabs from the wounds for animal saliva, to prove/disprove a dog attack???
I´m going to presume that was a question - if you have been watching the trial, these policemen are at best negligent and at worst framing her. Search for red solo cups and you´ll see what I mean. You couldn´t trust anything they said they found or didn´t find at this point.
@@gavinhill3164 I assumed the defence would have sought such evidence (canine saliva), to support their narrative of a dog attack.
Alberts got rid of the dog soon afte r and rehomed her out of state.Convenient eh?
@@carmellewis2466 Very 🙄
So what if the dog attacks John, he’s upset starts to react and then people at the party get combative resulting in a physical altercation.
defense has at least three experts saying some form of "she didn't do it".
What a joke and waste of time a tail light didn't that
What even happened here? Why did defense not finish?
Biased judge
My partner is a surgical vet tech..definitely dog bites
This judge I hope is reprimanded for her favoritism for the common well!!
it's "commonwealth" & dream on.
Shame on the prosecutors! He asked the question when the doctor subscribed to the newspaper and asked about the bites. This is terrible. do those people have no conscience? Do they care if they imprison an innocent woman?
Don't normally agree with all experts but that's what I see do with seeing similar injuries in my line of work
Why was this case even brought to trial with this evidence?
She reminds me of the psychotherapist the defense brought in for Jodi Arias.😂
I Question that these injuries are contained with out penetrating through at all !!
Those are pure bite marks. A broken taillight wouldn't inflict such harsh wounds like that and there wouldn't be so many wounds like this.
The judge was being unfair. Many of the objections from the prosecutor should have been dismissed.
Those are not wounds from a vehicle impact.
It looks like bite on the elbow and claws on each side. Right arm… like he held up the arm to protect self.
When Jennifer McCabe is in her Canis lupus form I'd imagine she could inflict injuries like that. Was there a full moon that night?
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But wait-isn’t she missing one of her fangs? 😳😱🤯
it's ridiculous how many people say, "i/my brother/my uncle's cat trainer's sister was bit by a dog & it looked exactly like that!!! so it MUST be dog bites!!!" 🤪
I agree the comments are silly but try doing a google image search on dog bites on arm, the pics do look like the picture they showed. To me it creates more doubt that the police theory is true.
It will be funny when you are judged for nothing, then it will be funny. Shame on you, Karen, they want to condemn you. Karen is innocent
Shut up clown
It’s ridiculous that there was a mountain of solid proof against the mcalberts and you’re still denying it 😝
You have the world's authority on wounds and yet her scope doesnt include the head injuries... judge has seemed biased the entire trial. The state is failing everybody at this point.
wouldn't there be some animal DNA?
Pig DNA was found on the clothing of John's right arm. Strange. No dog DNA.
There was unknown dna
They did not swab his arm!!!
He was knocked unconscious left out in the snow and wild boars attacked him?
pig dna on clothing of arm, but also 2 unknown male dna profiles mixed in with Johns blood on his jeans. How much reasonable doubt does this case need?!
Weird, Why did he not try to reinforce the prosecutions case that these were cuts from a broken tail light? Because he knows there not.
Is this expert saying a dog/animal was so careful to focus on the one side of the arm and inflicted almost identical injuries,?
I hope after this that the judge is investigated for bias.
she hit him with the car while he was bending over then he went under the car and then he got knocked 12 feet back wait what..........
It's obviously K-9 the dogs K9 teeth puncture wounds are 2-3 strikes on the elbow & the left and side to that are claw marks 2 strikes as well Any police K-9 should be very familiar with these marks 🧐
Now we know it: it was a Blizzard Yeti with a tail light!
the prosecutor is going to be embarrassed.
Wish the FBI could investigate this judge.
That family sold their home and gave the family dog away. Their story is just nonsense. That's something you would do to protect a child if they had done something wrong.
I agree. Going by my gut alone, I think that the Albert kid, Colin, is the most culpable in a fight that probably just ended getting out of hand. I don’t think that the killing was intentional-but the frame up is.
As a K9 handler, those injuries are from a dog… as more and more evidence was brought forward definitely changed my opinion from her being guilty to innocent, listening to the closing arguments, wow… how did this even get to trial
I can 100% attest these are dog bites or nips as I have the exact same markings on my arms from my German Shepard puppy when he would play fight with me. I have elongated marks and irregular circular marks now in the form of white scars. My puppy was only 10 weeks old at the time and I learned quick enough that playing with him with bare arms was the wrong thing to do. My scars do not go around my entire lower arms (on the soft inside) rather they remained mainly isolated to the top and side of my arms. I remember people at work thought I had been self mutilating until I told them I had a new puppy and he was too rough playing with me. I switched play to a hard toy that he could tug on and chew however the scars remain to this day.
Does anyone know old the female GSD was at the time?
I’ve wondered about this for a while - when an attorney makes an objection - don’t they normally have to also say on what grounds? The CW attorney just keeps saying objection but hardly ever why… under those conditions I’d be producing a steady stream of objections as well.
To not see this one would be blind. It is not from a car.
People in the comments actually think the dog did it? 🙄
I believe the judge is in the mix but the witness anit having it 😊😂
Have a son who had a police dog attack him...one arm...dog left pretty similar injury requiring 38 stitches.
They do not look like dog bite marks. There are plenty to view online.
I watched a small clip of it being mentioned that there were what appeared to be even both dog bite AND scratch marks (on John's injured arm)... and I perhaps could even physically tell the difference between such visible distinctions myself, quite soon after seeing the photo shown above.. That is, so long as such expert claims are accurate of course.
Puppy went to HAPPY RANCH
While I believed that the state of mass is incompetent..
I believe the dogs marks were the dogs attempt to save his life.. where is the dog?
It appears that the elbow was bent tight and the upper bite and lower bite got a great grip.
That was a botched job by the police, non of them seem to know how to even start an investigation. Her knowing that lump of white was a body in the yard, then run around like a chicken with her head cut off, no tears. It looks like a small animal had scratched and bit at him. I have big dogs and if one would grab a man's arm the teeth marks would be twice as wide and deep, that was not a big dog bite, the bite should had been compared to the dog. It looks like the keystone cops were running the investigation.
Question… I haven’t looked yet but, does John O’Keefe’s family support Karen or do they think she did this?
They think she did it 💯
Iv heard they think she hit him in an accident and are upset she didnt come forward but dont think it was intentional but are keeping an open mind .... source: turtleboy texts with John's brother available to view online regarding turtleboy publishing John's autopsy pictures
It looks like Paul’s demeanor has changed this past week. I think he is realizing they have been duped
I watched the opening statement video today, and the mother (here in the striped shirt behind Jackson) appeared to think the defense's theory "Karen was framed," was ridiculous. Now, however, her demeanor has changed. It's not clear what her thoughts are, of course, but she's paying close attention to Dr. Russell.
Should ask the prosecution how anyone could sustain marks like the from being rear ended by a car going 24 miles an hour and apparently only hitting the tail light of the car which again makes no sense so what the prosecution is claiming is what he was holding onto the vehicle somehow after being hit and dragged and these marks happening idk how any of that is possible
I'm sorry I have to speak up my young son was attacked by an ex police dog , those marks I'm sorry are definitely from that shepherd
Dogs operate out of instincts.. man out of ego
Maybe they should have tested KR’s teeth marks on his arm. If she were a guy you know they would have.
That means to me OJO was in the house.
No one ever considered, it may be her fingernails 🤔
She would need some sharp nails to go that deep but I was thinking the same thing because they do look like scratch marks.
You clowns are so desperate for her to be guilty
and if nails went that hard- i think there would be 4 scrapes
@Noneofyourbusiness57817 💯 ignorant and brainless humans...fingernails is wild
@@shannonm.4087 But, a dog has more than two nails, so it kind of blows that theory. Haha. They were definitely fighting when he exited the car. Even though he was in the passenger, he could have been grabbing something and she was stopping him.
Could the dog attacked him as he approached the house and he fell back hitting his head?? We'll probably never know exactly what happened!
So if those are scratches from her,where is the dna swap from her nails ?
So maybe the Lexus back lights had like a special edition.Bob wire sharp object wrapped around it
That would explain.
The injuries on john o'keefe's arm 😂
Or maybe the dog attacked and he got beat thrown on the lawn