In the tie-in comic, there was a story about how cap is having trouble adapting to the modern world, but thor tells him that the empires he had seen over his lifetime fell because they could not adapt
One thing I love about this show is the timelessness, it doesn’t make itself a product of its time since Captain America is always one, and makes his adapting to the new world include his reaction to the “new technology” Also Spider-Man/Captain America dynamic ftw
i think the story of captain america can be timeless, but I don't get how this show specifically is timeless. It's pretty new. Someday it'll surely seem dated right
Great Analysis. He always was my favorite character in the MCU. …sadly I must include this: “Unless you're a plane, or a bomb, or some ice Then he'll choose to take a nap 'cause the ice seems nice When Captain America throws his mighty shield!”
Reminds me of a book written by Dr. Douglas Gillette, "King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes" Steve Rogers just has a massively healthy connection with his masculine identity. King: Not just about leadership, to exude the kingly energy is to bring out the very best attributes of those around them Warrior: Not about violence, the warrior is one who declares that they are responsible for everything around them, to be the agent of change Magician: this term describes an inductee into gatekeepers of knowledge. This one has the most tentative connection to the Captain but one could argue his vintage know how allows for unique problem solving techniques Lover: Not about romance, being the lover is about expression of emotional connection. A man defined by his found family and will risk his life to save the Winter Soldier from mind control definitely fits this archetype
@@SpiderMan-gf1lc Dr. Douglas Gillette is a professor of history and comparative religion. This specific book is a comparative analysis on character archetypes that have appeared in different pieces of literature through different historical eras and examines what have been considered healthy and valuable masculine traits by different cultures through out history, as expressed through the character archetypes they write.
@@kingsadvisor18 yes, I know. This branch of literary and cultural analysis, however, is deeply inspired by Jung's works, especially when it comes to archetypes and the "shared unconscious". Foucault has shown why reducing history and anthropology to such totalities is mischievous, as well as limiting - a metanarrative, in summary. Sure we can find similarities in many cultures, but we can also find as many differences as we want; it only depends on the epistemological starting point
@@SpiderMan-gf1lc I'm not versed in phylosophy, but wouldn't the epistomological starting point matter unless you're a moral relativist? (Like Foucault was, as I recall)
I honestly believe that they did Captain America the best in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Even though he is out of time, he still fights the good fight and does his best to adjust to his situation. I also like the messeges coming from him in the show. He knew that despite how things change in the modern world, people depending on technology a lot more, the best way to live in life is to have balance. Sometimes, depending on technology too much can lead to some problems, so sometimes the old ways are better. And because of those messeges, I live by them in real life. Thank you Captain America from Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
I think the Emh is not emh without Captain America (Ignoring that he is a vital member in the comic), his way of acting and thinking defines who he is, and although it is ironic, he is good at speaking. Although he tells spider man that actions are important, his speeches are a very important part of him, motivating the Hulk, spiderman, and making it clear to the Skrulls how their stay will be. On the other hand, their actions involve taking leadership even if the team disagrees, not leaving their peers behind, and inspiring all the people who can to be better. I think something that I never liked too much is the uncertainty of Captain America's leadership, since sometimes Iron Man was the leader as well, and that was rarely talked about. But ultimately, I have a profile picture for something. Ps i have an interesting theory about baron zemo
EMH made me love Steve Rogers. He lost everything and lives in a world he does not recognise. But like he told Spider-man, he will keep fighting the good fight. Because that is the right thing to do. True at first he had trouble adjusting to the future but by the end of the series I feel he was slowly getting use to it.
About the Yost-verse connecting Wolverine & the X-men with Avengers: EMH, I personally think a Captain America solo cartoon could rectify the tone difference. I personally believe that the US government keeps the oppression of Mutants a secret (much like in the real world shaky stuff like project mockingbird and the Tuskegee experiments were secret for decades). The general public has a negative attitude to mutants but I doubt the average American in this universe knows about how bad it is in the Weapon X testing facilities. I imagine that either the government desperately wants Cap in the dark about the mutant plight or some plonker would think he'd be gung-ho for it, either way this Cap would definitely have a bone to pick with the MRD once he knows what they're really about. A Captain America solo show would have a plot about this for sure with a Wolverine team up.
Weapon X may have started out in the US; but by the time Wolverine got involved, it was being run by Canada's Department K. The regular Weapon Plus program is still run by the US.
My thought was that the three shows probably have different timelines relative to each other, and Wolverine and the X-Men takes place before the Avengers assemble, back when they were each doing their own thing, and possibly before some of their origins. Cap would still be stuck in the ice, Hank would still be hyper-focused on science and therapy in the Big House (where he wouldn’t have access to mutants), Tony would either be solo-heroing or still a weapons-mongering billionaire, Hulk would be on the run (which we actually see in the series once, btw), and Thor would still be in Asgard.
Cap was one of my 3 faves back when I was a little one still reading comics from the local shop. I really feel that EMH was one of, if not the, best representation of what I admire in that character. Also, EMH Wasp is best Wasp.
I love this. Also there is a way that EMH could be connected to WATX without it being dark. WATX could likely take place before EMH. We see no events from either show referenced in each other to my knowledge. Hulk’s appearance in WATX could be early Hulk and Fury’s reverend to the MRD could be made better if the MRD just became SHIELD but specializing in mutant criminals instead of attacking all mutants. But that’s just my take on it.
I love how the roles sort of shift as well between Cap and Ironman in this show. Season 1 was very much Ironman at the center and Cap as the close second. Season 2 really puts Cap as the protagonist and Ironman as the main supporting character. I think it sort of an interesting indirect statement of how much more Captain America matters as time moves forward. Ironman even points that out in Season 2 Episode 20 where he wants him to be the official leader. A lot of that season shows Cap preservering through all the distrust of the people and the fractured Avengers team itself due to the Skrulls really taking a toll on their morale as a team and as individuals. Cap really becomes the rock and beating heart for the team. Season 1 was very much building him up to be that as he learns to adjust in many episodes of that season. Faith, Hope, and Compassion drives him completely throughout this show. I fundamentally disagree where his character ended up in Endgame. He should not be holding on to the past in such a detrimental way. EMH Steve would not have gone back his lover and leave everyone else he's made valuable connections with. He would not leave Tony, Hulk, Wasp, Vision, Bucky, Hawkeye, Black Panther, and Spiderman. All are characters he's made the greatest connections with I feel. He embraces them as his new family so he becomes a man orientated forward not backwards.
Thank you for cutting that scene with Captain America and Spider-Man before Spidey's response to Cap's speech. I always thought that response was incredibly cringe.
@@jalontillmon2807 The problem with Drake Bell's voice as Spidey is that he sounds like he's in early high school. Josh and Yuri's voices sound like late high school/early college. I prefer Spider-Man's early days to be a junior, a senior, or in college.
My own with MCU Captain America is that they thought a satisfying end to his story was just sending him back in time to live his life with Peggy Carter. To me, that kind of an ending for his character just undermines all of the work put in to having him learn to adapt to a modern day. To me his character arc was supposed to focus on working to adapt to the modern day and move on from the past that he came from while still holding onto his ideals. At first, it looks like that wise with the MCU was going for, but then they just dropped it at the end to say that he goes back to the 1940s and they pretend like that why is the natural trajectory of his character arc. So dissatisfying.
💯 I agree with you it makes his arch in the mcu a bit shallow and he adapted to the environment way too quickly which I think damaged his arch but hey its there it is what is
Thing is, if they didn't get rid of him that way (cause the storylines depended on him no longer being present) then odds are they'd have just killed him along with Tony.
I feel his adjustment also has a part of coming back to his world being gone. The coma victims come back to their world but different. They see where they used to have attachments and they see their world but can't interact with it as well. For Cap it's gone. There is nothing from his old life to hold onto and drive him crazy. There's a sadness that it's gone but it is gone. There's no halfway gone like the POW's or coma victims face
@@freddyhammonds7776 Way later, you could say he lives like a Isekai, or a immigrant. This world is different, it maybe shows similar things to his own, but he lives in a different way, and has different values. It's not like anyone he knows has changed.
I think mcu cap looked for new meaning. He didn’t change who he was fundamentally. but his reasons to be who he is and find his meaning was an occurrence.
I read a short story about a "time traveler" in a sci-fi series. It was the only non-scifi story in the book, and the guy was stranded on an island for a decade, essentialially being a man out of time
The Best thing about Zemo (at least for me) He is voiced by Robin Atkin Downes who also voices the Medic from Team Fortress 2, Another crazy German scientiest Character
A kind man will take charge when he knows he's good for the job and because he knows that when he's in charge he will do his best to keep lives as opposed to someone who wants to command for prestige, out of ego or powerlust. Taking charge is just practical in his goal of saving others.
Great video. I always liked when his "man out of time" quality came through. In the MCU when he didn't get a reference or when he was thrilled he did. It was something as a kid when reading to think about someone having missed almost a quarter century. The MCU had missed out on over half a century. I know they didnt have much time with him at just 2hr every few years to show him, but it would've been nice to see it shown still being an ongoing situation for him. I mean not only did he come from a world were black & white TV's were the rare, advanced tech, but where social morals were so different, but all if his friends, idols, fav entertainers and personal role models were long dead and (worse) forgotten. They don't even have a term for that type of midlife crisis.
It could be interesting to see how this Cap and MCU Cap would react to one another. It would inevitably be made into crappy fan-fare instead of anything critical though.
I love EMH Captain America. In the MCU, he feels like just another superhero except he gives orders. In EMH, he in inspirational (his costume is better), and it actually feels like he came from the 40's. He is a truly great character. We also really have to thank Brian Bloom for his amazing performance. It is also good to see his villains being presented properly (Red Skull, Zemo).
I love everything about captain America joe Simon and Jack Kirby would be sooo proud of what cap has become and came to represent In the modern day I love how they literally took an instrument of propaganda and made him one of the most popular heroes 70 something years later cap is the best part of the mcu and marvel in general if it hadn’t been for wartime. Heroes like The human torch and captain America we wouldn’t have the mcu so thank you joe Simon and Jack Kirby and all those who worked at timely comics back in the day
Man, this is a great vid, since I kind of struggle with change recently too, with a looming mindset that there will come a time that the world won't need me anymore and I felt inspired with Cap's ability to change. Although, I think there's a chance that Zemo would team up with Cap, since he entrusted his life to him when the Enchantress was after him, calling him noble. Too bad Zemo trusted a Skrull imposter at that time.
I don't know whether or not he lives in the same universe as X-Men evolve either way he's still a better man compared to Logan, who's never been out of time just out of date(refiring to his age). Steve as you said changes himself but he also takes on the change and faces it Head on to be a better man.
I like your choice of words there, Cap certainly is one of the best heroes ever made, but maybe also ever born? I liked What If...? because it takes the side of Cap being born to be a hero even without getting the super soldier serum.
I'm so glad that I found this channel! Great vidoes, great presentation and delivery, really good use of available media, and just genuinely fun and insightful.
@@PillarofGarbage I was not expecting a direct reply. But, thank you. It's good to be here. Feels cozy, welcoming.. Other nice words of similar description.
I hope for the hulk character analysis you put in the scene of cap talking to hulk in the episode with the cosmic cube I think its a overlooked scene in emh
Speaking of Wolverine, his age isn't fully known, mostly because of continuity changes and what writers think will make things interesting, we even see flashbacks of him with Captain America in some X-Men series, including Wolverine and the X-Men and X-Men Evolution, and sometimes it's even joked that he's a relic just like Captain America, other times the two are referred to as artifacts of bygone eras, and I think those jabs at them, either with malice from villains or in jest from friends and allies, actually dive into something meaningful in a way. Maybe a future video can be about Captain America, Wolverine, and other heroes that seem to be from prior eras can show the positive side of what is meant to be an insult or joke about their actual age. A hero that predates a lot of modern heroes, but really doesn't get a whole lot of attention today, The Phantom, a figure that actually shaped the development of the comicbook industry but the big changes he brought were so subtle that very few actually noticed them. And I think that's important, and ironically also iconically the Phantom. In many ways, the Phantom is a template for several heroes that followed, Batman and Captain America included. And I find it amazing that characters can have threads connecting them to other characters that most of us probably aren't even aware of. The Phantom was the first masked hero to have white where his eyes were supposed to be, a trend that was followed up with Batman, Spider-Man, the Flash, and even Black Panther. The Phantom is this mysterious figure that is really just an ordinary person that has trained themself to the physical and mental peak of what it is possible to be a human, just like Batman. And despite all this, the Phantom hasn't enjoyed the longterm commercial success those characters that took inspiration from he did. He got live-action movie in the 1990s, was in the animated series Defenders of the Earth in the 1980s (which really didn't do a good job with his character to begin with), and the cult classic Phantom 2040 animated series are really all he got. And the thing is, either they are extremely niche, like the movie from the 1990s and the 2040 animated series, or just languish mostly forgotten because how the property was handled and changes that came after the project, like Defenders of the Earth. But here's the thing, the Phantom is structured in such a way that they can be dropped into almost any time period fit right in. So yeah, there's a character you can have fun with in a future video. And I think you might find some surprises looking through the Phantom's publication history.
Quick Question: Have you seen Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow. If so props to you. You enjoyed a good movie. Also before I saw the release dates of the movie and EMH I honestly thought they were in the same universe simply from the designs and during Tony's story and the primary villains he lists off during it.
I think AEMH captain America was good and seeing how he adapts to a new World and to changes from what he Know even in comparing to MCU Captain America.
I'm interested on that video of Wolverine and the X-Men. Although I still believe the first season of both series happen during the same time, I'm eager to listen to your opinion, especially about Cap's situation
Something to point out that's different with Cap and the coma patients/POWs is that he was in ice, completely unconscious and frozen in time. Coma patients generally retain some form of consciousness or their bodies are at least doing stuff to keep them alive, and POWs are quite obvious. Cap doesn't have the same feeling of emptiness, BUT he still knows there was a pretty hefty gap. But for him and him suddenly waking up like he did, to him not a moment passed.
My favorite episode of this show was the wakanda episode and cap and ant man’s little conversation in the quinjet “we had a term for something like this when I was a kid” “Oh yeah what’s that?” “Science fiction”
The scene where Cap is in the quintet and says “Back in my day we didn’t call this flying.” “What did you call it?” Cap: “Science fiction.” This has always stuck with me. The jarring reminder that all we (and they, the Avengers) know that is so familiar that it’s ignored and regarded as normal was utterly beyond all comprehension in Steve’s time. It’s a pretty hard gut punch.
Thing is, as the marvel franchise continues, some heroes can be re-actualised. For heroes like ironman, put afghanistan instead of vietnam. Soon, put syria instead of afghanistan. For heroes like spiderman, you dont even have strong ties to historical events. But Cap is 100% tied to ww2. This means he's sleeping for more and more decades with each iteration. The world ever stranger. First time he was resurected, it was about 20 years after he went in ice. Still a lot, but way less than now.
Rly cool, love this content since- One Villainous Moment project. I have a question. Do you plan on talking about Fantastic Four: Worlds Greatest Heroes? I think that show is forgotten by injustice. Without Fantastic Four- in general there would be no Marvel as we know it. And the show has big tie ins with Yost Verse.
Thanks for sticking with the channel! I spoke very briefly about WGH in my Yostverse video, but I don’t have any immediate plans for the show for the time being. I expect this will change, though - while I do have a bit of a backlog of video ideas already in progress, I think you could expect some proper FF:WGH content in the next couple of months. Sorry i haven’t done any sooner!
The links aren’t explicit, but yeah, supposedly it shares a world with Wolverine and the X-Men. I’m not sure I’d rate that show *quite* as highly as EMH… but that’s a pretty high bar!
Ever read miracle man? The character young miracleman does a different but just as fascinating job with the man out of time trope. Just wish they’d let Neil gaiman finish it.
I think comparing a fictional character to real life coma survivors or prisoners of war is kinda tasteless but at least it really brings our attention to how much they suffer and how hard life can be bit how they persevere nonetheless.
Just rewatched the Cap microsode, and it raised a big question about the set up of this universe. Something that has bugged me since I first saw it all those years ago. Did the nazis exist in EMH continuity? In the into to this episode, the news cast refers to the enemy power that the allies are fighting as "Hydra." Zemo and the Red Skull are stated to be the leaders of this power. Never are the Nazis referenced. Cap accuses the Skull of doing Zemo's dirty work, not Adolf Hitlers as he did in the comics. So does that mean that Zemo takes the place of Hitler in this timeline? Did he do all of the things that hitler did. If so, then why wasn't he publicly executed in Israel like all of the real members of the high command? It would also make watching him as a villain much less enjoyable. Later, in the Hydra vs AIM one with the cosmic cube, Strucker's wish isn't for germany to win the war, but for Hydra to have won. So in this universe, the Nazis never came to power and instead a science cult of green wearing geeks came to power? Or did Hydra just lead a successful coup?
I may be misremembering, but I think at one point the creators said they wanted the Nazis to be shown to exist in-universe but it was either them or guns according to the network, and they were more bothered about having real guns. (IIRC)
He is gunne get a banger of me cap fore the event great vidoe my friend + cap and wasp are the best! + ore zemo has a acsent and are cap is very good in dutch
I have one small opinion or maybe you could consider it a criticism, You related the experiences of Captain America to returning POWs. I want to mention one small difference that is significantly different, cap came back but kept his youth. Meanwhile imagine spending 12 years doing nothing but getting tortured. By the time you come back you, yes have go deal with that time thing but your now older but having gained nothing significant from that age, no relationship, no nothing, no money, everyone has moved on without you.
If they ever did a Civil War storyline (Which is never), it probably would involve having Cap with SHIELD & the US Government, and Iron Man, along with the likes of Wasp, against them. To further add to this, it was pretty clear in the pilot episode & in episode 8 that Tony openly expressed dislike for SHIELD's involvement with superheroes, with how they were clearly into (for lack of a better term), "weaponizing them", having their own supersoldiers. On Cap's side of the table, in the Wonder Man episode, he meets with Nick Fury, and after having a pep-talk with the SHIELD director, the latter offers him his & SHIELD's help, which he expresses with thanks and consideration. To add to that, in the Annihilus episode, Steve declared that all he'll appeal to the imprisoned villains when their trial comes. Following this potential plot point (in my eyes), the supervillains who are granted amnesty would be sought out by SHIELD and the US Government, creating the Superhero Registration Act to induct them in as their own metahuman fighting force, probably with Ross and Baron Zemo at the helm, forming the Thunderbolts. (As to why Cap is on the side of the government... uh, well, I just think that he'd still be convinced that the modern US Government is still the same as the one he fought for in WW2. It'd probably take a while before he eventually realizes this, basically a misguided soldier y'know. Feel free to improve, to anyone who's reading this.)
I often wonder, Cap fought the nazis, he died fighting the nazis, so the question is raised, would Captain America be racist or at the very least unhappy around asians, russians, Italians, and Germans?
I think he’d be fine. Captain America always reflected the American ideal more than the American reality, and the American ideal is in large part founded upon immigration and mixing of cultures. I think he’d recognise that many of the people he fought in the war weren’t evil, but just conscripts - so he could easily let go of that baggage.
Cap should continue to voice shock every time he sees black people eating in diners alongside white people, every time he sees gay people get married, or a woman divorces her husband.
In the tie-in comic, there was a story about how cap is having trouble adapting to the modern world, but thor tells him that the empires he had seen over his lifetime fell because they could not adapt
Emh has the best lines ngl
The mcu seems like a parody of it at this point
@@GraveEnd MCU are mostly comedic moments though
One thing I love about this show is the timelessness, it doesn’t make itself a product of its time since Captain America is always one, and makes his adapting to the new world include his reaction to the “new technology”
Also Spider-Man/Captain America dynamic ftw
I actually like Captain America being Spider-Man’s mentor
@@jalontillmon2807 Peter’s idolized Captain America since he was a kid
@@MTV2O2O makes sense like in the comics
Spider-Man, "I'm going to go web Jameson to his chair."
Cap, "I'm ok with that."
i think the story of captain america can be timeless, but I don't get how this show specifically is timeless. It's pretty new. Someday it'll surely seem dated right
Great Analysis. He always was my favorite character in the MCU.
…sadly I must include this:
“Unless you're a plane, or a bomb, or some ice
Then he'll choose to take a nap 'cause the ice seems nice
When Captain America throws his mighty shield!”
I understand that reference
I understood that reference!
Tony is my fav
"Please stop, for the love of God!"
~ Cap
Or a brainwashed buddy, or a spiderman!! Then you don't necessarily have to yield
Reminds me of a book written by Dr. Douglas Gillette, "King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes"
Steve Rogers just has a massively healthy connection with his masculine identity.
King: Not just about leadership, to exude the kingly energy is to bring out the very best attributes of those around them
Warrior: Not about violence, the warrior is one who declares that they are responsible for everything around them, to be the agent of change
Magician: this term describes an inductee into gatekeepers of knowledge. This one has the most tentative connection to the Captain but one could argue his vintage know how allows for unique problem solving techniques
Lover: Not about romance, being the lover is about expression of emotional connection. A man defined by his found family and will risk his life to save the Winter Soldier from mind control definitely fits this archetype
I swear these psychological "studies" based on Jung are just astrology for men
@@SpiderMan-gf1lc Dr. Douglas Gillette is a professor of history and comparative religion. This specific book is a comparative analysis on character archetypes that have appeared in different pieces of literature through different historical eras and examines what have been considered healthy and valuable masculine traits by different cultures through out history, as expressed through the character archetypes they write.
@@kingsadvisor18 yes, I know. This branch of literary and cultural analysis, however, is deeply inspired by Jung's works, especially when it comes to archetypes and the "shared unconscious". Foucault has shown why reducing history and anthropology to such totalities is mischievous, as well as limiting - a metanarrative, in summary. Sure we can find similarities in many cultures, but we can also find as many differences as we want; it only depends on the epistemological starting point
@@SpiderMan-gf1lc Its less astrology more like character writing analysis
@@SpiderMan-gf1lc I'm not versed in phylosophy, but wouldn't the epistomological starting point matter unless you're a moral relativist? (Like Foucault was, as I recall)
If Captain America isn't arguing for mutant rights, then Captain America is still on ice.
Some folks think that he just watched it happened in the comics.
Actually that makes sense because wolverine and the X-Men was before the avengers were assemble
I honestly believe that they did Captain America the best in Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Even though he is out of time, he still fights the good fight and does his best to adjust to his situation. I also like the messeges coming from him in the show. He knew that despite how things change in the modern world, people depending on technology a lot more, the best way to live in life is to have balance. Sometimes, depending on technology too much can lead to some problems, so sometimes the old ways are better. And because of those messeges, I live by them in real life. Thank you Captain America from Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
I think the Emh is not emh without Captain America (Ignoring that he is a vital member in the comic), his way of acting and thinking defines who he is, and although it is ironic, he is good at speaking. Although he tells spider man that actions are important, his speeches are a very important part of him, motivating the Hulk, spiderman, and making it clear to the Skrulls how their stay will be. On the other hand, their actions involve taking leadership even if the team disagrees, not leaving their peers behind, and inspiring all the people who can to be better. I think something that I never liked too much is the uncertainty of Captain America's leadership, since sometimes Iron Man was the leader as well, and that was rarely talked about. But ultimately, I have a profile picture for something.
Ps i have an interesting theory about baron zemo
Iron Man was the leader of the team for the majority of the series, though Cap did step up on multiple occasions
Tony is the most important member
Steve is the old vet that sits back while the newcomer leads only stepping in when needed
Bruh you can't just drop that bit at the end with no elaboration
@@strombreakr fr lmao
I was taught that selflessness was the core trait of a good leader.
EMH made me love Steve Rogers. He lost everything and lives in a world he does not recognise. But like he told Spider-man, he will keep fighting the good fight. Because that is the right thing to do.
True at first he had trouble adjusting to the future but by the end of the series I feel he was slowly getting use to it.
About the Yost-verse connecting Wolverine & the X-men with Avengers: EMH, I personally think a Captain America solo cartoon could rectify the tone difference.
I personally believe that the US government keeps the oppression of Mutants a secret (much like in the real world shaky stuff like project mockingbird and the Tuskegee experiments were secret for decades). The general public has a negative attitude to mutants but I doubt the average American in this universe knows about how bad it is in the Weapon X testing facilities.
I imagine that either the government desperately wants Cap in the dark about the mutant plight or some plonker would think he'd be gung-ho for it, either way this Cap would definitely have a bone to pick with the MRD once he knows what they're really about. A Captain America solo show would have a plot about this for sure with a Wolverine team up.
Yeah and the one to reference MRD was Nick Fury... Sus...
Weapon X may have started out in the US; but by the time Wolverine got involved, it was being run by Canada's Department K. The regular Weapon Plus program is still run by the US.
My thought was that the three shows probably have different timelines relative to each other, and Wolverine and the X-Men takes place before the Avengers assemble, back when they were each doing their own thing, and possibly before some of their origins. Cap would still be stuck in the ice, Hank would still be hyper-focused on science and therapy in the Big House (where he wouldn’t have access to mutants), Tony would either be solo-heroing or still a weapons-mongering billionaire, Hulk would be on the run (which we actually see in the series once, btw), and Thor would still be in Asgard.
There was an ep of X-Men Evolution, that got a Wolverine and Captian America team-up. I really loved that.
Cap was one of my 3 faves back when I was a little one still reading comics from the local shop. I really feel that EMH was one of, if not the, best representation of what I admire in that character.
Also, EMH Wasp is best Wasp.
I love this. Also there is a way that EMH could be connected to WATX without it being dark. WATX could likely take place before EMH. We see no events from either show referenced in each other to my knowledge. Hulk’s appearance in WATX could be early Hulk and Fury’s reverend to the MRD could be made better if the MRD just became SHIELD but specializing in mutant criminals instead of attacking all mutants. But that’s just my take on it.
There are a few ways to work around it, possibly! Maybe I’ll make a video in the future on headcanons like these :)
What is WATX?
@@Qwerty-yp3jq Wolverine and the X-Men
@@Qwerty-yp3jq Wolverine and the X-men
I love how the roles sort of shift as well between Cap and Ironman in this show. Season 1 was very much Ironman at the center and Cap as the close second. Season 2 really puts Cap as the protagonist and Ironman as the main supporting character. I think it sort of an interesting indirect statement of how much more Captain America matters as time moves forward. Ironman even points that out in Season 2 Episode 20 where he wants him to be the official leader. A lot of that season shows Cap preservering through all the distrust of the people and the fractured Avengers team itself due to the Skrulls really taking a toll on their morale as a team and as individuals. Cap really becomes the rock and beating heart for the team. Season 1 was very much building him up to be that as he learns to adjust in many episodes of that season. Faith, Hope, and Compassion drives him completely throughout this show. I fundamentally disagree where his character ended up in Endgame. He should not be holding on to the past in such a detrimental way. EMH Steve would not have gone back his lover and leave everyone else he's made valuable connections with. He would not leave Tony, Hulk, Wasp, Vision, Bucky, Hawkeye, Black Panther, and Spiderman. All are characters he's made the greatest connections with I feel. He embraces them as his new family so he becomes a man orientated forward not backwards.
These are all great points!
The episode where Captain America was introduced to the avengers was my first one of the series what a masterpiece
Thank you for cutting that scene with Captain America and Spider-Man before Spidey's response to Cap's speech. I always thought that response was incredibly cringe.
Lmao I gotchu
@Emerald X Agreed. I would've mentioned it, but I forgot to include it. Josh Keaton's voice would have been a much better choice.
@@KalKratos Actually I like both Drake Bell (he’s not that bad in the show Avengers EMH)and Josh Keaton voicing Spider-Man same with Yuri
@Emerald X Come on he’s not that bad 😁
@@jalontillmon2807 The problem with Drake Bell's voice as Spidey is that he sounds like he's in early high school. Josh and Yuri's voices sound like late high school/early college. I prefer Spider-Man's early days to be a junior, a senior, or in college.
My own with MCU Captain America is that they thought a satisfying end to his story was just sending him back in time to live his life with Peggy Carter. To me, that kind of an ending for his character just undermines all of the work put in to having him learn to adapt to a modern day. To me his character arc was supposed to focus on working to adapt to the modern day and move on from the past that he came from while still holding onto his ideals. At first, it looks like that wise with the MCU was going for, but then they just dropped it at the end to say that he goes back to the 1940s and they pretend like that why is the natural trajectory of his character arc. So dissatisfying.
💯 I agree with you it makes his arch in the mcu a bit shallow and he adapted to the environment way too quickly which I think damaged his arch but hey its there it is what is
Thing is, if they didn't get rid of him that way (cause the storylines depended on him no longer being present) then odds are they'd have just killed him along with Tony.
This version of Steve Rogers and the MCU version are awesome. I think the MCU version is best, imo because he reminds me of the EMH version
i always love the way you notice the way these characters operate and bring it to light
I feel his adjustment also has a part of coming back to his world being gone. The coma victims come back to their world but different. They see where they used to have attachments and they see their world but can't interact with it as well. For Cap it's gone. There is nothing from his old life to hold onto and drive him crazy. There's a sadness that it's gone but it is gone. There's no halfway gone like the POW's or coma victims face
This comment is way late but I figured I would anyway. You’re basically saying cap is like a refugee from a war torn country that can’t go home right?
@@freddyhammonds7776 Way later, you could say he lives like a Isekai, or a immigrant. This world is different, it maybe shows similar things to his own, but he lives in a different way, and has different values. It's not like anyone he knows has changed.
I think mcu cap looked for new meaning. He didn’t change who he was fundamentally. but his reasons to be who he is and find his meaning was an occurrence.
I read a short story about a "time traveler" in a sci-fi series. It was the only non-scifi story in the book, and the guy was stranded on an island for a decade, essentialially being a man out of time
You know what? The skrulls in EMH look like buff Green Goblins.
The Best thing about Zemo (at least for me)
He is voiced by Robin Atkin Downes who also voices the Medic from Team Fortress 2, Another crazy German scientiest Character
Same with the dub version of zemo in disk wars the avengers
A kind man will take charge when he knows he's good for the job and because he knows that when he's in charge he will do his best to keep lives as opposed to someone who wants to command for prestige, out of ego or powerlust.
Taking charge is just practical in his goal of saving others.
Great video. I always liked when his "man out of time" quality came through. In the MCU when he didn't get a reference or when he was thrilled he did. It was something as a kid when reading to think about someone having missed almost a quarter century. The MCU had missed out on over half a century. I know they didnt have much time with him at just 2hr every few years to show him, but it would've been nice to see it shown still being an ongoing situation for him. I mean not only did he come from a world were black & white TV's were the rare, advanced tech, but where social morals were so different, but all if his friends, idols, fav entertainers and personal role models were long dead and (worse) forgotten. They don't even have a term for that type of midlife crisis.
I love how this cap feels older too
It could be interesting to see how this Cap and MCU Cap would react to one another. It would inevitably be made into crappy fan-fare instead of anything critical though.
I love EMH Captain America. In the MCU, he feels like just another superhero except he gives orders. In EMH, he in inspirational (his costume is better), and it actually feels like he came from the 40's. He is a truly great character. We also really have to thank Brian Bloom for his amazing performance. It is also good to see his villains being presented properly (Red Skull, Zemo).
I love everything about captain America joe Simon and Jack Kirby would be sooo proud of what cap has become and came to represent In the modern day I love how they literally took an instrument of propaganda and made him one of the most popular heroes 70 something years later cap is the best part of the mcu and marvel in general if it hadn’t been for wartime. Heroes like The human torch and captain America we wouldn’t have the mcu so thank you joe Simon and Jack Kirby and all those who worked at timely comics back in the day
I deeply appreciate this analysis of Cap. I think EMH is hands-down the best cartoon/live-action iteration of Cap. Love this vid.❤️🤍💙
Man, this is a great vid, since I kind of struggle with change recently too, with a looming mindset that there will come a time that the world won't need me anymore and I felt inspired with Cap's ability to change.
Although, I think there's a chance that Zemo would team up with Cap, since he entrusted his life to him when the Enchantress was after him, calling him noble. Too bad Zemo trusted a Skrull imposter at that time.
He is quite quick to changes
I'd love to see you tackle EMH Hulk/Banner.
Coming in the future!
I don't know whether or not he lives in the same universe as X-Men evolve either way he's still a better man compared to Logan, who's never been out of time just out of date(refiring to his age). Steve as you said changes himself but he also takes on the change and faces it Head on to be a better man.
In matters of style,
Go with the flow.
In matters of principle,
Stand like a rock.
In matters of judgment,
Seek council, not guidance.
Cap' is one of the best heroes ever made
I like your choice of words there, Cap certainly is one of the best heroes ever made, but maybe also ever born? I liked What If...? because it takes the side of Cap being born to be a hero even without getting the super soldier serum.
I'm so glad that I found this channel! Great vidoes, great presentation and delivery, really good use of available media, and just genuinely fun and insightful.
Thanks so much! Glad to have you here!
@@PillarofGarbage I was not expecting a direct reply. But, thank you. It's good to be here. Feels cozy, welcoming.. Other nice words of similar description.
Ah, my generally speaking favourite Avenger, and my favourite Spongebob episode.
I hope for the hulk character analysis you put in the scene of cap talking to hulk in the episode with the cosmic cube I think its a overlooked scene in emh
Can you do a character analogy on Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes: The Incredible Hulk next?
I promise it’s coming eventually, but I’ve got a few videos I need to make first :)
Captain america was really great on this show
Speaking of Wolverine, his age isn't fully known, mostly because of continuity changes and what writers think will make things interesting, we even see flashbacks of him with Captain America in some X-Men series, including Wolverine and the X-Men and X-Men Evolution, and sometimes it's even joked that he's a relic just like Captain America, other times the two are referred to as artifacts of bygone eras, and I think those jabs at them, either with malice from villains or in jest from friends and allies, actually dive into something meaningful in a way. Maybe a future video can be about Captain America, Wolverine, and other heroes that seem to be from prior eras can show the positive side of what is meant to be an insult or joke about their actual age.
A hero that predates a lot of modern heroes, but really doesn't get a whole lot of attention today, The Phantom, a figure that actually shaped the development of the comicbook industry but the big changes he brought were so subtle that very few actually noticed them. And I think that's important, and ironically also iconically the Phantom. In many ways, the Phantom is a template for several heroes that followed, Batman and Captain America included. And I find it amazing that characters can have threads connecting them to other characters that most of us probably aren't even aware of. The Phantom was the first masked hero to have white where his eyes were supposed to be, a trend that was followed up with Batman, Spider-Man, the Flash, and even Black Panther. The Phantom is this mysterious figure that is really just an ordinary person that has trained themself to the physical and mental peak of what it is possible to be a human, just like Batman. And despite all this, the Phantom hasn't enjoyed the longterm commercial success those characters that took inspiration from he did. He got live-action movie in the 1990s, was in the animated series Defenders of the Earth in the 1980s (which really didn't do a good job with his character to begin with), and the cult classic Phantom 2040 animated series are really all he got. And the thing is, either they are extremely niche, like the movie from the 1990s and the 2040 animated series, or just languish mostly forgotten because how the property was handled and changes that came after the project, like Defenders of the Earth. But here's the thing, the Phantom is structured in such a way that they can be dropped into almost any time period fit right in. So yeah, there's a character you can have fun with in a future video. And I think you might find some surprises looking through the Phantom's publication history.
I can watch your content all day.
Beautiful video. Would love if you did something like that with Hawkeye
Quick Question: Have you seen Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow. If so props to you. You enjoyed a good movie. Also before I saw the release dates of the movie and EMH I honestly thought they were in the same universe simply from the designs and during Tony's story and the primary villains he lists off during it.
Haven’t seen it yet, but I plan to :)
I think AEMH captain America was good and seeing how he adapts to a new World and to changes from what he Know even in comparing to MCU Captain America.
Does anyone else think they should have kept skrull cap secret? Like keep the audience as much in the dark as the characters are
You should make a video talking about Hydra in EMH compared to Hydra in the MCU. (Or just make it just about Hydra from EMH)
*“Some people move on…But Not Us”*
i was in coma once (for a month!) it was like Hell!
I'm interested on that video of Wolverine and the X-Men. Although I still believe the first season of both series happen during the same time, I'm eager to listen to your opinion, especially about Cap's situation
You can make a similar approach to samurai jacks as a middle ground between zemo and cap
Brian Bloom was the BEST choice for voicing Captain America
Great video man ❤️👍🏻
Thank you!
Had to listen to 0:39 a couple times cuz I heard it very wrong
That SB129 bit was hilarious!
Something to point out that's different with Cap and the coma patients/POWs is that he was in ice, completely unconscious and frozen in time. Coma patients generally retain some form of consciousness or their bodies are at least doing stuff to keep them alive, and POWs are quite obvious. Cap doesn't have the same feeling of emptiness, BUT he still knows there was a pretty hefty gap. But for him and him suddenly waking up like he did, to him not a moment passed.
This is my favorite version of captain America (from avengers EMH)
My favorite episode of this show was the wakanda episode and cap and ant man’s little conversation in the quinjet “we had a term for something like this when I was a kid”
“Oh yeah what’s that?”
“Science fiction”
Steve, walks in to see Nick Fury leading Shield: “You go Ni-“
The scene where Cap is in the quintet and says
“Back in my day we didn’t call this flying.”
“What did you call it?”
Cap: “Science fiction.”
This has always stuck with me. The jarring reminder that all we (and they, the Avengers) know that is so familiar that it’s ignored and regarded as normal was utterly beyond all comprehension in Steve’s time. It’s a pretty hard gut punch.
Thing is, as the marvel franchise continues, some heroes can be re-actualised. For heroes like ironman, put afghanistan instead of vietnam. Soon, put syria instead of afghanistan. For heroes like spiderman, you dont even have strong ties to historical events. But Cap is 100% tied to ww2. This means he's sleeping for more and more decades with each iteration. The world ever stranger. First time he was resurected, it was about 20 years after he went in ice. Still a lot, but way less than now.
This cap reminds me of Fred from mystery incorporated and now I can't not see it, the problem is I can't tell if that's a bad thing or not
this is why cap is the superman of marvel
You should really do Hawkeye for the next character analysis.
He’ll be one of the next for sure!
Lore of How Captain America Deals With Change momentum 100
This shows Cap is sooo good on par with Evans!!
Honestly, I would have cried in a civil war story on this tv show
Rly cool, love this content since- One Villainous Moment project. I have a question. Do you plan on talking about Fantastic Four: Worlds Greatest Heroes? I think that show is forgotten by injustice. Without Fantastic Four- in general there would be no Marvel as we know it. And the show has big tie ins with Yost Verse.
Thanks for sticking with the channel! I spoke very briefly about WGH in my Yostverse video, but I don’t have any immediate plans for the show for the time being. I expect this will change, though - while I do have a bit of a backlog of video ideas already in progress, I think you could expect some proper FF:WGH content in the next couple of months. Sorry i haven’t done any sooner!
@@PillarofGarbage wow you actually responded- That's nice ^^. Will look forward to it.
EMH Peter Parker/Spider-Man is Ben Tennyson Confirmed
This series wasp was hot af 😂
Wait! Is EMH linked to an X-Men show show that's just as good?
Because I need to watch now!
The links aren’t explicit, but yeah, supposedly it shares a world with Wolverine and the X-Men. I’m not sure I’d rate that show *quite* as highly as EMH… but that’s a pretty high bar!
@@PillarofGarbage Beh, Evolution was better than WaTXM
Ever read miracle man? The character young miracleman does a different but just as fascinating job with the man out of time trope. Just wish they’d let Neil gaiman finish it.
Haven’t read it yet, thanks for the recommendation!
@@PillarofGarbage just a warning they never rereleased the part I talked about so you will have to find it some other way
#savetheyostverse
For cap leading in today is just as natural as in the 40s
For just one second i thought the title said
"How captain america deals with cringe"
Nice video btw
Lmao, that would be the superior video
bro, why coma and pows as only examples when prisoners are right there?
A:EMH was really done dirty by the MCU, just like Iron Man: Armored Adventures and to some extent Spectacular Spider-Man.
I think comparing a fictional character to real life coma survivors or prisoners of war is kinda tasteless but at least it really brings our attention to how much they suffer and how hard life can be bit how they persevere nonetheless.
Difinative Cap in my opinion.
There were only two seasons, and he had been captured by skrulls for half of one
I love ❤️ this movie 🎥!
They had to modernize him so he could be a man out of time even when going back to his time.
Thought I was the only one who thought endgame cap leaving for some pussy was weird or a little out of character for himself at the time
Just rewatched the Cap microsode, and it raised a big question about the set up of this universe. Something that has bugged me since I first saw it all those years ago. Did the nazis exist in EMH continuity? In the into to this episode, the news cast refers to the enemy power that the allies are fighting as "Hydra." Zemo and the Red Skull are stated to be the leaders of this power. Never are the Nazis referenced. Cap accuses the Skull of doing Zemo's dirty work, not Adolf Hitlers as he did in the comics. So does that mean that Zemo takes the place of Hitler in this timeline? Did he do all of the things that hitler did. If so, then why wasn't he publicly executed in Israel like all of the real members of the high command? It would also make watching him as a villain much less enjoyable. Later, in the Hydra vs AIM one with the cosmic cube, Strucker's wish isn't for germany to win the war, but for Hydra to have won. So in this universe, the Nazis never came to power and instead a science cult of green wearing geeks came to power? Or did Hydra just lead a successful coup?
I may be misremembering, but I think at one point the creators said they wanted the Nazis to be shown to exist in-universe but it was either them or guns according to the network, and they were more bothered about having real guns.
(IIRC)
Hydra is the nazis, that’s literally what they are but a few different things
He is gunne get a banger of me cap fore the event great vidoe my friend + cap and wasp are the best! + ore zemo has a acsent and are cap is very good in dutch
bedankt voor het kijken :)
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No dislike means everyone agrees with it
1 dislike now :(
@@PillarofGarbage
It's Red skull and Zemo
I have one small opinion or maybe you could consider it a criticism,
You related the experiences of Captain America to returning POWs.
I want to mention one small difference that is significantly different, cap came back but kept his youth.
Meanwhile imagine spending 12 years doing nothing but getting tortured. By the time you come back you, yes have go deal with that time thing but your now older but having gained nothing significant from that age, no relationship, no nothing, no money, everyone has moved on without you.
True, the experiences aren’t identical - but I think they’re similar enough to be worth comparing :)
Like jesus said a leader is a servant he who is the greatest among others must lower himself to lead without ignorance with a good heart
If they ever did a Civil War storyline (Which is never), it probably would involve having Cap with SHIELD & the US Government, and Iron Man, along with the likes of Wasp, against them. To further add to this, it was pretty clear in the pilot episode & in episode 8 that Tony openly expressed dislike for SHIELD's involvement with superheroes, with how they were clearly into (for lack of a better term), "weaponizing them", having their own supersoldiers. On Cap's side of the table, in the Wonder Man episode, he meets with Nick Fury, and after having a pep-talk with the SHIELD director, the latter offers him his & SHIELD's help, which he expresses with thanks and consideration. To add to that, in the Annihilus episode, Steve declared that all he'll appeal to the imprisoned villains when their trial comes. Following this potential plot point (in my eyes), the supervillains who are granted amnesty would be sought out by SHIELD and the US Government, creating the Superhero Registration Act to induct them in as their own metahuman fighting force, probably with Ross and Baron Zemo at the helm, forming the Thunderbolts. (As to why Cap is on the side of the government... uh, well, I just think that he'd still be convinced that the modern US Government is still the same as the one he fought for in WW2. It'd probably take a while before he eventually realizes this, basically a misguided soldier y'know. Feel free to improve, to anyone who's reading this.)
I often wonder, Cap fought the nazis, he died fighting the nazis, so the question is raised, would Captain America be racist or at the very least unhappy around asians, russians, Italians, and Germans?
I think he’d be fine. Captain America always reflected the American ideal more than the American reality, and the American ideal is in large part founded upon immigration and mixing of cultures. I think he’d recognise that many of the people he fought in the war weren’t evil, but just conscripts - so he could easily let go of that baggage.
He wouldn't be a racist. He's Irish and they were oppressed as well
Cap was never known for being racist. “I don’t like bullies, I don’t care where they’re from” pretty self-explanatory if you ask me
"sweet, sweet 40s strange." I didn't like that. It was weird.
I found him a bit personality-less but I could definitely see how he changed
Let's do Thor after!!
Cap should continue to voice shock every time he sees black people eating in diners alongside white people, every time he sees gay people get married, or a woman divorces her husband.
Why is everyone so surprised about Marvel's mistakes, they haven't gotten a movie and series correctly since the 70's 👎🤔👎🤔👎🤔👎🤔👎🤔
Bait used to be believable.
@@_V.Va_ agreed mate 👍
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