Here is the problem I don't think you fully understand the MCU . It's the problem with a lot of RUclipsr and casual fans or comic fans who complain about captain America civil war. They are so busy focused on the trees they don't see the forests. Especially phase 4 The infinity saga was 23 chapters and played the same as any book who used the 3 structure format over the chapters . People don't understand phase 4 is act 1 of a new saga a new book . These movie names are nothing more than chapter titles they are actually adapting the comic each chapter has a purpose for the over all story. Why did the Avengers lose in infinity war ? Civil war is the answer, they were unprepared . Tony retired from building a suit of armour around the world , Cap and his team were on the run and helping people at the same time. Wanda and vision were left vulnerable because of this 2 of the most powerful character in the MCU at that moment had no leadership. Why did Steve decided not to sign. He's character was established in the first movie as selfless, he believed no man left behind when he disobey order to rescue that POW. Avengers assemble Nick fury hides the true nature of the tesseract and building weapon breach of trust from the government, winter soldier Steve is effected by hydra inflation another breach of trust, aswell as learning a fallen soldiers is still alive and needs help. Age of Ultron Tony breaks his trust by Developing Ultron which. This is why Steve doesn't sign the accords and why he doesn't trust Tony as much. Tony's reason was age of Ultron guilt from it, the mum who's son was killed . That Knock Tony off his high horse which was built up over the course of his 5 appearance. This is how the MCU format it's story telling. Secret invasion is just the chapter name . It started in Captain Marvel, but this is more complicated as it's different factions of the Skrull wanting different things. Now if I am right Secret Invasion will be Val's ticket to the Thunderbolts. This saga has alot of moving parts .act 1 is alot longer than . Everything you know about Secret Invasion In the comics throw it out
Difference between emh’s secret invasion and mcu secret invasion is that the emh one was an avengers level event, in the mcu it will probably be a small event
This is all true, yet at the same time we could very well be seeing another enemy, one that’s corrupted the Skrolls or infiltrated them without knowing! I’m talking about the Dire Wraiths. Enemies that were once Skrulls themselves!
@@danielramsey6141 Man Dire Wraith reminds me a lot of Marvel run of Rom the Space Knight. Alas they no longer had the right, but imagine if we get proper Rom adaptation in MCU
What I loved most about Secret Invasion was how they portrayed Nick Fury. It demonstrated Fury's insane level of awareness and readiness, a brand that none of the Avengers had. Granted, he got knocked down a peg when he failed to recognize that a Skrull was on his own team.
@@jesusramirezromo2037 According to one of the writers of the show, Mockingbird was the real one when we first see her in the season 1 episode Widow's Sting, where she assists Hawkeye with going after Black Window. But there's a scene at the end of the episode where the real Mockingbird chases after Madame Viper alone and goes through a door. That's when she got attacked and replaced off-screen, and the "Mockingbird" that Fury brought back with him to base was the queen Skrull.
I'm hyped for this show but I'm concerned at the same time. What makes it different than finding out Hydra had infiltrated Shield for a long time? Yes they are aliens but they really need to show the difference otherwise it's a retell but told in a different way. I love the EMH secret Invasion story. It was crazy and had me screaming at Tony saying, "Don't you realize Cap is acting different?" They really gotta go off on this one. Will see I'm interested though.
Imma be honest, a big part of Secret Invasion not working is the fact that Disney didn't have rights to X-Men, F4, or Spider-Man for a LONG time. And most of their characters from 2012 are dead or retired. It'll be INSANELY hard for them to pull this off without backlash.
@@ccelite3782 I agree and understand but It's just that they have to make this interesting because if it's just government officials, who cares? We have to see what the Skrull's overall plan is. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Because it does have the potential to be something beyond great. This story can put the characters in extreme situations were they can demonstrate who they really are. Showing distinct Skrull factions and what they are willing to do for their survival, but also their morality and values. And to be honest the mcu didnt really care that much about the hydra twist, agents of shield did. In the series they portrayed how it affected everyone, the sense of betrayal, the tension, the suspense, it kicked off the incredible character journey of every single one of them and changed them forever, made Ward (one of the most bland characters) one of the absolute best Marvel has ever had. Thats the potential Secret Invasion has.
Earth’s Mightiest Heroes’s version of the Secret Invasion is one of the few times I like a adaptation of a Marvel storyline better than the original, mostly because it felt a lot more personal and connected with the story of the Avengers, rather than the many different Marvel teams that splinter the focus of the story. While EMH Secret Invasion doesn’t rely on the twists of “who the Skrull is” like the comic version is, (not counting Mockingbird/Veranke) I think that the episode “Who Do You Trust” still works as one of the best episodes of EMH despite the audience already knowing that Cap is a Skrull. Another Criticism of the show could be that besides a few other characters like Invisible Woman or Madame Viper, no one really important was replaced like in the comic versions, which replaced characters liked Elektra or Hank Pym, but I don’t mind EMH’s changes because I felt that the “surprise reveal” twist hinders character development of those replaced characters. As for the MCU show, I can’t say much about it, other than the fact that I’m somewhat disappointed that Secret Invasion might be given the smaller-scale conflict than the culmination of a building conflict that culminates in the heroes of the Marvel universe doubting themselves and who they can ultimately trust. It’s also unfortunately likely that MCU’s Secret Invasion might just be a another conflict, while the comics and EMH had Major consequences from that event, like the Dark Reign and the Kree-Skrull War conflict.
MCU Secret Invasion is a missed opportunity for another Avengers movie. It could have been the Age Of Ultron/Civil War of this trilogy of phases. The last big conflict before the SUPER big conflict. But no, at least Samuel L. Jackson is there.
Thing is, how do you adapt this faithfuly into the MCU, when most of the Avengers are either dead, haven't seen each other in years, or just didn't know each other that much in general?
@@matti.8465 It's MCU fault for not making another Avengers movie in Phase 4, with maybe Wanda as the main villain. Doctor Strange, Black Panther (recast) and Spider-Man should have been the new faces of this new trilogy of phases, not... echo.
We got to see that Victor Von Doom was aware of the Skrull invasion in the first episode of the second season, as the stinger for the end of that episode, which works nicely as a one-two punch with the last episode of season 1. We know Doom has created the technology to detect the Skrulls, and they actually use that to their advantage when they use a method to take Iron Man out of the equation, ironically giving him a real means to identify them in their disguised state in the process because with the final stages of the plan coming to fruition the Skrulls have actually gotten cocky, it's left ambiguous if the Doom that gave Tony the add-on that enables him to detect the Skrulls was genuine or an imposter, but either way they knew Tony would be smart enough to figure out if the scan modulator really was genuine or just a hoax in very short order. A little something I like about the fake Avengers making a "return" to Earth is when Hawkeye is battling his doppelganger; the two seem pretty evenly matched until Clint literally catches an arrow his duplicate fired at him and fires it right back at his opponent; the Skrull imposter makes a comment about his feat being impossible because no one can be that good, and Clint casually says he his before decking his alien twin. To me, this shows how the Skrulls have flaws in their mimicry; they can't fully duplicate abilities that came mainly from countless hours of practice and honing of one's skills like Clint has; we see some of this a bit with the Skrull Cap, to a bit of lesser degree because of alien technology the Skrulls used to duplicate Steve's memories and transfer those copies to his Skrull doppelganger. If you watch very closely, you can see all of the real Captain America's moves are fluid from years of practice and less hesitation or time thinking before making his move; the Skrull imposter moves are a bit more rigid and almost mechanical like he's making conscious decisions to move his body through what should be Captain America's more fluid instinctual and practiced motions; the fact the animators of EMH actually took the time to animate micro-expressions and minor differences in body movement between the originals and their Skrull imposter counterparts just speaks to the level of talent the artists has in their animation of the series and isn't usually something that you would see animators thinking about, let alone actually taking the time to actually animate.
One of my favorite facts on EMH is that Shrulltain America, past when he encounters the real Cap, doesn't have his head wings standing up like the real guy. It's such a small detail, but it shows even these aliens can screw up and potentially blow their cover.
Ik old comment, but one important part about that suit that Skrull Cap had: while the OG cap suit is from Earth-616 main comics, the Skrull suit is from the Earth-1610 Ultimate Marvel comics, a modernised AU, and Captain America in that universe was generally a terrible person, somewhat stupid and bigoted, rude, and not above using children in an orphanage as human shields against a supervillain. So the obviously evil Captain America Skrull suit is a jab at that, and even Skrull Cap acts somewhat like the Ultimate version.
The part of EMH’s Secret Invasion that hits the hardest for me has always been when Skrull Cap tells Hulk to go back to The Cube, a place it’s been well established Hulk HATES and wants to avoid going back to at all costs. Fuck, they torture him there. It’s probably one of the reasons he stayed on the Avengers, with the protection being a member of the team was supposed to give him. It’s such a big betrayal, especially to me as a giant Hulk fan, and of course Hulk trusts the Skrull when he says they’ll come back for him because as far as he knows he’s CAPTAIN FUCKING AMERICA. And it’s also a brilliant tactical move on the Skrull’s part to get rid of the Avengers’ heaviest hitter, even after the team has splintered. It’s definitely not gonna come to this in the show, but I did want to mention it as it’s such a significant moment in EMH’s adaptation even if it’s not necessarily relevant to this discussion per se. Also: Having both Cap and Hawkeye alongside 2 other members after the team fractures was a neat callback to Cap’s Kooky Quartet, the second team of Avengers ever in the comics.
It just occurred to me that the "Who do you Trust?" moment in the MCU could be more complicated if there are Skrulls on the human side; so even if you know someone is a Skrull you still don't know if they're an ally or an enemy
Iron Man: Self-described as a futurist, trying to do what's best for the future of humanity, and when presented with the problem of the Skrull invasion, becomes obsessed with solving the problem in unhealthy ways, as Jarvis and Pepper told him. Wasp: The heart and optimist of the group, she tries to keep it together at all costs because she knows (correctly) that they shouldn't be torn apart by a Skrull invasion, and that the only way to fight them is together. Because of this, she stays in the team even if they are just a "kooky quartet". Hulk: Throughout the show, people's confidence in the Hulk has been very low, and the other 3 members of the kooky quartet are the most supportive of him throughout the show, especially Cap (which makes his arrest one of the biggest the most heartbreaking moments of the show). So it makes sense that he supports Hawkeye even when it seems obvious that he is the impostor. Black Panther: Throughout the show, his main interests were always the good of his nation. Of course, he's on the team to show his appreciation to them and to save the world, but in Kang's invasion his duty was to Wakanda, and the same goes here. I feel like it's at this point that the friendship between BP and Hawkeye fragments, as the latter doesn't understand how he can put his friends aside for the good of his nation. Hawkeye: A very interesting case and somewhat similar to the Hulk (which is why they were instant friends), Hawkeye started out in the series being framed for something he didn't do, being considered a villain even when trying to help, and also being troublesome with why. his personality, as shown by when he rebelled against Fury to attack Hydra. Something I have to say is that the relationship between Cap and Hawkeye is not as strong as it is in the comics, but at least it has been shown on at least 2 occasions that Steve supports Clint, even with his temper. When he begins to be accused by Iron Man and company of being Skrull, he begins to act desperate, mistrusting his team's mistrust and putting them in the situation they ended up in. In the end, the team members who trust him form the quartet. Ms. Marvel: The case of Carol is interesting since she is the newcomer, and therefore she tries to do what she thinks is best for the team while at the same time trying to carry out orders, but this ends quite badly. It's quite sad to see how Carol is separated from the people she was having a great time with 1 hour ago, but luckily everything improves by the end of the arc.
One thing I really hope for this series is that it matters in the grand scheme of the MCU and has a lasting aftermath. I haven’t watched EMH for a couple of years but I definitely remember something about Cap and maybe the other Avengers struggling to gain the public trust again, we need that sort of impact in the MCU too. This could have really long lasting ramifications throughout phase 5, going into armour wars and maybe even New World Order and Thunderbolts, or it could just be a one and done that we’ll all see as wasted potential, I really hope we get the former
I feel like it's going to imply lasting consequences, but the writers of future projects won't do anything with it outside of mentioning it. The aftermath of the Snap didn't really go anywhere and was wasted opportunity. Also, the Accords are technically still active and yet the MCU doesn't acknowledge it anymore.
@@ToothofaShark honestly that's all they really need to do because just the mentioning of past events from other mcu projects like the snap(which did objectively have a huge impact on future mcu projects since both infinity war and endgame), means that they had a huge ramifications for future projects.
@@iraford5788 not really. Dusting half the earth's population and 5 years later they reappear. That would have huge ramifications to how the world would work from that point forward and how people would act, but the only one that actually addressed it was Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Hawkeye (kinda). The rest mention it and go back to the status quo of the world as if it didn't happen. The Leftovers did this concept way better in how society and people changed in many ways when 5% of earth's population disappeared.
@@ToothofaShark it still did have big ramifications as there are still current plot points being made about the snap going forward in future mcu projects , and you saying it doesn't have a huge impact in the aftermath of endgame is simply your opinion (which is obviously in the minority).
@@iraford5788 could you please explain what the current plot points that revolve around the snap are and how they still have major ramifications because you're saying that it has major ramifications because it just does.
And one movie they can gain inspiration from about who can you trust and who you cannot trust is, John Carpenter's The Thing. Because that movie nailed it.
In terms of atmosphere, definitely. But the settings are wildly different here: claustrophobic, isolated research station vs. globetrotting spy thriller.
This is crazy. I didn’t even realize this was the story that was being adapted in the much show, so I hadn’t watched it. I grew up on EMH secret invasion though!! This makes me feel so fuzzy and nostalgic, I loved that show.
The worst part of secret invasion in the comics was that tried to present the skulls as this great treat when by that point everyone and their grandma had fought against skulls, and in typical Bendis fashion they supposedly explained that these skulls were better at impersonating just because, no matter there was technology, magic and psychic powers that have exposed them before. In AEMH the skulls were a new menace and nobody knew how to id one, until (spoiler) Dr. Doom did, and we saw how he did it.
When you were talking about the possibility of Skrull factionalism, I thought about Doctor Who, specifically "Day of the Doctor" and "The Zygon Invasion." The A-plot of "Day of the Doctor," like the MCU adaption of "Captain Marvel," ends in a race of shapeshifters creating a treaty to live in peace among humanity. "The Zygon Invasion" takes place a few years later, and is about the youngsters of that race of shapeshifters, who are... unsatisfied, with only taking human form, and believe that they should be able to live freely as Zygons. And also take over the world. Talos might be similar to Zygon Osgood, in that both are shapeshifters who do everything they can to preserve the peace between their race and humanity.
I like the EMH version of Secret Invasion Storyline, and I'm looking forward for Secret Invasion on Disney+ to see difference between the EMH and the MCU Secret Invasion.
And here I am, directly from the Doom video. Lots of good points; I guess I'll never get Warskrulls in live action..... I did have an interesting take on why the Skrulls are doing this: Security. (rather than the holy crusade they were on in the comics, or just taking over as in EMH) Assume the Skrulls have been living her as sort of refugees for about 20 years or so, since Captain Marvel. What's happened in that time? Super humans rise up, we get Loki, Ultron, Hydra almost takes over the world, Dark Elves almost remake reality, and then Dormamu almost takes over. And then Thanos. He actually DOES his evil plan, and half of those refugee skrulls, their numbers already drastically reduced, disappear. Sure the Avengers Fixed it, but the also almost lost it all, again. And then some giant alien shows up? Humanity is playing fast and loose with reality, with powers it can barely understand. They must be controlled, they must slow down this destructive path. So the Skrulls have a plan. Take over, slow their progress and lead them to a more peaceful path, before they destroy us all. Then we turn the whole thing into a metaphor for our world, and distrust for authorities and how some people see the only way to save our future is to seize power and force a better future down the rest of our throats. Are the Skrulls a stand in for the Left trying to get the world to attend to social justice and climate change before it all falls apart, or are they the Right trying to get the world to return to the traditional values before society collapses? Yes
I loved EMH version of Secret Invasion but I heard that are some people who wished that the whole season were based around it, I don’t know if we would’ve got an even better version but I’m happy with the adaptation regardless I wished the MCU could make a whole phase about Secret Invasion but all we’re gonna get is a D+ show
I remember when the first avengers movie came out I had no idea who they were, so I watched EMH to get my up to speed. I always wondered if I loved the secret invasion storyline for its own merits or if I was experiencing heavy nostalgia.
The Secret Invasion storyline, like the Civil War comic, was a good idea ruined by bad execution. The MCU has a knack for improving such comicbook arcs.
A great video as usual. Love these comparisons between the animated series and the mcu. I've always felt like the MCU would be better if it was animated for several reasons and you've brought up a few of them in these videos.
I’m not sure if this was actually intentional on the creator’s part, but one detail that I’ve always found to be really clever about EMH’s take on Secret Invasion was having Skrull-Cap be modeled after Cap from the Ultimate comics. For those not in the know, in the Ultimate Marvel universe, Captain America is portrayed as being….well….kind of the biggest asshole imaginable, as is the case for a good majority of other characters featured in those books. And with that portrayal having drawn a *lot* of criticism over the years, I feel that having Skrull-Cap actually be modeled after the version of the character who was written as nothing but a condescending, antagonistic bully, only to then be beaten down and defeated by the *real* Cap in the arc’s climax was genuinely cathartic.
I'm personally not excited cuz i feel like they won't really deliver with the shocks,they don't have enough characters as the comics where they have a big catalog of who could turn out to be a skrull, unlike the MCU where they don't have the ease to turn any character a skrull...also the show isn't about the Avengers, it's about Nick Fury and his team...so it's not as interesting
Would have been impossible to do a comics accurate secret invasion unless they changed up the whole phase. Besides this is a more refreshing addition to the MCU.
How did you not talk about the EMH Captain America episode about his capture and escape?! The quintessential Steve Rogers story and an excellent use of all the abducted and replaced characters who might’ve been strangers to us without this episode
I love avengers earth mightiest heroes and there adaptation of secret invasion was freaking fantastic and way better then the comics version which just bad and a complete mess and plus the comics version really ended very anticlimactic and was just stupid but that's just my opinion. As for the secret invasion live action show I am hoping that show does take a lot of notes from Avengers EMH because there version of secret invasion is amazing and fantastic.
The point you raised about a possible storyline surrounding the dangers of paranoia etc. A really good example of that is the episode of Star Trek Deep Space Nine, Paradise Lost. It manages to be a critique of post 9/11 America something like 4 years before 9/11. Startlingly prescient for its time and an excellent example of what you were talking about.
In all honesty I preferred EMH to the 616 comic. We know who the players are and there are fewer red herrings that the story throws in to further confuse the audience.
What made secret invasion so fun was having to guess what heroes were who they said they were or not. Let’s hope they spend a bit of money and get some avengers in for short scenes or multiple episodes. I get it’s a tv show but I’d rather have Sam Wilson as a skrull than nick fury for the 10th time.
One BIG THING alot of people are forgetting is, that this show is supposed to take place during the Blip, so alot of cameos are possible, but wrong ones could mess up continuity
@@angryh9392 it was confirmed he wasn't actually dusted, that it was a skrull not him, which doesn't make since why it would have Captain Marvel's pager, but then again it's Talos. So he does know her personally
Here's a thought, what if Secret Invasion ends up working as the setup instead of the full narrative? We start with that to provide narrative irony moving forward, get some buildup in later projects (The Marvels seems like a good pick), and bring it all to a head in Secret Wars. I know the comic story of Secret Wars had nothing to do with Skrulls, but with the naming parallels happening I could see the MCU diverting from adding yet another major event (minus significant buildup) if it means bringing the Secret Invasion narrative together
I've been rewatching this series, and holy cow, not just the Secret Invasion, but the whole show had many different arcs woven together across both seasons that all paid off in some way. Secret Invasion itself was built up ever since season 1, and there were plenty of other plot threads that felt like each and every episode mattered in the larger scheme and not just filler. The writing for the show is still underrated, and I'd go as far as saying that if Batman The Animated Series is a masterwork in character driven storytelling, Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes is the same way but for bigger picture narratives.
It was implied that most of the superhumans from the comics existed in the EMH universe--there were a bunch of faces on Fury's wall as he was figuring out who was a skrull and who wasn't, for example.
I love the fact that Pillar of Garbage (whose content I think can be deep and insightful at times) does videos regarding EMH. It's such a disappointment that they didn't make more of EMH and it was decided later to make Avengers Assemble (which is inferior in every way).
One problem the MCU is going to run into is that the timeline of events is so desynced with the comics where these stories originated from. The original Avengers are either dead or retired, and by virtue of using live actors these people don't want to play these roles forever, nor can they. Yes, you can switch out actors, but doing it too much breaks the immersion of the live action media being consumed. You also can't play loose with the timeline or reboot the universe like you can in comic books, so these events are going to run into conflict with one another. On another point, the MCU is just getting too big and convoluted now. Secret Invasion is something that should be a world changing, but it's being done in a television show. If said show doesn't effect the larger canon it will make the world feel connected in name only. If the show does effect the larger canon it basically makes it impossible for casual viewers to understand it all and have an investment in everything.
Honestly a really cool version of this could lean so heavily into the paranoia aspect to the point there is no invasion. Where Skulls are infiltrating at the start, but only because of mind-control. Someone else wants to plant doubt and watch the world burn. Anyone could be a Skrull the only secret is that no one is a Skrull.
As a jew i love secret invasion. however, i will say that while the allusion made by invasion of the body snatchers and other similar media to real life events was specifically related to communism, often times communism was just a pretense for hatred and fear of jews.
deep down we all know it's going to suck because marvel is full of hack writers and disney refuses to hire anyone who isn't an idiot Werewolf by Night was pretty good, though.
Weirdly enough Spider-Man Homecoming had a lot of (unintentional?) inspiration from Spectacular Spider-Man, with Vulture being the first super-villain Peter fights, Montana being Shocker (still wish that the rest of the Enforcers were in Homecoming), and Liz Allan being the initial love interest, though that last one is most likely a coincidence.
@@MTV2O2O One thing I wanted was for Gwen and Harry to be introduced in the movie and introduced as Peter's best friends like they are in The Spectacular Spider-Man. Too bad that didn't happen, but at least we have Ned and MJ.
My main concern is that this is a self-contained show, so the stakes might not feel as weighty as they should. I think it should've been integrated into the movies and built up over several years
I think Fury should take the part of Tony in emh. Talos taking Fury rodey taking cap and hill taking the role of mocking bird. Not a one to recreation but with different characters but a similar type of role
Undre siege : the first part of avengers emh S4 1/Old friend , old enemy : The Mandarin sends the swordsman Hawkeye's mentor in the past to set up a bomb 💥 on the mansion with atlas who attempts to steal Pymparticals. meanwhile, kate bishop was training with Clint. 2/under siege : A new world order led by Dr. Doom convinced the greatest super-villains on earth 🌐 (mandarin. Magneto!!!!, Ultron, red skull, kang immortus, red hulk, Zemo, and many others...) to eliminate the heroes and destroy their headquarters by forcing each of them to battle against an unusual villain. Jennifer Walters the cousin of Bruce banner was in the mansion when the attack happened. 3/mad thinkers : meanwhile Thor on the new Asgard faces a mysterious warrior called Hercules to see if he is strong enough hhhhhh also a group of mad scientists called Intelegencia (doom, leader, modoc, Zola, red ghost, wizard,.mad thinker, Zombo) they want to stol the vibranium by invading Wakanda.t chala is alone. 4/seige: red Skull and Hydra are doing a siege on new Asgard only Thor, Hercul,es, and the asguardians stand against this invasion. 5/mastermind Ultron : Ultron in an attempt to restore Vision's mind, Jocasta turns her back on him after Vision convinces her to free the Avengers. Jocasta and the Avengers face Ultron and the sentinals programme controlled by him. 6/ heroes are back : the avengers scattered the world to free heroes facilities (Baxter building, x mainsion!!, genosha!!!, sword , wakos mansion, stark tower, avengers mansion ). Ester eggs : sanctum Santorum, heroes for hire, spider man. 7/the ten rings : The Avengers travels to China 🇨🇳 fighting the Mandarin and the Ultimos guardians to free iron man. A mysterious man called Shang-chi saw what happen on the news in the post-credit scene . 8/armor wars : iron Man began an armored war all over the world with rhody aka iron patriot to restore his tech from a long list of criminals working for doom ( beetle, crimson dynamo, titanium man, dark hawk ...ext) . 9/atlantis attack : atlantis attacked the surface with armies, a group of heroes goes to investigate deep down in the ocean with the help of stingrey's agent of sheild only to find Namor under mind control by the intelegencia and Attuma the guy who wants to rule Atlantis and sink the world's coasts in return the secrets of Atlantis will be in the hands of intelegencia. (the Atlantian mystical scepter ). 10/royal kingdom : the inhuman crystal contact the Avengers for help to free attilan and the royal family from Maximus who used the same mind controlling tecknologie like what happened to Atlantis. 11/time for redemption : the avengers head to the new Asgard and wakanda for redemption to free Thor, hercules and the asguardians from hydra and t chaos from intelegencia . 12/mysterious- she : the Avengers located the operating base of the intilegansia in the savage land they will meet k-sar the protector of the jungle !!! The avengers will face the villains and the Hulk will battle against the red hulk and a female green version of him .enter the she-Hulk. 13/doom's day : all the heroes strike latveria to stop Doom and frees the FF and the black panther but now he's even powerful with stark's teck and vibrinuim weapons 🔪. But is that it for doom or their is something in the future!!!!!? Infinity quest : the second part of avengers emh s4 . 14/The silver serfer : A cosmic being called the silver serfer came to Earth to free his master Galactus from the negative zone and he believes that Galactus needs to be alive for the sake of the universe . 15/korvac saga part 1 : Cap marv-ell contacts ms- marvel and the Avengers to stop the war between Michael korvac and Ronan ego wants to destroy the kree empire for revenge . 16/ korvac saga part 2 : the kaorvac saga continue on hala, the guardians of the galaxy join the avengers to put an end for korvac for good 🌟 . 17/ego : ego the leaving planet 🌚 is under attack by Galactus, the mantis sends a rescue massage to the guardians to save the planet, what happened next to our heroes? 18/contest of champions : the grandmaster show up to the Avengers and the gotg to starts a contest of champions to kidnap Adam worlok and his soul gem to destroy the universe by killing Galactus after what he did to ego and build a new one . ( Some avengers and gotg vs squadron supreme ). 19/the collection : the avengers and the Guardians scattered across the universe to collect the remaining gems before the grandmaster. heading to the collector and they play his game for the space gem . 20/sheir-empire : other group head to ancient civilization called the sheir-empire to investigate about the gems only to find more trubles. 21/crosse the stars : meanwhile other group meets with mysterious groupe pusose the mind gem (Drax, moon dragon, star fox , pit the Troll). 22/molecule fraction : the heroes faces the molecule man in space 🌌 to win the power gem . 23/magus conflict : a dark version of Adam warlok sent by the grand master to attacks the heroes. 24/beyond things : a cosmic being called the Beyonder reaches out to the heroes testing their powers if they worthy of battling the upcoming coming war, in the end they will win a cosmic threat level weapon location. (the cosmic beings in the universe ester eggs ). 25/the inhilation part 1: the elders of the universe pusose the ( time, reality, soul gems). And strike Galactus. Some heroes stay to fight the elders of the universe with their new gem's powers and others go to search for this cosmic weapon. 26/the inhilation part 2 : the fate of the universe in the hands of the heroes. The hulk is bunished to sakar. The heroes are defeated, even with this cosmic weapon 🔪 are they going to win. Planet hulk, thanos ester eggs.
I think a big part of the story is going to be the Younger Brood that were born after Captain Marvel's events hitting back after the Kree took advantage of the chaos of the Blip while Carol was occupied with fighting threats across the universe on her own. I think we MIGHT get the creation of the Super Skrull which may introduce either the whole of the Fantastic Four or maybe a small cameo of someone like Doctor Doom or Sue Storm to call back to the first appearance of the Super Skrull in the comics, but the odds on that happening are probably not as great as you'd think. We might get a small bit of The Leader manipulating the Skrulls going into New World Order, maybe a bit of Harrison Ford, and if the arcs of phase 5 and 6 weren't already fully set up, we could get Dark Reign with Norman Osborn finally being introduced in the Spider-Man Freshman Year show
MCU secret invasion won't be as good as AEMH secret invasion I just know it I hope marvel studios brings back avengers Earth's mightiest hero's for more seasons with the same creative team that worked on the first 2 seasons just like how their bringing back the 90s X-men show
Secret invasion should effect every single character on earth. Every team, every hero, every villain, all of them are effected te d by this and must work together
Thank You SO BLOODY MUCH for mentioning that agents of shield s4 scene. Because it completely showcases the core of what the secret invasion should be. The TENSION that scene has is completely extreme. Watching how fitz's work on the lmd program is basically the cause of the whole infiltration, it's personal and painful for everyone, and they even didnt just do that, because the framework arc started right away and blown our heads up even more. The potential Secret Invasion has is amazing, it can elevate the mcu's storytelling to a whole other level and kickoff a completely new status quo and give us something truly unique. I really do hope they don't miss this opportunity (and for god' sake, bring back Quake, or coulson, or mention Fitzsimmons, or May, or mack, or the kree in any capacity, etc because itd be a huge miss if they didnt give use of any of the amazing things the agents of shield series presented on it's complete run)
With how the MCU is set up, I would set this up as Fury and the Skrulls taking over political leaders and other volatile people to maintain world peace in the face of galactic threats, but Val's group exposes it as an invasion. Fury was all for Hydra's death fliers before it was shown as Hydra, he'd totally do this, and the "villains" exposing it is an interesting way to go.
For the last time, Hogwarts Legacy is not anti-Semitic. That is an over analyzation based off the way that Goblins look in the books and movies, which has simply bleed into this game cause they look alike. Does the wizarding world have issues, yes, is this one of them, I don't think so. If anyone has other thoughts on this, can we please have a civil discussion, rather than blind rage.
While I agree with the video, I still can't believe you left out Doom being one of the main reasons the Skrulls were defeated, he did out of pure spite for them trying to conquer and succeed (also to rub in on Reed face that he wasn't smart enough to figure it out)
I actually stayed away from that because when I mentioned Doom’s role in the skrull threat in a previous video, there was a lot of disagreement in the comments if Doom himself was actually a skrull - and I didn’t want to reignite that disagreement!
I love the idea of showing good skrulls vs bad skrulls, that could be a very good way of repressenting the real World too, not every person from this country with terrorist’s is an actuall terrorist, but at the same time most Marvel shows have been pretty disapointing so fare, so my expectations isent relly that High, i mostly hope its not gonna be a major flop.
In my opinion though I think they already kind of messed things up as it is with the Skrulls. They were always in the Comic Books were quite tyrannical and always trying to do some shady stuff. Knowing that it made secret invasion very entertaining and interesting. But in the MCU, they basically turn the Skrulls into a group of refugees who were on the run from the Kree. And then at the end of Spider-Man far from home…. It hinted that Nick fury has given the Skrulls, A purpose as part of a type of S.W.O.R.D organization. But I have them just abruptly decided they want to take over the earth seemed kind of out of place now. But I have been thinking about it..if the Skrulls are anything like humans, not all of them may want peace and tranquility. I mean they were kind of subjugated and killed off by the Kree. So it’s understandable that there might be some bad blood with them and they may feel like they deserve more than just being refugees at this point. I mean basically one of the reasons why Skrulls Conquer planets like earth is because they believe that they are clandestine and deserve it more so than the original inhabitants. So now that they are refugees who have to keep running from planet planet they may feel like earth is too good for the humans and may want to try to take it over. But if that’s the case then there has to be Krulls Who are not on board with the idea and may be trying to help to prevent invasion. Like most races, not every Skrull is bad. In the original story there was one that was a sleeper agent who had to be on earth for a long time and take on a secret identity so he married a human woman and basically became an adopted father to her son. The problem is that he played the part for so long that eventually he could no longer go back to being who he was. I mean he knew he was a Skrull, The problem is he generally did fall in love with the woman he married and grew to love her son as well. So when it came time for the final invasion he could not do it. Him and a lot of other Skrull who are in the same situation or branded as traders and could not go back to the empire. But surprisingly a lot of them didn’t really care because to them they basically had a family and a planet to live on. That being said though I don’t think they were prepared for the witch hunts that came from Secret invasion. So in the end the same thing could happen to any of the good will Skrulls.
Seriously, the fact that anyone thinks a plot about a movie is any shape or forms of "problematic", shows how comfortable and easy the lives of people are, that they need to find problems in everything.
I think it’s to do with the fact that more people are getting savvy about the ways cultural products internet with social and political systems more widely. It isn’t just ‘this thing is bad’, it’s ‘this thing may be contributing to harmful parts of our society, and even if we can still enjoy the thing.. it’s better to be aware of its problems than to be ignorant of them’
@@PillarofGarbage dude, the original writer of secret invasion is jewish, it's hard to imagin that antisemitism is what went in his head while writing this. If people, instead of getting angry, would just fact check themselves, we won't ear of duch dumb claims
You should do some more Spectacular Spider-Man videos since the show is coming to Disney Plus soon. It might help reinvigorate some interest in the series and maybe get a renewal. I know that's a long shot but we can still show our appreciation for the show and how well it was made. (If you wanted to do another playlist, I'm sure I could pull something together on how that version of Venom works over other adaptations...)
Maybe the best way to make this feel like it has weight would be to make Fury the Skrull. Have the protagonists reverse and suddenly Maria Hill and a few other characters are fighting an up hill battle against a Skull Invasion that has already thoroughly captured SWORD’s infrastructure.
@@PillarofGarbage The main thing that makes be wish this is true is is that it will mean that Feige has serious hiding in plain sight energy because he literally showed Fury on a space station in Charge of a legion of Skrulls back in Spider-Man Far from Home.
Secret Invasion is already going to be on a smaller scale if set from Fury’s perspective. Not that it’ll be bad, but I already expect more focus on the character than the plot itself. This definitely could have used some Secret Avengers foreshadowing, another superhero or two’s experience alongside Fury and the Invasion.
i personally think the skrulls will be a form of red herring and it will be humans using skrull technology/dna to not only use it for their profit but also to cover their tracks by frsaming skrulls
The biggest fly in the ointment is that they made the Skrull harmless refugees who are fighting for a home, rather than egotistical body snatchers that they were in the comics and EMH.
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@DRAGON STORM no it's not . Don't be ridiculous
Here is the problem I don't think you fully understand the MCU . It's the problem with a lot of RUclipsr and casual fans or comic fans who complain about captain America civil war. They are so busy focused on the trees they don't see the forests.
Especially phase 4
The infinity saga was 23 chapters and played the same as any book who used the 3 structure format over the chapters . People don't understand phase 4 is act 1 of a new saga a new book . These movie names are nothing more than chapter titles they are actually adapting the comic each chapter has a purpose for the over all story.
Why did the Avengers lose in infinity war ?
Civil war is the answer, they were unprepared . Tony retired from building a suit of armour around the world , Cap and his team were on the run and helping people at the same time. Wanda and vision were left vulnerable because of this 2 of the most powerful character in the MCU at that moment had no leadership. Why did Steve decided not to sign. He's character was established in the first movie as selfless, he believed no man left behind when he disobey order to rescue that POW.
Avengers assemble Nick fury hides the true nature of the tesseract and building weapon breach of trust from the government, winter soldier Steve is effected by hydra inflation another breach of trust, aswell as learning a fallen soldiers is still alive and needs help. Age of Ultron Tony breaks his trust by Developing Ultron which.
This is why Steve doesn't sign the accords and why he doesn't trust Tony as much.
Tony's reason was age of Ultron guilt from it, the mum who's son was killed . That Knock Tony off his high horse which was built up over the course of his 5 appearance.
This is how the MCU format it's story telling.
Secret invasion is just the chapter name .
It started in Captain Marvel, but this is more complicated as it's different factions of the Skrull wanting different things. Now if I am right Secret Invasion will be Val's ticket to the Thunderbolts. This saga has alot of moving parts .act 1 is alot longer than .
Everything you know about Secret Invasion In the comics throw it out
Don't forget that Veranke, the Secrer Invasion mastermind from the comics and EMH is apparently Talos' daughter in the MCU...
Difference between emh’s secret invasion and mcu secret invasion is that the emh one was an avengers level event, in the mcu it will probably be a small event
Yep true but it could still be a great event depending on how the story of the show goes.
This is all true, yet at the same time we could very well be seeing another enemy, one that’s corrupted the Skrolls or infiltrated them without knowing!
I’m talking about the Dire Wraiths. Enemies that were once Skrulls themselves!
@@danielramsey6141 Man Dire Wraith reminds me a lot of Marvel run of Rom the Space Knight. Alas they no longer had the right, but imagine if we get proper Rom adaptation in MCU
It may not be. I mean, Loki had a universal altering event that has an influence 2 films so far.
So far, you are right.
What I loved most about Secret Invasion was how they portrayed Nick Fury. It demonstrated Fury's insane level of awareness and readiness, a brand that none of the Avengers had. Granted, he got knocked down a peg when he failed to recognize that a Skrull was on his own team.
Plot devices… love of it hate em they at least help move the plot along
For all we know, she wasn't even a Skrull to begin with. Mockingbird could have found the Viper Skrull and been taken at a later time.
@@BlueCarnage0Nah, she was always a Skrull
The Story she told was real, But with Mockingbird being replaced, not Hawkeye
@@jesusramirezromo2037 According to one of the writers of the show, Mockingbird was the real one when we first see her in the season 1 episode Widow's Sting, where she assists Hawkeye with going after Black Window.
But there's a scene at the end of the episode where the real Mockingbird chases after Madame Viper alone and goes through a door. That's when she got attacked and replaced off-screen, and the "Mockingbird" that Fury brought back with him to base was the queen Skrull.
I'm hyped for this show but I'm concerned at the same time. What makes it different than finding out Hydra had infiltrated Shield for a long time? Yes they are aliens but they really need to show the difference otherwise it's a retell but told in a different way. I love the EMH secret Invasion story. It was crazy and had me screaming at Tony saying, "Don't you realize Cap is acting different?" They really gotta go off on this one. Will see I'm interested though.
Theese are my feelings are pretty much the entire rest of the mcu
Ur a og old ass show
Imma be honest, a big part of Secret Invasion not working is the fact that Disney didn't have rights to X-Men, F4, or Spider-Man for a LONG time.
And most of their characters from 2012 are dead or retired.
It'll be INSANELY hard for them to pull this off without backlash.
@@ccelite3782 I agree and understand but It's just that they have to make this interesting because if it's just government officials, who cares? We have to see what the Skrull's overall plan is. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Because it does have the potential to be something beyond great. This story can put the characters in extreme situations were they can demonstrate who they really are. Showing distinct Skrull factions and what they are willing to do for their survival, but also their morality and values. And to be honest the mcu didnt really care that much about the hydra twist, agents of shield did. In the series they portrayed how it affected everyone, the sense of betrayal, the tension, the suspense, it kicked off the incredible character journey of every single one of them and changed them forever, made Ward (one of the most bland characters) one of the absolute best Marvel has ever had. Thats the potential Secret Invasion has.
Earth’s Mightiest Heroes’s version of the Secret Invasion is one of the few times I like a adaptation of a Marvel storyline better than the original, mostly because it felt a lot more personal and connected with the story of the Avengers, rather than the many different Marvel teams that splinter the focus of the story.
While EMH Secret Invasion doesn’t rely on the twists of “who the Skrull is” like the comic version is, (not counting Mockingbird/Veranke) I think that the episode “Who Do You Trust” still works as one of the best episodes of EMH despite the audience already knowing that Cap is a Skrull.
Another Criticism of the show could be that besides a few other characters like Invisible Woman or Madame Viper, no one really important was replaced like in the comic versions, which replaced characters liked Elektra or Hank Pym, but I don’t mind EMH’s changes because I felt that the “surprise reveal” twist hinders character development of those replaced characters.
As for the MCU show, I can’t say much about it, other than the fact that I’m somewhat disappointed that Secret Invasion might be given the smaller-scale conflict than the culmination of a building conflict that culminates in the heroes of the Marvel universe doubting themselves and who they can ultimately trust. It’s also unfortunately likely that MCU’s Secret Invasion might just be a another conflict, while the comics and EMH had Major consequences from that event, like the Dark Reign and the Kree-Skrull War conflict.
MCU Secret Invasion is a missed opportunity for another Avengers movie. It could have been the Age Of Ultron/Civil War of this trilogy of phases. The last big conflict before the SUPER big conflict. But no, at least Samuel L. Jackson is there.
Thing is, how do you adapt this faithfuly into the MCU, when most of the Avengers are either dead, haven't seen each other in years, or just didn't know each other that much in general?
@@matti.8465 It's MCU fault for not making another Avengers movie in Phase 4, with maybe Wanda as the main villain.
Doctor Strange, Black Panther (recast) and Spider-Man should have been the new faces of this new trilogy of phases, not... echo.
We got to see that Victor Von Doom was aware of the Skrull invasion in the first episode of the second season, as the stinger for the end of that episode, which works nicely as a one-two punch with the last episode of season 1. We know Doom has created the technology to detect the Skrulls, and they actually use that to their advantage when they use a method to take Iron Man out of the equation, ironically giving him a real means to identify them in their disguised state in the process because with the final stages of the plan coming to fruition the Skrulls have actually gotten cocky, it's left ambiguous if the Doom that gave Tony the add-on that enables him to detect the Skrulls was genuine or an imposter, but either way they knew Tony would be smart enough to figure out if the scan modulator really was genuine or just a hoax in very short order.
A little something I like about the fake Avengers making a "return" to Earth is when Hawkeye is battling his doppelganger; the two seem pretty evenly matched until Clint literally catches an arrow his duplicate fired at him and fires it right back at his opponent; the Skrull imposter makes a comment about his feat being impossible because no one can be that good, and Clint casually says he his before decking his alien twin. To me, this shows how the Skrulls have flaws in their mimicry; they can't fully duplicate abilities that came mainly from countless hours of practice and honing of one's skills like Clint has; we see some of this a bit with the Skrull Cap, to a bit of lesser degree because of alien technology the Skrulls used to duplicate Steve's memories and transfer those copies to his Skrull doppelganger. If you watch very closely, you can see all of the real Captain America's moves are fluid from years of practice and less hesitation or time thinking before making his move; the Skrull imposter moves are a bit more rigid and almost mechanical like he's making conscious decisions to move his body through what should be Captain America's more fluid instinctual and practiced motions; the fact the animators of EMH actually took the time to animate micro-expressions and minor differences in body movement between the originals and their Skrull imposter counterparts just speaks to the level of talent the artists has in their animation of the series and isn't usually something that you would see animators thinking about, let alone actually taking the time to actually animate.
That's a very good point actually I never thought about the practice thing 🤔
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One of my favorite facts on EMH is that Shrulltain America, past when he encounters the real Cap, doesn't have his head wings standing up like the real guy. It's such a small detail, but it shows even these aliens can screw up and potentially blow their cover.
Ik old comment, but one important part about that suit that Skrull Cap had: while the OG cap suit is from Earth-616 main comics, the Skrull suit is from the Earth-1610 Ultimate Marvel comics, a modernised AU, and Captain America in that universe was generally a terrible person, somewhat stupid and bigoted, rude, and not above using children in an orphanage as human shields against a supervillain. So the obviously evil Captain America Skrull suit is a jab at that, and even Skrull Cap acts somewhat like the Ultimate version.
After watching the MCU's Secret Invasion, Earth's Mightiest Heroes was a GODSEND.
Right ✅️ 💯
@@MaxlineOwens EMH does soooooo much better than the MCU
The part of EMH’s Secret Invasion that hits the hardest for me has always been when Skrull Cap tells Hulk to go back to The Cube, a place it’s been well established Hulk HATES and wants to avoid going back to at all costs. Fuck, they torture him there. It’s probably one of the reasons he stayed on the Avengers, with the protection being a member of the team was supposed to give him. It’s such a big betrayal, especially to me as a giant Hulk fan, and of course Hulk trusts the Skrull when he says they’ll come back for him because as far as he knows he’s CAPTAIN FUCKING AMERICA. And it’s also a brilliant tactical move on the Skrull’s part to get rid of the Avengers’ heaviest hitter, even after the team has splintered. It’s definitely not gonna come to this in the show, but I did want to mention it as it’s such a significant moment in EMH’s adaptation even if it’s not necessarily relevant to this discussion per se.
Also: Having both Cap and Hawkeye alongside 2 other members after the team fractures was a neat callback to Cap’s Kooky Quartet, the second team of Avengers ever in the comics.
It just occurred to me that the "Who do you Trust?" moment in the MCU could be more complicated if there are Skrulls on the human side; so even if you know someone is a Skrull you still don't know if they're an ally or an enemy
That's the only way it would work
Iron Man: Self-described as a futurist, trying to do what's best for the future of humanity, and when presented with the problem of the Skrull invasion, becomes obsessed with solving the problem in unhealthy ways, as Jarvis and Pepper told him.
Wasp: The heart and optimist of the group, she tries to keep it together at all costs because she knows (correctly) that they shouldn't be torn apart by a Skrull invasion, and that the only way to fight them is together. Because of this, she stays in the team even if they are just a "kooky quartet".
Hulk: Throughout the show, people's confidence in the Hulk has been very low, and the other 3 members of the kooky quartet are the most supportive of him throughout the show, especially Cap (which makes his arrest one of the biggest the most heartbreaking moments of the show). So it makes sense that he supports Hawkeye even when it seems obvious that he is the impostor.
Black Panther: Throughout the show, his main interests were always the good of his nation. Of course, he's on the team to show his appreciation to them and to save the world, but in Kang's invasion his duty was to Wakanda, and the same goes here. I feel like it's at this point that the friendship between BP and Hawkeye fragments, as the latter doesn't understand how he can put his friends aside for the good of his nation.
Hawkeye: A very interesting case and somewhat similar to the Hulk (which is why they were instant friends), Hawkeye started out in the series being framed for something he didn't do, being considered a villain even when trying to help, and also being troublesome with why. his personality, as shown by when he rebelled against Fury to attack Hydra. Something I have to say is that the relationship between Cap and Hawkeye is not as strong as it is in the comics, but at least it has been shown on at least 2 occasions that Steve supports Clint, even with his temper. When he begins to be accused by Iron Man and company of being Skrull, he begins to act desperate, mistrusting his team's mistrust and putting them in the situation they ended up in. In the end, the team members who trust him form the quartet.
Ms. Marvel: The case of Carol is interesting since she is the newcomer, and therefore she tries to do what she thinks is best for the team while at the same time trying to carry out orders, but this ends quite badly. It's quite sad to see how Carol is separated from the people she was having a great time with 1 hour ago, but luckily everything improves by the end of the arc.
One thing I really hope for this series is that it matters in the grand scheme of the MCU and has a lasting aftermath. I haven’t watched EMH for a couple of years but I definitely remember something about Cap and maybe the other Avengers struggling to gain the public trust again, we need that sort of impact in the MCU too. This could have really long lasting ramifications throughout phase 5, going into armour wars and maybe even New World Order and Thunderbolts, or it could just be a one and done that we’ll all see as wasted potential, I really hope we get the former
I feel like it's going to imply lasting consequences, but the writers of future projects won't do anything with it outside of mentioning it. The aftermath of the Snap didn't really go anywhere and was wasted opportunity. Also, the Accords are technically still active and yet the MCU doesn't acknowledge it anymore.
@@ToothofaShark honestly that's all they really need to do because just the mentioning of past events from other mcu projects like the snap(which did objectively have a huge impact on future mcu projects since both infinity war and endgame), means that they had a huge ramifications for future projects.
@@iraford5788 not really. Dusting half the earth's population and 5 years later they reappear. That would have huge ramifications to how the world would work from that point forward and how people would act, but the only one that actually addressed it was Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Hawkeye (kinda). The rest mention it and go back to the status quo of the world as if it didn't happen. The Leftovers did this concept way better in how society and people changed in many ways when 5% of earth's population disappeared.
@@ToothofaShark it still did have big ramifications as there are still current plot points being made about the snap going forward in future mcu projects , and you saying it doesn't have a huge impact in the aftermath of endgame is simply your opinion (which is obviously in the minority).
@@iraford5788 could you please explain what the current plot points that revolve around the snap are and how they still have major ramifications because you're saying that it has major ramifications because it just does.
And one movie they can gain inspiration from about who can you trust and who you cannot trust is, John Carpenter's The Thing. Because that movie nailed it.
In terms of atmosphere, definitely. But the settings are wildly different here: claustrophobic, isolated research station vs. globetrotting spy thriller.
@@benwasserman8223 yep I understand what you're saying.
Avengers EMH did such a great job at introducing the skrulls, I was paranoid of everybody in my life.
No one gonna talk about how Hawkeye *outskills an alien species that's supposed to perfectly copy him?*
Clint moment
They can copy his appearance and physical traits. They can't copy his skills.
@@mjolninja9358emh hawkeye moment
The Secret Invasion trailer looks sick, I hope the series is as good or even better than the trailer was
This is crazy. I didn’t even realize this was the story that was being adapted in the much show, so I hadn’t watched it. I grew up on EMH secret invasion though!! This makes me feel so fuzzy and nostalgic, I loved that show.
Secret invasion should be an avengers level event
The worst part of secret invasion in the comics was that tried to present the skulls as this great treat when by that point everyone and their grandma had fought against skulls, and in typical Bendis fashion they supposedly explained that these skulls were better at impersonating just because, no matter there was technology, magic and psychic powers that have exposed them before.
In AEMH the skulls were a new menace and nobody knew how to id one, until (spoiler) Dr. Doom did, and we saw how he did it.
...Coming after Secret Invasion screwed up: So who is gonna tell him?
It’s actually remarkable how close the show has been to the blueprint laid out at this video’s end.
I will definitely look back at this when SI releases , I think it will mostly keep be like how Emh did bucky winter soildr and mcu did
When you were talking about the possibility of Skrull factionalism, I thought about Doctor Who, specifically "Day of the Doctor" and "The Zygon Invasion." The A-plot of "Day of the Doctor," like the MCU adaption of "Captain Marvel," ends in a race of shapeshifters creating a treaty to live in peace among humanity. "The Zygon Invasion" takes place a few years later, and is about the youngsters of that race of shapeshifters, who are... unsatisfied, with only taking human form, and believe that they should be able to live freely as Zygons. And also take over the world. Talos might be similar to Zygon Osgood, in that both are shapeshifters who do everything they can to preserve the peace between their race and humanity.
I like the EMH version of Secret Invasion Storyline, and I'm looking forward for Secret Invasion on Disney+ to see difference between the EMH and the MCU Secret Invasion.
I’ll spare you the watch. MCU secret invasion STUNK. Absolutely STUNK!!!
And here I am, directly from the Doom video.
Lots of good points; I guess I'll never get Warskrulls in live action.....
I did have an interesting take on why the Skrulls are doing this: Security. (rather than the holy crusade they were on in the comics, or just taking over as in EMH)
Assume the Skrulls have been living her as sort of refugees for about 20 years or so, since Captain Marvel. What's happened in that time? Super humans rise up, we get Loki, Ultron, Hydra almost takes over the world, Dark Elves almost remake reality, and then Dormamu almost takes over. And then Thanos. He actually DOES his evil plan, and half of those refugee skrulls, their numbers already drastically reduced, disappear. Sure the Avengers Fixed it, but the also almost lost it all, again.
And then some giant alien shows up? Humanity is playing fast and loose with reality, with powers it can barely understand. They must be controlled, they must slow down this destructive path.
So the Skrulls have a plan. Take over, slow their progress and lead them to a more peaceful path, before they destroy us all.
Then we turn the whole thing into a metaphor for our world, and distrust for authorities and how some people see the only way to save our future is to seize power and force a better future down the rest of our throats. Are the Skrulls a stand in for the Left trying to get the world to attend to social justice and climate change before it all falls apart, or are they the Right trying to get the world to return to the traditional values before society collapses?
Yes
Well, this has aged well.
Spoiler alert: they messed up secret invasion
I loved EMH version of Secret Invasion but I heard that are some people who wished that the whole season were based around it, I don’t know if we would’ve got an even better version but I’m happy with the adaptation regardless
I wished the MCU could make a whole phase about Secret Invasion but all we’re gonna get is a D+ show
I remember when the first avengers movie came out I had no idea who they were, so I watched EMH to get my up to speed. I always wondered if I loved the secret invasion storyline for its own merits or if I was experiencing heavy nostalgia.
I hail from the future. And i can assure you that The Secret Invasion show (mcu) is utter trash. EMH is once again superior ❤
agreed
EMH has always surpassed the MCU same as how DCAU has surpassed the DCEU
The Secret Invasion storyline, like the Civil War comic, was a good idea ruined by bad execution. The MCU has a knack for improving such comicbook arcs.
coming here after MCU's atempt and it sucks balls compared to EMH one
I really enjoyed this breakdown. I hope more is to come.
A great video as usual. Love these comparisons between the animated series and the mcu. I've always felt like the MCU would be better if it was animated for several reasons and you've brought up a few of them in these videos.
I’m not sure if this was actually intentional on the creator’s part, but one detail that I’ve always found to be really clever about EMH’s take on Secret Invasion was having Skrull-Cap be modeled after Cap from the Ultimate comics.
For those not in the know, in the Ultimate Marvel universe, Captain America is portrayed as being….well….kind of the biggest asshole imaginable, as is the case for a good majority of other characters featured in those books. And with that portrayal having drawn a *lot* of criticism over the years, I feel that having Skrull-Cap actually be modeled after the version of the character who was written as nothing but a condescending, antagonistic bully, only to then be beaten down and defeated by the *real* Cap in the arc’s climax was genuinely cathartic.
I'm personally not excited cuz i feel like they won't really deliver with the shocks,they don't have enough characters as the comics where they have a big catalog of who could turn out to be a skrull, unlike the MCU where they don't have the ease to turn any character a skrull...also the show isn't about the Avengers, it's about Nick Fury and his team...so it's not as interesting
Sounds kinda like civil war. Which was more of a house being divided then a full blown civil war between a huge number of supers
Would have been impossible to do a comics accurate secret invasion unless they changed up the whole phase. Besides this is a more refreshing addition to the MCU.
@@sammalone7881 Now say that again.
How did you not talk about the EMH Captain America episode about his capture and escape?! The quintessential Steve Rogers story and an excellent use of all the abducted and replaced characters who might’ve been strangers to us without this episode
I love avengers earth mightiest heroes and there adaptation of secret invasion was freaking fantastic and way better then the comics version which just bad and a complete mess and plus the comics version really ended very anticlimactic and was just stupid but that's just my opinion. As for the secret invasion live action show I am hoping that show does take a lot of notes from Avengers EMH because there version of secret invasion is amazing and fantastic.
The point you raised about a possible storyline surrounding the dangers of paranoia etc. A really good example of that is the episode of Star Trek Deep Space Nine, Paradise Lost. It manages to be a critique of post 9/11 America something like 4 years before 9/11. Startlingly prescient for its time and an excellent example of what you were talking about.
EMH is just perfect. Like thanos says. Perfectly balanced
In all honesty I preferred EMH to the 616 comic. We know who the players are and there are fewer red herrings that the story throws in to further confuse the audience.
What made secret invasion so fun was having to guess what heroes were who they said they were or not. Let’s hope they spend a bit of money and get some avengers in for short scenes or multiple episodes. I get it’s a tv show but I’d rather have Sam Wilson as a skrull than nick fury for the 10th time.
They already messed it up the moment they decided to adapt Secret Invasion before even establishing the Fantastic Four
One BIG THING alot of people are forgetting is, that this show is supposed to take place during the Blip, so alot of cameos are possible, but wrong ones could mess up continuity
Ummm wasn’t Nick Fury dusted
@@angryh9392 it was confirmed he wasn't actually dusted, that it was a skrull not him, which doesn't make since why it would have Captain Marvel's pager, but then again it's Talos. So he does know her personally
@@epicthrowback345 bro the series is taking place after the Blip. Both Nick Fury and Talos are alive and are the main characters of the show.
Here's a thought, what if Secret Invasion ends up working as the setup instead of the full narrative? We start with that to provide narrative irony moving forward, get some buildup in later projects (The Marvels seems like a good pick), and bring it all to a head in Secret Wars. I know the comic story of Secret Wars had nothing to do with Skrulls, but with the naming parallels happening I could see the MCU diverting from adding yet another major event (minus significant buildup) if it means bringing the Secret Invasion narrative together
I've been rewatching this series, and holy cow, not just the Secret Invasion, but the whole show had many different arcs woven together across both seasons that all paid off in some way. Secret Invasion itself was built up ever since season 1, and there were plenty of other plot threads that felt like each and every episode mattered in the larger scheme and not just filler. The writing for the show is still underrated, and I'd go as far as saying that if Batman The Animated Series is a masterwork in character driven storytelling, Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes is the same way but for bigger picture narratives.
Anyone noticed that one the Super Skrulls had Blackbolt's body despite never appearing in the show? 😵
It was implied that most of the superhumans from the comics existed in the EMH universe--there were a bunch of faces on Fury's wall as he was figuring out who was a skrull and who wasn't, for example.
I love the fact that Pillar of Garbage (whose content I think can be deep and insightful at times) does videos regarding EMH. It's such a disappointment that they didn't make more of EMH and it was decided later to make Avengers Assemble (which is inferior in every way).
The Skrulls Are Due on Maple Street.
One problem the MCU is going to run into is that the timeline of events is so desynced with the comics where these stories originated from. The original Avengers are either dead or retired, and by virtue of using live actors these people don't want to play these roles forever, nor can they. Yes, you can switch out actors, but doing it too much breaks the immersion of the live action media being consumed. You also can't play loose with the timeline or reboot the universe like you can in comic books, so these events are going to run into conflict with one another.
On another point, the MCU is just getting too big and convoluted now. Secret Invasion is something that should be a world changing, but it's being done in a television show. If said show doesn't effect the larger canon it will make the world feel connected in name only. If the show does effect the larger canon it basically makes it impossible for casual viewers to understand it all and have an investment in everything.
Honestly a really cool version of this could lean so heavily into the paranoia aspect to the point there is no invasion. Where Skulls are infiltrating at the start, but only because of mind-control. Someone else wants to plant doubt and watch the world burn. Anyone could be a Skrull the only secret is that no one is a Skrull.
And now we know like most everything, EMH did it right!
As a jew i love secret invasion. however, i will say that while the allusion made by invasion of the body snatchers and other similar media to real life events was specifically related to communism, often times communism was just a pretense for hatred and fear of jews.
MCU need to take a teach from Avengers EMH secret invasion who si more faithfull
deep down we all know it's going to suck because marvel is full of hack writers and disney refuses to hire anyone who isn't an idiot
Werewolf by Night was pretty good, though.
People should know by now that adaptation that's a hard thing to pull off. Some can do it many can't.
What elements of The Spectacular Spider-Man do you think Marvel could have adapted for the MCU?
Weirdly enough Spider-Man Homecoming had a lot of (unintentional?) inspiration from Spectacular Spider-Man, with Vulture being the first super-villain Peter fights, Montana being Shocker (still wish that the rest of the Enforcers were in Homecoming), and Liz Allan being the initial love interest, though that last one is most likely a coincidence.
@@MTV2O2O One thing I wanted was for Gwen and Harry to be introduced in the movie and introduced as Peter's best friends like they are in The Spectacular Spider-Man. Too bad that didn't happen, but at least we have Ned and MJ.
Not sure how you're going to compare secret wars between the two shows since one isn't out yet, but I'll find out later
Damage control has got some skrulls in it for sure. Either that lady agent from Ms Marvel or that guy from No Way Home
My main concern is that this is a self-contained show, so the stakes might not feel as weighty as they should. I think it should've been integrated into the movies and built up over several years
I think Fury should take the part of Tony in emh. Talos taking Fury rodey taking cap and hill taking the role of mocking bird. Not a one to recreation but with different characters but a similar type of role
Undre siege : the first part of avengers emh S4
1/Old friend , old enemy :
The Mandarin sends the swordsman Hawkeye's mentor in the past to set up a bomb 💥 on the mansion with atlas who attempts to steal Pymparticals. meanwhile, kate bishop was training with Clint.
2/under siege :
A new world order led by Dr. Doom convinced the greatest super-villains on earth 🌐 (mandarin. Magneto!!!!, Ultron, red skull, kang immortus, red hulk, Zemo, and many others...) to eliminate the heroes and destroy their headquarters by forcing each of them to battle against an unusual villain. Jennifer Walters the cousin of Bruce banner was in the mansion when the attack happened.
3/mad thinkers :
meanwhile Thor on the new Asgard faces a mysterious warrior called Hercules to see if he is strong enough hhhhhh also a group of mad scientists called Intelegencia (doom, leader, modoc, Zola, red ghost, wizard,.mad thinker, Zombo) they want to stol the vibranium by invading Wakanda.t chala is alone.
4/seige:
red Skull and Hydra are doing a siege on new Asgard only Thor, Hercul,es, and the asguardians stand against this invasion.
5/mastermind Ultron :
Ultron in an attempt to restore Vision's mind, Jocasta turns her back on him after Vision convinces her to free the Avengers. Jocasta and the Avengers face Ultron and the sentinals programme controlled by him.
6/ heroes are back :
the avengers scattered the world to free heroes facilities (Baxter building, x mainsion!!, genosha!!!, sword , wakos mansion, stark tower, avengers mansion ). Ester eggs : sanctum Santorum, heroes for hire, spider man.
7/the ten rings :
The Avengers travels to China 🇨🇳 fighting the Mandarin and the Ultimos guardians to free iron man. A mysterious man called Shang-chi saw what happen on the news in the post-credit scene .
8/armor wars :
iron Man began an armored war all over the world with rhody aka iron patriot to restore his tech from a long list of criminals working for doom ( beetle, crimson dynamo, titanium man, dark hawk ...ext) .
9/atlantis attack :
atlantis attacked the surface with armies, a group of heroes goes to investigate deep down in the ocean with the help of stingrey's agent of sheild only to find Namor under mind control by the intelegencia and Attuma the guy who wants to rule Atlantis and sink the world's coasts in return the secrets of Atlantis will be in the hands of intelegencia. (the Atlantian mystical scepter ).
10/royal kingdom :
the inhuman crystal contact the Avengers for help to free attilan and the royal family from Maximus who used the same mind controlling tecknologie like what happened to Atlantis.
11/time for redemption :
the avengers head to the new Asgard and wakanda for redemption to free Thor, hercules and the asguardians from hydra and t chaos from intelegencia .
12/mysterious- she :
the Avengers located the operating base of the intilegansia in the savage land they will meet k-sar the protector of the jungle !!! The avengers will face the villains and the Hulk will battle against the red hulk and a female green version of him .enter the she-Hulk.
13/doom's day :
all the heroes strike latveria to stop Doom and frees the FF and the black panther but now he's even powerful with stark's teck and vibrinuim weapons 🔪. But is that it for doom or their is something in the future!!!!!?
Infinity quest : the second part of avengers emh s4 .
14/The silver serfer :
A cosmic being called the silver serfer came to Earth to free his master Galactus from the negative zone and he believes that Galactus needs to be alive for the sake of the universe .
15/korvac saga part 1 :
Cap marv-ell contacts ms- marvel and the Avengers to stop the war between Michael korvac and Ronan ego wants to destroy the kree empire for revenge .
16/ korvac saga part 2 :
the kaorvac saga continue on hala, the guardians of the galaxy join the avengers to put an end for korvac for good 🌟 .
17/ego :
ego the leaving planet 🌚 is under attack by Galactus, the mantis sends a rescue massage to the guardians to save the planet, what happened next to our heroes?
18/contest of champions :
the grandmaster show up to the Avengers and the gotg to starts a contest of champions to kidnap Adam worlok and his soul gem to destroy the universe by killing Galactus after what he did to ego and build a new one . ( Some avengers and gotg vs squadron supreme ).
19/the collection :
the avengers and the Guardians scattered across the universe to collect the remaining gems before the grandmaster. heading to the collector and they play his game for the space gem .
20/sheir-empire :
other group head to ancient civilization called the sheir-empire to investigate about the gems only to find more trubles.
21/crosse the stars :
meanwhile other group meets with mysterious groupe pusose the mind gem (Drax, moon dragon, star fox , pit the Troll).
22/molecule fraction :
the heroes faces the molecule man in space 🌌 to win the power gem .
23/magus conflict :
a dark version of Adam warlok sent by the grand master to attacks the heroes.
24/beyond things :
a cosmic being called the Beyonder reaches out to the heroes testing their powers if they worthy of battling the upcoming coming war, in the end they will win a cosmic threat level weapon location.
(the cosmic beings in the universe ester eggs ).
25/the inhilation part 1:
the elders of the universe pusose the ( time, reality, soul gems). And strike Galactus. Some heroes stay to fight the elders of the universe with their new gem's powers and others go to search for this cosmic weapon.
26/the inhilation part 2 :
the fate of the universe in the hands of the heroes. The hulk is bunished to sakar. The heroes are defeated, even with this cosmic weapon 🔪 are they going to win.
Planet hulk, thanos ester eggs.
I think a big part of the story is going to be the Younger Brood that were born after Captain Marvel's events hitting back after the Kree took advantage of the chaos of the Blip while Carol was occupied with fighting threats across the universe on her own. I think we MIGHT get the creation of the Super Skrull which may introduce either the whole of the Fantastic Four or maybe a small cameo of someone like Doctor Doom or Sue Storm to call back to the first appearance of the Super Skrull in the comics, but the odds on that happening are probably not as great as you'd think. We might get a small bit of The Leader manipulating the Skrulls going into New World Order, maybe a bit of Harrison Ford, and if the arcs of phase 5 and 6 weren't already fully set up, we could get Dark Reign with Norman Osborn finally being introduced in the Spider-Man Freshman Year show
MCU secret invasion won't be as good as AEMH secret invasion I just know it I hope marvel studios brings back avengers Earth's mightiest hero's for more seasons with the same creative team that worked on the first 2 seasons just like how their bringing back the 90s X-men show
Make a video about Werewolf by night it's right around the corner!!!
Secret invasion should effect every single character on earth. Every team, every hero, every villain, all of them are effected te d by this and must work together
EMH's adaptation of this event was really great
Thank You SO BLOODY MUCH for mentioning that agents of shield s4 scene. Because it completely showcases the core of what the secret invasion should be. The TENSION that scene has is completely extreme. Watching how fitz's work on the lmd program is basically the cause of the whole infiltration, it's personal and painful for everyone, and they even didnt just do that, because the framework arc started right away and blown our heads up even more. The potential Secret Invasion has is amazing, it can elevate the mcu's storytelling to a whole other level and kickoff a completely new status quo and give us something truly unique. I really do hope they don't miss this opportunity (and for god' sake, bring back Quake, or coulson, or mention Fitzsimmons, or May, or mack, or the kree in any capacity, etc because itd be a huge miss if they didnt give use of any of the amazing things the agents of shield series presented on it's complete run)
Great video as always.
Deadpool played a huge role in the Secret Invasion in the comics. It’d be cool if that were the case for the MCU saga also.
I wish marvel would do actual adaptions of comics. Most of the time it's the comic title but nowhere near what we wanna see
I'd love to see a J Jonah Skrullison in the MCU
Well.... they found a way to mess it up royally
With how the MCU is set up, I would set this up as Fury and the Skrulls taking over political leaders and other volatile people to maintain world peace in the face of galactic threats, but Val's group exposes it as an invasion. Fury was all for Hydra's death fliers before it was shown as Hydra, he'd totally do this, and the "villains" exposing it is an interesting way to go.
For the last time, Hogwarts Legacy is not anti-Semitic. That is an over analyzation based off the way that Goblins look in the books and movies, which has simply bleed into this game cause they look alike. Does the wizarding world have issues, yes, is this one of them, I don't think so. If anyone has other thoughts on this, can we please have a civil discussion, rather than blind rage.
This show should be a movie
While I agree with the video, I still can't believe you left out Doom being one of the main reasons the Skrulls were defeated, he did out of pure spite for them trying to conquer and succeed (also to rub in on Reed face that he wasn't smart enough to figure it out)
I actually stayed away from that because when I mentioned Doom’s role in the skrull threat in a previous video, there was a lot of disagreement in the comments if Doom himself was actually a skrull - and I didn’t want to reignite that disagreement!
I love the idea of showing good skrulls vs bad skrulls, that could be a very good way of repressenting the real World too, not every person from this country with terrorist’s is an actuall terrorist, but at the same time most Marvel shows have been pretty disapointing so fare, so my expectations isent relly that High, i mostly hope its not gonna be a major flop.
I had no right to be this enthusiastic to finally hear a sponsored ad! First time I've never skipped forward. Bravo Garbage, bravo.
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In my opinion though I think they already kind of messed things up as it is with the Skrulls.
They were always in the Comic Books were quite tyrannical and always trying to do some shady stuff.
Knowing that it made secret invasion very entertaining and interesting. But in the MCU, they basically turn the Skrulls into a group of refugees who were on the run from the Kree.
And then at the end of Spider-Man far from home…. It hinted that Nick fury has given the Skrulls, A purpose as part of a type of S.W.O.R.D organization. But I have them just abruptly decided they want to take over the earth seemed kind of out of place now. But I have been thinking about it..if the Skrulls are anything like humans, not all of them may want peace and tranquility. I mean they were kind of subjugated and killed off by the Kree. So it’s understandable that there might be some bad blood with them and they may feel like they deserve more than just being refugees at this point. I mean basically one of the reasons why Skrulls Conquer planets like earth is because they believe that they are clandestine and deserve it more so than the original inhabitants. So now that they are refugees who have to keep running from planet planet they may feel like earth is too good for the humans and may want to try to take it over. But if that’s the case then there has to be Krulls Who are not on board with the idea and may be trying to help to prevent invasion. Like most races, not every Skrull is bad.
In the original story there was one that was a sleeper agent who had to be on earth for a long time and take on a secret identity so he married a human woman and basically became an adopted father to her son. The problem is that he played the part for so long that eventually he could no longer go back to being who he was. I mean he knew he was a Skrull, The problem is he generally did fall in love with the woman he married and grew to love her son as well. So when it came time for the final invasion he could not do it. Him and a lot of other Skrull who are in the same situation or branded as traders and could not go back to the empire. But surprisingly a lot of them didn’t really care because to them they basically had a family and a planet to live on. That being said though I don’t think they were prepared for the witch hunts that came from Secret invasion. So in the end the same thing could happen to any of the good will Skrulls.
Hey have you seen that black panther show that only had 1 season is it worth watching I'm just wondering
Not yet!
I don’t know what the Doctor from Star Trek:Voyager is gonna do to help defeat the Skrulls but you never know
Im dreading this show, the key ingredient to making Secret Invasion work is scale... And the MCU just doesnt have that🤷♂️
Seriously, the fact that anyone thinks a plot about a movie is any shape or forms of "problematic", shows how comfortable and easy the lives of people are, that they need to find problems in everything.
I think it’s to do with the fact that more people are getting savvy about the ways cultural products internet with social and political systems more widely. It isn’t just ‘this thing is bad’, it’s ‘this thing may be contributing to harmful parts of our society, and even if we can still enjoy the thing.. it’s better to be aware of its problems than to be ignorant of them’
@@PillarofGarbage dude, the original writer of secret invasion is jewish, it's hard to imagin that antisemitism is what went in his head while writing this. If people, instead of getting angry, would just fact check themselves, we won't ear of duch dumb claims
7:02 Oh hey, Jennifer Hale... Fancy seeing FemShep's VA in the same show as Master Chief's VA and it's only now that I realize it.
Great commentary as always! Greetings from Brazil!
Obrigado Daniel!
Thoughtful video, thanks
As a big shapeshifter fan, I’m looking forward to seeing more Skrull development
Man... it probably wouldn't suit the show but I would *love* to hear Sam Jackson say "Yea? Well, my god has a hammer!".
or maybe it is Earth 616 that need the help of the scrulls skills in order to win an even bigger conflict on a larger scale
EMH really had a lot of smart characters toeing the line between uncovering the plot and paranoia, it was grear
I reckon the show looks like it will be pretty good.
You should do some more Spectacular Spider-Man videos since the show is coming to Disney Plus soon. It might help reinvigorate some interest in the series and maybe get a renewal. I know that's a long shot but we can still show our appreciation for the show and how well it was made. (If you wanted to do another playlist, I'm sure I could pull something together on how that version of Venom works over other adaptations...)
imo its decent but definitely not as good as it could of been from the 5 that are out rn
Maybe the best way to make this feel like it has weight would be to make Fury the Skrull. Have the protagonists reverse and suddenly Maria Hill and a few other characters are fighting an up hill battle against a Skull Invasion that has already thoroughly captured SWORD’s infrastructure.
Very interesting! Not entirely sure the MCU would commit to an idea this bold, though.
@@PillarofGarbage The main thing that makes be wish this is true is is that it will mean that Feige has serious hiding in plain sight energy because he literally showed Fury on a space station in Charge of a legion of Skrulls back in Spider-Man Far from Home.
Oof I think they did mess it up...
Secret Invasion is already going to be on a smaller scale if set from Fury’s perspective. Not that it’ll be bad, but I already expect more focus on the character than the plot itself.
This definitely could have used some Secret Avengers foreshadowing, another superhero or two’s experience alongside Fury and the Invasion.
i personally think the skrulls will be a form of red herring and it will be humans using skrull technology/dna to not only use it for their profit but also to cover their tracks by frsaming skrulls
Skrullven Rogers
The biggest fly in the ointment is that they made the Skrull harmless refugees who are fighting for a home, rather than egotistical body snatchers that they were in the comics and EMH.