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The BRIGHTEST light pods you can buy: Baja Designs LP6 VS Diode Dynamics SS5
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Hey all! Today, we will be comparing two of the most POWERFUL light pods that your money can buy, the Baja Designs LP6 Pro against the new Diode Dynamics SS5 Pro. For the purposes of this experiment, I am only measuring the light intensity at the hotspot of each light. This is not a measurement of total light output although I imagine the results would be very similar.
BTW: I realized that the Five Inch Amazon light pod was actually a 4.5" Light pod! The link for it is below.
Both companies have a lot of high quality light pods besides the two shown in this video. Please keep in mind that these lights are intended for offroad use only. Both companies do have an SAE approved fog beam pattern 3” light pod if you are interested in keeping it street legal.
00:00 Intro
01:09 Brand Introduction
01:37 Power
02:38 Size
03:32 Pricing
04:10 Optics (Reflector versus TIR)
06:03 Beam Patterns
06:48 Build Quality
07:04 Heat Sinks
07:35 Interchangeable Lenses
08:02 Backlighting
09:21 Light Output Test
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If I may add, both are U.S. made lights. I'm a production tech at diode and I tend to see alot of people say that we are a chinese company. If anyone is curious you can find us in St. Charles Missouri.
Yeah U.S. assembled but the parts are still made in China. The Baja Designs have a lifetime warranty and yours is 8 years. If I'm going to spend similar money I'm going for the lifetime warranty
you guys don't make any parts in the USA....ROFL.
@@proofpositive2379 they do, actually, minus some parts that literally no one in the country makes. People seem to forget that for many electronic items, there is not a single American manufacturer. If you care, go start one.
@@f1point2 Your statement just proves that they don't make anything in America, if they are out sourcing parts from China. FYI, i don't have a problem where parts originates from, I"m just pointing out an obvious lie that DD fanboys like to harp about.
@@proofpositive2379 tell me you don't know anything about manufacturing without telling me you know nothing about manufacturing.
Not sure if it was stated in the video but one thing to consider is the lights will decrease output. For example, our local lighting engineer has been testing pod lights after 20 minutes for heat soak measurements (ie. Foglights).
Diode Dynamics have been producing some solid products lately and I can't wait for their upcoming offerings.
Thanks for the video!
Ya that’s a great point! I had someone dm me on IG saying that their Baja lost a lot of output after being on for a while. I haven’t tested it so it would be an interesting comparison to see how much it applies to both lighting companies
i’d take the baja designs over the diode dynamics, for a few reasons. 1 is color tempature, the 5000K for the baja has a lot less eye fatigue when riding a long time. 2 also thought it doesn’t go as far the bleed of light going to the sides is actually important, especially off-roading or racing in my can am. 3 proven and tested. baja designs has been at the front of baja 1000 trucks for years and years and the conditions are second maybe only to the dakar rally.
i love the distance on the DD that’s one thing i’ve always liked about them but the other factors kinda make me lean to BD more, but it also applies to situation more, if you’re on the road a lot or traveling by car and need light at times where it’s super dark i’m sure they’d both do you good at that point
Thanks for doing this comparison! The Diode Dynamics SS5 Sport with spot optics will produce higher beam intensity than the Pro version: “NOTE: The Pro Spot uses a larger LED emitter, which spreads the light output into a 20-degree pattern. Although the Pro has much more raw output, the larger beam pattern results in slightly lower total intensity.” (straight from their website). I just got a pair of SS5 Sports with spot optics and another pair with the combo. Both seem to put out a more intense beam compared to the Pro. But if you get the driving and flood optics, the tables are turned, and the Pro model really outshines, pardon the pun, the Sport model.
I'm looking for a spot pattern light and from what your saying I would be happier with the sport over the pro SS5?
@@joshadam7429 I think it depends what your needs/wants are. If you're looking for the most distance then the sport SS5's are going to be superior to the pro SS5's. The pro's have a 20° pattern vs the sport 15° pattern which equates to a difference of 321.44 feet of distance at 1 lux and 623.2 feet of distance at .25 lux. Even the BD XL racer with a 6° pattern only has 358,731 cd at 40w vs the SS5 sport 15° spot has 406,000 cd at 40w.
The only lights that provide more distance are the vision x 6.7 and 8.7 cg2 single chip light cannon (10° spot), vision x 8.7 ADV cannon (unsure of beam pattern) and the morimoto big banger HXB spot which has 535,000 cd. I'm unsure of its beam pattern as well.
I had 4 vision x knock off 4.7" single chip 25w light cannons that used genuine top bin luminous led chips and they were fantastic for distance. They had a 10° pattern and easily put light past 1000' which I measured and also had more than enough width for my need. I now have 4 SS5 sports in spot and they by far surpass those lights. So much so that I angled the two on the outside out a bit to spread the light out more as they just shine that far. The 15° pattern gets quite tall when it's 1500 feet out so a 20° pattern spot would only waste that light even more. If they had a 10° pattern I probably would've went that route but honestly the 15° patten shines so far, it's ridiculous! So it's nice to get a bit more width than the 10° pattern I came from.
Diode Dynamics is coming out with an SS5 Max laser that will utilize 6 osram HX Boost chips and 3 laser chips that is supposed to produce over 500,000 cd from one SS5. That will be one crazy light I think! The sports at 406,000 cd absolutely blow me away already but there are a lot of great options out there.
Wasn't expecting the Diode dynamics to have more lux at 100 feet wow and for the price that is a sweet light
Great comparison! The selectable backlight on the SS5 is a game-changer.
Great review! Very clear and data driven. I’ve been very interested in the SS5 since it came out. I love my LP9s. They were ground breaking when they first came out. But the LP9 look has gotten too main stream in recent years. So I’m thinking getting a triple SS5 linked light bar
I think it’s still very good! I realized that I missed some points but the bajas have a slightly warmer tone which is visible in the footage and it also has a more even pattern in the areas where the light is spilling. I guess it comes down to personal preference
@@SnowboundCustoms ah yes, I do like the 5000K color temp of Baja designs. Diode Dynamics and most others are 6000K which is too sharp to my liking
@@TinkerersAdventure diode actually uses a warmer LED in the yellow pods along with the yellow lenses. It is possible to buy a yellow pod and then swap a clear lens on to achieve a warmer tone
But to use it as a headlight which a lot of people are doing lately on a Harley the LP6 will fit and work as a main light versus aux light correct?
Thank You for the technical information. I will get with my tech and figure out the mounting options for the Diode Dynamics.
Love Diode Dynamic lamps, my neighbor has a pair of SS3 Max yellow fog lamps on his Forester and It lights up extremely well. Focus beam, seriously it could be a wide driving lamp. He's getting 4 SS5 for his roof rack next summer. Don't know why because the SS3 Max are bright enough 😂
Guess he has money to waste.
I'm getting a pair of SS3 Max yellow fog also soon before winter comes. Yellow is so much better during rain and snow fall.
Baja designs are sweet reliable brand life time warranty & they’re literally the king of dessert racing lights
I'm glad that you're alive 🍻
Great review!! If I may make a suggestion, do another lux test and amperage draw test on initial start up and after the lights are on for at least 30min. This will show the output once the temperature is stabilized. I have seen a handful of Baja Desgins lights decrease output by close to 50% once stabilized.
Great suggestion! I will try to do that and will post back here if I get around to doing this.
Would good airflow for cooling help improve this?
@@ryananderson6321 within reason yes. But traveling at lower speeds won’t help much. Mounting location is always a challenge as well. Most are in a bumper or behind a grill to avoid damage, cleaner look and theft. If mounted on the outside like a bumper it will help a lot with heat dissipation! There are so many factors though when it comes to light mounting and orientation.
@@cpftank09 totally! I am getting an lp6 (driving, obviously) for my Indian Challenger now as we speak. For sure beats anything that is available at the moment and likely to be that way for a while. Hopefully, won't have big decrease on output like you mentioned
DD is generally pretty good with heat management because they tend to under drive their LED's For example the SS3 Max (4 LED's) and the Morimoto 4banger hxb (3LED''s) provide about the same amount of light upon startup even though they are using the same exact LED's. If you look at the specs you can see DD running lower power to each LED
I like the Back light feature on the Diode dynamic a bit more to match your rig color
I own the LP6s (combo lens) and DD SS3 fogs. My wife had DD SS3 spots and we just swapped them for the BD OnX6+ and got DD fogs. DD is better on road, BD is better off road. More light spill on the LP6 gives you better peripheral and around corners and the color temp is WAY easier on the eyes at night than DD. DD has a better cut-off, so you're not blinding oncoming cars (fogs), but put a slight curve in the road (with the spots) and your hotspot isn't where you want it. Also, DD Max fogs are too bright and you actually lose a little distance because of how your eyes adjust to the light. More isn't always better, so I swapped the Max for the Pro.
Good point! I’ve heard some arguments that more light spill in the foreground makes it harder to see farther down the road but I haven’t actually tested it.
In regards to curves in the road, this was just a test of the most intense lights using a spot beam. One thing to note is that Baja designs only has a combo and spot pattern for the LP6. The combo just changes two of the spot LEDS into a flood. On the other hand, the SS5 has a “driving beam” pattern. It’s twice as wide as a spot beam which I find to put light in a much more useful area.
Good to know Scott. Had a similar question regarding the SS3 amber fogs in Max vs. Pro, and your experience has me leaning toward Pro's as well.
@@CliffdropChad Headlight Revolution just did a video on heat and loss of brightness with several brands of LED pods. Long story short: Lots of heat and brightness lost by the most powerful pods and little or no brightness lost with the less powerful. apparently my DD pros are the same as the sports after 60 mins 🤷♂🤷♂
The SS3s actually failed SAE standard for cutoff( with out repositioning) but nothing completely bad like BD SAE where it completely failed at every position
But they are the widest and second brightest in the "SAE" 3in pod category
@@PghMtbRides I had no idea. Thanks for the clarification there.
I would like to see the ss5 while driving and a sport vs pro version is this possible
Would love if you’d added KC flex era 4 to the comparison.. great vid though 👍🏼
So what about the rigid active xp light? How would that stack up to the baja designs?
Great video! I would love to see more lighting comparisons. Very entertaining.
Diode dynamic for size for the win and the optics for me
Great review video I almost had me searching on Amazon for the $20 lights LOL. Seriously though when looking for my first lighting upgrade I looked at both Baja and Diode Dynamics and price made me get the SS3 SAE Pro fogs. I was so impressed with the SS3 that I also got their Stage Series amber 42" light bar for my roof rack, SS2 white chase lights that double as a red running lights and preordered their rock light kit. The reason I watched this video is because I was thinking of running SS5's behind my 4 Runners grill versus A light bar. Both Baja Designs and Diode Dynamics make awesome products but for me Diode Dynamics lower price with great quality and an 8 year warranty made it an easy choice.
Great review! Thank you for taking the time and being so thorough.
The Baja has a much more even beam pattern. I'd pick that over slightly more light. One thing you didn't test is their light output after 20 minutes. Cheap LEDs lose a lot of their brightness as they get hot.
From what I read online the Bajas have a considerable wattage drop the longer the run. I can’t remember what I saw about the diode lights doing the same. But yes I should’ve tested that too
Those DD lights are no joke, they are the best hands down!
As good as the ss5 maybe, I’d prefer the lp6’s lens construct because it can literally shine lights backwards, the spread of light seems to be better on the lp6.
What’s it mean to shine lights backward?
@@davidb9323 more than 180° beam pattern with the "side shooters"
Noticed this while watching that is a plus for Diode, cant get fingerprints in the inside of the lense and then scratches later from cleaning. You could just blow the dust from the TIR lense sitting out or from usage.
Great video! I'm definitely looking at both of these lights for daily, I would say that lights don't push out Watts they consume Watts , I know what you're saying but the ideal light would produce the most Lux while consuming the least amount of Watts possible
I really hope that didn't sound condescending it all because you did an excellent job on this video
@@96ej you are very right. I’d say both lights put out the same amount of light, just with different patterns and it results in the Baja having a smoother transition but the diode has a brighter hotspot and will shine farther
@@SnowboundCustoms based on your review I'm leaning towards the Baja
Very well done and informative video. I'd like to see you compare the the Baja Designs LP 6 and the KC Era 4 lights!
LP4 is a closer comparison. The FE4 are good lights with terrible harness. Easy enough fix.
The LP6 has a really excellent beam pattern vs the DD though.
KC should make specialty lenses but are more interested in crappy trim colors that fade.
The flex era 4s are nice. Im enjoying mine but they're overpriced. Hugly inflated performance numbers based off my readings, crap warranty, harness sucks although output seems decent, I haven't been able to get my hands on anything comparable to see if they are just as good as say an SS5 that's cheaper.
I wonder how these compare to kc flex 4?
Good question! I think those came out after I filmed this. They’re 80W each so it looks like they pack a big punch
I've ran Baja designs and Diode Dynamics. The Diode Dynamics are much better built, and perform better for less money.
Good Stuff,Great Tips😄👍🏿
Nice. I wud love to see the baja designs lp9pro review too.
Wish you added rigid dually xl pro spot to the comparison. They are a 5" square with similar optics to the dd. Also, the reason for spot lights is long distance, so it would be alot more informative to take the light measurement at 200ish yards. I have the rigid dually xl pro spot on one vehicle, bd lp9 pros on another, 2 pairs of dd ssc2 pro spot on another, a bd 10" onx6 pro on one of my bikes, and a bd xl pro motorcycle headlight on another. In my opinion, the bd's seem to project light further. It may be an optical illusion, because they are a slightly warmer color which reflects less light off of airborne particulates, unfortunately all my lights arent in the same category so its hard to compare them apples to apples
informative video! these two brands are the exact ones i was looking at, thanks! can you do comparisons on the combo and driving patterns?
If I do another comparison it will likely be on my Instagram stories!
Great test and presentation
You should do a review on the rip off lp9s on amazon
First of all, awesome content. Secondly, my opinion on the two is the Baja is better for offloading has the light spill is more useful the precise light patterns. The Diode Dynamic is very usable offroad, but in my opinion is actually too sharp of a beam pattern is better suited for on road uses.
Good point! Just keep in mind that I was only comparing the spot beams here. Both brands also have combo beams, flood and etc. I would agree that light spill is actually helpful Offroad
Love my diode dynamic lights. Great company, awesome service!
Idk what lp6 you are using is it driving combo? or spot
6:03 talks about beam pattern. Both are spot. Baja is a 8° wide spot pattern and the diode is a 20° wide spot beam
The Baja designs definitely puts out more light the diode dynamics for sure but the Diode dynamics has what looks like a cleaner all around spot patern
Id be curious how these stack up against rigid q series.
Or dually XL.
Make sure its the pro version
I have DIODE DYNAMICS SS3 SAE fogs in pro and love them and street legal actually i think its 10 percent loss of light with the DIODE covers .....
What type of led do they use?
One thing, baja designs, lifetime warranty. diode dynamics is 8 year
Good practical presentation
Great review!!
Diode Dynamics are made right here in my hometown of St Louis they make a quality product and I wouldn't think of buying anything else to support my local shop I have visited them everything the wiring harness the lens everything has made by hand
On mu truck have XL80 on pods hood with squadron racer edition.
And on the roof 50' S8.
And on the work truck have installed 7" auxbeam 180w... 4 on the front defense and 6 on the roof.
And wow how is that technology and China has improve on cheaper and the same result.
Curious how the Onyx6 or LP80s stack up
The XL80 has 80W so a little less power than both of these lights which have 90W, but those onX6+ are crazy! 106W for each 10” section. I’d love to use one of those
@@SnowboundCustoms I’ve used them personally, and the Onyx6 and XL80 use the same-ish reflectors/emitters and compare well to each other. Both use much more wattage per diode, which really helps the light throw and brightness. Never used them back to back, but I like the XL80’s light characteristics overall more, especially where you really need these: high speed desert running.
the amazon light looks like its loosing output as it heats up would be interesting to see what the output is after its had time to warm up. also your comparing a 6 diode to a 9 diode it would be more fair to test the LP9 would like to see that against the SS5.
I view it as equally fair because the SS5 is still smaller. Yes the LP6 has 6 LEDs but they also use 15 watt instead of 10 watt LEDs so it’s all the same, just a different way of getting there
Thanks a lot
I thought you were going to give us some sort of price very similar to motorcycles accessory lighting the most popular expensive one is called Clearwater... A pair of those can run you off something like 900 or 1100 ... Ouch..400 is a bargain
Thanks for the info
Don’t own neither but the Baja lights seem to be the overall winner.. more lux does not mean better
What about the LP9? Since the SS5 has 9 LEDs
Good question! I wouldn’t look at it as how many LEDs it has, but rather the power each LED is putting out. The diode dynamics SS5 uses 9 that are 10W each making 90W total while the LP6 uses 6 that are 15W each for 90W total.
I chose the LP6 because it’s fairly similar in size to the SS5 but the LP6 is still a bit bigger by about 1.5”.
The LP9 seemed like too large of a size difference but I do want to compare it in the future. Since the LP9 Pro is 105W compared to the LP6 Pro at 90W, I would expect a 16% brighter hotspot. This is still slightly less than the SS5 Pro at the hotspot but might have more overall total light output due to light spill.
@@SnowboundCustoms I was hoping you would do a straight up LP9 Pro vs SS5 Pro video. Why not. They are both their company's premier pod, so go for it! Or heck, even LP9 Racer Edition vs SS5 Pro Spot.
watts is juice used. output is in lumens.
so please correct this.,
Enlightening. But probably too enlightening for the person behind the camera.
The diode dynamics ridges of light is just poor reflectors compared to the bajadesigns
The dynamics lights in background mode red or blue could buy you a heap of trouble with the cops 👮♂️
11:15 to see what you actually came here to see.
I just need something to augment my OEM halogen high beams on my Ram, those Amazon lights might be just the ticket.
Novsight SAE fogs work well
Or driving light for highbeam
Amazon work lamps arent gonna do anything usefull for you at highway speeds.
Hot spot on both is massively bright.i can’t even see the tree trunk.
That mostly had to do with my exposure settings. I locked it in after testing the Amazon light and these were very bright in comparison. In real life I could see the tree trunk just fine
Did you use the high or low beam mode on the Baja design light?
High beam
@@SnowboundCustoms definitely better light output on the diode light for sure, you could see it in the video pretty easy. I like that you can change the lenses out on the Baja which definitely gives it the edge for me and the BD looks WAY better. I know function should trump looks but form also plays a role. Great review!! Loved it!
@@TheMathewsman actually the lenses can be removed on both lights. I did it on both and it was about the same easiness factor for each
@@TheMathewsman there is a section in the video where I covered that!
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Did you ever end up using that LP6 if not you wanna donate it lol
I still got it and I need to sell it haha. Dm me on Instagram if you want it
@@SnowboundCustoms are you opened to taking payments on it? I cant afford one but I’ve been trying to get one for my Harley Davidson Dyna I daily my bike and I have issues with people seeing me and cutting me off so I’m hoping that the LP6 would let me be seen to drivers.
Both epic lights for sure but nowhere near "the brightest"
You know Baja LP9s exist right? And there's probably a dozen companies around the world that do even bigger brighter lights. If you're just going off power levels the Livid Hyperdrive Mk2 I have on my car are also 90w but brighter than both of those (and bigger) and they are very low power lights compared to others here in Australia
Yes I know the LP9 exists. I believe I mentioned it in the video but I chose the LP6 because they are the closest competitors in the 5” pod size market and they are both 90 forward facing watts.
I’ve never heard of the Livid Hyperdrive MK2 but it looks like that’s a 9” light pod delivering 80w from a quick search. I don’t view bigger as better. A light that can produce more power in a compact size is always a win in my book.
@@SnowboundCustoms the title of your video is "the BRIGHTEST light pods you can buy" and that's simply not true, I'm sick of all this blatantly false click bait on RUclips, it's just as bad as the Amazon sellers lying about their specs to get more sales
@@MinimaDomum it’s really not a lie at all. That’s just how RUclips algorithms work and I’m playing the game given to me. There are plenty of lights brighter than the ones you mentioned as well. I could stick a 50kW stadium light on my my car, but it’s outside of the category in testing. Within the category I’m testing, I do believe these are the brightest unless you can show me another pod in this general size that performs better
@@SnowboundCustomsyou said "the brightest light pods you can buy" which is not true at all, if you put it into context and say "brightest under 7" then the Ultra Vision Nitro 80 Maxx is brighter, if you you say "brightest under 110w" then there are plenty of brighter ones, if you say "the brightest american made between 5" and 6.5" then you might be close lol
@@MinimaDomum i mean it does list the exact lights I used in the title. I’m also based in the USA and have never heard of those lights since those aren’t on our market. Again you listed a light that is much larger (7.1” compared to 5-6”) and lower on power being only 80watts.
It would be a little silly if every video on RUclips had to put “American made” or “Australian made” disclaimers in every title. 90% of my audience watching from recommend is from the United States so I apologize if RUclips recommended my American made video to you
Neither, morimoto big banger...and pretty sure diode dynamics, are only USA assembled... other way, still quality
I don’t think so. It’s down on power being only 77W versus 90W. I also had a lot of issues with their selective comparisons. In their YT video, they compared the Big Banger Combo pattern to the SS5 combo pattern but it was clear that neither of these patterns were similar. To have a fair comparison they would’ve compared it to the SS5 driving beam pattern.
I’ve also come to decide that light spill can be quite beneficial. The bajas have a lot of spill, the diodes has some spill, and morimoto has almost no spill in their new lights. The lack of light spill can cause really weird gradients that don’t work in the real world. Creating a tighter and tighter beam pattern is just a marketing technique so these companies can flex the highest intensity numbers but in reality it isn’t so useful. Since Bajas lights have a ton of spill, they are incredibly easy on the eyes in an off-road environment. Same with the SS5 Pros because of the larger emitter, but I wouldn’t get the SS5 sport because it lacks in light spill
@@SnowboundCustoms yeah, your right, it's just the 4 banger stuff thats beats the comp in SAE atleast
@@PghMtbRides oh ya I saw that! SAE is where it’s really useful. The bajas are garbage in that department because of the spill so we’ll have to see if they improved with their new pod being released next month. I’m also curious as to how the new laser max fog from diode will compare with morimotos SAE light
@@SnowboundCustoms my guess is more lux/candella at the hot spot and still fail SAE with out repositioning.
Ps love my baja S1 wide ambers for 2 in pods
@@PghMtbRides Do you prefer the 4banger max sae vs DD ss3 max sae?
and rigid industries? you claim that baja are top
DD is made in China.
BD is made in USA
I’m sure BD will last longer and is built better.
I work at Diode, I literally make the whole stage series line up. We started in St. Louis and just moved into our new building right across the river in St. Charles Missouri. Last time I checked I wasn't chinese, or live in China. We even do facility tours if you ever find yourself in town, we have a full SMT line that populates our boards in house and everything.
No
Kommisar Khan with the fake news.
Are you chinese?
Great channel great review, unlike some redneck review where they just turn it on and look at it from outside view lmao😂 or else ther shill click bait tubers
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