What is a GAMING Speaker? - LG UltraGear GP9
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
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When you GAME on the PC, do you use speakers or headphones? Each has its strengths, like headphones; you can talk to your friends and have a near surround sound experience. However, the Ultragear GP9 might have you think a little bit harder about your decision.
The LG UltraGear Gaming Speaker GP9 also features an ES9038 Pro DAC, a premium sound card used in other premium Hi-Fi Audio products.
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Honestly, the level to which Linus is uninspired by this product comes through so hard. Making up a new product name every time it's mentioned is just icing on the cake.
thats because it's useless crap that nobody needs.
Yea but dat money tho
Yeah but he should have served his viewers the price for this PoS & save some embarrassment
He's more interested in the money being made for the sponsorship.. If you're as rich as Linus every single thing becomes boring already.
I mean can't expect that high of a quality on this channel, it's basically just an average unboxing channel for things that's not interesting enough for the main LTT channel
IT'S *500$*
Oh my. From looking at it, i thought it would be 200$ Max. For that price, you could get a decent Sourround Sound System for your PC PLUS Headphones
Yea same here. I thought this must be like 150 buck TOPS. I rather buy a soundbar for this money, that i can put under my monitor as well as my TV (and it wont look like a 50 dollar Chinese speaker)
Yep, just buy the HD58X & XM4 for a tad more
for that money you could probably get the Z-906 and the team tygr headphones and microphone bundle, this product is super stupid and the video is clearly one of them paid to be made in the first place type of deals. Can't remember what Linus wanted us to call them but I remember review and long format AD was "bad". idk, stupid video for stupid e-waste product.
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah. I bought my crappy little sound bar for like $15, only really use it for youtube when I don't want to use my headphones.
Yeah, the product is 'nice' but that price is crazy, not at all worth it. There are multiple ways to spend those $500 and come out with a much better setup than that.
Linus: “They wrote me a little note...”
*Reads note*: Thank you for cooperating with us... asdfstrrgrrdfsadevfsfggb...
@@agnez112 go away we have linus for that
I think it says collaborating but that works too
@@brandon2089 Just keep in mind that there is a report button on comments, and I recommend you use it on bots like that :)
@@kaworubloodpaw ion no snitch
They even wrote a note with a heart in the end, and he attacked the box like a angry dog
Linus's lack of enthusiasm for this product clearly shows 😂
@@kz.irudimen I have a sound bar for my PC.... it's from sony though because sony knows how to fucking making speakers
Yeah like there is no point for having this speaker, well maybe but its overpriced so HELL NO
@@kz.irudimen Well, ppl buy 5g repelling nets, I really would not surprised if they buy a product like this
@@kz.irudimen I mean, I would prefer this over a two separate ugly speakers..
I haven't looked up the price, but it's "for gaming" so might be expensive
@@xX12VincEXx its 500 dollars.... so yeah it not just expensive its "F you pay me" expensive
If you would mention the price at the start, I'd stop watching right there. Well done.
“Oh it can’t be too much. 200? 300?”
$500?!
Yeah. That’s gonna be a no for me.
Too much effort to click the product link in the description before watching?
To be fair, it's not only a speaker... it's also a Dac...
So it's worth the money for the product... but you need to be willing to pay for everything..
Saw your comment and stopped watching
@@KurodoDragon Who clicks the product link before the review?
5:08 - 1 point off for not powering the device via usb C
Minus 250 points for every dollar over $250.
that thing isn’t even worth $150
That would require Thunderbolt. I am not risking the life of my Thunderbolt for this. On my, uh... laptop?
@@patrickmahon3476 No, USB-PD (up to 100 watts) is separate from Thunderbolt. Phones for example don't have Thunderbolt, but they use USB-PD.
@@seshpenguin Know what, I knew that... But I was being smoothbrain. Thanks for making sure the correct info is out there!
@@patrickmahon3476 lol it's all good!
This is the most "One take" Linus video I think I've ever seen. 😂
Gaming laptop and monitor speakers were so good that we had to sell them separately.
@@agnez112 agreed
@@agnez112 good talk
@@agnez112 Yep
I can't quite justify spending five-hundo for something like this when I could just spend two for an excellent quality pair of Sennheiser headphones and a Creative Pebble speaker setup for when I don't want to wear them. I mean the tacky "LG" logo on the front is a major turn-off.
$200 for a set of Sennheisers? What the hell are you smoking?
(Quietly hides £20 ear buds.)
@@brytonmassie You can get a pair of HD600's for that kind of money if they are on sale
@@brytonmassie HD560s.
I've seen them a few day ago, also wondering about the very wonky 'L' in 'LG', and only just now realized that it's probably supposed to be 'UG', for 'UltraGear'.
Things that people haven't seen:
-Lion eating grass
-Linus getting kills in CSGO
He don’t really need kills, it’s too boring for him clearly lol
very "let's get this over with" energy throughout this video lmao
I was kinda digging it but not when it costs more than some of LG's own 1440p 144Hz monitors. 😬
I recently paid £300 for the 27GL850 (Fantastic monitor imo and to me, well worth the price). I was expecting this to cost between £100-£150... £500?! Huge nope from me. 🤣
the Katana is a much better speaker bar and at a cheaper price too.. LG played themselved with this one!
Lol I love how Linus calls the speaker different, random names throughout the video without getting it right once.
"Someone has done this before, right?" You're thinking of the Panasonic SoundSlayer which is also £300 cheaper.
Maybe logitechs speakers - I mean they did have those lights which projected a colour from the screen, that was kinda neat
Or the samsung monitor sound bar, that thing was actually dope
Or the Razer Leviathan. RIP Razer, so forgotten.
I want to say Creative also put out something similar in the past. After checking they have a few and the main one I was thinking of was the Katana one. There is also the Stage now apparently
@@KyurekiHana Razer deserves to be forgotten. People are still mad about their bloatwares associated with synapse
at this point im expecting someone to come out and sell gaming Air. its just Air with red accents (or rgb).
That's the smoke, EA is blowing up our collective asses.
Even before covid people were selling fancy air at like bars in India.
I could read the marketing now. increase you gaming experience now with specialist forumalte air for eSports pro gaming
Windows settings turn down other app noises when it detects communications being used, usually to 80%
@@TooUnskilled they weren't talking about what the person on the call could hear. They meant the actual sound Linus could hear was lowered, which is a default feature in Windows like Dead Player says. But yes, noise cancellation is a feature of the soundbar as well.
The reducing of the game volume while in the slack call is actually a default setting in windows, its not related to the speaker at all
Shame the price is bonkers. This would fit really well in my setup. Will just stick with my full size soundbar I guess. Looks silly but sounds great.
Its nost just a soundbar, is also a HIFi DAC for headphone ^^, Quad DAC from LG. its worth 200 buck alone.
Ikr, you could get an amazing 1440p monitor for that price, even an odyssey g7 for just a bit more
This is 500 big oooofffff
I read this comment thinking, yeah if it's like $250 it's overpriced. Then I clicked the link and saw $500...
have a look at razer Leviathan
I love that slip-up. Awesome when your RGB can improve the battery life of your device.
Love when he starts shaking the box and tossing it at the beginning
I like that they made it work as a headphone amp with a easy to switch interface, on top of being a wireless Bluetooth speaker you can take with you. Seems like a cool product, albeit 500 bucks seems overpriced. I think the spatial audio on the speaker might be a unnecessary feature, especially if it contributes significantly to the price.
Funny how Linus doesn't talk about the sound quality at all. I don't get why anyone would want this over some proper monitors, headphones or 2.1 pc speakers.
cause its a GAMER SPEAKER THERE TO GET YOU THE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE AND MAKE MORE FRAGS
real talk though, this is just a (seemingly pretty solid) bluetooth speaker with a gamer facelift that they doubled the price on. could be much worse, but 500 dollars can buy you an incredible pair of headphones with a dedicated dac and amp
@@moon1614 It's not just a bluetooth speaker with a facelift. It's a proper DAC with a speaker slapped onto it, then marketed as 'gamer' for god knows what reason.
It's probably a really compelling product for 'budget audiophiles', but really not worth it for gamers.
@@moon1614 that is a dedicated DAC. Please do your homework.
@@peperoni_pepino pmuch the whole gamer market right now is translatable to budget enthusiast, but in this instance the engineering team came up with a great product and marketing said, "well we think it'd perform best here where it isn't competing directly with x x and x."
Gamer as a brand is pretty much comparable to military grade in any setting.
PreSonus Eris E3.5-3.5 are $100 and great
This looks like some gamery stuff that Asus ROG would make lol
It looks like some gamery stuff a no-name brand from China would make honestly
I paid out for all that gamery rog stuff to have it on dark mode 😎
I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it (We're talking frames, obviously).
@@Know3ody Yeah, that's the problem with high-end gaming components. They all have RGB and I don't want it. You have to pay extra for that one model that might not have RGB. My RAM is dark until the OS goes to sleep - then the RAM turns on because the software controlling the color is not running... Silly that RGB RAM was $200 cheaper than non-RGB modules with the same specs. I hate it.
Atleast they have RGB. This doesnt even have that.
@@martinsjolund88 turn the rgb off. Or only have it on as a visual system notification. Theres lot you can have it do where it doesnt look like unicorn vomit.
"What's a gaming speaker?"
A speaker equivalent of Opera GX probably
man at that price you can get some fantastic active speakers from edifier, elac, klipsch etc. I just dont see this ever justifying that price.
They were doing so well until I found out they are $500. I'll stick to my $30 logitech speakers
Gonna guess logitech z130 heh
$30? I'll stick to my IBM speakers that have been in the family for decades.
@@flosa1995 close. Z120 (got the price wrong because I was roughly guessing the USD price, they cost £11 so even cheaper that I thought)
@@justsomeguy5103 they were actually $15. I guessed the conversion but was slightly out
But seriously the Z313 is a ridiculously great product for the money. Sounds decent and quite durable. I've bought like 4 sets over the past 20 years. Hilarious when someone stole them out of my car. I was like "enjoy risking prison or getting clapped for some speakers that cost 30 bucks new and are nowhere near new"!
the built in mic sound like crap, but I gotta say, I'm impressed that it's able to not pick up game sounds while in voice chat. :)
Never clicked so fast on a Short Circuit video since I need something to replace my Razer Leviathan for gaming at some point!
How's the whiplash for after you saw the price tag?
@@gk2011 Bruh haven't had price whiplash so strong in a long time 😂😂😂
This product seems like something Linus would talk about in "Shit Manufacturers Say" series.
looks great but the thing is $500, i cant afford speakers that cost more than my monitor itself
I could by 4 of my monitor for this speaker
I bought an LG SJ 7 which can split up the speaker bar in to. So I put on under each of my ultrawides and it works great. Love the auto turn on via optical as well 👍🏻 (also on speaker has a battery and you can use it portable for whatever reason)
To all those complaining about the price:
The price is that high because it uses a ES9038 Pro DAC which is 460$ USD DAC by itself making it actually "a good deal" in a messed up rich audiophile way because you pay 40$ more for the speakers, battery and lights. DEFINITELY not gamer-budget friendly. The price should DEFINITELY be the first thing mentioned. I totally agree with all your complaints. I just wanted to point out WHY it's 500$. It's a legitimate professional DAC despite it's edgy gamer look. On top of it it has surround sound noise cancellation. It was cancelling out all the noises from the speakers. That's what that phone test was about.
This is not for budget gamers.
Well now I get it Thanks!
Great info, good work
Seems odd they'd spend such a huge chunk of the BOM cost on such a fancy DAC
@@TacticalFluke09 I’m totally in favor. My $1,000 monitor has a headphone out that’s total 💩 and I ended up spending $500 on an interface which could play from two sources at once and contained a high quality DAC. High quality audio shouldn’t be so hard to find. The more products have it, the better.
where do you get that 460$ price for the dac chip from? A mouser search turns up about 79$ for the chip and in volume they get significantly cheaper. A lot of cost comes from implementation and I wont say that it doesn’t have a lot of features that make that price reasonable, but saying the dac costs 460$ seems disingenuous to me.
You cant compare this to another complete dac implementation and say that the chip costs as much.
Also a lot of the cost is through the price of the other components in the implementation, which we know nothing about here.
What is a gaming speaker, you ask?
It's dumb. That's what it is.
Hey LTT team, can I recommend whenever you try gaming audio equipment, you test with games that are very audio sensitive/dependent. IE: Hunt Showdown, Phasmophobia, etc.
Such professional unboxing movements. :]
I really like how he is trying to seem impressed by the product even though there really is nothing good about it
Linus cared so little he didn’t even take enough takes to correct himself
I actually use a Bluetooth speaker under my monitor for the same kind of use cases. And I must say, I am happy with my configuration. This LG speaker seems to have great sound, but hey, it's also quite big.
I listen to headphones 90% of the time but, I just use my Bose sound-link for watching youtube videos and such. It's pretty convenient. Plus this way it's always charged when I need it for other uses.
this unboxing is wild
It's nice that LG is good to you. I'm on my 4th month waiting for them to fix my LG 38gl950g-b
This is basically an external sound card with speakers. Would be nice to know what kind of DAC chip is used and how much wattage for the speaker & the headphone out.
LG said it uses ESS ES9038PRO. Interesting choice.
@@kabanchan Seeing a lot more of this chip in "mid-range" DACs lately. At this price point, we would see this or the AK4493. Probably harder to source the 4493 than the 9038Pro.
I can see the appeal for low profile builds.. but I love a good 2.1/5.1 system
Going back to a speaker video from before the Dan times shows me a stark difference of content.
wow its a nice soundcard for headphones
I would recomend a polk magnify mini for the price and size it is the best!
This is similar to my soundblaster x katana, it's a gaming sound we for your desk, I love mine!
Katana is literally half the price of this LOL
same, best speaker ever, glad I bought it, while this LG speaker overpriced as hell
This just gave me a flashback to highschool. We had old windows desktops. The monitors had "non-gamer" focused "monitor sound bars" if you will. Attached straight to the bottom of the monitor.
I never though I needed this until this video. I get tired of wearing a headset all the time.
No comment on how it manages battery charge while plugged in for extended periods of time?
This speaker is ridiculously priced, but I'd hope LG included a Battery Saver feature. They have it on their laptop. Only charge to 80%.
I love the concept - I have a LG gaming monitor and not much room on my desk for speakers so this would fit perfectly, but $500 is almost double what I paid for the monitor which is crazy. I'll stick with my crappy $40 Taotronics PC sound bar for now
Razer also has a gaming sound bar that comes with an under the desk sub. $200 all together but it's been pretty nice. I like it.
The best speaker for desktop surround is the jawbone jambox, it actually had some amazing tech, your right ear would only hear the right speaker and vise versa so it would delay the audio per instrument per ear and you couldn't tell there was even a speaker in front of you
Creative Soundblaster X Katana comes with wide soundbar, dedicated up-firing tweeters for virtual surround, more RGB and a dedicated Sub-Woofer at lower cost from 200-300$ US (if you can still get it)
"What is a GAMING Speaker?"
- electronic landfill
He is on the gear boyyysss!!
"It just turned on, I d id not do anything" yet clearly had his finger where the power button was lol
Linus acts totally different every second of a video
when he's being paid to avoid the down sides.
It's shit like this that has made me finally stop watching all Linus media group channels. There's just no line.
@@Tb0n3 like what exactly? It's only downside is that it costs too much, mayyybe you could say it isn't low enough profile to fit under most monitors but those can be raised.
@@XiaolinDraconis Linus produces half his videos as straight up ads but doesn't say it's an add, just that it's sponsored.
@@Tb0n3 Oh I get it now. You don't know what sponsored means.
"noun
1.
an individual or organization that pays some or all of the costs involved in staging a sporting or artistic event in return for advertising."
Make sense why a sponsored video feels like an ad now? Because it is. Literally the point of it.
@@XiaolinDraconis You can, and many do, take sponsorships for a video and only do an ad read for the product and then continue on to have some kind of valuable input on the actual product. If Linus is sponsored by the product he's reviewing the video is absolutely worthless and would be better off on some "Linus Shill Tips" channel so you won't expect any objectivity. At that point you might as well be watching QVC.
Linus: *plays CSGO every review*
Me, an avid CSGO player: *watches his great struggle every review*
This is basically an external sound card with speakers. Would be nice to know what kind of DAC chip is used and how much wattage for the speaker & the headphone out.
I-Roar have one and use it, as my speaker on my computer.. works like a dream! but most I use headphones.
I'm using a Yamaha 108 soundbar with my PC/PS5/monitor combo. The only advantage over competition is "3D surround mode", which makes sound bounce off ceiling, so music sounds good and even in entire room.
The headphone's 'great positional audio' you can thank Beyerdynamic for. The headphones themselves will have a much greater impact on soundstage than the amp/DAC, although software audio encoding does have an effect.
I'm fixing to pick up a pair of their DT 770s and/or a DAC pretty soon.
@@genekwagmyrsingh9433 you won't be disappointed. Beyers are great. I have the DT770 (lasted 10+ years now and still going strong) & DT1990, and a couple DAC/amp combos. Just don't buy this overpriced 'gaming' speaker as a DAC/amp; there are some great options for a lot less money which actually put quality ahead of RGB.
Even very crappy headphones sounds different on all of my devices without the EQ.
I kinda like how easy we can spot when Linus thinks the product is bullshit.
Uhum LG hold my k712 and my hd600....
Love the editor with the *less
I don't need the dac or headphone stuff but the speakers and mic seem cool and useful with the desktop design
it's opera's gaming browser all over again...
Linus: "I'm sure someone has done this before"
Razer: "COME ON MAN!"
Dell as well
Corsair aswell
Creative Soundblaster X Katana: Really?
I feel that arrow thing is more of a noticable problem because you are using an open fold. On a normal width smartphone those sliders would be much closer together and would make it easier to set specific frequencies.
When he emptied the box i was yelling 'TIME!' shoutout AvE
If they improve the DAC/AMP and the mic by a big margin this is literally the thing i was searching for my whole life, its just everything you need for high end audio...
I like the idea of a soundbar for PC instead of speakers taking up valuable desk space, especially if you have an ultrawide monitor. I like the optical input, and I don't even mind the RGB because let's face it, everything these days has RGB. And from what I can hear through the video, it sounds good. But $500?! That's crazy.
Buy a Yamaha or Vizio soundbar for less. Marketing BS what it is.
You forgot its second Utility that is a HiFi DAC. Its LG Quad DAC, its can power the most expensive HiFi headphone on the market. ( 600 ohms)
@@user-Cata7sti7ma7 the Creative Sound Blaster G6 is $150 and do the same.
@@JoseRuiz-ff3zb i dont see the 4 in 1. Where is the speaker, the DTS, the microphone ?
Also you compare a Mainstream DAC to a actual HiFi one... know a lot of people who would bury you alive. Kek.
Same taught
Cool product. I could see myself using it when I don't want to become too isolated and unaware of my surroundings which can happen with headphones. I'll probably wait for a second generation that is sleeker or not gamer-y.
It looked really good for a small setup with no space for large speakers. I expected 200-250€ but 455€ is on another lvl.
I would like to know how this is an improvement over the £20 amazon sound bar I use as pc speakers
RGB? 😂
Your bank account would be a lot lighter... that has to be good for its performance, right?
@@herbstwerk fewer digits on the bank Account = higher Fps and more RGB = more Fps, Win-Win Situation
By sounding way better 🤨
Hell yeah, that's awesome. I'm all about spending way too much on inferior products that fall short against their 1/10th cost competitors.
A sound bar for your computer won't have any noticeable stereo separation at all. Just get some nice speakers.
Aside from the "gaming" gimmick the sound bar is actually a nice change to traditional computer speakers. I've been installing them on computers at work and gotta say, I kinda like them
Linus: what is a gaming speaker?
Me: pure bs
He got paid just enough to disagree with that statement
I am getting tired of the "Gamer Tax" products like this have. 500 dollars is about twice what this is worth.
Meridian technology tax.
Oooofff was not expecting $500 when I actually checked the link. Thought it might make a nice splurge Christmas gift.... But that's crazy 😦
That LG gaming logo is giving me hardcore flashbacks to the corsair "tramp stamp" they tried for a bit...
As someone who hasn't used speakers in ages because I find I'm using headsets 99% of the time, this might actually be something I'd be interested in if the price is right.
Lol no. Price is nowhere near right for what it is. Maybe $100-150 for it. That's all it's worth even in the fake shortage economy.
Look at the Creative Stage series if you want a mini soundbar for your PC. There is also the Sound Blaster X Katana if you want to spend $250 or so
@@Montisaquadeis thanks I'll give those a look.
I thought that this would be something borderline outrageous for a gaming bluetooth speaker, like 200-250, but 500? Really? Really? Just buy something that is actually meant for sound playback and get better sound for less money.
I currently use a Bose soundbar as my desktop speaker. This got me excited, but $500 for that thing is insane. Surprised it didn't have XTREME in the name.
I wish you could do more headphone stuff.
Why would you buy a $500 dollar "Gaming" speaker you can get one for way cheaper and good audio quality
I don't think I've ever seen anyone as clumsy as Linus in my entire life.
Its a bit.
I use the Polk magnifi mini. Same size and a dedicated subwoofer for less. Highly recommend
Gonna Flex those realism FPS gun sound to entire neighbourhood
For the price (400+ EUR) you can get **really** good speakers. There is absolutely no point in buying this overpriced box.
Its not a just a speaker but a HIFI DAC too. A Quad DAC, it's worth 200 buck alone. ^^
@@user-Cata7sti7ma7 Not if it looks like cartoon merchandise from the 80s ;)
The price is that high because it uses a ES9038 Pro DAC which is 460$ USD DAC by itself making it actually "a good deal" in a messed up rich audiophile way because you pay 40$ more for the speakers, battery and lights. DEFINITELY not gamer-budget friendly. The price should DEFINITELY be the first thing mentioned. I totally agree with all your complaints. I just wanted to point out WHY it's 500$. It's a legitimate professional DAC despite it's edgy gamer look.
@@user-Cata7sti7ma7 So a crappily designed 200$ DAC (headphone out at the back, wtf) paired with a run-of-the-mill 60$ bluetooth speaker. Sounds like a bad deal for me.
@@asspirin108 Check Video Pinned Commentary.. The dac in the speaker is a ES9038 Pro DAC that is a 450$ Dac. you pay only 50 buck extra for the speaker, microphone and DTS. Its not budget, but it's heavily audiophile tech in a gaming box.
What is a gaming speaker?
Something you don't buy.
Only things that need to be gaming are mice and monitors.
All other things are either good (insert product here) or bad (insert product here)
Just put RGB and FPS letters under the equalizer and bum! Gaming speaker...
wow, that intro was really funny
I actually kinda dig this. It’s surprising how few “PC Speakers” or things marketed as PC speakers actually have a direct digital input? The price is kindof insane though. I got a set of Edifiers that were like $20 and are “good enough” for something small that goes on my desk and makes noises from my computer. Saying that as a legit audiophile that wouldn’t dare listen to music on it. But it’s fine for what it’s meant to be. Just takes a USB and you’re done, doesn’t even need another cable for power.
Just like the Creative Labs Soundblaster Katana, this thing is WAY OVER-PRICED at $500 USD. Nothing about this looks to be worth that cost, least of all the aesthetics.
It's not just a speaker, it's a HIFI DAC too... a Quad DAC from LG. easily worth 200 buck alone.
@@user-Cata7sti7ma7 No one seems to agree with that.
@@redhammer92 like Texans don't seems to agree that abortion is a Right. Opinion are Opinion. Being in the popular side don't make you are legitimate or even in the truth.
Cannot find another 4 in 1 speaker that do the same. if someone have the specific need for it. A least the product exist.
Its a cool product. But, I just feel like this is garbage.
Panasonic did do a similar device and it was gamer focused. It was called the soundslayer. Similar in concept anyhow. I can't speak to the quality of either but considering it was half the cost I imagine it probably wasn't as good tech wise. It's form factor I think was better. It was basically just a big flat rectangle with speakers in different locations around it and it also could be used as a monitor riser.
I am honestly interested in this, but I think I would need to demo it in stores first, and if it was around $250-300 USD, it'd be easier. But RN, $500 is a bit expensive. Still interesting, as I love the form factor of it slotting below your monitor, but it's just too expensive ATM. Interesting idea tho~
This is a joke, right? LG must have paid for Linus' new house to make this video.
You can tell he doesn't give half a toss about this product, nor should he.
$500 for this wanky garbage is nuts. You could get some really solid speakers or headphones for $500.
sod that, you could get really good speakers AND really good headphones for that
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How do I get connected into this system?
At 6.31 when your game voice is lowered upon turning on the microphone; it is not a speaker configuration but a problem with your pc settings that can just as easily be fixed.
I need this