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1:06 "Quietly under the radar, the BBC slipped two episodes onto iPlayer". No, Kevin, they've been marketing the hell out of it. If the launch of the 2024 series is what he calls "quiet", just how much advertising does he expect to see? Did he expect Russel T. Davies to personally come to his house and scream "The new series of Doctor Who starts on the 11th of May!!!!!!!!!" directly into his face?
No cause then it would be shoving the gay agenda in his face...
Facts. I was watching an American Hockey game the other day. And a Doctor Who trailer played directly before the 3rd Period started. When the most people would be watching.
Family values - steal a vehicle and joy ride around for 60 years.
The Doctor has stolen many vehicles. Doctor Who is teaching our kids to steal vehicles!
One of the first things that the doctor did when they regenerated as the 3rd doctor was steal a car and clothes from a hospital and kill
More than 60 years. At least 500 years have passed between his time as the first doctor
@@usmanchughtai1751little more I think the last time an age for the doctor was mentioned I think they were like somewhere between 2 thousand and 5 thousand years old
Abandoned his granddaughter, and randomly picks up men and women from the street and take them away... 😂😂😂
I know these conservative pundits love mocking the pronoun stuff but for this it literally makes sense for Maestro to be they/them. You’re so right, Will.
Maestro is an entity, child of the Toymaker that exists outside the plane of our existence, that takes the appearance of a form we consider human.
They’re an entity. Neither male not female. It makes in universe sense in the context of the story, but they just can’t wrap their minds around it, because their brains are tiny and robotic “beep boop detect usage of pronouns, black people, trans people and criticise it beep boop”
There is a similar situation in another fandom, where the character being non-binary makes so much sense that even if you were a hateful bigot, you can’t argue against the pronoun usage of they-them, Frankie stein in Monster High is now nonbinary! They are and have always been a character thats literally stitched together from parts of different people, of different genders! Even their brain!
@@Futurebound_jpgSame with Morph in X-Men 97. It makes sense that an entity who can shape-shift into anyone of any gender would be non-binary.
Love the "beep boop" part! 😄
"Noooo! A god can't not have a gender!" 😭 I feel like RTD made Maestro a-gender specifically because it'd be such a slam dunk for breaking bigots' brains
Im sure RTD didnt put the gods pronouns there because the god isnt a gendered thing. He did it for political point scoring and you know it. Also why cant we assume it’s a he seeing as H.arbinger literally calls him his daddy. Only men can be dads.
As soon as I hear ‘family values’ used in this way I know it’s not good. Why is boring racism, sexism and other intolerance ‘family values’? Families come in all shapes and sizes and my family will certainly follow the incredible ‘woke’ teachings of doctor who
Family values to them means abuse your autistic children
Yeah, that's the idea with dogwhistles. Who in their right mind would oppose "family values," are you some kind of a monster? Of course, when you know that "family values" means "anti-choice, anti-women, anti-trans, anti-gay, anti-black" it's obvious the person is being racist, but if you have a day job or are like a single mother or study all day, you may not be online enough to know that context. So they say Doctor Who should promote "family values" and to you it makes sense, it is a family show after all, but then all these people come out of nowhere to claim that promoting "family values" is sexist and racist? Those people sound, to you, like they have a few screws loose, even when they are 100% correct.
The people using dog whistles know they are doing it, the people calling them out know they're doing it, most of the people seeing the conversation know they're doing it, but some people, be it 5%, even 1% of people watching, don't know that it's a dog whistle and they don't have a reason to not take the person at their word. It's insidious, manipulative, but at the core of it it's also lying. We should just call them out, not call the people using them racist or sexist, but point out what the dog whistle being used means in reality and let the people watching draw their own conclusions. Most humans have empathy and respond well to reason, even though the racists don't. Racists are ultimately really bad at hiding it and when it's calmly called out in public, they tend to paint themselves into a corner.
@@SunniestAutumn The Left does the same thing with "Choice", "Democracy", "Liberation", "Oppression", "Anti-Racist" etc.
@@Tolstoy111Dawgs acting like having a choice and not being racist is a bad thing 💀💀💀
@erosion271 they're not buzzwords. we're describing people who hate people of color. racists. its as simple as that
The Doctor's family values: Serially running off with teenagers.
LOL. This is so true. If the Doctor was around in real life, they'd want him locked up.
Doctor Who is teaching our children to abduct people! Woke liberal garbage!
@@baybarsedturner2unless he agreed with them politically, then they'd say it was nothing.
oh shit it's you
@@Mooglatan Oh shit it's me.
Of course an episode about Rosa Parks is going to feature Racism
Imagine how much worse a situation it would have been had they NOT included any racism in that episode
I immediately disregard anyone that uses 'Woke" as an adjective. All they did was appropriate a word and change its meaning to 'politically correct' I also disregard ANYTHING from The Sun
I roll my eyes when they say woke can’t take anyone seriously who brings up wokeness because they bring up the same bigotry
@@alistairrae9807 Not even half way through and they managed to use all the dog whistles 🙄
So you don’t understand woke.
@@wardjunior1450 Nobody does bruv. At least not the conservatives who use it. And no I'm not being racist as it started off as an AAVE word meaning to be awake to social issues and help fix them.
@HishamA.N_Comicbroe not entirely but whatever. Words can change and adapt you know.
I will go to my grave believing woke is not a thing
It is a thing, just not a bad thing like they make it out to be. It just means being awake to social issues and trying to help fix them.
@@Sparx632This might be the first time ever that i've heard a good definition of that word.
There’s absolutely an element of virtue bullying, like black peoples using their skin colour to talk down to white people about black issues in a really condescending way, forcing apologies from jokes years ago when they won’t even forgive them and move on anyway, I can genuinely find you examples if you want.
Woke is being conscientized to the structural nature of reality and the contours of oppression, and dehumanization as defined by neo-Marxist Theory and postmodern critical constructivism. To put it more forthrightly, it's being awakened to or "critically conscious" of various perceived systems of oppression where the axes of oppression are identity characteristics (race, gender etc.).
@@liittlemiissd Right, so in the case of past racism, it's the black people who "won't forgive them" who are in the wrong. Got it. I mean, if the white folk think they have done nothing wrong, they could always try saying that - I'm really not getting how anyone is "forced to apologize" if they genuinely think that the jokes were all in good fun and there was nothing wrong with them. But since the people are apologising, presumably they don't think there was nothing wrong with that language in the past.
I think Ally was referring to "The Star Beast" when he said "The christmas special". He got his wires crossed in his lizard brain, surprise surprise.
Wires crossed implies he watched the episodes to begin with though. He probably doesn't even have I player or a t.v. for that matter. If he does I doubt he even bothered getting to the channel or streaming services the episodes were on.
Welp. It was a nice four weeks not knowing what conservatives thought of Doctor Who...
EDIT: HOLY HELL I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THE EUROVISION ISRAEL BIT
It's safe to say every episode is more woke than the last according to them and it is eroding society so much we are always and only ever a couple days away from society collapsing since minorities shouldn't exist in their world.
Basically people who say doctor who is "woke" will never stop (to be honest when they can't make money off this grift they will but who knows if that would happen).
7:00 according to ally ross, saying that racism is bad is being woke 🤦
It is being woke, but for some reason people like him think "wokeness" is a bad thing.
Series 1 2005 was so focused on politics they never even left earth's orbit!
8:30 Using "Social Justice Warriors" unironically in 2024! God, these guys really are stuck in a nightmarish 2016 time warp! That's an insult that lost relevancy back in 2016!
i had such a moment when i heard him say that, i coudlnt help but laugh
Fighting for others on any side is delusional
Anyone who uses “social justice warrior” unironically as a pejorative pretty much knows their argument has no foundation or credibility.
21:55 I was born in 2005.
I grew up watching shows like adventure time and Steven universe. Both shows include LGBTQ+ characters and themes. Both were also critically acclaimed and beloved by millions.
I grew up in the 90s Sailor moon had two LGBTQ couples (despite the stupid stunts the dub pulled) Many people love the anime still. Heck Xena: and Buffy had gay main characters and both shows are still beloved to this day.
Same here! Also glad to see you here. Love your vids.
@@Comicbroe405 thanks dude
Gonna watch this to stay up until midnight for 73 Yards 🙏
I can’t wait till midnight
Do these people ever get bored of what they do? They literally just sit around and cycle through the same crap declarations again and again and again.
Your answering your own question there.
@@DJ-LD Bigotry really does rot the brain lol.
If anything, ‘The Church on Ruby Road’ was probably the episode that came out last year that had the least to do with gender identity and politics out of all 4 specials. Other than a trans woman appearing in Ruby’s band, there was nothing to do with the LGBTQ+ present in that episode
It was a musical
I hate musicals
Ah, but don't you see? To KKKonservatives, a trans person existing literally anywhere IS propaganda.
@@SamuelBlack84 It was not. There was, essentially one song, plus a reprisal, lasting two minutes if that out of an hour long. A musical would have far more songs in that runtime (see: Subspace Rhapsody in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds).
@@jukesy1992 It had singing and dancing
Regardless of how many or how long, I hate it
The One Show has always been *the hard hitting struggle of whatever* followed by *the joys of cabbage racing*. That's been practically a recurring joke since the start. It's a ridiculous show; what a weird choice for a reference.
The other reason these people deliberately get things wrong is to farm engagement by having people correct them, so don't fall for that either
The only real issue with the episode "Rosa" was the Claudette Colvin erasure. It's still an amazing episode, and there's only so much you can do in under an hour, but her contributions are much bigger than even most of us dumb Americans tend to remember.
A talk TV journalist talking to a sun journalist. I've seen better conversations between my sofa and my fridge!
I love the clickbait title which will draw in the conservatives. Good job Mr.Tardis! :) Great video.
It's a really clever tactic!
Ok snowflake.
"Quietly under the raidar" LOL . Massively publicised!
Never underestimate the right wings ability to weaponize any word(s) to carry out their virtue signaling.
Thank god I have no virtues
@@SamuelBlack84 K
Thing is they'd then say the same thing about us for being allies or such. I'm a blind person myself, and even though I write out comments with evidence in them and explanations, they don't want to know. In fact just today I've been called a troll for having no profile picture, which is just utterly sad.
You misspelt 'left'.
@@Notallowed101 I don't see the left calling a blind person a troll though either. Also don't panic, it was NOT you, let me start by saying that and leveling with you right here I can promise you that it's not you who did this. In fact I can't remember who it was, but the fact there are now people so synical out there they will not listen to opinions, on whatever side, doesn't matter right or left, that's just sad. I'm here, writing out stuff because I don't have the ability to just... upload memes or photos ro show any opinions I might have, so I express myself through text. After all that, at one point, after providing as much argument to back up any opinion I had, after going backwards and forwards with whoever that particular user was, they just essentially virtually tried to "gut punch" me by saying "they had no interest in what I had to say" and I was a troll. But I had the last laugh because I just laughed and moved on. If people don't want to know what I have to say, fine, I'll just move on if that's what they want, I've got better things to do with my life. Meanwhile I can bring some positive perspective here, firstly if I'm not mistaken, I think I've seen you figuratively speaking, around in variosu comment sections and, at least from what I can rmember you discuss stuff fairly reasonably, although it might have been a while back. There was also one of the coolest interactions ever I had with another user where they were going all synic about Doctor Who, not really explaining their point, but I came on in and chatted to them a bit and they were genuinely a cool person, and this was then solidified when I mentioned I was blind, we had this amazing discussion about media and about how I experience things, and even the way the person reacted to me in terms of Doctor Who was different. It wasn't rude, it wasn't condescending anymore, they got it and what was amazing was they even started to explain their points to me as well. Now that, that is amazing discussion, and then that resulted in someone else joining in as well and all sorts of amazing points going back and fourth with no demonizing/villifying at all, it was such a cool discussion in the end, and it's stuff like that why I legit love the internet. I know that might sound a bit soppy, and yes I know this reply is now getting very long indeed so I do apologize, but as I say, I can't just upload the latest and greatest photos or memes to explain a point of mine quickly, so that's my disadvantage. But I wish to give some food for thought as well. If someone asked me hay Jukesy would you like your sight, I'd answer no, not unless it's so advanced I can turn it on and off, because I have never seen in my life. I would actually be worried my brain would make me fall unconscious or something as colours and even shapes and faces will be in my mind for the first time, and, well who knows what would happen. On one hand it'd be amazing I'd be able to experience so many videogames properly, on the other, it'd be like starting from scratch, learning how the world works from a very different perspective, which is fine but then would the brain take it? Sorry, I know this comment's gotten really huge so I will end here for now and wait for anyone else to reply.
1:54 From what I can tell, it definitely is used by the far-right and by fascists. Not sure if it originated as a Christian dog-whistle specifically though.
Family values = control your kids like they are property
It is one of the pillars of Russian propaganda. So yes, a fascist dog-whistle.
@erosion271 You are a good pet, but maybe you can try some original phrases at least?
@@BigBrosFilms
Family values = don’t let your kids understand the world at large and help them come to grips with their personal identity in a natural way
@erosion271 "You've just proved mu point."
Ironclad indicator of no well-adjusted person needing to read any more of this.
What I love about people like this who complain about doctor who being woke is that the ignore the fundamental fact that the show is constantly changing.
Modern doctor who is drastically different from how it was when it began. That’s a good thing. The show is constantly reinventing itself.
Change isn't always a good thing
Change is just an idea that some people agree on
It doesn't autons make it right
How did he come up with "Were you upset when Adric died?" completely off the cuff like that?! Genius
Even in the first minute of them talking… I heard every buzzword under the sun 😂
Why does TalkTv even care about Doctor Who? Its just a science fiction show for kids
They care about it the same way bowlstrek does: as a culture war battlefield
It was the last decent thing on TV when everything else is soulless and sappy reality tv
I take issue with your Darth Vader argument, with respect of course, Davros based the Daleks on himself and how he looked in the chair that he constructed before the Dalek’s where ever a thing. Giving him the accident after the first Dalek was made hurts the cannon.
Is he seriously criticising camp villains? As if Doctor Who villains haven’t always been camp!
*Soldeed from Horns of Nimon has entered the chat before ranting about how many Nimons he saw.*
"MY DREEEEAAMMS OF CON-QUEST, RUINED!!!"
*intense Underwater Menace flashbacks*
Nerdrotic is in my walls.
Get out of there especially your kids he might sell them meth
Their whole point about “Davros looking camp” in the CIN sketch makes me laugh. 1. It’s a prequel skit from before he became the deformed mad evil genius. 2, it’s a Children In Need sketch. And 3, it was a comedy skit. It genuinely makes me laugh how it comes across that the people who complain how “woke” everything is get more offended than the proposed “woke” ones.
I love how he doesn’t even give an example of what’s wrong with Rosa beyond the episode being about Rosa Parks like the racism is so blatant it’s honestly hilarious
Oh yeah, it's a massive self-report on his part. He sees depicting Rosa Park's story as a direct attack on him, which tells you a lot about how he views stories centred on race.
I am so sad my favourite TV show I have watched since the first episode is now steeped in this ridiculous woke nonsense. Having said that I’m not overly impressed with the first three episodes. But hopeful for the rest of the series. I’m watching the fourth very shortly. Great channel.
RTD said that that was davros' look from now on, and even after the prequel he will be like that
Being WOKE, simply means waking up to the fact that racism still exists within some of us. We're only human, imperfect creatures, we make mistakes, sometimes we treat other people unfairly, inhumanely...sometimes we murder the messiah.
People should try to worry less about being woke and try reading HIS book more... rather than use it as an accessory, or as a fundraising grift
Hot take but racism, biases of any kind are capable of existing in any person.
The only type of Family Values I want to be hearing about involves an amazing tour I wish would come back.
I doubt there's even a shread of independent thought coming out of these people's mouthes. They are sheep of their own making
I have independence
Largely because I only care about myself 😊
You think otherwise, good for you
Black people know what Black people like. Black people know and understand that we are being used on both sides of the argument in order to make their talking points!
I mean, my "side" thinks that black people are human and should be on media and their "side" thinks black people shouldn't even exist. Personally, I think it's pretty clear good/bad dynamics at play.
@MrTARDIS you're far too quick to lump all conservatives into that sphere. Most Conservatives hate what you call Conservatives just as much as you do
17:26 gonna stop you right there, MrTardis, he doesn’t think. Period.
Going off the deepend again? I don’t think he ever stopped
Why is no one watching it then? There has literally never been a time when people have access to the show via new technologies and no one is watching it. The 2005 reboot did better in one night with no iPlayer no smartphones, tablets etc. This season debut in 2024 is absolutely atrocious. I enjoy touching grass it’s much better. But it seems you like the show Doctor Who in name only with its constant bombarding message being forced down your throat. Glad you’re happy with it. I can’t afford 200 miles worth of petrol to go touch grass. And the pollution for literally a patch of grass is a bit anti-climate isn’t it?
You are in a very dangerous echo chamber!
Woke is Narcissism at its most dangerous! When the “overlords” (Not referring to The Mutants story) take over obviously can’t reveal their true identity but when they take over house woke will be the first to fall we all will be screwed and it will be all thanks to wokery. 👏 congratulations
You say "no one is watching" yet it's still a Top 10 show in the UK and is charting highly on Disney+ in most major territories. The latest episode charted at #3 in Brazil, #4 in Greece and in the Top 10 in Canada, America and more.
Lol caring so little about the show you're criticising that you're accusing the Christmas special of being an episode that aired a month earlier, if you're that mad surely you'd at least not mix up ur episodes
The Eurovision voting thing and Israel doing well also needs to be taken in the context of the Boycott. With less people watching Eurovision specifically because of Israel's genocide, that means you're left with more viewers who are pro-Zionist and therefore vote for Israel. The point wasn't about Israel winning or losing - it's about refusing to engage with the contest at all until it suspends Israel, just as it suspended Russia for invading Ukraine (on that note, Azerbaijan should also be held in contempt because of ethnically cleaning Armenians from Artsakh... yeah, there's lots of fucked up stuff happening).
1:00 I really don’t know what he’s hoping to achieve here. Either he’s making himself look incompetent or he is incompetent. 1 minute in people.
Hmm, nothing like old white boomer commentary. 😮
I love how he seems to be crossing off his own personal bingo board at the beginning as if to make sure he managed to fit in all the required buzz words. Woke, check, gender-fluid, check.
19:27 Where's his proof that states "Children love being frightened"?
The man who brought ri#@ing to mainstream TV (who can forget Littlefinger from Game of Thrones and Charlie Hunham) is so surely going to bring us out dated family values... That was bloody hilarious 😂😂😂😂
As much as I dislike Talk TV, RTD did say exactly that about Davros.
The doctor who content form thode talk tv hosts is wild, i think they lost there understanding of media it's wild
That line from An Unearthly Child though 😬
Mrtardis you have saved the day again
I do not think Woke means what he thinks it means?
0:29 Nacutti Gatwa 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
🗣️ RUSTY DAVIS 🗣️
My god, I'm old enough to remember as far back as 1989 and all the way through the 90s, how fans wanted the doctor to be black and/or a woman. This is nothing new, if anything its taken far too long for it to happen.
As black men, we wanted our black Dr.Who to be more masculine and heroic. Think about Black Panther or Killmanger! I want to be Captain Cisco from Deep Space Nine or Blade. This black Dr.Who is a weak,giggling feminist gay clown. I rather be Andrew Tate than him
The video was laughable cause they sited poor ratings for the show in the discribtion as the title of the segment and saying being “woke” as the reason ignoring the a large percentage of the viewing figures are not available to the general public and probably not to the media as well so of course they are going to appear low since Disney+ along with the other streaming services aren’t required to make that available except to the writers of the shows so that discredits that and guest saying ruby road had a gender pronoun discussion in it clearly say without actually having to say it that he didn’t watch it cause that never happened but Carla did ask the doctor his name like anybody else probably would during a first meeting cause the show has always been political as far back as the beginning of the in 1963
Viewing figures for the BBC in the UK are available, so it's certainly possible to compare this series with the specials from last year on those figures. But obviously what's happening with Disney + and what their response to it will be is all down to guesswork.
I wanted to watch this post but imo you simply stop and comment far too frequently. Maybe you could make notes, show parts of the interview and then make your commentary. It is simply too disjointed to watch.
I mean, you can watch the video I'm responding to if you want.
I don't like to pre-watch reactionary videos because I like to prove that their talking points are so weak and predictable that they can be debunked without any prep.
Don't worry Will, as they were saying on Wednesday Things…Can Only Get Better!
I watched a couple of these hate videos for fun and honestly, they are literally out of things to hate and are making them up. I listened to the hate on series 14/season 1 and they're are complaining about things the show DIDN'T do. It's hilarious
...I kinda now want a story about Davros before the Daleks...with the Magnedons (Metal Lizards), Slythers (Tentacled Slug-like mutations), Terrorkons (Two-Headed Lake Hydra), and Vagra Plants (Carnivorous Thorny Tumbleweed)
To be fair, most people pronounce Ncuti Gatwa wrong. The N isn't silent. It's 'Nnn' (like the end of a work instead of a hard 'Nah'), then 'Shooty'. Nn-Shooty.
I would understand it a year or so ago, but considering he's talked about Ncuti before and he's now one of the world's biggest TV stars, it has to be deliberate at this point.
@@MrTARDIS Oh yeah, definitely. It's deliberate disrespect because they're racist. It was just a light-hearted comment pointing out that most people (including Ncuti) pronounce it wrong.
Of course their sensing the end game cause they can't get away with their hate.
Problem is we were spoilt with an incredible Capaldi run followed by awful writing with Jodie. Ncuti is an excellent doctor but I can’t help but something feels off about the series. Boom was incredible though. I think personally I just prefer Moffat as a writer.
I think it feels off cause it’s a return to how the show was in 2005, it’s essentially a relic of a bygone era. It’s like if the show suddenly went back to the format it had in the 70’s, it’s cool for a bit but then the nostalgia wares off and you want to see something new
Or at least that’s how I feel. I remember loving The Star Beast cause it reminded me of all the good times watching the show in the mid-late 2000’s, but then the nostalgia wore off and I was left feeling like I wanted something more. I’m still enjoying it, but every time those 2005’isms come back in I’m just left thinking “this was fine back then but times have changed, the show has changed, please give us something new”
They're making references to The Star Beast as being in The Church On Ruby Road. But The Sun is a tabloid so I'm not surprised at the level of garbage they're peddling.
These guys remind me so much of Gary and Phil from 'Deception of a Generation.'
At least Gary and Phil didn't have the term 'woke' or other buzzwords to fall back on, they had to come up with some great story about how God spoke to them, whilst they were loitering around a children's toy shop and told them to save the children from the evil cartoons.
Their justification was that that ET was here to make kids like men, Heman was trying to encourage satan worship and they seemed to be very anti violence and 'think of the children!' about everything.
That was in the 1980s, here we are forty years later with these two clowns doing the exact same thing but they don't even have the cool/sussy origin story to validate themselves with.
*me, seeing that this video defaulted to 480p, as a yt premium user**: i paid for the extra bitrate and im gonna use the extra bitrate!
I'm NGL I thought this video was a far right clickbait piece with the title and thumbnail
I am pretty sure the other nonbinary and pronoun thing is that they are basically confusing the Star Beast (part of the anniversary celebration) and the Church at Ruby Road (christmas special).
Imagine the uproar if RTD decided to remake the unmade episode the Hidden Planet by Malcolm Hulke.
5:02 I think it’s actually said one more time by either the Doctor or Ruby when they talk about Mastro. Not that this changes your argument of course. Their obsession with gender-neutral pronouns is ridiculous.
9:59 I think he confused Church on Ruby Road with The Star Beast. Either that or he calls all four specials „Christmas Specials“.
5:36 Artists stop making Cthlulu sexy challenge. Difficulty - Impossible.
(At least that rendering doesn't have come to bed eyes. At least one illustration of Ol' Squiddy McSquidface - And I'm sure this wasn't _intended_ to be sexy - does. I just don't know what it is about Cthluhu that causes artistic renderings of it to come out sexy seemingly by accident, at least when not going for making it all chibi and cute.)
WhingeTV still maintaining the same quality standards after the move I see
I don't know these dudes, but their comments are very cringe.
Abysmal viewing figures for a show pandering to an audience that clearly doesn`t exist. The highest viewing figures were for the episode where Fruity disappeared for most of it. Keep shilling for a dead franchise.
damn
Changing the gender of time lords instead of what their were born with makes them gay/bi ok, that’s just annoying
First, we don't know the Doctors assigned gender at birth as they had a thousand lifes before the first regeneration we got to see on TV. Second, Timelord biology does not work like humans and it was stated multiple times before the Docter regenerated into a woman, who is not even the first Timelord to do that, that a change of sex is possible as regeneration is essentially genetic lottery. And third as long as gender preferences of a partner do not change, yes, you could call this lesbian or bi considering Rogue in the Doctor's case. What do you find anoying at the existence of LGBTQ+ people?
@@proserpina4448 I don’t wanna cosplay a character that’s bi as a straight person
Me see the title: "So, Mr Tardis finally sees the propaganda WE have been pointing out all this time?"
The video: Desperately tries to defend the new Doctor Who.
Proving that YOUR propaganda is getting even more desperate.
I like how you don't actually refute anything specific in the video. You're just taking issue with me defending media as a matter of principle.
What's wrong with being woke anyway?
Nothing, it's literally being socially aware, like being against bigotry. The "Anti-Woke" just weaponise it with the rest of their nothing buzzwords
No matter your views on the show it is entering a time like the late 80's towards its cancellation I feel.
I disagree. In the late 80s, the Season premiers charted in the 100s for the week with shows like Coronation Street being viewed by over 20 million people. This season's opener was in the Top 10 and we have iPlayer and catch-up, not even taking into account Disney+.
They’re just going full Anita Sarkisian at this point. To them everything is woke, everything has a message, everything is social justice and you have to call that shit out.
Now I don’t want to get in the validity of Anita’s arguments. I would tend to agree with some of her assessments, but these “anti woke” types detest Anita Sarkisian to the point of absurdity. It’s quite telling that they have now resorted to arguments that they accused her of making.
Where was all this complaining of gender and identity, when hazbin hotel was released?
Why can they not target another show but just Doctor Who
@@midnightmoonwolf7306 it’s because it’s audience is already pretty queer. Part of the bigger picture of these anti woke people is that they go into establish nerd communities and use the “anti woke” stuff to radicalize dudes who are uncomfortable with change, or to merely confirm their own bigotry in their echo chambers.
@@midnightmoonwolf7306 They do you should see what the say about the newer star treks
@@neptune04I've heard bad things about Discovery and the earlier seasons of Picard, but Picard season 3 and Strange New Worlds. I heard they were pretty good.
@@fireflygaming8764 Yes both series had problems I admit and some of the criticism was warranted but the toxicity in some cases WAS NOT.
Absolute balls on the man who can ask a random conservative, were you upset when adric died?
First 2 episodes of new series were boring
My brother keeps calling me sis. We have no 'family values' thank god ps bloodly love Doctor Who. It's the best.
wow, shocked at the Israel Segment.
As a disabled person myself I personally never saw Davros as evil because he was confined to the Dalek chair, he was evil before that the makings of that came when he was a child.
I don't know how to feel about the Davros change, however willing to wait and see what RTD does with it though.
Not shocked at all at the vitriol and fake constirnation regarding the Davros change being a betrayal. Typical conservative thinking all round not only towards disabled people but, people of Colour and LGBT people also.
New we were off to a bad start when he said family values. The Doctor has always been about being different and celebrating that. That's why I resonated with it so much as a child myself.
Hope these opinions will die down soon, however it doesn't look like it's going to stop any time soon unfortunately
7:36 okay Malorie Blackman did more than the noughts and crosses series my man, she's a great writer responsible for "the stuff of nightmares" "boys don't cry" "The London eye murders" and her most famous "thief"
God damn I fucking love her works.
In fairness (to me) I was operating on very little sleep in this video and had zero prep. I just went off what she's most likely most well known for (since 'Noughts and Crosses' also got a big prestige BBC adaptation a few years ago).
@@MrTARDIS I realised after posting the comment that u had very little sleep. That being said I might check out naughts and crosses...had no idea it had been made into a show
@@MrTARDIS also I reccomend the 1990s channel 4 adaptation of theif...that was very good.
oooh I like the vague thumbnail, smart to leave it open to get people on the other side of the debate watching
So why are the ratings so low 🤷🏽♂️
Cause the older fans don’t want a black man playing the doctor, it’s very simple
Woooooow Kevin O’Sullivan and his guest are just tossing that Word Salad aren’t they 🙄
Would you care about its gender. No because you're looking at a lovecraftian thoolou God! 😂😂😂. If i could sub TWICE! I would for that comment alone! ❤
Everytime I hear you say that these people hate women and black people on the screen. I can't tell if you're exaggerating. I mean come on, we've had Diana Rigg in 1965, Earl Cameron, Tommy Eytle, and actor who played Old Billy, (I forgot his name) as main British black actors, and that Verity Lambert suffragette show.
He obviously means the guy in the clip he's reacting to, not like, everyone who's been involved in the British TV industry ever... huh lol?
@@Mooglatan No, I am talking about people like Kevin O'Sullivan and Bowlestrek etc.
Sorry mate, their pronunciation is correct, Ncuti gave an interview where he explained that his mother recently corrected him. You do pronounce the N
...even that new pronunciation sounds nothing like what Kevin said at the beginning.
That was literally the only correct part of kevins pronounciation the first letter
How did you see the Savages? The recon?
I've been thinking about the casting of Doctors recently after watching videos from various channels. To clarify, I've got no problem with Ncuti Gatwa and hope he's a great Doctor. I wasn't the biggest fan of Jodie, but i still enjoyed moments of her run and I think she was always going to be up against it from the outset.
To me, it's very obvious that the BBC and/or other stakeholders noticed the history of the Doctor always being a white male. As a result, they casted Jodie, incorporated Jo Martin's Doctor into the narrative (underrated imo), and then casted Ncuti as the first black male Doctor. I personally think that regardless of what narrative choices they have made or will make, it's clearly an executive choice to remove the whiteness of the character and not be perceived as racist.
So they chose that route... fair enough. There's been benefits to that decision (more opportunities for other actors/actresses), but also negatives. I wonder if the BBC would've made the same decisions if they knew the ratings would take a complete nose dive (viewing habits have changed, but the numbers are undeniably down a large %. Not sure about Disney+ to be fair).
My question is, was there anything wrong with the Doctor actually just being a white male? The show was more successful when a white british man played the part, and appealed to a larger demographic of people overall. I know of women who couldn't care less about Whittaker's Doctor, because she wasn't a "sexy" man that they were attracted to and ultimately wanted to watch. They'd much rather have a white male like Tennant or Smith in the role than their own gender.
Maybe the BBC should have kept the Doctor a white male as it appealed to the majority of the UK's population. The regeneration rule could've been made to have gender and ethnicity locked throughout each regeneration to be the same. Writers could have created great and major characters (Time Lords from the Academy etc) who were black, women, trans, etc.
Diversity has existed in Doctor Who with other characters and companions for a very long time. As time goes on, i think the show may have shot themselves in the foot by changing the Doctor from a purely white male. It's a shame really because Michelle Gomez was great as the Master. It works in theory, but you've gotta consider what the majority of the audience want and have been used to for decades.
Lastly, it kinda looks odd to me that the Doctor would go through multiple ethnicities (timeless child + Jo Martin, a narrative justification to remove the whiteness of the Doctor), then have literally 12 white males. It's just weird in my opinion. May as well have kept it consistent.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on whether there was anything wrong with the Doctor just being a white male.
Well, this question can be answered by anyone very simply.
No there wasn't an issue with The Doctor being a white male. There's also nothing wrong with The Doctor being not a white male either.
Sure, ratings suffered in Jodie's era... But you know what else suffered? *_The writing_*
I love Jodie's era, admittedly, but even I can say that, yes, the writing was flawed.
Maybe, instead of focusing on the race and gender of the person chosen to play The Doctor, you could instead focus on the quality of the stories they were given-
Also, Regeneration is a lottery, it's random, so it stands to chance, there could be 12 white men in a row, and that's just how chance played out-
Ncuti got the role because his audition was the best. End of story.
A point I'd question here is you referring to "they" as if it's all the same people making the decisions here. It's pretty clearly Chris Chibnell's decision that he was going to cast a woman, and it's RTD who cast Ncuti, so it's not all part of the same decision making process. Davies clearly doesn't have a problem casting a white man for the Doctor, because he already did that with Eccleston and Tennant. But I think Ncuti clearly has the star power right now.
I think questioning the oddness of the doctor having "12 white males in a row" from an in universe perspective strikes me oddly too - it's clearly the case that Dr Who is a product of its times, and it would have been radical back in the 60s to be casting non-white character actors in the lead role. People are going to go back to Talons of Weng Chiang and see that however great a story it is, it does also contain actors in yellow-face playing chinese characters - which was seen as acceptable in it's time, but is not acceptable now. It just doesn't make sense to me to think of the casting of past doctors as showing up a huge coincidence in universe the way you have framed it, as if that breaks any suspension of disbelief any more than understanding that the way it was filmed in the past explains why all the alien planets look like studio sets or quarries, or most of the aliens look like men in suits.
I did not like the juvenile campy writing of the first 2 episodes. I wish it would get a little more serious. I haven't seen the 3rd episode yet.
episode 3 is amazing, if you see it several times. First viewing is kind of annoying at some parts.
3rd episode was a massive step up with the seriousness. The stakes were the highest they have been in a while.
73 Yards too is incredibly dark and in no way campy aside from one minor scene, but that comes naturally
I agree with you at some points but you argue so disingenuously it's hard to accept anything you say. It's pretty clear when he referred to pronouns in a special he was referring to the Star Beast he was a month out Jesus Christ.
What's disingenuous?
@@MrTARDISedited
@MrTARDIS regardless of your view on the pronouns that was a ham fisted attempt at pandering. The plot resolution was shoe horned in and it's almost as if rtd only acknowledges trans people as a resultant of a meta crisis f up, Donna's biology was so messed up it's no wonder that the child turned out trans
It is pronounced N-cuti and not shooty. I work with an actual african guy and he laughed when i pronounced it shooty and i showed him the spelling and he said its pronounced N-cuti 😂.
Also did you just call all non-binaries an entity? 😂😂😂
Dang, can you tell Ncuti that he's been saying his own name wrong for his entire life?
@@PlatinumAltaria i strongly suspect hes lied about a lot of things. I don’t think he’s gay i think he’s a closet straight guy as theres no evidence of him anywhere dating men…
@@PlatinumAltaria i imagine he’s lying about a lot of things. I seriously think he’s a closeted straight guy no evidence of him being queer anywhere
@@glazednbased Ncuti Gatwa? Yeah he's straight? Surely that should make you less angry at him.
@@glazednbased imagine coming up with shit like that about people.
nooo Mr. Tardis please tell me you don't watch Vaush!
As a 65 year old Dr Who fan (yes a boomer), I do bemoan the need the include every gender representation, sexual partner choice, physical limitation and race into modern TV for no apparent reason other than check box representation. I agree that everybody has a right to be represented in culture but why all at once and at a relentless level. In my mind recent series have taken a long stroll down a path too far. Please don't compare my approach / views to these two muppets, who quote woke while having no idea of what they are pigeon holing. I do love your work Mr Tardis.
I get what you're saying but I don't think most of the casting is box ticking. Ncuti is an amazing actor, Jodie Whitakker is a great actor, Mandip Gill is great too. They still hold auditions and give parts to who is the best. Ncuti wasn't even the first choice
I do have to agree and I’m all for representation, I’ve got mostly LGBT friends and I will go to bat for any of them. The problem is the abundance, it’s almost like it’s purposely giving the haters ammo. Like that Always A Twist At The End sequence, why did it need to have every race under the sun and multiple people in wheelchairs? Why does every episode have to involve a mention of LGBT people or an appearance from one? It takes what should be good representation and just bombards you with it constantly to the point where it feels like Russell’s just beating you over the head to show you how with it he is.
Like there’s a good way of doing this. Ruby’s canonically bi, explore that further, if Carla is LGBT why not explore that further she would have been LGBT during a time where it was less widely accepted that’s a very fascinating area to explore (hell why not have an episode exploring that, go full Pride and have an episode about the gays and lesbians support the miners protests and have a young Carla be involved). Why does almost every conversation Shirley has have to be based on her being in a wheelchair? The “sorry about the stairs” and Kate’s Toymaker induced meltdown at her is enough she’s a fun enough character on her own and she doesn’t need to be reminding us every time she appears, if anything it just pigeonholes her into “just the wheelchair using character” when she’s much more than that.
Like there’s a good way to do representation and that’s just by making it normal. Don’t constantly point it out, weave it naturally into the story. Carla and Cherry are good examples, they don’t draw attention to the fact they’re a black family who adopted Ruby, they just made them a loving family who you can root for and love seeing work as a unit. If you’re gonna represent then make it an element of the character and the story not the whole story and if it needs to be a more part then do it right. Rosa’s a good example, that explored racism in America at that time really well, and it wasn’t constantly bombarding you with “we’re people of colour!” It actually explored it in a way that was fascinating and showed the ugliness of humanity in what is tragically recent history
@mrcritical6751 I don't see how weaving background characters into a dance number (which sucked) counts as taking over a whole story. But if you can't handle it, that's fine. Everything doesn't have to be for everyone, Who can be in some weird niche like it always has been internationally.
@@bennettnez4711 I didn’t say it was taking over the whole story, I was more just thinking it wasn’t done naturally, it felt very in your face in that moment. Like I can take wheelchair users in media, hell I have nothing bad to say about them in real life, I think the issue I have is when they overuse people of a particular group because then it feels less like they’re trying to organically insert a group into the plot and more like they’re overcompensating
@mrcritical6751 yeah I just can't relate. It's all made up nonsense and magic and Sci fi. Like I'm way more distracted by the fact that his box is bigger on the inside which is EXTREMELY unrealistic. So having a cast that isn't a mirror image of myself is pretty much at the very bottom of my list of logic gripes with the show