What a privilege to have been part of this amazing expedition and to share with others. I hope that no grave robbers will benefit from your discovery. Well done to you all.
Impressed not by such a technical dive well I am but leaving everything undisturbed, moving the bell is not an issue in my mind but you and your team left it there as a mark of respect to the sailors who didn't make it, that's something our world seems to have forgotten .
@@nigel789 maybe we should get rid of the tomb of the unknown soldier!! So those sailors are going to be never remembered for their sacrifice!! I bet you didn't know about them either!
@@admiralcraddock464 The bell and deck-plate should have been retrieved; given the net debris down there the bell will now almost certainly be dragged off the site or lost. HMS Royal Oak and HMS Hood are good precedents. Nobody thought it was remotely immoral to recover and memorialise such key artefacts.
@@clairemccormick7068 Very sorry to hear about your great great grandfather but at least you know his last resting place Human remains don't survive very long underwater unless they are buried. We certainly didn't see any
Thank-you for respecting the look but don't touch rule. May those lost on HMS Nego rest in peace. I wish all diver's would remember that these ships are war graves
Up to the Royal Navy who could have dived the wreck years ago, government policy seems to be to leave everything in place, just think what the nutty press might make of this ships name!
Thanks agrain for sharing, this is definitively a very technical dive considering the depth of the wreck site. Congratulations for finding the bell and keeping it on the bottom.
Congratulations on a fabulous dive and discovery of the wreck...the bell looks fab and so much to look at...class dive...viz was super...top dive from a great dive team ...thank you for sharing....Best wishes...
Hit the jackpot. !! a virgin wreck is rare but to get two identifiers in crystal clear conditions is a divers dream as an ex royal Navy submariner I thank you for giving this wreck a final resting place tribute I think the long bent brass /copper tubing near the ship's bell is the communication voice pipe well done to you and your team Great dive !!
Congratulations and well done. Teamwork, research, technical ability, boat Captain and crew. Historic find and positive identity in one dive. Amazing. 👏👍
Your best video so far for me. Nice steady video footage and seeing the other divers really bought context into the whole story. So special to put closure to a mystery over 100 years old. I really appreciate your respect for the wreck and all the lost souls to. Already looking forward to the next adventure!
Absolutely, the Lost in Water's Deep website has some details of the crew who didn't make it and reading about them breaks my heart - lostinwatersdeep.co.uk/hms-negro.html
What a great dive . Finding the bell and the foot plate with the name was fantastic. I totally agree with your view on leaving those objects down on the wreck. But I also think that perhaps they should have been brought up , to stop some selfish person from taking them and selling them in the future. I bet there are a few divers who only dive for bounty and don’t think of all the souls lost on this wreck. I know you guys have shown total respect. Great video. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I personally think that, you should have had permission to raise the ship's bell or anything with the ship's name on. They are such a rare find. it would of looked so good in the museum at scapa Flow. But wow, what a privilege to dive to such a great wreck. You gave a very good commentary though out of the dive. It's very easy to get disoriented and not understand what you're looking at, especially on video. Well done.❤
I've just found your channel (& subscribed) via FB (& my daughter has just joined Plymouth Sound Divers) Sadly my days of trying this sort of diving are over, but I have always been fascinated with wrecks & their history in my near 40 years of diving.
21:00 Middle - bottom : Why does this looks like a shoe sole ? It can't have survived this long. Anyone has an idea what it is ? We see it again at 21:16 and it really stands out. On another topic, filming in adrenaline-high environments make for strange results sometimes. Don't sweat it, it's already incredibly gracious of you to be sharing all of this with us :) About the bell...I have the conviction the lost sailors would rather see it saved and visible rather than sitting deep, alone. As it is the case with this video you share, this bell is a testimony that these men lived, and died far from home. Cheers.
I've no idea what it is with soles but we see them quite often on wrecks of this age so you may well be right. I also appreciate your comments and completely agree with you about the bell. The best way to keep the memory alive is to put it in an appropriate place, such as a museum
Shoe soles are often well preserved even in worse conditions than these. I have even found pine needles preserved in concretion in a wreck over 300 years old.
What can I say, excellent dive great viz, imagine that wreck in 150` of water it would be stripped bare, it`s good that you respect it as a war grave, brilliant video.
Fantastic! Perfect conditions too - 10c seems warm, I thought it would be colder. I've dived on a few wrecks here in NZ, the best one was The Rainbow Warrior - the Greenpeace ship that the frogs sunk in Auckland harbour in 85 I think it was. She was refloated and moved 250 odd km to the far north of NZ and sunk as a monument/reef in Matauri Bay just off the Cavalli Islands and we sailed up there and tied up to her navy buoy about a year after the sinking when everything was still intact. She lies in 25m and its nice and warm but the sea was full of fish eggs so the viz was crap. Even the wooden decks were still there and all the doors removed so you can go inside but I only went in the wheel house and then a funny thing happened; as I was looking forward through the window I saw some very sinister shapes moving rhythmically towards me thru the murk - reminded me of the Alien surrounded by a cloud of stirred up silt - then it got closer and I almost blew the reg out when I saw that it was two divers doing the tango down the deck towards me! They must have arrived while we were down so that was unexpected and for a moment it looked like I would have to disinfect my suit..The coolest thing by far tho was that the ship has a slight list and the port side is facing north (where the sun is here) and catching the sun and I discovered that the whole side of the ship is covered in bands of different coloured anemone in a natural rainbow! I hung there for ages in awe and almost became religious...Take care down there mate! Love your site - Kia Ora from Aotearoa Peace
Great to hear from you and I'd love to dive in New Zealand - the RMS Niagra is on my bucket list. You're right about the temperature, it only becomes an issue when you're down there a long time!
Big respect for a very ballsy dive, personally I believe that the bell, subject to Admiralty AND Relatives approval AND replacement by a suitable and respectful plaque AND displayed in a suitable museum setting is ok, eg, HMS Hood, just because it was an accident does not lessen the fact that these brave souls still served and stood by to do their duty to the bitter end.
Your knowledge can always, always be polished. Your efforts in diving are commendable. Your safe & time oriented which keeps you safe and alive. You have a jolly, joyful spirit & I certainly thank you for sharing your dive experiences here on youtube. In my youth I had dreamed of diving spanish gallions. I'm a drawing artist. This is how I had expressed my interests in my youth before video games on consoles became seriously enjoyable. Another dream, to fly helicopters professionally for Hollywood was cut short as professional aviation carried me a while before flattenning my every effort. I'm still an artist, as a hobbiest though. I never took up scuba diving because both my older brothers bled from their ears while scuba diving Hawaii. Could be their eye color. Haha Also, I had gotten sucker punched by biggots here in the states. TMJ all the rest of my days, so that I never forget their Random Violence which befell me while I was attending to my own business in getting a full academic education in college. Losers should NEVER be allowed too roam college campuses at will. 😢 Since, my college has stepped up it's security, so that less if at all, any such matters occur today. I'm all for anybody enjoying a drive amongst fellow citizens. So, long as its a civil, responsible roadtrip. Otherwise, stay home. Sleep it off. Yeah, I doubt I'd ever be able too physically enjoy what you do for fun. Though viewing your videos are entertaining. Thank you. Hey, nobody is perfect. " To error is to be human. " Besides, while you evolve & emprove on your life long journey, your films provide viewers with your genuine human qualities. Cheers.
Spectacular dive- I remember when a dive to half that depth was considered pretty technical dive but the new tech is amazing. My vote is recover the bell... put it in a museum with ohotos of the wreck along with the plans and it’s history- if available a ships roster at the time this ship went down - would give them back there names and history. I was surprised how bad a shake this wreck was- is it battle damage, time or destruction from all the drag nets slowly pulling her apart ?
You're correct and 100m isn't really that big a dive any more - lots of people are going far deeper. There is a full roster of people who lost their lives on HMS Negro on the Lost in Waters Deep website which I'd strongly encourage you to read - lostinwatersdeep.co.uk/hms-negro.html
@SuperPirate100 HMS Hoste survived about 3 hours longer and was being towed back to Scapa Flow when it broke it's back and sank SW of Fair Isle. We dived and located the wreck on the day before before the HMS Negro dive so I plan to upload that video at some point
the vessel that jammed her, HMS Hoste, had an even SHORTER life! Hoste was Parker class Destroyer Leader that was launched in Nov 1916 and was lost in Dec 1916 in the collision with HMS Nergo.
I find it absolutely incredible that the bell was just sitting there amongst all the debris and not completely buried I think if you look at what you think is the gun , it is too thin walled to be a gun I bet if you had dived it 40 per 50 years ago it would have been a much more complete boat and over time all the smaller ferrous metal has rusted away fantastic 👍👍🇦🇺
So _finally_ you accept something is ‘passably deep’ … not to mention remote 😉 Great to see the trapezes in place and additional air on station. Must help _hugely_ in holding deco depth for so long. 2.5 hours deco means close-on 3h in the water, and not terribly warm water at that. Do you get much tidal flow there, maybe explaining the clearer conditions, or are you far enough away from ‘everything’ to not see too much flow? A quite amazing dive … and the first ever recorded on the wreck. Quite a first, and an even better record of it to come back with. I think I’m going to need a bigger hat to take off at this rate for you and your co-divers 😊
@iainhunneybell I think it's important to teach all these dives with respect even though that may not always come across in my videos 🤣 We always have strict plans for keeping together during deco and supplying additional gas although the exact mechanics may vary! There are strong currents but I think the clarity is because it is so far away from any significant land, and particularly rivers, combined with a decent clean sand bottom
I was pulling you leg @. You don’t do repeated tech dives of this depth and complexity without incident if you don’t have good dive planning, execution and discipline. The dives you record are extraordinarily, so thank you for sharing. Not many venture to 100m let alone to such remote locations as HMS Negro ❤️
Hello, I don't know you've noticed. But next to the bell at timestamp 11:41 there is a remnant of equipment on the right side of the bell. It appears to be part of the radio equipment from the radio room. I've zoomed in on it and there's definitely a control dial. As well as some copper wire with braided cloth on it and what appears to be conduit and additional components scattered around it. I could be mistaken but it might be a radio component. Sincerely a fan from Texas. 🤠
A better memorial to the fallen would be to retrieve a small number of artefacts, including the bell and footplate, for display at the RN museum in Portsmouth. This not only provides a tangible link and reminder, but ensures they don't just end up being salvaged and sold.
I don't believe the bell serves any purpose sitting amongst the broken wreckage. Since the objective was to identify what's left of the ship, you've accomplished the mission. The Royal Navy likely has an opinion to be regarded.
@steveshovlar994 You may well be right but there are only a very small number of dive boats that have the ability to support diving there. I know all the skippers and would be very surprised if anyone allowed it to be lifted.
Very nice untouched wreck. Just a nitpick but likely most of the well preserved items down there are some alloy of bronze rather than brass. Similar of course but not the same.
@ haha just being a pedant! My dad was a salvage diver back in the day so brought a lot of this stuff up. Brass is used internally but bronze is used externally for things like portholes and deck hardware because brasses are softer and less corrosion resistant (for those who don’t know)
That might be a problem, officially all sunk royal navy ships still belong to the navy. Its listed as a war grave and the divers gave the wreck a lot of respect which I do like. HMS Negro was a M class destroyer launched May 8th 1916 and was sunk in a collision with HMS Hoste which was also lost from the collision.
Its definitely the gun, its upside down and half buried, the round bit at the top is the mounting and you can see the gun mechanicals between the barrel and the mounting. If you ever go back look in the barrel closely and I bet you'll see rifling.
Just wondering is that an insole from a leather shoe or boot, at 21.21 next to the foot plate to the right. Moving the bell on the wreck is ok, but from the wreck is a no no. Great vid.
Did you find HMS Hoste too? My understanding is it was responsible for the sinking of HMS Negro and also sank nearby. Excellent videos. My only critique is I wish you would add a little more history about the vessel and how it sank. Other than that, keep up the great work!
Yes we did, HMS Hoste was the day before. It's upside down so not quite as many interesting things to see but still another stunning dive that I'll post at some point! Thanks for the suggestion on history and I always mean to do that but get wrapped up in other things on my commentary ....
@arkansasboy45 It's a very sad story, she collided with another destroyer (HMS Hoste) knocking two depth charges off the stern that then exploded under Negro which explains why it is in two pieces. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Negro_(1916)
Cracking video, thank you. I'm interesting in the way you send the 'pellet'? up to tell surface that the shot line is in place. We normally send up a pink smb. What are you using? I like the idea of sending the floaty bit up the shot, but on our rig it would hit the line to the trapeze, is your trapeze not connected to the shot line?
Amazing video and experience. I recently was certified on Helitrox to 50M and curious to know if you are running a line back to the shot line while you are navigating the ship. I saw what looked like one when you were photographing the bell, but you also mentioned lots of line and netting tangled. Just curious if you are you navigating around the wreck and using the layout (along with the strobe) to make it back to the shot line for ascent or running a line or anything else? If the conditions had been worse (low visibility, high current) would that process have been different?
Well done on getting your helitrox. It's relatively unusual for us to use distance lines on the bottom as we're all pretty adept at navigating ourselves around wrecks but we do carry/use them when vis is very poor. Deep diving in strong currents is not a good idea due the build up of CO2 caused by working hard so we spend a lot of time ensuring we dive on slack.
For me, I hope that you have given totally ficticious coordinates for this wreck, because we all know that once this story is out there, you're going to get less scrupulous people with plunder in their minds.
Wouldnt it be possible to store a giant trimix tank underwater for refilling the bottles of the divers on top of the wrack so they can stay underwater for many hours? Something like airplanes do with fuel refueling in the air?
You get very cold in those waters, professional divers have hot water supply from the surface, exhaustion can set in really quickly swimming anywhere around the British Isles.
Spot on, shortage of gas isn't the issue (especially with a rebreather). The limiting factor is how much time we're willing to spend decompressing which is determined by things like water temperature and the surface support
The price for this will be decompression time, and it will take not hours, but days! For example, for deep sea commercial (saturation) divers, decompression time can take weeks, depending on the depth. Again, unlike technical divers, commercial divers spend their decompression time not in the water, but on board the ship inside pressure chamber where their have beds, hot meals, toilet and even shower.
Can I ask why don't you bring the Bell up? And I don't mean for yourself but for a Navy museum being that they are well sought after or even for yourself because it does no good being left down there
Others on the team believed it should be left down there so that was the decision that we made. Unfortunately, the Navy don't tend to be interested in wrecks like this
This is not a criticism, but both the bell and the deck-plate should have been recovered - or should now be recovered with some urgency - as the evidence of nets on the wreck indicates that the bell may now well be moved and/or lost. Royal Oak's bell was saved, as was Hoods, and as I didn't even know there was an HMS Negro, it's apparent that the ship's lost could now be commemorated and remembered if those objects formed a publicly visible shrine. It is not disrespectful to recover and henceforth glorify items which exemplify great sacrifice in time of war.
I agree with you but others have strong views to the contrary. We discussed this on the boat before the dive and agreed that we'd leave everything in situ. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, the Navy don't seem to be that interested :(
@@D33pUK Thanks for getting back to me. Having served 22 years in the RN, I agree with your take on the navy's rather unimpressive record on historical recognition, particularly of the smaller warships. I researched 20th century mutinies and was told there were possibly two of note. I actually found more than a dozen. Couple of things... I know of very few visible public recognitions of lost destroyers. In my opinion, the recovery of the bell would justify itself precisely because it is precariously sited, and its gift to a museum would create such recognition. Such a gift would also ensure it was never sold privately. Her links with Scapa would almost certainly guarantee that the regional museums up there would welcome the bell and undertake its restoration. More so, if it were handed over with some still photos. The name itself may cause some official reticence about recovery, however it should be noted the term is simply Portuguese for the colour 'black.' Many of her crew were saved, and I highly doubt they would want their shipmates to stay unknown and forgotten. That said, you are to be commended for your professionalism and respectful approach. Some would have felt entitled to take such artefacts and make gain from them, simply as an offset for the risks taken. Nice job.
The object you thought was the gun? You were correct, the "naval officer" is a fool. Guns on wrecks don't fall off and roll a long way, due size and shape. Also, guns on this early type of destroyer weren't that big compared to later ships guns. Logic also says it's in the right location, you found nothing else forward apart from the hawse pipes, so that was the gun.
You are actually disrespecting those that died by NOT bringing the bell up so people can know about those sailors and the negro ship!! I've never heard of that ship and I bet a lot of people who see this haven't either. Honor those sailors one day by retrieving the bell!
I can think of a few more important and relevant reasons to not use that name today which have nothing to do with political correctness, nothing at all.
I see nothing wrong with bringing up artifacts . If you found some bones and started bringing up skulls and bones then hell yes. I you dont recover it then it just rots away I say bring up the bell and let people see it or any other artifacts , YOu are not disturbing any graves just bringing pieces of the ship up I say for for it !
Thank you for leaving things alone and not removing ... Mad respect to you guys. I hope that others will have the same respect leaving it
I can't imagine it will be dived any time soon so I reckon it will be there for a while longer!
What a privilege to have been part of this amazing expedition and to share with others. I hope that no grave robbers will benefit from your discovery. Well done to you all.
It's a very difficult site to reach so I can't imagine anyone else will get there 🤞
Incredible, as a former sport diver I know how hard just diving to 100 feet is, but to bring back such good footage from much deeper is a triumph.
Thanks really appreciate that from another diver
I really enjoy these videos. I appreciate the dignity that you afford these wrecks and their crews. Thanks for sharing
Impressed not by such a technical dive well I am but leaving everything undisturbed, moving the bell is not an issue in my mind but you and your team left it there as a mark of respect to the sailors who didn't make it, that's something our world seems to have forgotten .
Thank you
What a cool wreck, so much brass laying around! That footplate, was as epic as the bell!
Agreed, and definitely rarer!
Well done for not removing the bell. Great respect.
@@nigel789 maybe we should get rid of the tomb of the unknown soldier!! So those sailors are going to be never remembered for their sacrifice!! I bet you didn't know about them either!
@@nigel789 but they can bring up stuff from the Titanic!!
The problem is, with technology getting better every year, how long will it be before some one takes it, as is happening on other wrecks.
@@admiralcraddock464
The bell and deck-plate should have been retrieved; given the net debris down there the bell will now almost certainly be dragged off the site or lost.
HMS Royal Oak and HMS Hood are good precedents. Nobody thought it was remotely immoral to recover and memorialise such key artefacts.
@@garyschwertfeger6448 It's not a war grave.
Fabulous..... people like yourself, Rick and other divers who risk your lives to look and find our fallen.....thank you.
I appreciate you taking the time to say that 👍
Being a Northsea diver myself, I really loved watching this video . Respect for the depth and technicalities. The wreck is really beautiful.
Thanks and everything about the dive was very special.
Great to see the footage but with teary eyes. My relative PO Stoker Bob Savage could be amongst those boilers somewhere
I've just looked Bob up on the LIWD website and he seems like a real character. I assume you're related through his daughter Jessie?
My great grandfather William Harmer - lead stoker. Would any remains have been found?
@@clairemccormick7068 Very sorry to hear about your great great grandfather but at least you know his last resting place
Human remains don't survive very long underwater unless they are buried. We certainly didn't see any
Thank-you for respecting the look but don't touch rule. May those lost on HMS Nego rest in peace. I wish all diver's would remember that these ships are war graves
Such an Untrusting world. Found the souls resting . I would say Retreive The Bell as 99.99.% Sombody will remove it .well done nice clear vid
Thanks and I agree, much better to be safe on the surface.
Up to the Royal Navy who could have dived the wreck years ago, government policy seems to be to leave everything in place, just think what the nutty press might make of this ships name!
Thanks agrain for sharing, this is definitively a very technical dive considering the depth of the wreck site. Congratulations for finding the bell and keeping it on the bottom.
Thank you👍
Thank you for another fascinating video, how you manage to make sense of anything on such a wreck is beyond me.
I've dived lots of heavily broken wrecks and you learn what to look for so that you can make sense of them. It doesn't always happen though!
Identifying the wreck and leave the bell. Well done! Awesome footage. Rest in peace brave crew….
Thank you and glad you enjoyed it!
Congratulations on a fabulous dive and discovery of the wreck...the bell looks fab and so much to look at...class dive...viz was super...top dive from a great dive team ...thank you for sharing....Best wishes...
Glad you enjoyed it, dive took place in 2023 but it still gives me a buzz thinking about it
@D33pUK thanks alot...brilliant
Hit the jackpot. !! a virgin wreck is rare but to get two identifiers in crystal clear conditions is a divers dream as an ex royal Navy submariner I thank you for giving this wreck a final resting place tribute I think the long bent brass /copper tubing near the ship's bell is the communication voice pipe well done to you and your team Great dive !!
Thank you - really appreciate your comments and agree that the tubing is a voice pipe.
finding the bell its the stuff diving dreams are made of. Amazing video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
You were spot on, as a boat angler, I was salivating watching your footage.
Great dive film 👍
@@shodi2259 Thanks, certainly enough fish to keep any angler happy 😁
What a fantastic dive and a great discovery
Thank you 👍
Perfect visibility! And I think I spotted the bell almost instantly too.
What a fantastic dive, congratulations!
Well done and glad you enjoyed it!
what a super find well done all involved,great video fully enjoyed it .
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Congratulations and well done. Teamwork, research, technical ability, boat Captain and crew. Historic find and positive identity in one dive. Amazing. 👏👍
Thank you very much!
Your best video so far for me. Nice steady video footage and seeing the other divers really bought context into the whole story. So special to put closure to a mystery over 100 years old. I really appreciate your respect for the wreck and all the lost souls to.
Already looking forward to the next adventure!
Thanks for the feedback, having the camera on the scooter definitely produces better quality video
Great video, incredible dive, visibility was just amazing,such an amazing thing finding the ships bell👍👌😀
Thank you and it was an incredibly special dive!
Bless all those poor lads RIP 🌹
Absolutely, the Lost in Water's Deep website has some details of the crew who didn't make it and reading about them breaks my heart - lostinwatersdeep.co.uk/hms-negro.html
Awesome ! Lots of things to see
The ship was built in Jarrow, but the three drum water tube boilers are of the Yarrow design. Great video! ❤
Thanks - my mistake! I can't update the audio but have corrected the sub titles
Im just mesmerized by your videos, great fing job man.
Thanks so much, glad you're enjoying them!
Awesome dive, thanks as always for the great video!
@@ryanznamierowski214 Glad you enjoyed it, should have another out this week 👍
Amazing footage!
Thanks a lot!
What a great dive . Finding the bell and the foot plate with the name was fantastic. I totally agree with your view on leaving those objects down on the wreck. But I also think that perhaps they should have been brought up , to stop some selfish person from taking them and selling them in the future. I bet there are a few divers who only dive for bounty and don’t think of all the souls lost on this wreck. I know you guys have shown total respect. Great video. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Good to see James H, James G and Michal with you. Sound guys who would have supported you if you had needed them😊
Absolutely, they're all great mates who I trust implicitly
I personally think that, you should have had permission to raise the ship's bell or anything with the ship's name on. They are such a rare find.
it would of looked so good in the museum at scapa Flow.
But wow, what a privilege to dive to such a great wreck.
You gave a very good commentary though out of the dive.
It's very easy to get disoriented and not understand what you're looking at, especially on video.
Well done.❤
Thanks and I agree with you about the bell ..... unfortunately not everyone feels the same so we'd agreed to leave everything down there.
I don’t think any museum would display THAT name nowadays.
@@boataxe4605 thats a shame, it was the sign of the times and is real history.
I've just found your channel (& subscribed) via FB (& my daughter has just joined Plymouth Sound Divers) Sadly my days of trying this sort of diving are over, but I have always been fascinated with wrecks & their history in my near 40 years of diving.
They're a great club who cater for divers at all levels. I'm sure your daughter will get to do some great diving!
21:00 Middle - bottom : Why does this looks like a shoe sole ? It can't have survived this long. Anyone has an idea what it is ? We see it again at 21:16 and it really stands out.
On another topic, filming in adrenaline-high environments make for strange results sometimes. Don't sweat it, it's already incredibly gracious of you to be sharing all of this with us :)
About the bell...I have the conviction the lost sailors would rather see it saved and visible rather than sitting deep, alone. As it is the case with this video you share, this bell is a testimony that these men lived, and died far from home.
Cheers.
I've no idea what it is with soles but we see them quite often on wrecks of this age so you may well be right. I also appreciate your comments and completely agree with you about the bell. The best way to keep the memory alive is to put it in an appropriate place, such as a museum
Shoe soles are often well preserved even in worse conditions than these.
I have even found pine needles preserved in concretion in a wreck over 300 years old.
in the Titanic's debris field, there are lots of shoes still
What can I say, excellent dive great viz, imagine that wreck in 150` of water it would be stripped bare, it`s good that you respect it as a war grave, brilliant video.
Thank you!
Wow very impressive great to see a really safe dive and team,so much more to see down there job done
Thanks!
8:18 all that copper tubing is voice tubes from the ships bridge for shouting orders to other parts of the ship.
Thanks 👍
Pipe down you lot!
Fantastic! Perfect conditions too - 10c seems warm, I thought it would be colder. I've dived on a few wrecks here in NZ, the best one was The Rainbow Warrior - the Greenpeace ship that the frogs sunk in Auckland harbour in 85 I think it was. She was refloated and moved 250 odd km to the far north of NZ and sunk as a monument/reef in Matauri Bay just off the Cavalli Islands and we sailed up there and tied up to her navy buoy about a year after the sinking when everything was still intact. She lies in 25m and its nice and warm but the sea was full of fish eggs so the viz was crap. Even the wooden decks were still there and all the doors removed so you can go inside but I only went in the wheel house and then a funny thing happened; as I was looking forward through the window I saw some very sinister shapes moving rhythmically towards me thru the murk - reminded me of the Alien surrounded by a cloud of stirred up silt - then it got closer and I almost blew the reg out when I saw that it was two divers doing the tango down the deck towards me! They must have arrived while we were down so that was unexpected and for a moment it looked like I would have to disinfect my suit..The coolest thing by far tho was that the ship has a slight list and the port side is facing north (where the sun is here) and catching the sun and I discovered that the whole side of the ship is covered in bands of different coloured anemone in a natural rainbow! I hung there for ages in awe and almost became religious...Take care down there mate! Love your site - Kia Ora from Aotearoa Peace
Great to hear from you and I'd love to dive in New Zealand - the RMS Niagra is on my bucket list.
You're right about the temperature, it only becomes an issue when you're down there a long time!
Big respect for a very ballsy dive,
personally I believe that the bell, subject to Admiralty AND Relatives approval AND replacement by a suitable and respectful plaque AND displayed in a suitable museum setting is ok, eg, HMS Hood,
just because it was an accident does not lessen the fact that these brave souls still served and stood by to do their duty to the bitter end.
Thank You
Your knowledge can always, always be polished.
Your efforts in diving are commendable.
Your safe & time oriented which keeps you safe and alive.
You have a jolly, joyful spirit & I certainly thank you for sharing your dive experiences here on youtube.
In my youth I had dreamed of diving spanish gallions. I'm a drawing artist. This is how I had expressed my interests in my youth before video games on consoles became seriously enjoyable.
Another dream, to fly helicopters professionally for Hollywood was cut short as professional aviation carried me a while before flattenning my every effort.
I'm still an artist, as a hobbiest though.
I never took up scuba diving because both my older brothers bled from their ears while scuba diving Hawaii.
Could be their eye color. Haha
Also, I had gotten sucker punched by biggots here in the states.
TMJ all the rest of my days, so that I never forget their Random Violence which befell me while I was attending to my own business in getting a full academic education in college. Losers should NEVER be allowed too roam college campuses at will.
😢
Since, my college has stepped up it's security, so that less if at all, any such matters occur today.
I'm all for anybody enjoying a drive amongst fellow citizens. So, long as its a civil, responsible roadtrip.
Otherwise, stay home.
Sleep it off.
Yeah, I doubt I'd ever be able too physically enjoy what you do for fun.
Though viewing your videos are entertaining.
Thank you.
Hey, nobody is perfect.
" To error is to be human. "
Besides, while you evolve & emprove on your life long journey, your films provide viewers with your genuine human qualities.
Cheers.
Great video, cheers!
Thanks!
Amazing footage and big dive that.well done.
Thanks 👍
Spectacular dive- I remember when a dive to half that depth was considered pretty technical dive but the new tech is amazing. My vote is recover the bell... put it in a museum with ohotos of the wreck along with the plans and it’s history- if available a ships roster at the time this ship went down - would give them back there names and history. I was surprised how bad a shake this wreck was- is it battle damage, time or destruction from all the drag nets slowly pulling her apart ?
You're correct and 100m isn't really that big a dive any more - lots of people are going far deeper.
There is a full roster of people who lost their lives on HMS Negro on the Lost in Waters Deep website which I'd strongly encourage you to read - lostinwatersdeep.co.uk/hms-negro.html
Excellent video thank you. Would have been interesting to know the background to the sinking.
Yes and I'm sorry for not including more, you may wish to visit the wiki page - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Negro_(1916)
Amazing footage , rhe collision with HMS Hoste was a tragedy, presumeably her wreck isnt so far away .
@SuperPirate100 HMS Hoste survived about 3 hours longer and was being towed back to Scapa Flow when it broke it's back and sank SW of Fair Isle. We dived and located the wreck on the day before before the HMS Negro dive so I plan to upload that video at some point
Great looking dive & an amazing wreck. Not jealous at all 😂
Thanks!
Sad that this vessel had such a short service life as a result of accident & catastrophe!
the vessel that jammed her, HMS Hoste, had an even SHORTER life! Hoste was Parker class Destroyer Leader that was launched in Nov 1916 and was lost in Dec 1916 in the collision with HMS Nergo.
Congratulations and well done
Thanks 👍
I find it absolutely incredible that the bell was just sitting there amongst all the debris and not completely buried
I think if you look at what you think is the gun , it is too thin walled to be a gun
I bet if you had dived it 40 per 50 years ago it would have been a much more complete boat and over time all the smaller ferrous metal has rusted away fantastic 👍👍🇦🇺
I think your point about the thickness of the barrel of the 'gun' is the most convincing argument and was one made by a few people onboard
So _finally_ you accept something is ‘passably deep’ … not to mention remote 😉 Great to see the trapezes in place and additional air on station. Must help _hugely_ in holding deco depth for so long. 2.5 hours deco means close-on 3h in the water, and not terribly warm water at that. Do you get much tidal flow there, maybe explaining the clearer conditions, or are you far enough away from ‘everything’ to not see too much flow? A quite amazing dive … and the first ever recorded on the wreck. Quite a first, and an even better record of it to come back with. I think I’m going to need a bigger hat to take off at this rate for you and your co-divers 😊
@iainhunneybell I think it's important to teach all these dives with respect even though that may not always come across in my videos 🤣 We always have strict plans for keeping together during deco and supplying additional gas although the exact mechanics may vary!
There are strong currents but I think the clarity is because it is so far away from any significant land, and particularly rivers, combined with a decent clean sand bottom
I was pulling you leg @. You don’t do repeated tech dives of this depth and complexity without incident if you don’t have good dive planning, execution and discipline. The dives you record are extraordinarily, so thank you for sharing. Not many venture to 100m let alone to such remote locations as HMS Negro ❤️
@@iainhunneybell This week's will be about finding the USS Jacob Jones which was in 115 metres and 60 miles SW of the Scilly Isles - another corker!
Hello, I don't know you've noticed. But next to the bell at timestamp 11:41 there is a remnant of equipment on the right side of the bell.
It appears to be part of the radio equipment from the radio room.
I've zoomed in on it and there's definitely a control dial. As well as some copper wire with braided cloth on it and what appears to be conduit and additional components scattered around it.
I could be mistaken but it might be a radio component.
Sincerely a fan from Texas. 🤠
Yes I've seen that as well and agree it is definitely something electrical. Just another object that I'd have loved to have studied in more detail.
Wow wow wow amazing, thanks! I used to dive i old mines only 2x18 and side mount!
A better memorial to the fallen would be to retrieve a small number of artefacts, including the bell and footplate, for display at the RN museum in Portsmouth. This not only provides a tangible link and reminder, but ensures they don't just end up being salvaged and sold.
I couldn't agree more
amazing video and congratulations on finding the bell
i feel your pain on the 2.5 hour deco i get bored just doing half hour lol
Thanks, mainly I read a kindle which does help pass the time!
Really enjoyed watching this..and love the English accent..I'll lay odds on you were in the Services...
I certainly was - ex Army!
@@D33pUK, Haa!! I knew it...
I don't believe the bell serves any purpose sitting amongst the broken wreckage. Since the objective was to identify what's left of the ship, you've accomplished the mission. The Royal Navy likely has an opinion to be regarded.
I was surprised but the Navy weren't really that interested in it. Bit disappointing really.
Una gran inmersión 👍✨✨✨
Thank you!
Should have retrieved the bell. Next diver on the wreck will take that. Better in a museum than in someone’s living room.
@steveshovlar994 You may well be right but there are only a very small number of dive boats that have the ability to support diving there. I know all the skippers and would be very surprised if anyone allowed it to be lifted.
Hello Great videos once again. I am curious about your strobe brand. They look great! What's the brand? Thank
Thanks and I've got two different strobes; one is Himax(Nautilus) and the other is Shark. Both very good
Very nice untouched wreck. Just a nitpick but likely most of the well preserved items down there are some alloy of bronze rather than brass. Similar of course but not the same.
Thanks and of course you're correct, blame laziness on my part!
@ haha just being a pedant! My dad was a salvage diver back in the day so brought a lot of this stuff up. Brass is used internally but bronze is used externally for things like portholes and deck hardware because brasses are softer and less corrosion resistant (for those who don’t know)
I dont feel their souls would mind if you brought the bell up to make an official memoriol to them 😢😢😊
Me neither!
That might be a problem, officially all sunk royal navy ships still belong to the navy. Its listed as a war grave and the divers gave the wreck a lot of respect which I do like. HMS Negro was a M class destroyer launched May 8th 1916 and was sunk in a collision with HMS Hoste which was also lost from the collision.
Its definitely the gun, its upside down and half buried, the round bit at the top is the mounting and you can see the gun mechanicals between the barrel and the mounting. If you ever go back look in the barrel closely and I bet you'll see rifling.
We had a long debate on this exact topic🤣I'd definitely like another look but doubt very much it will happen!
Just wondering is that an insole from a leather shoe or boot, at 21.21 next to the foot plate to the right.
Moving the bell on the wreck is ok, but from the wreck is a no no.
Great vid.
You could be right, shoe soles do survive well underwater!
Did you find HMS Hoste too? My understanding is it was responsible for the sinking of HMS Negro and also sank nearby. Excellent videos. My only critique is I wish you would add a little more history about the vessel and how it sank. Other than that, keep up the great work!
Yes we did, HMS Hoste was the day before. It's upside down so not quite as many interesting things to see but still another stunning dive that I'll post at some point! Thanks for the suggestion on history and I always mean to do that but get wrapped up in other things on my commentary ....
Well done all. Another KH success!
Absolutely, he continues to be responsible for some of the most significant wreck discoveries in recent years (Jason, Negro, Hoste, Hawke, etc)
That was a great dive. So what happened to her?
@arkansasboy45 It's a very sad story, she collided with another destroyer (HMS Hoste) knocking two depth charges off the stern that then exploded under Negro which explains why it is in two pieces.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Negro_(1916)
Another awesome video, do we need to add footplates to the tier system?
Definitely tier 1
Cracking video, thank you.
I'm interesting in the way you send the 'pellet'? up to tell surface that the shot line is in place. We normally send up a pink smb. What are you using? I like the idea of sending the floaty bit up the shot, but on our rig it would hit the line to the trapeze, is your trapeze not connected to the shot line?
Our normal procedure is that the second pair take in the lazy shot (with trapeze) which avoids the problem you describe
What is the design of the yellow Rebreather? It looks like an APValves Evolution but with smaller cylinder chassis?
You're right, it's an AP Evolution but in a G-box which is an aftermarket box/chassis - www.g-box.co.uk/gallery
Amazing video and experience. I recently was certified on Helitrox to 50M and curious to know if you are running a line back to the shot line while you are navigating the ship. I saw what looked like one when you were photographing the bell, but you also mentioned lots of line and netting tangled. Just curious if you are you navigating around the wreck and using the layout (along with the strobe) to make it back to the shot line for ascent or running a line or anything else? If the conditions had been worse (low visibility, high current) would that process have been different?
Well done on getting your helitrox. It's relatively unusual for us to use distance lines on the bottom as we're all pretty adept at navigating ourselves around wrecks but we do carry/use them when vis is very poor. Deep diving in strong currents is not a good idea due the build up of CO2 caused by working hard so we spend a lot of time ensuring we dive on slack.
@@D33pUK - Thanks for the reply! really appreciate the response and the awesome content.
Have you done a video describing the methods used when diving to such depths? I'm sure many non- divers like myself would find it enlightening.
I haven't but others have suggested it. Sounds like a winter project!
@D33pUK thanks for both replies. You're a lot braver than I am. Not done anything other than a little snorkeling. 😀
For me, I hope that you have given totally ficticious coordinates for this wreck, because we all know that once this story is out there, you're going to get less scrupulous people with plunder in their minds.
The best protection is that it's very remote and deep!
how much did it cost?
I dread to think 😂
How long you been down 328.5 feet is deep rest spots needed for sure
That dive required about 2.5 hours decompression after 25 mins on the bottom!
Where can we see Ricks photos etc
Best place is probably his Facebook profile - facebook.com/rick.ayrton.1
Pollock?
I think you're correct!
@@D33pUK Not only pollock, there was cod, coalfish, Ling, Conger eel and what looked like a torsk
Incredible find. Today some folks would be having fits over her name.
Different times, I don't think we should judge people using modern standards!
Wouldnt it be possible to store a giant trimix tank underwater for refilling the bottles of the divers on top of the wrack so they can stay underwater for many hours? Something like airplanes do with fuel refueling in the air?
You get very cold in those waters, professional divers have hot water supply from the surface, exhaustion can set in really quickly swimming anywhere around the British Isles.
Spot on, shortage of gas isn't the issue (especially with a rebreather). The limiting factor is how much time we're willing to spend decompressing which is determined by things like water temperature and the surface support
The price for this will be decompression time, and it will take not hours, but days!
For example, for deep sea commercial (saturation) divers, decompression time can take weeks, depending on the depth. Again, unlike technical divers, commercial divers spend their decompression time not in the water, but on board the ship inside pressure chamber where their have beds, hot meals, toilet and even shower.
LEST WE FORGET
In ocean wastes no poppies blow,
No crosses stand in ordered row ........
Can I ask why don't you bring the Bell up? And I don't mean for yourself but for a Navy museum being that they are well sought after or even for yourself because it does no good being left down there
Others on the team believed it should be left down there so that was the decision that we made. Unfortunately, the Navy don't tend to be interested in wrecks like this
Excuse me, when did a Yarrow boiler become a Jarrow boiler???? This is a new type to me.
I'm hanging my head in shame ...... I did correct it in the subtitles though!
@@D33pUK : I did see that. Journalistic credibility can be lost in an instant with a simple trivial error picked up by a passing Nerd!!!!!!
@@stuartmccall5474 🤣 thank you for making me chuckle!
This is not a criticism, but both the bell and the deck-plate should have been recovered - or should now be recovered with some urgency - as the evidence of nets on the wreck indicates that the bell may now well be moved and/or lost.
Royal Oak's bell was saved, as was Hoods, and as I didn't even know there was an HMS Negro, it's apparent that the ship's lost could now be commemorated and remembered if those objects formed a publicly visible shrine.
It is not disrespectful to recover and henceforth glorify items which exemplify great sacrifice in time of war.
I agree with you but others have strong views to the contrary. We discussed this on the boat before the dive and agreed that we'd leave everything in situ. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, the Navy don't seem to be that interested :(
@@D33pUK
Thanks for getting back to me. Having served 22 years in the RN, I agree with your take on the navy's rather unimpressive record on historical recognition, particularly of the smaller warships. I researched 20th century mutinies and was told there were possibly two of note. I actually found more than a dozen.
Couple of things...
I know of very few visible public recognitions of lost destroyers. In my opinion, the recovery of the bell would justify itself precisely because it is precariously sited, and its gift to a museum would create such recognition. Such a gift would also ensure it was never sold privately.
Her links with Scapa would almost certainly guarantee that the regional museums up there would welcome the bell and undertake its restoration. More so, if it were handed over with some still photos.
The name itself may cause some official reticence about recovery, however it should be noted the term is simply Portuguese for the colour 'black.'
Many of her crew were saved, and I highly doubt they would want their shipmates to stay unknown and forgotten.
That said, you are to be commended for your professionalism and respectful approach. Some would have felt entitled to take such artefacts and make gain from them, simply as an offset for the risks taken.
Nice job.
The Hood lost 1400 men, and they recovered her bell. I suppose it would up to the Navy if they wanted bring up this ship's bell.
HMS Hood's bell was recovered by Paul Allen from Microsoft!
The object you thought was the gun? You were correct, the "naval officer" is a fool. Guns on wrecks don't fall off and roll a long way, due size and shape. Also, guns on this early type of destroyer weren't that big compared to later ships guns. Logic also says it's in the right location, you found nothing else forward apart from the hawse pipes, so that was the gun.
The other divers did reckon they saw it forward off the starboard side where I didn't go!
Don’t mean to be pedantic but 100 metres is 328 feet.
Fair call!
I think the bell should be up on land and in a memorial so people can relate to the ship , not like you taking some personal item ..... Bring it up
I agree. Can't imagine I will ever dive it again though so that's up to the next people on it!
I believe those fish are Atlantic cod😊
A mixture of different types I believe, but definitely some cod in there
She is a war grave and must be shown due respect.
An old bike frame, a shopping trolly.......
Great video. But all that godamn ghost gear...it never stops fishing.
Thanks!
You are actually disrespecting those that died by NOT bringing the bell up so people can know about those sailors and the negro ship!! I've never heard of that ship and I bet a lot of people who see this haven't either. Honor those sailors one day by retrieving the bell!
Not really because he/ they need permission from the MOD TO REMOVE ANY ARTIFACTS
Sad that so many went down on her all because of an accident
Surely if it’s a war grave it shouldn’t be fished on
The HMS what!?
Clearly the word was used in a very different context then!
Hey,at least it’s only the second worst n word!
"HMS Negro", I suppose nowadays political correctness would not permit such a name ...
Different times and standards!
I can think of a few more important and relevant reasons to not use that name today which have nothing to do with political correctness, nothing at all.
The majority of those fish are Atlantic Cod... Good eating. ;)
I see nothing wrong with bringing up artifacts . If you found some bones and started bringing up skulls and bones then hell yes. I you dont recover it then it just rots away I say bring up the bell and let people see it or any other artifacts , YOu are not disturbing any graves just bringing pieces of the ship up I say for for it !
That's my view as well but others on the trip disagreed so we went with their approach
100 mts is enough information. Let them do the math