I was stationed on the USS Haleakala AE-25 which was home ported in Guam in '93. One of the first things you hear about when arriving at Naval Station Guam is about the two ships sitting keel to keel in the Harbor. My division GM1 was a certified dive instructor and talked about this wreck. I was going to get certified but didn't due to an injury and it was right after that that 3 divers died on the wreck, I know 2 were Air force and I think the third was navy but I don't really remember. This is an interesting video brings back some memories.
My dad was stationed at Guam in the early to mid 80’s. Took my mom with him then had me in while there. I remember my dad said there was a couple of abandoned Sherman’s stuck on a hill somewhere? I wonder if they’re still there?
Deep Sea Detectives is a show that I also miss a lot... John Chatterton and Richie Kohler are absolute legends. Awesome video as always and thanks for being a part of my Sunday morning routine. Merry Christmas as well 🎄
@@ironiczombie2530yea me too. John and Richie are awesome hosts. Watching John go down the well in oak Island was nuts. Pitch black, tiny little space. No thanks !
Ah Deep Sea detectives when the History channel actually ran shows about history as opposed to tawdry reality shows My favorite dive that they did was on HMHS Britannic were Richie Kohler nearly got into the boiler room that allegedly had the watertight door which didn't closed because of the shock wave from the mine that sank the Britannic
While my family was living on Guam in 1967, a high school friend of mine was told that there was a WWI "German Battle Ship" sunk in Apra Harbor and roughly where it was. He and I sailed his Sunfish sailboat out from the public marina on the harbor with our snorkeling gear. We were surprised when we did not find a Dreadnought type battle ship like we expected. But two ships and no guns. We snorkeled around on the surface and the visibility was good enough to see that they were both on their side but otherwise mostly intact. We had no idea about the whole story but later found a section of a cemetery in Agaña where the remains of some of the sailors from the Cormoran were buried. Some had died during the scuttling while most had died due to natural causes during the time that the ship was impounded before the United States entered the war.
We lived on Guam years ago and dove on the Cormoran and the Tokai many times. There's a great book on the Cormaran called "The Flight of the Cormoran" by Herbert Ward, who rediscovered the wreck in the 1960's. After escaping from Tsingtao, Cormoran briefly sailed with Von Spee and the German East Asian Squadron
The propellor hub at 8:50 seems to show the attachment studs for a blade still intact rather than broken off with the blade possibly indicating a salvage removal.
Hello Skynea. For some recent high quality wreck dive videos, you may want to see Max Gleeson's YT dive on IJN destroyer Oite in Truk lagoon and several mercantile wrecks off eastern Australia
I am actually surprised with great number of ships that have sunk before ww1 during ww1 and the same with ww2 , that we don't see more ship wreaks laying close to each other. Especially any ships that wore part of any conveys.
There were actually THREE LUSITANIA'S. ALL of them were wrecked. There was EVEN another TITANIC (years after the famous one). She is SO obscure (and was SO tiny), I have only seen one reference even to her EXISTENCE - but THAT came in a short article of the TITANIC COMMUTATOR (journal of the TITANIC Historical Society) in the '80's, so the story can be considered legit. There is no other mention anywhere of this other "TITANIC" that I have ever see, but, considering the source, it has to be true
I suspect the Japanese salvaged the Cormoran's screws, shafts and guns during the war. Their resources were limited, and it makes sense that they would salvage and reuse everything they could.
My uncle’s cousin Hans served as a engineer on the raider Thor He was stuck in Japan after it blew up And then spent the next 2 years working the harbors in a tug boat
I knew nothing of this vessel myself, but I know of no other (at least, off the top of my head) instance of one wreck "landing on top" of another. ANOTHER truly remarkable thing not mentioned: that CORMORAN'S two funnels remain still attached to the wreck (and look perfectly intact, from what I can see). The only other wreck I can think of that could claim this (again, off the top of my head), was the ANDREA DORIA, and that has long since disappeared. One COULD bring up the LUSITANIA, but, before they disintegrated, they were all detached, flattened, and lying just above the ship. Likewise, the BRITANNIC (II)'S first funnel was crushed flat and lay above the ship, detached (no idea what became of the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th funnels).
Shipwreck hunters value propellers a lot because they are made of bronze. I once met a guy that worked for this old crusty captain that would look for wrecks and then go cut the propellers off of them and air bag them to the surface so they could be taken to scrap. He could collect several thousand dollars per prop that way. It sounded really dangerous to do and not worth the risk of collecting a 5 or 10k in my opinion.
There was a show about u boat wrecks in the English channel,and there were 2 u boats that landed that way too at the bottom. At the time,they couldn't be identified,but,were definitely ww1 u boats as proven by the radio masts still folded on the deck. The dive crew theorized one may have still been somewhat buoyant after sinking,and drifted along the bottom until it settled atop the other...ive no idea,but that doesn't sound feasible. Has anybody done more research on them? They were not post war surrender scuttles by the royal navy,so,i find it a very curious mystery!
Supposedly in the English channel, there's a picture of a ww1 u-boat with a sunken ship laying on top of it! They didn't know the identity of either or how they ended up that way!
I thought this would be about the German WWII Surface Raider Kormoran HSK-8, that sank HMAS Sydney and was mortally wounded by the Australian cruiser herself.
Thank you for your historic "sleuthing" of these two wrecks - WWI Cormoran and WWII Tokai Maru!! ;-] Honestly, not much of a coincidence they landed next to each other; if/when you consider the ships were in the same mooring spot - when sunk!! ;-]]
I was stationed on the USS Haleakala AE-25 which was home ported in Guam in '93. One of the first things you hear about when arriving at Naval Station Guam is about the two ships sitting keel to keel in the Harbor. My division GM1 was a certified dive instructor and talked about this wreck. I was going to get certified but didn't due to an injury and it was right after that that 3 divers died on the wreck, I know 2 were Air force and I think the third was navy but I don't really remember. This is an interesting video brings back some memories.
My dad was stationed at Guam in the early to mid 80’s. Took my mom with him then had me in while there. I remember my dad said there was a couple of abandoned Sherman’s stuck on a hill somewhere? I wonder if they’re still there?
Deep Sea Detectives is a show that I also miss a lot... John Chatterton and Richie Kohler are absolute legends. Awesome video as always and thanks for being a part of my Sunday morning routine. Merry Christmas as well 🎄
Used to love watching that show, back when the history channel was still good
I wish Deep Sea Detectives was available to watch
@@ironiczombie2530yea me too. John and Richie are awesome hosts. Watching John go down the well in oak Island was nuts. Pitch black, tiny little space. No thanks !
They got to be up there in age now that show was running in the 2000’s
Ah Deep Sea detectives when the History channel actually ran shows about history as opposed to tawdry reality shows
My favorite dive that they did was on HMHS Britannic were Richie Kohler nearly got into the boiler room that allegedly had the watertight door which didn't closed because of the shock wave from the mine that sank the Britannic
While my family was living on Guam in 1967, a high school friend of mine was told that there was a WWI "German Battle Ship" sunk in Apra Harbor and roughly where it was. He and I sailed his Sunfish sailboat out from the public marina on the harbor with our snorkeling gear. We were surprised when we did not find a Dreadnought type battle ship like we expected. But two ships and no guns. We snorkeled around on the surface and the visibility was good enough to see that they were both on their side but otherwise mostly intact. We had no idea about the whole story but later found a section of a cemetery in Agaña where the remains of some of the sailors from the Cormoran were buried. Some had died during the scuttling while most had died due to natural causes during the time that the ship was impounded before the United States entered the war.
We lived on Guam years ago and dove on the Cormoran and the Tokai many times. There's a great book on the Cormaran called "The Flight of the Cormoran" by Herbert Ward, who rediscovered the wreck in the 1960's. After escaping from Tsingtao, Cormoran briefly sailed with Von Spee and the German East Asian Squadron
Interesting for sure. Thanks for taking us along and Merry Christmas!...
Another great vid. Please keep them coming!!! You do a great job on your vids !
The propellor hub at 8:50 seems to show the attachment studs for a blade still intact rather than broken off with the blade possibly indicating a salvage removal.
Wow that was very interesting keep em coming have a good day!!
Talking about those old shows ,it's like dogfights and greatest tank battles.yes they dramatised it but it was interesting and entertaining.
Hello Skynea. For some recent high quality wreck dive videos, you may want to see Max Gleeson's YT dive on IJN destroyer Oite in Truk lagoon and several mercantile wrecks off eastern Australia
I am actually surprised with great number of ships that have sunk before ww1 during ww1 and the same with ww2 , that we don't see more ship wreaks laying close to each other. Especially any ships that wore part of any conveys.
What an interesting wreck!
There's got to be something about the name Cormoran/Kormoran that makes its bearers surprisingly memorable in one way or another.
There were actually THREE LUSITANIA'S. ALL of them were wrecked. There was EVEN another TITANIC (years after the famous one). She is SO obscure (and was SO tiny), I have only seen one reference even to her EXISTENCE - but THAT came in a short article of the TITANIC COMMUTATOR (journal of the TITANIC Historical Society) in the '80's, so the story can be considered legit. There is no other mention anywhere of this other "TITANIC" that I have ever see, but, considering the source, it has to be true
I remember deep sea detectives. I absolutely LOVED that show. Wanted it to continue forever
Not first. Thanks again, Skynea. Take care, be safe.
what are the odds? incredible..thx for the content...
I suspect the Japanese salvaged the Cormoran's screws, shafts and guns during the war. Their resources were limited, and it makes sense that they would salvage and reuse everything they could.
I had never heard of deep sea detectives, but now I want to watch it now
My uncle’s cousin Hans served as a engineer on the raider Thor
He was stuck in Japan after it blew up
And then spent the next 2 years working the harbors in a tug boat
I knew nothing of this vessel myself, but I know of no other (at least, off the top of my head) instance of one wreck "landing on top" of another.
ANOTHER truly remarkable thing not mentioned: that CORMORAN'S two funnels remain still attached to the wreck (and look perfectly intact, from what I can see). The only other wreck I can think of that could claim this (again, off the top of my head), was the ANDREA DORIA, and that has long since disappeared. One COULD bring up the LUSITANIA, but, before they disintegrated, they were all detached, flattened, and lying just above the ship. Likewise, the BRITANNIC (II)'S first funnel was crushed flat and lay above the ship, detached (no idea what became of the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th funnels).
Shipwreck hunters value propellers a lot because they are made of bronze. I once met a guy that worked for this old crusty captain that would look for wrecks and then go cut the propellers off of them and air bag them to the surface so they could be taken to scrap. He could collect several thousand dollars per prop that way. It sounded really dangerous to do and not worth the risk of collecting a 5 or 10k in my opinion.
I dove those wrecks about 1989-1990 while TDY at Anderson AFB.
I miss the old history show that was effectively the WW2 and Mongolian empire show
Stationed on Guam. It’s amazing to dive the island. I love and miss the place.
There was a show about u boat wrecks in the English channel,and there were 2 u boats that landed that way too at the bottom. At the time,they couldn't be identified,but,were definitely ww1 u boats as proven by the radio masts still folded on the deck. The dive crew theorized one may have still been somewhat buoyant after sinking,and drifted along the bottom until it settled atop the other...ive no idea,but that doesn't sound feasible. Has anybody done more research on them? They were not post war surrender scuttles by the royal navy,so,i find it a very curious mystery!
Hi greetings from Scotland. Absolutely love your content hope you have an awesome festive period and can't wait to see what 2025 brings🏴😊
Isn’t the a uboat under a merchant ship wreck off the coast of England?
Therea a sunken uboat near a Colier in the Irish sea
Supposedly in the English channel, there's a picture of a ww1 u-boat with a sunken ship laying on top of it! They didn't know the identity of either or how they ended up that way!
I thought this would be about the German WWII Surface Raider Kormoran HSK-8, that sank HMAS Sydney and was mortally wounded by the Australian cruiser herself.
I20 ft to the bottom, but how deep to the shallowness part of the wrecks
Thats so amazing !, Of Course the propeller Blades were stolen,
Thank you for your historic "sleuthing" of these two wrecks - WWI Cormoran and WWII Tokai Maru!!
;-]
Honestly, not much of a coincidence they landed next to each other; if/when you consider the ships were in the same mooring spot - when sunk!!
;-]]
Did anyone die on the Toki Maru. When she sank?
I vaguely recollect the Deep Sea Detectives, it's been a while...
I wonder if the bathtub still has water in it all this time later🤔
Traduzir para o portugues do Brasil, foi explendido
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Stationed on Guam. It’s amazing to dive the island. I love and miss the place.