An Uncomfortable Clip Of Will And Jada Has Resurfaced Amid Oscars Slap Scandal
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2022
- By now, the whole world knows about the infamous Oscars debacle which saw Will Smith storm the stage to hit Chris Rock in the face in front of millions. He did it in response to a joke about his wife Jada Pinkett Smith's alopecia. The action provoked responses from both sides of the fence, some outraged, some in support of Smith for standing up for his family. But no matter which side of that argument you fall on, one thing's clear: Something's going on with the Smiths. Since the Oscars slap, people have been digging into the history of Will and Jada's marriage, and some surprising moments have come into the light. One particular video of Will and Jada has resurfaced amid the Oscars slap scandal, It's super uncomfortable.
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What did you think of this new clip?
Give it a rest. You are bottom-feeders. How would you know if she loves him or not? Are you part of their marriage?
August is a singer not rapper I know that and I'm from U.k lazy journalism!🤦🏽
She's awful
@Simbor Nabor If you don't want to reproduce. don't.
So Jaden must feel he is responsible for mom’s misery after all She was organs with him when she was forced to walk down the isle
Chris Rock did not joke about Jada’s condition, he mentioned her hair style- which was not even an insult. GI Jane- a strong woman is not an insult.
I agree he just made a comment ... I don't know what the big deal was for Will Smith ... Jada should have kept eyeballs in her pocket, who does she think she is ... she just rubs me the wrong way the way she articulates, like she knows it all,
Agree. I mean, it wasn't a very funny joke and everyone could have done without.
But: He compared her to a strong and determined movie character, played by one the most beautiful women of the 90ies, Demi Moore.
So, is it really that bad?
From another perspective: Maybe it's even an insult to Demi, because Jada implied that it's an affront to be compared to her...
She could have just smiled and a few minutes later everyone would have forgotten what Chris Rock said anyway. It's also quite bitter for Will, because instead of being in the news for his Oscar, he's only in the news for the slap and got a ban. Thanks, Jada.
EXACTLY!!
i would clap GI Jane's cheeks in a heartbeat
Listen I’m unavailable to tell the difference in Chris Rocks jokes. They’re all bad.
Regardless of the status of their relationship, Will Smith's behavior was unexcusable. It seems some people have forgotten who the victim was: Chris Rock. He is the one who held his composure and reacted professionally. To sum it up; Chris Rock is the " class act" here and deserves all the applause. 👏 👏👏
I disagree with you on that one.
AGREED💯%
The action as most of us agree was inexcusable.....but the conversation happening now is why would someone like Will that we have grown to love and respect because how he has inspired us, do what he did at the Oscars....? What caused it....? The world is now having its eyes opened to the fact that in some way he has been a victim of Jada's abuse and manipulation and unfortunately enough Chris had to pay the price for that.
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Most would agree that it's not alopecia.
The straight line scar, at the top of Pinkett s forehead is solid evidence of facial reconstructive surgery.
Although Pinkett doesn't have a full scalp it is a complete scalp. Empathy isn't real to a sociopathic manipulative narcissistic hypocrite.
To Pinkett Smith it's a means to manipulate by showing a weakness
No worries Chris Rock will be a Legend forever.
What's dangerous about Jada is how down to earth she seems on other people's shows. But on her own, the real douchebaggery comes out.
Totally agree 💯
Douchebaggery, perfect word!!
Jada is the broken child of a drug addict mother. probably well intentioned, but like most lost, broken people, they are destructive and clueless about how to achieve what they want in life. Jesus saves and heals.
I agree.
Ugh I’m an advocate of keeping marriages together but wow Will is just destroyed over Jada. He needs to get away from her and heal! She is toxic AF.
Yeah, like he's as pure as the driven snow himself 🙄
@@lenawagenfuehr53 Two wrongs do not make a right! So you are correct!
“ I never wanted to be married..?!”
Wow that appears Obvious
That's so sad
I recognise the tactic. She doesn't do anything she doesn't want but is able to pretend that she's made this great sacrifice.
These two are that couple where all their friends are like "Just break up with him/her" and they don't and they just keep coming to you to complain about their partner instead lmao
I don’t believe Will can start healing until he is willing to end their relationship. This woman doesn’t seem to be capable of giving him love.
I've been there, but fortunately not having to play it out in the public eye. It was humiliating and soul crushing - my advice to Will - get the hell out asap.
I think it was wrong of her to be recording him without his permission she really does not respect him at all and telling him that his reaction is foolishness is straight up disrespectful she has no regard for her husband this Oscar slap mess is all her fault
@@juanitamorgan5475 No! Not all her fault. Will is henpecked, so it is his fault too!
He laughed naturally…… then he became the “best actor” by turning into an A……hole.
There was no joke about her alopecia , it was about her haircut!
Fax ☝️ people say it was in poor taste but Jada has always sported short hair even in the 90s. It was literally A J.I. Jane joke 🙄 Another point people fail to acknowledge is when you’re attending the Oscar’s especially as a nominee it’s basically tradition for the host to roast the nominees and they were sitting in the front row they knew what they were getting themselves into just by attending.
That's right..
it was also about how good of shape she's in. If she was out of shape it would have made no sense, so it was a compliment as much as anything.
EXACTLY
The whole family is sickening!
Jada didn't stop him from going up on stage nor did she stop him from cursing! Jada loved every disgraceful moment of it!
yup i think she secretly hates him bc he’s not 2 pac lol
And Chris is respectful? Where’s his wife?
@@Godislove9273 Chris is a comedian and a damn good one! Jada and Will has been Hollywood royalty for decades! Do you really think Jada and Will don't understand comedy? They understand it way better than you do! This is a bad look for Will & Jada!
Right, she could have stopped him, ran after him? She should have. She obviously liked this whole thing.
@@Godislove9273 Chris Rock didn't deserve the physical treatment from Will Smith. From Ms. Harper Stacey.
The more people you invite into your relationship, the more drama your bound to have. 👀🤷🏿🤦🏿
Jada has zero respect for Will. He should run
Ditto!
True and more people need to say this instead of abusing will for the one mistake he did in his life
@@chaitanyajain3127 one mistake?! Why does the serial adulterer get a carte blanche? Oh right, he's a man .. let's all torch the "witch"...
@@chaitanyajain3127 He made two mistakes.
1. Marrying Jada and 2. Slapping Rock at the Oscars! There may be others we don't know about yet.
You cannot defend the honour of a woman who has no honour. She's vile.
Chris Rock didn’t make fun of the alopecia. If he did he would’ve said: Jada looks like a recovering cancer patient who had brain surgery. Chris’ joke was very lighthearted, and Will could’ve talked to Chris privately about it instead of getting himself banned from the Academy for 10 years
She doesn't have alopecia
That scare on Jada's head actually looks like a scare from a face lift. I think it's from plastic surgery 🤷🏾♀️
Will's the type of guy to make breakfast in bed for his wife's boyfriend.
sad very codependent
They had an open marriage. Don't pretend he didn't have his own sexual adventures!
OUCH!
OMG! Poor Will🤣😂
And I appreciate it ever time he does.
Will Smith didn't say "out of your...", he said "oucha".
Means the same thing. Only its gangsta talk. A lot of thuggery on Will's part.
Every time I see that clip, I think..What the hell was he thinking....He has been laser focused on defining his cool guy image for decades, to only toss it in the trash in a matter of seconds...
Frustration would make a person do that.
@@isaiahjames8584 Yea, frustration would, but when you’re about to lose everything you’ve worked for your entire life, you stop and think, I’m about to lose everything I’ve worked for my entire life, and keep your ass seated…
@@edreid7872 His mind was in neutral. He was caught between being himself (laughing at the joke) and defending his puppet master of a wife. So his body reacted on his own, his mind remaining in neutral the whole time.
@@isaiahjames8584 I get your point, but as a humans, we’ve been given the ability to decision make.. this was not an extreme fight or flight situation .. pure ego was involved..he was not in harm, nor was Jada..The smug swagger he had approaching Chris, and walking away was all about making a ridiculous point, one he obviously regrets now, and for someone who had a lot lose, he should not have been so impulsive..
No truer words spoken. It can take years to build a reputation and seconds to tear it down.
Sadly the whole situation is hopeless. Jada has professed repeatedly her selfishness and claimed her loveless heart throughout interviews and openly on the red table show. She has no viable worth that can been seen while her coldhearted confessions destroy all those who claim to love her is beyond forgivable. The damage she has caused her entire family continues to destroy them one by one without conscious It shall be impossible to imagine the damage she has caused not only Will but also her children. The only way for them to begin to heal is to remove themselves far far away from her and never again allow her to be a part of their lives ever. Sadly its probably not going to be possible for them to accomplish but we can all hope somehow they will find a way to start the process.
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I wish Jada knew how the public viewed her, and that we can see through her. I despise the red table talk because of her,. Up until the first time I saw it I had like her as an actress but after seeing her real life behavior, attitude and mannerisms I feel differently. Yes Will was wrong in what he did and sickening is how his wife and mother of his children is not by his side loving him and getting through this time with him, instead she's aggravating him more, maybe as if to make him lose more
It'll probably cost him financially, but this may be his Saving Grace if he can get away from Jada Pinkett-Smith and realize what a narcissist is and if they don't love they just abuse. I'm a Survivor of narcissistic abuse and I'm still dealing with it in one form or another but I did divorce the my spouse who is a narcissist.
Yep. She messed his mind up to have sex with a boy twenty years younger than her.
Will is a mess for falling for it.
My roommate came up with a theory that will slapped Chris because he knew it would be a trending topic and lead to Jada being exposed for how she treats him
@@user-nf9xm7is3m could be whatever if he gets away from her that will be like a new life for him. She belittles him every chance she gets and he just wants to please they're very mismatched
It's usually the woman's fault anyway right?
They r fine now it’s the trolls with the issues!
I guess this is enough for now. This is about enough Will/Jada we can possibly handle. For now.
Don't y'all have something else to do other keep talking about this, GET A LIFE WHY DON'T YA, DAMN
@@emmaturney4321 no
Money talks and bull shit walks..He was wrong just get over it
They have been exposing their annoying family life for years, desperate to get attention. There, now they have all they want...can they finally shut up?
At first I felt bad for Chris Rock but the more I hear and read the more empathy I have for Will. Jada has broken this man.
EXACTLY.
@@HOPEat It’s just sad to see Will Smith this way. He’s always been the strong confident leading man and now he’s become broken and emotionally unstable. Whether the joke was in poor taste or not Jada is bad news.
@@ProdigyGirlGaming No he hasn't in fact he has always been a cheater.
She turned him into a simp😂😂😂
People only treat you the way you let them. Will has allowed jada to break him and that's on him.
The only disrespect here was Chris being , disrespected by will smith & some in the crowded room that NIGHT! The CLASS ACT AWARD goes to
NONE OTHER THEN “””””””””””
Mr .CHRIS ROCK.””””””
Jada is no good for Will.
Now he's destroyed his reputation because of her.
Sad.
Maybe she wants Will to be like Tupac.
If Jada never wanted to be married then Will Smith should give it back to her and divorce her.
Evil Jada clearly doesn't have any respect for Will Smith.
She’s no more evil than you or the persons next to you.
@@irenecheatom2601 I doubt that. She's tearing Will apart.
Careless narrative. Chris' joke was not about so-called 'Jada's Alopecia'. Just saying, G I Jane is a military heroine, paying the way for women in the military/combat arena.
It's not careless. It's calculated.
Jada is so unkind to her husband. Why on earth does he stay with her? I think she’s a terrible person.
He doesn't want to give up half of his fortune to her. He figures it's cheaper to keep her. From Ms. Harper Stacey.
I wish Will knew his inner worth because a lot of things he probably wouldn’t do he’s done like slap Chris, he’s got so many internal struggles from trying to make his marriage with Jada work , and it’s not reciprocated like he wants, he really needs to change his stance on divorce is not an option, because sometimes it is the only option.
She is a piece of work! She looks pretty comfortable in her body to include her alopecia. And she got her feelings hurt, grow up. I have a medical condition and had a mastectomy, so no breasts at all. You can't get sensitive about it all the time, or you will be miserable in your life. It's not like she is the only one with this condition, she is a beautiful woman, hair or not, if only she wasn't so narcissistic and look outside and around her. That is what makes her ugly, not her loss of hair.
Praying for your health: a total healing & complete recovery. 🙏
The alopecia she claims is false. Hair loss in her case is from over-processing.
Will needs to walk away from Jada, she's too much
And he's a delightful little scamp? 🤮 The double standard in these comments sections ...
The sad part is Jada told him he overreacted after Wills reaction. I hope he ditches her.
Riiight, he acts like a violent fool, but she's the problem. 🙄
Lena Wagenfuehr precisely!!!!
So sick of her majesty's malicious smirk, can't imagine having someone you love, look back at you like that?
The fact is Chris Rock did NOT make a joke about Jada Pinkett Smith alopecia!
The truth is Chris Rock made a reference to the similarities of JPS current and Demi Moore‘s G.I. Jane hairstyle. Which didn’t denigrate either beautiful actress.
If you can’t bother to get the simplest facts straight you’re no better than the Enquirer
I'm pretty sure this is the ONLY Chanel that has covered this so much since it happened..... I'm like 100000000% sure theirs other stuff to talk about
What out for the way you paraphrase things:
“Will slapped Chris for making fun of Jada’s “alopecia”.
Chris made fun of the similarity of Jada and G.I Jane’s balding.
He didn’t even know there was an underlying condition.
Thank you!
Chris is a comedian! He is paid to make jokes! He did not say anything about an underlying condition. The joke was about GI Jane.
Never knew a person with razor stubble who claimed they had alopecia .....lol she is a liar
Knew Will before fame. One of his biggest fans. My videos are proof of how a beautiful
relationship can go toxic. Will, your kids are grown, it is time to LET GO of Jada. You are a winner but you are losing with your relationship with Jada.
I think these two have moved into a toxic place. If they are really both this unhappy, it’s probably best to move on. Their kids are grown and they seem mature enough to understand. I think they could probably be civil enough to co-parent.
WOW...
Those kids aren't mature and never will be...just like mom and dad!
They should just get divorced like millions of other couples, find someone who truly makes each of them happy and move on. Obviously they're keeping it together for an image that's already broken beyond repair.
Yeah, follow J Lo's example!
They are a train wreck waiting to happen!
I cancel that SATANIC SPIRIT OF WITCHCRAFT Remark. Point that finger at yourself and your relationship if you have one. They shall overcome, excel, get strong, and develope a relationship with the Most High in Yeshuas’ unmatched name.
He did not joke about alopecia.
Gi Jane has a buzzed head facts
I am so sick of EVERY time I open my tablet i find more trash on Will and Jada Smith. Pleaseost something that is truly news worthy. Not HOLLYWOOD!!!!!
I just don't understand the taboo of discussing controlling women. It's unhealthy for everyone involved
Yes, controlling, narcissistic and she obviously enjoys emasculating him as well. I can’t stand her.
@@bgipper4109 as a woman myself, I've never understood women who support toxic women who abuse (yes, I think it's abuse) men.
Also, I'm pretty sure jada bleeds Flavor'Aid
The taboo is admitting men don't have the power they want to project. Must protect the fragile male ego at all costs!
Jada destroyed Will in every way you can think of,she's a narcissist and plain evil.
I hope Will heals and accept that this relationship is not worth it.
And I love Will and Chris so much💖
Will Smith movies has consecutively gross 500 million to 1 billion for Hollywood. Before ‘Slapgate’, perform at the World Cup, went viral singing in Alladin, best selling bio, tv show host favorite guest, arguably one of the most like person in the world, most versatile entertainer Hollywood ever seen. I like Chris to, but his insensitive joke was not in the rehearsal, Will And Jada we’re not the only one, front row. They had a history even though both acted with Chris. You got to be kidding me The Oscars So White members did not think Black Panther should of won Best Picture. Now the best example of black excellence for decades is a meme from 1 mistake. Ricky Gervais said ‘Will got a 10 year ban with good behavior’.
No one else would deal with her. There is some very wrong with her. Wake up Will.
It's hurtful to think that Will is so broken with accumulated under loving of what Jada meagers out to him. I know one thing, if my husband never wanted to get married & wanted an open relationship, we would never be together because it's basically saying that he doesn't want anything to do with me. It's a horrible decision to get married because of pregnancy. Jada & Will really need a divorce.
Will was banded for 10 years from an academy he resigned from. He cans still win awards. WHERE IS THE PUNISHMENT?
You want to know what happened? He said he resigned from the Academy, but the truth is he was FIRED.
It's all about the money. If Smith makes a lot of money for Hollywood producers, "all will be forgiven." IF this wasn't all scripted to begin with!
This is getting booooring... Some actor slapped some comedian and now we all will talk about that ad nauseam, wars, famine, global warming, pandemia, who cares...SMITH slapped ROCK!!! Yeah, that has such cosmic significance... Get over that!!!! Most of us simply don't care!!!! damn...
And yet here we are
@@AhtoNajeebRashied 😂😂😂
I often wonder y do people watch a video that they're so tired of in the first place?!🙄.... and true ... here we are
HUMANS!!!! 😂🤣😂
@@AhtoNajeebRashied ...how romantic...😏😂😂
Jada is Wills beard. He got mad at his son for coming out said he should hide it. That didn't age well. Their "relationship" is a farce a persona for Will. He accepted this so he needs to deal with it.
She went to the Oscars in that ridiculous dress and she’s upset about a comment about her uncovered bald head?
No Chris Rock did not make a joke about her alopecia you guys are gonna stop saying that.
AND THEN SHE CALLED HIM A HER.
IM DONE🤣
It was NOT a “comedian’s joke about jada’s alopecia.” It was a joke about a woman wearing a bald head cut like a beautiful lady actress had in a movie called G.I. Jane.
Chris Rock rolled with the punches. A classy gentleman.
Shame on smith as a mega star, shame on smith as a role model!! Shame on smith as successful businessman actor. Shame shame shame.
Chris Rock even stated that he didn't even know that Jada had alopecia. Neither did I tbh.
How wonderful it would have been.
If Jada had simply laughed and gave Rock the thumbs up.It was a harmless remark.
No more on these two ! Too much time on there hands and too much cash! Go on vacation!
And crash the plane while their at it
What does he see in her. She’s v average
No shit😂
She’s not average. She’s amazing in so many ways.
So, will jada, spike Lee and the gang all wanted more representation. What did they represent? Chris rock saved the day!
Do I have to go verify she said "foolishness" somewhere else? Am I gonna find out she didn't? Because you said she did and didn't show it...s'waste of time
She definitely said it as well as blowing past his boundary and denigrating him for just expressing his request not to be ambushed on film.
I was living under a rock for the last 3 weeks. Guys,can you please help me catch up on what the hell is going on!??
Hollup.... It's starting to look more like will was laughing bc it was a relief that she got a taste of her own medicine and then realized he might look like an ass and the cracks in their marriage were publicly evident in that moment and in a desperate attempt to recover that imagine that only exists in his mind, and over reacted in a very impulsive way. I think he just didn't know what else to do to save that imagine.
Even Jada seem to be laughing until she looked (side-eyed) at Will.
@@theodethomasa6358 she laughed until the gi Jane joke then she abruptly stopped and rolled her eyes. It was like a red hot poker went up his when he saw that she was displeased. He may have even been looking for approval from his "past" that he was going to protect her at all costs bc he couldn't do that as a child for his mother. He saw Jada's response and that's all it took. I wonder if he realizes he's a puppy on a chain that's growing into a rottweiler pit mix and he's beginning to unravel. It's like he knew the public backlash would be less painful than him not protecting Jada's Jupiter sized ego. She's ruining that man and changing him in ways that are detrimental to him as a man of public opinion. She uses him at every turn. He's so tired and so angry, it's like standing at the edge of the smallest, tallest cliff and evrytime the wind blows he can barely stay standing. Every wind, every push, is gonna make him feel like fight or flight is the only choice.
@@ChRiStY4t5 He is henpecked!
@@theodethomasa6358 for damn sure!!!!!
@@ChRiStY4t5 if he is ruined so is she. Seriously she has never really been anything other than Wills wife. Even her movie career is bit parts, sequels, Will's movies or non box office.
I hope he leaves her and finds peace. She can be a toxic car crash on the red table. Ppl i know only watch it to laugh about how weird that family is. Not a class act
I wish folks would stop referring to August as a rapper.
I hope Will sees exactly who he's married too. It's all there. Run Will run!!!!
Will your wife said that she never wanted to be married, so set her free💃🏽. Best present ever🤣🖖🏽💕
He's not a rapper!!!!!
Will has a problem with what comes out of Chris's mouth, however he doesn't have a problem with what goes into his wife's mouth! 🤦♀️
BEST COMMENT EVER!!!!
You guys milking this one a bit much….
They are. It’s ridiculous.
Sounds like my marriage in reverse
He didn’t joke about her alopecia. He joked that she was bald like the actress in GI Jane. Two gorgeous women who shaved their head. It wasn’t an insult. And she didn’t even need to shave her head with two small areas with thinning hair - she chose to. Comedians joke about peoples’ appearance all the time. You may not like it - but you can’t hit them if you’re offended. That’s illegal. Can you imagine all the hitting that would be happening if someone got hit every time they said something offensive? You can choose non-violence.
Evil is the new bald
Anyone notice how Mrs Jada looked can’t call it a joke if the one your joking about doesn’t find the joke funny. Not right but Mr Will wasn't just defending his wife, he’s caught laughing at the joke at first I don’t feel like he was laughing with just reacting. Now he has to defend his laugh because his wife just found the joke offensive as much as she is trying to act like she is shocked the he “slapped” Chris Rock. I quoted that because I honestly believe it was a Bruce Lee smooth punch; like seriously Mr Smith who have you been training with?
Their open marriage is their business. I would be pretty offended if my wife's side job was some douchey rapper, though.
Will Smith wins best actor for King Richard for playing a protective father of the women in his life.
Love Rock. WS ain’t shit.
I feel so sorry for Will . I hope he can pull himself away from that trollop.. If not he will suffer in ALL aspects of his life ..
They used to be THE couple. My son wanted to be Will Smith. Will and Denzel were my favorite actors. Denzel still is. When they got involved in Scientology, they changed. Then their school was shut down for being caught teaching Scientology. I pray Will finds peace and healing during this time.
They can live as they wish, but Will was very wrong to take the depreciation of his manhood out on Chris Rock!
So where's the clip?!!!!!
They are both in an "open relationship". If you are angry at Jada, be angry at Will also because he said he steps out of the relationship too. (An open relationship is wrong btw)
Instead of asking Chris to keep his wife’s name out his mouth, he should be asking August to keep his 👀👀 out her mouth.
What happened to Jada? She use to seem so sweet and genuinely kind hearted , humble. Now ...the Celebrity side has turned her . I know being a celebrity can be overwhelming but a persons character should Never change. !
If it was tupac, she’d wanna get married…lol.
Will Smith taught me many things since playing sports with him as a kid and I have many six degrees of separation coincidence with him. Seeing what happen at the Oscars heals me by looking at my long term relationship the same way, very toxic at the end. Will as one of your biggest fans, the video is telling the truth, you are in a toxic relationship that has to end for you to continue to be the leader of black excellence, something you have done for decades.
She is destroying him/taking advantage of his love for her
He will wake up and look back and regret all of it..
Been there. My hubby always tried to make me the bad guy. He passed a few months ago and while that's sad. It freed me from his toxic bs. Not one of his friends have offered their condolences. Not one.
August already spilled the tea on his song ENTANGLEMENT.
Why let someone make you hateful and miserable. That is your choice.... Not worth letting anyone ruin your joy happiness and success
He gets pissed about a joke .But they discuss her having an affair with their son’s friend. This is on national TV .
If the marriage feels like a prison to you, then it's time to get divorced
Those poor kids. I’d rather be me and be poor than to be those kids. That’s too much.
Could it be, she married him and they have an open marriage? Now he can’t/won’t divorce her because he doesn’t want to split all the money AND she wears the pants in their relationship? She seems to emasculate him every chance she gets. Just a thought.
People are trying to say that Jada is bad. No Way. She is a strong woman expressing that she has her own needs, desires, goals, and self determination. Men should pay attention that relationships are no longer dominated by what a man wants when a man demands it where a man expects it. There is an old saying, "Happy Wife - Happy Life." Men: WE ARE HERE, WE HAVE ARRIVED and YOU BETTER GET YOUR STUFF TOGETHER.
What people don't realise is that Will had trauma before he met Jada. Unhealed trauma. Being with jada may have added to it but it isn't ALL down to her.
The thing is, they allowed us to share their lives with them from The Red Table. I don’t think their relationship is bothering them, it’s others that are so entangled in their truths that have the problem with their relationship.
I think it’s the opposite. I think it’s jada who had I healed trauma
Those two are sickening.