Dream of Gluttony - The TRUE Ending...? Manly Let's Play [ 4 ]
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- The latter half of Dream of Gluttony is over and we achieve another ending... of sorts.
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Sissy: desperately runs around doing all the backing, cutting, prepping, boiling, etc.
Sissy: asks chef for one thing
Chef: "YOU RE TOO DEMANDING. I WORK TOO HARD."
The loop of work.
Chef: HoW DaRe YoU To MaKe Me HeLp!?
Me: This is for what she is paying you, you waining b*tch.
Just like in real life!
god that reminds me of a handful of people at my last restaurant job then people started calling me superman cause i would actually work hard and fast and not be a dick, all i could think of wow you work ethic sucks (but poor sissy really needs to do more prep work if shes going to have a menu that diverse,meats balls take a solid 20 minutes to cook and a good pasta sauce at least 40)
@@bluebeka2458 But she is in debt so she can't pay the chef.
That chef wouldn't last one day in Hell's Kitchen
It's literally raw
Gordon Ramsey would be like," What do you mean you're having a bad day, you f*cking donkey?!!! "
Bold of you to assume that he would last even a day. 😂
Dude he wouldn't last 5 seconds
A day, he wouldn't be there for more than a few seconds if he was like that.
manly has 2 weaknesses
-memory puzzles
-realizing that cheese would be in a fridge
Where else would cheese be???
@@bookwormbrittany4907 in a cabinet or cupboard.
@@beehoonsim6576 i refuse to believe this
@@bookwormbrittany4907 jar?
Bookworm Brittany in the mouth lol
Oooooffff
I just noticed that Grape and Strawberry are using straws for their beverages. Makes me wonder if those are actually IVs and that their excessive surgeries rendered them having limited mobility. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
They said themselves that they’re fruit so they don’t move
yea and the "straws" are connected to their arms
Oh my god, I've just noticed this :/ that's morbid af
Oh shit your right
this cooking mama sequel sure is gnarlier than I expected
Or spiritual successor diner dash or order up
If you thought this was messed up, wait until you see the live action murder porn version of Dora the explorer.
@@TheGrinningViking i swear people out here be watching some weird ass stuff
@@TheGrinningViking the *what now*
@scout x Search 'live action Dora trailer' if you don't believe me. SHE'S GOT A KNIFE.
I love how Sissy was all "How dare they run away from the harsh reality of our society???" and not, you know, going on about how they were murdering and imprisoning people who stumbled across them to maintain that 'paradise'. Or how the stuff they wanted to be free to do seemed largely damaging, to themselves if not others. No, it was the escapism that was the issue, here. Fair 'nough...
The whole “escapism vs societal obligations” is kinda poorly carried out tbh...
Mostly because the whole murder issue kinda overshadows any good points the “escapism” bit could have (and the creators at least want you to consider that side as valid, given that Sissy’s mindset at the end is shown to be insane and motivated by spite).
I think you forget that the town murder people.
@@hellatze My point exactly. Escapism here isn’t just running away from responsibility, it’s actively harmful towards other living beings.
I doubt if they are harming anyone
only one questionable character would be Candy who sort of eats human flesh by thinking that it is candy, but she doe not look like someone who would kill those people by herself.
If we look at the first sun Sisy pretends to be fruit to fit in so it is more about just pretending that everything is fine and not attacking each other delusions.
I think sissy is disappointed that rather than fighting for their goals those people just roleplay pretending to live in their fantasy.
In the second run, Sissy attacks their world rather than playing along.
@@deltaxcd I think they *are* harming people-after all, Sissy gets locked in Bread and Butter’s basement first thing when she says she’s human, with the implication that they’ve done this to mindbreak travelers who won’t play along before.
Dumpling literally beats her to death with his sign should she try and fail to escape.
And even if Candy *isn’t* the one who murders her neighbors (which is unlikely given the emphasis even in the good version of her love of candy being obsessive and destructive), she’s still *eating their corpses* after having someone or something do them in for her. Remember folks-just because someone looks sweet and harmless doesn’t mean they *are*.
Cinnamon stabs her immediately if she finds Sissy in her shop.
And need I even mention Chili? An active mass murderer who the townspeople shun but keep around to dispose of any bothersome problems?
I feel like your interpretation was what the game’s developers were going for, but that that message fails to really come across due to the fact that the food people are not just turning their backs on reality but actively harming anyone who could threaten their malaise.
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It was his sled.
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We're making video game refences aren't we?
Bud bud
I don't know how this kitchen would have all of these items on their menu and expect them to be made-to-order when virtually nothing is prepped. Most kitchens prep hours in advance.
Also, the person who forgot the nuts allergy would probably be the waiter, who was whining the entire time and not helping.
I was literally yelling at the screen that it was the waiter's fault. It seems like her restaurant failing was a case of everything else being bad and less her being bad. The sou chef was a whiny bitch, the waiter would bug her every 5 seconds, and next door another restaurant was literally stealing her ideas
@@blackxrosary I wouldn't be surprised if the chef was taking notes of her recipes on the sly and that's probably party why he was so lazy.
I'd also really like to know how she thought it was ok to do all the prep work like that by herself? Restaurants like that usually have at least 4-5 workers there cooking and doing prep work. I can see why she snapped.
She should've started small, then worked up to a big restaurant.
@@Sorciechan sometimes when people are super passionate about a dream they only focus on the 'dream' part. She was probably so focused on making recipes and having people enjoy her food that she wasnt being realistic which happens alot more then you think. I bet you the reality didnt hit her until the bills started piling
@@blackxrosary Basically becoming a Kitchen Nightmare minus a Gordon Ramsay bailout.
@@blackxrosary Another reason why the title of the game fits, I guess
"Umm ms sissy, are you working? Can you speed up?"
"Hell yeah, what kind of restaurant making cookies from scratch *after* customer orders?!"
What kind of restaurant offer cookies, pizza, sushi and other unrelated foods all within a single menu?
Is that Ash or Sou that is calling her? If is either of those then, i will let you know where the windows are.
Let's Read Textbook My thoughts exactly XD
More like "What goddamn restaurant serves COOKIES!Go to a goddamn bakery!"
"i wont give up!"
*miss*
"maybe ill give up a little"
She's already dead. She was probably killed by that person's wife. She is likely in the 3rd circle of hell. Gluttony is more than just food its overindulgence. Maybe in life, she was really selfish. If you read Dante's Inferno you see where many of the stuff in this game comes from. (like the worms) It loops till she is free of her sins.
Thats actually a pretty interesting way to think about it. Maybe her sin was killing the lady who threatened her? Or maybe even the shitty su chef, or the competition that was stealing her ideas. I mean dumplings backstory is he got bullied until he killed someone so i wouldnt be surprised if sissy killed someone but blocked it out
Dante should come and absolve her or something
@@blackxrosary It's a strong consideration that Sissy is there due to Gluttonous reasons and being killed by the woman (who seemed pretty set on ending Sissy). Now that I think about it, if Dumpling is here due to killing someone in a rage after being teased too much, which would have gotten his ass a ticket to the anger level, not Gluttony. So I think it's more a mixing pot of hell, rather then distinct circles. Though the general ideas still exist, same for the loop.
In fact, since the people at the camp outside of town Talk about having escaped and being generally accepting, they may have come to peace with their sins, and while not "Free" they don't have to play along. Though Blue Rainbow Hair guy may be some kind of a watcher.
That would make a lot of sense considering she went to a food town and not something like an animal town.
True, but Sissy never comes across as that during the game. Her flaw in the flashback was probably biting off more than she can chew in regards to work and people pleasing, and the death probably wasn’t her fault given that we know the waiter wasn’t noting down allergic conditions when taking orders. Her biggest fault is being a people pleaser, because going along with things nets you ending one and ending two is her choosing to not along with it and ‘see thing as they are’. I don’t know, it doesn’t seem like selfishness is the main problem.
I think this game was about letting go of your bitterness and anguish. The reason for the first loop is that Sissy ran away from her problems and her past, and stayed with the other foods, living a complacent life. But that isn't truly dealing with her pain. In the second, she "faced" her problems and her painful past, but she didn't let go of any of her bitterness. She held onto it as a reason for moving forward.
Maybe she died and her soul is trying to find rest, but neither of these endings are true closure, so she keeps wandering.
I think Sissy's literally in Hell, in Gluttony. I don't know how else you you'd explain those giant worms. The residents are likely there for gluttony-related crimes committed during life. Chili might be the stand-in for Cerberus. The campers might be newer damned souls who haven't fully given into Hell's torture yet. Milk may be Beelzebub himself, overseeing and enabling it all - he's not one of the damned human souls, he just observes their torture.
This sounds accurate
My one problem: Kyrie is definitely not a new damned soul. Dunno what they are, but they know something.
That is a very diverse menu for a restaurant. Literally sushi, Italian pasta, pastries and pizza on the same menu.
Only way that would work is either a large staff or a small restaurant. But at the same time there would probably be lots of wasted food.
Sissy would save a lot of stress if she just streamlines the menu and, I dunno, label where the food being stored?
I think Sissy made mistake of making own restaurant at young age (from "welcome to adulthood" implies she is late teen or young adult), thus she's ambitious, full of ideas (which she said later stolen from her) but inexperienced.
I don't eat at places that don't have a menu with a coherent theme, because I find the food is worse. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Let's Read Textbook yeah I agree, streamlining is probably the best option was just suggesting ways that it might work. Having a very diverse menu nowadays is a very niche prospect I feel and not too many people would be interested.
@@elmas-world is often better than a master of one
Probably not intended - but Roses are ALSO edible. Candied roses, rose tea, etc etc.
Rosemary
Rose malbi pudding
Rose wine
Anything is edible if you are brave enough
Robert Dinh some stuff is only edible once
Ok but Chili's boss theme slaps
chilli’s theme is a fuckin BOP
@GoldenChocolate 0 uh oh... *K I N K Y*
Theme name is DREAM OF GLUTTONY danger!
What kind of restaurant wait for an order then make the whole thing from scratch? No wonder she's failing.
That and she doesn't keep any broth, roux, sauce, dough or any other half-finished products at hand.
The kind that's run by an overstressed young woman that's only barely an adult (with no business sense), who can't actually _afford_ to keep her restaurant running and had to find a chef who barely does any work and is fine with being underpaid, apparently.
She would have been better off with a catering business
I don't think the food is drugged, Manly. The way the story presents itself, the inhabitants of Food Town all seem to have their own separate lifestyles, only sharing the sentiment of being food themselves to distance themselves from the humans that ruined their lives.
Butter and Bread live a rather normal life, and considering Sissy cooks with Butter on the first loop, I'm inclined to think the food was normal. What I get the feeling, is that they were BUTTERING Sissy up to the state of the town, luring her into the same blissful ignorance the entire town shares.
And since Sissy was at a mental breaking point herself, being suddenly confronted with the open kindness of the townspeople made it pretty easy to accept her "fate", which ultimately leads to her becoming a feast for Chili, finally granting her the happiness of serving someone good food and being appreciated at the same time, twisted as it may be.
The second loop then serves as a grim reminder that life simply isn't all sunshine and happiness - at least not without sacrifice. Sissy trying to improve her life instead of rejecting it, and her subsequent drive to escape Food Town at all costs, feels like a cynical take on an alternative to reality escape: embracing a dangerous and apathetic level of pragmatism (reflected by Sissy stating that nothing would ever get in her way again).
Of course, that's just my take, and I have some questions regarding certain backstories (especially for Bread, Cinnamon, and Chili, since I have a hunch, and it kinda unsettles me). And none of what I interpret into the narrative explains the bigger picture in the slightest.
Kaze Memaryu wait, what’s your hunch?
I get the feeling that Bread has a pedophilia background, considering he's the only character whose portrayal seems to be of high maturity, which contrasts Butter's childlike disposition towards all non-humans. But there seems to be nothing in-game to support that idea otherwise.
Cinnamon, considering his aggressive flirting, may suffer from a sexual abuse incident. He flirts only with Dumpling, despite him making his distaste for his advances very clear, and he only appears mildly upset when revealed as a pretty boy against his girlish appearance, so it's not about his sexuality. This leads me to a "doll-up-and-rape" scenario picture, and his outright murderous behaviour when finding Sissy hiding with the axe might imitate a memory of his captor in a similar situation.
As for Chili, that's the one I'm really unsure about. She might hail from a satanic cult that got disbanded, with her being unable to let go and instead sinking further into an almost stereotypical obsession with ritualistic setups, but generally, she simply has way too little screentime to make much of a guess.
With all of that said, the scenarios are really assuming that everyone in Food Town suffers from heavy trauma and painting the very worst that could've happened. But as Dumplings very grounded backstory shows, not everything has to be super-extreme, so take everything I wrote with a whole bucket of salt.
Deep.
@@KazeMemaryu but that's just a theory, a game theory.
I don't know about the rest, but I did wonder the same about Bread. I thought part one established him and Butter as being a couple, then when Sissy is put in the basement she says that Butter is "just a little girl".
I might be misinterpreting things though. Maybe Bread is actually taking a platonic role, maybe Sissy was just commenting on Butter's height, who knows. I guess if Butter was actually a kid and Bread was in a romantic relationship with her, Sissy would have had more of a reaction.
Although, that might have come out after she ate breakfast with them....
since everyone else is commentin on the game...CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT BATTLE THEME WHEN YOU FIGHT CHILI BECAUSE I WANT THIS SONG NOW.
ruclips.net/video/Ui6hiKF12ac/видео.html aye, here you go xD
oh man, thank you muchly. I really appreciate that
I wonder what happens in the Chili battle if you only use "Don't give up" during the entire fight since that's the only option with a semblance of sanity while the rest is just murderous rampage.
Dream of Undertale 2
I think that's a defense option that only helps your stats but you need to attack to win.
@@DanielFernandez-tk7zj Undertale 2:Dreams of Determination
Don't give up is only used to heal, but you have to attack to continue
Nothing, it's like trying to wait for dumpling in the first part. It would logically pass time resulting in a better outcome for the protagonist, but isn't implemented because the game doesn't intend for the player to make choices that affect the story or outcome.
In this episode, Sissy does the cooking by the book. And gets chastised
Me: *just finished watching part 3*
Manly: *uploads part 4*
Me: Oh man.
Ah, I see uou too have experienced this.
I'm in the same camp lol
Same
OMG SAMEEE
Creeper?!
And the loop? I honestly think Sissy was MEANT to find Food Town. I think that's how all of the people/Food Town villagers end up there; it's like a kind of destiny. All of the food villagers had tough lives they needed to escape from, and when they run from the problem they face, they end up at Food Town.
meaning, she can’t leave. She’s supposed to be there (same w the bonfire gang)
Yes, but she can leave if she defeats Chili. Also, looks like you can travel back and forth freely as long as you do not intend to leave forever
@@deltaxcd No she can't. The last line was "Why can't I leave?" remember? And this was said after she had defeated Chili. So she is still trapped
@@raerohan4241
That scene goes beyond the main game story. we have no clue when it happened and what even exactly happened there, maybe eventually she died for some reason and this is her afterlife because the same scene happens on the first arc. or she was dead or sleeping all that time.
@@deltaxcd Personally I think it's an unescapable time-loop, I mean it's hinted at fairly heavily. Either way I didn't really see any evidence that she did have the ability to leave, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. Do you have any examples of scenes that made you think she escaped, or had the ability to?
Chili: "Saw you hanging out with Dumpling yesterday!"
Sissy: "Chili it's not what you think-"
Chili: *_"I wOn'T HeSiTatE BiTcH"_*
Do you mean cinnamon?
@@VaellinTheBard well I mean Sissy hung out with Dumpling more in a general sense even before this route...I dunno I just felt like Dumpling would be better. :P
I think I'm misunderstanding the whole comment then. I was just thinking Cinnamom was the one with a crush on Dumpling, not Chili. Didn't think Chili gave a damn about anyone or anything
@@VaellinTheBard Oh I dunno. I was just making a joke based on the battle sequence because it says "Chili won't hesitate" when she strikes Sissy
I get it, it's a parody from that one vine.
Sissy got super edgy.
Welcome to Adulthood. 😂
This game ended exactly how I didn’t expect it would. I agree that I liked the little sprinkles of Sissy’s life, but yeah the ending had more holes than the ones Sissy put through Chili’s body.
You call edgy,I call smart.
Also the "holes" might be because of another game,maybe this is supposed to be a series since the game does give off a vibe of being a sequel or prequel to something
@@ameladaptivedaydreamer949 I know this is like 5 months later but at the moment, there hasn't been anything about a previous game so it's possible it could be the first game in a series, however, the game could very much just be a singular game with a lot of room left for theories
@@ameladaptivedaydreamer949 r/im14andthisisdeep
@@herrscherofsweets9583 Wow, did you go to school to get such a high caliber of humor?. Stellar "joke" buddy, stellar indeed xD
@@kandykat6967 Yes I'm late but. I didn't had that information at the time I wrote my comment so thank you for updating me. But I agree, it leaves room for theories, which might've been the creator's intention
So about the kitchen scene: Manly points out that the menu is way too diverse. I'm also going to note that chefs have a higher level of qualification than cooks. The sous chef and head chef where I used to work both had 4-year degrees, and several of the cooks had gone to trade school and were completing time under an apprenticeship program. Two of them became proper sous chefs that way with an associate's. Other cooks were just people who walked into the profession, like me. So it's weird that Sissy is a cook, but her assistant is a chef.
And IRL kitchens always do prep. I went from a massive place to small, quick-service restaurants seven years ago and I still get fever dreams about the workload of the big kitchen. The scene captured the feeling of those dreams really well, including the verge into the ridiculous with how varied the menu was, how nothing was prepped, how hard it was to navigate, and how useless her help was. The allergies scene might be just another nightmare aspect, while the food poisoning was the actual event, because it's always a nightmare when someone is all "Excuse me, my son can't have nuts or sesame seeds." And there are always workers who just don't care, who don't see what the big deal is, and you have to be aware of who on staff you can't trust with those special orders, because if something does go wrong, as the overall in charge, it's on you.
I like that Sissy isn't completely right. She's actually kind of a jerk about it, but it's also understandable that she's teetering right on the edge, herself. Milk is wrong for being too passive about the situation, but he's way more sympathetic. If it really is looping, though, Sissy probably will never get the chance to reflect and reach any kind of acceptance.
I think the chef thing was just a term used badly, I don't know if it the original game was in another language or the person who made the game didn't investigate enough.
I think the menu thing is kind of grasping at straws, I don't think it was made to show she had a menu that was too broad, it just had a different recipe every time to convey the anxiety of working on a restaurant, if it had repetitive recipes then the player would soon memorize where everything is and don't fumble around the kitchen.
Maybe on another kind of game engine or more programing in RPG Maker not all minigames would be about walking around and the kitchen minigame would be about cooking everything perfectly while remembering ingredients you have to avoid because the client asked to.
Edit because I forgot to say that if the menu or prepping everything after the orders was a problem they would address it in the dialogue, just like it's very explicit that she was in debt so almost all staff left.
@@fanaticaH A story or game doesn't necessary _have_ to state that something was a problem for its audience to realize it was. That's the whole reason context clues exist, after all. And we saw how many dishes there were from vastly different cuisines, how nothing was prepped, how she had incompetent staff, how she was new to the industry but chose to start in a highly competitive area. In other words she made tons of mistakes. She did not have to suffer in that life. If only she hadn't been so ravenous for success...
@@raerohan4241 I agree with what you say, what I meant was that sometimes we tend to read too deep in stories and then the author just says there weren't any clues or they didn't put any symbolism, they just put things that they thought they looked cool.
For example on an anime analysis group we went above and beyond trying to make a comparison of Utena with Demian by Heman Hesse because they use the egg quote from the book.
But it turned out that the director read the book in middle school because a friend told him "everything about me is on this book, you'll have to read it to know the real me", he read it and he didn't really understood it at all, let alone what it has to do with being about his friend.
The director didn't really understand the plot but that quote resonated with him.
They didn't have opportunity to talk about the book before graduation so 10 years later on a reunion he asked about the book. The friend didn't really remember recommending the book, saying it was that important about him or reading it at all.
So I guess the book was more important for the director than his friend in the end. But also he just remembered one quote.
So he used it on Utena and that's it.
@@fanaticaH I agree, often I think fans do read too much into things that aren't there based in very little evidence. However I personally believe that in this case it is real because there are many real-world restaurants that often struggle with this problem, which can be fixed just by streamlining their menus.
However if it's your interpretation that the diversity of dishes wasn't symbolic, that it was just there for mixing up gameplay or something, that's fine. I think games can be interpreted any way one likes unless it contradicts the developer's direct statements and/or is based off of too little evidence to be convincing to most
Sissy being above the chef makes sense if she's both the owner and cook, and hired a chef specifically because she wasn't qualified to handle everything.
Kyrie still hasn't done anything and I still hate him
rat Honestly same. I feel like he’s going to backstab Sissy
Must be his aura, or the face for some persons. 😅
@@bluebeka2458 have you not seen how he is in this and past episodes? Besides the fact that he's naturally crappy when he's speaking in a past episode he keeps doing something to the characters to make them make that mortified face like they just saw a ghost. Idk what it is.
@@ネズミ-h8l People like this exist, yeah i know is awful, but what can ya do about it? 😅
@@bluebeka2458 I'm gonna assume you haven't watched the previous episodes all the way through...
So i think i get sissy's thought process. Her thinking is bad shit happens and you just have to get over it and get past it. And even though thats a good mindset to have there are two ways that can go. sissy is more of "ive experienced cruelty and feel bad so why shouldnt they?" Like a drag you down with me kinda mindset.
Personally i dont think sissy did what she did because murder is bad and theyre crazy. I think, with her kinda selfish thought process towards the end, she wanted to stop all this because "if my life is in shambles why shouldnt yours be?" Hence her saying "welcome to adulthood." After basically describing how much life sucks. I think thats why when milk was like i understand both sides she shut down. Because he wasnt taking her side. He stayed impartial.
Welp. People deal with things in different ways. Buh dum dum tisss
Nope, it's actually more of an Asian thing, I think. People here often say something among the lines like,"I've been through the same thing as you, but I'm working my butt off while you're getting happiness the quick but immoral way?!" That sort of thing. Or "I have to work my two jobs off while juggling with my studies and you solve all your problems with drugs?!"
It looks more like fighting with delusions.
in the fort run Sissy plays along in the second run, she confronts them calling out their insanity and blaming them that rather than fighting they kist run away from problems.
But from Sisys' perspective she sees the world as in the second part all the time.
Yes people deal with things differently no one has to be exactly like you. baba booey
@@jacquelinenicole1932 also black some people dont have compassion I work all my life they to lazy to work
@@blackkat2018 bruh what
During the fight with Chili Manly started sounding like Adachi from persona 4
OMG you're right. What a blessed day
"Slaughter them, Magatsu-Izanagi!"
During the Chili boss fight Manly muttering the names of the attacks sometimes matches up to the beat, sounding like some sinister ass lyrics.
Manly thank you for spoiling us with this double upload we love you
The waiter sounds like Gordon Ramsay with his rushing and calling people sissy
I think this game fell flat on its face when it tried to go down the ‘life lessons through edge’ path. It doesn’t work because Milk’s whole ‘this is just how they deal with life’ shtick only applies when people aren’t being drugged, killed and forced to live like those food people just because they got lost. It’d work a bit better if there were a third loop where things in the town aren’t either sugary sweet or edgy as heck, where the food people are still flawed but Sissy is forced to see that those flaws are not as bad as she judges. She is also forced to come to terms with the fact that some of her issues were self-inflicted (not paying staff, too many items, not enough staff), without all this ‘no-one will get in my way’ stuff. Or maybe not have the life less in there and let it be a good horror game, no frills attached.
Well, as Milk said those people are *unable* to fit into normal society so it is not about trying.
Someone like Candy really can't fit in the normal society no matter how she tries :)
I think it would have been better if it was a more “I won’t give up” rather than the “no-one will get in my way.”
I agree with your opinion about the approach.
@@Tigerstarr9 actually “I won’t give up” is the same as “no-one will get in my way.” Sissy was saying that “I won’t give up” 100 times during the last fight :)
@@deltaxcd Yea, You’re right, but I meant like “I’m not going to give up” as in im not going to murder these people. I’m going to escape and get help and not fall into a state of bloodlust hahaha
@@deltaxcd
Because she eats people, and the people of the town just let her. See I’m not saying they need to try to be normal, but that the game only really give you “become part of ” or “reject venomously” options in regards to the townspeople. How about an “accept their different without joining in”’.
Why do they have to have a character like Candy be an example of “accepting differences”, when she obviously needs help or at least keeping away from other people. This story is trying to have a message, whilst ignoring that it’s screwed up to drug people, let cannibals roam free and imprison people. There needs to be a middle ground!
The cooking minigame is just Hell's Kitchen.
Maybe it's a game series based around Roses nightmares 🤔 so every new game is one of her nightmares. And Sissy can't get out cause Rose keeps having the nightmare. I think at the beginning they mentioned she always had nightmares and sometimes the same one over and over.
Either way, Sissy has it ROUGH.
AnimeRose I hope in the next game, Sissy gets out.
I feel like this whole game is Rose's nightmares where Sissy is Rose in her dreams, and these towns people are just how she imagines food to be like irl or something. Or how Sissy/Rose just cant escape from the reality of her situation, even in her dreams since she dreams about kitchen ingredients in horrifying manners.
Basically fucked up fever dreams.
Thinking of beeing trapped like that, in someone nightmares and no where to run away, day after day for you and night after night for them... This sorth of conection seems just awful.
That cooking minigame reminds me of another game available on Steam called Always Sometimes Monsters, that's largely about trying to overcome pointless mindless thankless soul crushing tedium -- and more or less failing at it. I watched a full playthrough of it and ended up buying it and once I psyched myself up enough to play it I only made it about halfway through. Sometimes the most effective horror is not actual horror but stark existential realism. It's pretty dark... _like your soul._
Manly played a game with a similar theme on stream a while back, "Diaries of a Spaceport Janitor." Pretty good at making you feel like you're on the bottom of the universal totem pole.
Wow, sounds like a real life experience! 😅😂 Jokes aside, it really sonds like that.
@Estragon Watched Cryaotic play that game, horrible shitty ending. Even he gets pissed xD
@@picklewart5382 I couldn't remember exactly but now that you mention it that's probably the same playthrough I watched. No joke, it's the kind of story that knocks you down and keeps kicking you while you're begging it to stop.
Wow, that didn't explain anything! Who were those edgy anime characters squatting in the woods? And who is Rose? And why is she a cat? Was everything just a dream?
The edgy anime characters are from a game made by the same creators previous to this one called Veins. And its just as confusing and strange..
maybe the first part is the observation of a child and the second part is the observation of a adult....maybe?
No, it's sissy experiencing this, just how she handles things changes. First time she went with the flow of the weird food cosplayers and got a sugar coated experience (possibly aided by some Hallucinogens). The second go around she was more adament and didn't play along, which resulted in the situation going down hill and seeing wherever this place is for what it is.
I think both times she is experiencing the same thing.
The difference is just that in the form part she decided to play along but on the second part, she confronted them.
very likely she lost her mind at the end of the first part because of being required to live in all that insanity and don't show it.
Now I just feel bad for Passion Fr- I mean sissy.
Chasing a dream that you're unsuited to achieve, but not being able to let go... I know it all too well.
There's those that move on and find new goals, like the people of Food Town, and those that cling to their dreams, no matter how much it hurts them or how many times they fail.
Still, the story leaves many questions unanswered, I hope this is not the end of Passion Fruits story.
Waiter: "Are you working?"
Me: "Maybe if you quit asking I could."
Another cute to dark oldie is Dreaming Mary
He played it already
This playthrough gave me strong Fantasy Maiden's Odd Hideout (which Manly has also played) vibes, myself.
@@indigowendigo8165 I'd recommend the playthrough if you haven't seen it already! You see the twist coming a mile away but the execution is still neat, and I feel like Manly's had a lot of fun commenting that one. :) Good times.
Edit: Plus, the OST. Specifically, this track ruclips.net/video/nPAFNFa9S-c/видео.html
This game really had a lot of potential to develop and I was actually pretty interested on the story aspect of it. I kind of wish she stayed a fruit for a bit instead of getting slain off by Chili like that (more of I wished she kinda start 'eating' the others instead? I imagined the scenario to be that since 'gluttony' in the title and she's a chef as well. But that's just me). I enjoyed the second pathway of her being known as a human more than the first with her being a fruit, but that still lacked a bit and I was disappointed also. Her passion was great and all and while I do understand her being unable to grasp that the town was able to run away from their problems and live on like nothing happened. But at the same time...eh??? It was a weird and not very solid motivation to suddenly slay the whole town because of that. Again, just my opinion.
I wish we knew the characters more too and see them develop in the game. Sissy especially. She worked hard for her job and tried to keep her restaraunt going. She had passion for cooking, was a barista (it was a weird out of nowhere fact but I guess), and...aside from nearly killing a man, that's about it. She went psycho after a talk with Milk and it was such a weird shift of mood. After that, I really couldn't wrap my head around the motive she had for wanting to kill the others.
There's a lot more I could go on about, but this would be a longer comment than it already is haha.
well, that's why we have 2 versions of the game:
in the first loop, she decided to play along and in the end decides that this roleplay os not that bad and feels pretty good.
in the second loop, she confronted everyone rather than playing along, and in the end, rather than accepting this roleplay she called everyone disgusting
But in both versions, it was the same reality.
@@deltaxcd Hi hi! I didn't expect to see a reply to this after a year so seeing this again hit me with nostalgia. But anyways, I like your explanation of 2 versions of the game and honestly, that's one of the biggest key points of this game that stands out (personally).
How it pulls off a nice, seemingly lovely safe space into a spiraling hellish reality the next is something to appreciate definitely! It's the aspect of breaking that "safe space" with this supposedly innocent "role-play" throughout the second play-through that makes this game creepy as hell for sure.
Fax man I agree
Fun fact: Kyrie is god in latin. Foreshadowing?
In Greek, actually. It's more like "a lord, a master" - it can mean both god (any kind of god, Christian or Greek) and, like, a human in a position of power.
He does look like a Deviantart/Asriel Dreemur impression of a god XD
He's apparently just a cameo from other game.
@@drago3036 of hyperrealistic hyperdeath?
Well kyrie is the one who wanted to show sissy the way to the town, and when one of the characters didn't want to talk to sissy he just stared at her an told her to talk, then put p nowhere her personality changed and she started talking a bit. The red eyes are also pretty sus
not done with the video yet but man, if sissy doesn't start serving human meat back at home after this (if there's an ending where she escapes) then i will be MAD disappointed-
actually, yknow what? im good with her just going ape shit too im down with this
@@eliseanderson5591 nah the meat thing stil has to happen thats too good to not come true
Ok
Wait, I'm so confused about this whole thing! What just happened?!!
But what about the dream and loop?
Sissy is what Rose fears she will grow up to
Oh the chef is having a bad day? Boofuckinghoo, everyone has bad days you just got to deal with it, it's life, realistically he would be fired on the spot for being moody towards your boss.
Sissy should have fired him if she has to do all the cooking herself anyway and can seemingly do it faster than him.
@@elmas-world This is old but fuck it I don't care.
Well like she stated,she WAS needing someone to be able to do anything,and the chef did say he helped and he was underpaid. BUUUUUT I agree,even with Sissy's condition he shouldn't be a dick about it and be like "I'm having a bad day leave me alone",I mean he knew Sissy wouldn't be able to pay him fully,if he knew it wasn't going to work for him then why the fuck did he accepted working for her??? And he's not even good at what he does so why the fuck would he do that,he should've just denied her offer and walk away,but no he decides to be a manipulative asshole,also remember the women who complained about her son or husband(idk what it was) "almost" dying from a nut allergy,well who was the one who prepared important parts of the dishes??? That fucking asshole "chef".......poor Sissy :/
Maybe this is a story about whoever this "Rose's" backstory is. Maybe a story about a girl who ran away from her world when she found out her dreams could not come true. In the off chance there are more parts maybe we'll learn about how Sissy became Rose (eh... idk). I am also really curious about how the group around the fire play a role into this especially... Kyrie.
Anyone else notice that in the epilogue, the fruits are getting their liquids through an IV hose? Like they are so dedicated to not moving that they don't even move to drink.
Rules of feywilds.
Don't accept a gift from the fey.
Don't consume the food or drink of the Feywild.
Never dance with a fey.
Never tell a fey your full name.
Never stray from a path in the Feywild.
Use your manners, but don't say "thank you" (or you owe them)
Don't give a Fey (cheap) clothing
Always keep your word.
Don't repay more than you borrowed.
If you land in a feywild like this, always and always, follow the rules. Anything could happen in these worlds. You may end up dead or stuck in a feywild for all eternity if you don’t follow these rules.
There's a mental illness in which the sufferers lose memories of their lives due to trauma, and when they lose their memories they leave their past lives and start new ones.
The grandma of my girlfriend has this. She doesn't miss her memories, she told me.
I have a theory about the people at 31:48. Those could be some of the villagers as normal humans. Tomato and the guy behind the blonde haired girl look very similar for instance.
The edgy emo/goth reminds me of
Dumpling sense they are both quiet.
Candy could have been the blond haired girl, (they’re both very bubbly)
Chili, the blue haired girl (her eyes turn red when she’s angry)
And finally cinnamon is the brown haired girl.
Idk they could be like Sissy’s guide and showing her their reality then vs now. And their story is probably the next sequel is my guess.
Interesting
I think Candy eated the edgy boy, i mean the head looked like him. Poor thing. 😓
But, wait.... Gin is a girl and Cinamon is a guy, how can it be the same persson?
Blue Beka It’s just a guess.
@@bluebeka2458 The gender could be subjective?
I feel Sissy when it comes to being a cook. I worked as one, once. Far too many things to juggle, uncaring or incompetent coworkers, and management snapping their fingers at you wanting you to both make the food fast but also good. Like in the blink of an eye, mr magic chef man can just make food appear. Cause you know, it's not like it takes time to cook, much less make it presentable. Having your boss breathing down your neck and screeching at you is just such a massive help as well. Then it's just me doing the work (on a weekend, no less) and they wonder why things don't get done in a timely manner or why I would get certain things wrong.
Not every place is bad, but yeah, worst job I've held yet. They ordered me one day to take a broom and dust pan out to the parking lot and clean it, and that was my best day there. No yelling, just one task to focus on, cool winter air rather than heat... I even found $5. Such a great day.
i just got the sudden realization why she referred to herself as a passion fruit
what why
Christine / Angel Doan just my own guess but sissy comes off as determined/passion in this route :p thats how i interpret it
@@meiibee ohhh true haha "passion" fruit. i just thought it was a random name for no reason LOL.
I thought it was because her color scheme is purple, white, & yellow.
What an interesting game. I liked the beat in Chili's fight theme song. Thanks for playing Manly.
do not know why this girl had to have a creepy homicidal breakdown over people, like, "running from their problems" when the murder and cannibalism was a perfectly ok thing to be upset about already but ok i guess she had to prove she belonged there all along
hard to take any character in this game seriously, like at least its made very clear sissy is a maniac, but when cinnamon and milk try to frame it as her just being judgemental when theyre actually hurting people, man
I was initially kidding when I suggested that this story takes place amidst a particularly enthusiastic group of food LARPers, however, it seems this presumption weirdly ended up having some veracity after all.
The concluding commentary and evaluation of the game effectively summarized my own opinions, and I agree with Manly’s thoughts on the somewhat inexplicable meta elements that weren’t properly incorporated or connected to the main plot and its underlying themes. Additionally, I do believe the quality of this experience benefited considerably from its inclusion of minor philosophical moments, which seemed to be primarily concerned with discussing the monotony and stress incurred by simply engaging in the repetitious, regimented behaviors concomitant with an average life.
It also appears possible to derive a bit of a dichotomous “fanatical idealism vs. stoic (almost nihilistic) realism” theme from the profoundly contradictory attitudes and perspectives Sissy harbors towards her life, the isolated society, and the enigmatic characters during her first and second loops through the town. Essentially, her initial route could represent the externalization of one’s deepest fantasies, whereby the stringent limitations and regulations of a typical civilization are inapplicable and all citizens are at complete liberty to pursue their dreams without reservation or fear of accountability. Here, Sissy can finally obtain the life as a respected chef that she always aspired, yet failed, to accomplish. The ease of attainment makes acceptance and indoctrination into this society seem immensely compelling, however, entirely supplanting one’s grasp of reality with quixotic fantasies has inevitable and severe ramifications. In this instance, Sissy must agree to the relinquishment of her prior identity and life, while also remaining complicit in allowing all fellow members to act in accordance with their own self-interest, regardless of how potentially dangerous or sanguinary these desires might be. No matter how tantalizing pure idealism sounds in this case, the ethics of unrestrained wish fulfillment and freedom are not quite as noble nor infallible as they seem.
Conversely, the second route demonstrates an antithetical mentality that recognizes and completely capitulates to the harshness of reality. Sissy, in this instance, remains uncompromising in her own identity and recollection of the suffering she endured at the hands of a banal and uncaring society. She can clearly perceive the bloody destruction wrought from this absurd, obsessively escapist village and acknowledges that confrontation with one’s problems is a more reasonable approach to properly contending with life’s numerous potential tribulations. Sissy desires to more realistically pursue her dreams; however, through her eventual adoption of pure austerity and asceticism, she grows to resent the happiness these townsfolk have found by simply abandoning the rigidity of their previous society. This somewhat envious resentment devolves into hatred and the ruthless compulsion to eliminate all who serve as impediments to her ability to prove that the acquisition of her goals is feasible while still operating within the established confines of a normal society.
I suppose this could be summed up as a cautionary tale of sorts, whereby neither full escapist ideology nor calculated, emotionless ambition are particularly salubrious means of attaining true contentment or success in life. The world is decidedly too complex and nebulous for either reductive mentality to be completely effective.
Though I don’t want to continuously ramble on about this relatively short game, I can also perceive some minor discussions and themes appertaining to the concept of transitioning to adulthood. In a sense, to be a bit more concise, Sissy’s journey from the first to second loop can possibly represent the culling of innocent idealism, which is gradually supplanted by fear, frustration, anguish, and a bit of depressive nihilism that can occasionally accompany the burdens and realities of taking on adult responsibilities while still rather young. Perhaps this could be how the meta story surrounding Rose connects to the events of her dreams; she is at an age where the trepidation of encroaching adulthood is causing her to have recurrent nightmares that feature the corruption of her childish dreams, which clash and inharmoniously blend with the intrusive ruminations of her newly adult mind.
I doubt any of these interpretations are accurate in the slightest, but, as always, I enjoyed putting them together regardless. I’m glad to have the opportunity to share my thoughts, no matter how ludicrous they might be. I certainly look forward to the creator’s next work, as this work is rather impressive for a first attempt.
I think you should go into Hello Charlotte and End Roll, since they are miles more interesting than this, and you seem to have enjoyed it enough to analyze it thoroughly.
@@kinzarks1657 Thank you for the suggestions! I believe Manly does have playthroughs for both of those games, so I'll certainly look into watching them!
@@purplebanshee i was thinking something along those lines too!
"Don't give up missed."
That is such a mood.
this needs a sequel. its too weird not to have one.
No matter ending, be it in death or in pain,
*She always ended up being one of them.*
Deep af 👌
This ending was...concerning. it almost makes it sound like sissy doesn't have a really good reason to keep away and even eliminate those people if they're on her path. They're psychos that refuse to get help. But her motivation is too weird. Instead of wanting to survive, go back to life and meaning as she knows, she escapes because she can't accept people are happy? Even though not accepting that murderers and kidnappers are happy is totally excusable because *CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND NATURE ITSELF*
Edit: sissy motivations are also a problem because...the food villagers aren't really happy. They just forcibly ignore their mistakes and deviants to basically drug themselves with their own thoughts.
Yeah
I think that Sissy told the first part of the game as a story to her daughter, Rose as some kind of parable to not give up or whatever. But Rose picked up on the underlying message her mother had felt and dreamt about it. “Don’t let anyone get in your way”
So this whole game is a bedtime story
Manly talks about how the ending didn’t seem resolved enough, but I think that part is very symbolic in itself.
In the first part, she was caught up in the illusions of the town and finally was able to restart once she found out the truth (ie: being eaten).
But in the second part, she realizes what the town truly is, and is unable to leave. This symbolizes that although you can escape your own delusions, you cannot escape reality.
This is solidified by her remembrance of her job and her situation, or her coming to reality. Her sharp and hateful tone towards the others further pushes this hypothesis, as it reveals her resentment that although the others can drown themselves in their delusions and live happily within their fallibilities, she is unable to escape the reality saddled upon her by society.
i still wanna know whats up with cinnamon and dumpling tho
That cooking mini-game lasts for far too long, and it was dreadfully tedious in a way that didn't look comfortable to at the very least control. I'm also pretty sure that this isn't how a restaurant is run, fantasy or otherwise. It's just all a bit toss.
It's also a tad disappointing that the mini-games don't have a specific CG for the deaths, sans the one where you took Cinnamon's axe. Though, how did he find you? Did he just sniff his axe out? Weirdo.
The music in this game is good, but the story - intentionally or not - is just kind of unfortunate. Sissy is unfortunate, the cast of Food Town is unfortunate, and whatever message the themes are trying to say is also extremely unfortunate and undermined by the fact that two of the people in Food Town are serial killing cannibals.
This game isn't really... satisfying? Story-wise? There really isn't much punch or bite to this story. Like the best way to describe this game is "Hm, unfortunate".
You're 100% spot on. Everything you said was what I was thinking. Tbh I don't feel bad for anyone in this town aside from the fruits.... a bad childhood and bullying are not excuses for murder. Its also weird how it feels like the game is painting Sissy's ambition as wrong or toxic in this type of setting. She's literally fighting for her life. Maybe its an Alice in wonderland thing where she's the only "sane"one.
A K Food Town or whatever it really is just screams messed up no matter how you look at it. We have people who escaped from asylums for Christ sake. And Sissy restaurant really need a Gordon Ramsay Kitchen Nightmares episode seeing how her employees are about as competent as Nino
I think all minigames got stressful, from the beginning on the first loop because it was really annoying that every character had a minigame you had to pass to get to the next one, with no good dialogue between them so you start questioning why you were playing if the next thing was not worth it.
It got more interesting on the second loop, but there games got more frustrating as they started to get too long.
Then the ending was a very confusing open ending so it didn't feel like an ending and more like playing a long demo (because it isn't even sequel bait if you don't explain anything, it's just not complete).
About the characters, I think it felt just like shock value that they had messed up versions, at least with the non ending we have right now.
But what I feel is that they don't really escape society to do this very bad things, specially because some of them do really serious crimes.
The characters from the woods are apparently from another game, but I find it curious that the character named Kyrie (that can mean lord or God) is the one who is aware of the loops and who set things in motion by giving her specific directions to go to that specific town.
I think it's possible that everyone is dead already and is in some kind of hell or purgatory. Judging the crimes they commit and also that Milk is apparently there just to look on their behavior and rejoice I think it's probably hell and he's the devil. Probably in this version purgatory is an opportunity you have to accept your guilt instead of living in a bubble.
But I still don't understand why underpaying your staff can compare to eating people.
Thats honestly the whole point of it tho lmao. Do you not see that? Its suppose to be stressful and tedious like things are in real life. Its just like work in real life also, I swear when Im at work it takes forever for it to end lol. Her workers where also dog shit dude lol
I feel like it is intentional that the restaurant was that way. Sissy had the unfortunate decision to start her restaurant big, what got her in debt, and she wasn't able to have proper employees because she couldn't pay them the average salary due to the debt. Also I think that the minigames on the second loop are supposed to be dreadful, it is supposed to make you uncomfortable, because Sissy is in an uncomfortable reality, she is irritated that people simply ran away from their problems when she had to go through all of that shit. The comments I read portray Sissy as a selfish person who victimizes herself, but I think that even though the failure of her restaurant and the unfortunate life she had are kind of her fault I don't think that makes her any less of a victim. She was too ambitious and ended up getting delusional about how running a restaurant would be. But she was too young. Now, the only two cannibals in the city are Candy and Chili. I don't think the story was unsatisfying at all.
One theory that a lot of people think is that they are in a kind of purgatory, but I don't know.
The story is cool and I really liked the concept of people hiding from society but I still got some question like:
-Who exactly were those people in th beginning
-How did Sissy got lost in the forest
-Who exactly is Chili
Except that I found the story very cool
Well she got lost because the main road was closed down.
The people... I don't know, but there's Gin, who I am 100% sure used to be a part of the Food town but escaped. Pretty sure about her due to the name and character design.
Chilli is likely just another member of Food Town but because her...abnornality is more straightforward (straight up just murders people to get off), others avoid her.
I think either chili or kyrie control the loop
I started thinking that chili might be an actual demon, but she could just be one of the original townsfolk because remember. Dumpling said there were more people before but they all "left".
Chili most likely ate some of them considering we can see the corpse of 3 of the people, one of them you met in the beginning and another is the music chick at the end.(gin's head on the ground, someones body behind a tree, and the music chick with antlers hanging in a tree)
So I couldn't help but noticing: Sissy mentioned that Butter might "be one of those girls who looks young," and Bread mentioned that they were "friends since childhood." Taking into account their ages (22&26), it might just be age play that is related to the trauma in Butter's past. Tomato is masochistic, Cinnamon is cross-dressing, Chili shows sadistic tendencies, and milk just likes to watch. The fruit said that they were surprised that milk didn't ask for any lesbian action in return for his help, and that they also just like to lay there and let other's do the work for them. Dumpling was bullied for being mute, and "committed a certain crime in relation to that." This was most likely a school shooting. He's clearly involved with cinnamon, as much as he denies it. The people in the woods are my little pony fanatics. Candy is a cannibal. Basically, most people cast out from society are not dangerous criminals; they are just different. The game shows how Sissy, a normal person, accepts or rejects them.
Omg i laughed so hard on my little pony part, it was unexpected XD
I’d say that they become dangerous when their answer to a fairly normal person stumbling upon their commune is assimilate or imprison, and possibly murder. Seriously all anyone had to say is “no train here” and possibly give Sissy directions to another town and there, you’d don’t have to deal with the intruder or add another person to your ranks. I’d also say that letting someone commit cannibalism is probably a crime.
@@annabella1650 Right? Dumpling could literally just have led her around the town, instead of through, and there wouldn't be any issues.
Milk is basically a voyeur. You mentioning the whole 'watching' part makes a TON more sense.
I don't think dumpling was involved with cinnamon on anything, milk said dumpling found food town by himself and dumpling just barley met cinnamon at food town
I was all invested into the story, until the line "Welcome to adulthood" came up. Couldn't help but laugh. I didn't think the game would go into some kinda life lesson symbolism. I wish there was a route where you could fake being into their lifestyle then leave.
Also since Sissy chose to be a Passion fruit the first round, and if she didn't immediately just die at the end and get time looped,
She would of been in the fruit section with the Strawberry and Grape who said they wanted to do "girl on girl action" to pay back Milk. I wonder if she would of just sat still like them, and got plastic surgery too.
My reaction was the same, but the life lesson symbolism was already there. I found it funny because the game decided to uncerimoniously spell it out to me XD
I think it would have been better if the game gave you the option to accept or reject the town and then you would have the different endings, instead of looping from the acceptance route to the fight against route.
About her being a fruit, I don't think she would do that because the other characters were specially people who were hated upon for doing extreme body mods, as all characters there had different problems with society.
She felt like she wasn't appreciated as a cook and people hated her food, so she being served as a meal made her feel appreciated and also give a good meal to people.
That cooking minigame is every episode of Kitchen Nightmares ever.
Atleast we got to see that "cute little pumpkin" again!
It feels like he's falling to insanity with every repeated Attack word.
20:40 "i wont hesitate beetch!"
You know, I think that chef she hired is giving her recipes to the other restaurants.
It was all right overall. But I do think there should've been a little meat (no pun intended....maybe) to the game. More allusions to Sissy's real life and how she's coping with the stresses and contrasts it with those who are trying to escape their troubles in this warped town.
Some of the characters...also kinda had some unfortunate implications stacked on them because of this plot, but I won't hammer it or anything. Could just be looking too much into it as well.
As a first attempt, it's decent. I'd be curious to see what else the maker of this game does down the line. The art I actually found kinda nice. But I do think maybe next time, try to lower the brightness just a pitch. Sometimes, characters with a bright color scheme faded right into the bright backgrounds.
Rogue Kynd Sissy blended into the tress sometimes.
I thought I was the only one who noticed :v
If I am correct, the developer (UminoAoi) said that there will be more games (and that there is one game that was made a long time ago) that can explain the universe, and one of them will give some hints on Dream of Gluttony. So we have to just wait for another games, because there’s a lot of holes in this game (like, who the hell is Chili, Rose and that guys near the campfire, how this Food Town appeared and etc.)
Thanks Manly for this walkthrough, loved your content after watching Yomawari and Death Mark. Keep going to do great videos!!!
I don't like devs that gives mandatory lore outside the original media. Continuity nods should be optional experience only. The devs only wants to bait us into buying her next game, which, I bet will gives its lore watered down to split it to the next game after that too.
@@letsreadtextbook1687 I don't know how you can be that cynical about someone who is making freeware games.
@@letsreadtextbook1687 you right man
It’ll be cool to see some sort of “Dream of Sin” series, even if it’ll take a while. I’m interested in seeing it all come together.
No wonder why her dream restaurant failed
-She had too many menu choices and not a speciality
-Not enough employees which may or may not have been trained well enough
-Too many ingredients in a too big kitchen
-Why didn't the chef do more ?
Who's to blame for the allergy reaction?
Did the woman or her husband even told the waiter?
Funny thing is, as shown in the first playthrough, her dream would had worked in that town
Yeah
Sissy:*slash*
Chili: I wOnT heSItATE bItCh
So far I’ve seen 2 theories in the comments that I like a lot:
1. This is Fae shit. Some rules of the fae being don’t give them your name, don’t eat their food, don’t accept their gifts. She did all of those things and it was clear those things were meant to be mistakes. Cinnamon gave her a plushie, surprised at how no one had done that yet and called dumpling out on it. Butter was instant on her eating so she could join them. She lost her name and in turn herself.
Oh I forgot, there also rules such as: always be polite, but never say thank you or else you owe them, never stray from the path, do not lie, always keep your word, etc etc. I feel like those also apply.
2. This is the literal 3rd circle of hell. That she killed her customer and now she’s wandering gluttony. The food are now just demons who have given into the hedonism of the hell. The campers are lost souls who have yet to give into it. Dumpling would be like Virgil, guiding her through hell. Milk being Beelzebub, overseeing it all. Chili may be Cerberus preventing the dead from leaving. And Kyrie is masquerading as a lost soul with the intent to corrupt them, aka help them find their “true form”. He definitely gives me “snake misguiding Eve” vibes.
*And Some interesting things to note that I haven’t yet seen discussed:
Tomato looks like a recolored version of Mamoru right? Their personalities seem similar too.
Also, I see Gin dead in the background of Chilis district, and Mitsuru dead in Candy’s.. and they were the only two who actually mentioned wanting to leave, they seemed lost and confused. Teru too..
And what was up with that Gin/Kyrie dynamic? He shut Gin down awfully quick when she began questioning her reality but not Mitsuru, and her entire demeanor changed when he did too, like she just melted into him, yk? Idk.
Anyway, just wanted to gather all my thoughts up, might make for some interesting discussion or something.
This game was building up to be so good, and was drawing on the questionable link between 'fitting in' and being a valid person...but the ending kind of threw all of its depth away, only to conclude with a watered-down 'try harder' message. The characters of Onion and Butter (& Bread) were particularly interesting, but then they were just placed in the same category as the violent characters, all under the tagline of 'abnormality is wrong.' Then the main character walked away feeling really proud of herself for...basically, having a better mental state than people who were all either traumatized or murderous? This whole time, she could have just walked into a mental hospital, said, "Well, well, you're all so sad---unlike me, who obviously tries way harder to to 'fit in' with society than you all" then she could have walked away in self-satisfaction, all gung-ho about solving her restaurant issues (like she did in the game). (On top of that, her problem was never even 'not trying hard enough,' it was not knowing enough about owning a restaurant...Part of solving a problem is making adjustments in response to previous outcomes, not just 'trying hard' continuously...)
YES EXACTLY I came back to this game because I had remembered it before I was going to bed. The next day I finished the series again and I see your comment. Your analysis was absolutely incredible. You addressed many points other people have not. You also mentioned your own kind of interpretation of this kind of story. I love how you describe the seeds the story plants and the established concepts and characters. Looking at it through your lenses it makes me love my favorite character Chili even more. Because by your logic she is the idea of embracing the concept of being abnormal, enigmatic, and bizarre. Without the use of euphemisms or downplaying the seriousness of certain events you can really show an empathetic perspective. Truly intelligent! Not only did you establish your own interpretation with context but you were able to construct a proper foundation without being blinded by external factors. Like how many individuals tied it to something external like the concept of hell. It’s not wrong it’s just a more myopic view in my opinion. ❤
Nothing happens if you try waiting for Dumpling in the first playthrough?
i dont think he would come back..
that ending battle music fucking bangs hard
So, Sissy can't accept that these people run away from their problems, so she became spiteful and violent? I want to say she's being a bit overdramatic. Though some of them are murderers. Should have just run straight home after escaping.
The concept appealed to me right away, and while I was put off by the art style for the most part, at least until, the food people came in, I loved the characters and story so eventually as everything came into light I I grew to actually really like the art style; I think I just had to get used to it and the story fleshed out its character, you could say. The appeal for the art style came from how well it fit the story, how well it suits the designs, and it was a weird but fun change for my mind to go through.
This game reminds me of Paranoia Agent. Not even sure how to explain why, but it just does.
i can see some parallels, honestly.
Now that you mention it...
That was fast, I just finished watching part 3
I love how Manly's voice turns almost possessed at the Chili fight
Feels like a loss of innocence type deal. Maybe someone young just starting to realize that the world isn't as bright and shiny as they thought, and that the future they were so sure about (being a chef) had its own possible pitfalls. So the village looking very happy at first but gradually getting nastier (both in Sissi's meeting Chili and the second playthrough) could be a metaphor for Rose realizing her life isn't going to be as perfect as she might have thought.
Just an idea about a 3 year old playthrough.
I binged this series in one night. I went to bed at 4AM. Thanks, Manly
Did anyone notice that Sissy is fully aware of what is going on the firsts run (because she is just playing along) while the player sees it all fake?
So it looks like she had a pretty hard job to observe all that and act as if everything is fine and maybe that was the reason why she lost her mind in the end when she got in the forest and got eaten by Chilli.
For some reason when Sissy lost her mind player starts to see things the way they are.
Chilli is not a food and not a human either and not apart of that town but for some reason, everyone knows her. Probably she is a metaphor for something.
In the end, when she defeats Chilly, Sissy mentions adulthood.
For me, this game sort of reminds game "The path" which was released earlier and also has some similarity that Red Riding Hood is eaten by the wolf.
This is kinda strange game.
Feels like in both parts Sissy really "cant leave" - in first she became food itself (whatever it means) and in second, grim one she due all torment became not less psychotic then Town inhabitants. She became just like them, one of them. I cant say even which of parts is...better.
And yeah, demanding of everyone to "work hard" just because you put unreachable goal for yourself and now have to beat your head against wall isnt fair. Ok, you think they "wasting their life" but its THEIR life. Yet, i dont anderstand whole "food" fuss and how Milk managed to infiltrate this town.
Additional, very dark note - in first half Dumpling mentions that there was a lot peoples living in Candy district and now its Candy all alone. Does that mean SHE ATE EVERYONE? Its kinda not great to live in such sanctuary for outcasts where one lunatic can literally kill everyone around.
Something tells me the "food" names were just codenames they chose in order to find out if a stranger was actually dangerous or if that's someone that accepted their community. So, when Sissy said she was a passionfruit, herself she didn't think much of it, but to the eyes of the others, they assumed she already accepted their way of living and found it strange she wanted to leave the "community".
And by the end, when Sissy mentions how she can't "leave", it must be because she's actually Rose dreaming of a constant recurrent nightmare. So, she can either accept the fact that she's living a lie or face the gruesome reality that is "Adulthood".
Adulthood level 5 of life
I feel so bad for Tomato boy, all he wanted was to be Dazai
I just finished watching previous episode and now Manly uploaded more omg I am happy
"Killing people is bad!
"They're just quirky"
Gotta crack a few eggs to make that omelette, ya know what I mean?
Parts of the game were just ok... but other parts had me saying, "Oh no... they didn't! They couldn't! OH NO! THEY DID!!" Thank you so much for your videos, they are always entertaining. I don't know where you find some of these games but I love seeing ones that aren't being played on all the rest of RUclips gaming at the moment.
The ending didn't feel very fulfilling, it wasn't very satisfying. Nothing's really explained, but I guess being left to interpretation is a good thing sometimes
I mean, Omori's Ending left the player to decide if Sunny's friends forgave him so it's not necessarily a bad thing.
@@75Damien Yeah sometimes it works lol
You know the ending was alright but I was really expecting her to kind of do a mixture of both where she ate the other ingredients because she was hungry. Or for candy to make a cake out of some of them after finding out the recipe. Oh well I suppose.
_Considering this game has gone on for 4 parts, I’m disappointed_
In the first one, Sissy went along with being a food, so she fit in sort of, the second she stayed human so they were after her. I didn't like the third ending with Sissy suddenly being judgmental because her own life sucks. If you can’t deal with your problems, don’t resent others for finding solutions to theirs, no matter how bizarre.
The game had an interesting premise, but the minigames didn’t add anything. The restaurant one got old after 2 menu items - you can’t possibly be so naïve to open a restaurant without sufficient funds to hire a good chef & staff, so the point of that minigame turned out to be pointless. The battle with Cinnamon went on repetitively for way too long, even with you being an excellent player. If the game was supposed to be about growing up & dealing with life, it should have stuck to building the characters more than padding with minigames. And whatever meta game thing with "Rose" might be teased, nothing made me care enough to be curious about it.
@NaturalFlirtGamer
I’d argue that the others weren’t finding solutions, other than Bread, Butter and possibly Dumpling. Candy was just allowed to kill and eat people, Cinnamon was ‘dealing with the leftovers’, Chilli seemed to be killing people and Milk knew exactly what was going on and turning a blind eye to it because ‘that’s just your opinion man’. Sissy getting judgemental because they were escaping reality was probably the dummest thing she could’ve been mad about, given that she had a lot of other, justified axes to grind. The imprisonment, drugging (implied in loop two and shown in loop one), attempted murder (Cinnamon, Chilli, Tomato and Dumpling), actual murders (Candy) are the things to be angry about. The entire thing feels like it falls on its face when it turn into a ‘face reality’ message.
@@annabella1650 Yeah, the game had a great premise & could have been a funny, biting satire on life with a bit more humor or sarcasm & no mini-games. And I think that may be what the goal was for the game, but it missed.
@NaturalFlirtGamer
I think the message could’ve worked if the cannibalism was cut, and instead Chilli was obsessed with the occult and Candy was taking drugs or something. You could keep the creep factor, whilst also making Sissy’s whole ‘you all disgust me’ bit less justified because they’re not hurting anyone. You can’t play the ‘this is how some people live, accept it’ shtick when they are actively trying to hurt others.
I agree, the game had so much potential but it ended with a weird open ending that didn't explain anything.
Also the characters from the woods are apparently just a cameo from another game and don't have any meaning in this game other than to have a shout-out to that game, so it only makes things more confusing.
I haven't played that game so I don't know if Rose is also from there or if playing the game would make me understand this.
About the minigames, I think it was genius how they used normal RPG Maker walking to create a large variety of games, but in a game about story having too much minigames makes it frustrating to the player, specially if you don't have the programing to add more things.
I think the kitchen minigame wouldn't feel like a drag if it was actually about making exact orders while not burning the food and being quick.
Sissy
1- Makes everything from scratch as soon as a customer orders
2- Has a menu that goes from italian food to pastries to sushi
No wonder she failed lmfao, who could even manage all of that
Why did the music decide to go so fucking hard during chilli boss fight. I wanted to know more about cinnamon. Because it just look like they were living in the power plant that probably run the whole town. Wanted to be a baker or something and made it look like a fact store. As they really were dismembering bodies for the town. Chili was, god idk someone who was a killer who just lived in the town because it was safe. But anyone that wonder to close she would kill to feed her serial killer stuff.
I do belive the real ending is her seeing the town for what it is. And Milk being a scientist just seeing how they function which to a certain extant people know about the town. But no one goes there. (Like some real place in real life. I.e oniontown.)
The protag life is difficult but refuses to give up. And it framed like adulthood when really it just shitty people. Fucking with your life. She see them for what they are. Murders or victims but she no longer feels compassion to see some just need help. But she say selfish thing such they should suffere just like her because it part of adult life. When that clearly not true. Wven tho she has come to thag conclusion she doesn't get to live. Just like the people around the fire. The only one who seems to remeber the town for what it is. Is kyrie and we know nothing about him. The game honestly just need more.
More character devlopment or backstory.
But all around it was a soild, the basic plot/meta is just- who the fuck is rose?! Which i get they couldn't do everything. They are new so im sure things will get better as they contuine.