"A very very bad mistake!" | Dermot Gallagher analyses Luis Diaz disallowed goal vs Tottenham!

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  • Опубликовано: 26 дек 2024

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  • @splinter360
    @splinter360 Год назад +1091

    This goes beyond club loyalty. This isnt even about Liverpool's or any one club. These jokers are literally ruining our game.

    • @fredjenner
      @fredjenner Год назад +30

      😂 Mate nobody cares Liverpool get the dodgiest decisions in their favour all the time. Serves your fanbase right for gaslighting and lying when it's against other teams.

    • @molto1531
      @molto1531 Год назад +69

      ​@@fredjennereveryone who loves football cares.
      There will be lots of obsessed Liverpool haters like yourself that think it's great but who cares about them.

    • @fredjenner
      @fredjenner Год назад +2

      ​@@115MaTTy be more triggered 😂

    • @115MaTTy
      @115MaTTy Год назад +30

      @@fredjenner Who's triggered kid? lol

    • @ap24101988
      @ap24101988 Год назад +8

      @@fredjennerso you think VAR has improved the game or made it worse?

  • @nrox8823
    @nrox8823 Год назад +458

    Dermont’s job is not to defend the referees, it’s to tell us what’s wrong and right. Someone needs to make sure he knows that

    • @davidjacksmith7171
      @davidjacksmith7171 Год назад +18

      EXACTLY! He's there to give his informed opinion on decisions current referees make. It's not personal against him for crying out loud.

    • @jplin888
      @jplin888 Год назад +5

      Exactly

    • @EKensai
      @EKensai Год назад +5

      He feels a sense of loyalty to his profession and ex colleagues and feels retired not ex. I think it's fair enough and shows he has honour about him.

    • @TottoHolm
      @TottoHolm Год назад +12

      It is like seeing a mafia. A gang. No one can critize the refs. No one. Not managers. Not pundits. Not players. Not even the retired referees themselves. Hope Liverpool releases the audio and take them to court.
      About time to outsource referees from abroad.

    • @Newworldman66
      @Newworldman66 Год назад +6

      @nrox8823 Stating what was right and wrong is what he used to do. However, over recent years he seems to have changed tack and is now a de facto brief for refs in the court of public opinion, seemingly always looking to mitigate whenever possible.

  • @tomwilko7841
    @tomwilko7841 Год назад +61

    Warnock did one hell of a job here, he expressed every fan's viewpoint perfectly

  • @rax1977
    @rax1977 Год назад +172

    When being questioned Dermot always looks like he’s thinking “how am I going to get my boys out of this one!?”

    • @abdullahiumar1273
      @abdullahiumar1273 Год назад +14

      It's so annoying man

    • @fabbie3862
      @fabbie3862 Год назад +3

      Yep, old boys club. Closing ranks.

    • @mrbeanie5314
      @mrbeanie5314 Год назад +1

      That's the only reason he's on the show. Deny deny deny

  • @gunnerarshavin2009
    @gunnerarshavin2009 Год назад +139

    Liverpool is correct. This does undermine the integrity of the premier league. I see nothing wrong in Liverpool's statement. A lot of people like me are now suspicious of VAR and refrees...

    • @Jimbob1337
      @Jimbob1337 Год назад +16

      If it looks like a cover-up and smells like a cover-up...

    • @georgewasickanin7933
      @georgewasickanin7933 Год назад +8

      Imagine if Liverpool now loses the league by one point. Liverpool need to sue

    • @Jimbob1337
      @Jimbob1337 Год назад

      @@georgewasickanin7933 if not for their own sakes then for the league at large. Referees must be held accountable for small errors to monumental failures.
      VAR has been shambolic all weekend. The fact it appears there is no oversight to stop "human error" from occurring is scandalous.
      I do hope LFC don't let this go. Enough is enough.

    • @mrb2643
      @mrb2643 Год назад +6

      Sports betting rigged.. this a business and money and this game was an eye opener for blatantly being rigged

    • @Jimbob1337
      @Jimbob1337 Год назад +5

      @@mrb2643 they have at this point two conceivable options. Admit their VAR personnel are woefully inadequate or incompetent; or hide that the match was rigged. The fourth official and both VAR refs were in UAE two days prior. Coincidence?

  • @richard_M7116
    @richard_M7116 Год назад +109

    Dermot protecting his fellow Referees 😢

    • @tf2368
      @tf2368 Год назад +5

      Howard "ManYoo" Webb should be sacked

    • @butler2149
      @butler2149 Год назад

      ​@@tf2368for what 😅😅

    • @joeturnbull9683
      @joeturnbull9683 Год назад +1

      Never seen anybody look that uncomfortable whilst talking. Stephen was spot on. Who could say anything if they stopped the game once they'd realised and released the audio as soon as the game finished?

    • @challenger2031
      @challenger2031 Месяц назад

      I cannot understand his lacking of understanding. He should know what he is on about

  • @XxHandsOfStonexX
    @XxHandsOfStonexX Год назад +1390

    It wasn’t just one mistake but plenty of ridiculous decisions.
    VAR and the ref was an absolute disgrace.

    • @popo-vt4bj
      @popo-vt4bj Год назад +3

      @@oli3028 wat

    • @HecticGlenn
      @HecticGlenn Год назад +11

      Like what? Over reaching much...

    • @oli3028
      @oli3028 Год назад +1

      ​@@popo-vt4bjit's part of bot network. Automated network of accounts that spam comments and can be used to mass upvote your comments to the top of the comment section.

    • @alanchamberlain9902
      @alanchamberlain9902 Год назад

      There needs to be bribery and corruption investigation, these decisions happen way too often.

    • @Wibtlol
      @Wibtlol Год назад +5

      @@fredjenneryou’re the bot

  • @TheRealAko
    @TheRealAko Год назад +116

    All premier clubs should get behind this, it is not just a Liverpool issue.

    • @paullasky6865
      @paullasky6865 Год назад +15

      VAR shouldn't be used for subjective stuff. Automated offside and goal line tech is all that's needed.

    • @josephkerrigan733
      @josephkerrigan733 Год назад +9

      @@paullasky6865 They've invested too much money and want the ability to fix games when they want. VAR is here to stay for as long as the FA exists.

    • @paullasky6865
      @paullasky6865 Год назад

      @@josephkerrigan733 If they wanted to fix games I doubt they would make it so visible. Would have been easier just to pay off the referee without having video analysis in real time and after the fact

    • @legahsee1able
      @legahsee1able Год назад +4

      Should have been like this when it happened to Arsenal last season.

    • @unknown3158
      @unknown3158 Год назад +3

      Exactly, they should form their own league, only then will the EPL learn.

  • @NECinho
    @NECinho Год назад +39

    Even as a City fan I have to feel for liverpool on this. Refereeing in England has been shocking for years.

  • @russell6075
    @russell6075 Год назад +206

    Its not a mistake if they keep doing it every week

    • @tyrant_hermit
      @tyrant_hermit Год назад

      What's the alternative? Stop accusing if you cannot propose an alternative. 🍈

    • @vtuolor
      @vtuolor Год назад +8

      @@tyrant_hermit get someone else who’s going to do a better job than this. Thats an alternative

    • @russell6075
      @russell6075 Год назад +7

      @@tyrant_hermit getting it right first time is literally the alternative. Thats why referees get 100 replays

    • @wyw201
      @wyw201 Год назад +1

      @@tyrant_hermit The alternative is to either get better staff with on pitch experience, or go the machine learning route.

    • @obifinest521
      @obifinest521 Год назад +1

      @@tyrant_hermitYou’re just a pawn 🐑

  • @bobbypinkston9374
    @bobbypinkston9374 Год назад +318

    I’d respect the hell out of any ref who would be willing to stand up to the FA’s scrutiny and fix the mistake. The game is NOT ABOUT YOU. They’ve made it entirely about themselves by standing on their manners and protocol. Steve is 100% right here

    • @mob1662
      @mob1662 Год назад +8

      Well said Bobby 💯

    • @toiletcomputer
      @toiletcomputer Год назад +3

      But robots follow protocol. Perhaps we should get some humans in for this role

    • @oldbloke135
      @oldbloke135 Год назад +10

      There won't be any "scrutiny". The PGMOL have already decided, without any investigation, that it was human error. They aren't even asking why THREE of the match officials were "working" in the UAE (the country that own Man City) two days before this game. How much were they paid for this "work" and who paid them?

    • @bobbypinkston9374
      @bobbypinkston9374 Год назад +1

      @@oldbloke135 this is the equivalent of a lawyer getting liquored up at a conference held by the opposition firm, only to accidentally accept a guilty plea for their client a few days later. No attorney who does that isn’t stood before the bar and torn to shreds publicly.

    • @richard_M7116
      @richard_M7116 Год назад

      @@toiletcomputer😂😂😂 your bad

  • @JamellRene
    @JamellRene Год назад +237

    This whole segment had potential to be positive, thought provoking and really interesting.
    Instead we got 4 people trying their best to not offend anyone. What VAR has done is criminal so unless we are willing to talk about it more open and honestly what’s the point.
    The retired ref could’ve offered wisdom, advice moving forward, radical changes instead of just trying to protect his tribe.

    • @TottoHolm
      @TottoHolm Год назад +16

      Think the dude with the khaki pants did a good job of playing Devil's advocate, but Sky Sports have their own agenda.

    • @dermottcolee145
      @dermottcolee145 Год назад +5

      ​@@TottoHolm because he's the only former player

    • @daveeastcott9323
      @daveeastcott9323 Год назад

      It's Dermot Gallagher mate. He's brain dead from the feet up...always has been...
      Don't remember how bad a ref he was?? Perhaps we should ask to see his foundation's bank accounts...
      PAID OFF LIKE THE REST, NO DOUBT

  • @harryfc20
    @harryfc20 Год назад +175

    Dermot wouldn’t understand integrity if it sat on his face

  • @DiamondDaveX
    @DiamondDaveX Год назад +148

    Everybody makes mistakes, but the idea that there’s no mechanism to rectify ones as big as this as soon as it’s possible to do so is simply unacceptable.

    • @bipolarminddroppings
      @bipolarminddroppings Год назад

      I think the rules are that once play resumes, that's it, they cant then change the decision.

    • @DiamondDaveX
      @DiamondDaveX Год назад +9

      @@bipolarminddroppings yeah, seems so. Hopefully this situation will change that, as it’s a ludicrous rule.

    • @gaiusjcaesar09
      @gaiusjcaesar09 Год назад +5

      I mean they only had 30 seconds to bring the ball for a free kick to correct it... the audio needs to be released to show these guys as incompetent rather than fraudsters

    • @BoyvanHeugten
      @BoyvanHeugten Год назад

      Mistakes can happen. But we're talking multiple unlikely mistakes COMPOUNDING. How can that stuff happen? There is a check for a check.

  • @EnlightenedTurtle
    @EnlightenedTurtle Год назад +147

    Diaz's goal, Salah got booked for nothing, it was a foul on him.
    Robbo got robbed as well, as did Gakpo when he got snapped, the blatent corners denied, VAR intervened and showed only a still of Curtis's challenge, as Jones was being pulled back and actually got to the ball first and there was more controversial decisions, with nefarious actions around them.
    This is a bad look, it smells of corruption, but no-one will say it.

    • @zafar2155
      @zafar2155 Год назад +11

      Totally agree with you

    • @chrisking8579
      @chrisking8579 Год назад +1

      No corruption just incompetence

    • @pleasantville4529
      @pleasantville4529 Год назад +2

      Should have been at least ten red cards for Spurs.

    • @negritoojosclaros
      @negritoojosclaros Год назад

      ​@@chrisking8579incompetence may be when theres only one player, and when is not repetition

    • @naifalotaibi7213
      @naifalotaibi7213 Год назад +6

      And Tottenham player (left back) on a yellow waiving the imaginary yellow for jotta’s second yellow… they give yellows for doing so… he should’ve been red carded

  • @angusmacangus3181
    @angusmacangus3181 Год назад +219

    They chose to not award the goal even after they knew they made a mistake. That was less than a minute after. That's the worst part.

    • @bipolarminddroppings
      @bipolarminddroppings Год назад +13

      The game had already restarted. The refs cant just make up rules.
      The FA need to change the rules so that huge errors can be corrected.

    • @nandopatoch
      @nandopatoch Год назад +2

      ​​@@bipolarminddroppingsWhat about the Man U v Brighton game. The final whistle was blown, the referee decided to give a penalty after the game had ended.
      According to the International Football Association Board (IFAB), there are no time restrictions for reviewing incidents.

    • @Bluearmy76
      @Bluearmy76 Год назад +2

      @@bipolarminddroppingsthey have brought players back onto the pitch after the final whistle with players already down the tunnel 🤷‍♂️

    • @advenco344
      @advenco344 Год назад +1

      @@bipolarminddroppingsthey already broke the rules by disallowing a legitimate goal.

    • @stuartives
      @stuartives Год назад

      @@nandopatochthere are specific rules for penalties being awarded. You’re comparing apples and oranges here

  • @b0sH
    @b0sH Год назад +91

    Dermot's a law robot. I'm not a Liverpool fan but they're entirely right. For years they've hidden behind the "we're only human" excuse. It's now obvious that even with the tools, there are too many of them who are entirely incompetent and lack even the most basic common sense or understanding of the wider game. They only understand the rule book and even that they can't apply properly!

    • @afckajjansi
      @afckajjansi Год назад +1

      They don't even understand the book bc then man utd wouldn't have been awarded a penalty against brighton after game ended and players walked off.

  • @YildizWarzone
    @YildizWarzone Год назад +249

    This is not just a mistake, it is straight up MATCH FIXING at the highest level

    • @eirebhoy132
      @eirebhoy132 Год назад

      @MissMcQueenif the scenario being described is accurate there is no corruption is why 🤦🏻‍♂️ if the ref thought he was checking if the goal should stand he didn’t need to draw lines it was obvious he was onside and why the check was so quick.

    • @FreedomOfTħought
      @FreedomOfTħought Год назад +1

      @MissMcQueenAny talk of corruption is fairly ridiculous considering the fact that the audio communication is recorded. So hopefully get to hear the audio if released.

    • @tryingtogame8800
      @tryingtogame8800 Год назад +5

      ​@@FreedomOfTħoughtand what if we dont get tp hear the audio then what?

    • @FreedomOfTħought
      @FreedomOfTħought Год назад +3

      @@tryingtogame8800 We'll have to wait and see why they would refuse to release the audio. If they refuse to release the audio it would only make it worse for PGMOL. Liverpool have already formally requested this audio to be released. So let's wait and see. I hope they release it. I also hope for their sake that it is nothing but a lapse in judgment because anything questionable said in that audio will cause this whole thing to escalate and rightly so.

    • @adam.677
      @adam.677 Год назад

      ​@@FreedomOfTħoughtcoping much?

  • @chriscotterill2267
    @chriscotterill2267 Год назад +193

    Dermot stating he disagrees about sporting integrity, but fails to understand that if the process is not being fairly used consistently and it costs teams at the end of the season, like Liverpool missing out on something by a point, the integrity of the competition is affected. Difficult to see how this system was meant to eliminate subjectivity and support referees, but is doing the opposite.

    • @lolollololol2758
      @lolollololol2758 Год назад

      Hes just a PGMOL stooge, incapable of independent thought that would contravene the word of his previous employers

    • @stnbch3025
      @stnbch3025 Год назад +10

      He literally said he doesn't understand that statement about integrity 😂😂😂

    • @hamonryechinaski180
      @hamonryechinaski180 Год назад +5

      He knows, he's playing dumb.
      Same guy made poor decision against LFC last time too.
      So is there integrity?

    • @CalHarding01
      @CalHarding01 Год назад +2

      ​@@stnbch3025 It was when he said that he doesn’t understand what they mean by integrity that I realised he really is an English referee.

    • @kungfustu2
      @kungfustu2 Год назад +1

      Can we all just remember that lots of bad decisions happened before we had VAR. The question we should be asking is how many bad decisions are made now vs before.

  • @SR-tl8fv
    @SR-tl8fv Год назад +316

    I really don't get how badly they get these easy decisions wrong. Onana pen vs. wolves were so easy, but they got wrong. Diaz offside so easy, but they get wrong

    • @Nunyabusiness40
      @Nunyabusiness40 Год назад +16

      It’s as if it’s more believable cheating/match fixing is involved rather than professionals being highly paid + with the assistance of VAR, are making these mistakes so consistently that incompetence seems too far fetched.

    • @FF-oo8nz
      @FF-oo8nz Год назад +8

      Also Garnacho goals vs Arsenal. Hand ball of Palace in the box vs Utd. Ton of mistakes

    • @SR-tl8fv
      @SR-tl8fv Год назад +1

      @FF-oo8nz yh garnacho one was offside, its not about your team but its about football

    • @FF-oo8nz
      @FF-oo8nz Год назад +5

      @@SR-tl8fv he wasn't tough

    • @SR-tl8fv
      @SR-tl8fv Год назад

      @@FF-oo8nz ok

  • @myscubamentor
    @myscubamentor Год назад +21

    If they had have blown the whistle as soon as they realised which would have been a few seconds after the restart. The ref calls over Klopp and Ange and explains the situation then gives the goal. We would all be applauding. Nobody is angry at a mistake, they are angry at the handling of the mistake.

    • @ronniewanendeya6625
      @ronniewanendeya6625 Год назад

      Even just calling up the captains

    • @SR8th
      @SR8th Год назад +1

      Once the game is restarted, the rule/law is that you can't go back. The referee would be reprimanded to do such a thing. The only Caveat being that Ange implore the ref to award a goal, but he would have not known what was going on, so that was never going to happen.

  • @djl7848
    @djl7848 Год назад +316

    Wow Dermot criticising a decision, I never thought I’d see the day

    • @madam051
      @madam051 Год назад +78

      Still trying to defend it though by saying 'mistakes happen all the time' 😅😅

    • @RD-zx6py
      @RD-zx6py Год назад

      @@madam051 VAR isn't the problem. The standard of officiating is and until we remove and replace these incompetent - or worse still potentially corrupt - referees then it's not going to approve.

    • @SeanFFZS
      @SeanFFZS Год назад +20

      Not fully though is he he’s still giving the generic neutral answers aswell and sitting on the fence a bit

    • @paulis4u
      @paulis4u Год назад +8

      Bet he'd defend the decision if PGMOL didn't come out and apologise

    • @colincolin5696
      @colincolin5696 Год назад +5

      You can only lie for so long

  • @adarshrai6050
    @adarshrai6050 Год назад +27

    6/7 people making a mistake at the same time? That's no mistake

  • @l3eatalphal3eatalpha
    @l3eatalphal3eatalpha Год назад +2

    The exact problem with VAR:
    "Somebody should have been checking that VAR was correct."

  • @Marc22.
    @Marc22. Год назад +1513

    It’s not a mistake, it’s a catastrophe

    • @aidangriffiths5075
      @aidangriffiths5075 Год назад +80

      It's a mistake, its a game of football. Relax

    • @NoContextRDH
      @NoContextRDH Год назад +73

      The earthquake in turkey was a catastrophe. This is a football game

    • @Wibtlol
      @Wibtlol Год назад +86

      @@aidangriffiths5075No, it’s not simply the game of football. It’s a multi-billion $€£ industry that employs thousands of people at the elite level. One point can be the difference between champions and who’s relegated. Your attempt to dismiss the problem is simply unacceptable. No real football fan wants this to continue.

    • @OTB2002
      @OTB2002 Год назад +32

      @@NoContextRDHit’s not just a game though, it’s a business

    • @oyisa1700
      @oyisa1700 Год назад +18

      ​@@aidangriffiths5075 it's not a mistake when it's always occuring they affect lots of teams and sorry everytime is just not gonna cut it

  • @Kizzster
    @Kizzster Год назад +79

    By sporting integrity undermined it means you have spoiled Liverpool's chance to go top of the table with the red card, offside goal and 1 wrong yellow card decision on Jota. In a massive game like that these decisions are unforgivable.

    • @ComradeOgilvy1984
      @ComradeOgilvy1984 Год назад +10

      And failed to give a yellow to two Tottenham players waving for a booking.
      Remember when it was a rule that dinged MacAllister a few weeks ago after he got dumped from behind? Well, that "rule" got rescinded. Sort of. Maybe. Who knows?

    • @TheGreatVivek7
      @TheGreatVivek7 Год назад

      It means the match was fixed

  • @BrianHSC
    @BrianHSC Год назад +3

    They should be saying "Off side" or "On side" Not "Check complete". It is systematic error.

  • @liamcotter1830
    @liamcotter1830 Год назад +63

    Dermot still can’t help himself trying to have common sense. Protecting his mates as much as he can.

  • @drumnbassdan
    @drumnbassdan Год назад +140

    Its crazy to me, you didnt need any lines it was onside so obviously.... and Diaz what a finish, such a great goal. I think that nobody was even in the VAR room.... its so so bad but clubs have to start fighting these terrible decisions, they can cost teams titles/relegations etc.

    • @mikeed26
      @mikeed26 Год назад +11

      They knew it was onside, there was a miscommunication between VAR and the Ref

    • @denisako6493
      @denisako6493 Год назад +13

      ​@@mikeed264 people miscommunicated that's 4 different brains 8 different eyes and ears. That's crazy

  • @xolzankstar4853
    @xolzankstar4853 Год назад +26

    It wasn’t just a mistake it was a horrific event

  • @room101b7
    @room101b7 Год назад +143

    They say it's "human error", and we all have sympathy with someone making an honest mistake. But, I think they are avoiding the issue. What are the procedures? What actually happened? If all it takes is someone to slightly mishear something and we get a wrong decision then the issues are much deeper. And why didn't we get the lines drawn to show it was onside? That hasn't been explained. Don't we usually get a picture with the lines drawn, regardless of whether it is eventually called onside or offside?

    • @MB0519x
      @MB0519x Год назад +13

      It is clearly the process. They make so many mistakes and blame human error when it is their application of VAR which leads to so many errors. The leadership is terrible to allow them all to shout over each other while trying to make a decision and they are generally all bad referees with no common sense. We see VAR being used properly in many other competitions and sports. It is English referees who are the problem not VAR

    • @dangoldring146
      @dangoldring146 Год назад +15

      It is a clearly corrupt match-fixing

    • @c.s3369
      @c.s3369 Год назад +8

      There's no error, they just cheated. People are really doing mental gymnastics to make it seem like an errorr

    • @TwistedSoul2002
      @TwistedSoul2002 Год назад +5

      They didn’t draw the lines because they thought it was obviously onside.
      That’s why he said, “check complete”.
      Because it was so ‘clearly’ onside, the VAR team thought they gave it as a goal and didn’t realise until later that the linesman had flagged it for offside.
      The real problem was, why didn’t they highlight this to the referee once they realised the goal wasn’t given.
      They will argue that once play had restarted (following the freekick) they were powerless to intervene which is the bone of contention, they should have, irrespective of protocol, screamed in the referee’s ears to stop the play and award a goal.

    • @Jimbob1337
      @Jimbob1337 Год назад +11

      This is not an error, this is them lying.
      Suppose they are correct in their belief. Why did they put on the screen "disallowed goal" if it was a goal on field?
      Suppose it's the other way? They believed it was offside on the pitch. Why would they not show the lines as normal?
      The refs got this wholly wrong. Now the cover up will be worse than the crime. Way worse.

  • @jackpercy3285
    @jackpercy3285 Год назад +66

    The problem isn’t just this wrong decision, it’s all of them that they are making week in week out which is a disgrace

    • @chilled99
      @chilled99 Год назад +5

      Multiple wrong decisions in this one match alone plus a huge number this season for all clubs indeed. Disgraceful.

    • @minimead368
      @minimead368 Год назад +1

      It’s the one thing ex referees and pundits avoid and do not talk about, the standard of refereeing in the English league’s is poor and has been bad for a long time. These Ex refs now pundits cover up the poor refereeing decisions by making up new interpretations to the laws to hide the fact the on field ref got it wrong. The reason VAR doesn’t work is because it’s these on field refs monitoring it. So you have poor performing referees on the pitch being monitored by poor referees off the pitch

  • @themummy2820
    @themummy2820 Год назад +31

    When players did mistakes they’ll get red card
    When referees did mistakes
    Its just happened 😢

    • @jonfromtheuk467
      @jonfromtheuk467 Год назад +3

      they did get dropped from officiating the next match at least though

    • @smartgenes1
      @smartgenes1 Год назад +1

      Not true though, they can even get relegated, thought it was harsh what happened to Uriah Rennie.

    • @jonfromtheuk467
      @jonfromtheuk467 Год назад +1

      @@smartgenes1 please do give us your apology when they DONT officiate this weekend....

  • @rld1982
    @rld1982 Год назад +76

    Dermot Gallagher's response to "how can the process be improved" shows the mindset and capability of the people who are selected to perform as referees.
    "Reminding officials of what they're supposed to do" is insufficient.
    You only have to watch other sports with video refereeing to see that the first step to prevent this from happening again is for the on-field decision to be communicated, so that the VAR officials can check to see whether that is correct. It's not rocket-science!

    • @nezkeys79
      @nezkeys79 Год назад +1

      Yup his answer there was terrible. In fact his answers to most of the points on the screen were vague cringe. Just comes across like a typical virtue signaller in the moment 😅 "this is bad and can't happen again" until it happens again then repeat

    • @jyeesing
      @jyeesing Год назад

      to respond to questions like those using the football laws would b difficult for anyone bcz the laws are technical. the process in dealing with VAR is difficult to explain cz England modified it to their liking in comparisons to the rest of the world.

  • @williamfence566
    @williamfence566 Год назад +52

    You can stop the game for any reason the ref sees fit ( serious injury for example ) . VAR should have communicated with the referee as soon as it was clear to them the restart wasn't from the centre circle. Those few seconds allows the goal to be given ( correctly ) and the game to re commence.

    • @bragekv9937
      @bragekv9937 Год назад +7

      agree, we have seen freekicks been retaken. As soon as spurs hit the freekick VAR should hav said to stop the game and award the goal. Ref could have blown the whistle 3-5 sec after the game started. it would have been fine.

    • @jyeesing
      @jyeesing Год назад

      technically u can't do that. it would av fixed the goal issue but the referees would breaking another law

    • @edwardoemiliano8018
      @edwardoemiliano8018 Год назад +5

      ​@@jyeesingwell they break the law when they don't whistle a penalty for clear handballs or wrongly disallowing goals so breaking the law is really not an issue for them.

    • @FreedomOfTħought
      @FreedomOfTħought Год назад +2

      @@jyeesing The longer you wait to correct the mistake, the worse the outcome will be.
      I think a the law that was mentioned in the video should be amended so that the referee can stop the game in a similar way it would for mistaken identity, a violent incident or a head or severe injury (cardiac arrest for example) elsewhere on the pitch, if it has been concluded that the VAR has detected a fatal error made by either the on-field ref or the VAR themselves. What would a counterargument for this look like? I can't think of one. I can't see such an amendment being abused, because as of now, referees rarely stop play for any of the other criteria mentioned previously, so why would they for this? I think it's a simple solution.
      1. Add the amendment.
      2. Enforce a clear style of communication between ref and VAR. Instead of "check complete" -> "Offside. Check over." / "Goal. Check over."

    • @jyeesing
      @jyeesing Год назад

      @@FreedomOfTħought very good points. It wud take some amending of the law to make it possible but as it is now, it wudnt av been legal. But imo from wat i kno england hav changed the whole var protocol to suit themselves n made a mockery of the system. How var is used in other parts of the world is not the same in england so the problem lies with the instructions given by the english head of refereeing

  • @limdoo6473
    @limdoo6473 Год назад +9

    The fact that in the past year alone there have been at least 14 decisions bad enough that the refereeing body had to come out and publicly apologise without any repercussions for the same people making the same ‘mistakes’ is insane. Like there’s 14 so bad that they had to come out to apologise, not behind the scenes discussions, public apologies. There have been hundreds of bad decisions and mistakes but the fact that 14 were THAT bad there’s an issue

  • @Flamable1
    @Flamable1 Год назад +39

    The integrity of the game is 100% at stake, people are beginning to question if there is corruption in PGMOL because professional refs should not be making so many shocking decisions

    • @Naah.faaaam
      @Naah.faaaam Год назад

      Refs literally control the game. If you didn’t know. It’s become a show. Like WWE.

    • @MB-jn5zi
      @MB-jn5zi Год назад +1

      I completely agree, 2 VAR refs getting it wrong starts looking very suspicious, especially paired with all the crazy on field decisions that game. I want to believe there was no corruption involved but if something waddles, goes quack quack and swims away it is usually a duck

  • @darudesandstrom1067
    @darudesandstrom1067 Год назад +150

    In light of what has happened with Barcelona recently, I think the integrity of football officiating has to be called into question.
    I think match fixing should be a topic taken seriously, especially now. There’s so much money depending on football so for people to suggest it’s a crazy idea that people WOULD NOT try to fix the games is bizarre.
    If Barcelona and juventus can do it then it’s a very real possibility at this point

    • @liven881122
      @liven881122 Год назад +1

      well said..

    • @chrisvassiliou889
      @chrisvassiliou889 Год назад

      suppose all sending off and Diaz goal disallowed was fix , was the Matic own goal fixed too

    • @mariohabjan967
      @mariohabjan967 Год назад

      Referees been paid of same as in Qatar vs Ecuador.

    • @excalibermax
      @excalibermax Год назад

      @@chrisvassiliou889first red under letter is a red,first yellow is a joke undogie goes into jotas path clips his knee then four seconds later clips his own feet 🦶 together and falls over !

    • @Mr_jz_12
      @Mr_jz_12 Год назад

      @@chrisvassiliou889 Matic on goal? Why would matic be on the pitch for a spurs vs liverpool match?
      and yes you could argue the rest of the decisions were too. Jones' straight red is never a red (law of game states this), Jota gets first yellow for a player diving, gomez should have got a penalty.

  • @ckgoogl
    @ckgoogl Год назад +2

    1) The on-field ref simply must tell the VAR officials what the on-field call is.
    2) Instead of these "Check complete" ambiguities, they must add "good goal" or "off-side" to the response. Make it "Good goal, Check complete, Good goal", and "Off-side, Check complete, Off-side."
    3) When the refs realize a mistake of such magnitude has been made, the ref should be able to stop the game, pull the two managers together, show them the video of why the call was wrong, and correct it to the right decision,
    4) Only VAR specialist will do VAR. Don't let the refs rotate between on-field and VAR duties from game to game.
    5) The refs and VAR officials who are responsible for this mistake are just as clumsy as Curtis Jones' challenge that got him red-carded. No ill-intend, but clumsiness. The difference is that Jones’ challenge was potentially damaging but this refs’ mistake is proven damaging. If Jones is banned for 3 games, how many games are these VAR officials getting banned? The "gods" at PGMOL must make that transparent if Howard Webb wasn't faking it when he emphasized transparency.
    6) At the end of the PL season, if Liverpool misses out on anything by 3 points, or if Tottenham qualifies/wins anything by 3 points, an asterisk needs to be put next to the PL table to indicate the refs' mistake contributes to that final standing. This refs' mistake must be engraved into the PL history forever moving forward.

  • @johnnysheehy
    @johnnysheehy Год назад +30

    Dermot doesn't understand the integrity being called into question. Yes he does. He's blindly backing his ref mates. Losing integrity to not even attempt to work out what that statement means. It's actually very clear.

  • @SuperKimjong
    @SuperKimjong Год назад +29

    "No way it should happen again" - It DID happen again because it happened against Arsenal in their title race when playing Brentford last season. VAR drew the lines on the wrong player and allowed a clear offside goal.

    • @MadmanMario
      @MadmanMario Год назад +1

      Wasn't that when the VAR forgot to draw the lines?

    • @peterdavis6682
      @peterdavis6682 Год назад

      Was that not allowing an offside goal to stand and not an onside goal to be disallowed.???

    • @SuperKimjong
      @SuperKimjong Год назад

      @@MadmanMario I think they drew them on the wrong passage of play, didn't take it from the pass the led to the goal

  • @theoneandonlygus1
    @theoneandonlygus1 Год назад +6

    I really dont know why after they knew a error had been made after a few seconds someone in the VAR office didnt just shout out to the ref and tell him it was the wrong decision and a goal should be awarded,
    they must of noticed them about to take the free kick surely.

  • @ScottyDo3sntKnow
    @ScottyDo3sntKnow Год назад +95

    “Referees make mistakes all the time” that in itself is the problem

    • @jinx20001
      @jinx20001 Год назад +2

      without refs making mistakes football would be a cold boring game, mistakes bring drama and controversy, it creates talking points and im quite happy in 2023 we still have humans in control of a human sport with all the downsides that come with being human. How are we so quick to blame the refs when players dive left right and centre in order to deceive the ref. Its actually tactical to dive these days, see a player coming in to challenge wait for the challenge to actually come in, tap the ball 3 feet further ahead so they were never going to touch it and go down like you just shot in both legs... whats the aim of this, to get that player booked and you a free kick, absolutely no other reason but to deceive the ref and you are actually saying that refs making mistakes all the time is a problem lol

    • @paullasky6865
      @paullasky6865 Год назад +1

      A lot of it is subjective. It isn't solvable.

    • @jinx20001
      @jinx20001 Год назад +2

      @@paullasky6865 well it is solvable, we remove the human factor completely, have two teams of robots play the game officiated by robots and a mistake will never be made, players wont be diving all over the place screaming like babies to get a player a yellow, the robot officials have laser accurate eyeballs and never miss an offside and the ref never gets tired, never wipes sweat from his brow and never gets a decision wrong...
      sounds like something i would never want to watch. Its not solvable because as long as its a sport in which humans play and officiate there will be mistakes made, players will always try to deceive the ref, this isn't a game like snooker where players admit to mistakes for sportmanship, its the most unsportsmanlike game in the world and honestly, its all the better for it, we need mistakes made, we need on and off pitch drama, we need refs who are not perfect, its a game.

    • @Nobody7881
      @Nobody7881 Год назад +1

      That's why VAR is here to eliminate referee mistake, but VAR created another referee mistake. This is getting more and more bizarre....

    • @kelvinflomo5025
      @kelvinflomo5025 Год назад

      This is match fixing and they trying to cover it up...there should be a full criminal investigation

  • @eves15
    @eves15 Год назад +176

    For me it’s about communication. Firstly, VAR shouldn’t be assuming, they could ask to confirm the on field decision. And secondly, rather than being ambiguous and saying “check complete”, they could say “you can award the goal” or similar. With those small things, VAR knows what the ref thought and then the ref knows what decision VAR has come to.

    • @mccleandazza4618
      @mccleandazza4618 Год назад +7

      Exactly why wasn't someone jn var screaming " Simon it's a goal ..goal goal !!!!!
      Or 4th official who also can hear waving at the ref to say there's been a mistake

    • @mariohabjan967
      @mariohabjan967 Год назад +4

      Referees been paid of same as in Qatar vs Ecuador.

    • @radiyahya363
      @radiyahya363 Год назад +13

      Release the conversation audio between the reff and VAR

    • @VolTheProducer
      @VolTheProducer Год назад +2

      Confirming the decision at either end would have resolved this - If VAR had to confirm the onfield decision before checking the goal, or the ref had to confirm VAR's decison this would be a non-event. It should really be both...

    • @really9238
      @really9238 Год назад +3

      As a test they should 13year olds to run VAR. I'm confident there would be more common sense than these current monkeys ruining the show.

  • @panyilao5175
    @panyilao5175 Год назад +13

    One question only: If the VAR didn’t tell anyone through the communication system they were using that they have made a serious error right at the moment they realised they had made a mistake, then this is a problem of integrity. If they speak out immediately, I don’t think the situation cannot be resolved in some way. Now the VARs made the on field ref and the whole system a total joke.

  • @gavindoyle692
    @gavindoyle692 Год назад +36

    Why don’t fans get to listen to the VAR decision live like we can when listening to the TMO in rugby? It’s clear and straightforward. No need for football to go down this cloak and dagger nonsense.

    • @paulreid1480
      @paulreid1480 Год назад +2

      Because there’s clearly something sinister going on.

  • @MrMortyBaby
    @MrMortyBaby Год назад +28

    It’s not a mistake. They didn’t even draw the lines and check it. They just allowed what was called on the field.

  • @s22t
    @s22t Год назад +1

    The idea from the guy with glasses that the referee would have 'allowed' a 'goal' is absolutely ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous idea from an actual adult.

  • @george_naylor
    @george_naylor Год назад +22

    "I dont understand what that means " yeah that's the problem Dermot👍

  • @alexavfclineham7301
    @alexavfclineham7301 Год назад +24

    Im surprised Dermot didn't try and say they got it right, he usually does

    • @nichobee
      @nichobee Год назад +5

      Nah he still disgraced himself, I dONt unDERStAnD lIVerpOoLs STaTement

  • @Gchodahitman
    @Gchodahitman Год назад +1

    but we heard the audio, they spoke and said that Liverpool had scored and ended saying its to late to stop the game

  • @bipolarminddroppings
    @bipolarminddroppings Год назад +196

    As a Spurs fan, the refereeing in that match was abysmal. The first red card was bonkers, he didnt go in harshly, his foot slipped over the ball and it ended badly.
    As for the disallowed goal, they should be given it after the fact and the game should be a draw.
    They need to change the rules so that if a huge error is made, they can fix it.

    • @BobJJ9999
      @BobJJ9999 Год назад +19

      Red card all day long

    • @DiscordantVice
      @DiscordantVice Год назад +11

      The first red card was not a bad decision. He’s not in control, and could have ended badly. So that I’d say 50/50 yellow/red.
      The second red is say the first yellow was harsh but he’s just been warned and knew what he was doing. The second yellow he’s lost his head and let his team down.
      The offside was terrible, but it is human error. They need to tighten up the process and make sure it doesn’t happen again.

    • @krishenchetty2536
      @krishenchetty2536 Год назад +6

      It was a red card, according to what the guidance for a red card is for dangerous play.
      - Not in control of body
      - over the top of the ball
      - Significant impact on opposing player
      - Potential for causing a significant injury
      There's almost no difference to several that have been handed out this season. The only difference was that he grazed the top of the ball, and the reason he did is because he lunged in, not in control of his body.

    • @davidteo5226
      @davidteo5226 Год назад +1

      Is PGMOL willing to compensate the damage done to Liverpool in mine personal opinion let the lawyer of Liverpool do the talking cos PGMOL is just simply incompetent Liverpool must seek justice for the fans sake cos they are paying alot of £££££££ to watch the beautiful game ican say justice all the way

    • @danoh561
      @danoh561 Год назад +2

      @@krishenchetty2536there wasn’t significant impact tho, that’s why these replays need to be shown in full time. In slo Mo yes it looks like a large impact but in real time it’s nothing of the sort

  • @scottp4357
    @scottp4357 Год назад +21

    Dermot makes sitting on the fence into an art form

  • @mohra968
    @mohra968 Год назад +1

    İ lost my confidence in VAR last season. I even heard a commentator say "no guarantee they will draw the lines from the correct angles" and that was last season.

  • @robbieclarke4530
    @robbieclarke4530 Год назад +58

    This error is different to other howlers as it isn’t a subjective error the offside is an objective call and therefore is based on fact- goal or no goal. This is why the integrity of the game is being undermined as the VAR knew it was a goal for the whole game but did nothing. It isn’t a judgement which can have differing opinions and therefore the result should really be void (though not sure anyone expects that outcome in reality)

    • @chrisvassiliou889
      @chrisvassiliou889 Год назад

      mistakes intenional or otherwise are happening in every game , should the referee get a review at halftime and give a penalty , allow or disallow a goal, It happened , most temas have been at the wrong end of a VAR mistake , why so much talk this time,

    • @paullasky6865
      @paullasky6865 Год назад +3

      Pedro mendes goal Vs man United.

    • @rossbenton8855
      @rossbenton8855 Год назад +3

      @@chrisvassiliou889he said it already…. This is the biggest howler from the refs. EVERYONE should be up in arms over this. It’s not just this week, it’s every week there are ridiculous decisions made. The refs are not up to standard before VAR, and then you introduce a system to help with human error, and then they’re just not paying attention?! Lmao keep trying to act like this is the standard.

    • @dteezle
      @dteezle Год назад +5

      ​@@chrisvassiliou889the difference this time is it's black white and clearly onside. It's not like the VAR reviewers have reviewed it and made the wrong decision. They say they have reviewed it, concluded it's a goal but not communicated this to the referee properly. It's farcical. How could anyone paid to watch and review a game, miss the fact the goal had been ruled out initially? How when they said check complete, could they see Tottenham taking a free kick and not jump in and say "it's a goal, what you doing to the ref". There's not 1 but 2 refs in the VAR room plus countless other people. It's not right, like they weren't even watching the game. Plus they're obviously talking to ref, how was it not discovered they had got their wires crossed. Yes VAR get a lot of decisions wrong but a lot of these still have areas of subjection and usually down to the VAR having a different opinion/interpretation of the rules during that moment. As I said this isn't interpretation, this was black and white he's clearly onside

    • @stnbch3025
      @stnbch3025 Год назад +1

      ​​​@@chrisvassiliou889 This isn't a blameless mistake. It's guilty of incompetence.

  • @paulgoodwin81
    @paulgoodwin81 Год назад +20

    Stephen is absolutely spot on. Integrity must come first and foremost.
    Having respectable open discussions between officials, team Management and Captains alike.
    Officials need to be held accountable just as much as players, management and clubs alike.
    FA are now being proven to be just as corrupt as FIFA and UEFA.

  • @maellecampion
    @maellecampion Год назад +17

    As a Liverpool fan this decision still makes me wanna cry whenever I see it or think about it. I’m still waiting for PGMOL to give some compensation to my club but I know it will never happen 💔

    • @OriginalNuttah93
      @OriginalNuttah93 Год назад +1

      Been fuming since it happened and don't think anyone will get over it even mutuals lol this might happen again I mean it's 6 games in and there's been outrageous decisions already

    • @gilbertkiwendo6175
      @gilbertkiwendo6175 Год назад

      i think PGMOL shd be penalised with a fee since points have already been dropped

    • @nathanhenderson4129
      @nathanhenderson4129 Год назад +3

      Of course it will never happen. Do you know how many times VAR has saved your club. It’s in the name of your club! Jotas boot to skipps face last year comes to mind. They’ve gotten away with plenty it’s about time karma caught them. Var is awful but your not the only victims. Other clubs just get on with it.

    • @OriginalNuttah93
      @OriginalNuttah93 Год назад

      @@nathanhenderson4129 Skipp shouldn't have been on the pitch as a matter of fact his horror tackle on Diaz wasn't even given as a foul! We know it swings in roundabouts so let's just leave it there.

    • @nathanhenderson4129
      @nathanhenderson4129 Год назад +1

      @@OriginalNuttah93 I agree that’s what I’m saying. It goes both ways all day long. Fans just can’t cry out now mid season for a replay. Every teams going to want one.

  • @Alvicado
    @Alvicado Год назад +34

    This is not just a mistake by one human. This is complete system breakdown

    • @yupman95
      @yupman95 Год назад

      Wahhhh wahhh wahhhh

  • @CamoDrako
    @CamoDrako Год назад +43

    When I make a "mistake" at work it might affect a few people in my team.
    This "mistake" has massive ramifications for an entire city and millions more.
    We already had the 21/22 season title decided by a ridiculous VAR gaffe, they can't keep getting away with this

    • @1ironmikeoc
      @1ironmikeoc Год назад

      In the context of actual life it's pretty minor man. Everyone needs to chill out, acting like this is a nuclear holocaust

    • @puppy2350
      @puppy2350 Год назад +2

      ​@@1ironmikeocWhen it involves money in the billions and the sentiments of millions of people, i'd be skeptic labelling it a minor issue.

    • @randyschwaggins
      @randyschwaggins Год назад

      😂😂😂

    • @CamoDrako
      @CamoDrako Год назад

      @@Nopostonsundays24 Not in the context of a win or title for Liverpool. We've already seen City win the league in 21/22 due solely to a VAR mistake that grabbed them the league

  • @simonmcpartlin6547
    @simonmcpartlin6547 Год назад +4

    Dermot Gallagher is completely missing the point with his « it’s a mistake » comment. Too many people involved to simply say that. This wasn’t a one man take. I can’t wait to hear the audio if it gets released. If it isn’t released someone is not telling the truth and integrity is out of the window.

  • @robbieomahony5741
    @robbieomahony5741 Год назад +24

    Liverpool have every right to question the sporting integrity

  • @DrPrinpaed
    @DrPrinpaed Год назад +140

    It’s no longer a mistake if it’s done on purpose. The decision is so terrible, I have no other explanation than it was decided maliciously on purpose to not draw the lines on. I’m a United fan as well. The refereeing in this country is pathetic.

    • @RyanHulse-oo1ni
      @RyanHulse-oo1ni Год назад +4

      They did draw the lines, it was onside, that's why they put the check complete, correct decision.
      They thought the decision by the ref was a goal. That's the human error.
      VAR needs to be better run, but what that Liverpool fan is saying about allowing Liverpool to score a goal is ridiculous, would be the end of football if that happens. Countless errors have happened by VAR. This is not the worst one in any stretch.
      People are only mad because it's liverpool. Who usually get the most points awarded by VAR decisions.

    • @Nightlightknight
      @Nightlightknight Год назад +1

      @@RyanHulse-oo1niquestion is though, presumably the VAR team were watching the offside decision. How did they not see what the on field decision was? If VAR has benefitted Liverpool it was because the correct decisions are made. The inverse would seem to indicate decisions tend to go against them. Fans who love the game will not just turn a blind eye when a bad decision benefits their team, fairness and the correct decisions should always be paramount.

    • @mariohabjan967
      @mariohabjan967 Год назад +1

      Referees been paid of same as in Qatar vs Ecuador.

    • @marky8594
      @marky8594 Год назад +2

      @@RyanHulse-oo1niwon’t see a clear handball than rodri at goodison. Couple of games left city win the league liverpool 2nd. Your chatting farts

    • @louischapman1209
      @louischapman1209 Год назад +1

      They are definitely placing bets I’m sure of it

  • @stephenjerome4135
    @stephenjerome4135 Год назад +5

    This is not just a mistake. It's an absolutely shocking incident that's just beyond belief. Whoever made such a big error as this should be held to account. Players and team managers get carded for bad errors or mistakes they make in games but it seems referees/match officials always get away with it and nothing ever seems to change. When are these officials going to start being held accountable or penalised for their errors and incompetence. And no, Liverpool won't let this one go. Why should they? A big error like this could cost them something like a place in the top 4, the league title etc. VAR has got to learn from this now and make sure that something like this never happens again. Ever!

  • @geckopubg
    @geckopubg Год назад +14

    You know its bad when Dermot can't even put a positive spin on it

  • @ollieflj
    @ollieflj Год назад +7

    Simple answer. Dont just say "check complete" , but give the result of the check. If he had said "check complete, onside" or similar then any confusion is highlighted and cleared up

  • @dillon2302
    @dillon2302 Год назад +4

    Its genuinely a disgrace the amount of errors VAR makes, feels like there’s a controversy every match week

  • @enemywithin1295
    @enemywithin1295 Год назад +6

    It’s funny how Dermot says that they don’t intentionally make a mistake, buts it’s irrelevant if a player unintentionally makes a bad tackle, like in this very Liverpool game.

  • @AllAboutNat
    @AllAboutNat Год назад +50

    Well done Stephen Warnock! You came across fantastic in this! Every response to their BS excuses was spot on! Replay the bloody game simple as that!

    • @fredjenner
      @fredjenner Год назад +3

      Scouse tears 😂 karma for gaslighting the refs

    • @MarcoGosatti43
      @MarcoGosatti43 Год назад +3

      Replay the game? Do me a favour.

    • @fredjenner
      @fredjenner Год назад +3

      @@MarcoGosatti43 same lot who say we need ex players on VAR . They would nominate Carragher, Hargreaves, Souness and Owen.

    • @MarcoGosatti43
      @MarcoGosatti43 Год назад +1

      @@fredjenner You'll lose count how many times Liverpool have got away with desicions the last 5 years.

    • @fredjenner
      @fredjenner Год назад

      @@MarcoGosatti43 problem is they spam every comments section everywhere with bots to try and solidify their narrative by false consensus.

  • @musisironald4281
    @musisironald4281 Год назад +6

    There are so many wrong decisions made by those referees , Dermot is just insane

  • @sanderholvik9650
    @sanderholvik9650 Год назад +14

    What is worst: To just allow the Diaz goal to be disallowed and carry on. Or to just say to the ref when he started the game again on the Diaz goal, that we missunderstood the situation and say it's a goal. What will make most people happy. 100% just say in the ref's ear that we made a mistake and allow the goal, even if he started the game again.

    • @bipolarminddroppings
      @bipolarminddroppings Год назад

      Did you even watch the video?
      By the time they realised what had happened, the game had restarted and at that point there is nothing the refs can do. They cant just make up their own rules.

    • @Theonlyleedsbasedjarling
      @Theonlyleedsbasedjarling Год назад +3

      @@bipolarminddroppingsbut if the rule leads to this level of injustice then of what use is the rule

    • @domremyuk
      @domremyuk Год назад

      @@bipolarminddroppingslet’s wait for the recording to be released. There’s dollhouse to be a criminal investigator. From this

  • @Plymonk666
    @Plymonk666 Год назад +24

    They found the same issue with Co-pilot’s not questioning the Pilot even leading to their own deaths. They had to change the mindsets of ‘leader’ to ‘lead’ and reduced the issues greatly. 4:20

    • @Cruickyz
      @Cruickyz Год назад +3

      Air Crash Investigation on Nat Geo. Too militant which ends with the blind leading the blind, sums up our referees perfectly.

    • @SamsonOkellow
      @SamsonOkellow Год назад +1

      You don't want to look like the bad guy with your colleague I'm sure that's what happens most of the time if In this case they were not distracted by something

    • @Plymonk666
      @Plymonk666 Год назад

      @@Cruickyz damn, I thought I would sound smart and you knew exactly where I got it from! Down to the channel!

  • @Jonryder31
    @Jonryder31 Год назад +1

    The way to lower the chance of this happening again is for the Ref in the VAR position to name his decision clearly i.e "Offside" or "Goal". Rather than "Check Complete".

  • @diskomvort
    @diskomvort Год назад +26

    Something must be done, don't let anything destroy this beautiful game.

    • @Nunyabusiness40
      @Nunyabusiness40 Год назад +2

      PGMOL think they have more authority than god. I’ve never seen anything like it in any profession, especially with so much money involved. Extremely shady behavior

    • @raymondoakford8357
      @raymondoakford8357 Год назад

      Varaready have

  • @Buffbison55
    @Buffbison55 Год назад +18

    Im a United fan and that’s borderline criminal. The ref should be suspended without pay for at least 2 weeks.

    • @terrypage358
      @terrypage358 Год назад +4

      So the ref can earn more in the UEA for another couple of weeks? How would that solve anything?

    • @ColinFord-ox8tv
      @ColinFord-ox8tv Год назад +2

      Far longer than two weeks. A red card can mean a player missing three matches, so they should be receiving far longer than a couple of weeks.

    • @edantes2008
      @edantes2008 Год назад +1

      Suspended? HE SHOULD BE FIRE, he's either incredibly incompetent or terribly corrupt, he has no place in the EPL in my opinion.

  • @Macke105
    @Macke105 Год назад +6

    For PL this is a catastrofic. This is a league with so many good teams you can win or loose by a point so this can absolutely never ever happen. Especially with 2 people controlling it. I guess the assistent is there for safety reasons. Sorry aint gonna cut it. You just cant trust the desicions anymore..

  • @RhysTafazolli1
    @RhysTafazolli1 Год назад +9

    It's NOT a mistake. It is sheer and utter incompetence.

  • @heardithere1
    @heardithere1 Год назад +18

    Liverpool said they also want investigation into why the same 3 officials were in UAE the day before and then allowed to officiate the biggest game of the weekend the next day where they have inadvertently or otherwise made mistakes to benefit a club run by UAE.

    • @MJR1117
      @MJR1117 Год назад +7

      This incident with Liverpool & similar incident with Arsenal last season both benefitted Man City. Then there's the infamous Rodri handball

  • @gooner72
    @gooner72 Год назад +1

    Funny how the media are so protective over the match officials.......🤔

  • @KellysHeroes777
    @KellysHeroes777 Год назад +50

    Once the game has started again and within a few seconds they realised the mistake and that the goal wasn't given why could they not just intervene. There is literally no excuse for not intervening, the stopped the game when there is an head injury even if the opposition is on the attack. There is no excuse they can give that makes any sense.

    • @AlCasu1888
      @AlCasu1888 Год назад +3

      Imagine how they felt sitting there knowing we'd see the mistake eventually. I bet there was a row about telling the ref or saying nothing. This included with the mcallister red being rescinded and the AR elbow last year are fuel for tinfoil hat wearers but can't be ignored.

    • @martinhartecfc
      @martinhartecfc Год назад

      This was answered quite clearly in the discussion.

    • @leightonp8496
      @leightonp8496 Год назад +7

      @@martinhartecfc yeah and it was a ridiculous explanation.

    • @kaos7763
      @kaos7763 Год назад +4

      Rule change is needed regarding this .. they themselves have no wiggle room to rectify errors

    • @KellysHeroes777
      @KellysHeroes777 Год назад

      @@martinhartecfc it's an unbelievably unique situation. No one would have said anything about the rules if they had stopped the game. Isn't it also a rule that if a goal is onside then it should be given

  • @umarmuktharbinafandi3476
    @umarmuktharbinafandi3476 Год назад +38

    This could potentially shape the league come end of this season. This incident will still be the talking point once the season ends. If liverpool lose the title even by goal difference, they would be absolutely fuming

    • @Meruem5
      @Meruem5 Год назад +9

      Only because it's Liverpool. Spurs lost the champions league final with the first goal being a non-penalty - the handball rules were changed immediately after. Sheffield United had a goal disallowed vs Villa, which meant they were RELEGATED that season as a result of that game.
      Obviously this is a huge, huge error. But all the talk of replaying the game is complete nonsense

    • @leecolburn7849
      @leecolburn7849 Год назад +9

      @@Meruem5No they didn’t. Origi banged one in to make it 2-0.

    • @Meruem5
      @Meruem5 Год назад

      @@leecolburn7849My comment was poorly worded so I've now amended it. It was the first goal.

    • @dmvzfdac
      @dmvzfdac Год назад +5

      @@leecolburn7849Origis goal was late in the 2nd half. Liverpools early penalty changed the entire game as Spurs faced 2 banks of 5 for the entire match.
      Origis goal is irrelevant.

    • @kabelomaragelo2745
      @kabelomaragelo2745 Год назад +3

      How the hell do you know Liverpool were going to win that game ? They were already 10 men down

  • @arjay3580
    @arjay3580 Год назад +2

    They DONE IT AGAIN with Liverpool 3 times losing 9 points, Odeggard handball also Wolves and few other teams

  • @richardharrison1300
    @richardharrison1300 Год назад +39

    I understand the point about the correct application of the laws of the game negating the referee from being able to nullify the mistake. However, the rules were not applied in the VAR room. Surely in that instance you have to “break” the rules to right a wrong.

    • @gabrielalohan728
      @gabrielalohan728 Год назад +2

      It's a question of precedence/antecedent, referees (VAR) have never gone back on a decision. It's like an unwritten rule, a blue wall like the police culture.

    • @bragekv9937
      @bragekv9937 Год назад

      even as a LFC, 2 wrongs don't make 1 right. game is over, but there are many more to play, and we want the refs to be at their best for those games and not make these mistakes again. a sorry isnt enough there needs to be some actionable change from the PGMOL

    • @robertoberuffi1394
      @robertoberuffi1394 Год назад

      @@gabrielalohan728 Surely though if it can be clearly proven that a wrong decision/judgment had been made, shouldn't that be rectified in some way? Teams and fans don't like to feel aggrieved. Moreover, rules/laws are, rightly or wrongly, constantly being reviewed and changed "to improve the game". Therefore, shouldn't a provision for such an occurrence be incorporated into the rules/laws of the game, as a means of safeguarding the integrity of the game?
      Shouldn't they perhaps do something like this: stop the clock, approach the two managers (and the two captains) to explain what has happened, post a message on the screen for the fans to see, award a goal, or retract it, depending on what the error/grievance may have been, and then restart the clock and the game.

    • @richardharrison1300
      @richardharrison1300 Год назад

      @@bragekv9937 I agree. I’m just saying it shouldn’t have even got to this point, very much as Warnock is saying in the video, and should have been rectified shortly after the miscommunication/mistake had been realised. The rules prohibit that, but as the rules weren’t applied in the VAR room, this excuse of abiding to the rules shouldn’t hold water.

  • @borofreak
    @borofreak Год назад +17

    Poor man Dermot Gallagher, he'll have a heart attack if he keeps appearing for such occasions on the telly.

  • @tripleos3028
    @tripleos3028 Год назад +1

    The only way out is improve the communication on whatever decision is taken. Making it clear on the screen for everyone to see.

  • @marveltominatgoogle
    @marveltominatgoogle Год назад +25

    He says it absolutely can't happen again, but it will. It will happen again because they aren't willing to change. All they care about is how they can protect themselves. VAR needs to be an independent body that isn't a part of PGMOL.

    • @bipolarminddroppings
      @bipolarminddroppings Год назад

      I take it you know all the referees personally? And have spoken to them many times, to know their intimate thoughts so well.
      They messed up. They admitted they messed up.
      The rules need to be changed, the process needs to be improved, but its not because the refs are corrupt and only care about themselves. They dont make the rules, they just enforce them.

    • @marveltominatgoogle
      @marveltominatgoogle Год назад

      @@bipolarminddroppings Why would I need to know them personally? Unless the rules change and an independent body starts to review ref decisions, we'll keep seeing these mistakes. The history is there, it's all evidence based.

  • @SamLesGo
    @SamLesGo Год назад +12

    Every time I hear the name of Dermott Gallagher I just can’t stop laughing 😂

  • @davidjacksmith7171
    @davidjacksmith7171 Год назад +1

    Gallagher is talking like he's personally involved as a Referee. He's NOT. He's not there to REPRESENT referees still. He's there to give his informed opinion on decisions current referees make. It's not personal against him for crying out loud.

  • @gunnerarshavin2009
    @gunnerarshavin2009 Год назад +12

    That was the fastest offside goal check I have ever seen. And no lines were drawn.

    • @TJTOPBOY
      @TJTOPBOY Год назад

      The lines was drawn but they didn’t show it on the screen

  • @hasan25112
    @hasan25112 Год назад +6

    Well Done Stephen Warnock 👏🏽

  • @matthewwalker2281
    @matthewwalker2281 Год назад +5

    Simple way to avoid this happening again in future if for the VAR to say "Award the Goal" or "Disallow the Goal" rather than "Check Complete" like they do in Rugby League when a try is referred!!

    • @joepower777
      @joepower777 Год назад

      Exactly! In cricket an Aussie Rules football the decision in put onto the stadium screens and is communicated in completely non ambiguous way.

  • @a9p528
    @a9p528 Год назад +6

    The problem here is process and communication. The discussions held between officials in rugby is a perfect example of how to do it. There is also transparency as that discussion is televised.

  • @KeikoShido
    @KeikoShido Год назад +17

    “Referees make mistakes all the time…” damn 😂

    • @pseudonym9215
      @pseudonym9215 Год назад +3

      Easy to say when referees are given free reign to do as they please. They need to be answerable too

  • @iamrising7176
    @iamrising7176 Год назад +1

    This was NOT an error. It was deliberate- an INSIDE JOB.

  • @Aerity
    @Aerity Год назад +5

    I've never once heard Dermot say something different from what's obvious yet they bring him on for his insight. Having a referee ego is crazy 💀literally no one cares that much, you are a ref bro

  • @YanYnwa
    @YanYnwa Год назад +9

    I’ve heard a few VAR convos and they’re always in communication. It’s one thing to miss that the on field ref signaled Offsides visually but we were told that any call is relayed. Ex “flag up, that’s offsides, please check to verify) even if they missed it visually but also via audio is ridiculous

  • @aliverbirduponmychest3055
    @aliverbirduponmychest3055 Год назад +1

    The strange thing is VAR worked just fine for Curtis Jones red card when showing the referee a still photo of the tackle when that is not supposed to happen?

  • @ricardoabbott6107
    @ricardoabbott6107 Год назад +17

    There is no way they could have made an error of this magnitude. Corrupt officials.

  • @Renae_darnley
    @Renae_darnley Год назад +23

    Its not just the offside is it...the ref was shocking!!!!!!!!

  • @alabiayodeji4341
    @alabiayodeji4341 Год назад +1

    Two red cards, a rightful goal unfairly disallowed, another unfair yellow card, two Spurs players who should have gotten a yellow card which would have led to red (making the card gesture), own goal. Nobody from the on field referee to linesmen to VAR team gets a let off for me

  • @Sparky-ns2uu
    @Sparky-ns2uu Год назад +18

    It's not human error. I can't believe they are saying they thought the goal was given when we all know the ref and linesman are communicating with VAR officials. Absolutely embarrassing to think the public would go along with this nonsense. It's blatantly obvious what's going on.

    • @TWOScottRage
      @TWOScottRage Год назад +3

      Exactly.. took them over a hour to come up with that nonsense.

    • @AdunlolaBakare
      @AdunlolaBakare Год назад +3

      Brah, the screen on the pitch says “Checking For Potential Offsides”. Flag was up, Liverpool were not celebrating the goal. 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @chrisvassiliou889
      @chrisvassiliou889 Год назад

      the incident happened on the 34th minute , to early to affect the result , you never know how teams can respond . By next week we will talk about something else