For the last 50 seconds, I feel like Snow was using fire ball as less of a poking tool, but rather just a tool to annoy Sonix and maybe to get some chip damage to extend his lead. While Sonix was able to call out some of these jumps, Snow did a good job of realizing that Sonix's chip damage from catching these jumps won't matter too much, especially since Mario can't get gimped easily with how powerful his air drift and up b are, and considering that Mario's damage output is much better, which paid off in the end. Finally, I think it was a bit of a mistake for Snow to try extending his advantage state after that up air combo because you can see that although Snow got back into center stage, there was a chance that Sonix could've landed an up air leading to his own advantage state, and potentially evening up the game if Snow gets unlucky. I also think that in the last 15 seconds, Snow could've been a bit safer and not really tried to call out Sonix's movement because there were a few situations where if Sonix got the whiff punish, he would've gotten some damage; maybe not enough to get Snow at a higher percent than him, but could've led to a disaster if Sonix tried to cheese Snow and was successful.
@@tomfoolery2885 I love these observations! I agree with them. I also think Snow should've played it safer in the last 15 seconds considering his lead and how risky it was, but thankfully it still payed off. Thank you for taking the time to make your comment!
@@tiposauce6417 yes, but I opted to put 'a Mario' instead of Snow due to him not being as well known in NA. He's also had a somewhat recent spike in performances too. I never meant to downplay Snow by not having his name on the title
@@SmaxSSB ah ok I feel like it’s not uncommon for people in NA to recognize snow given his recent appearances at our majors but sorry for making a mean reply over it which I put 2 seconds of thought into. Nice video btw
This video is so much better than your old one! We got your voice now. You explain both players plans and tools in the match up and you pinned points on what you thinked makes the winner, win! Good video
Them last 50 seconds had some of the best platform play ever. Hiding under them, fireballs, on last second went over play instead of under as a mix up… YAH BABY!😊
Snow said his favorite Na player to fight was Sonix I found his answer interesting because it showed me that player has a strong mentality and he does not mind playing against sonic at all it seems to me he had the mindset of it is what it is because it seems playing against people like Raru has made him used to cheese. Plus it shows me that he believes that his character does well against sonic in general.
To further add onto to this, I've seen his Mario Matchup Chart from 2 years ago, and even though it's old, Sonic was in the (Roughly translated) +0.5 tier, meaning he thinks Mario outright beats Sonic, if just slightly.
good video, always enjoy good breakdowns. if i could offer a little criticism, i don't think that there needs to be so many slow-mo scenes, it felt like half the video was just talking about fireball. i think there's also more you can talk about wrt the set such as how snow was willing to play for time when he got a lead.
I like how you broke down the uses for fireball and nair here, already knew them but its nice seeing them put into different words. That being said: WTF DAIR CAN DO IT TOO??? MARIO IS BROKEN!!!
He was, but now he isn't due to a mix of not going to much and underperforming when he does. Snows gotten a lot of top level wins and while he hasn't won anything big yet he's come rlly close. He beat acola for instance
Im sorry but sonic is a very honest character. People are saying hes cheesey but he doesnt have any consistent ways to cheese stocks. Professional play is just about the information advantage and the reward for capitalizing on the said info. Sonic gets a very honest moderate reward, but his ability to pick up info comes at pretty much no risk to himself IF U MAKE THE MISTAKE of getting impatient and using unsafe moves without a read. But think about how many characters have projectiles (you need to be able to take space off of them so they need to be a little slow and not too laggy. Or they can do tons of damage on their own) or item set ups that can pressure sonic at his effective range. Im thinking wolf, pikachu, snake, pacman, rob, steve, just to name a few with good advantage and kits in general. You basically flip the situation to have the superior neutral game at both long and short range. Which forces the sonic to start worrying about spacing himself carefully at a specific midrange that, depending on your characters ground speed and range, could be very difficult to maintain (where perrying a projectile could lead to a punish) before sonic just loses to probability. The other thing u want if u can have it is a safe, RISING aerial; something that stays active until you are actionable again. (Although this only even out the neutral game when u jump. Gravity prevents you from staying airborn the whole game.) You need to be able to throw it out early in case sonic jumps into you, but throwing out an unsafe attack early means you are giving away information that can actually get punished later in the set. Having one of these air options is reallly good for stage control. You can jump out of the corner all day and it doesnt matter if sonic has the read on it. Successfully landing one of these could knock sonic to the edge of the map, where the neutral game is favorable for you or even at worst. Just using these moves properly drops sonic down the tier list imo. Its not like were dealing with fine margins either, like playing the matchup doesnt require you to exploit any specific interaction or DI or anything. Just swing with different moves in different places. Doing so makes sonic feel less effective than other hit and run/bait and punish characters such as joker or zss, who could be even harder to catch and predict when u have a good projectile or a safe nair, but can also frickin destroy you off a single opening.
@LuigiStar31 Toxic ✅️ Can't take a loss✅️ Camper✅️ Unfuh to play against according to nearly everyone✅️ Litteraly all he has to do is play Sonic like a rush down (something the character is very good at) and people would like him
@@GooseBibleTunes We all have opinions and I respect that, but calling a player "toxic" and not being able to take a loss is a bit outta hand. I've watched alot of sonix (and enjoy it!) and he never shows any toxic traits? Its wild that you say that players say he's unfun to play against. Maybe annoying but i dont think its straight up unfun. Im pretty sure he plays with Spar0 frequently and is rivals with Tweek too. Calling him a camper is pretty spot on in certain scenarios. People just need to learn that you can just run in and rush down effectively and consistently with sonic. He can play aggressive and pressure opponents but sometimes its not worth the risk, especially if the opponent wants you to approach. I'm not saying you have to like him, just don't say such mean things about a really good player.
@@SmaxSSB very insightful. Tbh I was paying more attention to the Mario side of it because someone in my region is a good Mario and he has my number and he plays very similar to snow.
@@blindedbyviridi you're bouncing and doing tricks on it (thanks borb, I really appreciate the feedback! I was worried it'd be too tame or cover basic knowledge)
"Mario's goal is to rush down and sonic's goal is to bait and punish" might be the funniest thing to hear out of context
What?💀
@@_Hero_Link_yeh since you’d imagine Sonic would be the one about speed
For the last 50 seconds, I feel like Snow was using fire ball as less of a poking tool, but rather just a tool to annoy Sonix and maybe to get some chip damage to extend his lead. While Sonix was able to call out some of these jumps, Snow did a good job of realizing that Sonix's chip damage from catching these jumps won't matter too much, especially since Mario can't get gimped easily with how powerful his air drift and up b are, and considering that Mario's damage output is much better, which paid off in the end. Finally, I think it was a bit of a mistake for Snow to try extending his advantage state after that up air combo because you can see that although Snow got back into center stage, there was a chance that Sonix could've landed an up air leading to his own advantage state, and potentially evening up the game if Snow gets unlucky. I also think that in the last 15 seconds, Snow could've been a bit safer and not really tried to call out Sonix's movement because there were a few situations where if Sonix got the whiff punish, he would've gotten some damage; maybe not enough to get Snow at a higher percent than him, but could've led to a disaster if Sonix tried to cheese Snow and was successful.
@@tomfoolery2885 I love these observations! I agree with them. I also think Snow should've played it safer in the last 15 seconds considering his lead and how risky it was, but thankfully it still payed off. Thank you for taking the time to make your comment!
watching someone camp and then lose after wasting their own time and everyone elses is awesome
“A Mario” bro this is the Mario
Snow is that guy
@@tiposauce6417 yes, but I opted to put 'a Mario' instead of Snow due to him not being as well known in NA. He's also had a somewhat recent spike in performances too. I never meant to downplay Snow by not having his name on the title
@@SmaxSSB ah ok I feel like it’s not uncommon for people in NA to recognize snow given his recent appearances at our majors but sorry for making a mean reply over it which I put 2 seconds of thought into. Nice video btw
@@tiposauce6417 it's all good
This video is so much better than your old one! We got your voice now. You explain both players plans and tools in the match up and you pinned points on what you thinked makes the winner, win! Good video
@@dominicst4536 thank you so much, I appreciate the feedback!
This is my first time seeing a new Mario player that has potential to beat Sonix, I’m surprise it wasn’t Dark Wizzy or Kurama. Well done by snow.
Them last 50 seconds had some of the best platform play ever.
Hiding under them, fireballs, on last second went over play instead of under as a mix up… YAH BABY!😊
Very cool video!!!! Watching this live was crazy to see, snow is so good. Slick editing too, keep it up!
@@CyberGoons thank you so much! I really appreciate it!
*Sonix: I'm gonna time out everybody* 😎
*Snow: How about N O ?*
Snow said his favorite Na player to fight was Sonix I found his answer interesting because it showed me that player has a strong mentality and he does not mind playing against sonic at all it seems to me he had the mindset of it is what it is because it seems playing against people like Raru has made him used to cheese. Plus it shows me that he believes that his character does well against sonic in general.
To further add onto to this, I've seen his Mario Matchup Chart from 2 years ago, and even though it's old, Sonic was in the (Roughly translated) +0.5 tier, meaning he thinks Mario outright beats Sonic, if just slightly.
Those matches were both fun and hard to watch cuz I was rooting for Sonix but the Mario was cracked fr
You’re rooting for a Sonic??
@@BigDaddyKnez what's wrong with that lmao
@@BigDaddyKnez Yea when Sonix isn’t camping he’s actually a really good player, besides it’s not like rooting for a Steve or a Palu
Snow is now the most liked mario player
WIthout spreading hate it's satisfying to see a character who's known to time others out getting timed out by one who usually gets timed out.
good video, always enjoy good breakdowns.
if i could offer a little criticism, i don't think that there needs to be so many slow-mo scenes, it felt like half the video was just talking about fireball. i think there's also more you can talk about wrt the set such as how snow was willing to play for time when he got a lead.
@@Vykrii the criticism is very much appreciated, thank you. I'll make sure to take note of it
I like how you broke down the uses for fireball and nair here, already knew them but its nice seeing them put into different words.
That being said: WTF DAIR CAN DO IT TOO???
MARIO IS BROKEN!!!
@@Jagm3854 why thank you, I appreciate it!
Finally a Official analysis on Sonic and what I can do about it Thanks for the vid
@@608dxgamer4 no problem!
Great video and analysis
Mario has to work hard in this MU compared to sonic, without fire ball or flood this would be unwinnable
Well obviously he's missing 2 moves
5:30 nice sonic skin
i thought kurama was the best
He was, but now he isn't due to a mix of not going to much and underperforming when he does. Snows gotten a lot of top level wins and while he hasn't won anything big yet he's come rlly close. He beat acola for instance
Im sorry but sonic is a very honest character. People are saying hes cheesey but he doesnt have any consistent ways to cheese stocks.
Professional play is just about the information advantage and the reward for capitalizing on the said info.
Sonic gets a very honest moderate reward, but his ability to pick up info comes at pretty much no risk to himself IF U MAKE THE MISTAKE of getting impatient and using unsafe moves without a read.
But think about how many characters have projectiles (you need to be able to take space off of them so they need to be a little slow and not too laggy. Or they can do tons of damage on their own) or item set ups that can pressure sonic at his effective range. Im thinking wolf, pikachu, snake, pacman, rob, steve, just to name a few with good advantage and kits in general. You basically flip the situation to have the superior neutral game at both long and short range. Which forces the sonic to start worrying about spacing himself carefully at a specific midrange that, depending on your characters ground speed and range, could be very difficult to maintain (where perrying a projectile could lead to a punish) before sonic just loses to probability.
The other thing u want if u can have it is a safe, RISING aerial; something that stays active until you are actionable again. (Although this only even out the neutral game when u jump. Gravity prevents you from staying airborn the whole game.) You need to be able to throw it out early in case sonic jumps into you, but throwing out an unsafe attack early means you are giving away information that can actually get punished later in the set. Having one of these air options is reallly good for stage control. You can jump out of the corner all day and it doesnt matter if sonic has the read on it. Successfully landing one of these could knock sonic to the edge of the map, where the neutral game is favorable for you or even at worst.
Just using these moves properly drops sonic down the tier list imo. Its not like were dealing with fine margins either, like playing the matchup doesnt require you to exploit any specific interaction or DI or anything. Just swing with different moves in different places. Doing so makes sonic feel less effective than other hit and run/bait and punish characters such as joker or zss, who could be even harder to catch and predict when u have a good projectile or a safe nair, but can also frickin destroy you off a single opening.
He could used fludd too
mario vs sonic is an even matchup. this isnt some "crazy upset"
@@zakomations it's more so an upset between the players themselves than the characters
no its not ☠️☠️☠️ this is marios worst matchup
@@kureiflamenot worst but its definitely bad
It’s +1 Sonic
@@RealBroccoliHour no, just because sonix lost to snow, it doesnt mean taht its not -2 anymore
Snitch
We hate Sonix
Why
@LuigiStar31
Toxic ✅️
Can't take a loss✅️
Camper✅️
Unfuh to play against according to nearly everyone✅️
Litteraly all he has to do is play Sonic like a rush down (something the character is very good at) and people would like him
@@GooseBibleTunes damn
@@GooseBibleTunes We all have opinions and I respect that, but calling a player "toxic" and not being able to take a loss is a bit outta hand. I've watched alot of sonix (and enjoy it!) and he never shows any toxic traits? Its wild that you say that players say he's unfun to play against. Maybe annoying but i dont think its straight up unfun. Im pretty sure he plays with Spar0 frequently and is rivals with Tweek too. Calling him a camper is pretty spot on in certain scenarios. People just need to learn that you can just run in and rush down effectively and consistently with sonic. He can play aggressive and pressure opponents but sometimes its not worth the risk, especially if the opponent wants you to approach. I'm not saying you have to like him, just don't say such mean things about a really good player.
@ghostanimationz found the Sonix fan
I hate smash bros TF2 videos please
what did you think of the video
@@SmaxSSB very insightful. Tbh I was paying more attention to the Mario side of it because someone in my region is a good Mario and he has my number and he plays very similar to snow.
@@blindedbyviridi you're bouncing and doing tricks on it (thanks borb, I really appreciate the feedback! I was worried it'd be too tame or cover basic knowledge)
No