Super interesting video! I'd love to see your complete list with every character's placements. I've done similar math myself to find the *worst* Smash character who by my calculations ended up being Zelda, not Ganondorf as you said in this video (unless that was just a joke lol) Anyways I hope this video pops off, keep it up fam
I have actually tried to replicate some kind of mathematical way of calculating this, but I think your method is actually surprisingly simple and effective. Thank you so much for making this video, this is something I have always wanted someone to make but I never found it until now.
@@Litttlepersonhi appreciate it! Yeah I was actually stuck on how to go about the math and asked quite a few people. There are definitely different methods that could work but I thought this one would be simple and effective which is perfect for a video format
i thought it was Fox because he won a Super Major in 3 different Smash Games (Melee, Smash 4 & Ultimate) and a ton of people play as him and an example is LarryLurr
After Pikachu and Fox were mentioned, I started narrowing it down to who could be the number one: My guesses were Mario or Diddy, but when you mentioned that he didn't appear in every game, my final answer became Diddy Kong... And goddamn, I called it
@kevinnapolitano35 Yeah, looking back, I have no idea why I thought Mario would be number 1. Guess his higher placements in 4 and Ultimate influenced my thought process
I would give more to Peach because her placement in Smash 4 became before her great run in 2018. Honestly she deserves to be higher Yeah Brawl Marth is awesome. I honestly think Sonic in Brawl deserves to be higher because he has some good MUs above him. Icies I think are much better then the tier placement says
Very well made video! I like that you tried being objective, though I do have to say that I'd prefer to see a less mathematical take on this for 2 reasons. 1: Strats get nerfed and/or banned over time. This especially hurt Ice Climbers, bc they would have probably been #1 in Melee if it wasn’t for the wobbling ban. 2: Reason I think Fox and Pikachu are by far the best characters in the series is precisely because they were in more games. That should be rewarded, as they're "risking" their throne more often than Diddy did. Same reason why someone who wins 1 P Tier and never shows up again would not be ranked #1, and it would instead go to the guy who got 2nd/3rd place in 5 different tournaments.
@@Ray_SB Thank you! And although I personally agree with the thought that more games should be rewarded, the example of winning 1 P tier is exactly why I didn't include Cloud Snake Steve etc. With that example of Lumi Ranks, people actually are buffed by doing well at a few majors and then stopping, just like Diddy is here. Obviously you can't go to just 1, but the less you go to the better you get ranked, as long as you go to a minimum amount and do well
i knew Diddy Kong would be #1 even though he's only been in three games. all of his placements are in the single digits, which is crazy. i think if you ran this formula for bottom tiered characters, Zelda (Shiek notwithstanding) might actually end up worse than Ganondorf. Zelda's been bottom 10 in all of her appearances. Ganondorf's alright in Melee, at least.
"You didn't put Bowser Jr. as #1, therefore this list is wrong. My friend, Brandon, always beat us at his birthday party when we would play timed free for all's. Side b is OP!!!!" - 9 year old Timmy Jokes aside this is seriously fucking impressive shit. I do not know how long it must have taken you to make this and especially draw the P5 break-ins for characters, but it looked great. Honestly I'd love to be able to see the full list to see where everyone placed if you have it available. Other than that you get a like from me. Great work dude Little Timmy is right though. Brandon's Morton is crazy
@@MikeyDLuffy Yeah that’d cool, whatever works! I don’t want you to do any more work than you already have because I know the pain of working on a video for months haha
Diddy being the best surprised me, thought it was fox for sure, but it makes sense. Also, Diddy isn't in melee but I feel he would've been really good in that game as well. Maybe around yoshi level.
Ngl I wasn’t expecting diddy Kong, but looking at his placement… yeah it’s crazy how I forgot about him. Not having a placement in the double digits after over a decade is crazy
i would say pikachu would be the best character across every smash game since he was only a mid tier in one game being melee and he won and axe has won a summit with pikachu and in the other 4 games was considered a high tier even being the best character in 64 he has one at least one insanely stacked event across every smash game making him be the only character who has always had always won a major or stacked event like a invitational across every smash game
The best player for Smash 4 Pioneer Diddy Kong when he was nerfed after being broken for so long, and Fox is by far the best character to ever pick up if you play very fast with his combos and his kit works out so well. I love Fox as a character to be picked up as a secondary. I mainly go with little Mac because he fits the style of going fast but trades with power than weak moves and recovery. But players have figured out that little Mac has a lot of tech behind him to be unstoppable.
I feel like if you're not gonna include characters introduced after Brawl, they should've been struck from the tier lists first to make the rankings easier to handle.
@@oddgodzilla225 haha appreciate it! I've just been getting back into Smash again recently! Going to start with videos like this but I'll try to get into the more depth stuff too
Haven't finished the video yet but my predictions are: Diddy (People dont realise that this guy has never not been s tier) Fox (Either Fox or Pika, but I think due to ultimate fox will be higher) Pika (Good all around) Zss (My main, never not been a tier) Marth (idrk, him being really good in 3/4 of the games makes me think he might still be there) This is hopeful btw, as marth & zss are my favourite characters 😊
Fox and pikachu get extra points for being in more games. This combined with the fact that fox is better known from smash than his home series makes him the goat of smash for me
Really nice work. Well done. Always wondered about that topic but your concept I didn't come up with. Props for that, I just always tried to make by feeling and as you said, my answer was always theoretical Diddy, but due to Fox and Pika being consistent over 5 games I was always in Team they get number 1. Is there a way you could publish the entire list of all characters that were in 3 or more games? I guess you did the math for all of them? Maybe in the description or a link? Would be really interesting
Appreciate it! Yeah I also always had Fox and Pika in mind when people talked about the best of all time but thought it would be interesting to check out the numbers. I didn't check some of the obvious characters who wouldn't make the cut, but I can finish up the list and then publish it after!
@@MikeyDLuffy But not for me of course. Probably could even be content for a sequel video. I would see that, just real quick go over the order of every characters score that was in 3 or more games :D
Predictions: 1.Pikachu 2.Peach 3.Fox 4.Marth 5.Sonic Ok so all the characters I guessed made it on the list at least. Diddy makes sense, didn’t think of him but I understand why he is there
Not too bad! I haven't followed Ultimate in a while and didn't realise Olimar & ZSS were considered quite a bit worse. Diddy is too consistent, I hope he's not top tier in Smash 6 lol
I expect Fox because not only is he the best in melee but he's been pretty good in other games as well, same with Falco. Also Pikachu because no 1 in smash 64 and fairly good rankings across all other smash games except brawl but not even that bad. Shiek has been pretty disgusting too in all games except ultimate, so she's also in my predictions. Last but not least, Diddy Kong, amazing in brawl with two bananas, amazing in smash 4, fairly good in ultimate.
Before video guess: I think it’s probably diddy kong, top tier/broken in all of his appearances. If it’s all 5 games, then I think it’s either fox or pikachu but leaning towards fox Edit: Let’s go I guessed the top 3 (in order as well)
alright top 5 prediction before watching the video: FOX, PIKACHU, ROB, DIDDY, SONIC okay fine Ill do them in order: ROB --> DIDDY --> FOX --> PIKACHU --> SONIC dang didnt see zss coming.
Y'know what's reallu funny about Brawl Pika and Brawl Fox? While their ranked 8th & 15th respectively on the American Tier List, The Japanese Brawl Tier List ranks Brawl Fox at 7th and Brawl Pika at 22nd. I lowkey understand them ranking Brawl Fox more highly as I personally think 15th is *not* where I'd rank him. Not just cause I think his actual kit itself is sevearly underrated, not just cause of players like TKD, Trevonte, & Yui, but *especially* after considering M2K's own experiences in Japanese Brawl tourneys that he attened during Brawl's lifespan (he talks about this on his Brawl Tier List video on the MVG channel) but 22nd for Pikachu is insanity to me... were there NO Japanese Pika's over there? Was ESAM really just hard carrying?
@@definitelydoctorproctor agreed, I actually think Pika being 17th in Ultimate is lower than he will end up, which is funny as Pika has often seen overrated throughout the years but now 17th seems too low
Guessed the top 2 but didn't specify which one is #1. maybe if the requirements were 4 or 5 games Fox would be #1 but 3/5 is a pretty fair amount of games to pull from. Didn't mention him but Pikachu being #3 isn't that surprising. He's just fundamentally got a good kit. Sonic was a little surprising top 5 but zss wasn't.
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I wanted to see this video and see if I was right and that my main Diddy being the best character and was so right and was right about Pikachu & Fox being high up on the list just didn’t know who’d rank higher
Do ultimate players not play low tiers and such as much as melee players?? I don’t understand how marth is 55th, even if skill is in play it honestly shouldn’t be so large of a gap?? Like saying “only Leo does it”, is like if I saw M2K play marth and say only he can play marth and make him good… I know ultimates competitive landscape is different, but the lack of solo mains and… this makes me a bit upset
Many of the characters in the 50s get used in Ultimate. Like I mentioned, ICs are a threat from Big D, there are other examples. I think Marth struggles to get top level rep because most people who would be interested him just tend to play Aegis, Cloud, Lucina etc. instead.
@@MikeyDLuffy Yeah, I forgot how bad she is in brawl, what surprises me the most is pikachu, I feel like his placement should be higher, but he is hella underrated in both smash 4 and ultimate, like putting him outside of top 10 is criminal.
for me, the top 3 is good, but I would reverse diddy kong and fox, for me fox is number one and his iconic just it's fox, and diddy is a beast, but bc he was not in all game like fox. but yeah good tier list even if i wanted to see a falcon or a mario but that's my problem.
yea I actually think I would put both Fox and Pika above Diddy if I made my own personal subjective list. Being around since the start and staying good is too impressive.
Production value is crazy good, visuals are bangers
Thank you!
Super interesting video! I'd love to see your complete list with every character's placements. I've done similar math myself to find the *worst* Smash character who by my calculations ended up being Zelda, not Ganondorf as you said in this video (unless that was just a joke lol)
Anyways I hope this video pops off, keep it up fam
I have actually tried to replicate some kind of mathematical way of calculating this, but I think your method is actually surprisingly simple and effective.
Thank you so much for making this video, this is something I have always wanted someone to make but I never found it until now.
@@Litttlepersonhi appreciate it! Yeah I was actually stuck on how to go about the math and asked quite a few people. There are definitely different methods that could work but I thought this one would be simple and effective which is perfect for a video format
i thought it was Fox because he won a Super Major in 3 different Smash Games (Melee, Smash 4 & Ultimate) and a ton of people play as him and an example is LarryLurr
As a pokemon fan it makes me happy to see our lil guy being one of the best throughout the series
diddy's gotta throw a party after winning this one
Mikey D Returning to Smash vids? Lets go!
VERY cool analysis, this video deserves so much more praise excellent work!
Thank you! I appreciate it a lot. Hopefully RUclips helps recommend it haha
Glad to hear my boy Diddy performed so well! He is definitely my favorite character in Smash Ultimate.
Obviously Diddy, mf can’t go a game without being top tier and huge in the meta. ZeRo showed us what he was truly capable of.
He sucked in pre-patch Ultimate
@ ik he did but this is the final version and he’s fucking juiced
Mikey D smash content????? Let’s go
My prediction for top 5 is:
1. Pika
2. Fox
3. Diddy
4. Zero suit
5. Sonic
@@Walterhartwellwhite07 No lie, playing Rivals 2 just made me miss Smash LOL
@@MikeyDLuffy real dude I been yearning for some joker with all the sf6 I’ve been playing
Really fun video, hope to see more!
For my top five I'm gonna go diddy kong, sonic, fox, mario, pikachu
I'm crazy
@@mltprngkim391 haha Mario has had some good showings for sure, but also a few stinkers that brought him down quite a bit
I'd actually calc'd this all a long time ago but it's nice to see a video supporting my exact findings with such good presentation. Good video.
After Pikachu and Fox were mentioned, I started narrowing it down to who could be the number one: My guesses were Mario or Diddy, but when you mentioned that he didn't appear in every game, my final answer became Diddy Kong... And goddamn, I called it
Mario ? Trash in Brawl... and bottom mid in Melee 😮
@kevinnapolitano35 Yeah, looking back, I have no idea why I thought Mario would be number 1. Guess his higher placements in 4 and Ultimate influenced my thought process
Very cool way to do this, well done!
@@Overzach12345 thank you!
Happy to see another video :)
@@gentlekef8653 thank my goat!
One of the best smash analysis videos I’ve seen, keep up the great work!
I would give more to Peach because her placement in Smash 4 became before her great run in 2018. Honestly she deserves to be higher
Yeah Brawl Marth is awesome.
I honestly think Sonic in Brawl deserves to be higher because he has some good MUs above him.
Icies I think are much better then the tier placement says
My Top 5 before seeing it:
5-Yoshi
4-Zero Suit
3-Diddy Kong
2-Fox
1-Pikachu
Honorable mentions cloud and bayo
"#4 is cap" - Marss (probably)
When I said that I think she is a little underrated, I had a passing thought that I hope Marss never watches that part 😅
Very well made. Keep up the good work.
Thank you!
Mario's moves are just so iconic in Smash
Seeing this now, so here's my prediction:
5: Sonic
4: Zero Suit Samus
3: Diddy Kong
2: Pikachu
1: Fox
Very well made video! I like that you tried being objective, though I do have to say that I'd prefer to see a less mathematical take on this for 2 reasons.
1: Strats get nerfed and/or banned over time. This especially hurt Ice Climbers, bc they would have probably been #1 in Melee if it wasn’t for the wobbling ban.
2: Reason I think Fox and Pikachu are by far the best characters in the series is precisely because they were in more games. That should be rewarded, as they're "risking" their throne more often than Diddy did. Same reason why someone who wins 1 P Tier and never shows up again would not be ranked #1, and it would instead go to the guy who got 2nd/3rd place in 5 different tournaments.
@@Ray_SB Thank you! And although I personally agree with the thought that more games should be rewarded, the example of winning 1 P tier is exactly why I didn't include Cloud Snake Steve etc. With that example of Lumi Ranks, people actually are buffed by doing well at a few majors and then stopping, just like Diddy is here. Obviously you can't go to just 1, but the less you go to the better you get ranked, as long as you go to a minimum amount and do well
i knew Diddy Kong would be #1 even though he's only been in three games. all of his placements are in the single digits, which is crazy.
i think if you ran this formula for bottom tiered characters, Zelda (Shiek notwithstanding) might actually end up worse than Ganondorf. Zelda's been bottom 10 in all of her appearances. Ganondorf's alright in Melee, at least.
Good idea tbh, might be worth checking for another a video
Great Video!
@@shafir5726 thank you,!
"You didn't put Bowser Jr. as #1, therefore this list is wrong. My friend, Brandon, always beat us at his birthday party when we would play timed free for all's. Side b is OP!!!!" - 9 year old Timmy
Jokes aside this is seriously fucking impressive shit. I do not know how long it must have taken you to make this and especially draw the P5 break-ins for characters, but it looked great. Honestly I'd love to be able to see the full list to see where everyone placed if you have it available. Other than that you get a like from me. Great work dude
Little Timmy is right though. Brandon's Morton is crazy
Appreciate it a lot! I didn't check every single character unfortunately, but I could and make a quick video just listing them from top to bottom!
@@MikeyDLuffy Yeah that’d cool, whatever works! I don’t want you to do any more work than you already have because I know the pain of working on a video for months haha
Great video man 👍
appreciate it!
Locking in
1. Diddy kong
2. Pikachu
3. Fox
4. Sonic
5. Sheik
At least i got first😅
@@toonishigh great guesses tbh haha, I had sheik high on my initial guess. Brawl did her dirty 😭
Banger video keep it up
My guesses for the top 5:
1. Diddy kong
2. Fox
3. Pikachu
4. Falco
5. Sheik
Ooohwow sooo insightful 👏
Fox McCloud
Diddy being the best surprised me, thought it was fox for sure, but it makes sense. Also, Diddy isn't in melee but I feel he would've been really good in that game as well. Maybe around yoshi level.
It appears that for ages to come, Diddy will always stay relevant...
Ngl I wasn’t expecting diddy Kong, but looking at his placement… yeah it’s crazy how I forgot about him. Not having a placement in the double digits after over a decade is crazy
My prediction:
#5: Sonic
#4: Diddy Kong
#3: Fox
#2: ZSS
#1: Pikachu
i would say pikachu would be the best character across every smash game since he was only a mid tier in one game being melee and he won and axe has won a summit with pikachu and in the other 4 games was considered a high tier even being the best character in 64 he has one at least one insanely stacked event across every smash game making him be the only character who has always had always won a major or stacked event like a invitational across every smash game
Pikachu
Fox
Meta Knight
Bayonetta
Steve
The best player for Smash 4 Pioneer Diddy Kong when he was nerfed after being broken for so long, and Fox is by far the best character to ever pick up if you play very fast with his combos and his kit works out so well.
I love Fox as a character to be picked up as a secondary. I mainly go with little Mac because he fits the style of going fast but trades with power than weak moves and recovery. But players have figured out that little Mac has a lot of tech behind him to be unstoppable.
Little mac unstoppable? I don't know about that one lil bro. He'll peak at second worst above ganon and thats it
I feel like if you're not gonna include characters introduced after Brawl, they should've been struck from the tier lists first to make the rankings easier to handle.
please make more smash content bro please. like your like the only good teacher for things like strategy. or do rivals of aether please bro
@@oddgodzilla225 haha appreciate it! I've just been getting back into Smash again recently! Going to start with videos like this but I'll try to get into the more depth stuff too
Great video
@@glob-zt5ci thank you!
Love the content
OLIMAR THE GOAT absolutely never misses. dumpsters that fraud meta knight
Haven't finished the video yet but my predictions are:
Diddy (People dont realise that this guy has never not been s tier)
Fox (Either Fox or Pika, but I think due to ultimate fox will be higher)
Pika (Good all around)
Zss (My main, never not been a tier)
Marth (idrk, him being really good in 3/4 of the games makes me think he might still be there)
This is hopeful btw, as marth & zss are my favourite characters 😊
great predictions haha
My top 5 prediction to start the video was Fox, Pika, Peach, Diddy, Falco. But after the Midpoint, imma hit it with the Diddy, Fox, Pika, Sonic, Falco
Fox and pikachu get extra points for being in more games. This combined with the fact that fox is better known from smash than his home series makes him the goat of smash for me
Really nice work. Well done. Always wondered about that topic but your concept I didn't come up with. Props for that, I just always tried to make by feeling and as you said, my answer was always theoretical Diddy, but due to Fox and Pika being consistent over 5 games I was always in Team they get number 1.
Is there a way you could publish the entire list of all characters that were in 3 or more games? I guess you did the math for all of them? Maybe in the description or a link? Would be really interesting
Appreciate it! Yeah I also always had Fox and Pika in mind when people talked about the best of all time but thought it would be interesting to check out the numbers. I didn't check some of the obvious characters who wouldn't make the cut, but I can finish up the list and then publish it after!
@@MikeyDLuffy
But not for me of course. Probably could even be content for a sequel video. I would see that, just real quick go over the order of every characters score that was in 3 or more games :D
you should do this for smash players across the games with a similar ranking system
Best designed kit sounds fun too
How do you even measure that
no clue about top 5 but with the ranking system diddy gotta be #1
Nostradamus looks to me for inspiration
🤣
Ok. My prediction for top 5 would be this:
#5: Sonic
#4: Zero Suit Samus
#3: Pikachu
#2: Fox
#1: Diddy Kong
Let's see if I'm right.
Edit: Yippee
Predictions:
1.Pikachu
2.Peach
3.Fox
4.Marth
5.Sonic
Ok so all the characters I guessed made it on the list at least. Diddy makes sense, didn’t think of him but I understand why he is there
Top 5 predictions:
5) Pikachu
4) Olimar
3) ZSS
2) Fox
1) Diddy Kong
Not too bad! I haven't followed Ultimate in a while and didn't realise Olimar & ZSS were considered quite a bit worse. Diddy is too consistent, I hope he's not top tier in Smash 6 lol
I expect Fox because not only is he the best in melee but he's been pretty good in other games as well, same with Falco.
Also Pikachu because no 1 in smash 64 and fairly good rankings across all other smash games except brawl but not even that bad.
Shiek has been pretty disgusting too in all games except ultimate, so she's also in my predictions.
Last but not least, Diddy Kong, amazing in brawl with two bananas, amazing in smash 4, fairly good in ultimate.
Dr Merryo
My prediction for the top 5 is
1. Diddy Kong
2. Pikachu
3. Fox
4. Sonic
5. Sheik
My personal opinion: Diddy kong is overall the best, his worst placement being 9th on the official ultimate tier list!
no fucking way i predicted this LOLLL!!
9:47 nice to see my girl Samus getting on the list she's my Smash main also my dream girl I'm attracted to bad asses.
really surprised falcon didn't make it in here
These were his scores! He got hurt a lot by brawl and a bit by Ult as well.
Smash64: 81.82
Melee: 80.00
Brawl: 10.81
Smash 4: 66.04
Ult: 51.85
I think ultimates rankings arnt near finished yet.
Bit still ready to see these results
Agreed! I think Ultimate will end up changing quite a bit
Before video guess: I think it’s probably diddy kong, top tier/broken in all of his appearances.
If it’s all 5 games, then I think it’s either fox or pikachu but leaning towards fox
Edit: Let’s go I guessed the top 3 (in order as well)
alright top 5 prediction before watching the video:
FOX, PIKACHU, ROB, DIDDY, SONIC
okay fine Ill do them in order:
ROB --> DIDDY --> FOX --> PIKACHU --> SONIC
dang didnt see zss coming.
Y'know what's reallu funny about Brawl Pika and Brawl Fox? While their ranked 8th & 15th respectively on the American Tier List, The Japanese Brawl Tier List ranks Brawl Fox at 7th and Brawl Pika at 22nd.
I lowkey understand them ranking Brawl Fox more highly as I personally think 15th is *not* where I'd rank him. Not just cause I think his actual kit itself is sevearly underrated, not just cause of players like TKD, Trevonte, & Yui, but *especially* after considering M2K's own experiences in Japanese Brawl tourneys that he attened during Brawl's lifespan (he talks about this on his Brawl Tier List video on the MVG channel) but 22nd for Pikachu is insanity to me... were there NO Japanese Pika's over there? Was ESAM really just hard carrying?
after ssc and supernova this year i feel pika will return to his true top 10 form in next years tierl ist
@@definitelydoctorproctor agreed, I actually think Pika being 17th in Ultimate is lower than he will end up, which is funny as Pika has often seen overrated throughout the years but now 17th seems too low
@@MikeyDLuffy for sure, even top 3 seemed low to me
Extra points to the Ice Climbers. ✌️
No?
@HiILikePizza Yes.
3ds mentioned !
This one is harder to guess before the video than the worst fighter vid. I could see the top 1 being Fox or Diddy.
Guessed the top 2 but didn't specify which one is #1. maybe if the requirements were 4 or 5 games Fox would be #1 but 3/5 is a pretty fair amount of games to pull from. Didn't mention him but Pikachu being #3 isn't that surprising. He's just fundamentally got a good kit. Sonic was a little surprising top 5 but zss wasn't.
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I was going into this thinking it’s gotta be Pika or Fox but damn Diddy just too good…that feels wrong to say…
@@Vaporwavelol 🤣 make sure to include the "Kong"
We need coney to see this.
Ask him for me and I'll owe you 😅
I wanted to see this video and see if I was right and that my main Diddy being the best character and was so right and was right about Pikachu & Fox being high up on the list just didn’t know who’d rank higher
It's probably Pikachu, Fox or Peach right? Maybe ZSS?
Cha la Head Cha laa
curious where falcon ends up
Kirby is my favorite Super Smash Brothers character!
I take fat dumps on Kirby
Yo me too
Same
I like Him as well
That's so tragic
Why'd you not include falcon in 64?
I checked Falcon, he didn't make the top 10 even with a good placement in 64/Melee but his Brawl and Ultimate placements hurt him a lot
I think ZSS would make Top 5
For me it's honestly sonic or pyra and mythra they are my mains but although I can accept Steve is the god of ssbu
Probably metaknight from brawl
diddy kong is 100% the best he was S tier in all 3 all games
Bruh Snake is absolutely NOT 4th in Ultimate. More like 14th
2:23
hwuaa
I think Link is the one
No.
Pikachu and Mario
Mario!? What?
Do ultimate players not play low tiers and such as much as melee players?? I don’t understand how marth is 55th, even if skill is in play it honestly shouldn’t be so large of a gap??
Like saying “only Leo does it”, is like if I saw M2K play marth and say only he can play marth and make him good… I know ultimates competitive landscape is different, but the lack of solo mains and… this makes me a bit upset
Many of the characters in the 50s get used in Ultimate. Like I mentioned, ICs are a threat from Big D, there are other examples. I think Marth struggles to get top level rep because most people who would be interested him just tend to play Aegis, Cloud, Lucina etc. instead.
Top 5 prediction
1- Pikachu
2- Fox
3 - Diddy kong
4 - Sheik
5 - Captain falcon or Sonic?
Sheik 🙏
@@MikeyDLuffy Yeah, I forgot how bad she is in brawl, what surprises me the most is pikachu, I feel like his placement should be higher, but he is hella underrated in both smash 4 and ultimate, like putting him outside of top 10 is criminal.
I hate Diddy Kong the most so he deserves last place
Havent watched yet, its fox
cool
Mango nation
Fox mcCloud
As a powerscaler this is my nightmare. A character who should be so weak defeating every legend across basically every franchise is wild
Pikachu 100%
Diddy won…
for me, the top 3 is good, but I would reverse diddy kong and fox, for me fox is number one and his iconic just it's fox, and diddy is a beast, but bc he was not in all game like fox. but yeah good tier list even if i wanted to see a falcon or a mario but that's my problem.
yea I actually think I would put both Fox and Pika above Diddy if I made my own personal subjective list. Being around since the start and staying good is too impressive.
12:13 what a ridiculous opinion
Smash 4 ruined every1's perception of her. If she came out in Ult at her current power level, I think people would like her quite a bit.
bro there is 0 reason for telling us what metrics you are not considereing. bad!