Custom Ammo Needs to be Tailored to YOUR Rifle
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In the March 2024 issue of Shooting Times, Joseph Von Benedict says that Federal will load custom ammunition for your rifle, which is true. Where the hype comes in is for him and Federal to claim that their custom loads, worked up for your rifle, is going to be the top of the line.
This is not possible without a custom load worked up for YOUR particular rifle. No rifle of the same caliber, made, even of the same components, will like, or digest, or work as accurately in one rifle as it will for another. Custom loads, premium loads, not worked up to your specific rifle is a disservice.
Federal’s offering is great for those who want loads for their caliber, but they need to know it may not be the optimum load for their own rifle. The only way to do that is to have myself or other handloader work up a specific load for your specific rifle, using that rifle, to wring out the best possible load.
Randy details why a “custom” load, not built for your specific rifle, but just for the caliber of your rifle, using “premium”, “match” or “select” components, does not equal premium, match or select ammo for YOUR rifle.
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The greatest marketing scam there is is calling something special edition, luxury, premium, custom made in all the markets. Cars apartments even food. Use good quality components take time and document your loads and if you want check case volume before and after firing.
Every barrel is different, and will require its own load development. I have friends ask me all the time to load some ammo up for them. I have to explain, not only will I need their rifle for an extended period of time, but the cost of the components I will need to test, is going to be more than they would spend just testing out some different factory loads for themselves. And that’s not counting the hours I would have to put in loading and testing different combos. I can reload plinking handgun ammo quick and relatively inexpensively, but when I’m hand loading good rifle ammo, it’s time consuming, and requires lots of data gathering. I enjoy doing it, and the reward of finding a load that works great in my rifle is worth it.
I agree 100%. But you might want to be careful of liability issues with loading for someone else. A warm load under cool temperature might be dangerous if your buddy leaves his ammo out in the hot sun on a warm day. I WONT LOAD FOR ANYONE other than myself or my wife.
Part of the fun of owning a rifle is developing loads yourself through experimentation. The idea of sending the rifle to somebody else for load development is alien to me. I wasn't aware it was really a thing.
I will be honest. With my rifle I tried a bunch of different powder charges, bullet weights, and seating depths.
With just about everything I tried the rifle averaged from 1.5 to 2" groups at 100 yards. Many groups were about the same no matter what I did at the reloading bench, and then I could buy a box of factory ammunition and shoot a tighter group of one inch or less.
My rifle isn't a target rifle. It's a hunting rifle and has worked well for me in the environment I hunt. I just admire people that have had real results developing super accurate loads for their rifle at the reloading bench.
@@RickNethery Obviously the potential is there. Have you tried to duplicate any of the superior factory loads?
@@Paladin1873 Yes sir, but just using my chonograph and trying to match their velocities. Usually thought I can't match their speeds safety. Not sure what powders they are using, they can out run me by over 100 fps or more without excessive pressure.
I tried telling my wife my handyman skills are premium and I am a handsome man. She doesn’t follow the hype.
There is NO substitution for your own loads through practice practice and practice. AND KNOWLEDGE FROM LEGENDS LIKE THIS!! Have fun and be safe everyone. Blessings from Montana
That's the whole purpose to custom hand load ammo for any rifle you own for optimal performance.
Great information. It is a shame some people just don't "Get it" after all the information Randy has given.
Sir I’ve noticed on factory ammo every round is supposed to be loaded the same but the velocity is different the performance of the bullet is different and that jump they have to do to get the rifling is crazy. I don’t know I’ll hush sorry for commenting so much sir. Thank you and your wife for sharing this with us GOD BLESS
Know your gun, know your loads, know your game, know your accuracy, know your capacity...plain and simple. If you can't do it...don't. I am a hand loader. I have been doing this since the 90's. My hunting loads do under 1" at 100 yard and in my part of the county shots don't get over 300 yrds. I know what it will do and I kill game. It is not rocket science. It is practical hand loading for a practical purpose. If I was planning on shooting at longer distances...I would do the homework to get the tools and myself where it has to be to do the job. . There is no shortcut. As he says....there is no other way to get it. Great video..
I had a model 70 classic 7mm that I had awful time with. I spent a lot of time trying to get her to shoot well. Because I bought the rifle used I thought maybe it had been shot out. Eventually I got it to shoot a 1.5" group consistently and figured that might be all I could do with gun. I shot the rifle on our doping range to see what she did at distance and to my surprise she really began to shine the further out we went. The groups remained within 2" and at 500 yards we had shot some fine groups with some same hole impacts. That rifle and load has been a blessing to many hunters since and has been a family favorite. Many of family have taken their first deer with it and so have some of my friends. The closest shot being 380 yards and the farthest so far being 570. She consistently shines at 500 yards and produces 3 inch three round groups at 700 on a nice day. I hope to have you rebarrel her when she gives up one day as we have had many many rounds through her but for now she continues to make the family happy. It was once a rifle we really didn't like but now she's our "Lucky #7"
My bull barrel 308 didn't poke em into a single jagged hole with 175 grain Sierra Match kings. I finally decided to try some extra bullets I had, and they were some 180 grain SSTs. I used the exact same powder charge, same primers,
same cartridge overall length.
I sure am glad that I had about a few of those old bullets to try out because they all went into a single jagged hole that a dime would cover every single bit of that single hole at 100 yards. I still use that load in my old 308 because it just plain old works. The maximum deviation of three shots is only 6 feet per second.
Having read said article.. an While I agree with what you said 100% Been there Done That..
My take is from the article is that.. There basically doing what we've done for years..Loading what should be the most consistent shot to shot ammo BUT WITHOUT FIRING IT IN THE FIREARM..
IN SHORT TOP OF THE LINE FACTORY LOADS.
No Substitute for working up for the Rifle at hand though.
People may over look a lot of factors when it comes to working up loads.
Take for instance the phyiscal rifle.
The barrel, the receiver, the bolt, the throat, the rifling, the trigger. Maybe above all things, is the barrel straight!
It takes good material and good workmanship to start the process.
If you have that maybe, just maybe, the backend stuff comes easier.
There are so many factors involved, it takes a life time to figure them out.
Randy knows and he is trying to help people.
Yes it can be expensive. If you happen to work for Hornady or Federal, then you maybe lucky.
Keep up the good work Randy and Cathy. My guess is Cathy can do a pretty good job of it herself.
Happy New Year and keep up the good work and great videos.
I read that article and felt the same way about it as you. They throw out a lot of cases that don't pass the concentricity gauge or, most likely, send them over to Federal blue box division. Also they weigh powder charges to the second decimal point, which is ridiculous. What's next, using an exacto knife to cut each kernel in half? That'll drive the price up. COAL is the thing to focus on imo. Been handloading 40 years and the schitt I see bandied about makes me laugh. Thanks for posting on YT!
I’m glad to see you call that gentleman out. I had a few issues with a previous video that he made making claims that were simply not true.
It is always fun to build a beter mouse trap, or hand load a beter cartridge than factory. Back in the day, with few factory choices, it was a must. Today, depending on cartridge, you can try up to 20 or more factory combinations, before handloading. And it also depends on what your accuracy goals are. Handloading works for me
So true sir! I started out reloading for a 16ga shotgun because no one ever put them on sale. It quickly morphed into handloading. There are too many variables like powder, primer, bullet, and seating depth for factory ammunition to perform optimally. I’ve been loading since the late 1960’s. I shot factory ammo at the 500m ram one day and never hit it. Switched over to my loads and hit every time. I was just playing with my 243 that day. It really opened my eyes. If you read the box it says it was loaded with “reasonable” care. What their definition is, is anyone’s guess.
I always enjoy your videos. You make people better handloaders as long they listen.
Thank you Randy. People need to hear the truth.
I've been handloading since the 80s and still learn stuff but for the most part, with a well built rifle, my handloads have worked to my satisfaction and are extremely accurate. I stopped shooting 300WM about 25 years ago but ended up buying a new Tikka T3x as a donor rifle to build a 7PRC. I just couldn't stand it, I just had to go buy some ammo just to see how it would do. I kept thinking about what if I tear down a perfectly good shooting rifle just to build something else. Went to a local store, bought NORMA Whitetail 150s and NORMA Bondstrke 180s. This new 300WM did NOT shoot anything over 0.5 for 3 shot groups with either. DANG IT! NOW WHAT? Here I have this factory rifle shooting factory ammo extremely well. After two 3 shot strings with both types of ammo, the Whitetail got even better and I ended up finishing the box over the next hour. I ended up getting 0.2s with it. Went back to the store and bought the rest of the 150 Whitetail Norma ammo they had which was about 5 boxes so now I'm keeping that Tikka as is
3 weeks ago I decided to go down the same road, bought an identical 300WM Tikka and this time told myself I"M NOT GOING TO SHOOT IT. Well, I did. I thought to myself there's no way it's going to perform like the first one. Well it did but this time the 180 Norma Bondstrke printed 0.2s to 0.3s out of the box and the Whitetail did well at 1/2" groups. So here again I have another new 300WM that I was going to use as a donor rifle but now it's staying as is. I'm shopping on gunbroker for a donor Tikka left hand magnum to build the 7PRC. Hopefully I'll find a 270WSM. I just won't buy that ammo so I won't have to consider how well it might shoot.
But ultimately, I have two new Tikkas shooting NORMA factory ammo as well as many handloader rifles and handloads.
I always enjoy your videos Randy. I have never bought ammunition that shot to the capability of the rifle. That's what makes hand loading so much fun. Folks should learn for themselves so they can have the best ammo for their rifle. I enjoy handholding just as much as shooting.
Keep up the great videos!
Well said Randy! I had a Remington 700 Mountain Rifle in 280 cal. when they first came out....'90? with a Nikon fixed 4X scope. I took it to an older Gunsmith and had the barrel floated and the action glassed. A friend of mine who had many years of experience with rifles and reloading helped me work up the proper load for it. Remington primers and cases, 55 grns. IMR-4350 pwdr., and 120 grn. Nosler PSP Boat-tail Partition bullets. With this we achieved 1/2'' groups or less consistently at 100yds. with the ''Pencil-thin'' barrel! He expressed to me that out of all the ones that came to him, mine was the only one that shot that way! These were new at the time and I'm convinced it was the results of what I had done to it along with his knowledge, and my ability to shoot ( humbly stated) that it shot that well! You cannot beat a man at his own game and you cannot substitute experience! Thank you again Randy for what you're worth!!!! Btw, I killed several WT deer with it, with that bullet, because I hit them where they lived!
I started doing this based upon another of his videos. I currently have a 7 Rem Mag (7828, 190 a-tip) rifle holding ~.5 MOA at 1200 yards when I don't screw up wind calls. I am aware this isn't world beating, but I am still very new to this (only 25 years; 20 reloading + 5 hand-loading).
I'm sure someone's load is better and they're also a better shot. It's a journey and RGS has really helped me along the way. Thanks for that.
My Savage model 111 in 25-06 it took me a while to figure out the bullet it loves. Nosler 1OO fr ballistic tips. I’ve never shot a factory round through it and never will. I’ve had it close to 11 years if still looks brand new and the load I load for a it is a tack driver.
What this man says here is 100% correct. You can have two rifles with consecutive serial numbers that won't shoot the same load in the same way. Using top level components in no way assures top level accuracy. I've been custom loading and shooting competition for forty years.
No doubt your the best sir I’d give bout anything to set down across a table and talk to you. GOD BLESS
For the years I've been reloading, you are spot on. We need more people like you who know what they're doing.
I do have a question on reloading/ shooting.
Is the a such thing as an all around bullet?
Say I want to hunt for deer and I want an ethical killing bullet. Now I also want to shoot 1000 yards target or metal gong.
Hypothetically, so a 300 win mag using 200gr Nosler partition.
Is there a bullet that can do both. So you don't have to move sights and different bullets and loads?
Jeff
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. Your bench rest tutorial helped me immensely, especially with my spotter rifles. Resting my hand on top of the scope instead of placing it under the stock is a game changer for me and my group sizes. That method was fine for target rifles that weigh 20lbs, but was no good for me and light weight rifles. Thank you!
That way I can check the shoulder is right and the round chambers smooth. Thanks to your Lovely Wife for filming this GOD BLESS
Great video, would love to hear your thoughts on the 300 RUM specifically
Boat Tale bullets started becoming popular for hunting with emphasis on b.c..and I have used them mainly the ELDX with good result but many hate the ELDX lol.
Absolutely hit the nail on the head there Randy, as always a brilliant common sense approach, I guess common sense isn't that common these days.
Where Federal went wrong is if you did hit your animal with there ammo with a Barnes Tripple shock you had a chance with a bullet that's giving myself a 99% or better bullet retention. But they dropped it. An with that sales. Great video spot on as usual.
I totally agree, sir.
Preach Mr. Selby! The truth will set you free. Everyone is looking for fantasy answers. It a breath of fresh air to hear the truth. Thanks again and keep doing what you're doing. People like me appreciate hearing truth and logic.
You are 100% right sir, I have been hand loading for 50 plus years.
You know the old saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, there will always be morons out there, but it is hard to fix stupid.
God bless.
A reloading buddy set one day with his uncle and they pulled the bullets. There was at least 4 grains of powder in some of them
I guess it depends on your definition of accuracy. I handload my ammunition and consistently get 1/2 to 3/4 MOA groups from my rifle and handloads. I don’t chronograph them or measure the case head expansion. I’ve felt no need considering the accuracy I’ve gotten is pretty darn accurate to me.
I can’t explain it but Nosler ballistic tips have shot perfect out of every rifle I’ve shot them in with the right load.
Have at least 3 factory rifles that shoot factory ammo well under .5 moa when I do my part. Have only ever had maybe 2 rifles that I cant get factory ammo to shoot moa or better.
Thank you for your wisdom and expertise. Take care brother “
Federal can’t seem to find the time to keep my local gun shop, supplied with primers.
Now they mean to tell me, they got time, to weight sort my casings, uniform my pockets & flash holes, set the sizer die correctly for my chamber, turn my necks, seat my primers, hand weigh each charge & stuff my bullies to just exactly the correct OAL ?
They must plan on putting on some help. YAY ! Maybe I can get some primers too.
One of them true 1000 yard expert marksman, that can hit somewhere, on a 4’ diameter gong, will be all over this idea.
Randy and your lovely Wife I say hello 👋 to y’all
again, thank you for this excellent information.
Great video
I’m going this coming week to find me a chronograph
Amen!
I'm sure Federal is fire forming the brass to your chamber dimensions and checking your seating depth before they manufacture your "custom" ammo.
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I have a 90's era Browning A-Bolt stainless stalker in 7mm rem mag. Pretty sure I have less than 500 rounds through it over the years. I am not a handloader (yet) and the rifle averages 1.5 to 2.0 MOA at 100 yards with a variety of factory ammo as it did when new. I would like to extend my range a bit out to 500-600. I would be happy with consistent 1 MOA or below. I am debating trying hand loading, or I can put that money into a different rifle. Do you think with custom hand loading I should be able to find a load that shoots MOA or better with that rifle? Any opinion on the accuracy of the old A-Bolt?
I suppose if you did all the read had for the right load for your gun you would know what to tell Federal what you want, but at that point you might as well just keep loading your own bullets. If your not a reloader, you better guess right quick or federal is going to make a bunch of money off of you.
That's right Randy! A lot of bull shittin goin on these days
It's all about selling a product. These companies give false information to the uninformed. It takes work.
Hi i need a little help i have a Browning 22 long rifle the barrel unscrews & comes off & it will not stay on center after i center it up how to fix this issue ? Thanks
Daniel
Hello my question is do they make a muzzle brake for a stock remminton 700 and if they do where can I get one and how much Thank You!!!!
"They"?
I make custom muzzle brakes for those who inquire via email.
Thanks for watching.
Randy you’ve forgotten more than I will ever know.
Probably the same thing as their gold medal match.
Factory rounds can’t shoot the no way. I’m talking one hole.
I’m not sure whats worse, a dude named von Benedict giving advice or having something done for you by federal. Either way, it’s hard enough hauling meat down and up out of a ravine, I have no desire to do that at 700 yards.
This is different from what you are talking about but i can not get a good answer from no body else what is a good way to store powder in a non climate controlled building
Randy,
Is a good digital caliper sufficient to measure case expansion?
Needs to be a 1 ten thousandth but yes.
@@Saintsfan1977meant caliper.
@@MrHf4l No. A caliper only measures to the thousandth and it's +- 001. Not nearly enough to measure expansion. You need a micrometer
@@Saintsfan1977 I’m seeing many quality brand micrometers that have a margin of error larger than the .0005 that we are trying to observe on the case.
@@MrHf4l Even a cheap micrometer is good to +- 00001
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The Federal ammo I use for my 7 rem mag works just fine. I call bs. You make it sound like you are the only one who can do anything related to guns and hunting……move over ELDX. Randy found another ammo to bash
WHAT A JOKE ...... I'll just stay with the BEST AMMO EVER MADE... & That's HORNADAY RED TIP..!!...
Randy is disgustingly self promoting himself as the only one who can do his job so I’m questioning whether his is a real gunsmith.he’s obviously in it for the money
You obviously didn't listen very well because I heard him mention other qualified gun Smith's could do the same as him,but you probably know it all.
@@lennie2651 I’ve heard all too often unfortunately. Admittedly I turned it off after his first few sentences. He’s pushing his out of control priced services while bashing others continually. My factory 7 rem mag and factory Federal Fusion ammo is all I need to know after testing many different ammos in my rifle.
Now that being said, I only on rare occasion hunt with a rifle. I like em close! That’s why I am a bowhunter first and will on occasion buy a landowner rifle elk tag to fill my freezer when I don’t draw.