@@NorffMericaquite possibly @kdean8129 watches this expert to gain knowledge of hand loading and improving his rifle and hunting skills and yet still uses a bow to take game at 6’ and 10’ and enjoys the real thrill of a hunt by stalking his game to those distances. Most dedicated hunters have enough respect for the game to close the gap for a humane kill. A rifle shot at 6’ on a elk deer or moose will at most penetrate the .308 diameter hole maybe skin deep, burn some hair. If you’ve ever actually taken game you should know you cut the wound channel off of edible meat. We are not interested in taking pot shots at these majestic animals hoping to drop one so we can get that perfect video of us high fiving and hootin on a RUclips video just to boost our egos. It’s the love and passion of ethical hunting that drives dedicated hunters. Give it a try it’s a feeling you’ll never forget.
"hunter"? people mistake FILLING A FREEZER Hunter, with a "hobby hunter", there is plenty of overlap. but, there is a difference. I enjoy hunting, but at the end of the day, I am there to fill the freezer. I DO kill big bucks, not as a trophy, as much as a Large mule buck has 3X the meat of a little mule buck.
I'm very glad that you are speaking out. I'm old enough to have known some of the real hunters. God bless and keep teaching. You are absolutely necessary. Thank you.
It takes good character and intelligence to succeed wildly at something you worked very carefully for and then say "I got lucky, too many variables, won't do that again" even if you're at the top of the game.
When I was young I learned to hunt from a guy who has killed more big elk than anyone I've ever met..he always tought me to pick out the bullet you wanted to shoot for the hunting you were doin and then match everything else to the bullet. Gun, scope,ect
Randy, I always hit the thumbs up and then listen to your stories, lol! I enjoy your videos and respect your opinions because you’ve got the experience and knowledge to back it up! I really appreciate your backstories about firearms and various calibers you’ve seen and been involved with over the years! I wish I was your neighbor, I’d bring a fresh mug of coffee every morning and listen to every word, Sir! Take care and be well!
Well said Randy! I Hunt Elk with a .300 Win Mag & .264 Win Mag. I use Barnes TTSX Bullets. If I can't get within 300yds, I will not shoot. Complete penetration and Energy dispersion is Ideal. I like to Hunt, Not Snipe. Keeping it Ethical.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us. I've never been somewhere that I've had a chance to shoot over the maximum point blank range of any of my rifles. Even if I had I don't know that I would take the shot. I've hunted for nearly 40 years now , taken lots of game but the older I get the more I appreciate all life and dread the thought of wounding/killing an animal and not recovering it. We owe it to God and ourselves to be the best we can be in all aspects including harvesting game.
I live outside Phoenix, Az. I watch sheriff's at Archangel shooting range practice 3 mile shots, now, they haven't had any luck but they are getting close. We have plenty Big horn out here and long range is almost necessary, there are humans out here in that are more than capable of ethnically taking a shot like that. Just because you can't and others fail, dosent mean Randy is the only capable human! But he sure does seem to think so.!
The Remington core lock was one of the first bullets to hold together and what was the building point for the rest of the bullets we have today, 400 yards is my max with my 300 Weatherby 180 gr bullets from Weatherby factory ammo
For anyone who has wounded and lost an animal. Trust me, You’re sick for weeks after. The thought “ If I only knew, I wouldn’t have taken the shot “. Won’t get out of your head. I’m an ethical hunter as they come. But stuff happens even at reasonable distances.
Randy, I have watched quite a few of your videos. And the lord has shown me something about you. I see two people that God wants for you to apprentice, a young man and a young lady. The man will take what you teach him and it will become a larger business venture and young lady will be a smaller custom gun maker. The lord wants your legacy to live on and for your skills and expertise to be passed on. So your legacy will be passed down before Jesus calls you home 🏡 😊 I am a man of God who prays and reads the word daily and I know about the hunting and shooting sports and have many fond memories of being afield hunting deer 🦌 and pheasants with family. The lord gives me prophetic messages for people from time to time. I hope this is a blessing to you.
I used to hunt with B. He was an excellent shot, tracker and outdoors man. We were hunting in the ANF in Pa. A doe came out at a later confirmed 70 yards (we didnt have doe tags). B estimated the range at 175 - 200 yards (Ok, it was a smallish doe...) I estimated 75... It was a measured 70. B just shook his head... (I would still hunt with him, but he had to move away for work). Soooo... Just how many of those 1,000 yard shots were more like 300... Ya Thimque? Is that Y so many shoot over the game? I dont snipe game. I hunt it. Jerry
I’m curious about the numbers you referenced, my ballistics calculator for the 7PRC (175eldx at 2900fps) is over 2000 ft lbs at 600 yards. That’s at 6000 ft elevation.
I'm 71 years old, and I've shot a LOT of big game in my lifetime. I have NEVER shot at a big game animal more than 400 yards away, and damn few over 350 yards. Only EXTREMELY few people have the equipment and ability to ethically shoot big game at over 500 yards -- and that, in no, or very calm, crosswinds.
Guess if you know velocity's in cartridges. you should know there is none that fly's so fast at 800 yds POI. When you develop a cartridge with a 5.5K Fps muzzle velocity with a 175 grns bullet let me know. And don't pull the 220 Swift or a 22-378 Wby on me🤣@@AikensLake701
What’s with the new concept that the 6.5 CM is superior to the 260 Rem because it encroaches less into powder space, when the .11” greater powder space of the 260 Rem. makes it a wash? For 140 gr. bullets, it’s a matter of using slightly faster powders in less case volume or slower powders compressed. The defense of the 260 Rem. isn’t really for retail shooters though, but it’s great for hand loaders who want to stay in the 308 Win. case family for supply security.
Why shoot at 400-500 yards? 440 yards is a quarter mile! Learn how to stalk game, get close and do your best work…or stay home. I’ve seen…that’s called empirical evidence…nice bull elk killed jackhammer dead at 100 yards with soft pure lead round balls from 50 and 54 caliber muzzleloaders. According to some, that impossible and next to blasphemy. Yet, I’ve seen done and know it to be a fact.
Not yet, but I'm looking forward to it. She hits Wild Hogs like a Semi Truck! How do you like the 300 Weatherby? That's probably going to be my next rifle purchase. @@DonGilbertoGuruledeNuevoMejico
@@willrowell3218 the 300 weatherby is MY JAM, 168-180 gr Barnes TTSX are absolute elk hammers at any muzzle velocity north of 3k, current load is a BT TTSX at 3375 fps, love that hog clapping with the 375!!
Man I had to have a .375. Growing up reading about Finn Aagaurd, and his adventures with his. I found mine slightly used for a song right out of college. Think I paid $350 out the door. Haha. That was a day that will live in infamy for the wild hogs of South Carolina. Lol@@DonGilbertoGuruledeNuevoMejico
I've always been fascinated by Roy Weatherby and his cartridges. As far as 30 caliber magnums go, I've always though the Weatherby would be the best all around choice. Noticeably faster than the old reliable 30-06, but without the recoil and short barrel life of the 30-378 Wby and the 300 RUM. @@DonGilbertoGuruledeNuevoMejico
Between unethical hunting & wind turbine blades, solar panels, & electric car batteries getting dumped off in the woods, we are wasting game faster than it can reproduce & ruining habitat of which there is only so much. When it’s gone, it is truly gone. There is no more.
This is more question than comment and off topic a bit , but I figured you would probably have better info than most. One of my coworkers has offered to sell me a Remington 660 bolt action in 308 win. It’s very beautiful and feels good.but I don’t know much about them. Wandering what your thoughts are . Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks
The safety on the Remington 660 could be moved to the “fire” position even when the bolt was not fully locked, resulting in potential accidental discharges. Remington initiated a recall for its Model 600, 660, and 700 rifles due to safety concerns, including the issues with bolt-locking mechanisms. You can contact Remington directly or visit their website to verify if your Remington 660 rifle has undergone the retrofitting process to address the safety concerns.
I hunt with a 35 whelen loaded with 225 grain accubonds leaving the muzzle at 2750 . I’ve shot elk at 20 feet all the way out to 198 yards lol. Why ? Because I’m a hunter . I also know that at these ranges that 35 whelen shines .
To me, Eld-x and SST bullets are essentially rebranded match bullets. They are meh to mediocre for a thin-skinned game such as deer and antelope. Said bullets dump their energy too quickly, in my opinion. The result is core and jacket separation they tend to fragment. If you go for a heart shot, frontal or quarter shot, or high shoulder shot and you hit bone, forget about it! Plan on tracking! Plan on going for a long hike! Mind you, I hunt Whitetails mainly. If you are patient, wait for that broad side behind the shoulder shot, said bullets will turn their internals into mush. If you are patient and you have good shot placement, said bullets can be effective on deer sized game. There is no exit wound. ELD-x and SST bullets are excellent for Varmints and predators. They are accurate bullets. I give them that. I wouldn't even attempt to use SST'S or Eld-x bullets on anything bigger than deer. We have wild boar and Black Bear, I prefer something that's tougher. I personally like Barnes and Nosler Partitions, For Bear and Hogs. With Elk, it's the same deal, usually with an elk sized game you want to roll with a heavier tough bullet. Our state of VA just started allowing hunters to hunt elk via a limited lottery system. For eastern woodlands, terrain long range for us isn't a thing. A hunter will have no problem killing an elk with a 30-06, which for woodlands range hunting is more than adequate. In the woods of VA, you can't see more than 150 yards. If you are hunting in a type of environment like me, you're 30-06 with a good 180gr Barnes TSX or Nosler Accubond or Partition is hard to beat for elk. Most folk hunt elk in western states. Ranges are longer. Don't shoot further than you are comfortable shooting. Know your limits. I can't emphasize that enough. I've worked with Hornady bullets before both SST and Eld-x. For game bullets, if you can call them that.. they are limited in what you can do with them. I've stopped using them because you don't always get that ideal broadside shot. I run mainly Partitions along with Federal fusion bullets for Whitetails these days. I still use the Eld-x for banging gongs and shooting whistle pigs and coyotes. Take it from me, choose a better bullet. There's nothing worse than having game getting away from you because of the bullet you choose to run. Don't believe the hype. Randy does an excellent job of telling the truth!
I was playing this on my phone without my ear buds in and my wife commented about how little this guy knows. Ballistics and bullets have come a long ways in 40 year's, Randys grasp of ballistics is weak at best and obviously does not have actual experience. I test bullets for multiple companies specifically on elk. My 28 Nosler and 195 Berger hit 1000 yards with 2100 ft lbs of energy, not that its what killing them but one minute their grazzing and in 1.1 second flight time the lights are shut off, no elk running a round just one drops and the others feed off and we slip in and recover them. Thee ideal range to take elk calmly and efficently is in the 600-800 yard range. Ya, you do need to shoot a bullet that is not a ballistic brick. I shoot how I do because its the cleanest way to kill and elk, no running around pushing elk all over the county just one clean shot and their cleanly killed, a clean ethical kill is why I don't care about the range just the best shot. Huge Randy fan when it comes to wolves and grizz but killing elk, not so much.
These Super-duper L-O-N-G sleek high bc bullets SUCK DONEY WEENER in the woods. They Tumble very easy. -- this is one of the problems with "the magic bullet".
I've taken lots of elk I'm a pretty good shot I will not shoot a elk over 400 yards..I've practiced alot out to 400..it's all the latest razzle dazzle just look how many new BLACK handguns are out every few months..
At first I was like this fellow is stuck in the past. But I have been listening without comment especially on 300 prc. I now know what the problem is! People are using long range steel hitting cartridges on game. They're game rounds and hunting should be done at 300 yards or closer! Sniper rounds are made honestly for killing people.
I don't think anyone is buying a 6.5 PRC to shoot game at 1000 yards. Hunters know that theres hype and truth and its somewhere in the middle. I have 2 6.5 PRCs now havent shot the newest one yet, or hunted with the one I'm breaking in. By the numbers a factory 130 grain 6.5 mm at 3150, thats not a laughing matter at all. Thats the factory terminal ascent in my Bergara. Some rounds are close to 3200 fps. If the .264 win mag is sufficient for the range and the game...the 6.5 PRC is also. They are nearly identical.
Energy is not everything. A 2,500 pound car moving 5 mph has 2090 ft lbs kinetic energy. If that car could be elevated high enough to strike a large bull elk broad side at that velocity it might break some ribs but it’s not going to kill that elk. The average energy of a cross bow bolt could be anywhere from 100 to 150 ft lbs. Plenty energy for elk at appropriate range. 170 grain 30-30 Winchester or 200 grain 35 Remington has plenty of velocity and energy to take elk cleanly out to 200 yards. If you believe Randy those cartridges barely have enough energy to take an elk at 10 feet from the muscle. The only amount of energy required is enough to push the projectile through tissue and cause damage, hemorrhaging etc to vital organs. It’s putting a well constructed bullet at a reasonable velocity in the right spot that counts. Most folks probably can’t keep their shots in the kill zone at over 300 yards under real world hunting conditions. Cold, wind, rain, uncomfortable or awkward shooting positions, nerves (aka buck fever) all take their toll. Stop with the long range BS. Stop with the unscientific, non replicated studies BS about minimum energy requirements by two or three people over 60 years ago. Just talk to the thousands of hunters who’ve been doing it for decades at ethical distances with old cartridges that don’t have that magical minimum energy.
i like how Randy is better than anyone and just knows how to do everything , im not a fan of long range hunting , but rifles , bullets , powder and optics have evolved so very much , plus a nosler partition bullet is so out dated , lead tips and exposed lead base and they never weight the same . CNC copper bullets do what they say and are very uniformed , and by the way velocity KILLS not energy , if that were the case a 223 couldnt kill past a foot from your muzzle , I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE .
I watch your videos and love the wealth of knowledge you bring to the table, but think sometimes your videos come off like you are just hating on any cartridge that has been introduced in the last couple decades and doesn’t have at least 100gr of case capacity. However, can’t we agree that some of the newer cartridges that you frequently reference in your videos ARE suitable for big game hunting as long as standards and ethics are taken into account (aka using proper bullets at proper ranges
“1000 yards out of the box” is a company slogan like a million other companies have a slogan. It doesn’t mean you can effectively kill game at 1000yds because that’s caliber dependent, and requires a lot of practice and skill. Still most hunters are not even going to try at 1000yds regardless of who built their rifle. The slogan means you can ring a steel target at 1000yds right out of the box with custom ammo already tuned for that rifle. Other than that, I agree with you on inferior bullets, calibers with insufficient energy at certain distances, and people “pull n pray” shooting at a distance they have no business even attempting. There will always be fools in any hobby. Nothing we can do about that. However, there are a small percentage of shooters, with the right caliber, the right bullet, who know how to read wind, who can make those very long shots you complain about.
You keep telling us stories of you shooting elk at long distances. You are not the only guy that can make that shot. Do as I say not as I do. It’s amazing how you’re the only one in the world that should shoot elk at distance.
Alabama Ballistics has video of shooting a clay pigeon at a mile with a 300 prc, that's about the same size as a moose heart. That's like threading a needle at a mile. Anyone can find people shooting 375 cheytec and 416 Barrett at 3 and 4 miles. Technology in rifles, ammunition, scopes, and shooter skill is so far beyond this 1960s stuff it's unreal. Like cashis clay said about boxing "propeller was good for it's time, but it's the jet age". Just look at the changes in long range shooting since the turn of the century.
The ballistics you're calling out are way off. My 7rm sends a 162 eldx at 3198 fps. Energy@600 is 2262 ftlb, @1000 1580 ft lb. It sends a 180 berger @ 2950fps. Energy @600 is 2194ftlb, @1000 1569. A 175eldx @2900 would be 2048ftlb, and 1457 @ 1000.... so im calling BS on your data!😂
Can’t seem to find these EDL bullets he talked about anywhere. If energy is everything you are telling me my 50,400,000 grain projectile will kill elk flawlessly at 4.4fps?
I’m fairly certain that a 36 ton projectile will harvest the biggest bull elk that has ever existed. …and I thought that there were no stupid questions.
Somehow I knew this was gonna be another bash fest by “the real gunsmith”. Stick to gunsmithing and stop talking about hunting already. It’s another tired argument saying the same thing over and over and over. I feel dumber after watching this……..you talk too much Randy. Why don’t you show us this stuff on the range for some real proof instead of blowing hot air all the time……..
Come on guys. If you don’t like it just don’t watch it. You may not agree or you may not like his presentation style but if you know guns and you watch a lot of his videos, he has a vast amount of knowledge about a lot of things.
I been having 1st hand experience with the 300 prc, and the 6.5 prc as well as the 6.5 Creedmoor, and all his talk is jibrish to me! I been doing load development and I personally wasn't behind the rifle the moment an elk was rendered! But I was helping with the DOPE!
@@rpmorrisjr I agree. I’m a hobbyist at best and this guy has a wealth of knowledge and experience that HE’S WILLING TO SHARE. I’d give anything to spend a week with him at his shop.
Out of all the rants and raves about long range and all the stories about how ethical you are and all the long range shots you have taken! Now you come out with a story about a 825yd shot on a big bull elk with a 12x scope and a guessed distance using sub tension reticle!! Hahaha come on old fella keep it real. The stories you tell about what you guys done back in the day are cool, but that was 60 years ago, all this talk about ballistics and shit it’s 2024 now mate you can literally find all the information you need for any circumstances with the simple press of a button, what you say about these companies that are selling long range rifles is 100% correct and unfortunately people buy into this shit and think they can go out and shoot long range is really unethical, I have a lot of mates that shouldn’t shoot past 300yds, the biggest problem is people don’t practice enough with there equipment and get real world data, that is the biggest problem!
I am man enough to admit that I made that shot, decades ago, and then admit it was then that I realized that it was not the thing to do. How many people put their mistakes, and admit them, out for the public to hiss on? And gadgetry doesn't make a hunter. Even when used a person should know how to, literally, hunt. Not snipe, not rely on "just" gadgets, but on skill to hunt.
Disgruntled old man that is ignoring current ballistic data. No one should shoot at game over 750 yds imo. 500 yd is my max and I love my 7 PRC and it’s performance at my comfortable range.
It's not Randy, it's Cathy. Eye issues, but no excuse for me not double checking. When I am back on my laptop I will redo the thumbnail. Thanks for so kindly ;) bringing this to my attention.
Randy ,at 65 - I absolutely agree with you. But, younger “ hunters “ think that the gun - will do the shooting for them ! (Bunch of B.S. ) . Best Regards- Jim Beck , Pincher Creek, Alberta.
I believe alot of what keeps most people from using the nosler bullets is the price of there bullets!! There ABLR Accubond partiton and Etip are all over a dollar a bullet even for the small .22 cal bullets in the partiton!! You can buy the Hornady SST GMX now CX and there interlock for less than a dollar a bullet closer to 60 cents for some of those bullets Barnes bullets can be bought for less than a dollar a bullet Sierra and speer also offer bullets that are affordable!! If you going to be trying to shoot game at 4 or 500 yards you need to shoot your gun a lot to get good enough with that rifle to take those shots and if your going to shoot a lot with a hunting bullet to get ready for those shots no one wants to pay nosler prices to do all that shooting when they can buy a cheaper game bullet!! This is why Hornady ELD-X is so popular you can get 100 .30 cal eldx for less than you would pay for 50 partitions in the same .30 cal!! Look at any store sells reloading components 90% of the Hornady line of bullets is on the shelf in stock Barnes are on the shelf the rest of the brands are hit and miss. It makes it hard to shoot a rifle you can only find the bullets your shooting one or two times a year like you would if you were shooting nosler bullets!! I used to shoot noting but nosler bullets in all my rifles but they can’t keep up with demand. I like to shoot all year round and I have to shoot a bullet I can get any time I need them and are affordable enough to shoot and practice with so I don’t use nosler anymore!! I shoot barnes and Hornady interlock now!!
It comes down to basic common sense, ethics, and respect for the game. It shouldn't be too much to ask of people.
Great information and most people don't have any business shooting at long ranges. You owe it to the animal.
A good hunter strives to get in close!
Totally agree. Elk at 50 yds whitetail at 6 feet moose at 10 feet. That's my kind of hunting. That's what I've done and taught my kids.
@kdean8129 so you want powder burn on the game? Revolver range?
@@NorffMericaquite possibly @kdean8129 watches this expert to gain knowledge of hand loading and improving his rifle and hunting skills and yet still uses a bow to take game at 6’ and 10’ and enjoys the real thrill of a hunt by stalking his game to those distances. Most dedicated hunters have enough respect for the game to close the gap for a humane kill. A rifle shot at 6’ on a elk deer or moose will at most penetrate the .308 diameter hole maybe skin deep, burn some hair. If you’ve ever actually taken game you should know you cut the wound channel off of edible meat. We are not interested in taking pot shots at these majestic animals hoping to drop one so we can get that perfect video of us high fiving and hootin on a RUclips video just to boost our egos. It’s the love and passion of ethical hunting that drives dedicated hunters. Give it a try it’s a feeling you’ll never forget.
@@NorffMerica That's good range!
"hunter"? people mistake FILLING A FREEZER Hunter, with a "hobby hunter", there is plenty of overlap. but, there is a difference. I enjoy hunting, but at the end of the day, I am there to fill the freezer. I DO kill big bucks, not as a trophy, as much as a Large mule buck has 3X the meat of a little mule buck.
I'm very glad that you are speaking out.
I'm old enough to have known some of the real hunters. God bless and keep teaching.
You are absolutely necessary.
Thank you.
Bear will get to your game before you can if you take super long shots or recovery time,in a lot of cases
They get ventilated where I’m from 😂😂 bastard bears
You get an elk and a grizzly on one hunt, yay.
It takes good character and intelligence to succeed wildly at something you worked very carefully for and then say "I got lucky, too many variables, won't do that again" even if you're at the top of the game.
Im 67 old guy but have always used partition bullets on moose. 30 caliber
Smart man!
Here is a radical new idea - instead of shooting at elk at 500 yards, get closer ! It's not target shooting, it's hunting !
When I was young I learned to hunt from a guy who has killed more big elk than anyone I've ever met..he always tought me to pick out the bullet you wanted to shoot for the hunting you were doin and then match everything else to the bullet. Gun, scope,ect
Most of the hunters that I've seen, shouldn't be shooting 300 yards. Let alone 500, 600, 800 or a thousand yards.
Thank you folks, for your efforts. Gerald.
Randy, I always hit the thumbs up and then listen to your stories, lol!
I enjoy your videos and respect your opinions because you’ve got the experience and knowledge to back it up! I really appreciate your backstories about firearms and various calibers you’ve seen and been involved with over the years! I wish I was your neighbor, I’d bring a fresh mug of coffee every morning and listen to every word, Sir!
Take care and be well!
What he said! 🫡
Well said Randy!
I Hunt Elk with a .300 Win Mag & .264 Win Mag. I use Barnes TTSX Bullets. If I can't get within 300yds, I will not shoot. Complete penetration and Energy dispersion is Ideal. I like to Hunt, Not Snipe. Keeping it Ethical.
This message to all creedmoor wanna be 1200 yd animal wounders
Let them stand out there at 1200 and be fired up on!!!
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us. I've never been somewhere that I've had a chance to shoot over the maximum point blank range of any of my rifles. Even if I had I don't know that I would take the shot. I've hunted for nearly 40 years now , taken lots of game but the older I get the more I appreciate all life and dread the thought of wounding/killing an animal and not recovering it. We owe it to God and ourselves to be the best we can be in all aspects including harvesting game.
I live outside Phoenix, Az. I watch sheriff's at Archangel shooting range practice 3 mile shots, now, they haven't had any luck but they are getting close. We have plenty Big horn out here and long range is almost necessary, there are humans out here in that are more than capable of ethnically taking a shot like that. Just because you can't and others fail, dosent mean Randy is the only capable human! But he sure does seem to think so.!
You tell it like it is, Mr. Randy and I have tremendous respect for you doing so!
Thank you, I'm with you; animals are not targets to practice on
Thank you for sharing that and other great stories/learnings.I only practice to 500 yards.I wish I had the opportunity to shoot and practice longer!!
thanks again for your info and insights. they are always spot on. and thanks to cathy for her hard work.
Nosler makes my favorite two bullets. The Ballistic Tip and the Accubonds.
Great video Randy sir and great info to GOD BLESS
Great information Randy thank you. Sorry you have to repeat yourself so many times but you always make it interesting and rewarding for us.
Luckily here in VA sight lines are usually short. All of my deer have been taken inside of 80 yards.
Thank you
Truer words . . . .
Suggestion for a future video: Barrel contours and considerations for larger magnum cartridges.
The Remington core lock was one of the first bullets to hold together and what was the building point for the rest of the bullets we have today, 400 yards is my max with my 300 Weatherby 180 gr bullets from Weatherby factory ammo
For anyone who has wounded and lost an animal. Trust me, You’re sick for weeks after. The thought “ If I only knew, I wouldn’t have taken the shot “. Won’t get out of your head. I’m an ethical hunter as they come. But stuff happens even at reasonable distances.
Randy sir hey to you and your lovely wife
Randy, I have watched quite a few of your videos. And the lord has shown me something about you.
I see two people that God wants for you to apprentice, a young man and a young lady. The man will take what you teach him and it will become a larger business venture and young lady will be a smaller custom gun maker. The lord wants your legacy to live on and for your skills and expertise to be passed on. So your legacy will be passed down before Jesus calls you home 🏡 😊
I am a man of God who prays and reads the word daily and I know about the hunting and shooting sports and have many fond memories of being afield hunting deer 🦌 and pheasants with family. The lord gives me prophetic messages for people from time to time. I hope this is a blessing to you.
I used to hunt with B. He was an excellent shot, tracker and outdoors man. We were hunting in the ANF in Pa. A doe came out at a later confirmed 70 yards (we didnt have doe tags). B estimated the range at 175 - 200 yards (Ok, it was a smallish doe...) I estimated 75... It was a measured 70. B just shook his head... (I would still hunt with him, but he had to move away for work). Soooo... Just how many of those 1,000 yard shots were more like 300... Ya Thimque? Is that Y so many shoot over the game? I dont snipe game. I hunt it. Jerry
You from up that way? My mom is from Brockway.
@@jasonweishaupt1828No, Western NY.
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I’m curious about the numbers you referenced, my ballistics calculator for the 7PRC (175eldx at 2900fps) is over 2000 ft lbs at 600 yards. That’s at 6000 ft elevation.
This is the old man (Levon Helm) in the movie shooter with Mark Whalberg, who the character was based on.
LOLOLOL, I hardly think so.
Thanks for watching.
Hype is correct my friend..
Muh stoppin power!
I'm 71 years old, and I've shot a LOT of big game in my lifetime. I have NEVER shot at a big game animal more than 400 yards away, and damn few over 350 yards. Only EXTREMELY few people have the equipment and ability to ethically shoot big game at over 500 yards -- and that, in no, or very calm, crosswinds.
Randy - What was the velocity of you 175 Partition on the elk you killed at 825 yards?
The cartridge is a 7mm Wapiti. And it's about the same as the 7mm RUM, about 3100+Fps
@@WillyK51lol 3100 at POI? BS
The point was slower than it should have been. Get close or watch animals possibly suffer.
Hi Mike. 3240 fps at the muzzle, 1740 remaining energy, corrected to 8200 ft altitude.
Thanks for watching.
Guess if you know velocity's in cartridges. you should know there is none that fly's so fast at 800 yds POI. When you develop a cartridge with a 5.5K Fps muzzle velocity with a 175 grns bullet let me know. And don't pull the 220 Swift or a 22-378 Wby on me🤣@@AikensLake701
Good talk on Enery
What’s with the new concept that the 6.5 CM is superior to the 260 Rem because it encroaches less into powder space, when the .11” greater powder space of the 260 Rem. makes it a wash? For 140 gr. bullets, it’s a matter of using slightly faster powders in less case volume or slower powders compressed. The defense of the 260 Rem. isn’t really for retail shooters though, but it’s great for hand loaders who want to stay in the 308 Win. case family for supply security.
260 beats the Needmore with same weight factory ammo.
I've seen quite a few videos and weblinks on the 260AI. With that in existence years before the CM, why did anyone come up with the CM to begin with?
It all to sell ammo, components and rifles.
Thanks for watching.
Why shoot at 400-500 yards? 440 yards is a quarter mile! Learn how to stalk game, get close and do your best work…or stay home. I’ve seen…that’s called empirical evidence…nice bull elk killed jackhammer dead at 100 yards with soft pure lead round balls from 50 and 54 caliber muzzleloaders. According to some, that impossible and next to blasphemy. Yet, I’ve seen done and know it to be a fact.
Some of us hunt elk in open country. Shots of a quarter-mile are common. Just the way it is. I don't try to tell you how to hunt.
.375 H&H for the WIN!
Have you used it on elk? I've used 300 wby, 340 wby, 300 RUM, 30-06 and 308 Win with success, always wanted to try the ol 375 H&H
Not yet, but I'm looking forward to it. She hits Wild Hogs like a Semi Truck! How do you like the 300 Weatherby? That's probably going to be my next rifle purchase. @@DonGilbertoGuruledeNuevoMejico
@@willrowell3218 the 300 weatherby is MY JAM, 168-180 gr Barnes TTSX are absolute elk hammers at any muzzle velocity north of 3k, current load is a BT TTSX at 3375 fps, love that hog clapping with the 375!!
Man I had to have a .375. Growing up reading about Finn Aagaurd, and his adventures with his. I found mine slightly used for a song right out of college. Think I paid $350 out the door. Haha. That was a day that will live in infamy for the wild hogs of South Carolina. Lol@@DonGilbertoGuruledeNuevoMejico
I've always been fascinated by Roy Weatherby and his cartridges. As far as 30 caliber magnums go, I've always though the Weatherby would be the best all around choice. Noticeably faster than the old reliable 30-06, but without the recoil and short barrel life of the 30-378 Wby and the 300 RUM. @@DonGilbertoGuruledeNuevoMejico
Thank you sir for your videos. What do you think about 8mm rem mag or his europien twin 8x68 s??
Very good cartridges.
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Between unethical hunting & wind turbine blades, solar panels, & electric car batteries getting dumped off in the woods, we are wasting game faster than it can reproduce & ruining habitat of which there is only so much.
When it’s gone, it is truly gone. There is no more.
I’m very saddened as well.
Be the kind of man who can stand in front of the Lord and say “Not me. “
This is more question than comment and off topic a bit , but I figured you would probably have better info than most. One of my coworkers has offered to sell me a Remington 660 bolt action in 308 win. It’s very beautiful and feels good.but I don’t know much about them. Wandering what your thoughts are . Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks
The safety on the Remington 660 could be moved to the “fire” position even when the bolt was not fully locked, resulting in potential accidental discharges. Remington initiated a recall for its Model 600, 660, and 700 rifles due to safety concerns, including the issues with bolt-locking mechanisms. You can contact Remington directly or visit their website to verify if your Remington 660 rifle has undergone the retrofitting process to address the safety concerns.
@@craigparker4108Pro level instruction. This is what I mean when I say that our elders are vital.
@@wahyasaquii7563 Thanks & Your welcome.
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I hunt with a 35 whelen loaded with 225 grain accubonds leaving the muzzle at 2750 . I’ve shot elk at 20 feet all the way out to 198 yards lol. Why ? Because I’m a hunter . I also know that at these ranges that 35 whelen shines .
What is your thoughts on a 180 sst in a 30-06. I go it moving 2700 and really shoots. I can hit targets very well out to 500.
Hi Dane, All SST are what they were designed for to blow to pieces and leave nothing but shrapnel.
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To me, Eld-x and SST bullets are essentially rebranded match bullets. They are meh to mediocre for a thin-skinned game such as deer and antelope. Said bullets dump their energy too quickly, in my opinion. The result is core and jacket separation they tend to fragment. If you go for a heart shot, frontal or quarter shot, or high shoulder shot and you hit bone, forget about it! Plan on tracking! Plan on going for a long hike! Mind you, I hunt Whitetails mainly. If you are patient, wait for that broad side behind the shoulder shot, said bullets will turn their internals into mush. If you are patient and you have good shot placement, said bullets can be effective on deer sized game. There is no exit wound. ELD-x and SST bullets are excellent for Varmints and predators. They are accurate bullets. I give them that. I wouldn't even attempt to use SST'S or Eld-x bullets on anything bigger than deer. We have wild boar and Black Bear, I prefer something that's tougher. I personally like Barnes and Nosler Partitions, For Bear and Hogs. With Elk, it's the same deal, usually with an elk sized game you want to roll with a heavier tough bullet. Our state of VA just started allowing hunters to hunt elk via a limited lottery system. For eastern woodlands, terrain long range for us isn't a thing. A hunter will have no problem killing an elk with a 30-06, which for woodlands range hunting is more than adequate. In the woods of VA, you can't see more than 150 yards. If you are hunting in a type of environment like me, you're 30-06 with a good 180gr Barnes TSX or Nosler Accubond or Partition is hard to beat for elk. Most folk hunt elk in western states. Ranges are longer. Don't shoot further than you are comfortable shooting. Know your limits. I can't emphasize that enough. I've worked with Hornady bullets before both SST and Eld-x. For game bullets, if you can call them that.. they are limited in what you can do with them. I've stopped using them because you don't always get that ideal broadside shot. I run mainly Partitions along with Federal fusion bullets for Whitetails these days. I still use the Eld-x for banging gongs and shooting whistle pigs and coyotes. Take it from me, choose a better bullet. There's nothing worse than having game getting away from you because of the bullet you choose to run. Don't believe the hype. Randy does an excellent job of telling the truth!
I was playing this on my phone without my ear buds in and my wife commented about how little this guy knows.
Ballistics and bullets have come a long ways in 40 year's, Randys grasp of ballistics is weak at best and obviously does not have actual experience. I test bullets for multiple companies specifically on elk. My 28 Nosler and 195 Berger hit 1000 yards with 2100 ft lbs of energy, not that its what killing them but one minute their grazzing and in 1.1 second flight time the lights are shut off, no elk running a round just one drops and the others feed off and we slip in and recover them. Thee ideal range to take elk calmly and efficently is in the 600-800 yard range. Ya, you do need to shoot a bullet that is not a ballistic brick.
I shoot how I do because its the cleanest way to kill and elk, no running around pushing elk all over the county just one clean shot and their cleanly killed, a clean ethical kill is why I don't care about the range just the best shot.
Huge Randy fan when it comes to wolves and grizz but killing elk, not so much.
These Super-duper L-O-N-G sleek high bc bullets SUCK DONEY WEENER in the woods. They Tumble very easy. -- this is one of the problems with "the magic bullet".
God bless ❤
I had a come to Jesus moment myself after making a 750 yard kill shot. 400 is my goal now. Too many things can go wrong past that.
I've taken lots of elk I'm a pretty good shot I will not shoot a elk over 400 yards..I've practiced alot out to 400..it's all the latest razzle dazzle just look how many new BLACK handguns are out every few months..
No way I'd take a shot at a game animal at distances like that. It's irresponsible, unreasonable....and unethical..
You should talk to Ron Spooner about bc bullets
At first I was like this fellow is stuck in the past. But I have been listening without comment especially on 300 prc. I now know what the problem is! People are using long range steel hitting cartridges on game. They're game rounds and hunting should be done at 300 yards or closer! Sniper rounds are made honestly for killing people.
I don't think anyone is buying a 6.5 PRC to shoot game at 1000 yards. Hunters know that theres hype and truth and its somewhere in the middle. I have 2 6.5 PRCs now havent shot the newest one yet, or hunted with the one I'm breaking in. By the numbers a factory 130 grain 6.5 mm at 3150, thats not a laughing matter at all. Thats the factory terminal ascent in my Bergara. Some rounds are close to 3200 fps. If the .264 win mag is sufficient for the range and the game...the 6.5 PRC is also. They are nearly identical.
Energy is not everything. A 2,500 pound car moving 5 mph has 2090 ft lbs kinetic energy. If that car could be elevated high enough to strike a large bull elk broad side at that velocity it might break some ribs but it’s not going to kill that elk. The average energy of a cross bow bolt could be anywhere from 100 to 150 ft lbs. Plenty energy for elk at appropriate range. 170 grain 30-30 Winchester or 200 grain 35 Remington has plenty of velocity and energy to take elk cleanly out to 200 yards. If you believe Randy those cartridges barely have enough energy to take an elk at 10 feet from the muscle. The only amount of energy required is enough to push the projectile through tissue and cause damage, hemorrhaging etc to vital organs. It’s putting a well constructed bullet at a reasonable velocity in the right spot that counts. Most folks probably can’t keep their shots in the kill zone at over 300 yards under real world hunting conditions. Cold, wind, rain, uncomfortable or awkward shooting positions, nerves (aka buck fever) all take their toll. Stop with the long range BS. Stop with the unscientific, non replicated studies BS about minimum energy requirements by two or three people over 60 years ago. Just talk to the thousands of hunters who’ve been doing it for decades at ethical distances with old cartridges that don’t have that magical minimum energy.
I killed a groundhog at 400 yards one time
i like how Randy is better than anyone and just knows how to do everything , im not a fan of long range hunting , but rifles , bullets , powder and optics have evolved so very much , plus a nosler partition bullet is so out dated , lead tips and exposed lead base and they never weight the same . CNC copper bullets do what they say and are very uniformed , and by the way velocity KILLS not energy , if that were the case a 223 couldnt kill past a foot from your muzzle , I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE .
I watch your videos and love the wealth of knowledge you bring to the table, but think sometimes your videos come off like you are just hating on any cartridge that has been introduced in the last couple decades and doesn’t have at least 100gr of case capacity. However, can’t we agree that some of the newer cartridges that you frequently reference in your videos ARE suitable for big game hunting as long as standards and ethics are taken into account (aka using proper bullets at proper ranges
Taylor knock out Formula, Nuf Said.
“1000 yards out of the box” is a company slogan like a million other companies have a slogan. It doesn’t mean you can effectively kill game at 1000yds because that’s caliber dependent, and requires a lot of practice and skill. Still most hunters are not even going to try at 1000yds regardless of who built their rifle. The slogan means you can ring a steel target at 1000yds right out of the box with custom ammo already tuned for that rifle. Other than that, I agree with you on inferior bullets, calibers with insufficient energy at certain distances, and people “pull n pray” shooting at a distance they have no business even attempting. There will always be fools in any hobby. Nothing we can do about that. However, there are a small percentage of shooters, with the right caliber, the right bullet, who know how to read wind, who can make those very long shots you complain about.
You keep telling us stories of you shooting elk at long distances. You are not the only guy that can make that shot. Do as I say not as I do. It’s amazing how you’re the only one in the world that should shoot elk at distance.
Did u listen. He doesnt think he should either.
What is enery
It's almost like energy, but the g is missing
You would have to be old enough to remember the English invasion of the early 60's rock culture.
Slang for Henry
From Cathy, The Real Gunsmith's Wife: Eye issues, but still, no excuse for my mistake. When I get back to my laptop I will remake the thumbnail.
@@TheRealGunsmith no problem , we're all just havin fun with it, we appreciate you alls content and effort very much
Alabama Ballistics has video of shooting a clay pigeon at a mile with a 300 prc, that's about the same size as a moose heart. That's like threading a needle at a mile. Anyone can find people shooting 375 cheytec and 416 Barrett at 3 and 4 miles. Technology in rifles, ammunition, scopes, and shooter skill is so far beyond this 1960s stuff it's unreal. Like cashis clay said about boxing "propeller was good for it's time, but it's the jet age". Just look at the changes in long range shooting since the turn of the century.
I’m fairly certain that your source had some excellent common sense.
Technology, probably not his forte.
The ballistics you're calling out are way off. My 7rm sends a 162 eldx at 3198 fps. Energy@600 is 2262 ftlb, @1000 1580 ft lb. It sends a 180 berger @ 2950fps. Energy @600 is 2194ftlb, @1000 1569. A 175eldx @2900 would be 2048ftlb, and 1457 @ 1000.... so im calling BS on your data!😂
Foot pounds. Lol. Some made up number someone put on paper and it's law. How funny.
Can’t seem to find these EDL bullets he talked about anywhere.
If energy is everything you are telling me my 50,400,000 grain projectile will kill elk flawlessly at 4.4fps?
I’m fairly certain that a 36 ton projectile will harvest the biggest bull elk that has ever existed.
…and I thought that there were no stupid questions.
Somehow I knew this was gonna be another bash fest by “the real gunsmith”. Stick to gunsmithing and stop talking about hunting already. It’s another tired argument saying the same thing over and over and over. I feel dumber after watching this……..you talk too much Randy. Why don’t you show us this stuff on the range for some real proof instead of blowing hot air all the time……..
Come on guys. If you don’t like it just don’t watch it. You may not agree or you may not like his presentation style but if you know guns and you watch a lot of his videos, he has a vast amount of knowledge about a lot of things.
I been having 1st hand experience with the 300 prc, and the 6.5 prc as well as the 6.5 Creedmoor, and all his talk is jibrish to me! I been doing load development and I personally wasn't behind the rifle the moment an elk was rendered! But I was helping with the DOPE!
He certainly has knowledge but cant get past his biased
I think his algebra is off. Step out back and do some real life testing, instead of talking about it. Show me, don’t tell me……..
@@rpmorrisjr I agree. I’m a hobbyist at best and this guy has a wealth of knowledge and experience that HE’S WILLING TO SHARE. I’d give anything to spend a week with him at his shop.
Out of all the rants and raves about long range and all the stories about how ethical you are and all the long range shots you have taken! Now you come out with a story about a 825yd shot on a big bull elk with a 12x scope and a guessed distance using sub tension reticle!! Hahaha come on old fella keep it real. The stories you tell about what you guys done back in the day are cool, but that was 60 years ago, all this talk about ballistics and shit it’s 2024 now mate you can literally find all the information you need for any circumstances with the simple press of a button, what you say about these companies that are selling long range rifles is 100% correct and unfortunately people buy into this shit and think they can go out and shoot long range is really unethical, I have a lot of mates that shouldn’t shoot past 300yds, the biggest problem is people don’t practice enough with there equipment and get real world data, that is the biggest problem!
I am man enough to admit that I made that shot, decades ago, and then admit it was then that I realized that it was not the thing to do.
How many people put their mistakes, and admit them, out for the public to hiss on?
And gadgetry doesn't make a hunter. Even when used a person should know how to, literally, hunt. Not snipe, not rely on "just" gadgets, but on skill to hunt.
Disgruntled old man that is ignoring current ballistic data. No one should shoot at game over 750 yds imo. 500 yd is my max and I love my 7 PRC and it’s performance at my comfortable range.
Randy the first thing to learn about energy is to learn how to spell the word correctly .
It's not Randy, it's Cathy. Eye issues, but no excuse for me not double checking. When I am back on my laptop I will redo the thumbnail. Thanks for so kindly ;) bringing this to my attention.
Thank you your a good wife to help randy
It's You're not "your". I just love when people who cannot spell correctly fault others for their mistakes.@@braddhancock6192
Randy ,at 65 - I absolutely agree with you. But, younger “ hunters “ think that the gun - will do the shooting for them ! (Bunch of B.S. ) . Best Regards- Jim Beck , Pincher Creek, Alberta.
I believe alot of what keeps most people from using the nosler bullets is the price of there bullets!! There ABLR Accubond partiton and Etip are all over a dollar a bullet even for the small .22 cal bullets in the partiton!! You can buy the Hornady SST GMX now CX and there interlock for less than a dollar a bullet closer to 60 cents for some of those bullets Barnes bullets can be bought for less than a dollar a bullet Sierra and speer also offer bullets that are affordable!! If you going to be trying to shoot game at 4 or 500 yards you need to shoot your gun a lot to get good enough with that rifle to take those shots and if your going to shoot a lot with a hunting bullet to get ready for those shots no one wants to pay nosler prices to do all that shooting when they can buy a cheaper game bullet!! This is why Hornady ELD-X is so popular you can get 100 .30 cal eldx for less than you would pay for 50 partitions in the same .30 cal!! Look at any store sells reloading components 90% of the Hornady line of bullets is on the shelf in stock Barnes are on the shelf the rest of the brands are hit and miss. It makes it hard to shoot a rifle you can only find the bullets your shooting one or two times a year like you would if you were shooting nosler bullets!! I used to shoot noting but nosler bullets in all my rifles but they can’t keep up with demand. I like to shoot all year round and I have to shoot a bullet I can get any time I need them and are affordable enough to shoot and practice with so I don’t use nosler anymore!! I shoot barnes and Hornady interlock now!!