I'm sure it's for licensing reasons. Konami probably didn't want to pay for or bother contacting each manufacturer to get permission to use the real life names. The cost and time associated with getting permission to use the names is why you see a lot of low budget or indie titles come up with different names for weapons featured.
On the other hand, there are a lot of smaller budget game that do in fact feature real gun names, like Insurgency Sandstorm Though, considering that MGS devs are located in Japan, it's probably much harder to license it there
With a honeybee being a placeholder for the stinger, but they can get the licensing for true-to-life contemporary music, budget constraints probably played into all of it. Cheap-ass bastards.
my theory is that its because mother base is almost completely self sustainable. its probably really easy for the r&d team to copy firearm designs as a private military company/ independent state and then tweak them a little in order to better suit their uses, while keeping your conventional rounds. gun companies are licensed to a lot of countries in real life which in essence means they probably couldnt have bought weapons from companies who already have deals struck, and mother base probably wouldnt wanna buy guns made of questionable quality smuggled from 3rd world or developing countries. what are gun designers/manufacturers gonna do? take big boss out with a clone? thats completely obsurd.
I did not expect someone would come up with an in-universe explanation for the fake guns and that it would actually make some form of sense, great video. I'm also crossing my fingers for MGS4 to be in the vol. 2 lol, it's the only MGS game I've never played, I also hope they'll put peace walker and portable ops in the collection too
If I recall correctly, it was because at the time MSGV was being made the video game industry(or at least Japanese developers) as a whole tried to move to using fictional guns for political reasons since mass shootings were a hot button issue at the time. The customization system probably also played a role in their decision as well.
Vemon snake is oh ways suffering from weird side effects, his POV is so twisted and mess up beyond belief that he cannot differ from what is real or fake. But its fits the themes with the game
Given the other little details that the game sprinkles in, you are actively using the most crackhouse theories of this game to explain some licensing issues, but… You aren’t wrong. That’s the beauty of this game: This interpretation you have presented serves as a legitimately viable explanation for this phenomena that, while it’s likely not everyone will agree with, isn’t very simple to just refute on the grand scheme. That, and I really wouldn’t past Kojima to have ran with the limited licensing issues and expound on them in his naturally crack addict way that he normally does.
One of the first posters for MGSV: Ground Zeroes was mirrored and had a caption saying that it was mirrored for a "special reason". Mirrored texts appear in Paz's room, and it is worth noting that her room is a hallucination. Therefore, MGSV: GZ could also be a hallucination. Additionally, Miller says he didn't know Paz was a spy, whereas in MGS:PW he directly tells Big Boss that he knew she was a spy from the beginning. Also considering the fact that Ocelot says that manipulating memories is not something new in his line of work, it is also possible to assume that MGS: GZ is a hallucination or memory meticulously manipulated by Ocelot. If GZ and TPP are hallucinations at different times or even at the same time, then so are the weapons.
This is something I was gonna bring up. The inconsistencies with GZ's lines, the flipped poster, Phantom Pain opens up with a direct invitation to interpret it, you really could go on. It's a clever way to get out of licensing real guns that fits into the game's story well lol. I don't think Kojima would've been willing to go with fake guns otherwise tbh
I mean its simple. Fake guns means fake parts and ways to make sure they all mesh with no issue. Remake of 3 isn't using fake cuz you don't break the guns apart and shove AK barrels on M4s and the like.
Licensing is definitely the main reason. I do get the feeling Metal Gear Rising (my beloved) opened Pandora's Box for it since that was the first time they completely forgo real weapons and created "OC Donut steel" weapons instead.
It's not just the weapons, but the vehicles are fake, too. It's the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and there's not a single Hind-D in sight. My headcanon explains it like this: MGSV and Ground Zeroes takes place in an alternate timeline/dimension like Metal Gear Survive. Why? Because the story is hot garbage, unfinished and doesn't deserve to be placed shoulder to shoulder with the other Metal Gear games.
Se resume muy simple: -Konami estaba en problemas con Kojima así que la empresa no iba a desperdiciar más dinero con licencias ya que el desarrollo de juego ya estaba llevando demasiado.
holy shit, you cracked the case! 😆well, of course, metal gear lore is a lot of inconsistent nonsense, but we love it all the same... 😏but your point about Ground Zeroes being a hallucination by Venom is actually very credible - otherwise why does it say "pseudo-historical recreation" at the beginning of every GZ mission, huh? it's all in Venom's head....🤯 (edit: wait... it's only the Side Ops and not the main mission, oh well....)
I’m pretty sure MGSV: GROUND ZEROES, the whole game, isn’t exactly what happened at camp omega, someone must’ve tweaked some little details, but the major events like Chico spazing out and paz’s bomb are real, just some of the little details are tweaked to fit what venom snake would potentially go through, like the fake gun names are in ground zeroes so that he would interpret those guns he finds in the phantom pain like the ones in ground zeroes. It would also make sense why he would hallucinate fake guns and their respective fake name.
Всё верно, фейковое (выдуманное) оружие это часть отраженных воспоминаний "Биг Босса", дополнительный элемент показывающий нереальность происходящего: что-то было, чего-то вообще не было, что-то приукрашено, додумано рассказчиком. В отличие от всех частей МГС V не номерная часть, это именно что V. Вся игра это рассказ двойника про то как он Биг Босса играл. Не совсем правдивый рассказ, не совсем полный рассказ.
Tornado-6. Described as "Ocelot's choice of Revolver" ...any Day one metal gear fan would know that's complete horseshit. They didn't even make it look like a Colt SAA. It looks more like a Mateba. So...he famously carries an iconic American revolver because he's "not cut out for an automatic in the first place", and in the 80s he switches to an obscure, italian "Semi-Automatic Revolver"? (yes apparently a Mateba is a semi automatic revolver, a rare thing) Then there's The Adam-Skaa: an *engraved* semi-automatic handgun. Its function and parts are shown in close-up detail when Ocelot trains the Diamond Dogs. He clears a stovepipe jam, removes the magazine, and even says, "That's an automatic." Remarking how the *engravings offer no tactical advantage whatsoever* . Yet this weapon is described as a "Revolver" in the UI? I would like dearly to believe the fictionalized weapons serve no purpose other than saving money on licensing, but as a die hard MGS fan, it comes off as another unnerving sign, among many, that something is seriously 'off' here. My theory is that its not so much a hallucination but more so a product of Venom Snake's brainwashing. He's been conditioned to perceive commonly used firearms and their components as having entirely different appearances and names. In his mind, AK-47 has always been SVG-67. In the event he is unfit in his role as Big Boss, his conditioning can be undone by a code phrase, and his perception of weaponry will revert back to their real life counterparts, but he will be unable to operate them without re-learning everything, intended as a countermeasure.
"We need your shittiest take"
"..."
"No, that's too shitty"
If you play on PC, theres a mod pack that uses real gun models icons and names for all the guns
I always wanted a Fallout 4 mod that adds the MGS V weapons and their attachments. They would be lore friendly for Fallout.
I'm sure it's for licensing reasons. Konami probably didn't want to pay for or bother contacting each manufacturer to get permission to use the real life names. The cost and time associated with getting permission to use the names is why you see a lot of low budget or indie titles come up with different names for weapons featured.
It's 100% licensing.
Yes
On the other hand, there are a lot of smaller budget game that do in fact feature real gun names, like Insurgency Sandstorm
Though, considering that MGS devs are located in Japan, it's probably much harder to license it there
With a honeybee being a placeholder for the stinger, but they can get the licensing for true-to-life contemporary music, budget constraints probably played into all of it. Cheap-ass bastards.
@@a1337turtle If it was "100% licensing" then why spend a lot of time and money to design complete fantasy weapons instead of just changing the names?
my theory is that its because mother base is almost completely self sustainable. its probably really easy for the r&d team to copy firearm designs as a private military company/ independent state and then tweak them a little in order to better suit their uses, while keeping your conventional rounds. gun companies are licensed to a lot of countries in real life which in essence means they probably couldnt have bought weapons from companies who already have deals struck, and mother base probably wouldnt wanna buy guns made of questionable quality smuggled from 3rd world or developing countries. what are gun designers/manufacturers gonna do? take big boss out with a clone? thats completely obsurd.
Yeah I’ve heard this one said a couple times and yeah it’s works if you wanna fill it in with some sort of canon
@venomshake8187 it's not perfect but mgs really only has a handful of retcons so it's not so bad
then why the soviet army uses weapon made by this rogue private military state?
Cooking with this schizo lore!
I did not expect someone would come up with an in-universe explanation for the fake guns and that it would actually make some form of sense, great video. I'm also crossing my fingers for MGS4 to be in the vol. 2 lol, it's the only MGS game I've never played, I also hope they'll put peace walker and portable ops in the collection too
If I recall correctly, it was because at the time MSGV was being made the video game industry(or at least Japanese developers) as a whole tried to move to using fictional guns for political reasons since mass shootings were a hot button issue at the time. The customization system probably also played a role in their decision as well.
It's 100% the customization, none of these guns would need a license to put in the game since they use the military designation
Vemon snake is oh ways suffering from weird side effects, his POV is so twisted and mess up beyond belief that he cannot differ from what is real or fake.
But its fits the themes with the game
Because the guns were the real phantoms all along?
Given the other little details that the game sprinkles in, you are actively using the most crackhouse theories of this game to explain some licensing issues, but…
You aren’t wrong. That’s the beauty of this game: This interpretation you have presented serves as a legitimately viable explanation for this phenomena that, while it’s likely not everyone will agree with, isn’t very simple to just refute on the grand scheme. That, and I really wouldn’t past Kojima to have ran with the limited licensing issues and expound on them in his naturally crack addict way that he normally does.
probably because of the licenses for the 80s songs
One of the first posters for MGSV: Ground Zeroes was mirrored and had a caption saying that it was mirrored for a "special reason". Mirrored texts appear in Paz's room, and it is worth noting that her room is a hallucination. Therefore, MGSV: GZ could also be a hallucination. Additionally, Miller says he didn't know Paz was a spy, whereas in MGS:PW he directly tells Big Boss that he knew she was a spy from the beginning. Also considering the fact that Ocelot says that manipulating memories is not something new in his line of work, it is also possible to assume that MGS: GZ is a hallucination or memory meticulously manipulated by Ocelot. If GZ and TPP are hallucinations at different times or even at the same time, then so are the weapons.
This is something I was gonna bring up. The inconsistencies with GZ's lines, the flipped poster, Phantom Pain opens up with a direct invitation to interpret it, you really could go on. It's a clever way to get out of licensing real guns that fits into the game's story well lol. I don't think Kojima would've been willing to go with fake guns otherwise tbh
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I believe it is to conform with the customization system, allowing every part of every gun of each type to mix together well.
copyrights so they don't have to pay people
I mean its simple. Fake guns means fake parts and ways to make sure they all mesh with no issue. Remake of 3 isn't using fake cuz you don't break the guns apart and shove AK barrels on M4s and the like.
most normal take on r/NeverBeGameOver belike:
in zero you re not playing big boss
Licensing is definitely the main reason. I do get the feeling Metal Gear Rising (my beloved) opened Pandora's Box for it since that was the first time they completely forgo real weapons and created "OC Donut steel" weapons instead.
They literally have RPGs
It's not just the weapons, but the vehicles are fake, too. It's the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and there's not a single Hind-D in sight.
My headcanon explains it like this: MGSV and Ground Zeroes takes place in an alternate timeline/dimension like Metal Gear Survive. Why? Because the story is hot garbage, unfinished and doesn't deserve to be placed shoulder to shoulder with the other Metal Gear games.
Because Diamond Dogs make its own weapons...
Se resume muy simple:
-Konami estaba en problemas con Kojima así que la empresa no iba a desperdiciar más dinero con licencias ya que el desarrollo de juego ya estaba llevando demasiado.
holy shit, you cracked the case! 😆well, of course, metal gear lore is a lot of inconsistent nonsense, but we love it all the same... 😏but your point about Ground Zeroes being a hallucination by Venom is actually very credible - otherwise why does it say "pseudo-historical recreation" at the beginning of every GZ mission, huh? it's all in Venom's head....🤯 (edit: wait... it's only the Side Ops and not the main mission, oh well....)
Really interesting and fun video, keep it up!
I’m pretty sure MGSV: GROUND ZEROES, the whole game, isn’t exactly what happened at camp omega, someone must’ve tweaked some little details, but the major events like Chico spazing out and paz’s bomb are real, just some of the little details are tweaked to fit what venom snake would potentially go through, like the fake gun names are in ground zeroes so that he would interpret those guns he finds in the phantom pain like the ones in ground zeroes. It would also make sense why he would hallucinate fake guns and their respective fake name.
Всё верно, фейковое (выдуманное) оружие это часть отраженных воспоминаний "Биг Босса", дополнительный элемент показывающий нереальность происходящего: что-то было, чего-то вообще не было, что-то приукрашено, додумано рассказчиком. В отличие от всех частей МГС V не номерная часть, это именно что V. Вся игра это рассказ двойника про то как он Биг Босса играл. Не совсем правдивый рассказ, не совсем полный рассказ.
Tornado-6. Described as "Ocelot's choice of Revolver" ...any Day one metal gear fan would know that's complete horseshit. They didn't even make it look like a Colt SAA. It looks more like a Mateba.
So...he famously carries an iconic American revolver because he's "not cut out for an automatic in the first place", and in the 80s he switches to an obscure, italian "Semi-Automatic Revolver"? (yes apparently a Mateba is a semi automatic revolver, a rare thing)
Then there's The Adam-Skaa: an *engraved* semi-automatic handgun. Its function and parts are shown in close-up detail when Ocelot trains the Diamond Dogs.
He clears a stovepipe jam, removes the magazine, and even says, "That's an automatic." Remarking how the *engravings offer no tactical advantage whatsoever* .
Yet this weapon is described as a "Revolver" in the UI?
I would like dearly to believe the fictionalized weapons serve no purpose other than saving money on licensing, but as a die hard MGS fan, it comes off as another unnerving sign, among many, that something is seriously 'off' here.
My theory is that its not so much a hallucination but more so a product of Venom Snake's brainwashing. He's been conditioned to perceive commonly used firearms and their components as having entirely different appearances and names. In his mind, AK-47 has always been SVG-67. In the event he is unfit in his role as Big Boss, his conditioning can be undone by a code phrase, and his perception of weaponry will revert back to their real life counterparts, but he will be unable to operate them without re-learning everything, intended as a countermeasure.
I like to think MGSV is Venom Snake remembering everything he's been through while dying from Solid Snake in Outer Heaven