Thank you James, a very helpful video - Your new system sounds very much like what I'm running - the 4060 works for me and keeps me at about 50 fps, with two monitors at 1440. Let's put it this way, it is better than my wifi connection. I did replace my old CAT5 cable with a CAT6 which made a benefit in achieving greater bandwidth. Congratulation on your new addition. See you in the air!
Great new rig Mr. Huddison. I will personally go for Ryzen 7 7600, the prices must go down because of the newest gen Ryzen 7 9xxx. If I'm on a budget I will get some of the AMDs GRE edition cards, somewhere near the RTX4070 at much lower price.
Thank you so much for this! I’ve been struggling over whether to replace my Xbox X with a pc for months but as my budget is only around £1000, I haven’t taken the plunge - thinking that whatever I bought wouldn’t be up to the job. I think I’m one step closer now! Mind you, I haven’t owned a pc for 25+ years and seem to remember spending more time dealing with problems than actually enjoying using it so it does scare me a bit!
The PC I got from AWD-It was pretty much set up ready to go; even though I didn't specify an operating system, it came with Windows 11 ready for me to install - I just paid less than £5 for a key for it.
i’ve never struggled more to get a stable frame rate with any other game/sim as much as i have with msfs. i’m hoping the technology improvements they talk about with msfs24 come true. i have a pretty decent system and i still struggle at times, but i do generally fly the gps hungry airliners and i’ll have pacx, navigraph, batc, gsx and others open at the same time! thanks for the video, i always enjoy your content.
The performance already looks super smooth! Happy that you’ve upgraded and I’m sure you’ll have a blast now. You’ll probably be able to get about 70-80 when MSFS 2024 with the performance improvements!
Thanks for posting this Huddison, it gives me food for thought (since mt last rant!) It just shows that you don't need to sell a kidney to buy a decent spec PC for MSFS2020/24
Back in the day, I happily ran flight simulator on PC. For various reasons, I bought an Xbox 'S' for 2020. Now I'm finding that too often the 'S' isn't up to the standard I want, so I'm thinking about either an 'X' or a reasonably priced new PC (desktop or laptop).
@@Huddison it was Grand well 4 years for the next Summer games cause we alll know that Canada kicks butt for the winter one the UK best start practing now lol
Great video thank you. I went all out with my build and have since doubled the RAM to 64GB. Also added another SSD in preparation for FS2024. It’s amazing the performance you are getting with the budget price. I see you have the same muddy look under all the bridges in London too. I wondered if that was a bug with ORBX clashing with the new update.
Excellent video. I plan on purchasing a new PC coincidental with the release of MSFS 2024. Current PC was purchased when MSFS 2020 was released and performance has seemed to continually degrade with each and every SIM and /or World update. Your new hardware and tweaked graphic settings certainly appears to be more than capable of handling the current demands of the sim and you didn't have to rob a bank to purchase it 🙂
That's a nice upgrade. I know everyone is FPS crazy these days, but I'm of the opinion that a flight sim looks fine with 30fps. Good luck with the new rig!
What I've been playing isn't much better than what you've been playing on. R7 1800X, GTX 1080ti, 32gb ram. However, I did spend that fortune you speak of, and it's all in boxes in my living room. I know, I need to get on it. I was going to go through a builder site, but after picking my parts I couldn't believe where I was at and that was just on parts. On parts alone iBuyPower wanted $4,700 dollars, and that doesn't include building it, just the parts. So, I went to amazon to check on the prices there and the same parts would have only cost me $3,100. So, I decided to build it myself and even upgrade my gpu from my original build. I even paid $1,000 dollars on a new monitor. Not bragging, just excited, for me and for you. I've watched you for a long time and have watched those choppy graphics, but we've always enjoyed your company. I'm not going to bore you with my parts list, and many wouldn't have their drool towel handy anyway. Absolutely wonderful upgrade!
Well now, you're going to have to disclose your new purchase; either here or in our discord. The GTX 1080Ti is such a banger GPU - you should still get a pretty penny for that.
@@Huddison okay, be sure to have your drool towel ready. Motherboard: Asus Rog Strix B650E-E gaming Wifi CPU: R7 7800X3D (currently the fastest gaming cpu on the market) GPU: Gigabyte RTX 4080 Super Ram: 64gb (2X32) Corsair Dominator Titanium RGB 6000+mhz cl30 Storage: (2X) 4tb Samsung 990 Pro nVme M.2 Cooling: NZXT Kraken Elite 360 Aio RGB, and added (2X) Lian Li ARGB 140mm reverse fans to bottom of case for added flow to the gpu Psu: be Quiet 1000watt 80plus Platinum Gen 5. modular Case: Lian Li Lancool 216 mesh (Black) RGB (case comes with (2X) 160mm fans in front and 140mm exhaust.) Monitor: LG UltraGear OLED 39inch Curved 3440X1440 240hz .03 refresh rate. I hope you had your drool towel ready, I still regularly have to wipe my chin. If you didn't, get a mop. I've just been afraid to build it, and been watching videos.
Excellent video👍 I’m currently in the process of wanting to move over from Xbox series X to a PC which I’m looking to build up myself purely for flight simming. This video has got me thinking now if I really need a PC spec costing the best part of £2k as your video and sim looks amazing at well over half the money I’m thinking of spending. I’d be interested to see how it performs at a busy add on airport loading in airport vehicles etc. At the moment on the Xbox with SU15 it’s dreadful as items are not loading in until your right upon them🙁
Glad to see you got a significant improvement in performance for the "Budget Build" 👍. I've always wondered if your Huddison C 182 RG Livery is available anywhere. 🤔
With my job I sit in front of my multi screen system in the home office or in 'the office' managing projects, building new tools and presentations with excel and power point etc. I'm actually the go to guy in the office if anyone is having any technical issues with their system. Believe me, the last thing I want to do at the end of the day is switch on another bloody PC to do what I love doing the most. For me a PC is work, my gaming consoles (my PS5, XSX, Switch, Mega Drive, Astro City) are total pure escapism. Now, that isn't a rant but my reaction to friends in the past has been quite funny apparently. "You need an gaming PC.", "The last thing I want to do is spend another 5 hours sat in front of a PC at the end of a working day, it's like asking someone who works at Dominos if they want Pizza for their fecking tea!" Lol.
nice pc glad its what you hoped for but for me am happy with my x for flight sim ok i know ill never get free stuff but i can live with that and i really havent got the room for a pc as i live in a small flat so my x is good enuff for me
Ah I'm delighted for you. I recently upgraded my PC too, so I know exactly how you must be feeling about it. Best of luck with it dude! Also, I'm interested to hear that you got a VR headset. What did you go for? I had an old Oculus Quest 2, but just last weekend I broke the bank and ordered a Pimax Crystal Light lol
@@Huddison Well if it's the former, I got a lot of milage out of it. It's an awesome unit with fantastic standalone capabilities. Only reason I upgraded was because I wanted better resolution and, to maximise the resources of my new PC. If it's the latter, I can't comment yet. Pimax reckon 4-5 weeks before it arrives 😭😭
I'm considering a new PC mainly for MSFS in the next year. I usually upgrade every 3 wars or so. Playing on a 2 year old 3070/R7-3700/32Gb right now and it's ok for what I usually do, but tried flying around Cardiff last week and it was unplayable. I also use VR on low settings and it's OK but a little bit jerky.
@@Huddison I'm going to try dropping down to 1080p from 1440. The frame rate was playable (but no more than about 25fps), but the stuttering (or full on three second pauses to be more accurate) was ridiculous when flying over Cardiff.
Love the video, a descent PC on a budget like you said for those maybe wanting to make the move from XBOX 👍, i just have one question, how did you manage to get frame generation working without DX12 enabled?
have been playing around with the setting for a good few hours and the only way i can get frame gen working is by activating DX12, so not sure how you have managed to do it but fair play :)
I want to get a stronger gaming pc machine for VR, probably the Meta Quest 3. I hear once you try VR you wont go back. But do you ever get over the novelty of VR?
I was an early adopter of VR and although I'm not as enthusiastic about it nowadays, I still enjoy jumping back into it (on special occasions). You might be best loaning or trying a headset first before going to any major expense.
Great video, thank you. I have almost decided to follow your path but my internet is only 17 mbits/sec and although I'm runng MSFS 2020 on my old pc it would take an age putting about 200 GB on the new pc, UNLESS there's a quicker way. Can you help please?
The only possible hope I can offer is that my same internet was slow on my old PC, but super fast (especially when downloading the SIm & Updates) on my new PC. Your old PC may have slower internet speeds in itself.
@@Huddison Thank you. My Broadband is changing to fibre one day-until then I suffer. I did find a utube vid which almost cuts out the internet-I'l try that when moving 2020 to new pc. Thanks Again
What nvidia graphics driver version are you running? I was surprised to see you can enable FrameGen in DX11. I thought FrameGen only worked in DX12. I have nvidia driver 551.86. I have the same MSI RTX4060 Ventus gpu. i5-9400/H310m, DX12, DLSS with FrameGen. 1080p. Only other difference is I am running Windows 10, not 11.
@@Huddison I just realised you mentioned MSI afterburner is confusingly reporting you are using DX12. I think your MSFS is using DX12, and I wonder whether you changed the setting to DX11 but did not restart MSFS for DX11 to take effect, while you were filming the video? I googled and could not find anything more recent to suggest DLSS FG is now working in DX11 on RTX 40 series cards for MSFS. I couldn't enable FG with latest July 2024 560.70 driver with DX11.
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Thank you James, a very helpful video - Your new system sounds very much like what I'm running - the 4060 works for me and keeps me at about 50 fps, with two monitors at 1440. Let's put it this way, it is better than my wifi connection. I did replace my old CAT5 cable with a CAT6 which made a benefit in achieving greater bandwidth. Congratulation on your new addition. See you in the air!
The 4060's performance has surprised me so far and my internet is great with this new PC.
Great new rig Mr. Huddison. I will personally go for Ryzen 7 7600, the prices must go down because of the newest gen Ryzen 7 9xxx. If I'm on a budget I will get some of the AMDs GRE edition cards, somewhere near the RTX4070 at much lower price.
That sounds like a great rig/setup to go for.
Thank you so much for this! I’ve been struggling over whether to replace my Xbox X with a pc for months but as my budget is only around £1000, I haven’t taken the plunge - thinking that whatever I bought wouldn’t be up to the job. I think I’m one step closer now! Mind you, I haven’t owned a pc for 25+ years and seem to remember spending more time dealing with problems than actually enjoying using it so it does scare me a bit!
The PC I got from AWD-It was pretty much set up ready to go; even though I didn't specify an operating system, it came with Windows 11 ready for me to install - I just paid less than £5 for a key for it.
i’ve never struggled more to get a stable frame rate with any other game/sim as much as i have with msfs. i’m hoping the technology improvements they talk about with msfs24 come true. i have a pretty decent system and i still struggle at times, but i do generally fly the gps hungry airliners and i’ll have pacx, navigraph, batc, gsx and others open at the same time!
thanks for the video, i always enjoy your content.
Thanks my friend. Let's hope FS2024 delivers what it's promising to.
The performance already looks super smooth! Happy that you’ve upgraded and I’m sure you’ll have a blast now. You’ll probably be able to get about 70-80 when MSFS 2024 with the performance improvements!
I reckon so Soup. In other games, this setup rocks ✌️
@@Huddison Awesome! All you can do from here is upgrade even improving it further in the future, that’s the great thing about pc
100% mate. First thing is 1-2 TB M.2, then maybe a CPU upgrade
Very helpful this. I'm looking at getting a new PC very soon in preparation for MSFS2024. Will give the guys at AWD-IT a look.
I recommend them; very helpful from my experience.
@@Huddison Yes I'm trawling through their site now and might've just found what I'm looking for :)
Thanks for posting this Huddison, it gives me food for thought (since mt last rant!) It just shows that you don't need to sell a kidney to buy a decent spec PC for MSFS2020/24
Yes, research and you'll find a PC within your needs
Very nice! And it's really encouraging to see that sort of performance at that price point. Thank-you.
You seem to be my target audience
Back in the day, I happily ran flight simulator on PC. For various reasons, I bought an Xbox 'S' for 2020. Now I'm finding that too often the 'S' isn't up to the standard I want, so I'm thinking about either an 'X' or a reasonably priced new PC (desktop or laptop).
This is a great video delivered in an honest style. Thanks very much! The vr dabble sounds intriguing too...
VR video hopefully soon.
GOOD JOB BRAVO for Team GB in the Olympics
You know Mike, I never even watched a single moment of it this time around; I'm usually a fanatical viewer of it.
@@Huddison it was Grand well 4 years for the next Summer games cause we alll know that Canada kicks butt for the winter one the UK best start practing now lol
Great video thank you. I went all out with my build and have since doubled the RAM to 64GB. Also added another SSD in preparation for FS2024. It’s amazing the performance you are getting with the budget price.
I see you have the same muddy look under all the bridges in London too. I wondered if that was a bug with ORBX clashing with the new update.
I believe the muddy look under bridges was a result of WU 17; confident they'll fix it.
Excellent video. I plan on purchasing a new PC coincidental with the release of MSFS 2024. Current PC was purchased when MSFS 2020 was released and performance has seemed to continually degrade with each and every SIM and /or World update. Your new hardware and tweaked graphic settings certainly appears to be more than capable of handling the current demands of the sim and you didn't have to rob a bank to purchase it 🙂
I'm chuffed atm; as time goes on, limitations may crop up ofc.
Your quality always looks good 👍 thank you 👍
Thanks appreciated.
That's a nice upgrade.
I know everyone is FPS crazy these days, but I'm of the opinion that a flight sim looks fine with 30fps.
Good luck with the new rig!
30 FPS is good and always have been since FS 2004. It does feel more smother now though.
for me, it’s the dips when panning the camera that are the most jarring even when above 30fps
What I've been playing isn't much better than what you've been playing on. R7 1800X, GTX 1080ti, 32gb ram. However, I did spend that fortune you speak of, and it's all in boxes in my living room. I know, I need to get on it. I was going to go through a builder site, but after picking my parts I couldn't believe where I was at and that was just on parts. On parts alone iBuyPower wanted $4,700 dollars, and that doesn't include building it, just the parts. So, I went to amazon to check on the prices there and the same parts would have only cost me $3,100. So, I decided to build it myself and even upgrade my gpu from my original build. I even paid $1,000 dollars on a new monitor. Not bragging, just excited, for me and for you. I've watched you for a long time and have watched those choppy graphics, but we've always enjoyed your company.
I'm not going to bore you with my parts list, and many wouldn't have their drool towel handy anyway.
Absolutely wonderful upgrade!
Well now, you're going to have to disclose your new purchase; either here or in our discord.
The GTX 1080Ti is such a banger GPU - you should still get a pretty penny for that.
@@Huddison okay, be sure to have your drool towel ready.
Motherboard: Asus Rog Strix B650E-E gaming Wifi
CPU: R7 7800X3D (currently the fastest gaming cpu on the market)
GPU: Gigabyte RTX 4080 Super
Ram: 64gb (2X32) Corsair Dominator Titanium RGB 6000+mhz cl30
Storage: (2X) 4tb Samsung 990 Pro nVme M.2
Cooling: NZXT Kraken Elite 360 Aio RGB, and added (2X) Lian Li ARGB 140mm reverse fans to bottom of case for added flow to the gpu
Psu: be Quiet 1000watt 80plus Platinum Gen 5. modular
Case: Lian Li Lancool 216 mesh (Black) RGB (case comes with (2X) 160mm fans in front and 140mm exhaust.)
Monitor: LG UltraGear OLED 39inch Curved 3440X1440 240hz .03 refresh rate.
I hope you had your drool towel ready, I still regularly have to wipe my chin. If you didn't, get a mop.
I've just been afraid to build it, and been watching videos.
Get out of there! Post your performance in our Discord please (link in description).
Excellent video👍 I’m currently in the process of wanting to move over from Xbox series X to a PC which I’m looking to build up myself purely for flight simming. This video has got me thinking now if I really need a PC spec costing the best part of £2k as your video and sim looks amazing at well over half the money I’m thinking of spending. I’d be interested to see how it performs at a busy add on airport loading in airport vehicles etc. At the moment on the Xbox with SU15 it’s dreadful as items are not loading in until your right upon them🙁
I you were to go say to the £1,000 price point, you could get a 4070 GPU with a faster processor; somewhat future proofing yourself.
Glad to see you got a significant improvement in performance for the "Budget Build" 👍. I've always wondered if your Huddison C 182 RG Livery is available anywhere. 🤔
It's in our Discord
@@Huddison Thank you.
With my job I sit in front of my multi screen system in the home office or in 'the office' managing projects, building new tools and presentations with excel and power point etc. I'm actually the go to guy in the office if anyone is having any technical issues with their system. Believe me, the last thing I want to do at the end of the day is switch on another bloody PC to do what I love doing the most. For me a PC is work, my gaming consoles (my PS5, XSX, Switch, Mega Drive, Astro City) are total pure escapism.
Now, that isn't a rant but my reaction to friends in the past has been quite funny apparently. "You need an gaming PC.", "The last thing I want to do is spend another 5 hours sat in front of a PC at the end of a working day, it's like asking someone who works at Dominos if they want Pizza for their fecking tea!" Lol.
Thanks for sharing; that's an interesting perspective.
Thank you for your advice... Roger
Thanks Roger.
Nice, people can comment and are welcome to. But you got what you wanted to and could afford. Congratulations
That was my aim and I'm happy with it ;)
You can generally check the performance at 1440p. Just set the render scaling to 140. (:
Then it's fine ;)
Hi Mr. Huddison...have you reviewed this interesting item yet? Cheap for performance~! Lossless Scaling Frame Gen | MSFS 2020
I should properly review it.
nice pc glad its what you hoped for but for me am happy with my x for flight sim ok i know ill never get free stuff but i can live with that and i really havent got the room for a pc as i live in a small flat so my x is good enuff for me
The Series X will be rocking FS2020 and FS2024 I reckon.
It's definitely DX12 if you can turn on the frame generation. (:
Ah I'm delighted for you. I recently upgraded my PC too, so I know exactly how you must be feeling about it. Best of luck with it dude!
Also, I'm interested to hear that you got a VR headset. What did you go for? I had an old Oculus Quest 2, but just last weekend I broke the bank and ordered a Pimax Crystal Light lol
It may be one of those 2 you mentioned ;)
@@Huddison Well if it's the former, I got a lot of milage out of it. It's an awesome unit with fantastic standalone capabilities. Only reason I upgraded was because I wanted better resolution and, to maximise the resources of my new PC. If it's the latter, I can't comment yet. Pimax reckon 4-5 weeks before it arrives 😭😭
@@musefan12345 It's the later ;)
@@Huddison Awesome! Can't wait to see your vid on it. Hope mine arrives soon.
Mine runs not bad, used fir $100. Looking forward to a unit to run VR someday😅
What a bargain.
I'm considering a new PC mainly for MSFS in the next year. I usually upgrade every 3 wars or so. Playing on a 2 year old 3070/R7-3700/32Gb right now and it's ok for what I usually do, but tried flying around Cardiff last week and it was unplayable. I also use VR on low settings and it's OK but a little bit jerky.
I would've thought that you'd get better performance with that setup.
@@Huddison I'm going to try dropping down to 1080p from 1440. The frame rate was playable (but no more than about 25fps), but the stuttering (or full on three second pauses to be more accurate) was ridiculous when flying over Cardiff.
Love the video, a descent PC on a budget like you said for those maybe wanting to make the move from XBOX 👍, i just have one question, how did you manage to get frame generation working without DX12 enabled?
I believe you just need HAGS enabled for Frame Gen.
@@Huddison from what i can make out that is already enabled but the frame gen is still grayed out in MSFS
have been playing around with the setting for a good few hours and the only way i can get frame gen working is by activating DX12, so not sure how you have managed to do it but fair play :)
@@davescott5807 It's in DX 12 now.
I want to get a stronger gaming pc machine for VR, probably the Meta Quest 3. I hear once you try VR you wont go back. But do you ever get over the novelty of VR?
I was an early adopter of VR and although I'm not as enthusiastic about it nowadays, I still enjoy jumping back into it (on special occasions).
You might be best loaning or trying a headset first before going to any major expense.
Great video, thank you.
I have almost decided to follow your path but my internet is only 17 mbits/sec and although I'm runng MSFS 2020 on my old pc it would take an age putting about 200 GB on the new pc, UNLESS there's a quicker way. Can you help please?
The only possible hope I can offer is that my same internet was slow on my old PC, but super fast (especially when downloading the SIm & Updates) on my new PC.
Your old PC may have slower internet speeds in itself.
@@Huddison Thank you. My Broadband is changing to fibre one day-until then I suffer. I did find a utube vid which almost cuts out the internet-I'l try that when moving 2020 to new pc. Thanks Again
What nvidia graphics driver version are you running? I was surprised to see you can enable FrameGen in DX11. I thought FrameGen only worked in DX12. I have nvidia driver 551.86.
I have the same MSI RTX4060 Ventus gpu. i5-9400/H310m, DX12, DLSS with FrameGen. 1080p. Only other difference is I am running Windows 10, not 11.
The latest release.
@@Huddison I just realised you mentioned MSI afterburner is confusingly reporting you are using DX12.
I think your MSFS is using DX12, and I wonder whether you changed the setting to DX11 but did not restart MSFS for DX11 to take effect, while you were filming the video?
I googled and could not find anything more recent to suggest DLSS FG is now working in DX11 on RTX 40 series cards for MSFS. I couldn't enable FG with latest July 2024 560.70 driver with DX11.
@@bxl181 I'll have to double check; I did start MSFS in DX 11 though
How does the quality compare with your x box. Cheers.
I only have the Series S, so this is much higher quality.
Good to know. Good find on the new pc 👍