Also for the nitro badges cost, it seems like you can also just buy nitro basic and get the badges (unless Discord goes massive corporate greed moment and makes it $10 nitro only). So prices would be $3 per month or $30 per year -> Fire badge at 6+ years = $180
Even I would never do this. If I were to make yearly subscriptions to literally anything (games for example), I would only add benefits that are non-essential. For microtransactions, I would only do so with currencies and cosmetics that can be earned with enough effort, but purchased for immediate access. But in general, microtransactions are bad. Yearly subscriptions are bad. Anything involving money is bad.
@@MinecraftGamerLR i support cosmetics being paid! for the things that i love, i never feel bad giving out some extra money for cosmetics as long as they are reasonably priced (NOT league's $500 skin and various $200 skin colour changes) especially since i mostly play games which are either free or have one time purchase expansions and such
Reminds me of those "online surveys" that would reward you with a free iPhone. Final step of the survey: go to this online casino and buy at least $20 of credit.
What the other guy said, no dev has every said ", "I'd love to spend time making my thing worse instead of adding something cool and new or fun", meanwhile execs are like "hey I actually hate our free users can we send them to the nether irl?"
The fact that they removed the compression tool that was built-in is crazy. (On mobile and for select ppl there was a popup do you wanna compress and send this big file that is over the size limit?) We all know free tools ain't making money...
don't think it was "removed" per say, but never implemented into the React Native client that Discord (Android) has been using since August 2022. (iOS was always the React Native client however)
worst fucking argument i heard:" since ur not using the 25MB we're taking it away." if that was true then they wouldnt have touched the limit. they know people upload
This is for the OG's. Remember the video where they announced Discord Nitro? They said something that goes something like this: "We designed nitro so that you can support our mission, get sweet perks but in a way it shouldn't feel necessary to have a subscription. First of all, that video has been taken down which is very suspicious as all te other perks like server the boosting announcement videos are still up. Second of all, the nitro of today is making people feel like they HAVE TO PAY FOR NITRO. Third of all, Where did all the kind staff from Discord go? OG Discord > Discord of Today (But that's just my personal opinion)
they also butchered "Classic" before silently nuking it entirely, forcing either the shit 5usd a month "basic" or the 10usd new "nitro" when it's literally just what classic did but costs more
Different times and people. Discord is not for gamers, smaller communities or a convenient replacement anymore like when they started. Of course they deleted it. Any soul Discord had is long gone.
It's this reason why I used Skype and Telegram for many years before using Discord until 2020 when my old account got banned forever, and thus, I'm glad I still have Telegram, Skype, and Slack. Even slack allows you to upload files up to One Gigabyte...1 GIGABYTE....That's a much better value and being able to upload on a platform that's not discord with at least 1 gigabyte to upload files....That's pretty good if you ask me. The catch is that if the message is 3 months old, you can't access it unless you pay to access the history.
I got a scam ad that used your voice and it was talking about how “vaultcord is super good against nukes and raids 🤓🤓” so they technically used text to speech, using no-text-to-speech’s speech. What a world we live in.
Why don't they add the option to send "temporary files" which are deleted after say 24 hours but the limit is higher (because discord doesn't have to store them 24/7)
See even this would be better than the trash they keep doing man. Most of the things we share are images people are only gonna look at once or twice anyway, makes too much sense for them to actually do.
yeah, and if they *really* wanted us to enjoy using their glitchy-ass app, they would just automatically compress the temporary files after the time period is up, so we would still get some context for what it was. unfortunately, capitalism exists, so this will not happen, as nitro sales would go down
>takes a lot of time to complete quest >Completes it >"Oh boy time to get my nitro" >"We need your billing info for your nitro" This is how the quests r probably gonna go
I heard from somewhere that it's likely to be a case of "Get 2 month free nitro on your next nitro purchase" which I highly suspect to be the case for these ""free"" nitro quests
In discords attempt to monetize, it has driven me away. I will NEVER give discord a single CENT. If they didn’t take away features and only put nitro for quality of life I would’ve bought it.
I paid for discord nitro from late 2017 to late 2020. They will never see my money ever again. - oh you pay for nitro, and it's kinda inexpensive. Is paying more okay with you ? - oh you pay for features like good streaming quality ? Trust me bro, they will work soon(TM). - uh yeah that nitro store where you have access to games with your nitro sub ? F*ck your greedy ass you need to pay now. And the games you paid for? Sucks to be you, the store is a thing of the past. - uh ackchually your nitro subscription is now called a "legacy" plan which is less expensive for you for just a year before it gets downgraded to nitro basic which has less functionality than before, and by the way we now have this cool new nitro plan that's twice the price. WHAT A DEAL! - Ah, we're reverting a QoL change that 100% of people were asking for for years after granting it for just two years. Sub to nitro, peasant ! The video streaming quality is still shit btw and that's something I've been complaining about since 2018. So, yeah, vote with your wallets people.
"99% of users..." There is no way that is true. Now if they had said "99% of uploads" were under 10mb, that I could believe. Half of what I upload are silly meme images in the 500Kb-1Mb range.
Yeah but that's practically the same thing. If 99% of uploads are under 10Mb, then 99% of users are posting stuff under 10Mb (assuming the number of messages sent per person is roughly equal)
the thing is, 99% users probably dont send files between 10-25MB, however people who do probably send alot of them, so you dont know and i dont know what statistics they are actually using, nor general upload behavior
Discord probably forgotten that basic economy stuff like Supply and Demand which mean the higher the price (or making it not free to upload files between 10MB to 25MB) is the less demand is (Less people want to pay for Nitro or use discord to share files instead other competitor's 500MB free file share) so they may even *lose money* with this decision that *sole purpose is to make money*.
2:10 -> discord claims that ~99% of uploaded files are also discord: time to reduce the file size limit! Lmao wtf. If that lie of a statement was actually true then there would be NO point in changing this. So, yeah, as NTTS said, 'definitely not cherry-picked data' lmao
@@yauya The fact Discord wants to be on the stock market makes so much of this make sense. "Look! We're making sure we cut costs! ᵉᵛᵉⁿ ᵗʰᵒᵘᵍʰ ᵃˡᵐᵒˢᵗ ⁿᵒᵇᵒᵈʸ ᶦˢ ᵘˢᶦⁿᵍ ᵗʰᵉ ˡᵃʳᵍᵉʳ ᶠᶦˡᵉˢᶦᶻᵉ ˢᵒ ʷᵉ ᶜᵃⁿ ʲᵘˢᵗ ᵖʳᵉᵗᵉⁿᵈ ᶦᵗ'ˢ ᶜʰᵃⁿᵍᶦⁿᵍ ᵗʰᶦⁿᵍˢ"
that statement is definitely not a lie. you're not thinking hard enough about how small images are and how many are sent. What they did say though, was that "99% of *users*" don't upload files above 25 MB. That has to be bullshit
There is a reason changing it. Obviously its not the costs but people will compare in the future 10 or 500mb between when cosidering to buy Nitro instead of 25 or 500mb. Everytime you try to send more then 10mb its basically and free advertisement for nitro within Discord that people will read. So making you run into it more makes sense for Discord.
I remember a time, long long ago. When companies weren't allowed to take away features they gave people legally and would get them sued to hell and back. I wish we lived in that time again.
As an artist, im just giving a heavy sigh at the limit dropping. Since some of my clients have pretty intensive file sizes Edit: yes I know and use Google drive, trello, and email to also send files. I was merely complaining about the change since I prefer it for more casual clients.
@@Nub_or_something_idk yes, but google drive won't work forever without you needing to pay or make an alternate account for another free 15 GB. discord truly hates its users
@@APunishedManNamed2 I use Google drive, trello, and email as well. I meant for my more intensive projects for casual clients I prefer discord. Just makes it easier
1:40 "99% of users stick to files smaller than 10 megabytes", no they don't, but your statistics are probably accurate because for every single 1080p video I upload to Discord and every single image and video I upload to Discord on my phone, it gets compressed as shit. So yes, the image I just took with my phone camera that took 18 megabytes of space will be closer to 10 because it gets compressed to poop quality. Thanks.
I have two choices: 1. Four days worth of food 2. Upload 500MB files Edit: apparently discord mods can't fathom spending less than 20 bucks a meal. Doritos, big macs and monster energy are expensive. Potatoes, pastas, chick peas, lentils and water aren't.
Discord is too bloated, i hate it now. I really hope we get something new so this can die like MSN messenger, skype and all the other things that people thought was too big to fail.
@@plaane it's not about being cheap, i decided to stop paying, because it's bloated and adding crap that i dont want or need. i just wanted it for chatting. And it keeps getting worse, this is how dumb you are to comment something like that. they literally lowered how much subscribed users can upload too and you still defend it and blame the user. :)
I am part of music and audio production communities... So you can imagine how absolutely dreadful life was Before 25mb I could send CD quality tracks most if the time now? It's mp3 And sometimes not even That if the song is long
if 99% of uploads are below 10mb, then how is this not a cash grab? if only 1% of uploads are above 10mb, then this isn't actually about saving their server storage.
Yeh, if only 1% users use files above 10 mb, the upkeep would just raise a little and give users more freedom. If only 1% people make files above 10 mb, then why lower that limit? if only 1% users send big files
At least 25mb was a step up in my opinion, but now 10mb, it’s only 2mb more than what we had before which was 8mb, why bother increasing the limit if you gonna decrease it months later, we are living in the worst time line.
If 99% of people were actually only posting 10MB sized content then how would it hurt costs by keeping a feature that 1% use if barely anyone uses it wouldn't that arguably be better for costs and be nice for the people that use it?
@@EdinoRemerido or cloud storage but I would still argue it is less convenient to have to send someone a zip file because most people are normies who just have IOS/android and no pc or whatever and if they do have a pc a lot of people don't know how to do that
I dunno about the limit per day but apparently sending 6 messages within a couple minutes gets you spam warned and told to "enter the chill zone", as I found out just now in dms. Never seen that before until literally today. :D
@@ed_cmntonly Ah okay gotcha, I just had never seen it before so not sure why not until now. Though tbf I was ranting to someone because of some irl bs so I guess just really badly timed coincidence xD
As far as I know, no files are being deleted as long as the messages they're attached to are still around. (I have uploaded files as old as 2017 that I can still find with a quick search.) However, they have started making it so _links_ to files start expiring after a short while, so that people cannot easily use Discord as a file hosting site. The file is still there, but you'd need a new link in order to display it anywhere other than Discord.
Pretty much what Kevin said. If the channel or message containing the upload gets deleted, then yeah discord will purge it from its cache/cdn eventually. Literally have seen discord uploads from 2016-2017 work fine.
Fun fact: most major free email services actually give you 25 MB per email for attachments. In other words, Discord is literally nerfing the free upload limit to be WORSE than a damn email 😂😂😂
I remember having to use ffmpeg trickery to make videos small enough to upload to discord and I don't wanna do it again, I'll try using catbox as a cdn now
I just got an ad before video about voidcord with your voice(probably AI), and discord profile. (could be wrong name, because i was surprised, and didn't have time. Other posible name is vicecord, or something like that starting with v and ending with cord.)
Honestly I'm cool with everything you mentioned in this video EXCEPT for the new dialog prompt that hides the specific file size limit. I'm sure Discord costs a king's ransom every month to run, so they're gotta make sure it's sustainable. But that's no excuse for dark patterns, and that file size limit dialog is absolutely, positively a dark pattern.
if they say 99% of users stick to files under 10MB than that means they're saying 1% of users uploading an extra 1-15MB of files is whats costing them money
Maybe discord should make it so quests are able to be created by individual servers too. Quests for members. Members complete quest. Members are awarded with X reward or whatever servers and their owners can come up with. Sounds like a useful tactic to keep members engaged.
I just got a "Valcord" ad that had an AI version of NTTS's voice. At first I thought it was the video and he was just using a different microphone, but it's fake. Kind of scary
The data analyst must be delusional and sees it the other way around, I bet large companies only hire delusional and overly sensitive people to work at their companies.
plain perfect. i like to send my friends or random people i meet on servs gameplay of random games i like, sometimes some MS paint art, sometimes videos. etc etc. already, the shitty 25mb limit didnt let me upload most of my gameplay footage. thats infuriating ik. but now, it lowers it to 10mb? and to hide it off they dont even tell you the limit? istg companies will literally do ANYTHING for that bling-bling, sometimes its understandable changes, sometime its just outright killing yourself off. i wouldnt even be surprised if they implemented a max message per day/ per user. just shows you how much the world is centered around money these days.
Thank you for opening my eyes. I can't believe I was this dumb. I am a nitro user since 2022 and just today realized I've wasted 280€ in total. Seriously, thank you.
Don’t get your hopes up for the “free nitro” quests. If it’s like all other apps, which it most likely is, it will be 3 days of free nitro for maybe an hour of doing the quest, and it will be something you can only claim once. If anything it benefits discord way more than it benefits you because it gives users a taste of what nitro is like and will make some users miss it once it’s gone in a few days and they will consider buying it more than they would have previously.
i was one of the super lucky people to get that experiment to upload 1gb! except i dont have nitro. so i was forced back down to 8mb. when it finally ended i was happy and then they announce this. its like a slap in the face and then a punch in the gut. fuck you discord, youll never get a cent outta me
Same here, if Discord is gonna be this fucking shitty and treating us with making us suffer through this bullshit of stripping away what we loved just to make us pay for Nitro. Then yeah not spending a single fucking dime on those fuckers. If all Nitro features were free and the only thing Nitro gave you was just a badge and some customization, then everyone would be happy, and the only reason to get Nitro is just to support them. But no, they are greedy fucks, and want to give people who gives them money for fucking premiums that we can't enjoy and they are doing everything to make Nitro seem better but only makes us hate them more and be repulsed by the idea of giving money to those greedy fucks.
The Discord era is hopefully entering its last stage. I personally can't wait to go back to Team Speak, and even temporarily use Skype for personal messages. Maybe a new ICQ type site? It's lovely to think about. Anything but discord.
that 99% statistic is the biggest lie ive ever seen i frequently upload short video clips on discord that are 20-30 mb in size and this is just gonna kill that for me in most smaller servers and group chats
Wait so They want to keep server storage costs down. And they say that 99% of users don't upload more than 10mb So reducing the upload limit wouldn't change anything for that majority. So which is it? Is too much shit being uploaded? Or are 99% of users not affected anyways? Increasing Nitro upload limit probably will only lead to more stuff they need to store
The logic they seem to have here is you are paying $10 a month into server costs and your average nitro user isn't normally going to overfill $10 worth of server rental space with their uploads. Or at least that's how I am interpreting their words here.
Honestly, they should reasonably just introduce a "keep file for [1 week]", allow it to be changed to a year or two or something, and that allows them to not have to store it for all eternity. Unless it's actually just about making people pay, and the whole storage thing is just an excuse. BUT WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT, RIGHT?!
Discord's mentality is to give you features you don't want and ignore those you want. That's definitely a better option than what they are doing, but where would they be getting money if people doesn't get nitro if they don't need it thanks to that free feature? Yeah, ofc will never happen sadly
I could just see it now, them introducing file upload expiration, and if you want it to be stored indefinitely, you must get Nitro. I predict Discord's nitro badge power-ups will not apply to basic.
@@MasicoreLord I mean, I suspect most people would rather have larger expiring downloads instead of smaller downloads that last forever. Every time I send or receive a download, it's downloaded within a day and never referenced again.
@@OhhCrapGuy makes more sense, since the relevance of most files attached likely is limited w/in the same day or so. although there is some usefulness to even the attachments getting archived with chat history, but obviously the space that takes up adds up overtime. (maybe older files should be compressed and possibly moved to other servers/storage, which may be slower to access, but is cheaper to store lots of data)
@@MasicoreLord Lossless compression is almost certainly already used on your machine before even sending the file to Discord, even if they weren't stored compressed on the server. Why? Because for most data (but not pictures or video) the single greatest bottleneck to transferring it is: the Internet itself. See, a 25MB text file will often compress to 50% or less with something extremely fast like lz4 or gzip. In fact, it's so fast that it's usually less than 1/10th of the uncompressed transfer time. So if it took 10 seconds to transfer 100MB uncompressed, it would take 1 second to compress it, and 5 seconds to transfer. But the transfer doesn't even need to wait until the compression is complete, it actually starts within like 0.1 seconds or less, and starts sending the beginning of the compressed stream while it's still compressing the rest. So for highly compressible data, like a SQLite file, sending it compressed may actually speed up the transfer by a factor of 5 or more! And of course, once Discord has the compressed file stream, there's zero reason to decompress it first before storing it on disk. They may want to scan it for viruses, but that has to happen in memory anyway, not on disk. So they might uncompress the stream to main memory, scan it, deallocate the uncompressed version, and save the compressed version. Now, you might be wondering "what about if it's uncompressed for some reason, what then?" The answer is "compress it before writing it to disk." Why? Because when the kernel receives the uncompressed data, it's copied to main memory for the server software to process. Then the server software does whatever it needs to do before giving it BACK to the kernel to write to disk, then its sent from the kernel to the disk controller. Then the disk controller writes the data to the physical medium. Guess what the biggest bottleneck is after the kernel receives the incoming bytestream. Did you guess "sending it to the disk controller and writing it to disk"? Because that's it. In fact, it's (generally) so much slower that it's still faster to compress it first so that the disk has to write fewer bytes. This falls apart a bit with newer Gen 5 NVMe Enterprise drives, but when you add the savings on having to buy, install, and power more disks in a data center, it's OBVIOUSLY better to simply compress everything you can every chance you get, not just for storage, but mostly for performance. So that's why it's almost certainly compressed losslessly on their disks, because uncompressed data is TOO SLOW to deal with. They probably only had it uncompressed in main memory briefly for a virus scan, if that, and probably not the entire file.
Hmmm, I wonder why 99% of files on discord are under 10mb Maybe because people are sending gifs a lot more than actual files (I swear, if tenor links were included in that calculation, I guarantee it made up at least 50% of it)
I really hope that the badge actually gives you a little discount on your subscription for being subscribed for years, but I think we all know it’s only going to be a cosmetic thing
Discord has so far been the only company that makes unnecessary changes and ends up affecting the user experience We need to complain to be heard As a personal matter, I will pay for Nitro when Discord stops making unnecessary changes This is not the first time this has happened, and we need everyone's help
As a music producer, this file size change sucks. A lot of my audio samples exceed the 8MBs, and the 25MB limit helped me consistently share audio with others, even if it was lower quality formats.
Also for the nitro badges cost, it seems like you can also just buy nitro basic and get the badges (unless Discord goes massive corporate greed moment and makes it $10 nitro only).
So prices would be $3 per month or $30 per year -> Fire badge at 6+ years = $180
bbg
ok
fix your thumbnail it says 25mb to 25mb
It’s time to ditch discord
ahhhhhh
I hate when companies sell you solutions to problems they caused.
Even I would never do this. If I were to make yearly subscriptions to literally anything (games for example), I would only add benefits that are non-essential. For microtransactions, I would only do so with currencies and cosmetics that can be earned with enough effort, but purchased for immediate access.
But in general, microtransactions are bad. Yearly subscriptions are bad. Anything involving money is bad.
@@MinecraftGamerLR i support cosmetics being paid! for the things that i love, i never feel bad giving out some extra money for cosmetics as long as they are reasonably priced (NOT league's $500 skin and various $200 skin colour changes) especially since i mostly play games which are either free or have one time purchase expansions and such
Capitalism, amyrite?
just buy nitro brokie
@@kevinurayoure broke acting like you got money cause you spent your dads money on discord nitro lmao
dawg... upload limit was already horrendus and now they made it worse...
cus discord cant do nth right, smth is either good n then they ruin it, or its already cheeks n they make it even worse
@@z3v.. I had a stroke reading that
It's so depressing, right?
@@SnuXSley thats ur own problem (everyone gtf off my meat 💀💀)
fr
8mb > 25mb > 10mb for non-nitro users
discord can't decide lmfao
10mb > 25 mb > 10mb
@@EliteCameraBuddy nah first time it was 8mb
on god tho its 10mb even if its not big difference than 8 is still better
Oh... they know what they are doing. It's the corporate equivalent of rage-baiting.
average it out and set it to 14.33 megabytes 🔥🔥
The "free" nitro quests will 100% require you to make an IAP in whatever game the quest is for
Penguins need HUGS
Reminds me of those "online surveys" that would reward you with a free iPhone. Final step of the survey: go to this online casino and buy at least $20 of credit.
When I'm in a "Don't fix what isn't broken" competition and my opponent is the discord dev team:
Its not the dev team tho?? This is definitely a decision made by the corpo execs bro
What the other guy said, no dev has every said ", "I'd love to spend time making my thing worse instead of adding something cool and new or fun", meanwhile execs are like "hey I actually hate our free users can we send them to the nether irl?"
The fact that they removed the compression tool that was built-in is crazy. (On mobile and for select ppl there was a popup do you wanna compress and send this big file that is over the size limit?)
We all know free tools ain't making money...
It's fully removed? I remember that, it was pretty nice
don't think it was "removed" per say, but never implemented into the React Native client that Discord (Android) has been using since August 2022. (iOS was always the React Native client however)
Whats worse is that its auto compression
At least you still have 8mb
It's still here...
worst fucking argument i heard:" since ur not using the 25MB we're taking it away." if that was true then they wouldnt have touched the limit. they know people upload
I love nitor
nitor
Love the translation@@imgoof4real
Use zip files.
@@EdinoRemerido zip bombs
Next up: 99% of messages don’t contain any attachments. Therefore, sending files is now restricted to Nitro users
FIRE
Don't give them any ideas!
60% of nitro users dont upload files really often, therefore sending files is only a discord-dev feature!
Probably gonna happen ngl
“99% of words spoken aren’t spoken through discord chat, so we restricted sending text messages to nitro users.”
This is for the OG's. Remember the video where they announced Discord Nitro? They said something that goes something like this: "We designed nitro so that you can support our mission, get sweet perks but in a way it shouldn't feel necessary to have a subscription.
First of all, that video has been taken down which is very suspicious as all te other perks like server the boosting announcement videos are still up.
Second of all, the nitro of today is making people feel like they HAVE TO PAY FOR NITRO.
Third of all, Where did all the kind staff from Discord go?
OG Discord > Discord of Today (But that's just my personal opinion)
they also butchered "Classic" before silently nuking it entirely, forcing either the shit 5usd a month "basic" or the 10usd new "nitro" when it's literally just what classic did but costs more
Different times and people. Discord is not for gamers, smaller communities or a convenient replacement anymore like when they started. Of course they deleted it. Any soul Discord had is long gone.
It's this reason why I used Skype and Telegram for many years before using Discord until 2020 when my old account got banned forever, and thus, I'm glad I still have Telegram, Skype, and Slack. Even slack allows you to upload files up to One Gigabyte...1 GIGABYTE....That's a much better value and being able to upload on a platform that's not discord with at least 1 gigabyte to upload files....That's pretty good if you ask me.
The catch is that if the message is 3 months old, you can't access it unless you pay to access the history.
I got a scam ad that used your voice and it was talking about how “vaultcord is super good against nukes and raids 🤓🤓” so they technically used text to speech, using no-text-to-speech’s speech. What a world we live in.
1:45 Gotta love when they mention "99% of users" as if most overall accounts aren't abandoned or alt accounts.
he said users not accounts
@@ihazskinpvdiscord made it up, they need more and more money which will be their downfall
@@ihazskinpv Yes but normally companies use both terms interchangeably since every new account counts as a new user in their eyes.
@@ihazskinpvSo you are telling me they were comparing every account creation ip to differ alternative accounts from real users?
Even if the account wasn't abandoned,there are always people who don't send files,maybe they prefer to give a link for example idk
Why don't they add the option to send "temporary files" which are deleted after say 24 hours but the limit is higher (because discord doesn't have to store them 24/7)
@Minecragy0 erm well actučšlčščšěčěščřěšřčě˘^ˇ°˘ˇ^°˛^˘˛`˘°˛°ˇ^°˘ˇ^°alllllyyyy 🤓its buy*
See even this would be better than the trash they keep doing man. Most of the things we share are images people are only gonna look at once or twice anyway, makes too much sense for them to actually do.
yeah, and if they *really* wanted us to enjoy using their glitchy-ass app, they would just automatically compress the temporary files after the time period is up, so we would still get some context for what it was. unfortunately, capitalism exists, so this will not happen, as nitro sales would go down
They need more storage to get your data and sell them
Cause they won’t make money
>takes a lot of time to complete quest
>Completes it
>"Oh boy time to get my nitro"
>"We need your billing info for your nitro"
This is how the quests r probably gonna go
put an empty account
there is a website that generates valid throwaway bank ids. no idea how it works, google around
I heard from somewhere that it's likely to be a case of "Get 2 month free nitro on your next nitro purchase" which I highly suspect to be the case for these ""free"" nitro quests
@@justenoughrandomness8989 prob not if you don’t have an account or…like half of the users in discord are underage anyway…..yea no shot ☠️
@@Foxy_5702 true
Discord in 2024: 10Mb uploads
Discord in 2034: Send text messages and calls with nitro
Discord in 2028: 100 daily message limit. The $10 nitro also has a nice perk of being allowed to embed links.
In discords attempt to monetize, it has driven me away. I will NEVER give discord a single CENT. If they didn’t take away features and only put nitro for quality of life I would’ve bought it.
I paid for discord nitro from late 2017 to late 2020. They will never see my money ever again.
- oh you pay for nitro, and it's kinda inexpensive. Is paying more okay with you ?
- oh you pay for features like good streaming quality ? Trust me bro, they will work soon(TM).
- uh yeah that nitro store where you have access to games with your nitro sub ? F*ck your greedy ass you need to pay now. And the games you paid for? Sucks to be you, the store is a thing of the past.
- uh ackchually your nitro subscription is now called a "legacy" plan which is less expensive for you for just a year before it gets downgraded to nitro basic which has less functionality than before, and by the way we now have this cool new nitro plan that's twice the price. WHAT A DEAL!
- Ah, we're reverting a QoL change that 100% of people were asking for for years after granting it for just two years. Sub to nitro, peasant !
The video streaming quality is still shit btw and that's something I've been complaining about since 2018. So, yeah, vote with your wallets people.
Yep. They just offered me free month of nitro, but I chose to completely ignore it because I've already deleted my billing info from my account.
"99% of users..." There is no way that is true. Now if they had said "99% of uploads" were under 10mb, that I could believe. Half of what I upload are silly meme images in the 500Kb-1Mb range.
Yeah but that's practically the same thing. If 99% of uploads are under 10Mb, then 99% of users are posting stuff under 10Mb (assuming the number of messages sent per person is roughly equal)
@@AnasHart 99% of users implies most users don't bother sending anything above 10mb, which just isnt true.
@@Arekkizu Ah yeah that makes sense - "99% of users never send anything above 10Mb".
the thing is, 99% users probably dont send files between 10-25MB, however people who do probably send alot of them, so you dont know and i dont know what statistics they are actually using, nor general upload behavior
I'm willing to bet they include gifs in that. You know, the thing people tend to send very frequently in servers.
Discord: fixing all the cp issues within servers ❌
Also discord: lowering the uploads size to make stonks ✅
Protecting children doesnt make money to chinI
Clyb pengin pdf
Discord probably forgotten that basic economy stuff like Supply and Demand which mean the higher the price (or making it not free to upload files between 10MB to 25MB) is the less demand is (Less people want to pay for Nitro or use discord to share files instead other competitor's 500MB free file share) so they may even *lose money* with this decision that *sole purpose is to make money*.
@@michaeljonathan9715 LMAO TRUE
Discord dev team loves that stuff, why would they remove it?
2:10
-> discord claims that ~99% of uploaded files are also discord: time to reduce the file size limit!
Lmao wtf. If that lie of a statement was actually true then there would be NO point in changing this. So, yeah, as NTTS said, 'definitely not cherry-picked data' lmao
those mf can't even make a good excuse to save their ass
@@yauya The fact Discord wants to be on the stock market makes so much of this make sense. "Look! We're making sure we cut costs! ᵉᵛᵉⁿ ᵗʰᵒᵘᵍʰ ᵃˡᵐᵒˢᵗ ⁿᵒᵇᵒᵈʸ ᶦˢ ᵘˢᶦⁿᵍ ᵗʰᵉ ˡᵃʳᵍᵉʳ ᶠᶦˡᵉˢᶦᶻᵉ ˢᵒ ʷᵉ ᶜᵃⁿ ʲᵘˢᵗ ᵖʳᵉᵗᵉⁿᵈ ᶦᵗ'ˢ ᶜʰᵃⁿᵍᶦⁿᵍ ᵗʰᶦⁿᵍˢ"
If they include shitpost images soundboards emojis or gifs it could absolutely be under 10 MB, that is however extremely disingenuous
that statement is definitely not a lie. you're not thinking hard enough about how small images are and how many are sent.
What they did say though, was that "99% of *users*" don't upload files above 25 MB.
That has to be bullshit
There is a reason changing it. Obviously its not the costs but people will compare in the future 10 or 500mb between when cosidering to buy Nitro instead of 25 or 500mb. Everytime you try to send more then 10mb its basically and free advertisement for nitro within Discord that people will read. So making you run into it more makes sense for Discord.
I remember a time, long long ago. When companies weren't allowed to take away features they gave people legally and would get them sued to hell and back. I wish we lived in that time again.
As an artist, im just giving a heavy sigh at the limit dropping. Since some of my clients have pretty intensive file sizes
Edit: yes I know and use Google drive, trello, and email to also send files. I was merely complaining about the change since I prefer it for more casual clients.
does google drive work?
@@Nub_or_something_idk yes, but google drive won't work forever without you needing to pay or make an alternate account for another free 15 GB. discord truly hates its users
>artist without his own domain & shitbox vps to dump files
can't imagine it, tbh.
@@Nub_or_something_idk I use Google drive and email too, but for more intensive projects from casual clients I prefer discord lol
@@APunishedManNamed2 I use Google drive, trello, and email as well. I meant for my more intensive projects for casual clients I prefer discord. Just makes it easier
Badge hunters are gonna go crazy with this one
Real
🤖
Badge goblins*
Yep.. thats me!
📍Rio de Janeiro
Edit: nvm its nitro badges
All the more reason to hack accounts
discord try not to make their platform worse every day challenge (impossible)
Homosexuality
@@denis2381...is ok!
@@denis2381Hello Denis.
@@denis2381how is this relevant at all what
@@denis2381ur pfp looks soo sus at first glance
Discord is becoming greedy
Always was
@@BigMacMax1128real
"becoming"
Always has been...
Becoming?
0:13 as a Brazilian: what is Twitter? Never heard about it.
Social media platform that was recently renamed to X
@@t_bcYT such an interesting name! I wonder how it looks like
@@PratoAgressivoHAUSJAJSJAKSKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
@@EnzoOliveira0 NAMORAL SDLHGNSAHSD
@@PratoAgressivo NO FUCKING WAY
1:40 "99% of users stick to files smaller than 10 megabytes", no they don't, but your statistics are probably accurate because for every single 1080p video I upload to Discord and every single image and video I upload to Discord on my phone, it gets compressed as shit.
So yes, the image I just took with my phone camera that took 18 megabytes of space will be closer to 10 because it gets compressed to poop quality.
Thanks.
I have two choices:
1. Four days worth of food
2. Upload 500MB files
Edit: apparently discord mods can't fathom spending less than 20 bucks a meal. Doritos, big macs and monster energy are expensive. Potatoes, pastas, chick peas, lentils and water aren't.
Wdym 4 days what you eating?
Where the fuck do you live that 10$ = four days worth of food
Real af
@@thecringeman7697 definitely indonesian or vietnam
@@thecringeman7697 no idea but i want to live there
Discord is too bloated, i hate it now. I really hope we get something new so this can die like MSN messenger, skype and all the other things that people thought was too big to fail.
Element does exist :) in general its sad that matrix has far too few users for its idea and tech behind it
@@stefanidzedevpeople too cheap to pay $3 for nitro are definitely too cheap to selfhost an instance
@@plaane it's not about being cheap, i decided to stop paying, because it's bloated and adding crap that i dont want or need. i just wanted it for chatting. And it keeps getting worse, this is how dumb you are to comment something like that. they literally lowered how much subscribed users can upload too and you still defend it and blame the user. :)
@@plaanehows that boot tasting
@@plaane There's being cheap and there's wasting money on discord of all things.
I swear Skypes upload cap was 1gb in 2014 for free 😭🙏
Pretty sure it was a terabyte not gb
I once sent like 10GBs to my friend over skype
Back in the day Skype was peer to peer, so your file went directly to the other person.
I can't wait for a viable discord competitor to join the market
You... may as well be waiting for a long time.
@@daviddebroux4708 they said the same thing with MSN,Skype, etc
Use Matrix, quite the same thing, decentralised, open-source... It's just fucking perfect.
Guilded
remember the time when people with blue checkmarks were bullied in Twitter? Yeah, time to do that again but in discord.
man i remember the 8mb days, i couldn't send anything back then!
so glad discord brought my suffering back to live! :D
I am part of music and audio production communities... So you can imagine how absolutely dreadful life was Before 25mb
I could send CD quality tracks most if the time now? It's mp3 And sometimes not even That if the song is long
@@luizansounds create a mediafire link
@@luizansounds Guess you're going ogg now.
if 99% of uploads are below 10mb, then how is this not a cash grab? if only 1% of uploads are above 10mb, then this isn't actually about saving their server storage.
Yeh, if only 1% users use files above 10 mb, the upkeep would just raise a little and give users more freedom. If only 1% people make files above 10 mb, then why lower that limit? if only 1% users send big files
Came to comment the same. Def a cash grab but kids are not going to know or care so Discord moves forwards anyway.
8mb to 25mb to 10mb
even 25mb is already horrendous, but now they're just fckin' with us
At least 25mb was a step up in my opinion, but now 10mb, it’s only 2mb more than what we had before which was 8mb, why bother increasing the limit if you gonna decrease it months later, we are living in the worst time line.
Who remembers when Skype would let you send a whole ass 40gb game with no issues back in the day?
Greeeaaat... Now I can't upload my clips from Steelseries GG, which exports at 25 MB specifically for Discord.
If 99% of people were actually only posting 10MB sized content then how would it hurt costs by keeping a feature that 1% use if barely anyone uses it wouldn't that arguably be better for costs and be nice for the people that use it?
Use zip files
@@EdinoRemerido for a 430p markiplier image?
@@EdinoRemerido or cloud storage but I would still argue it is less convenient to have to send someone a zip file because most people are normies who just have IOS/android and no pc or whatever and if they do have a pc a lot of people don't know how to do that
exactly lol i had the same thought
@@nm_9_ 90% of files are from computers.
I can't wait until discrd to puts a limit on how many messages you can send in a day without Discord Nitro
I dunno about the limit per day but apparently sending 6 messages within a couple minutes gets you spam warned and told to "enter the chill zone", as I found out just now in dms. Never seen that before until literally today. :D
oh no
DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS
@@gingeraiyle that's been a thing for like years though, just dw it aint some discord corporate shtick just an anti-spam prevention feature
@@ed_cmntonly Ah okay gotcha, I just had never seen it before so not sure why not until now. Though tbf I was ranting to someone because of some irl bs so I guess just really badly timed coincidence xD
Don't give them ideas
"stored securely for future access" they've been deleting files older than a certain date for a long time
As far as I know, no files are being deleted as long as the messages they're attached to are still around. (I have uploaded files as old as 2017 that I can still find with a quick search.) However, they have started making it so _links_ to files start expiring after a short while, so that people cannot easily use Discord as a file hosting site. The file is still there, but you'd need a new link in order to display it anywhere other than Discord.
Pretty much what Kevin said. If the channel or message containing the upload gets deleted, then yeah discord will purge it from its cache/cdn eventually. Literally have seen discord uploads from 2016-2017 work fine.
i just got an ad using an ai text to speech of your voice for a dicord bot called vault cord, that was lit fire flames
Fun fact: most major free email services actually give you 25 MB per email for attachments.
In other words, Discord is literally nerfing the free upload limit to be WORSE than a damn email 😂😂😂
What. The. Fuck. They really nerfed the upload limit (which was already terrible) TO ONLY 10 MEGABYTES? Come on...
No swearing, mom will get mad...
It used to be 8 MB, but only just as bad as 10 MB.
Pay $3 for more space lol. Its generous of them to offer free uploads at all
@@VPC discord's not gonna fuck you bro
@@VPC corporate meatrider
Discord is stupid for changing the storage limit to 10 megabytes
i can imagine trying to send a video which is 20mb before but then can't
Stupid how?
@@NuchiAsaki because they are turning greedy
I remember having to use ffmpeg trickery to make videos small enough to upload to discord and I don't wanna do it again, I'll try using catbox as a cdn now
@@Jagamingvoid Asking for money to fund a service isn't greedy. Storing massive amounts of large files is very expensive.
I just got an ad before video about voidcord with your voice(probably AI), and discord profile. (could be wrong name, because i was surprised, and didn't have time. Other posible name is vicecord, or something like that starting with v and ending with cord.)
Honestly I'm cool with everything you mentioned in this video EXCEPT for the new dialog prompt that hides the specific file size limit. I'm sure Discord costs a king's ransom every month to run, so they're gotta make sure it's sustainable. But that's no excuse for dark patterns, and that file size limit dialog is absolutely, positively a dark pattern.
Ah yes back to sending a 20 second clip in 8 second fragments
if they say 99% of users stick to files under 10MB than that means they're saying 1% of users uploading an extra 1-15MB of files is whats costing them money
Maybe discord should make it so quests are able to be created by individual servers too. Quests for members. Members complete quest. Members are awarded with X reward or whatever servers and their owners can come up with. Sounds like a useful tactic to keep members engaged.
It would probably be a level 3 feature
I got a discord bot ad on this video using your voice as an ai, its called vaultcord
I am a badge collector but when a badge requires money, i don’t need them
I just got a "Valcord" ad that had an AI version of NTTS's voice. At first I thought it was the video and he was just using a different microphone, but it's fake. Kind of scary
I GOT THAT TOO
Definitely not using that misleading garbage.
Ah, they need to meet their enshittification quota before becoming publicly tradable.
They should fire their data analyst, because 99% of people DO upload files larger than 10mb
The data analyst must be delusional and sees it the other way around, I bet large companies only hire delusional and overly sensitive people to work at their companies.
plain perfect. i like to send my friends or random people i meet on servs gameplay of random games i like, sometimes some MS paint art, sometimes videos. etc etc. already, the shitty 25mb limit didnt let me upload most of my gameplay footage. thats infuriating ik. but now, it lowers it to 10mb? and to hide it off they dont even tell you the limit? istg companies will literally do ANYTHING for that bling-bling, sometimes its understandable changes, sometime its just outright killing yourself off. i wouldnt even be surprised if they implemented a max message per day/ per user. just shows you how much the world is centered around money these days.
I just clicked this video and suddenly I got a ntts ad talking bout vaultcord you ain't slick ntts
2:15
That one sounded like "Five. Hundred. Cigarettes"
lmao i need more 500 cigarettes references
500 megabytes
I missed out on adding that in :(
five. hundred. megabytes.
😶
Discord what the fuck. 10 MB? WHY
@@Ertzy_ Me when unnecessary f bomb
Ughhhh
@@TheNuttGuy its pretty necessary
@@TheNuttGuyi fucking think fucking its fucking necessary fucking in fucking my fucking opinion
@@TheNuttGuy It's not unnecessary in this case..
If 99% of people on Discord were sticking to files less than 10mb, changing it doesn't really benefit them NOR the users really.
low iq argument
Hey uhh, I got an ad for something called “VaultCord” that I believed used your AI voice, deadass thought it was a sponsored segment until I looked up
There are so many alternatives that I wish people used more, namely Matrix, Slack, and Element (my personal fav).
1:23 what the actual flying fudg am i seeing 💀💀
heaven
great things 😧😧
Fine art
sold for 67 centdecillion dollars
I hate the argument "only 1% percent of your files are over 8MB, so we're taking it away." Shouldn't that be the reason for keeping it? Wtf
Well, you see, they need to include the uploads sent back in the days BEFORE the 25 MB limit, otherwise it wouldn't be fair.
Discord being discord, literally most annoying application for the most of the times, good updates and then a huge trash one :/
Ever used Teams? Skype? Google meet?
Discord was among best till they got greedy with nitro.
@@Airin258 honestly they should just put banner ads on the side or something like youtube in 2015, maybe then they'd lower the nitro prices
@@Airin258yeah the thing is it was.
did you forgot the discriminator one..
just buy nitro brokie
Discord really disabling nitro for me and i can't buy it, then he forces me to send videos what are less than 7 seconds
I got a ad that uses your voice right before this video from vaultcore
Pause, x what? 1:02
xvid
Videos
Wild 💀
0:36 you normally censor with a ping, and i got a ping at the EXACT same time it would have appeared there lol
If 99% don't even upload over 10mb, there is no need to limit it to 10mb. Discord is using all the braincells it seems 😂
no way my advert before this video was ntts making a promotional video about something to do with discord protection LOL
I got a fake NTTS ad before the video with Ai voice of NTTS promoting a discord bot 😭😭😭
1:06 X what?
VIDEOS.
Fr
You Know.
Xvideos? Oh yeah, isn’t that Twitter?
Thank you for opening my eyes. I can't believe I was this dumb. I am a nitro user since 2022 and just today realized I've wasted 280€ in total.
Seriously, thank you.
72 months for fire badge is crazy
just so you know a bot named vaultcord took your voice and made an advertisement it was literally in the beginning of the video
Don’t get your hopes up for the “free nitro” quests. If it’s like all other apps, which it most likely is, it will be 3 days of free nitro for maybe an hour of doing the quest, and it will be something you can only claim once. If anything it benefits discord way more than it benefits you because it gives users a taste of what nitro is like and will make some users miss it once it’s gone in a few days and they will consider buying it more than they would have previously.
Pray that outside clients can overwrite this bs
Maybe a bot or something that splits files in 10 mb chunks and then uncompresses them
That'll definitely be limited server side, so still forcing your client to send it won't change anything
won't happen no client can bypass the limit
and even then, discord can nuke your account for using 3rd party clients
@@camboi6103
And then someone just intentionally causes discord to go down as a punishment.
i was one of the super lucky people to get that experiment to upload 1gb! except i dont have nitro. so i was forced back down to 8mb. when it finally ended i was happy and then they announce this. its like a slap in the face and then a punch in the gut. fuck you discord, youll never get a cent outta me
Same here, if Discord is gonna be this fucking shitty and treating us with making us suffer through this bullshit of stripping away what we loved just to make us pay for Nitro. Then yeah not spending a single fucking dime on those fuckers. If all Nitro features were free and the only thing Nitro gave you was just a badge and some customization, then everyone would be happy, and the only reason to get Nitro is just to support them. But no, they are greedy fucks, and want to give people who gives them money for fucking premiums that we can't enjoy and they are doing everything to make Nitro seem better but only makes us hate them more and be repulsed by the idea of giving money to those greedy fucks.
no fucking way their data is accurate lmao any picture on almost any phone these days are close to 25mb if not more if they edited it just a tiny bit
I got an ad about something called volcord or something; they used an Ai voice of you. What makes it funnier was the ad was on one of your videos
The Discord era is hopefully entering its last stage. I personally can't wait to go back to Team Speak, and even temporarily use Skype for personal messages. Maybe a new ICQ type site? It's lovely to think about. Anything but discord.
Ahh I love how we can send bigger files through email now than discord ._.
dammit, so now i cant send my friends the 4th movement of the 9th symphony no more
video or audio
@@tzarg audio
3:34 that's an insane refrence tts 💀
Care to share the reference
3:32 would be a better time stamp, but yes
What reference
What reference
y'all are too young for this shit, but it basically means getting a handjob after a massage (I think?)
I just saw an advertisement with your voice talking about a discord server before your video
that 99% statistic is the biggest lie ive ever seen
i frequently upload short video clips on discord that are 20-30 mb in size and this is just gonna kill that for me in most smaller servers and group chats
Wait so
They want to keep server storage costs down.
And they say that 99% of users don't upload more than 10mb
So reducing the upload limit wouldn't change anything for that majority.
So which is it? Is too much shit being uploaded? Or are 99% of users not affected anyways?
Increasing Nitro upload limit probably will only lead to more stuff they need to store
The logic they seem to have here is you are paying $10 a month into server costs and your average nitro user isn't normally going to overfill $10 worth of server rental space with their uploads. Or at least that's how I am interpreting their words here.
Return to the good old days of split, 8 (now 10) mb archive files
the upload limit being 25 mb was already shitty and now its even shittier
And now I have to go through every single one of my 1899 FUCKING FILES TO SORT THE ONES THAT ARE TOO BIG OUT
The discord nitro badge update reminds me of Duolingo streak, funnily enough, a week ago there ended a collab of Duolingo and discord
Honestly, they should reasonably just introduce a "keep file for [1 week]", allow it to be changed to a year or two or something, and that allows them to not have to store it for all eternity.
Unless it's actually just about making people pay, and the whole storage thing is just an excuse.
BUT WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT, RIGHT?!
Discord's mentality is to give you features you don't want and ignore those you want. That's definitely a better option than what they are doing, but where would they be getting money if people doesn't get nitro if they don't need it thanks to that free feature? Yeah, ofc will never happen sadly
I could just see it now, them introducing file upload expiration, and if you want it to be stored indefinitely, you must get Nitro. I predict Discord's nitro badge power-ups will not apply to basic.
@@MasicoreLord I mean, I suspect most people would rather have larger expiring downloads instead of smaller downloads that last forever. Every time I send or receive a download, it's downloaded within a day and never referenced again.
@@OhhCrapGuy makes more sense, since the relevance of most files attached likely is limited w/in the same day or so. although there is some usefulness to even the attachments getting archived with chat history, but obviously the space that takes up adds up overtime. (maybe older files should be compressed and possibly moved to other servers/storage, which may be slower to access, but is cheaper to store lots of data)
@@MasicoreLord Lossless compression is almost certainly already used on your machine before even sending the file to Discord, even if they weren't stored compressed on the server. Why?
Because for most data (but not pictures or video) the single greatest bottleneck to transferring it is: the Internet itself. See, a 25MB text file will often compress to 50% or less with something extremely fast like lz4 or gzip. In fact, it's so fast that it's usually less than 1/10th of the uncompressed transfer time. So if it took 10 seconds to transfer 100MB uncompressed, it would take 1 second to compress it, and 5 seconds to transfer.
But the transfer doesn't even need to wait until the compression is complete, it actually starts within like 0.1 seconds or less, and starts sending the beginning of the compressed stream while it's still compressing the rest.
So for highly compressible data, like a SQLite file, sending it compressed may actually speed up the transfer by a factor of 5 or more!
And of course, once Discord has the compressed file stream, there's zero reason to decompress it first before storing it on disk. They may want to scan it for viruses, but that has to happen in memory anyway, not on disk. So they might uncompress the stream to main memory, scan it, deallocate the uncompressed version, and save the compressed version.
Now, you might be wondering "what about if it's uncompressed for some reason, what then?"
The answer is "compress it before writing it to disk." Why?
Because when the kernel receives the uncompressed data, it's copied to main memory for the server software to process. Then the server software does whatever it needs to do before giving it BACK to the kernel to write to disk, then its sent from the kernel to the disk controller. Then the disk controller writes the data to the physical medium. Guess what the biggest bottleneck is after the kernel receives the incoming bytestream. Did you guess "sending it to the disk controller and writing it to disk"? Because that's it.
In fact, it's (generally) so much slower that it's still faster to compress it first so that the disk has to write fewer bytes. This falls apart a bit with newer Gen 5 NVMe Enterprise drives, but when you add the savings on having to buy, install, and power more disks in a data center, it's OBVIOUSLY better to simply compress everything you can every chance you get, not just for storage, but mostly for performance.
So that's why it's almost certainly compressed losslessly on their disks, because uncompressed data is TOO SLOW to deal with. They probably only had it uncompressed in main memory briefly for a virus scan, if that, and probably not the entire file.
Discord went bankrupt or sum?
Nope, public
They're trying to become profitable so they can IPO and not instantly crash
Raccoons need HUGS
Hmmm, I wonder why 99% of files on discord are under 10mb
Maybe because people are sending gifs a lot more than actual files
(I swear, if tenor links were included in that calculation, I guarantee it made up at least 50% of it)
BRO I GOT VAULTCORD AD ON THIS VIDEO LMAO. YOU WERE PROMOTING IT ASWELL
I really hope that the badge actually gives you a little discount on your subscription for being subscribed for years, but I think we all know it’s only going to be a cosmetic thing
If this change doesn't scream "we want more people to buy nitro", then I don't know what does.
me who only uses nitro mainly for external emojis
1:44 the rest 1% : 🗿😭
Your files are too powerful
Old Free Limit: 25MB
New Free Limit: 25MB
what an embarrassing typo lol
cap its its 25MB now
@@FloppyTheFloppahbecause they knew, they would lose a LOT OF money
@@ch4rliegaming cuh I'm going along with the typo joke
@@ch4rliegaminghow would they lose money?
Discord has so far been the only company that makes unnecessary changes and ends up affecting the user experience
We need to complain to be heard
As a personal matter, I will pay for Nitro when Discord stops making unnecessary changes
This is not the first time this has happened, and we need everyone's help
As a music producer, this file size change sucks. A lot of my audio samples exceed the 8MBs, and the 25MB limit helped me consistently share audio with others, even if it was lower quality formats.