I've ridden 250cc to 350cc dual sport bikes since 1975, when I wanted a light thumper ADV bike. We got ADV bikes in the 80s but only recently got small ADV bikes. I bought a G310GS for my 60th birthday and love it. The video is correct in stating they're in a class all their own. I appreciate the excellent road manners compared to my dual sport bikes, which were always dirt bikes with lights and mirrors. I'm gradually making the baby GS better for off road. I love the 34 HP 374 pound bike. I travel light and avoid highways so it's nearly perfect for me, but it needs a 5 gallon tank instead of 2.9 gallons. So far, the manufacturers insist on treating their small ADV bikes as beginner bikes, budget bikes, and bikes for the Asian market. Contrary to the manufacturers' intent, they're becoming hugely popular with people who have ridden for 50+ years and need a small fun bike to keep riding because a 1250GSA is too heavy for a 70 year old. The manufacturers need to make full featured small ADV bikes with large fuel tanks, as light as possible. They need to see them not as competion for their mid and large ADV bikes, but as upscale bikes that keep us riding when the big ADV bikes are too big. There are many younger riders who would also pay for an up scale small ADV bike because they'll go places the big bikes won't, yet they're much more comfortable for longer distance touring than a dual sport.
This is the exact video I need to show my wife. I once had a 1290 Super Adventure T MY2016 (I crashed it), and now I have a 790 Adventure R, while I have ordered a 250 EXC Six Days (will arrive in a couple months). So when I told my wife that I am interested in buying a 690 Enduro R, she replied, “What for?! You already got everything you need?!”. That’s when this video would play the part and speak for me…😅😅😅
Thanks for sharing, and great comparation, As an average rider I can take my old f800gs to fire roads, camp sites, etc.. but with my 690r I can play off road, it always wakes up childhood memories and man is hard to beat that feeling and in my own experience that's when off road becomes a sport to me
My entry level bike for Adventure riding was the KTM790 R loved the motor and capabilities for such a bigger style Offroad bike in fact I can imagine that the Duke is an absolute weapon in the right hands. Owning a 790R was a bit of a mistake because after riding and owning the 690R for a while I can't believe how much I love the 690 in fact the question is why the 790. Man the 690R to me is like the power of an open class motocrosser with the supreme stable handling of a KTM Dirtbike yes I'm a dual-sport rider through and through great comparo hope you didn't upset anyone 🤔😅😉🤪😁
Totally agree everything you said. I had a 2016 701 and now I have a 2019 701, and I've done a total of 45000km (combined) with those bikes. As much as i love the concept of a light, less powerful dual sport, I think its time for a heavier and more travel oriented Adventure bike (KTM 1190s). The marketing tries to convince us offroading a 500lbs bike its doable an enjoyable. It simply isn't.
I own a ZX14r. I will never part ways with it, but since I am able to ride again, an adv is my next addition to my bike family. I wouldn’t DI the things a dual sport could allow me to do, so the adv is the answer for me. I loved the video
As a non biker who is looking to get into riding, this has to be the best explanation of the differences between ADVs and Dual Sports I’ve seen yet (and believe me, as a newbie I’ve watched loads of YT vids hahaha). Not condescending but equally proving what I’ve seen in comments on other videos, namely that there are pretentious folks out there in the world and its just the same in the biking community hahaha. I was initially looking to get into to riding to one day have a Suzuki Hayabusa or a 1000 (or similar), but living near a major city in Europe means not only do we have loads of traffic but we also have lots of speed bumps and ‘average speed cameras’ (the latter located on many of our motorways). So then I thought, why not go for a 600, but then the same applies - where and how will I be able to make the most of it. I dont live near any race tracks - closest one is like 2 - 3 hours away (in my country that’s a huge time spent travelling - I mean if I was flying I could be in another country in that time lol) , so then I started looking at smaller bikes. Having messed around with my mates off road Kawasaki as a kid I thought maybe something small and light that I could easily flick around when filtering through traffic - but then fuel economy came into the equation - I plan to run mine for commuting (though wont need much in the way of panniers etc) and thats when ADVs popped up. Not being a fan of the modern love affair with retro cafe racers (you’d think coming from England I’d love all that, but the modern version all stinks a bit of a Channel perfume ad - you know the one, girl sprays on loads of smelly stuff, guy arrives looking like he’s straight from the 1950s, (minus the sexist attitude, alcohol problem and face like pebble dashing)…on a clean sleek cafe racer. She hops on and off they ride into oblivion….Most definitely not my cup of tea. Now I find myself looking at a simple 250 adv. Something small enough to keep up and pass traffic in a European city environment, comfortable enough that I can keep riding well past my 60s (I’m nearing the big 5-0 so this is part of the future planning lol) and something I won’t piss of the neighbours with. I’ve heard dual sports - great on a beach in the summer, rubbish at 5am in the morning when the whole neighbourhood wakes up because you have to get to work. As I said at the start of my ramblings, this is a great explanation and for someone like me, kind of vindicates me that I’m heading in the right direction when looking at what sort of bike to get. Nice one mate 👍👍😎
1 cyl , vs multi cyl's i think is the most defining spec but the dual sport/Adventure thing is and has always been a compromise as what works best off road VS whats best on road are usually the opposite , that being said as a long time dual sport/adv guy today we have more choices than i would have ever dreamed of back in the day
Back in the day, there were a lot of parallel twin dirtbikes. It wasn't until very very recently, that they started selling paralell twin dirtbikes in America again. Which makes no sense at all! I have always hated singles. I've ridden all the really nice high performance single cylinder dirtbikes and enduros, and I absolutely hate the sound and feel of a single. I feel like the solution has been there all along... Stop making singles! Take a look at the 1971 Honda SL350. At some point they got cheap and started making every bike into a single, assuming people wanted a beginners bike with a single on it.
So many great options for ADV twins. Just about every bike brand does one. But not many options for modern, six gear, fuel injector, low maintenance Dual Sports similar to the 690 or 701.
Couldnt agree more.. you have the ktm690, the 701 and the Pr7...thats it. Other than that you have fat cows and very few small displacement ones like the crf300L. We desperately need more 300-700cc dual sports
Nicely produced and well thought out video! Bikes are tools, and we are blessed to have so many tools available in our motorcycling toolbox. No one bike can do it all truly well of course. If one is going to strap a ton of sh%t to their bike, ride a lot of pavement and eventually reach two track hard pack dirt roads that one could drive a Toyota Camry down, then a large ADV is the way to go. To be honest, I am dumbfounded by people who put aggressive tires on large ADVs though. I love my Super Tenere, which has a Penske shock and re-sprung/re-valved forks, for touring, as it rides great on the highway and rough roads, it has cruise, and goes far on it's 6.1 gallon gas tank. I am not riding that 600 plus pound (before adding cargo) pig in anything resembling actual offroad though, regardless of what tires are on it. Ya, the Super T is not a "dirty" big ADV bike. Whatever, I wouldn't want to ride a big GS or 1290 on the trails I ride either. In contrast to the big touring ADV, we have dual sports. If one has the opportunity to be able to ride a day trip from their house down some curvy canyon roads to dirt trails that are rocky and otherwise challenging, then the 690 or even a Honda 300 type dual sport is a great way to go. Even among dual sports there is a significant variety of options. I have a Husky 701, which is a master of nothing, except fun, and man, is that bike fun, as it simply is naughty! Wheelies, going up and down stairs in closed business parks, general naughtiness is encouraged. I live in Colorado and along with the '14 Super Tenere with street tires on it and Husky 701 with more aggressive tires, I have a 300 XC, so I figure my MC needs are covered. Fortunately there are good riding opportunities all around me. I can't imagine riding even a smaller ADV like a T7, etc the way I want to ride when I hit the dirt. Even my 701 is a "lot" off road but I ride it more than a little like I ride my 300 XC, as much as I can get away with anyway. A smaller dual sport could be easier to deal with off road, but I like the big single's power and sound. What an engine, and it is surprising how much a 690 Enduro (or 701, same bike) lets one get away with wherever they happen to be riding. So, in summary, I get it, funds for bikes are limited for most of us. Do what you have to do, buy clean used bikes instead of shelling out a ton for a new big ADV. I paid 8K for my one owner clean used Super T, which came nicely pre-farkled. That was a great purchase as the bike works great and I was able to surround it with the 300 XC and 701. Own more than one motorcycle instead of trying to do it all on just one. More bikes are always better than less 😆
My philosophy is to use the lightest bike that will get the job done. It all depends on they type and speed of the roads you want to ride, and how much crap you feel the need to carry with you. When I bike travel I only carry one pair of shorts and sandals. Otherwise, I am in my riding gear.
I went from a Husqvarna Norden 901 to a KTM 690 Enduro R. Before the Norden I rode big BMW GSAs. I’ve got a lot to adapt to. But I love the 690 Enduro A LOT! ❤️
I have the lightest adventure bike that I could find. Great for the road and still manageable in tight situations. Versys-x 300 isn't an enduro but still a blast in any place I taker it
I can see how most of this works well. Although I’d argue that my klr simply is neither a dual sport or adv bike. It’s a two wheeled tractor with a mental condition.
I just got home from 2000km highway rally riding the enduro 690 with Harleys. My setup is a road tires front and back and a Zego Mundo pannier. It is indeed a lightweight bike but with all the luggage, it weights and handles almost like a 600 tenere or 800 gs. I got 210-250km gas mileage each stop. The only things that bother me is a wobbly steering at 160kmh and above (worse without crashguard and pannier), razor sharp seatings after hours of riding and a small windshield that flap my body and jacket. Its still fun and manageable ride. I quickly adjust my seat yeaterday with tighter foam and wider cushions (for 45usd) and i think thats it. But never mount any phones on the handlebar for high speed cruising as it damages the camera stabilizer sensor permanently. I never thought the 690 is capable fly like the gs on highway. Next setup probably a Kurakyn tour master speaker and a metal cup holder as the vibrarions breaks the plastic one. Btw, great explanation man.
Thanks, man! Glad to hear you survived your trip! I gotta say, though, 160 kmh is really pushing the limits for the 690. All I could suggest for the wobble is maybe getting a supermoto/SMC front fender that won't catch the wind as much.
My 2007 KTM 640 Adventure says "dual sport" on the tank graphics. 350 pounds, long service interval single cyl, 6.7 gallon fuel tank, high front fender, rough dirt road eater. The perfect machine for me. I'd replace it with newer machine but there's nothing like it made that I can find.
In your opinion, what is the perfect blend? In my opinion, having owned motorcycles all of my life, I think there is a simple solution: Stop making single cylinder motorcycles. If you just take any regular dirtbike, keep everything the same, but make it a parallel twin engine instead of a single. Maybe I'm over simplifying things. Putting a 6th gear overdrive, and giving a bike a parallel twin, would allow it to be driven long distances with much more comfort, and only slightly more weight. If you look at the Aprilia Tuareg 660 twin, that is the closest thing yet to a dirtbike with a parallel twin.
I think the 4xx series of bikes will be a good mix for and adv. I want an adv that can be safe at highway speeds, get out of the way when already going 70+mph, but also light enough to make it through a slick & muddy single track. If ktm takes the 4xxcc adv bike more seriously than the 390 we could be looking at a perfect middle ground contender.
Air filters and their accessibility are a difference between ADV and Dual-Sport. Dual-Sports will have a foam filter. And it will be easily accessible to be changed easily. And, I hate to say this, but 5 vice 6 gearbox.
There is no perfect motorcycle that's why I had two, my tiger 955 ADV and for the hardcore stuff a husky 610. Now I'm just a ADV dad with my tiger but I don't have any kids lol.
Just getting back into off-road bikes after 40 years of strictly on-road. When did dual sports become better in the dirt? Back in the day, they excelled at neither, but were definitely better on-road. So if you wanted to do both, but wanted a better dirt bike, you bought an enduro. Is this no longer the case?
I'm not sure how long ago "back in the day" is specifically, but bikes like the KTM 500 EXC or Honda CRF450L would probably fall into your idea of an Enduro as they're extremely offroad biased. However, I feel the concept of an Enduro falls within the category of Dual Sport.
Dual sport goes down single tracks and roads. Adv is better for 2 tracks and highways. I like old heirloom yellow apples. Better taste. I have an enduro and a adv. I won't want to ride my 2 stoke hours down the highway. My adv would be scary down a single track with 100 hp and 110 nm. But it will get me to camp down the 2 tracks. I ride a lot of dirt roads. The Buell is more fun on road and old 73 360 Enduro is more fun off road.
great definition, but has nothing to do with real life... so if i use my adv in a single track trail, what are the consequences? my point is what stopping someone from not following these GUIDELINES? nothing! but skill level.. they are not rules because if they are who is enforcing the "rules" i plan on zero commute, only ride distance off road, only use pavement to get to dirt, 1000 miles, on a ds you would have oil changes but doable, so you tell me what is best for that scenario?
400 pounds of weight... That's two EXC450's So you can have one EXC with supermoto wheels, a nice set of brakes and it beats all the adv's on asphalt. And the other one with a set of nice enduro tires, it kills al the adv's offroad. And if you have a little supermoto experience you can beat the adv's as well offroad with the supermoto tyres. Yesss.... I really like oranges, not really an apple fan, apples taste oranges badly. I choose orange :) If orange isn't available, red (GasGas) is cool as well, or white (Husky). Sorry, I'm a bit of an offroad addict, have been racing mx all my life, bit of supermoto. I'm not gonna ride a 400 pound obese bike ever :) Luckily we're not all the same, our differences in preferences is what makes this world exciting and amazing ♥
Nice explanation👍everyone needs one of each✌️
Indeed impressive explanation 👌🏾
I've ridden 250cc to 350cc dual sport bikes since 1975, when I wanted a light thumper ADV bike. We got ADV bikes in the 80s but only recently got small ADV bikes. I bought a G310GS for my 60th birthday and love it. The video is correct in stating they're in a class all their own. I appreciate the excellent road manners compared to my dual sport bikes, which were always dirt bikes with lights and mirrors. I'm gradually making the baby GS better for off road. I love the 34 HP 374 pound bike. I travel light and avoid highways so it's nearly perfect for me, but it needs a 5 gallon tank instead of 2.9 gallons. So far, the manufacturers insist on treating their small ADV bikes as beginner bikes, budget bikes, and bikes for the Asian market. Contrary to the manufacturers' intent, they're becoming hugely popular with people who have ridden for 50+ years and need a small fun bike to keep riding because a 1250GSA is too heavy for a 70 year old. The manufacturers need to make full featured small ADV bikes with large fuel tanks, as light as possible. They need to see them not as competion for their mid and large ADV bikes, but as upscale bikes that keep us riding when the big ADV bikes are too big. There are many younger riders who would also pay for an up scale small ADV bike because they'll go places the big bikes won't, yet they're much more comfortable for longer distance touring than a dual sport.
That guy who brought his T7 into an ocean of mud probably isn’t the sharpest.. 😁
Excellent video.
lol!
Thanks. You laid it out plain and simple for those just like me, new to adventure biking.
This is the exact video I need to show my wife. I once had a 1290 Super Adventure T MY2016 (I crashed it), and now I have a 790 Adventure R, while I have ordered a 250 EXC Six Days (will arrive in a couple months). So when I told my wife that I am interested in buying a 690 Enduro R, she replied, “What for?! You already got everything you need?!”. That’s when this video would play the part and speak for me…😅😅😅
Thanks for sharing, and great comparation, As an average rider I can take my old f800gs to fire roads, camp sites, etc.. but with my 690r I can play off road, it always wakes up childhood memories and man is hard to beat that feeling and in my own experience that's when off road becomes a sport to me
My entry level bike for Adventure riding was the KTM790 R loved the motor and capabilities for such a bigger style Offroad bike in fact I can imagine that the Duke is an absolute weapon in the right hands. Owning a 790R was a bit of a mistake because after riding and owning the 690R for a while I can't believe how much I love the 690 in fact the question is why the 790. Man the 690R to me is like the power of an open class motocrosser with the supreme stable handling of a KTM Dirtbike yes I'm a dual-sport rider through and through great comparo hope you didn't upset anyone 🤔😅😉🤪😁
Totally agree everything you said.
I had a 2016 701 and now I have a 2019 701, and I've done a total of 45000km (combined) with those bikes. As much as i love the concept of a light, less powerful dual sport, I think its time for a heavier and more travel oriented Adventure bike (KTM 1190s).
The marketing tries to convince us offroading a 500lbs bike its doable an enjoyable. It simply isn't.
I think this was a very reasonable way to differentiate the two types. Thanks for the info.
One of the best explained videos on the topic, at a short length too! Thanks for this.
I own a ZX14r. I will never part ways with it, but since I am able to ride again, an adv is my next addition to my bike family. I wouldn’t DI the things a dual sport could allow me to do, so the adv is the answer for me. I loved the video
I have the 1250GSA, now I am going to add a 690 for dual sport duties.
As a non biker who is looking to get into riding, this has to be the best explanation of the differences between ADVs and Dual Sports I’ve seen yet (and believe me, as a newbie I’ve watched loads of YT vids hahaha). Not condescending but equally proving what I’ve seen in comments on other videos, namely that there are pretentious folks out there in the world and its just the same in the biking community hahaha.
I was initially looking to get into to riding to one day have a Suzuki Hayabusa or a 1000 (or similar), but living near a major city in Europe means not only do we have loads of traffic but we also have lots of speed bumps and ‘average speed cameras’ (the latter located on many of our motorways). So then I thought, why not go for a 600, but then the same applies - where and how will I be able to make the most of it. I dont live near any race tracks - closest one is like 2 - 3 hours away (in my country that’s a huge time spent travelling - I mean if I was flying I could be in another country in that time lol) , so then I started looking at smaller bikes. Having messed around with my mates off road Kawasaki as a kid I thought maybe something small and light that I could easily flick around when filtering through traffic - but then fuel economy came into the equation - I plan to run mine for commuting (though wont need much in the way of panniers etc) and thats when ADVs popped up. Not being a fan of the modern love affair with retro cafe racers (you’d think coming from England I’d love all that, but the modern version all stinks a bit of a Channel perfume ad - you know the one, girl sprays on loads of smelly stuff, guy arrives looking like he’s straight from the 1950s, (minus the sexist attitude, alcohol problem and face like pebble dashing)…on a clean sleek cafe racer. She hops on and off they ride into oblivion….Most definitely not my cup of tea. Now I find myself looking at a simple 250 adv. Something small enough to keep up and pass traffic in a European city environment, comfortable enough that I can keep riding well past my 60s (I’m nearing the big 5-0 so this is part of the future planning lol) and something I won’t piss of the neighbours with. I’ve heard dual sports - great on a beach in the summer, rubbish at 5am in the morning when the whole neighbourhood wakes up because you have to get to work.
As I said at the start of my ramblings, this is a great explanation and for someone like me, kind of vindicates me that I’m heading in the right direction when looking at what sort of bike to get. Nice one mate 👍👍😎
1 cyl , vs multi cyl's i think is the most defining spec but the dual sport/Adventure thing is and has always been a compromise as what works best off road VS whats best on road are usually the opposite , that being said as a long time dual sport/adv guy today we have more choices than i would have ever dreamed of back in the day
Back in the day, there were a lot of parallel twin dirtbikes. It wasn't until very very recently, that they started selling paralell twin dirtbikes in America again. Which makes no sense at all! I have always hated singles. I've ridden all the really nice high performance single cylinder dirtbikes and enduros, and I absolutely hate the sound and feel of a single. I feel like the solution has been there all along... Stop making singles! Take a look at the 1971 Honda SL350. At some point they got cheap and started making every bike into a single, assuming people wanted a beginners bike with a single on it.
So many great options for ADV twins. Just about every bike brand does one. But not many options for modern, six gear, fuel injector, low maintenance Dual Sports similar to the 690 or 701.
Couldnt agree more.. you have the ktm690, the 701 and the Pr7...thats it.
Other than that you have fat cows and very few small displacement ones like the crf300L.
We desperately need more 300-700cc dual sports
@@OFFroadOFFcourse I have a 2021 KTM 690 and absolutely love it. But it would be great to see Yamaha, Suzuki or Honda make something similar. Cheers
1.8 gallon tank on the t-dub (Yamaha TW 200). 278 pounds and has a low-fender. We get our own sub-category: ag-bike!
Nicely produced and well thought out video! Bikes are tools, and we are blessed to have so many tools available in our motorcycling toolbox. No one bike can do it all truly well of course.
If one is going to strap a ton of sh%t to their bike, ride a lot of pavement and eventually reach two track hard pack dirt roads that one could drive a Toyota Camry down, then a large ADV is the way to go. To be honest, I am dumbfounded by people who put aggressive tires on large ADVs though. I love my Super Tenere, which has a Penske shock and re-sprung/re-valved forks, for touring, as it rides great on the highway and rough roads, it has cruise, and goes far on it's 6.1 gallon gas tank. I am not riding that 600 plus pound (before adding cargo) pig in anything resembling actual offroad though, regardless of what tires are on it. Ya, the Super T is not a "dirty" big ADV bike. Whatever, I wouldn't want to ride a big GS or 1290 on the trails I ride either.
In contrast to the big touring ADV, we have dual sports. If one has the opportunity to be able to ride a day trip from their house down some curvy canyon roads to dirt trails that are rocky and otherwise challenging, then the 690 or even a Honda 300 type dual sport is a great way to go. Even among dual sports there is a significant variety of options. I have a Husky 701, which is a master of nothing, except fun, and man, is that bike fun, as it simply is naughty! Wheelies, going up and down stairs in closed business parks, general naughtiness is encouraged. I live in Colorado and along with the '14 Super Tenere with street tires on it and Husky 701 with more aggressive tires, I have a 300 XC, so I figure my MC needs are covered. Fortunately there are good riding opportunities all around me.
I can't imagine riding even a smaller ADV like a T7, etc the way I want to ride when I hit the dirt. Even my 701 is a "lot" off road but I ride it more than a little like I ride my 300 XC, as much as I can get away with anyway. A smaller dual sport could be easier to deal with off road, but I like the big single's power and sound. What an engine, and it is surprising how much a 690 Enduro (or 701, same bike) lets one get away with wherever they happen to be riding.
So, in summary, I get it, funds for bikes are limited for most of us. Do what you have to do, buy clean used bikes instead of shelling out a ton for a new big ADV. I paid 8K for my one owner clean used Super T, which came nicely pre-farkled. That was a great purchase as the bike works great and I was able to surround it with the 300 XC and 701. Own more than one motorcycle instead of trying to do it all on just one. More bikes are always better than less 😆
My philosophy is to use the lightest bike that will get the job done. It all depends on they type and speed of the roads you want to ride, and how much crap you feel the need to carry with you. When I bike travel I only carry one pair of shorts and sandals. Otherwise, I am in my riding gear.
I went from a Husqvarna Norden 901 to a KTM 690 Enduro R. Before the Norden I rode big BMW GSAs. I’ve got a lot to adapt to. But I love the 690 Enduro A LOT! ❤️
Nice video, I like a good for road trips and some gravel Adv and a lightweight dual sport
Really well produced video. Good job man.
When subjective subjects are discussed, there are no wrong opinions about anything.
Thx for explaining for a newbie! Glorious Chad Bombadil avatar btw!
Spot on!
I have the lightest adventure bike that I could find. Great for the road and still manageable in tight situations. Versys-x 300 isn't an enduro but still a blast in any place I taker it
I can see how most of this works well. Although I’d argue that my klr simply is neither a dual sport or adv bike. It’s a two wheeled tractor with a mental condition.
I just got home from 2000km highway rally riding the enduro 690 with Harleys. My setup is a road tires front and back and a Zego Mundo pannier. It is indeed a lightweight bike but with all the luggage, it weights and handles almost like a 600 tenere or 800 gs. I got 210-250km gas mileage each stop. The only things that bother me is a wobbly steering at 160kmh and above (worse without crashguard and pannier), razor sharp seatings after hours of riding and a small windshield that flap my body and jacket. Its still fun and manageable ride. I quickly adjust my seat yeaterday with tighter foam and wider cushions (for 45usd) and i think thats it. But never mount any phones on the handlebar for high speed cruising as it damages the camera stabilizer sensor permanently. I never thought the 690 is capable fly like the gs on highway. Next setup probably a Kurakyn tour master speaker and a metal cup holder as the vibrarions breaks the plastic one. Btw, great explanation man.
Thanks, man! Glad to hear you survived your trip! I gotta say, though, 160 kmh is really pushing the limits for the 690. All I could suggest for the wobble is maybe getting a supermoto/SMC front fender that won't catch the wind as much.
@@doomermotorsports yeah, the stock fender flapping like crazy. Thanks man, ill check it out
@@MALBACHinc Phone mount with vibration damper might be an option
My 2007 KTM 640 Adventure says "dual sport" on the tank graphics. 350 pounds, long service interval single cyl, 6.7 gallon fuel tank, high front fender, rough dirt road eater. The perfect machine for me. I'd replace it with newer machine but there's nothing like it made that I can find.
It seems like there were a lot more interesting options back then.
Still waiting for more of the perfect blend of these!
In your opinion, what is the perfect blend? In my opinion, having owned motorcycles all of my life, I think there is a simple solution: Stop making single cylinder motorcycles. If you just take any regular dirtbike, keep everything the same, but make it a parallel twin engine instead of a single. Maybe I'm over simplifying things. Putting a 6th gear overdrive, and giving a bike a parallel twin, would allow it to be driven long distances with much more comfort, and only slightly more weight. If you look at the Aprilia Tuareg 660 twin, that is the closest thing yet to a dirtbike with a parallel twin.
@@Ritalie agreed
Test rode the T7 - too heavy off road and kinda boring on road. Great bike though. But I’ll pass on it for now.
Well explained in a compact way.
Keep up the great videos!
The footage at 0:44 to 0:52 looks like an area I've ridden near Wallhachin.
That had to be said.
You can mod a DR650 to be either. But it is technically a dual sport.
i’m in there
I hope you don't mind me borrowing some of your footage. I needed some 690 b-roll and you have some great videos!
@@doomermotorsports no worries pal 👍🏻
Good day sir.
In your opinion, which category would a Royal Enfield Scram 411 fall into?
A poor man's ADV perhaps?
I’ve got both, 1290 Super Adventure S and a 500 exc-f 👍🏻👍🏻
Not everyone can afford 30,000 dollars
I saved and payed my stuff off fast. You can afford it if you work as hard as I do.
Good video and explanation!
I think the 4xx series of bikes will be a good mix for and adv. I want an adv that can be safe at highway speeds, get out of the way when already going 70+mph, but also light enough to make it through a slick & muddy single track. If ktm takes the 4xxcc adv bike more seriously than the 390 we could be looking at a perfect middle ground contender.
It’s difficult to choose so I bought both lol. Ktm 1290 sar and Ktm 500 six days
But the 500 isnt a Dual Sport, it is a sportenduro/hardenduro
Air filters and their accessibility are a difference between ADV and Dual-Sport.
Dual-Sports will have a foam filter. And it will be easily accessible to be changed easily.
And, I hate to say this, but 5 vice 6 gearbox.
Great video
Thanks!
I feel like I need both
There is no perfect motorcycle that's why I had two, my tiger 955 ADV and for the hardcore stuff a husky 610. Now I'm just a ADV dad with my tiger but I don't have any kids lol.
Just getting back into off-road bikes after 40 years of strictly on-road. When did dual sports become better in the dirt? Back in the day, they excelled at neither, but were definitely better on-road. So if you wanted to do both, but wanted a better dirt bike, you bought an enduro. Is this no longer the case?
I'm not sure how long ago "back in the day" is specifically, but bikes like the KTM 500 EXC or Honda CRF450L would probably fall into your idea of an Enduro as they're extremely offroad biased. However, I feel the concept of an Enduro falls within the category of Dual Sport.
Dual sport goes down single tracks and roads. Adv is better for 2 tracks and highways. I like old heirloom yellow apples. Better taste. I have an enduro and a adv. I won't want to ride my 2 stoke hours down the highway. My adv would be scary down a single track with 100 hp and 110 nm. But it will get me to camp down the 2 tracks. I ride a lot of dirt roads. The Buell is more fun on road and old 73 360 Enduro is more fun off road.
great definition, but has nothing to do with real life... so if i use my adv in a single track trail, what are the consequences? my point is what stopping someone from not following these GUIDELINES? nothing! but skill level.. they are not rules because if they are who is enforcing the "rules" i plan on zero commute, only ride distance off road, only use pavement to get to dirt, 1000 miles, on a ds you would have oil changes but doable, so you tell me what is best for that scenario?
So is a wr450 a dual sport ? 🤔
I mean, it can be if you can get it plated.
Never knew Brendan Schaub was into bikes 😅
Nobody has ever made that comparison before. Not sure if I should be offended or not. lol
Nah he's pretty cool 😅🤙
400 pounds of weight... That's two EXC450's
So you can have one EXC with supermoto wheels, a nice set of brakes and it beats all the adv's on asphalt.
And the other one with a set of nice enduro tires, it kills al the adv's offroad.
And if you have a little supermoto experience you can beat the adv's as well offroad with the supermoto tyres.
Yesss.... I really like oranges, not really an apple fan, apples taste oranges badly. I choose orange :)
If orange isn't available, red (GasGas) is cool as well, or white (Husky).
Sorry, I'm a bit of an offroad addict, have been racing mx all my life, bit of supermoto. I'm not gonna ride a 400 pound obese bike ever :)
Luckily we're not all the same, our differences in preferences is what makes this world exciting and amazing ♥
Barely making it too 100……… xr650 😂
drz 400 over anything else period.
Tw200 is the truth