GIGANTIC UPDATE - we get our first COAL FIRED STEAM TRAIN | Railroads Online!
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2023
- @kANGaming and I do an overview of the new Coal Fired update in Railroads Online! Lots of neat things, a few things that are a little odd, but lots of nice changes overall.
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The et&wnc 2-8-0 has approximately 1200 hours of gameplay worth of coal in its tender. You’ll never have to fill it
Oh my god, that's why the level hasn't gone down for me in the tender.
That sounds stupid long. Wow
Yeah, not sure who did the math but I heard it has 6000 shovels worth of coal, each shovel burns for about 2 minutes. Could easily buy one early and never need a coal tower for it, especially since you can fill the tender from the coal mine directly
Edit: each shovel of coal burns for 12 minutes, not 2
Can I get that update for 491? It'd save us several thousand dollars....
@@Hyce777 if you did it would need to recalculate and the mesh would end up below the floor so you couldn't use the last 200 scoops
Fun fact: in the ‘70’s there was a coal hauling railroad in Ohio that had two fully automated trains, and they were electric also. The railroad was two reverse loops connected to each other, with one reverse loop at the mine and the other at the power plant. The railroad used two GE E33C’s to power the two coal trains and they ran 24/7. Unfortunately, the railroad no longer exists. There was a Trains Magazine article about the railroad also.
That's actually hella cool!
What's was it called?
@@yelloweyeball I can’t remember the name of the railroad off the top of my head, but the electric locomotives were painted red with a large white stripe. Edit: I remember the name: Muskingum Electric Railroad. It also started in 1968 and ended in 2002 and was the first automated railroad in the U.S. The locomotives weren’t GE E33C’s but E50C’s. The mine also used the largest dragline ever built “Big Muskie” to mine the coal. Both Big Muskie and the Muskingum Electric Railroad have their own Wikipedia articles. Big Muskie was built by Bucyrus-Erie and was completely scrapped in 1991 except it’s massive bucket, which is on display at Miners’ Memorial Park in Bristol, Ohio.
Wikipedia says E50Cs but cool nonetheless.
Only in Ohio
Two fun facts. The British replica steam engine Tornado has balanced drive wheels. Because the wheels were cut on a giant cnc machines instead of cast they are precisely weighted. Because of that the engine has virtually no hammer impact on the rails. And for fun fact the second Jay Leno holds the record for the oldest car to get a speeding ticket with. He did it in a 1909 Stanley steamer. He was going 70 in a 35 zone.
I believe there's a number of American locomotive reconstruction projects that may be doing the exact same thing as the tornado. The T1 5550 project most likely is, and with how the class of locomotive was theorized to possibly be capable of 140mph I'd say it's pretty important to have
I am fairly certain that Tornados wheels were cast in the traditional manner, but modern tech means it is very well balanced. They are doing the same now with the P2.
I always thought the hammer was from the pistons not the balance of the wheels
On the topic of autonomous railroads, here in Brazil MRS logística, a mainly iron ore hauling railroad, has a 15km stretch of mainline where the trains are remote controlled due to the fact that stretch is in the danger zone of a tailings dam, so before the train reaches the red zone the enginner disembarks and goes to a "remote control station" on the overnight stop, where he controls the train via radio, 4G internet and GPS until it's clear of the red zone, at which point another engineer boards the train to proceed with the trip.
something I find funny about the wheels locking when braking is how engines without compressors can still pull through their brakes without unlocking the wheel animation, leading to the engine power sliding down the line.
10/10 traction simulation
That black with red lining on the tweetsie 2-8-0 really gives me serious southern railway/southern 630 vibes. That just makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside, and humid.
(Read the replys I am kind of an idiot the people in the replys know way more than I do) The whole reason why the tweety really existed was because it was linking 2 parts of the Southern railroad together. This was before we really started figuring out with Southern how to effectively move through the mountains. And with tweets in everything allowed the main goods was a mixture of lumber passenger and heavy material AKa stone and ore. As a result Southern went to the big towns and tweetsy service all the in between all the small towns built into Hollers and valleys. So Southern Went up the Eastern and Western side of smokies and tweety along with the couple others essentially serviced between those 2 sets Ralls depending On where the freight and goods need to get to. Southern eventually got tired of being nickeled and dimed and just built their own railroad through the mountains eventually.
tweetsie existed before the southern. it was made to serve mines in north carolina.
It connects with Southern at Johnston City, but not anywhere else. The ET&WNC was its own thing, if it was a SOU connection the line would’ve been around longer.
Oh wow! That's really cool. Never knew that history. Makes sense, and thank you for sharing!
@@greatsmokymtnsrailfan I thought it connected at Asheville as well. A new bout of connected in Johnson City and it used to run through Elizabethon and a couple other small towns in that area.
@@jamesbuckner4791 No. The route only ran from Johnston City (TN) to Boone (NC). Fun fact: Before the narrow gauge existed the ET built a short section of broad gauge somewhere in Tennessee. It might have been where the narrow gauge was eventually built.
As an ET&WNC fan, I couldn’t be happier to see some Tweetsie representation. (Still praying for a Tweetsie 4-6-0 soon.)
There also was a manufacturer called Doble. Those cars were ready to drive in about 30 seconds from cold, could travel around 400 - 500 miles with one tank of gas and the water lastet for about 2400 miles. It had over 1000 foot-pounds of torque and could reach 70 mph in around 10 seconds.
Btw. I really like those vids. Greetings from Germany 👋🏻
that seems incredibly efficient even compared to modern vehicles
@@whatusernameis5295 big big gas tank.
Jay leno has a great video on the doble E-20 its such a great old car!!
And started in only a few minutes with just a turn of the key.
There is a great vid with jay Leno's guarage about the doble
when hyce started talking about "dead reckoning" it reminded me of the meme where the guy says "The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't" and keeps talking about the math and physics of the missle knowing where it is or isnt.
21:35 if you look under the ET boiler between the 2nd & 3rd drivers there is a floating hand valve. 😆
Handvalve, IN SPAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCEEEE!
Hyce with kAN vs Hyce with Railroad friends are two different people lol. About the chime, I feel like the intervals between each note are weird which is why it sounds weird to us. I'd have to sit at the piano more but I think at full till it's D & F which, with overtones, creates a funky minor third that definitely feels off compared to some of the other whistles that are major fifths. Thanks for the continued knowledge and the fun video!
For your operations with these larger locomotives it might be time soon to start putting together their consists with shunters so that you get around that problem of it being hard to see the cargo when loading ^^ maybe even the same deal for unloading too
Would also mean of course that you have a reason again to use smaller shunters and creates a more interesting dynamic for the railroad
Literally have Betsy's doing that at smelter cause cordwood is 3 at a time
@@CoryAY82383 moreso meant just everywhere they plan to use this new powerful loco and similarly powerful ones, not just specific places like they've already done, because as we can see here when the trains start to get this long it proves to be more and more challenging to load them. And it's really pretty common practice to prepare loads on an adjacent line to the main line for a main line locomotive to just hook up and pull away with it.
in the process of rebuilding all my yards for this i find groups of 6 cars are best
@stuChris yes I'm playing with ideas elsewhere but smelter was my start. Next one easily is refinery with those stub tracks
@pubbarian I like 6 car groups, especially when I play solo all the time.
Speaking of deer and safety. When I was in the Marines some dear would get onto the airforce base where I was completing some training. A group of us were able to surround the deer and wrap it in safty reflective belts (glow belts). For some reason, they figured out that it was the Marines. and banned Marines from buying the glow belts.
Goodfellow AFB? Yeah lol, they figured it out because some Fire Dog left his name on one 🤣😂 at least that's what I've been told 😅
@Chael Skupa
Ya Goodfellow lol. I can't say I'm too surprised that one of us left our name on it lol.
Watching this video after seeing the Hyce Live stream of the update is genuinely hilarious; complete tonal whiplash. Great content as always, keep it coming.
If only Kume was smart enough to let two of those locos knuckle in.
For the EBT hopper, only holding 8 iron compared to 10 coal is much more protoypical than the original hopper since iron would weigh out befire it cubes put long before coal would in the same space. In the standard gauge world, general hopper cars that would normally be filled to the top with coal wouldn't be loaded as fully when loaded with iron ore.
As far as speedometers go, in my knowledge they were usually put on the last axel of the tender for steam. Logic was similar to a Class 3 AB test; if the last one works, they all work/doing the same thing. It measured the axel because that would stay the same no matter what happened to the tire, that way as the tire got smaller, it still read you were doing a higher speed, turning into a safety. No matter what, as long as your speedometer read less than or equal to trackspeed, it was slower than actual, and therefore safer
Having watched the stream where you were so livid with the engines and sheds in the new update, it's funny to see you kinda indifferent at this point xD. Also, kan said you can't have a full size layout in your back yard, clearly he didn't know about Walt Disney's friend and employee ward kimbell, who had a full size narrow gauge engine and track in his backyard.
First reaction and looking at all the things vs. specifically not looking at the things that made me mad so I don't have to punch down... It was calculated, lol.
@Hyce yeah, probably for the best for your sanity lol xD. Also, speaking on the speedometer conversation, as long as the tire is the same diameter as the old one, you can change the size of the rim without having to adjust the speedo.
i suddenly have an intense need for a narrow gauge line in my backyard.
Is that stream available as a VOD?
For speedos on any steam engine, it depends on the railroad (Railway everywhere else). For the GWR Locos, the speedo is tied to the rear rod of the rear drive wheel on the driver's side (Get yourself the Cathedral to see what I'm talking about) And some railways did that as it easier to read off the rear drive wheel's rod rather than the tyre on the wheel. Some tyres would be thicker or thinner and throw the reading off. Another thing too is that speedos were called "An Inspector's Lapdog" by some crews because an inspector would often use the speedo to get the truth of how fast they were going by using the pin that holds the needles to the gauge backhead. If the pin was smoothed out or looked ready to snap-that told the inspector that the crew often went above the speed limit.
As for The Mason Bogie, the one in game is a freight version of the 2-6-6T Mason Bogies built for passenger traffic. There were ones built for freight and they were 2-8-6Ts, which would be absolutely chunky, yet they could handle the same weight trains as the Tweetsie's 2-8-0s without the need of a tender.
As for the reason for tank engines, it was useful in places where carrying a tender is considered extra weight and why carry extra weight when you could turn that tender into an extra car or two of profit? (Plus it allows for them to more easily to negotiate the yards without derailing or jackknifing a tender or having the tender basically be a sandwiched ping pong ball that could easily break a coupling, put cars or the locomotive on the ground or even snap away.
And onto the topic of PTC. That system has actually been around since 1905. The Great Western Railway in the UK adopted PTC, but it was called ATC (Automatic Train Control) and the it became AWS (Automatic Warning System) then TPWS (Train Protection and Warning System) and now PTC. The way it worked is that there was a magnetic ramp inbetween the rails and there was a magnetic shoe beneath the locos. When the shoe connected with the ramp and the signal was green, a bell rang, letting the crew know that a signal was clear. However, at caution/danger/diverging signals or any form of a signal against the train or under repair, a klaxon would sound, alerting the crew to an adverse signal. Crews on GWR Locos had a box with a bell/klaxon horn in the cab and had to turn a lever to acknowledge the signal. After five minutes, the brakes came on and wouldn't release the brakes until the train came to a full stop. It was a way to keep the crew from trying to run through a signal or into a collision. However, the whole deal with PTC, it started on the old Minehead Mineral Railway and the guy who invented ATC had such confidence in the system that he had two crews take two engines and run them towards each other crewless and the system caught them and brought them to a halt without them colliding.
On the subject of the cars carrying lesser amounts, it's a case of "Get it moving faster". Sure, your carrying less, but you're still moving that load faster. As for the new cars:
The Coffin Tank car is actually heavier than the normal tanker when the normal tanker has the full 12 units of oil in it, also, it can carry the remnants of crude oil without wasting a normal tanker
The Skeleton Log Cars are a bit lighter, but you can run them with Betsy in groups of ten (on the flat)
The Stock Car could be useful as a replacement for boxcars if you want to give the boxcars time off of service.
The EBT Coal hopper may carry less iron ore, but it's good for taking the last bits of ore instead of wasting a bigger hopper
The EBT Hopper and Coffin tanker are the very essence of "Cleaning Up the leftovers" while the skeleton log car is the essence of "Sacrifice for the greater good" and the stock car is the essence of "Make do and mend"
I'd like to see something for the boxcar/cattle car-carrying mixed goods. It'd be nice to have both cars carrying refined oil, tools, lumber and whatever other freight we're going to be getting in future.
The new tankers also don’t propel themselves across the map at the speed of light when you try to rerail them 😂
I like the Ruby because it looks very similar to a locomotive built by Baldwin for a railway in the uk. It was named lyn and worked on the lynton and Barnstaple railway in North Devon and though it was scrapped in 1935 a new build was made in the UK for the lynton and Barnstaple heritage railway which runs a short section of track on the old route.
Kan laughs at the Western North Carolina, but as someone who was born and grew up in Western NC, then moved to Eastern NC I can say they are pretty different halves of a state 😂
(Also can't wait for the "real" Tweetsie engine I grew up seeing to be in the game, the 4-6-0 no. 12)
after gravity rolling 40 coal filled hoppers down a 1.5 grade it still took ET&WNC with both heisler and climax to go back up and reasonable speed.
I guess in theory if you cut the axles and move the wheels you could run a 3-ft train on a 15-in gauge. You might need some outriggers to stabilize the engine though 😁
regauging is a thing, cutting the gauge in half might be a bit much, but you could take something like a 3 foot locomotive and make it 2 foot.
The Stanley Steamers were invented in Maine, actually, and were quite useful, before gas cars became more accessible. It first started with the horseless carriage, then moved onto cars themselves. They operated I believe similar to a steam loco, but instead of wood or coal they did use oil, and plenty of water for the said steam. One of the brothers went on to found the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, Colorado, where he actually felt it easier for him to breathe up there due to TB (And he drove up there from Maine in one of his vehicles) and the hotel itself led Stephen King to write the Shining.
His brother, unfortunately, died from an accident with his own car, from what I heard.
If anyone's curious, the Stanley Steamer Museum in Kingfield, Maine, is always open to welcoming new and curious visitors. My camp is nearby there, so I always enjoy going there. I even got to sit in one of the stationary vehicles. Jay Leno is actually a member as well, he's got his own Stanley Steamer.
Fun fact! Southern 630 worked on the ET&WNC after the end of steam on the southern. She was renumbered to 207 and there are quite a few pictures of her painted up in ET&WNC colors. There’s one particular image of her with a green fireless engine which also belonged to the railroad. She was numbered 1, and is also still around today on display in Elizabethton TN where #1 and #630 worked together. I’ve been fortunate to see both locomotives in person, and it makes me very happy they are both still around.
I don't think the fireless engine belonged to the ET&WNC. It belonged to the North American Rayon Corporation plant that was serviced by the ET&WNC. But, yes, the two of them worked together, since the #1 would handle moving the cars within the plant and bringing them out to the interchange for the #630 to pick up and drop off.
(Of course, this was all on the standard-gauge part of the ET&WNC.)
I am lucky to have 630 only a half hour drive away from where I live at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum. I have also seen the fireless steam engine you’re talking about in Elizabethton, Tennessee. It is in a small roadside park under an awning with what appears to be a narrow gauge boxcar and caboose. The interchange between the standard gauge Tweetsie and the North American Rayon Corporation was at the time the last place you could see two steam-powered railroads interchanging with each other in America. Also at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum, we have Central of Georgia Alco RS-1 # 109, one of two Alco RS-1’s the Southern traded the Tweetsie for Southern 630 and 722.
Here are some things y’all missed. 1) the new hopper is a belly-dump, that is the hopper you use for the coal towers. 2) on the coffin tanker, their is a little spill on the deck by a front valve. 3) y’all can use the 3-way stub switch for the spawning lanes. Hope y’all read this.
As a mechanical engineering student, it's nice to hear Hyce and Kan talk about engineering stuff.
The old steam lorries (trucks) built in England such as the Super Sentinel and the more modern speed 6 and speed 12 are really neat vehicles.
The Foden C-type is a beauty too!
58:45 if the sensor is using a roller running on the outside of the driver to measure speed, it actually doesn't matter what the diameter of the driver is, only the sensing roller. The surface speed of the driver at the roller is the same as that of the driver at the rail, so it is (mathematically) equivalent to the sensing roller riding directly on the rail.
wow you guys are on sync with the update already. your lead time is caught up!
We knew when the update was this go around, so we knew to not record in advance, lol!
@Hyce congrats on catching up! It's neat that you're playing ahead of me for once. I haven't had time to play yet this week.
Other fun fact about encoders. If you use a straight binary encoding (000, 001, 010, 011, 100, etc) you can get errors where a two (or more) bits change at the same time during a carry (e.g. 011 to 100 has three changing bits.) Since the code wheel has some physical tolerance to it, the bits would never change exactly at the same time and thus you can read halfway around the code wheel for a split second as you make a transition. Therefore encoders use what's called "Gray code," which is a binary number where only one bit ever changes at the same time. A three-bit Gray Code would look like 000, 001, 011, 010, 110, 111, 101, 100, back to 000.
Some (most) encoders don’t use a binary code (absolute position) they usually use quadrature encoding where it can tell the speed and (optionally) direction using 1 or 2 sensors and a slotted wheel (similar to how old mice work or a scroll wheel work) depending on what order the pulses come in you can tell direction (needs 2 sensors) and number of pulses for speed/distance. You usually need a "reference point" either a hard stop or an interrupter/end limit switch to zero the motor if you want absolute measurements though (the reason printers etc ram it’s head to one side)
@@williefleete Quadrature encoding is the same thing as a 2-bit Gray code ;)
The deer running in the gauge is familiar, but in my case it’s even dumber. It seems every time I spook a squirrel in a trolley, it runs away ON TOP OF THE RAIL. Look, acorn-brains, if you just get off the slippery steel, then I can’t hurt you! Somehow, I have yet to actually hit one.
Lol - we have the same problem with bunnies out here at the museum. I have unfortunately hit one...
I bough the Tweetsie as my _third_ locomotive! The second is my Heisler, which I used to go through the whole chain: logs to sawmill, beams and lumber to iron ore mine, cordwood to smelter, iron ore to smelter, rails and beams to coal mine, coal to iron works, raw iron to ironworks, lumber to ironworks, tools and steel pipe to oilfield, beams to oilfield, crude oil to refinery, steel pipe to refinery, lumber to refinery, and refined oil barrels to freight depot. Now I don't need to get a run at the 3% slope to the refinery with six loaded tankers to make it though! But I do need to actually regulate the speed or I will (and have) derail(ed) cars (Heisler is not fast enough to derail cars).
The EBT had a standard gauge switcher (0-6-0) that was stationed at Mount Union. It had a similar triple coupler setup, but with knuckle couplers and upside down compared to the Deadwood 2-8-0t (since it was standard gauge). So it could shift the EBT narrow gauge hoppers and the standard gauge PRR hoppers they would be trans-loading.
A fun story about running without knuckle pins. I was working the yard a couple weeks ago and we had to add a cut of cars and a unit to the tail end of a manifest train. When I was riding the point back to the joint I noticed there was no knuckle in the tail end car, no big deal, get a knuckle off the engine and put it in. Well the lifter pin underneath the coupler was broken, and we had no knuckle pin. So we had to play with it until we got the guts rearranged inside, put the knuckle in, and hold up the broken innards all at once (thank god we had a TM, the conductor, and myself as brakeman since it really was a 3 man job). Got it together, set up the DP and sent it off. Train made it to Toronto no issues and presumably repairs were made there. Although I don't envy the carman who had to uncouple that thing, we kinda just had to shove everything in so it would lock.
Goddamn Hyce, I needed this today, 2nd day back after a week off work and I'm already ready to give up and play trains
I honestly hope that you and kan continue to make videos together, you make a great team.
Steam powered road engines were pretty common in the UK until around the 1930s, with steam wagons/lorries being a rather big thing. In terms of cars, I believe a manufacturer called White specialized in steam cars in the early 20th century, and I think there was even a racecar in the 10s or 20s running on steam. Jay Leno has showcased a number of steam road engines if I remember correctly
I rather like Tweetsie. kAN's switchback seems to be getting a lot of use these days. Also. @kANGaming I've got two engineering degrees (materials science) and the conversation about matrix transformations and encoders made my brain explode. I've concluded that electrical and robotics engineers really do work black magic. Seriously though, love listening to y'all talk about this and that. Thank you!
PS. How did Tweetsie not get flipped over as the welcoming ritual for a new locomotive on the CR&P?
PPS. Hyce my man, I watched the entire livestream replay. The contrast is..... contrasty. 😂
Behold, first reactions, vs trying to omit the things that make me mad so I don't have to talk about them.
@@Hyce777 Well that was an epic round of dodging. After watching both, this nonrailroader (and trained metallurgist, although I don't work as one) would appreciate a Couplers 101 video. #justanideamaybe thanks!
Fun fact about steam powered road vehicles. The British produced a number of steam trucks up until the 1950's! This was done under the brand name sentinel, with their most powerful trucks operating at safe pressures in excess of 200PSI, and some of their higher end models capable of maintaining 250PSI as standard. Across the board most were capable of maintaining speeds of 40MPH with bursts of 60MPH. But the last order for sentinel was made by an Argentinian coal mine between 1949 and 1956, with the last sentinel steam truck being produced in 1956 followed by the companies closure.
The mason bogies where part of a branch of locomotive design that lead to the incredibly successful Beyer garratts which were mostly used In South Africa, Australia, India, Wales, and South America
13:28 Here in Michigan we have a mason bogie 0-6-4T the "Torch Lake" that runs at the Henry Ford Museum and it is the last of its kind, I must say it's Definitely interesting to see it operate and and truly a wonderful experience to ride behind it.
So “Full steam ahead” or, in later US Navy Service “Ahead full” was a specific position on the Engine Order Telegraph which commanded engineering to produce power for a pre-defined speed. It was not in fact the maximum speed of the vessel, which would be ordered by “Ahead Flank” (and even that wasn’t usually the true top speed, if the Captain really needed it the engineers almost always knew ways to get more performance from the engines, at the cost of longevity.)
Fun fact, the US Navy continues to operate steam powered vessels. 2 Blue Ridge Class Amphibious Command Ships, 6 Wasp Class Amphibious Assault Ships.
Don't know if this is still the case, but railroads used to require crews to do a check mile early in their run. Basically you time how long it takes to go a mile and cross reference it to the speedometer.
You guys should buy some of the early game cars and leave them around the map to fill up yards, give more car diversity and create some ‘decommissioned’ rails just to add some eye candy
Hey hyce you should try the old pirates trick when shoveling coal at night. Wear an eye patch. They used those eyepatchs so that 1 eye would always have night vision for when they went below deck
Tweetsie is just up the mountain from me (about an hour drive) and I had no idea until watching this video that it was narrow gauge track. Really interesting to see a train very similar to Tweetsie in the game... and yes Kan, there is a difference between Western NC and the rest of the state. Don't get us started about bbq!
Title: coal loco.
First thing I notice: the grass is new. Oohhh pretty flowers
They must’ve used a sample from tweetsie railroad itself cause it sounds exactly like how it does I’m from the East Tennessee region and seeing my areas history shows warms my heart
I show my friends your k37 kitchen videos they said you should sell the food cooked in the locomotive:)
I fear the production rate would make that prohibitively expensive, not to mention food safety laws...
@@Brok3nC4rrot not if you make everyone sign a waiver
Granddad told me a story about the Pittsburg, Shawmut & Northern RR. They had been leasing some hopper cars from the Erie, and they had to return them. Locomotive #80, a 2-10-0 originally built for Russia (known to the crews as "that damn bolshevik") was given the job. Problem was, #80's air pump was deficient/defective. The engineer couldn't build up enough air to release the brakes on the hoppers. He finally said "(bleep) it!" and just dragged the empty hoppers over to the Erie siding with the wheels locked. I bet the Erie car shop crew weren't happy about a whole string of hoppers with flat-spotted wheels.
I'm related to the people that owned the White steam car company, we made the first automobile in the white house fleet.
Cars like Stanley's, White's and Dobles use pressurized kerosene or diesel for fuel while Steam trucks like Sentinels used coal and had two man crews.
1:21:18 I usually watch the video on kAN's channel - but boi seeing this steam locomotive steaming in the snow is such a romantic scenery.
Just in case no one has mentioned in the comments, when y’all talked about the steam powered car company named Stanley Steamer,in the Pixar Cars movie the old model T car named Lizzie had a husband (the statue McQueen torn up the road with) was named Stanly after a stanly steamer car and he was a steam powered car that set up shop at “radiator springs” because he ran on water and it was available, there’s a Cars short on Disney+ that tells the whole story
"You grab the shaft and you're yankin' on it"
-Hyce, 2023
Tweetsie’s a pretty engine! By pure coincidence I went with those exact options when buying mine, I always preferred a more modern look to steam locomotives and it’s nice to get that option in game (I’m a transition era foamer so go figure)
Funny you mention flat spots… Passenger trains get em too! I once rode a northeast regional with a flat spot, I heard nothing but solid machine gun noises for 7 hours straight… I had headphones thankfully, I wouldn’t be so salty if I didn’t board it at 5 in the morning and wanted to catch some Zs
Don't forget that Tweetsie the tourist outfit is the modern day inheritor of Porter and still provides factory support for later Porter engines.
You can actually throw the harp by standing on the front buffer beam. Sometimes when I’m switching with the Porter, I just lean out the appropriate window, hold down the left mouse button, and make micro adjustments over the harp until it throws.
Speedo is usually taken off the output shaft of the transmission in a car, in a front wheel drive off the sun gear in the transaxle
Shay suggestion: buy a few shays and number them x-1,x-1,x-2,x-3,x-5 etc.
DP shays hauling 100 cars is the idea
Fun fact about speedometers on steam: the british rail 9Fs - 2-10-0 freight engines built from 1954 to 1960 to haul slow, ridiculously heavy trains on demanding routes, and thus built without speedometers because why bother - were also frequently used to cover gaps in the rosters on passenger trains.
Since they didn't have a speedometer, the drivers just drove as fast as the engines felt safe. On one occasion a passenger decided to time the run, and determined twice that they exceeded 90mph, which the driver was completely unaware of until he was told later. As I've heard the story, and the same is said on the 9Fs' wikipedia page (where I went to double check the numbers and a few other details), he was told he was only expected to keep time, "not break the bloody sound barrier!"
"you grab the shaft and you are yanking on it" 💀💀💀
Never expected to hear that in RO
Phrasing.... Lol
The Ruby basin was also used to develop the victorian Railways NA class 30 inch gauge tank engines
On the whole counterweight discussion, I believe I've heard that the way to make minor adjustments is to change how much lead gets added inside of the counterweight. If the wheel was balanced but the lead wasnt enough to completely fill the voids, then sand was used to fill the remaining space.
I've heard the same, but that's "on construction" - not anything to do with re tiring or anything.
the Mason Bogie type were popular in early Elevated Railroads as the loco could handily tolerate tight curves often found on Elevated Railroads.
change the paint on some of the cars for some extra character. railroads often used whatever paint they had on hand to paint freight cars.
Seconded! Different orders of freight cars probably shouldn't match - a narrow guage outfit spending everything on track probably has to take whatever paint color the factory has open that week.
I can see hyce building his own steam train lol
He should get involved with a new build project
Let’s just say he has some plans for building a life size Montazuma (probably spelled like that)
Dear Editor,
I like trains kid was perfect and I hope Hyce laughed at it when he saw it.
15:26 mark of video in Glenbrook
1:20 Someone needs to tell kAN that Walt Disney build an entire theme park in Anaheim California to have a place to put his 3ft narrow gauge railroad. Don't be a dream crusher.
Hyceland coming soon to Reykjavik. (Hyceland, Iceland)
ET&WNC 2-8-0 is kinda old as there was a earlier one. it was ET&WNC #3 "Unaka". which was scrapped in 1911.
to add on. only engine of ET&WNC 3 foot that survives is a 10 wheeler, ET&WNC #12, which had a whistle which was a 3 chime and the cap was common thing on there engines
2-8-0's were all scrapped by 1940's.
#12 resides at Blowing Rock, NC with another engine, a Ex. WP&Y 2-8-2 #190 which runs on small loop of track, here is link to #12 running : ruclips.net/video/J_87HpOipMY/видео.html
welcome back to another episode of "kAN asks a question and Hyce responds 'It depends'"
I think here in the UK we have a requirement that mainline steam is fitted with aws/tpws (our version of something like ptc) so we just had to deal with fitting it and had things like an extra crank on one driver to allow a point to mount a Speedo and stuff, at least as far as I know
i love that whistle. The only one better ive heard is the bigboys whistle
I lived in south Dakota for 12 years. So much neat railroad history in the black hills. The deadwood central roundhouse still survives. Along with a original Loco. And when the black hills central railroad ( now the 1880 train ) started with duel gauge with excursions. There are some photos of narrow gauge trains running next to standard gauge equipment
44:52 waiiit those are counter weights?!? I thought it was structural stability XD and seeing some scrap machanic builds and other art and fan made things i thought they all had it on the wrong side and it was a small pet peev i had as a kid thinking they didn’t attach the traction rods on the flat looking spot that looks like it was supposed to be built on XD
Glad to know i still have more train info to soak up!
In the age of steam locomotives, it was rather rare for steam locomotives to have a speedometer, with several railroads never installing them unless mandated by the government
For example, the Pennsylvania never installed them, hence the contested claim that the T1s could break 140 on flat ground with no reliable recorded source other than engineer hearsay.
Most engineers were experienced enough that once railroads started implementing them en mass, the engineers still used the old methods (milestone + watch, sound of locomotive chuffs, telephone polls per minute, etc)
Makes you wonder how fast the streamlined speed locomotives of the 1930s-40s were actually going, doesn't it?
Been to Tweetsie a lot when I was a kid, had the train run over a penny, nice to see the engine again, I haven't been there in a long time!
I just worked up to the 7000 dollar engine today, been loving it! Hoping I can get some coal going before the hopper runs out! 😂 also, the 2-8-0 coal engine will pull 8 cars loaded with lumber and the class 48 engine (not assisting) up a 5+% grade. Pretty impressive!
@hyce timetabled freight trains in the days before electric lighting generally were scheduled to depart major shippers in the early evening, so that they could have daylight for the loading and unloading of the cars. But then, as you noted: extra trains were super common, and ran when they needed to run. And most mine tipples were just fine loading at night, but docks and things that required a lot of labor generally weren't. Lumber, sacks of grain, etc... really needed daylight to load or unload.
Here is a railway story i learned
"So whats your name?" Asked the train driver
"Charlie sir"
"I don't address my fireman by there Christian names son. Give me your surname."
"Darling sir."
"Ok, Charlie, start shoveling."
I was in Alaska a few years back and looking out the window of the Alaskan Railroad between Fairbanks to Talkeetna the number one thing you see are Moose carcasses.
Even with the noise of a diesel engine and such the moose still try to challenge a train periodically.
Hyce: we've had flatspots at the museum.
Me: looks at stromboli
As much as I'd love to pin more shit on him, no unfortunately
@@Hyce777 lol
On the steam car comment, there were many steam powered automobiles in the late 19th and early 20th century. Stanley and White were the two most famous, and marketed the steam car as a safer alternative to the gas car, as well as a more reliable and longer range vehicle than the electric. Remember at the time, many homes used boilers for heat, and the technology was well known and understood. Those who could afford a car, could also largely afford to pay someone to care for it, as the concept of an "everyman's car" was not really developed until the Ford Model T. Fun Fact! One of the first (if not THE first) Presidential automobile, was a White Steam car.
Saw the tweetsie represented in other videos and had to come back to the episode where it was talked about. I used to go to Tweetsie Railroad all the time as a kid, so seeing one represented in game took me by surprise.
1:30, no no no, what you do is: you go to the national park service, and convince them to let you build a sight-seeing railroad in a national park or recreational area, then you go ham laying a several mile railroad and building full size replicas of extinct D&RGW equipment and running it
My family has a house on the mountain across the road from the tweetsie tourist stuff nowadays, and whenever id be there the whistle whenever they set off was cool to hear but Its cool to hear backstory about cause ive never done much research
3:27 giggity
I learnt so much in this episode. It was really nice to just have a coffee and listen to all of your expertise. Thanks :)
Tweetsie originally ran her Baldwin 3 chime(best sounding whistle period) I'm not shure but maybe the in game whistle could be based off 190 the Yukon queen since she's from the Yukon and brought to NC as a back up for number 12 . The 3 chime was the stander on the east coast narrow gage.
I did some digging on what the walthers tower is based on, Its based on a CB&Q small coaling tower from the twenties (Acording to Walthers)
Ah cool, good to know it has a prototype.
My hometown had one of those saddle ride trains. There was always a flatcar that had a spinny chair on it that was for the conductor. But theyd always put a kid there so they could spin.
Every time yall run the switchback it makes me think of how differently we attacked the same problem, I just said "RGS it", and ran a 4% up to that mountain pass. Always enjoy the videos!
The weird tire sizes with a mix of metric and imperial are used in Europe too actually
Stanley runabouts were more common than Stanley steamers. Stanley steamers are like the sport version and they are fully capable of going 100 MPH, I think one set a record for 104MPH on DIRT ROADS.
Coal fire trains Are finally here alongside with the wood fire locomotives. It’s impressive how locomotives used to have wood to fire up the boiler, then coal fire
Hyce for some information on Stanley steamers, they were created by the Stanley brothers from kingfield Maine, (same family as the guy who founded Estes park) the general facts of the cars are that they were kerosene burners with a 500 psi boiler at about 3 feet in diameter with a roughly 15 minute start up time.
Hello! I happen to have experience with 7 1/2" gauge model railroading. I used to attend the Southwestern Live Steamers, a club for that exact thing in the Texas area. I've not been able to partake in a while but I plan to return to it in the future.
Blue with white roofs to keep the heat out! Nice! Keep up the good work!
The thing that makes GPS more precise is a better clock, mostly. Usually not done in other applications because better clocks consume more power, and they are usually in power constrained places like a car, a boat or a battery operated hand-held. Not a problem in a diesel locomotive, apparently.