Using TWO TRAINS to supply the Smelter in RAILROADS ONLINE!
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- In this episode, @kANGaming and I supply the smelter! I bring up the long cordwood train with the Montezuma, and kAN runs the Glenbrook for Iron. It's a lot of fun!
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While I'm still recovering from the Rona, let's continue with Context in the Comments!
@0:20 - I'm 6'2", so... maybe I too am John Railroadson. Although the context here is it is hard to comprehend how small this locomotive is, so let's throw some numbers at it and compare it to modern railroad power. The Zuma had 40" drivers, by the end of the steam era, passenger power typically had something in the 60"-80" diameter range. Boiler pressure on the Zuma was 130 psi, by the end of steam they were in some cases double or more at 260 psi on a typical boiler. Cylinder size on Zuma was Ø9" x 16" Stroke, while most railroads developed their own standards, SP favored Ø25" x 30" stroke.
@1:30 - Lionel developed the 3-Rail "Standard gauge" in 1906 as a safety precaution, and as a way to simplify the track wiring for their train sets. The two outer rails are at electrical "ground" and the middle rail is at transformer voltage. This reduced the possibility of arcing due electrical shorting the wheels on the locomotives and cars. Once it became "standard" there was no turning back because it was now an engrained standard in the industry, and most early competitors copied. It wasn't until more sophisticated electronics came around that they went back to a 2-rail track.
@3:50 - #blamekAN
@4:43 - Sneaky Sneaky... I was going to explain how to insert "Picard Facepalm #13" but then it happened at 4:47.
@9:12 - The 2"-3" mentioned here is a combination of factors, one of which that is often overlooked is the lap and lead of the valve gear itself. You need enough linear movement of the locomotive's drivers in order to have enough rotational movement in the wheels, to move the valve linearly by the few fractions of an inch it needs to feed steam effectively into the cylinder bore.
@10:00 - Assuming the Average person taking a train trip at a certain State railroad museum is 200lbs, 300 persons = 30 US tons, 140 persons = 14 tons. Not an insignificant amount of weight for a narrow gauge locomotive.
@11:30 - Internal combustion vs External combustion. The point that is missed here is the double acting nature of steam engine cylinders. Steam engine pistons are designed to put pressure on both the "down" stroke of the piston and the "Up" stroke of the piston, essentially meaning that it has 100% power strokes, while internal combustion engines typically are only designed to have the power stroke on the "down" stroke, and depending on if it is a 2 stroke or 4 stroke engine, that could be 50% power strokes or 25% power stroke. That is why the smallest number of cylinders you can have on an inline internal combustion 4 stroke engine is typically 4, so at least 1 cylinder has it's power stroke at a time. Because the pistons and rotational components on an internal engine are designed to weigh as little as possible (to keep the engine weight and axial loading forces down) the flywheel plays a much more important job in an internal combustion car because it often times carries much of the weight of the drive train, and is required to apply rotational power in cases when a power stroke is not propelling the assembly forward. The reason that most steam locomotives do not have flywheels is because they are not particularly necessary, once the locomotive gets moving, it's own linear inertia is enough to propel the locomotive, and as mentioned earlier it doesn't need to compensate for the fact that it only has 25% power strokes.
@13:50 - The comparison to a treadle powered sewing machine is very apt if you look at the earliest implementations of the steam engine. The great Victorian Walking beam engines come to mind, where the valves are independently operated when the engine is starting, because the valve gear on the engine is only meant to sustain the engine once it gets going. You would have to independently operate both the "up" stroke and the "down" stroke's steam supply to get them to tick over.
@15:50 - "Slight Manufacturing Differences" is a bit of an understatement for those of us in the steam locomotive game. No two locomotives ever built without CNC will ever run identically, especially considering that even day to day steam locomotives want to run differently.
@18:55 - Also known as Drifting/Vacuum valves.
@19:25 - An important distinction at this point is to point out is that the main driving pistons themselves are causing the vacuum valves to be opened, the vacuum valves are not trying to bleed the steam between the throttle and the pistons by themselves. They are there because if there is not enough steam coming through the throttle to push the pistons as they travel, the pistons will begin to start pulling air into the cylinders, and this is where the vacuum valves allow external air into the cylinders to prevent air from coming in through the blast nozzle.
@22:00 - While headlights this big were not typically removed, there were instances of steam locomotive headlights being removable so they could be serviced.
@24:00 - Oh Boy, here we go folks! Leave your favorite wheel arrangements below. kAN's comment during this section is pretty spot on, supposedly it was nick named "The Curve Straightener"
@27:00 - With a 10% grade, you are getting into cable/cog territory, traditional railroading would definitely be at it's limits. The Pike's Peak has/had cog driven locomotives, but was limited in it's interchange ability. What you would more likely be looking at is a Cable lift hill similar to the Yosemite Valley Railroad's logging operations. Logging cars would be pulled into a stub yard, they would attach a cable to the end of the car and drag the car up the incline using a hoist engine at the top of the hill. What might be a reasonable alternative is to install a bunch of switchbacks at 5%-7%.
@30:30 - Hyce's rage is entirely misplaced, switchbacks are a perfectly reasonable thing to implement, especially in the steam age when you could just throw more men into the fray. Manpower is cheap, steep grades are not. (Although, it is true that the way this game is configured, this is much more of a pain. It's much easier to make loops and run fast.)
@33:00 - Who needs authenticity when you can just.. SEND IT!
@38:00 - kAN should definitely spend a day with a railroader.
@41:30 - This is an interesting theoretical problem to have, assuming that track conditions were ideal, and we wouldn't pass the physical limit of the running gear components. I'm thinking that there is a theoretical limit when it comes to the "pounding" action that comes from the running gear on the locomotive. Most steam locomotives had their driving wheels balanced so that the locomotive would produce as little vibration as possible in that speed range. Passenger locomotives would have their limits set for passenger running speeds, and the freight locomotives would be balanced for running at lower speeds. Theoretically you could run so much faster than this limit that you would introduce a rocking force caused by the quartered drivers being so out of sync inertia-wise.
@45:30 - #5550 Project
@46:00 - At the superheated temperatures and pressures of the steam being fed to the cylinders, the steam head loss due to the lines being different length could be mitigated by running the feedlines to the rear cylinders through a little bit extra heating. This doesn't solve the differential loading conditions, but should compensate for the difference in steam expansive coefficients.
@48:00 - kAN comes to the realization that the firebox on the Big Boy is probably bigger than his first apartment.
@50:00 - Oil Burning is it's own topic. I wrote a 12 page thesis on it in college, so I will pass on trying to write a simple topic for this.
@55:30 - "That's a Fender Bender!" *To Be Read by the Announcer of Lionel Traintown Deluxe*
@57:00 - There are plenty of examples of advertising cars, Refrigerator/Reefer cars, and even some passenger cars. Circus trains in particular were almost entirely advertising.
@57:55 - Demo Man Slacks! #MeettheDemoSlacks
@1:01:00 - Latent heat capacity of water is immense. Unless you have conduction or convection driving heat transfer, it will stay hot for a long time, especially with some extra pressure.
@1:11:15 - Most railroads put down mileposts to give engine crews a sense of where they were, they could also determine mph.
@1:13:00 I'm glad Hyce cut this one off at the pass. Steam locomotives do not have a "notch 8" in the same way that diesel locomotives do. This is it's own video's worth of topic.
@1:15:30 - The steam dome happens to be one of the toughest parts on a modern locomotive, it's very probable that you would sooner blow the front tube sheet of the locomotive rather than the steam dome. The real risk with throttles is that they aren't properly maintained, and don't seat all of the way. In the worst cases where the throttle doesn't seat all the way, it is possible that you can never close it, and the steam engine will want to run all of the time. There have been a few modern examples where locomotives will run away and crash because they couldn't shut down a locomotive fast enough and the throttle over powered the locomotive brakes.
Hope you're feeling better mate, always love to see your thoughts.
"Watch that third rail!" Something that became so synonymous with a highly charged topic, it became a political term all on it's own.
@@Hyce777 can you tell your server mods to unmute me in discord
They did it because I made a funny noise then they proceeded to make funny noises more than I did
I did 1 small little sound and that was enough for them to mute me
@@Rekuzan New York Underground and other subways also ran on 3rd Rail lines, starting back in the late 1890's, it is likely that they are referring to the full-size electric lines rather than the toy scale ones; but who knows, the influence might go both ways?
@@Leatherface123. Hyce isn't in the Discord server anymore because the server went to Fubar.
“Standard gauge man in a narrow gauge world”
Sounds like some kind of mythological warning of the end times
Brett's new intro for 3/4 Idiot show
Sounds like a Rush song from the "Signals" album. Or should be :)
Yup. Try being 6'5" and trying to fit on puddle jumper planes...or planes in general..
24:45
UP’s mantra for later steam was mainly 1 Locomotive that will pull large train, very fast. The 2-8-8-0’s were compound articulated and the front cylinders components were so heavy at higher speeds that it hurt the track, so they were limited to helper service. UP then went back to ridged frames w/ the 2-10-2 but it wasn’t fast enough, they then moved to a 4-10-2, 3-Cylindered loco, and then to the 4-12-2, 3-Cylinder aka the 9000’s
Just a little insert :)
Where the hell did they put the third cylinder and how did they attach it to the drive train?
@@magiccarpetmadeofsteel4564 third cylinders were almost always situated in the middle and ran to a cranked axle. I want to say Hyce touched on this in a video somewhere but cannot for the life of me remember where. But specifically about the UP 9000 class.
Yes, the were placed in the middle of the saddle, mostly laying sideways with the main rod connecting in the middle of an axle.
Hey Hyce, your editor is showing. Loving the format, the chemistry you and Kan have is obviously natural, and your varying knowledge on the subjects makes this incredible viewing
Are you saying their both gay?
@@Elliottblancher yes, they both seem incredibly happy playing trains together.....
“And they were train-mates”
@@blue-raptor4017 "Oh my god they were train-mates"
@@EikeSky -_-
Still waiting on that Geared Locomotive. Also, Eventually, Hyce and Khan may need to invite more people to play on their C.R.A.P Railroad server to help work the Railroad.
bring the SrapMan, Dapper, Kosmo, Moonbo, Camodo, etall
No just select the sixteen player option and have viewers run all the switches while hyce and kan run trains or have you two run trains and then have viewers as brakeman.
@@kornaros96 if they joined the server and helped it would make it so much more interesting tho I could possibly see Dapper derailing the engine/train and scrapman would over engineer whatever track layout he does
@@186scott forward this to Kan
would like to say its a good idea but i doubt it.
alot of stupid kids outthere that just wanna cause chaos.
same reason why they had to get a custom block made in scrap so noone could join because that mod was not public.
23:55 Baldwin built a number of triplex locomotives, a couple of 2-8-8-8-2 and a single 2-8-8-8-4. Also although they were never built, Baldwin also submitted a patent for Quadruplex (2-8-8-8-8-2) and Quintuplex (2-8-8-8-8-8-2) locomotives. 🤯
As for the most wacky wheel arrangement, I learned about the Holman locomotive from Train of Thought's videos. Not sure how you would spell out that completely ridiculous wheel arrangement. It was a 4-4-0, but stacked on top of wheels that were stacked on top of more wheels. 😵💫
The jointed boiler for the Quadruplex (and the AT & SF mallets) is SO cursed.
Edit: That Holman locomotive is the stuff of nightmares.
Tank treads for rail?
If i recall correctly the belgians had a quadplex. Wheel arrangement (6)-4-(4)-2-(4)-4-(6) the parentheses mean that those wheels are powered.
I wish i was joking.
@@Armageddon_71 Yuup the No. 2096, alternately you can write the arrangement as: a 0-6-2 + 2-4-2-4-2 + 2-6-0
May I introduce you to the 10 2-10-10-2 locos made by the AT&SF? (They could only go 15 mph before losing steam)
Damn Mick's edits and kAN and Hyce's banter is just what oken needs to help start the work day. Awesome video!!!
The LNER the railroad that ran Mallard was actually racing England's west coast railway to see who had the fastest steam loco in the country
They were also racing the Deutches Reichsbahn (German Imperial Railways) for the world's fastest steam locomotive record
Basically just built them to piss off the LMS
Not a huge rail road guy, so i didn't really understand why Hyce kept saying loops were not very realistic at the industries. then i started to play derail valley and see the yards there and i totally get it now. i get why you want the multiple IN and Multiple OUT side tracks to build up consists, and using smaller locos for "shunting" jobs. so my point is. If you want to understand better industry layouts for railroads online, try derail valey, it can help you understand why, with the different jobs, shunting, logistics, haul.
If I remember right, the reason for the record run was because Germany built an ultra high speed loco that went 126 MPH, and this was right around WWII, so the UK couldn't let it stand, so they pushed Mallard as hard as they could with the dynamometer to make 127 and steal the record from the German loco.
Double checked it, the German class 05's record was 124.5 in 1935, and the Mallard managed it's run in 1938, topping out at 126 MPH. An interesting thing I found out, though, is that the LNER only actually took just the one shot at the record, and while it was slightly downhill, they had 7 cars versus 4 being hauled by the German engine, and they also didn't have as much run up as normal, being slowed down to 15 MPH for a bit due to track maintenance. Also, Mallard only took one shot at the record, while the 05s had their speed recorded on a whole bunch of runs.
That sowing machine story takes me waaaay back... My grandma used to sew on a pedal-operated singer. Now I'm getting entertainment, education, AND nostalgia through your videos. Thank you!
Hyce and Kan are the best duo for Railroads online
Good news kAN
In Australia (more specifically the south Australian railway) we used to advertise on boxcars for mostly items of a certain brand that more used that wagon like Peter's and some bread brands
Last time I was this early I heard the crash music before it happened.
27:04 "We need Climaxes" "We need multiple Climaxes."
Pardon me while I go try to dig my mind out of the gutter...
South African Railways proposed a 2-6-6-2+2-6-6-2 super Garrett so doubly articulated which would have been the largest narrow gauge Locomotive in the entire world
You guys should recruit a team from the discord to help with the EVER EXPANDING logistics of this playthrough. I felt so bad for hyce having to shut all those cars himself.
Hyce: "I don't like the idea of switchbacks"
kAN: "I am actually planning on making a switchback and I'm going to surprise you with it"
Hyce: **pain**
The reason behind the LNER breaking the speed record with 4468 was because the Germans managed to get an engine to 124mph (iirc), but also because the LMS were trying to break the limit at the same time with their streamlined coronation class, which only ever reached 112mph.
If I remember correctly, the coronation class had many wheel slip issues - and could slip it’s wheels at a hundred miles an hour, which must have been terrifying. The coronation class was the most powerful steam loco to run on British rails.
iirc the Coronations were basically failed by lack of a mechanical stoker. I think the attempt was made with two firemen hand bombing the thing, and they just couldn't keep up.
TBF the Coronations were really just 4-6-4s pretending to be a 4-6-2.
Concerning weird wheel arrangements: I present to you the GN M-2 class 2-6-8-0. The Billy Goat was a bit drunk when they came up with that one.
Also, concerning the 9000 class 4-12-2s: I have photos of them sitting in Kansas City, Kansas. they could run down the old Kansas Central as far as Topeka and KCK.
EDIT: also, the Milwaukee F7 class 4-6-4s regularly broke Mallard's record, and I'll die on that hill. They were built specifically for two-mile-a-minute running, especially on the almost arrow-straight line from Chicago to Milwaukee, with the Twin Cities Hiawatha. And there's tales of them leaving Chicago like 10-15 minutes late, and making most of that back by Milwaukee.
The speedometers topped out at 120mph, but they'd bury them on the regular. There's a story in an engineering magazine of a french engineer being invited to the cab and being shocked at going 125mph (I assume he was timing mile markers or something), but the crew completely being calm and collected about it.
Those f7 baltics were ridiculous it’s to bad none survived
Not familiar with railroads east of the Mississippi, but I’d buy that. Not just from the dozens+ of stories and anecdotes, but that American steam locomotives were much, much larger and more powerful than those in the UK, and as such American fast passenger steam locos being able to go faster sounds like simple physics.
@@thatconservativetrainguy3864 It's a downright travesty. I consider it one of the greatest tragedies in American preservation.
Ah yes, tools. I got to tools without watching any video about and when I found out that it could load 32 boxes in one car and the crane would go one by one I just.... I wish they changed it to loading boxes by hand, it would be faster, more involved, and probably more realistic too
In the later half of the 19th Century and into the early 20th Century, companies used to use private boxcars and/or ice reefers as advertisements for their product. They used to be painted quite elaborately with fancy gold leaf lettering, murals, and artistic representation of their particular product.
Funny thing about that is, especially with ice reefers, what may be advertised on the side of the car is not necessarily what that car is loaded with. When the railroads would get an order to take some reefers over to let's say a meat packing plant, they'd literally just grab whatever was available, so you'd have cars advertising ice cream, cheese, beer, etc, but they're actually hauling meat.
You guys are a lot of fun to watch. Would love to play with you and haul some cars from a to b
Me toooo! Too bad my internet and computer are both trash
The design of the A4 was to be an extremely efficient high speed engine. It wasn't until the Germans set a 99mph top speed when the LNER decided to see how fast their engines could go. They first broke 100mph in the A1 class, then Modified to A3 class, "Flying Scotsman" .Then the LMS (London Midland Scottish Railway) Coronation clocked a speed of 114mph. And the rest is history.
Speaking of slop in the quadrant... The firing valve on 17, for one thing, has HUGE teeth and it really leaves you wanting a half-notch setting at times. We would achieve this by just lifting up on the whole lever assembly to open the valve a half-notch. It was loose enough to move by hand, but tight enough that it would stay where you put it. It's one of those beautifully jenky pieces of machinery that I truly hope never gets fixed.
27:05 Funnily enough, there is actually a Climax at the same museum where the last remaining UP 9000 class (the 4-12-2’s) is. The climax is “Fruit Grower Supply Co. #3”, and the 4-12-2 is UP #9000, the prototype of the class. They’re both on static outside display at the RailGiants museum at the LA County Fairplex in California. Also, UP #4014 used to reside there right next to #9000 before UP traded back for 4014 to restore. Edit: sorry if that was long, don’t really get to talk about it much.
I kind of miss making trips down to Pomona to see the X4014. I did see it the day they shuttled it through Las Vegas back in 2014 on the way to get it restored. That was pretty cool and I didn't expect to see it at all that day. I wouldn't see it again until I attended the Spike 150.
honestly, using a diesel locomotive idiom in relation to a steam locomotive is just incredibly funny to me. Keep up the good work in teaching kAN about railroading
26:23 I've noticed if you use a turn table in a session at any point, after a short while it'll slowly drift until you reload the save
Yeah it's incredibly irritating. Every time I need to spin a loco I first have to spend ten minutes aligning the table with the track.
For crazy locomotive wheel arrangements, I nominate the 2-10-2-2-6-2 built for the Saluda Grade according to my sources. It was a 2-10-2 with a special tender with a 2-6-2 wheel arrangement under it. Basically strapping a Prairie onto the back. Special mention to the 2-8-8-8-2 Triplex of the Erie or the 2-8-8-8-4 of the Virginian. Both were technically tank engines. They were mainly used for banking duty and basically couldn't exceed 10mph without running out of steam. If you want to go into the realm of the possible but unbuilt, there are designs of a 16 driver lima shay from 1927. Though I have found evidence of an even larger 20 driver shay plan I have no info besides what appears to be a rough draft of its design.
It was the Germans that pushed the Mallard to haul a dynamometer car. The German railways held the record for running 125mph regularly. The locomotive is a 4-6-2 and has a unique aero to it. The German locomotives had no issues running at that speed regularly while the Mallard went limp after its historic run
Some fun info for kAN and the comments in general, the Big Boy class were specifically notable because they were obviously the only ones with a 4-8-8-4 arrangement, but when it came to pure power, the Norfolk & Western had UP beat with their Y6 class. N&W Y6a #2156, who's been preserved at the National Museum of Transportation in St. Louis, is considered the strongest extant steam locomotive in the world as far as I understand. She's a proper mallet as well as opposed to the Big Boys which are just simple articulateds, but only a 2-8-8-2 Chesapeake type... which I guess isn't any less impressive. She's HUGE in person.
"Work smarter, not harder" The REAL railroad mantra.
Work cheaper
With fun, hour-long videos every couple days, I almost feel like I'm getting spoiled by this series!
Keep up the good work Hyce and kAN (and Mickely!)
If there's one good use for the waycar/caboose is that is serves as a marker of the trains end cause when you have that on the end you know all your cars are still there/haven't derailed, you don't have to count them and with bright red it really sticks out
Oh and do tell me how long a car is now that I can measure my shunt yard
I absolutely love the soundtrack of this game. I’m so glad you stuck with 1850s - 1870s music!
All the music in the episode was produced by Hyce himself! Some tracks also include Wings & Strings from the discord
I have a wacky one for ya. the Triplex 2-8-8-8-2 But it gets even better because there were plans for a quadplex and a quintuplex, and even a quintuplex with 2-10-10-10-10-10-2 arrangement was submitted as a pattent. This era was a "special" time for locomotives.
My entry for some weird locamotive wheel arangements: the PRR duplexes are pretty odd (4-4-4-4, 6-4-4-6, 4-4-6-4 and 4-6-4-4, all in solid frame), 6-2-0 Cramptons are pretty odd, but my favourite is 0-3-0 (monorail).
35:23 the editor commentary just keeps getting better and better... We need more of this
The song in the background at 36:00 thru 36:25 made me laugh. Seeing the train slooowly gain speed while the song has its slow beat is hilarious.
Hey Mark you bought up a good point with Kan while talking about the big boy and how there were engines that were more powerful than the big boy IE the N&W Y6 class engines. If you can do you think you could maybe do a articulated steam locomotive 101? I know that’s something you were thinking about. Take care and keep up the good work cheers!
I don't know enough about articulated engines. If I get some hands on experience for sure.
@@Hyce777 aww I hear you man. Well if you start talking the big boy with Kan you need to bring up how much better the N&W engines were lol. No great video as always I can’t wait to see what you have in store next.
You know they say big boy is the biggest steam engine as well but weight wise it’s not. 2-6-6-6 Allegheny is bigger weight wise and if you go dimensionally the 6-4-4-6 Pennsy loco that I can’t think of the name of is bigger.
At the helper station, could you add a switch at the end where the bump stop is, making into a small bypass.
With that switch yo can simply pull THE GOAT on the main without the need of reversing. And when coming back it can be put right into the shed. Also can store a small cut of cars there if need be.
56:47 I read somewhere that railroad companies would put up billboards along other company’s lines to advertise their own services, so much it became an environmental issue and was made illegal (I’m not 100% sure about the last part.)
I've seen a Big Boy in person...some 20 or so years ago. #4012, stationed in Steamtown Rail Museum near Scranton, PA. That engine is MONSTROUS! I kind of want to plan a trip back down there now that she had her cosmetic restoration in 2021. Saw the picture of the before and after on the turntable there, and just the engine alone fits on there. They had to remove the tender just to get it on the table. Roughly 1.2 Million pounds and just under 138 feet long between the couplers. And to see 4014 back in operation as an excursion engine, just amazing what steam power had to offer throughout the years.
Great video! Every domion of Britain got a Pacific locomotive, so right now, the Dominion of Canada is in a museum in Québec, at Saint-Constant. It was green before, but they repaint it to be like it sister, blue! The thing with speed and Britain was, there were à lot of companies competing to get the fastest engine to incite clients to go with them, just that the company LNER made some of the most iconic steam engine!
Speaking of loads v. empties on the grade, I'm reminded of some eastern railroads which would have the locomotive(s) make multiple trips to carry the heavy cars up and just leave them until they have a sufficient number that a single locomotive could lead the lighter load back down. Now, you're essentially the opposite direction but basically make multiple trips to tale the empties to the coal mine and a single trip to ease 2x or 3x as many cars back down.
15:00 so basically when you are topped out on one of the cylinders, you are only pusing with 1 cylinder until the train starts to roll forward, at which point the 2nd cylinder engages effectively doubling the power output of the train immediately, which is why wheelslip happens so fast. Your reaction to the slip is to cut the throttle in half to bring the power back down to where it is just able to keep accelerating, i imagine there could be a mechanical system designed to automatically do the throttle adjustment via a valve
Im picturing a cam lobe for each piston top and bottom dead center (tdc, bdc) with the high spot on the cams attatched to a valve that halves the airflow on the low spot of the cam, and full airflow on the high spot of the cam and the amount of steamflow based on position of the pistons, and a manual lever to disengage the valves from the camshaft after the train begins moving, so the operation from a stop would go like this.
Soft start lever is moved from off, to auto. From here you would do whatever you normally do to bring smoothe power delivery with the exception of fighting the regulator which you should no longer have to do. Just set the reg to where you start moving. At which point you can set the slow start lever to the off position and carry on. Any questions?
The turntables in this game are so well made that a simple breeze will turn them.
frase of the day "we need multiple climaxes!" 🤣🤣🤣
made my day 👍
I can think of two crazy, wheel arrangements off the top of my head. There’s a 2-8-8-8-2T and a 2-8-8-8-4T. Two for Eerie and Lackawanna, and the other for the Virginian.
Talking about the slack, I remember being on the South Devon Railway, and they often had a 0-3-0 or a 0-3-3 pulling their trains and pretty often I'd feel a gentle bump backwards before we got going. I'm guessing this is what they were doing, giving themselves those few extra inches to get a good strong initial pull. Lovely bit of track that too, Buckfastleigh to Totnes. All along the River Dart.
Ohh the Mallard is a beautiful beastie. Used to have a little wooden Brio toy of it on my wooden train set as a kid.
"It's a consolidation not a mogul" - been there, done that! (Other way around though, confused a mogul for a consolidation.)
Great video you two.
lovin the series still, and highly appreciate the podcast vibes
There’s an A4 that lives in a museum in my state of Wisconsin and it’s not too far of a drive away so that’s kinda cool.
There’s also a big boy at said museum. They even let you stand inside the cab. The whole train is a lot bigger than the pictures lead you to believe (the drivers are as tall as I am!)
Hyce: come on Montezuma **grunting and coughing sounds**
**long silence but peaceful music**
I found it's easier sometimes to use the hand brakes on cars to stop when switching. That way you can be wherever you need to load or unload while lining up the train.
24:00 The most insane wheel combination I know of was a Belgian locomotive, No. 2096 was a 0-6-2 + 2-4-2-4-2 + 2-6-0 quadriplex, it was apparently a pretty good locomotive, besides the operating cost of paying a crew for each end of the locomotive and fueling it along with the fact that it had enough power to break the couplers that were in use at the time. It was out of service by 1935 just three years after it was built and was used to make 2 2-6-0 locomotives. These two locomotive were captured by the soviets after ww2 and there was apparently plans to use the technology to create a hexaplex, these plans were never carried out though.
Edit: 27:24 The 10% to the coal mine is a Uintah route, it would be neat to see the #51 mallet go up that.
Weird wheel arrangments that I was thinking of was the Chessie's Allegheny 2-6-6-6 with 3 sets of drivers. Two articulated under the engine and a set under the tender.
When you guys start having a chorus or whistles, I keep thinking of the heard I heard of maiden voyage of the Burlington's Zephyr. It was a premier diesel locomotive unit passenger train, and when leaving Chicago, they engineers were laying on the air horn (under orders of management) to draw attraction to the train. Well, they layed on the horn so much that they ran out of air, and the compressor (which provided air for the brake equalization tanks, too) could't keep up. Not only did they lose the horn, but the brakes wouldn't release, and kept being applied. The fastest passenger train couldn't move.
That is a weird one...
Gotta have that huge af firebox!
I love the meet the Slacks we need a full bonus video of that XD
Love the enderman teleport noises in this game when you teleport
55:26 sweet crash hyce! Probably one of the better slow crashes so far
The beats per minute comment really 'resonated' with me. One of my favorite songs, going back to kidhood, was the opening scene in the musical, "The Music Man". Just a good, steady song, with a bit of staccato, that speeds up and slows down based on the speed of the train they are riding on.
Being intent on bridging many areas of interest here, that ability has a large carryover to Smokebox's locomotives, namely his 1860's collection. I know he specifically mentions gauging your speed based on the chuffs. That is one area of RRO that I think is sorely lacking. It needs a huge overhaul of the sounds. Ambient, locomotive sounds, door open/close sounds. Maybe one day.
Thanks for these vids. I abandoned RO last summer because of the turmoil. Yours and kAN's new vid series pulled me back into playing.
Saw a Big Boy years ago at a museum in Wisconsin, it's big, have a picture somewhere of inside the cab among some others. Also saw another A4 Pacific (same as Mallard) The Dwight Eisenhower, and some others. In the Black Hills in my state is a historic tourist line of sorts and rode that many years ago as well.
I always love watching these videos as someone who has learned a lot of how steam ships worked and operated, ive always been curious how steam locos worked and Hyce always answers my biggest questions almost everytime i have a question its answered the following video.
36:00 "Your stunned silence is very reassuring"
Hyce and kAN: we used two trains to support the smelter!
*My insane ass doing 3 trains at once, ALONE, to support the oil field:* _This is fine._
I am absolutely loving this layout. it makes me want to play more Railroads every time i see it
trains are like Stick Shift Cars = they all have their own unique character and quirks you have to learn.
the Russian 4-14-4 was found to be too heavy for Russian rails so it was notorious for ripping track apart and derailing.
Crew's reported that it rode terribly given it's center of gravity sat directly on top of Driver #4.
one item I would like to see added to RRO is the ability to reposition load/unloading points at each industry.
Ok, I know this was probably filmed before the stream that I mentioned it on, but just for the reminder for anyone else here, the most insane wheel configuration ever designed was on a massive articulated dual-boiler Franco-Crosti designed for Russian 5ft gauge lines through Siberia. It would have been a 2-4-4-2+2-8-8-2+2-4-4-2 - basically three mallets joined together in a garret configuration.
The most insane wheel configuration ever built was also a Franco-Crosti, built for standard gauge in Belgium. This one was an 0-6-2+2-4-2-4-2+2-6-0.
23:14 yeah the cook 2-8-0 has like magnets to hold it on, even on old splines, and it only derailed when i tryed to send it arround a hand layed curve that was so tight that most other cars also derailed
Tender plops before engine itself
Honestly don't even notice the production quality but definitely enjoy the snarky editors commentary
I remember a story about a steam ferry that runs on Lake Union, WA. There are regular coast guard inspections, of course, so one day the fresh young coast guard inspector turns to the engineer, and asks "where's the tachometer?"... and the engineer looks at him for a moment, digs out his mechanical stop watch, starts it, and starts counting... "1... 2... 3..." in time with the chuffs from the steam engine.
Just want to say I watched the VOD from your last stream here on RUclips. For some reason, I now have RUclips recommended videos, yes, plural, several of them....about the Milwaukee Road.
Apparently, it was played just enough times for my phone sitting next to me to pick up on it and now the algorithm wants me to know all about the Milwaukee Road.
I blame both you and Jersey for this. 🤣
"Totally not going to make light of things tehe" - mickely
- Mickely's secret message
I love this series because it’s just Jan asking a question in the most incomprehensible manner possible and hyce explaining it poorly while they take a lot of piss tests and click on cranes.
Lol the Slacks ad. Love that mickely
Santa Fe had this crazy mallet that was something like 4-4-6-2 that they intended to use in passenger service. 2 of them were built Obviously they didn't work very well and the design was considered too mechanically complicated so the railroad converted them into pacifics. Really gnarly lookin' thing, too. Not something I'd request to see recreated in a simulator, though.
Think my favorite silly wheel arrangement is Garratt's 4-6-2-2-6-4. double articulated locomotive with a floating boiler. the water tank is at one end the coal box at the other. Really quirky locomotive. XD
Edit: Scratch that apparently they also made 4-8-2+2-8-4's and had a proposal for a 4-8-8-2+2-8-8-4 but never built one.
3 rail = Gucci. I love my O gauge stuff. Nothing wrong with the 3rd rail. It’s timeless
Regarding Mallard's record: I'm in the camp that believes Duchess of Hamilton on the LMS was probably mechanically capable of going faster than Mallard. Especially because I've heard plenty to say Mallard herself wasn't actually the best A4 mechanically.
However: the LNER had a good long section of fast track to give Mallard the best chance, and Joe Duddington and Tom Bray knew exactly how to push their engine just the right amount past her limit. Pieces of her were found afterwards for miles down the track, but she made it.
Meanwhile, the LMS had a more winding track; and by the time the Duchess was getting close to Mallard's record regardless, they had to slam on the brakes because Crewe station was in the way, shattering just about everything breakable in the buffet car and coming so close to derailing while crossing the points that she left flange marks on top of the rails.
Of course it's never going to happen, but I'd personally love to see some eccentric billionaire have replicas of both engines built and run as fast as they can go on the same flat, straight track. Because while both engines are preserved in the national collection in York, so they're still in good condition: both engines are preserved in the national collection, nobody is gonna be mad enough to try and run them that hard even if they're taken off static display and made ready to run.
I have been very fortunate that the henry ford museum in Michigan have a big boy inside so i've been inside and stood next to that beast of a engine, but i do want to make my way out to the Colorado museum and see those locos
20:33 The Minecraft teleport sound!😂
Missouri Transportation Museum has a 2-2-2 loco, its a rail inspection vehicle that was so small,”a child between the ages of 5-8 were needed to fire the engine.”
Also, the reason Mallard set the record was because LMS made the streamlined Coronation class loco. Now thats a weird looking loco! Gresley being the head honcho of British rail at the time, was not going to let some jerry rigged stream liner beat him.
1:11:25 - Wolf Creek Pass
I looked on outta the window
And I started countin' phone poles
Goin' by at the rate of four to the seventh power
Well I put two and two together
And added 12 and carried five
And come up with 22 thousand
Telephone poles an hour
...
I says, Earl, "I'm not the type to complain
But the time has come for me to explain
That if you don't apply some brake real soon
They're gonna have to pick us up
With a stick and a spoon"
18:20 That's why the DRG engines have a pressure gauge for the pressure inside the steam chest.
The ones modeled for Derail Valley have them too, it;s labeled: SchieberKastenDruck.
Leaving the throttle at full while leaving the cab is always a great idea...... I mean it worked so well in the movie Unstoppable
It's always a good day when Hyce uploads. I think i spent about 10 hours in the past few days on my RRO map. Would love to run some cars in the future with ya!
By the way it is a yes to the car advertising. It’s especially common on old reefers and boxcars to see big company names. I’ve got one in HO scale that says “Drink Old Kiedelberg Beer” sponsored by Blatz in Milwaukee Wi. At least I’d assume these are sponsored cars that they payed to have them painted. If anyone out there has more info then feel free to fill me in!
I have found, specifically w the D&RGW class 48, that you can ride on the front bumper (dont hate me if thats not correct nomenclature lol) you can activate the switch from enough distance out now that you dont have to jump off and run ahead anymore
A funny fact about old 2 stroke Detroit diesel engines is that if you bump started in reverse then the engine would begin running backwards. The world engine functioned fine except for it had no oil pressure and would burn up the top end if you didn't notice.
Knowing the true story behind unstoppable. They took a ton of liberty with facts so much so that it became fiction real quick.
A couple of things:
1) Belgium had a weird thing that was a cross between a Mallet and a Fairlie and a Garratt: it had a pair of boilers back to back, with articulated Franco-Crosti preheaters ahead of each boiler, and an articulated wheel arrangement that breaks the Whyte system, so in UIC it was C1'+1'B1B1'+1'C, or, basically 0-6-2+2-4-4-2+2-6-0 with an extra unpowered axle between the two 4s. It ended up being rebuilt into two single-boiler Franco-Crosti 0-6-2+2-6-2 articulated tank engines, which were then destroyed in WWII. Franco-Crosti basically was an attempt to increase efficiency by using the heat from the exhaust steam to preheat the water before it entered the boiler in much larger volumes than more conventional feedwater heaters could by passing exhaust gasses through something that looked a lot like an extra boiler before exhausting through the chimney. Most of the time, on more conventional F-C locomotives, there was either one preheater set below the boiler (so it looked like there were two boilers stacked on top of each other), or two small ones on either side of the boiler, and the chimney (or chimneys in the latter case) would be right in front of the cab. Italy, Germany, England, Ireland, and Spain all built some form of F-C locomotives, and they were all very ugly; one or two still exist in Italy, and I think one is operational, or at least has been in recent memory. The main issue was that the exhaust would end up so cold at the chimney end that it would somehow form sulfuric acid that would corrode the smokebox. That and the extra maintenance and weight. Based on the Belgian monstrosity, there was also a plan for a Russian 2-4-4-2+2-8-8-2+2-4-4-2 that wasn't built. Thank goodness.
2) Not sure about trains, but streetcars were often covered with ads inside and out. This tradition continues today with modern transit vehicles of all modes because transit agencies are underfunded and need money somehow; even Amtrak has had locomotives or Acela trainsets wrapped with ads for Cake Boss or Coke etc.
Hyce, you should've gotten Mickely to do editing AGES ago!!! This edit is BRILLIANT!
@1:15:21 I can just see Hyce like Yosemite Sam kicking the throttle with both feet saying "When I say OPEN I mean OPEN", gol durn pressure.
I know you are doing the fibonacci numbering scheme for your engines, but with the amount of Unstoppable references in this series you need to immortalize the meme in some way now, like maybe once your number gets to 8 locomotives you could number it 8888 like the actual Crazy Eights. Or maybe call one of your locomotives "Notch 8" or something 🤣 🤣 🤣
Keep up the good work my friends. And the comments in the video was awesome. I really liked it.
I live in Idaho and I stayed up really late researching the railroads and there is so much cool history.
I'm convinced that Milwaukee Road's F-6 hudsons were faster than Mallard. They achieved their record while in revenue service with a full train.
Fun name to call the area where the Goat works: Goat Crash Pass
I always think that it would be fun to take the surviving American big steamers to Nebraska or Wyoming and have them run for records. N&W 611 and UP 844 would probably give Mallard a run her her money. Although I am a bit biased and think that if we could get Mallard or Dwight D. Eisenhower (Both A4 Pacifics from the LNER, Eisenhower is in the US) on that roster it is possible that the record could be increased. Some madlads could probably get the NYC Niagras that survived back up and running, hell, even rebuild the Hudson Streamlined one to make it interesting. The T1 Trust has expressed intrest in breaking the record, although I doubt the Brits would give up the record that easily. Also being 6' 5" living sasquatch the Brett measurement is actually pretty close to my own.
I still stand by the idea that Hyce should run the big engines on the mainline at speed. Hell, why don't our British friends across the pond let Hyce go run 60163 Tornado from London to Edinburgh for a day. Also, STILL NO STEAM IN FLORIDA BESIDES THE TINY LITTLE DISNEY ONES AND THAT ONE IN OKEECHOBEE.