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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- In this episode, @kANGaming and I talk about more fun train topics while we distribute firewood! It took a lot more power than we expected...
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46:05 Hyde applies hand brake at coal mine before "Y" ing engine.
Yup that’s it!
Fun fact: trains passing at speed have caused problems in the states. When the Pennsy Metroliner sets came out, one set passed a train of MP54’s, an older set of EMU’s. And all the windows of the MP54’s were ripped out of the cars as the metroliner passed. This incident cause the FRA to limit the operational speed of the metroliners
Passing at speed is usually only a problem at high speeds, sort of like with trucks on the highway
I never thought about how much Hyce needed a Patreon until he said how much a porter would cost to buy. 100% would be on board to see this man rip around the track in his own little porter. As always, fantastic episode.
Cheers mate. Perhaps someday. Haha
I would support a Patreon, especially if there would be a “Hands-on help Hyce build” tier. I would spend money to help build a steam loco
early smelters did use wood to smelt (you'd be surprised how hot it could get under forced draft), but I do agree, I want to see coal be used with the smelter. I'd also like to see you be able to deliver tools to all the industries to up their production rate. like instead of a 1:1 ratio you suddenly get 3:1 or something. It would make mixed trains more viable, and give you a reason to actually run the end game industries more often.
10:00 in germany the intercity express trains (ICE) pass each other with 200+km/h in oposite directions. the pressure it generates is enough to feel it inside the seat.
That old clip of the army trying to derail that train is hilarious
The gap they end up needing to derail this thing is huge... and even then the loco still stayed on the tracks 🤦♂️
I remember watching that a long time ago. That was a WWII training film for sabotage behind the menu lines in Germany, the Narrator’s voice when it still wouldn’t come off was comical.
Defiance, thy name is Locomotive.
I was happy to see the locomotive win
And then theres NS
@@lucaknight_ 1 leaf or snowflake and the whole system collapses 😂
There's a lot of old stories from the Talyllyn of No.3 dropping between the rails. Dolgoch had spent the past several decades boxing the track till it was about an inch above gauge with her long fixed wheelbase and unusual fletcher Jennings patent motion, and Sir Hayden was half an inch under gauge, because she was shipped that way and it never mattered on the Corris's well maintained track. It got turned into a Thomas story, was captured happening live on film at least one, and caused No.3 to be stuck in the shed until they were able to add extended tires to her wheels in the 60s. His trailing wheels were also absolutely tiny, practically castors, and once they were widened they got the nickname steamroller wheels due to their odd proportions.
We don't need boiler pressure we're we're going.
Ah yes
W e ' r e W e ' r e
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@@aceofdiamonds721 thats exactly what i was thinking when i read this.
Scoff scoff. Where's Where?
Where*
It's always a good day when Hyce gets to educate Kan on train stuff. Speaking of, why don't you tell Kan about the accursed Triplex on the next episode?
Oh Lord. Lol
Oh the mythical 3ft triplex
Perhaps mention the never built quardaplex, the hexaplex, and the octaplex. All of these stayed on the drawing table, but were still cursed in that form anyways.
C'mon now, cursed choo choos for the win
Hyce: **explains the sunroof**
Polar Express conductor: **uses it to yell at the engineer and fireman**
New-build Montezuma!! Sign me up! It might actually be somewhat capable of pulling something if you gave it some Porta-isms. As long as it looks right on the outside is all that matters, give it some nice internal gubbins to make it a happier little engine, only you and the other people maintaining it will know ;)
🤣 Kan's 3-inch tie spacing made me lol. Mostly tie spacing for North American standard gauge is 19.5-inches OC for wood and 24-inches OC for concrete. The number of and spacing of "effective" ties is governed by FRA/railroad rules for the speed of the track. Generally speaking, to go 10 MPH freight and 15 MPH passenger you need 5 good ties in tangent and 6 in curves and turnouts for every 39-feet.
I have seen some absolutely awful excepted track in (occasional) service. The ballast is still mostly clinker from the 1940s or earlier, many of the rails were forged during World War I, and every time it’s used it needs a few new ties first…
17:04 Mickey just chilling, developing black lung 😂
EDIT: Also I vote that you swap tenders on the Tweetsie for the next episode.
You don’t need to do this, but you’re now imagining the Tweetsie with Montezuma’s tender :^)
I had to go look and then lol'd. Mickely never fails.
I'd love to see Tweetsie with the 'Zuma tender, but I don't think Tweetsie can be fired with wood. Something something game mechanics...
Putting the zooma with a tweetsie tender is also hilarious. The tender brake is enough to completely stop the monty on realistic difficulty. Also it’s slightly bigger
@@That_One_Guy_In_A_Band damn, I forgot about the different fuels
Brake was first tied when Hyce ran around at the coal mine he never untied it after that. The tweetsie is only good for a 6.41% grade with 4 cord wood cars it made the 6.5% off of momentum. It maybe powerful but it is a chonky boy. in the game the class 70 has less power but a combined weight with tender of 92,600 lbs (tender data mined info only weighs 18496lbs) vs the tweetsies' 122,846 lbs combined(data mined info for tender is 50,000lbs)
Ah, I didn't know the tender weight for the Tweetsie! Yeehaw. Barely made it indeed. Thanks for doing the math. :)
This series is quickly becoming Train Trickshots with Kan/Hyce and I’m here for it all the way 😂
34:09 to correct Kan here, it’s “lock S-foils in attack position” not X-foils, and according to the supplementary stuff, it’s to space the lasers out further from each other so as not to damage them with excessive heat buildup and to provide extra surface for radiating that heat away
Of course, the real reason is that George loved biplanes in old movies. X-Wings and Tie Fighters are just clever space biplanes.
The Lazers if they are like the blasters are actually super heated hydrogen. So the heat thing would make sense
@@travisworts6249 The "laser cannon" on the X-Wings are ridiculously big lasers, so the cooling is certainly needed. Of course, the power according to the various tech specs is so absurd (hundreds of TW) that it would be impossible to cool before the whole ship vaporized, but minor details.
I was just pulling from what I knew was confirmed in cannon and from what I've seen on echarts ladder. I need to do some more research for sure. I'm also a little curious on how they are supposed to cool Lazers in space by separating them when there is nothing in space to actually transfer heat to. It makes sense to do in atmosphere but not in space. I know there are a lot of mistakes when it comes to space movies but George Lucas did a good job.
@@SkorjOlafsen just looked it up on wiki fandom and yeah it's super heated gas that produces light
Since the conflict premise behind "The Fast and the Ferrous" is driven by the untimely death of an older train-racing sibling, the premise behind the rivalry conflict of "Choo Fast Choo Ferrous" could be over someone not throwing a switch for someone and making them have to stop and throw the switch for themselves, causing them to miss an arrival time and lose a bonus payout.
41:20 I'm glad "Glory Glory Hallelujah" started playing as kAn mentioned you falling into the valley and dying like men. Instantly started singing "Gory gory what a hell of a way to die" in my head.
That Tender needs to go in the shop!!!
1:18:36 "I can kick them harder" right as everyone's favorite song starts to play
I can’t remember which train it was, but they were doing high speed testing on the northeast corridor, and when it passed a commuter train, it ripped the windows out of it due to the aerodynamic forces. So Kan does kind of have a point.
Edit: It was the Budd Metroliners passing some old EMUs
The situation you both found yourself in at the end of the episode is why you should have a shed for Betsy at the tail end of the hump to act as a trimmer engine for the hump yard.
You guys should do a serious of “rate my route” for railroads and judge prototypical or just awesome routes. Good ones are crap certified bad ones that cause derailments: Norfolk certified
Norfolk & Way certified.
kAN: HYCE! ARE YOU LOOKING TO BREAK A WHEEL! Hyce: no no, it fine. We'll just push the table over.
The S foils on the various fighter craft in Star Wars served two functions: 1. added stability to the geometry of the craft during combat, and 2. exposed radiators to help cool the onboard systems during combat.
"I don't care that my power's in the middle of a crossover, I'm tieing it down and retiring!"
Another great episode fellas. Highlights: Hyce disregards yard speed limits and no one takes credit for a tied brake while kAN gets immersive lessons in switching at industries. Did anyone else suffer a brief panic attack at the very words 'disable the safeties'? KABOOM! Like the two hundred years ago idiot who sat on the weight! Thanks guys!
PS. Favorite stick shift story: I can drive one, but at this point I didn't own one and was over a year rusty. I got to Ireland for a vacation. No sleep on a redeye. Picked up a cheap rental car. No automatic. Backwards car. Backwards roads. Very skeptical rental guys. Backwards roundabout a hundred yards from the agency. Somehow I made it. I love stick shift and could drive that little car like a madman a couple days later, but it was a rough start!
I used to live in a super busy area which had a 4 track line, where the outer two ran sprinter trains, and the inner two intercities. That way the sprinters could stop at stations without causing any trouble.
“They should know where the cars are going,” Penn Central loosing an ENTIRE SEASONS WORTH of Potatos! As for the entire yard being ripped out, in Knoxville, TN there are two rail yards that are completely gone (one is where the sunsphere now sits and the other one is at we’re there is an “S” bend at I-275 heading north before it intersects with I-640. The S bend is there because a massive Southern Railroad locomotive shop was situated there to the right of the “S.” It had a roundhouse at one point along with Repair stalls, however the roundhouse and turntable was demolished by the 1980s. The facility no longer exists as almost no remnants remain of it but the site is now home to a rail-served intermodal complex.
Wait, how did they lose that many potatoes???????
Huh that’s really interesting. Thanks for sharing
@@peregrina7701 look up “History in the Dark,” and “Penn Central,” there is a reason why Penn Central went bankrupt in only two years.
If you dream about having your own locomotive you should devinitely get together with some of your friends an buy one. I, together with two of my best friends, bought a 750mm gauge 0-10-0 (non operational of course) about three years ago and it always puts a smile on my face when I think of or talk about it. The feeling of pride when walking into the shed and seeing "my girl" is unbelievable. And if it takes 15-20 years to restore her that's ok. We're still young and have (hopefully) plenty of lifetime ahead.
1:20:00
Hyce: Do you need me to come punt them again?
kAN: yeah
*Smells like Kenosha intensifies*
19:20
Either you forgot about the link or you didn't find it... I would still be very interested in seeing that ^^
Here's the link ruclips.net/video/agznZBiK_Bs/видео.html
When you were talking about the Mazda clutch, you explained how a hydraulic clutch. Halfway down they get tighter because they actually lift the clutch. A cable you feel the pressure plate after 5-10% of the way down and it's constant until it let's go
Talking about transmissions, the M-22 and a good setup Lenco are my top picks.
It's a thing of the past, and 80+ percent of people have no clue how to drive a stir stick.
Thanks for the shows Hyce, and the time to make them.
For my smelter, I have to opposite: a silly S bend for the cordwood, and a massive bridge for the iron ore, because I like to feel like I'm gravity unloading my hoppers through the floor.
This episode makes me think that "take a sip when Hyce says it's fine" would make for a great drinking game lol
Or a t-shirt “it’s fine it’s fine “
@@bluescrew3124 It's Fine
It's fine
It'll be fine
It...
It smells like Kenosha
One of my railroad club members owned an RSC-3. Got it at scrap price, didn't take much to put back service. Ran it for a couple of years at a local museum. And I quote, "My wife said that if I EVER decided to own 1:1 locomotive, she would me tie to the tracks dead underneath it. Never again."
34:16 - S-foils, they surprisingly provide several key advantages. First, they offer additional surface area and radiator capability to help cool the X-wing down in high stress situations. Second, they provide improved weapons range and convergence capabilities as well as slightly improved accuracy. Third, they improved atmospheric stability particularly for sensitive cargo runs. Lastly, the separation and additional spacing of the engines helped improve maneuverability by improving the ability to pitch up and down quicker. This is achieved because the engines are also on the wings, and when the S foils lock the engines wind up ever so slightly further out from the center of gravity. This admittedly doesn't do a ton as your RCS maneuvering thrusters will still handle most of it, but it does provide a small boost to your rotation speed when the two are combined, and it allows you to do a little bit without even burning through your RCS fuel too.
As to why the lasers make noise in space, people like the pew pews.
Source: I built an X wing in Kerbal Space Program once.
1:24:37 🤦♂️I feel like a certain German dispatcher would have some hilarious choice words right now!
Also regarding wood burning iron furnaces versus coal burning: every tree within reasonable distance of Orbisonia, PA was cut and burned in the early iron furnaces. They converted to baking coal into coke for the next furnace, and the remains of that industry are still there.
Y'all talking about manual transmission and clutch feel is great with me thinking about my manual transmission '88 Bronco I've driven for most of its life, and remembering the time I tried driving a friend's Acura Integra. The Bronco has a heavy V8 that will move it along in 3rd gear at idle. The Acura needed to be revved before letting out the clutch in order to start off in first without stalling. It took me a while to get used to.
Also, before a bit of recent service, the starter-interlock on the clutch pedal was at a point where you had to push the pedal all the way down and then push a little bit to flex something before it would start. Turned out that the pedal mount was cracked, and that was what was flexing. So we got that fixed, and then this year (at almost 200k miles) I had to get the transmission fully rebuilt -- it got stuck in 5th while I was driving home, and it turned out there were other issues when they took it apart to fix that -- and they also did the clutch, and now I know what you mean about clutch feel changing after a repair! I'm still getting used to it again.
In my opinion, the best way to learn how to drive a manual transmission is on a tractor. It's like tutorial mode; you can start out by stopping to shift gears, since it will start up in any gear. And the gas pedal is entirely optional; you can just set the hand throttle to a reasonable low RPM and it works fine. Also split brakes are great fun.
its always a good finish when the hump gets sticky
Considering how often cars come up, it would be cool if there were a multiplayer version of Car mechanic simulator that y'all could play. Just lean all the way into Car Talk with Hyce and Kan.
Who needs podcast when you have Hyce and kAn playing Railroads Online
I've had to put wood in the CLASS 48, but not much else besides the usual suspects. YOu guys.... Everytime I see you two, I wanna go build a new layout..
Ahhh.
This is the *perfect* way to unwind after a long day at work.
If RRO ever adds signs Hyce will need signs for checking his headlights and checking his brakes.
Y'all are still the best podcast on RUclips
About the point of trains passing at speed without issues.
When the Metroliner train sets were being tested for high speed service on the North East Corridor.
They tested the units going as fast as 165mph, only for a 1920’s era commuter train on the other track to have its windows sucked out by the pressure drop.
Because of this and the unreliability of the Metroliners they were never allowed to go above 125 in service.
Oh wow, that's amazing.
So excited by this video. From the cold open to the genuine comradery. These videos are currently the highlights of my week.
Considering the size of some of the spaceships in sci-fi movies, they'd have their own measurable force of gravity*, although definitely not enough to keep someone stationary on it.
* For those who don't know, gravity is a product of mass. Anything with mass has its own gravitational pull, that's every piece of matter from the largest star to the smallest atom. The more mass an object has, the more gravitational pull it has.
Fun fact: if you drop an object (let's say an apple) on the surface of the earth, the apple gets pulled towards the earth and theoretically the earth also gets pulled towards the apple! Sure, it's an immeasurable amount, but according to gravitational theory it happens.
27:03 Not being a railroad man myself, i can't speak to how accurate this is, but from what I've heard this is almost entirely the result of Precision Scheduled Railroading - which I have likewise heard as best described as "neither precise, nor scheduled, nor railroading".
Mark. Let's talk about the fun of a manual transmission, a floor mounted dimmer switch and the joy of a dark, rainy, curvy rural highway. Two hands, and a couple of feet. Brake, clutch, downshift, dim the headlights and steer? Are we having fun yet?
When you get the porter 2 and the shay, you need to keep them permanently coupled together and name the shay vibrating and the porter 2 depression.
Hyce, you know right well that tender belongs in the shop! Get her back overtop the maintenance bay and check her bearings and wheel trucks
The talk about various ways of making your racing trains go faster has reminded me that in 1995, in a Very Serious Railway Magazine, the cartoonist suggested that perhaps the London & North Western Railway had tried something similar (strapping rockets to the cab roof) for their blisteringly fast run from London to Aberdeen on the night of the 22nd August 1895...
Kan dose have a point! The safety valves were plugged on the Confederate Ironclad Merrimack to gain extra power to get it off a sand dune it had beached itself on.
46:03 the brake culprit
did you hear about the severed rail on a UP line that citizens had to report to the police, the mayor, and many other authorities before UP fixed it? happened in Sacramento a couple days ago. Guy said he heard many violent DUNKS.
Yikes.
Fun fact the Chicago and northwestern railroad at least in the Chicago metro area had to be a left-hand drive like how the British operate. Their main line had started out as a single-track mainline and they built all of the passenger stations on the same side of the track so it would be convenient. When it came time to double-track (and in many places it's triple and quad tracked) the mainline the northwestern had the unenviable position of either knocking down all the station buildings and have them be rebuilt to be right hand drive or be different than all its contemporaries and accept that because of the passenger services they operated they would be left hand drive. I'm not a hundred percent sure but I believe that since Union Pacific acquired the northwestern that they have to be left hand drive in some parts of the Chicagoland area for the exact same reason
Speaking about building a locomotive from scratch from the OG blueprints, an Pennsy T1 4-4-4-4 is being built for the ground up and is going to be the youngest steam locomotive engine №5555. RUclips channel is called the T1 Trust Program
28:50 - I totally forget where it is, but there is one yard laid out like that except they have an exit from the service area on the opposite side to the mains that makes a 90 degree bend, tunnels under the mains, makes another 90 degree bend, and enters the yard tracks at the far side.
Part of this conversation reminded me of a time where I had trains in my area. At my work place we used to load train cars but three of the other factories closed down in 08 and the trains went with them. I now have a job as a truck driver driving between my work place and our leased buildings that were two of the former factories
The only podcast on the internet where when it goes off the rails it's sometimes literal.
1:00:55 all hail the operating ratio
You should do a whole episode using only first person controls.... I've recently started using only first person in my map and it really helps with immersion
The whole "wings on spaceships" thing was because while they were primarily deployed in space, they were also used in the atmosphere as well, thus the need for wings.
ah that's fair
To get the true Red Shed Redemption is to have a Class 66(aka SD40 sausage) once modding goes online 😂
Not gonna lie, having the whine of the dynamo on a rod engine in this game fills my foamer heart with joy! lol
Talking about passing trains at speed when I was on passenger trains in Germany, It would be nothing for you to be looking out the window going full speed and then all of a sudden another train just comes by and it rocks the whole car. the first time is terrifying
Would think it’d be an awesome video of Hyce giving a tour to Kan of the museum.
Putting more thought into "Fast & Ferrous" than most Hollywood directors put into actual movies
I secretly hope that when the game is finished, a toggle-able feature is added that adds back in all the cursed elements from the early days, if only as an aesthetic; I want my wheels spinning backwards while the reverser is at -100%.
One note if you plan on doing a first person only episode: Click the throttle once before you actually move it. If you adjust any other controls, the throttle has a weird bug that requires you to click it first.
Weird. Thanks!
KANs talk about throwing fireworks in the firebox reminds me of Back to the Future III.
Your shifter ball comes off like Din Djarin’s. Hyce is basically Grogu. Although Hyce is probably just a bit cuter.
Stick ball coming out? My dad one time had to service something steering-adjancent on our car, and remove steering wheel for that (using considerable force). Than, we needed to make short trip, final 500 m of which was on dirt road. Because didn't finish everything, trip was short and force needed to remove steering wheel was big, he didn't bothered to put back locking nut. And than we driving said dirt road, and on bump steering wheel just freaking come off. Granted, it was 10 kmh and no one around, so nothing happened, but still - that was stuff from slapstick comedy in real life.
I think the statement "I went to engineering school so I can use Excel to do my math for me" is probably the most accurate statement I've ever heard from any actual engineer. Thank you for saying that, I can do math as well, I went to school to do math, but I already know how to do it - so can't I allow my computer to do it? Computers are great to play games on, but if I can use my mind for more important tasks than doing math (which I can do) then maybe my pay is better earned doing MORE IMPORTANT things (again, not that getting the math right isn't important, because I DO check it) with my time. Yes.
Hyce comment this is a podcast at like 50:30 is so true while I love watching it I really use these episodes as like chill podcasts for when playing the game myself. especially since I'm just building my track still. Yes I started by building the track and will start running the trains after
the FRA and amtrak figured out you couldn't have 170-180mph Acelas passing 80-100mph old coaches without losing windows going the opposite way so the ACELA is limited to 160mph on the NEC.
the FRA has track standards which list tie spacing and amount of good ties required to meet speed requirements, the 2014 version is listed on their site
There was an interesting report done by a publicly owned shortline/pax operation SMART who had multiple potential customers with rail access say they were not interested because it was cheaper to get grain trucked in 300-400 miles away from a transload facility that could take unit trains. Others just were not interested because UP can't deliver anything reliably.
In the last 1-2 years even some customers who get unit trains were struggling to have them delivered. Fosters Farms a major California poultry producer could not get unit grain trains in for days or weeks at a time to make feed. There is recording of UP getting raked over the coals by the STB for not delivering unit trains.
In Mitchell SD, were my railroad interchanges with BNSF, are top notch, broken rail, broken bar, bad ties, guage in/out, hard throwing switch, regardless of what class of track they get on it. We have excepted class track, its BNSF's, in the yard but they still get on it.
Gag the safety valves " yeah cause we die like men" with 3rd degree burns
When you do run oil, the new coffin tankers can break the old speed limit.
I lied but that can go faster
Oooh
Wood planks and beams to the iron mine, iron to smelter and beams and rail to the coal mine.
The snap lock shifter makes sense from the perspective of hot swapping the gearbox at the track.
Thats pretty much it. They designed the cars to be fast, and fast cars eat transmissions.
kAN's realization about monopolies of railroads was actually borne out in the United States and led to the rise of groups such as the Farmer's Alliance. It's also why some practices such as "buy and deny" are now illegal because railroads would buy track and then refuse to use it to strong-arm money.
The Fast and the Fairlie should be the first movie where the main character starts out with a russian Fairlie and they blow up one boiler and that creates the momentum to win.
So to put into perspective how QUICKLY the cordwood dwindles down. I can fill up the climax and instantly get rid of all 400 cordwood in the refueling station.
Love your videos didnt know there was a railroad museum in golden til after I found your videos today can’t wait to come back home on leave and go! love the railroad love your videos plus they help me figure out my railroad online!
Step by step instructions on how to laugh.
1: Make a choo choo go to bed (On it’s side)
2: Enter the choo choo (F menu)
3: Exit the choo choo and go into 3rd person
Oh boy
Speaking of clutches, I put the second clutch in my dads 76 trans am,it had 240k miles on it. So yeah it’s all about the driver.
I paused the video to go watch the other one, so I didn't forget about it. I'm just amazed at what it took to derail the train.
19:30, very few boilers will survive a direct hit from a 75mm Armor Piercing shot or shell, you could probably derail or stop a train very easily that way
Nothing lights a fire under someone's arse like sending a video clip to their boss.
There should be a list of things with suggestions for Hyce and kAN to do when kAN is visiting😊
Love seeing relevant clips included, Keep it up!
Waiting for the day you guys have some yard helpers loading and unloading cars while you and Kan run a road train around the map stopping at each industry to drop off or collect cars. Maybe even another road train so there is traffic and make use of sidings and what not.
to pick up all the cars from the industry. Hyce left the brake on all way from the coal mine back to the hump yard
KCS shreveport yard wasn't built super great either. Mains on the west side. The initial receiving/departure (long yard) east of it. The bowl was slap in the middle of the yard. I believe they added the backside receiving/departure at some point to east of that. Round house is the most east. North end, power has to wait for the switching lead to clear to go from roundhouse to main/long yard or vice versa. Then the trim jobs block the world on the south end of dragging and shoving trains into the long yard/backside. Then with the advent of PSR, I think there are a lot of switching moves that block main and long yard too. A lot if sit and wait happening.
For the shop rules of wrecking the trains, RO! needs soft body physics do you can italicize the tenders and actually be able to tell how not good your engines and rolling stock are
I just love this series, it inspired me to get into trains and get a pretty large modelrailway im building right now!!!