@@Hyce777 OH BOY. So, the California Endangered Species Act, which does not allow "insects" to be added as threatened species. They allowed the trinity bristle snail to be considered a "fish" in the eyes of the law, and they used the same loophole to protect bees as well. They concluded that the word “fish” should be considered a legal “term of art,” and not taken to mean a literal aquatic vertebrate. Bees are legally fish so they can be considered threatened. So yeah. Bees are fish.
I come from a union family (both on & off the railroad) and I’m all for people unionizing, but the whole “we need an electrician to plug in the fridge” crap is EXACTLY why unions have gotten a terrible reputation the last several decades
Our convention centre is a Teamsters building. Couldn’t plug in an electrical cable, had to wait for a teamster. Thank god they didn’t break it down and specify an electrician, just a teamster would do. So I went down to set up an emergency shelter. I was (coincidentally) also a teamster, but not being in the mood to argue the point, had to confirm that though we couldn’t plug in a cable, it was only the cable to the socket we couldn’t plug in, but we could plug into THAT cable. My regular job, we’re all AFSCME. Just don’t do the mechanic’s work and we’re good. I really think they should just join a catchall union for that purpose. Just join BLET and get on with your day. I fully support unions for collective bargaining, but once they jump in and dictate exactly how you do your job, that is the nonsense that makes your job irritating, never mind everyone else’s. I used to drive truck for a grocery store. Stores were short staff, especially in the evenings or weekends when we’d show up. We had several stores that didn’t have a lumper with his forklift card on shift. I had one. One store considered it, but found a carded lumper, most others just allowed me to unload. Makes the day go much easier. Leads me to the point, no jobs are being taken by non union labour, we’re all still getting paid whether or not we’re even doing anything. Now if they made it procedure where the (non union) truck drivers would unload the trucks, and lay off the four lumpers, that’s a completely different argument.
@@jaysmith1408the flip side is the carriers love to pit craft unions against each other. The railroads love to get the BLET and UTU fighting each other, and we all get screwed in the long run. I’m sure it’s the same way with other crafts.
I've experienced that first-hand at convention and expo centers. In addition to the extension cord plugging BS and rearranging folding tables...one time had a place where we wanted to tape down wires on our display so no visitors would fall over them. Nope, only the Union folk are allowed to tape wires to the floor. Ok, Union person we need this wire taped...nope, that's not OUR wire, that's YOUR wire, we aren't allowed to tape that wire. So we ended up just saying "be careful don't trip" a lot all weekend, and only had a couple people trip. All over trying to use a little tape to hold a wire to the floor! I positively HATE the nonsense that unions cause.
There's a couple union shops in my industry, I got caught out as a guest asking questions by "I can't do that, I have to wait for X craft". But they're all much bigger operations that can keep both crafts busy all shift without overlap.
I'd be one to get in trouble here. I see a small task that I knew I could do and that task was holding me up from getting my other tasks done, I just be like... Bleep it and get her done so I can do my work.
This is why I will never work at a union facility. Complete waste of time and money, and then they get pissy when you call them on their bullshit. No thanks. Part of the reason why everything leaves the USA. Normal thinking people just get the job done.
This reminds me of a time one of my local railroaders decided to park his train on the main line rather then going to the siding nearby. Clogged up the whole railroad since he left to go get lunch. The crew for the other symbol didn’t want to move power assigned to the other crew, so the train sat on the main for a few hours until the crew got back. 😂
5:15 my malicious compliance just had a knee jerk reaction of calling an electrician any time i needed to use power tools. I.E. battery needs replaced/ charged, or if its corded it needs plugged in.
Hearing all this union stuff is crazy. Being a shortline mechanic, we work on anything that has to do with the locomotive, electrical, piping you name it. In a shortline environment you are a jack of all trades.... but the master of none lol
Wow, for once I guessed the twist correctly! During my year in a tourist railroad, the freight/shop crews often used the term “set it up as a boxcar” for making a locomotive ready to tow. I can’t imagine how many incidents it took to convince crews to remove the MU hoses to ship locomotives!
I mean, if you consider that a diesel is just a boxcar with the components inside of it to actually power itself (in a super simplified sense), it makes sense that the reverse is also true. A diesel incapable of actually powering itself is just a boxcar that holds broken train parts in it.
The problem is that it’s most likely a fully functioning locomotive. I have worked for several several short lines and have moved a bunch of locomotives to other locations. Some of these were in fact broken and nonfunctional but most left our facility fully functional. We just cannot move them as functional or really bad things happen. Crews looking for power will appropriate them and they get lost or damaged. So we disable them and change air brake settings under the cab to make them function as a boxcar. We also post the waybill in the windows of the cab. The problem is, there are a lot of employed people who either can’t or won’t read their orders nor that waybill. There’s a lot of stupid that happens on the railroad.
This reminds me. So, I used to volunteer at a heritage tramway. Now, we had a very tall double-decker tram, No. 26. The wires in certain places got low enough that No. 26 was barred from those areas over possible electric shocks. There were big red, black, and white signs that had a picture of No. 26 specifically showing not to take it down there. That was ignored constantly. So long as you didn't go into the upper floor, in theory, you would be fine. I once saw No. 26 parked on one of these sections, right next to one of the signs, and thought: No. 26: "I wonder who that's for?"
Reminds me of setting up a trade show booth at McCormick Place in Chicago. Foreman "Tony", assistant foreman "Anthony", coincidentally his son. Electricians must plug things in, and you wait a couple hours. Eventually, our guy has a talk with Tony, an envelope changes hands, and suddenly stuff gets moving.
When i worked at the airport there was one hangar that was a union shop & we were not allowed to open the hangar door because pressing that button required a union electrician. Fine.. I guess your airplane will sit out on the ramp through that hailstorm then. Hundreds of thousands in damage ensued.
On similar thing to the GP unit that's a 'boxcar': The British rail class 99 'locomotives' that floated. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_99_(ships) Because BR bought a computer system developed for union pacific, that tracked locomotives and cars. But BR had ships, so they needed to record them in the computer. So they were given engine numbers 99001 through 99015, and recorded as locomotives in the computer system. (This computer system is still in use to this day).
Did the humber paddle steamers wingfield & tattershell castle ever get TOPS numbers? they did run till 1974 and even got repainted into what is sealink livery...
I have just to opposite story. Union Pacific has new MOW power, it's a SD40-2, with a new body, and Maintenance of way lettering. Kind of like a F-Unit now. it's not a "locomotive" (For union reasons.), it's a piece of MOW Equipment. One of them recently showed up at Albina Yard, needing new wheels. Yardmaster sends it to the One Spot (carshop), it's a piece of MOW equipment. We don't have a lot of room either, and here it comes on our inbound tracks. I asked what are we supposed to do with that thing? Manager says nothing, it's a Locomotive. Well, it does not belong on our inbound tracks, call someone, it needs to go to the engine house. Well if the call was made, it was likely met with, why would a piece of MOW equipment go to the engine house? They shoved it into the one spot track. It takes a couple days to make it into the shop. They do nothing to it and shove it thru, takes another day to be pulled. Then some MOW Manager calls, asks if it's done. Leadman says no, we don't work on Locomotives, it needs to go to engine house. Next day I come in, it's in our inbound tracks again, rinse repeat 2 more times. After the 3rd trip thru, and a couple weeks later, MOW Manager calls again, are you guys done yet? We really need it back. Our manager says same thing to leadman again, who starts to tell the MOW Manager. I yelled wait, tell him we can't do the work because the car shop does not have a drop table for removing traction motors, but the engine house does. That is the only way to change wheels on his piece of "Maintenance of Way Equipment", by removing the traction motors. Leadman tells him this, and call ends. They pulled it that night, we have never seen it again, I don't know if it ever made it to the engine house.
When CN switches DPUs out of long trains they often leave them in "box car mode" so they can be picked up and taken to the engine shop like a box car would so they do not have to worry about any locomotive connections.
Real railroad shop: I can't move this engine or touch this wiring b/c I'm not in the authorized department! Preservation railroad shop: *works on brakes* $^@*! Why the I park it like this! And why did I wire this cr@p like that! A$^@*^×)!^$&×!!!!!
Oh god, am I working at a historic railroad? I order parts, I do shipping and receiving, I do tech support, and all of that is on top of my actual job of repairing things. And I'm usually swearing all day long...
When I moved to Seattle in the mid-80's, that roundhouse was a beautiful brick building. Then, it disappeared under metal siding. I thought 'They are planning to demolish it, so they have covered it under metal siding so nobody remembers how beautiful it was before they demolish it.' More than 30 years later, it's still there!
Hey Hyce, I'm starting training as a Conductor with CSX tomorrow morning and I just wanted to say I love your videos and thank you for motivating me to get into this world of rail!
Small railroads *HATE* shipping locomotives over the Class 1's, because they almost invariably get lost in voids exactly like this one. I believe the Wisconsin Great Northern had a new-to-them GP7 fall into the abyss for awhile not too long ago.
I wonder if something like this is what got the Northern Maine potato crop lost in the Penn Central System for long enough that it rotted because the reefer cars ran out of ice.
@@timothystamm3200 that was just good old fashioned mismanagement of the entire railroad. There’s a 12 hour podcast epic from Well There’s Your Problem on the Penn Central and they touch on that incident.
@EyeMWing Yes, I've watched it, but I wonder if the issue was old rules being in place and because of a misunderstanding of them or an attempt to change them that didn't get full circulation someone wasn't informed what those were and that they needed to get to their destination in a timely manner. They couldn't just be shoved aside and forgotten. I'll bet someone misclassified it in a manner where no one wanted to touch them. Though it could copy the mistake this video is about in the manner that someone didn't know what it was and just shoved it somewhere and wouldn't listen until they were told that something literally smelled.
The thing about who plugs in something on a locomotive reminds me about something that I heard about the theatre and how things work on the stage with certain things like for example a lamp. The props department can bring it on stage but the lighting department has to plug it in and unplug it before props can touch it again.
In a Union shop it's not usually like that-- until the company does something shitty or underhanded, then everyone gets all "work to rule." I worked on a line that paid extra-- piece work. And we learned all the minor non safety related "fixes" to minor problems to keep that line singing for 8hrs non stop. We learned ways to take our breaks and lunches in a way that didn't impeded production. Then one day the company decided they didn't want to pay incentive bonus, or piece work anymore. Fine, we just stopped doing all those little things and took our time finding a supervisor to tell him to get an electrician or millwright-- which because they cut back on them could be a half mile away at the other end of the plant. The Company was well within the rules of the Collective Agreement to stop the incentive bonus plan. And we were well within the rules of the Collective Agreement also. One big unhappy family.
@@rodchallis8031oh yeah, shenanigans beget shenanigans. Last case, I worked for a truck leasing company. We we all teamsters, with a terrible contract. Just about all we got, was overtime after eight hours. District came down and said, rental business is slow (with closures and lockdowns), they’re not going to pay overtime. Alrighty then, we won’t work any. There is nothing we could do in under an hour. Our closest lease customer was about twenty or so minutes away, took the time to pick and drop the truck, and twenty or so minutes to get back. Not milking the clock, really couldn’t do anything in under an hour. So at eight o’clock, we were in the cafeteria watching Chicago Fire or ChiPs, depending on the day. Management was pissed that we were just sitting around for an entire hour before the end of shift. We explained the dilemma. Pay us the extra ten minutes it takes to get the jobs done, and we won’t sit around for an hour. Otherwise we got to work in the shop, work with the mechanics, fuel and wash the trucks (saved the average half hour wait for a fueler). About a week later, we heard they were paying a couple people overtime as straight time. Very shortly after, we were on the phone with the union. Went as follows. “You hearing this?” “They WHAT?! Hang on” “YOU WHAT?!” “Uhh, umm, well uhh” “I’m back, overtime is restored, you can finish whatever jobs need done, and back pay will be in the next cheque”.
@@rodchallis8031man I hate it when the company screws you over. I want things to run smoothly, I want to be one big happy family, but they really screw you over sometimes.
Well, I think a lot of stuff happens at work that's just "shit that happens" and I managed to not get all paranoid or pissed off or vindictive over too much stuff. In the example I mentioned, though, we learned extra stuff and learned how to waste as few *seconds* in a shift bringing the A+ game to work every day, evening or night. I'm sure the company had good economic reasons in their eyes to get rid of the incentive pay. But I also am free to make the same economic assessment when it comes to busting a gut for less money. Less money, less gut busting. And, I am sure they factored in that exact reaction.
@@rodchallis8031 yeah, totally get it. When the company doesn't go above and beyond for you, you don't go above and beyond for them. I'm a guy who likes to give it my all, but it's annoying when the company gives you negative motivation to do that. So you make sure you take EVERY break you are allowed, you take a few extra minutes on the shitter. Delay a few seconds here and there. If they're nickel and dimeing me, I'm gonna nickel and dime them too. I just wish it didn't have to be that way.
The Oklahoma Railway Museum has the ex-BNSF hydrogen unit, which no longer has any of the hydrogen system. So it’s essentially an empty shell with nice cab and trucks. I got to see it and the thumbnail immediately reminded me of that
My father was the R&D engineer for a large global company. We were also farmers. He ALWAYS wore a flannel shirt, blue jeans and steel toed boots even to court cases! One day he was getting frustrated at work and walked to the breakroom. He passed the maintenance crew busting concrete down by the loading dock with sledgehammers. He said "man you guys look hot and tired, I need a little stress relief, mind if I swing that sledge for awhile? You can take a break" sure, no problem! The head of another department walked by, also a farmer, eyed the situation, relieved another maintenance man and started swinging. The head of engineering walked by and did likewise. Everyone was happy. A truck driver walked in and saw the maintenance men drinking cold pop and smoking cigarettes watching the proceedings. He said to dad "I haven't seen you guys before who are you?" Dad shook his hand and said "hello, I'm the R&D engineer, this man's the head of production, and this is the head of engineering" the driver was awestruck and said "by god, this ain't no union shop!" And walked away shaking his head! Dads father had worked for the CCC&C " big four", my great grandfather died working on the Pennsylvania, (I still have the crowbar that killed him the railroad gave the family) and the Nickel Plate (now N.S.) went through the farm.
The workaround lots of the world does for those type of rules is the highest report in each location being permitted to do anything, they normally only manage so unions don't have any concern with loosing work/roles, but when one "boxcar" fouls your entire process, or somebody needs to walk a mile to plug in a fridge, they can step out of the office, fix the problem, then return to their paperwork... normally shaking their head about ridiculous rules the entire time.
As a retired yardmaster, I feel your pain. It wasn't just the mechanical department that got that Excedrin headache #5, the transportation department also shared the misery. Once we had an engine (boxcar) come in to the terminal and it hung around for weeks like a bad suit because of clearance issues. We finally got rid of it only to have the damned thing come back through a week or so later and it got set off again in our terminal. Luckily, the RR that owned it were now watching it like a hawk and it only stayed there a day or two, never to be seen again. Oversized loads that needed clearance were also a pain in the pants, but that's another long, sad RR story... you did a great job of explaining the reasons why things can be so crappy to deal with at the RR!
I talked with the yard guys enough. You guys got it much worse than we did. Yardmaster at interbay sounded like the worst job on the railroad. Lol. Sounds about right. Thanks for sharing your story!
Reminds me of when I worked in "The Milwaukee Road" shop in Milwaukee, WI, in 79/80. However, they were in their third bankruptcy and going under. We no longer had labors except for their union rep, who would bitch and moan whenever one of us trade craft types would do one of their jobs so we could get to doing ours. The Milwaukee shops closed Apr 12th 1980 at the loss of 7000 jobs.
I think I saw that Geep in Shelton c. 2020ish, still lettered for P&W. I guess maybe it went from Portland to you, and then back down to PSAP. That's a weird move. Side note, those tracks the reefers are on used to be stub-ended, with an unconnected turnout sitting nearby. Eventually the industry in question decided to complete the connection on the east end (just out of view when you showed it) so they could use their Plymouth to service both tracks. I designed that connection, and it wasn't easy; the adjacent trail and fences meant the clearances there are very tight.
Oh wow! Small freaking world man. Yeah it's hella tight in there. And navigating the blimps that are those reefers.... Lord. Must've been an interesting one!
As a laborer In Tulsa we get DIC, DIT, & Rev moves all the time. Kinda sucks when we’re trying to moving and build consists; they’re always in our way occupying our other service tracks. So we will have less room for outbounds and they’ll sit at the diesel shop for days waiting to go somewhere else. I wish they just keep them in the yard or on the train.. little rant, love the video 👍🏻
17:40 I work a few miles south of you at Amtrak. We had an old head engineer who had a saying, "We're a transportation company, not a communication company."
Hi Mark, that was a well told, and enlightening, description of rail yard workings. Liked hearing about the various types of specialists allowed to move and work on specific things. I now better understand what a hostler does. Using Google maps to illustrate what you were talking about and at the same time giving us a tour of where you worked was brilliant! I so enjoy your SFS episodes Mark, they are both hilarious and educational. Another fabulous video Professor, many thanks for creating it and looking forward to the next episode. As always cheers to you!
Man, this reminds me of a story my trainer at UP told me: "a locomotive may show up as a boxcar on your manifest, you treat it like a specialty car and for the love of God don't kick it down the track like one of the new guys did a couple years ago. Guy saw it listed as a box car, decided my paper work says a boxcar and kicked it into the bowl."
Since I saw the thumb I've been trying to figure out how that was a _boxcar_. Thank you for the fun story. Love these little slices of modern railroad life and big-organization shenanigans. More please! :)
Wow, what a mess. This was a fun and interesting video. I had a friend ( Less Olver ) whom worked as the yard master for the PC and later for CR here in the Dunkirk yard. He always said if you need / wanted overtime, do not do anything to try and cause it to happen. Just fallow the rules and you will get all the overtime you want. Less had a lot of great stories. I wish I had put them on video while he was still with us.
Box car on paper. There. If what's on the video thumbnail was actually the thing that was being argued about when the logistical fiasco was the thing and not just there for props, then I have to say that the P&W recently had to get rid of it because the parent company was under fire from the EPA for failing to comply with certain regulations. Ironically, they ordered several newer GP38-2's (which are really no different emissions-wise than the 1xxx fleet they got rid of).
Once upon a time a large construction company named Morris Knudsen went into the business of refurbishing, upgrading and customizing used motive power for railroads, and one day they also decided to do locomotive leasing & rentals for a while. Those rental/lease things would get lost in transit on the mainline railroads all the time. The old lease period was up 7 months ago and it's still not on the new client's trackage. That is called how to lose money.
@@alexander1485so they say it can’t be MU’d, but it otherwise is for all other reasonable people, a fully functioning locomotive, which in this specific case, must be DIT. It ‘could’ be started and run, but it ‘shouldn’t’
@@matthewmiller6068 The airplane equivalent would be pulling a terminal tractor into the hangar and expecting the aircraft mechanic who mostly works on jet engines and old Continentals to perform a full service on it without a wiring diagram or a fluid specs sheet.
reminds me of this other youtube channel I saw one time where a guy was getting a engine prepped to be a "Box-Car" so it could get shipped by rail from somewhere in south USA up to Canada... it ended up being handled by something like 3-5 different rail companies before it made it to its new home (about 11 months late...)
I worked in Tigard in the 00s and I'm sure I saw this one in service there. The WES units also arrived as "boxcars" but an employee traveled with them to make sure they didn't get lost. (Hi Jody if you're still out there.)
@5:40 same shit happens at my shipyard but its a safety thing hyce ... they dont want you not thinking with maybe a glove with some sweat on it and you plug in the fridge and zap
I knew it had to be a classification technicality but wasnt surprised that nobody knew what was going on with it. My brother who works for UP could tell so many stupid stories like this. I often wonder how anything actually gets done at all on the Railroads.
You always talking about the book Little engines and big men, in your kah co-op videos, got me interested in it and I just won an auction for it, cant wait to read about the engine being brought to the other side of the train after being snowed in.
I worked for a big corporation for thirty years and in a union. Yes, I understand everything you said. I saw the waist but also reaped the benefits. The benefits won out. Thanks!
Sounds like a typical day on my HO Scale layout - CRSR in University Place, WA. I get Tacoma Rail power Genset and SD70ACe visiting mixed with a few private railroad power (from my friend's layout) and its always a mess trying to switch power in a single weekend.
Reminds me of people put a “steam locomotive outline” body over a diesel locomotive and “qualified” it as a steam locomotive. Which is silly because when steam locomotives were withdrawn, children and younger adults never saw a steam locomotive in traffic which makes it harder for them to tell a steam locomotive and a diesel locomotive apart
"Just send all the broken stuff to the maintenance facility at once." Good lord that is so true lol. Good to know it's not unique to where I work. You'll have 3 days with nothing of note, and then out of nowhere "hey I have 11 engines, and only two of them are running." "Oh ok..." looks at power sheet. "They want all of those to go back out within 12 hours..." "Yeah... And?" "Ok, drop them on the pad." *calls dispatcher to tell them someone's gonna be late leaving* It gets even better when half of the defects haven't been reported yet. Or they got reported, but didn't end up in the system where they're supposed to be.
I didn't realize this was a story from the shop video, I was expecting a one off shipment of military equipment or something that needed to be concealed in some way
at our roundhouse we have 3 trades,, machinist, electrician, laborer. except third shift. we have the electrician working gang leader who never leaves the office if he can help it, and me (electrician) who does all the service for all 3 trades. good times.
TE&Y crews can operate inside a mechanical facility with the permission of mechanical forces. I’ve gone through that scenario at Hinkle. I always felt nervous running inside a mechanical facility.
Thats the thing the nice Managers getting fired and those who are ashols staying because they get a bit more done per shift... What i see is that the moral of the team decreases and then the people leave We are 6 Pearsons that collect the parts for the productionline and 1 who goes around to support the people, same fore productionline but they are more people. One manager came to the idea if we work thruh the lunchbreak that they get instead of around 488 Axels 518 done. Now those who should support the people if to much work comes have to do the work on the stations while they go to lunch, 7 people everyone has 30min break = 3,5h untill they had their lunch, now half of the team is looking for a new workplace
Rules like this are everywhere. I got a rude introduction to them on my first job out of college. I got a job as a field service tech at a medium sized electronics company. I was classified as an EST (Electrical service tech.). Because I was a field service tech, I could do mechanical work to install or remove equipment. And that meant I could handle mechanical tools (wrenches, screwdrivers, etc). Then I made a move to the engineering dept and became an EET (Electrical engineering Tech). And I immediately got into trouble because my tool box had mechanical tools in it. And as an electrical technician, I wasn't allowed to do mechanical work in the engineering department.
One of my business partners also owns a locomotive leasing company, and crap like this happens ALL THE TIME with units in transit. Meanwhile the customer is like hey why has my unit been sitting in some class 1’s shop for three days and not moving!?
Similarly, crews picking up a short line engine in Snohomish and dragging it all the way to Everett with the handbrake on because no one had the keys to the cab to release it😂 I think it got a few new wheels courtesy of big orange😁
@@Elliottblancher : I was running the Rivarossi model equivalent on a branchline job at the model railroad ops session last night, and had an amusing problem from giving it too many beans. It was late and dispatch had gone home, and I was reassembling my train after having doubled a hill (because, no, the model doesn't pull much either!), and had uncoupled some cars and was sitting right in front of some points on a switch that was set for the diverging track. And, because it was late, I gave it the beans to take off at a rather unprototypical rate of acceleration, and the little engine pulled a tiny little wheelie and jumped the front wheels over the points and derailed. I don't suppose Derail Valley simulates that particular bit of behavior, but they should!
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Looks at the locomotive in the thumbnail. Title of the video says it's a boxcar.
Feels like a comical bureaucracy moment.
Not wrong. Lmao
It's a *union* bureaucracy moment!
Together, we stand confused!
@@Kromaatiksemore than unions, bud. Its the combo of corporate, union, and FRA bureaucracy.
Just 22 minutes of rambling. 🙄
Sees GP unit. Corporate: Yup Boxcar!
It's a GWR GP (Genesee Wyoming railroad)
@@datguymiller GP as in a GP9 locomotive.
Walls ✅️
Roof ✅️
Wheels ✅️
= boxcar.
@@rjohnson1690 yes
... this reminds me of how bees are considered fish in California
....what
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I live a California and I’ve never heard THAT before Edit: Omg 16 likes!?! Thank you so much
@@Hyce777due to the way an environmental protection law is worded, bees and several other animals are considered fish. It's really stupid.
@@Hyce777 OH BOY. So, the California Endangered Species Act, which does not allow "insects" to be added as threatened species. They allowed the trinity bristle snail to be considered a "fish" in the eyes of the law, and they used the same loophole to protect bees as well. They concluded that the word “fish” should be considered a legal “term of art,” and not taken to mean a literal aquatic vertebrate. Bees are legally fish so they can be considered threatened.
So yeah. Bees are fish.
I come from a union family (both on & off the railroad) and I’m all for people unionizing, but the whole “we need an electrician to plug in the fridge” crap is EXACTLY why unions have gotten a terrible reputation the last several decades
Our convention centre is a Teamsters building. Couldn’t plug in an electrical cable, had to wait for a teamster. Thank god they didn’t break it down and specify an electrician, just a teamster would do. So I went down to set up an emergency shelter. I was (coincidentally) also a teamster, but not being in the mood to argue the point, had to confirm that though we couldn’t plug in a cable, it was only the cable to the socket we couldn’t plug in, but we could plug into THAT cable.
My regular job, we’re all AFSCME. Just don’t do the mechanic’s work and we’re good.
I really think they should just join a catchall union for that purpose. Just join BLET and get on with your day.
I fully support unions for collective bargaining, but once they jump in and dictate exactly how you do your job, that is the nonsense that makes your job irritating, never mind everyone else’s. I used to drive truck for a grocery store. Stores were short staff, especially in the evenings or weekends when we’d show up. We had several stores that didn’t have a lumper with his forklift card on shift. I had one. One store considered it, but found a carded lumper, most others just allowed me to unload. Makes the day go much easier. Leads me to the point, no jobs are being taken by non union labour, we’re all still getting paid whether or not we’re even doing anything. Now if they made it procedure where the (non union) truck drivers would unload the trucks, and lay off the four lumpers, that’s a completely different argument.
@@jaysmith1408the flip side is the carriers love to pit craft unions against each other. The railroads love to get the BLET and UTU fighting each other, and we all get screwed in the long run. I’m sure it’s the same way with other crafts.
I come from union people and ive never Been union and don't want to be,with most of the union people I've worked with ill pass and keep my cash
That’s like saying you prefer to eat feces than prime rib. To each their own I guess.
I've experienced that first-hand at convention and expo centers. In addition to the extension cord plugging BS and rearranging folding tables...one time had a place where we wanted to tape down wires on our display so no visitors would fall over them. Nope, only the Union folk are allowed to tape wires to the floor. Ok, Union person we need this wire taped...nope, that's not OUR wire, that's YOUR wire, we aren't allowed to tape that wire. So we ended up just saying "be careful don't trip" a lot all weekend, and only had a couple people trip. All over trying to use a little tape to hold a wire to the floor! I positively HATE the nonsense that unions cause.
I would get in so much trouble working at a unionized place like that because I'd probably do 5 different people's jobs without even realizing it.
There's a couple union shops in my industry, I got caught out as a guest asking questions by "I can't do that, I have to wait for X craft". But they're all much bigger operations that can keep both crafts busy all shift without overlap.
I'd be one to get in trouble here. I see a small task that I knew I could do and that task was holding me up from getting my other tasks done, I just be like... Bleep it and get her done so I can do my work.
This is why I will never work at a union facility. Complete waste of time and money, and then they get pissy when you call them on their bullshit. No thanks. Part of the reason why everything leaves the USA. Normal thinking people just get the job done.
Same here I’m the kind of person that will jump in if they need help even if it isn’t my job! People like us what helps companies run!
@@SleeTheSlothsame
This reminds me of a time one of my local railroaders decided to park his train on the main line rather then going to the siding nearby. Clogged up the whole railroad since he left to go get lunch. The crew for the other symbol didn’t want to move power assigned to the other crew, so the train sat on the main for a few hours until the crew got back. 😂
5:15 my malicious compliance just had a knee jerk reaction of calling an electrician any time i needed to use power tools. I.E. battery needs replaced/ charged, or if its corded it needs plugged in.
I'll drink to that!
Hearing all this union stuff is crazy. Being a shortline mechanic, we work on anything that has to do with the locomotive, electrical, piping you name it.
In a shortline environment you are a jack of all trades....
but the master of none lol
I work for a Class II and it's the same story lol.
Wow, for once I guessed the twist correctly! During my year in a tourist railroad, the freight/shop crews often used the term “set it up as a boxcar” for making a locomotive ready to tow. I can’t imagine how many incidents it took to convince crews to remove the MU hoses to ship locomotives!
I mean, if you consider that a diesel is just a boxcar with the components inside of it to actually power itself (in a super simplified sense), it makes sense that the reverse is also true. A diesel incapable of actually powering itself is just a boxcar that holds broken train parts in it.
The problem is that it’s most likely a fully functioning locomotive. I have worked for several several short lines and have moved a bunch of locomotives to other locations. Some of these were in fact broken and nonfunctional but most left our facility fully functional.
We just cannot move them as functional or really bad things happen. Crews looking for power will appropriate them and they get lost or damaged. So we disable them and change air brake settings under the cab to make them function as a boxcar. We also post the waybill in the windows of the cab.
The problem is, there are a lot of employed people who either can’t or won’t read their orders nor that waybill.
There’s a lot of stupid that happens on the railroad.
This reminds me. So, I used to volunteer at a heritage tramway. Now, we had a very tall double-decker tram, No. 26. The wires in certain places got low enough that No. 26 was barred from those areas over possible electric shocks. There were big red, black, and white signs that had a picture of No. 26 specifically showing not to take it down there.
That was ignored constantly. So long as you didn't go into the upper floor, in theory, you would be fine. I once saw No. 26 parked on one of these sections, right next to one of the signs, and thought:
No. 26: "I wonder who that's for?"
Reminds me of setting up a trade show booth at McCormick Place in Chicago. Foreman "Tony", assistant foreman "Anthony", coincidentally his son. Electricians must plug things in, and you wait a couple hours. Eventually, our guy has a talk with Tony, an envelope changes hands, and suddenly stuff gets moving.
When i worked at the airport there was one hangar that was a union shop & we were not allowed to open the hangar door because pressing that button required a union electrician.
Fine.. I guess your airplane will sit out on the ramp through that hailstorm then.
Hundreds of thousands in damage ensued.
Sounds about right... Lol
The plane's owner should have sued the union for the damage incurred due to their obstinacy.
Unions are freaking worthless
@@kristoffermangila The plane belonged to an airline... they just passed the costs on to you.
On similar thing to the GP unit that's a 'boxcar': The British rail class 99 'locomotives' that floated. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_99_(ships) Because BR bought a computer system developed for union pacific, that tracked locomotives and cars. But BR had ships, so they needed to record them in the computer. So they were given engine numbers 99001 through 99015, and recorded as locomotives in the computer system. (This computer system is still in use to this day).
It was TOPS, created by Southern Pacific, not UP.
That's a fascinating niche piece of history, lol!
Class 99 is the best train class. Most diverse
There is a new class 99 for one of the freight operators over there on order now. This one actually is locomotive…
Did the humber paddle steamers wingfield & tattershell castle ever get TOPS numbers? they did run till 1974 and even got repainted into what is sealink livery...
*On The Radio*: “O Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo? The fridge in 348 is ready to have the whip on it.” Lmao
meanwhile union pacifics weed sprayer looking like a boxcar and being a locomotive...also love the content man!
I have just to opposite story. Union Pacific has new MOW power, it's a SD40-2, with a new body, and Maintenance of way lettering. Kind of like a F-Unit now. it's not a "locomotive" (For union reasons.), it's a piece of MOW Equipment. One of them recently showed up at Albina Yard, needing new wheels. Yardmaster sends it to the One Spot (carshop), it's a piece of MOW equipment. We don't have a lot of room either, and here it comes on our inbound tracks. I asked what are we supposed to do with that thing? Manager says nothing, it's a Locomotive. Well, it does not belong on our inbound tracks, call someone, it needs to go to the engine house. Well if the call was made, it was likely met with, why would a piece of MOW equipment go to the engine house? They shoved it into the one spot track. It takes a couple days to make it into the shop. They do nothing to it and shove it thru, takes another day to be pulled. Then some MOW Manager calls, asks if it's done. Leadman says no, we don't work on Locomotives, it needs to go to engine house. Next day I come in, it's in our inbound tracks again, rinse repeat 2 more times. After the 3rd trip thru, and a couple weeks later, MOW Manager calls again, are you guys done yet? We really need it back. Our manager says same thing to leadman again, who starts to tell the MOW Manager. I yelled wait, tell him we can't do the work because the car shop does not have a drop table for removing traction motors, but the engine house does. That is the only way to change wheels on his piece of "Maintenance of Way Equipment", by removing the traction motors. Leadman tells him this, and call ends. They pulled it that night, we have never seen it again, I don't know if it ever made it to the engine house.
Like MOW trains where they booger up a locomotive so that it doesn't look like a locomotive, so track dept can operate the train.
When CN switches DPUs out of long trains they often leave them in "box car mode" so they can be picked up and taken to the engine shop like a box car would so they do not have to worry about any locomotive connections.
The only reason they do that is to save time vs. a conventional MU set up and air test.
@@Paul070 Like I said, they don't need to be on line and loaded to be moved from point A to point B.
Real railroad shop: I can't move this engine or touch this wiring b/c I'm not in the authorized department!
Preservation railroad shop: *works on brakes* $^@*! Why the I park it like this! And why did I wire this cr@p like that! A$^@*^×)!^$&×!!!!!
Toooooo freaking real
Oh god, am I working at a historic railroad?
I order parts, I do shipping and receiving, I do tech support, and all of that is on top of my actual job of repairing things.
And I'm usually swearing all day long...
@@phillyphakename1255, I'm afraid to say it: you work on a historic railroad
We call that a dummy. It looks like a locomotive and it acts like a boxcar.
When I moved to Seattle in the mid-80's, that roundhouse was a beautiful brick building. Then, it disappeared under metal siding. I thought 'They are planning to demolish it, so they have covered it under metal siding so nobody remembers how beautiful it was before they demolish it.' More than 30 years later, it's still there!
Spoiler alert, they now plan to drmolish it...
That "boxcar" has some nice trucks. They usually dont have such nice suspension! XD
Hey Hyce, I'm starting training as a Conductor with CSX tomorrow morning and I just wanted to say I love your videos and thank you for motivating me to get into this world of rail!
Hostlers are almost nonexistent nowadays. Also, they don't leave the terminal and are lower on the totem pole than a fireman.
Small railroads *HATE* shipping locomotives over the Class 1's, because they almost invariably get lost in voids exactly like this one. I believe the Wisconsin Great Northern had a new-to-them GP7 fall into the abyss for awhile not too long ago.
I wonder if something like this is what got the Northern Maine potato crop lost in the Penn Central System for long enough that it rotted because the reefer cars ran out of ice.
@@timothystamm3200 that was just good old fashioned mismanagement of the entire railroad. There’s a 12 hour podcast epic from Well There’s Your Problem on the Penn Central and they touch on that incident.
@EyeMWing Yes, I've watched it, but I wonder if the issue was old rules being in place and because of a misunderstanding of them or an attempt to change them that didn't get full circulation someone wasn't informed what those were and that they needed to get to their destination in a timely manner. They couldn't just be shoved aside and forgotten. I'll bet someone misclassified it in a manner where no one wanted to touch them. Though it could copy the mistake this video is about in the manner that someone didn't know what it was and just shoved it somewhere and wouldn't listen until they were told that something literally smelled.
I am simple. I see SFS, I click.
Same
Me too every time I see a Hyce video I click it
The "Box Car" did exactly as intended.
It hit yall like a Boxer and won some rounds.
What a mess.
So THAT'S why they call them "Box Cars". XD
The thing about who plugs in something on a locomotive reminds me about something that I heard about the theatre and how things work on the stage with certain things like for example a lamp. The props department can bring it on stage but the lighting department has to plug it in and unplug it before props can touch it again.
In a Union shop it's not usually like that-- until the company does something shitty or underhanded, then everyone gets all "work to rule." I worked on a line that paid extra-- piece work. And we learned all the minor non safety related "fixes" to minor problems to keep that line singing for 8hrs non stop. We learned ways to take our breaks and lunches in a way that didn't impeded production. Then one day the company decided they didn't want to pay incentive bonus, or piece work anymore. Fine, we just stopped doing all those little things and took our time finding a supervisor to tell him to get an electrician or millwright-- which because they cut back on them could be a half mile away at the other end of the plant. The Company was well within the rules of the Collective Agreement to stop the incentive bonus plan. And we were well within the rules of the Collective Agreement also. One big unhappy family.
@@rodchallis8031oh yeah, shenanigans beget shenanigans. Last case, I worked for a truck leasing company. We we all teamsters, with a terrible contract. Just about all we got, was overtime after eight hours. District came down and said, rental business is slow (with closures and lockdowns), they’re not going to pay overtime.
Alrighty then, we won’t work any.
There is nothing we could do in under an hour. Our closest lease customer was about twenty or so minutes away, took the time to pick and drop the truck, and twenty or so minutes to get back. Not milking the clock, really couldn’t do anything in under an hour.
So at eight o’clock, we were in the cafeteria watching Chicago Fire or ChiPs, depending on the day. Management was pissed that we were just sitting around for an entire hour before the end of shift. We explained the dilemma. Pay us the extra ten minutes it takes to get the jobs done, and we won’t sit around for an hour.
Otherwise we got to work in the shop, work with the mechanics, fuel and wash the trucks (saved the average half hour wait for a fueler).
About a week later, we heard they were paying a couple people overtime as straight time. Very shortly after, we were on the phone with the union. Went as follows.
“You hearing this?”
“They WHAT?! Hang on”
“YOU WHAT?!”
“Uhh, umm, well uhh”
“I’m back, overtime is restored, you can finish whatever jobs need done, and back pay will be in the next cheque”.
@@rodchallis8031man I hate it when the company screws you over. I want things to run smoothly, I want to be one big happy family, but they really screw you over sometimes.
Well, I think a lot of stuff happens at work that's just "shit that happens" and I managed to not get all paranoid or pissed off or vindictive over too much stuff. In the example I mentioned, though, we learned extra stuff and learned how to waste as few *seconds* in a shift bringing the A+ game to work every day, evening or night. I'm sure the company had good economic reasons in their eyes to get rid of the incentive pay. But I also am free to make the same economic assessment when it comes to busting a gut for less money. Less money, less gut busting. And, I am sure they factored in that exact reaction.
@@rodchallis8031 yeah, totally get it. When the company doesn't go above and beyond for you, you don't go above and beyond for them.
I'm a guy who likes to give it my all, but it's annoying when the company gives you negative motivation to do that. So you make sure you take EVERY break you are allowed, you take a few extra minutes on the shitter. Delay a few seconds here and there. If they're nickel and dimeing me, I'm gonna nickel and dime them too.
I just wish it didn't have to be that way.
The Oklahoma Railway Museum has the ex-BNSF hydrogen unit, which no longer has any of the hydrogen system. So it’s essentially an empty shell with nice cab and trucks. I got to see it and the thumbnail immediately reminded me of that
My father was the R&D engineer for a large global company. We were also farmers. He ALWAYS wore a flannel shirt, blue jeans and steel toed boots even to court cases! One day he was getting frustrated at work and walked to the breakroom. He passed the maintenance crew busting concrete down by the loading dock with sledgehammers. He said "man you guys look hot and tired, I need a little stress relief, mind if I swing that sledge for awhile? You can take a break" sure, no problem! The head of another department walked by, also a farmer, eyed the situation, relieved another maintenance man and started swinging. The head of engineering walked by and did likewise. Everyone was happy. A truck driver walked in and saw the maintenance men drinking cold pop and smoking cigarettes watching the proceedings. He said to dad "I haven't seen you guys before who are you?" Dad shook his hand and said "hello, I'm the R&D engineer, this man's the head of production, and this is the head of engineering" the driver was awestruck and said "by god, this ain't no union shop!" And walked away shaking his head! Dads father had worked for the CCC&C " big four", my great grandfather died working on the Pennsylvania, (I still have the crowbar that killed him the railroad gave the family) and the Nickel Plate (now N.S.) went through the farm.
The workaround lots of the world does for those type of rules is the highest report in each location being permitted to do anything, they normally only manage so unions don't have any concern with loosing work/roles, but when one "boxcar" fouls your entire process, or somebody needs to walk a mile to plug in a fridge, they can step out of the office, fix the problem, then return to their paperwork... normally shaking their head about ridiculous rules the entire time.
This is a great story. I could almost feel physical pain as you explained having to argue with the yard to come get the "boxcar".
Last time I was this early the RGS was turning a profit!
As a retired yardmaster, I feel your pain. It wasn't just the mechanical department that got that Excedrin headache #5, the transportation department also shared the misery. Once we had an engine (boxcar) come in to the terminal and it hung around for weeks like a bad suit because of clearance issues. We finally got rid of it only to have the damned thing come back through a week or so later and it got set off again in our terminal. Luckily, the RR that owned it were now watching it like a hawk and it only stayed there a day or two, never to be seen again. Oversized loads that needed clearance were also a pain in the pants, but that's another long, sad RR story... you did a great job of explaining the reasons why things can be so crappy to deal with at the RR!
I talked with the yard guys enough. You guys got it much worse than we did. Yardmaster at interbay sounded like the worst job on the railroad. Lol. Sounds about right. Thanks for sharing your story!
Reminds me of when I worked in "The Milwaukee Road" shop in Milwaukee, WI, in 79/80. However, they were in their third bankruptcy and going under. We no longer had labors except for their union rep, who would bitch and moan whenever one of us trade craft types would do one of their jobs so we could get to doing ours. The Milwaukee shops closed Apr 12th 1980 at the loss of 7000 jobs.
my dad and grandfather worked in Harlowton MT
I think I saw that Geep in Shelton c. 2020ish, still lettered for P&W. I guess maybe it went from Portland to you, and then back down to PSAP. That's a weird move.
Side note, those tracks the reefers are on used to be stub-ended, with an unconnected turnout sitting nearby. Eventually the industry in question decided to complete the connection on the east end (just out of view when you showed it) so they could use their Plymouth to service both tracks. I designed that connection, and it wasn't easy; the adjacent trail and fences meant the clearances there are very tight.
Oh wow! Small freaking world man. Yeah it's hella tight in there. And navigating the blimps that are those reefers.... Lord. Must've been an interesting one!
As a laborer In Tulsa we get DIC, DIT, & Rev moves all the time. Kinda sucks when we’re trying to moving and build consists; they’re always in our way occupying our other service tracks. So we will have less room for outbounds and they’ll sit at the diesel shop for days waiting to go somewhere else. I wish they just keep them in the yard or on the train.. little rant, love the video 👍🏻
Lol, glad to hear it resonates and I know your pain! Haha
“Hey VSauce, Hyce here! This is a boxcar. Or is it?”
17:40 I work a few miles south of you at Amtrak. We had an old head engineer who had a saying, "We're a transportation company, not a communication company."
Hi Mark, that was a well told, and enlightening, description of rail yard workings. Liked hearing about the various types of specialists allowed to move and work on specific things. I now better understand what a hostler does. Using Google maps to illustrate what you were talking about and at the same time giving us a tour of where you worked was brilliant! I so enjoy your SFS episodes Mark, they are both hilarious and educational. Another fabulous video Professor, many thanks for creating it and looking forward to the next episode. As always cheers to you!
"I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers."
Man, this reminds me of a story my trainer at UP told me: "a locomotive may show up as a boxcar on your manifest, you treat it like a specialty car and for the love of God don't kick it down the track like one of the new guys did a couple years ago. Guy saw it listed as a box car, decided my paper work says a boxcar and kicked it into the bowl."
Is this a locomotive?
No this is a boxcar!
mayonaise is not an instrument
I’m also simple, I saw a ginesse and Wyoming livery, I clicked
When i saw the title, i was really hoping they had torn out all the inner workings. and just made it a actual box car with a GP9 shell
A video on the reasons why railroads got unionized and the stories of the messes that they fixed would be interesting.
Since I saw the thumb I've been trying to figure out how that was a _boxcar_. Thank you for the fun story. Love these little slices of modern railroad life and big-organization shenanigans. More please! :)
Wow, what a mess. This was a fun and interesting video. I had a friend ( Less Olver ) whom worked as the yard master for the PC and later for CR here in the Dunkirk yard. He always said if you need / wanted overtime, do not do anything to try and cause it to happen. Just fallow the rules and you will get all the overtime you want. Less had a lot of great stories. I wish I had put them on video while he was still with us.
Box car on paper. There. If what's on the video thumbnail was actually the thing that was being argued about when the logistical fiasco was the thing and not just there for props, then I have to say that the P&W recently had to get rid of it because the parent company was under fire from the EPA for failing to comply with certain regulations. Ironically, they ordered several newer GP38-2's (which are really no different emissions-wise than the 1xxx fleet they got rid of).
Once upon a time a large construction company named Morris Knudsen went into the business of refurbishing, upgrading and customizing used motive power for railroads, and one day they also decided to do locomotive leasing & rentals for a while. Those rental/lease things would get lost in transit on the mainline railroads all the time. The old lease period was up 7 months ago and it's still not on the new client's trackage. That is called how to lose money.
Boxcar?? Must be a shell then.
no, just has air going through it, its not supposed to be MU'ed or started.
@@alexander1485so they say it can’t be MU’d, but it otherwise is for all other reasonable people, a fully functioning locomotive, which in this specific case, must be DIT. It ‘could’ be started and run, but it ‘shouldn’t’
I'm gussing this happened around 2017 as thats when PNW 1803 was transferred to the Olympia & Belmore Railroad in Centralia, WA
Memory is saying 2018; but certainly could be. I'll try and remember to check the date on my computer when I get back home..
"It's not a refrigerator, it's a water cooler" - as a railroader, I felt that 😂😂😂😂😂
When I see a locomotive and the title named THIS IS A BOXCAR!!!??? That's when I watch the video!
This is exactly how aircraft hangars work in the airlines as well.
What would the airplane-equivalent be? Calling it a bus that can't fly?
@@matthewmiller6068 The airplane equivalent would be pulling a terminal tractor into the hangar and expecting the aircraft mechanic who mostly works on jet engines and old Continentals to perform a full service on it without a wiring diagram or a fluid specs sheet.
Love the stories as always. Definitely why I subbed to you!
Well, that’s the strangest looking boxcar I've ever seen.
its a "term"
@@alexander1485 I know. Just thought it was funny.
Communication? What's that? I'm sure it isn't too important....
reminds me of this other youtube channel I saw one time where a guy was getting a engine prepped to be a "Box-Car" so it could get shipped by rail from somewhere in south USA up to Canada... it ended up being handled by something like 3-5 different rail companies before it made it to its new home (about 11 months late...)
Now I work in a depot in the UK. However, as a railway man, this video is entirely relatable! It's the exact same here!😄
If René Magritte was a railroad man...
Were there days where yall did nothing at the shop
A few. Not common. But some days when we had 4-5 units tops it was push broom city... Lol
@@Hyce777 cool man
what in the Schrodinger is going on
clearly its a box shape and its a railcar so surely it must be a boxcar
See's thumbnail of a old P&W loco, see those trains all the time as they run lumber into Portland.
I was expecting an actual boxcar disguised as a locomotive for hauling secret items around.
A wild Boxcar Appears! Maintenance uses Union Rules and hurts itself in the confusion.
I worked in Tigard in the 00s and I'm sure I saw this one in service there. The WES units also arrived as "boxcars" but an employee traveled with them to make sure they didn't get lost. (Hi Jody if you're still out there.)
I remember when that thing got left at the Delta RH for a week or two.
I wonder why the railroads are not the first choice for moving freight or anything else.
It seems like _everything_ that starts good always turns stupid.
This is because *PEOPLE* are stupid.
And the smart ones know how to make "stupid" work in their favor.
That boxcar is a spy!
Sounds like the service bays of any car dealership
Sounds like you need a jack of all trades who's allowed to do anything just so there is someone who can fix this kind of thing.
YES! A new stories from the shop episode
Thank you for the video, and the explanation. I truly enjoyed it!
@5:40 same shit happens at my shipyard but its a safety thing hyce ... they dont want you not thinking with maybe a glove with some sweat on it and you plug in the fridge and zap
I knew it had to be a classification technicality but wasnt surprised that nobody knew what was going on with it. My brother who works for UP could tell so many stupid stories like this. I often wonder how anything actually gets done at all on the Railroads.
Ah Portland and western.
You always talking about the book Little engines and big men, in your kah co-op videos, got me interested in it and I just won an auction for it, cant wait to read about the engine being brought to the other side of the train after being snowed in.
I worked for a big corporation for thirty years and in a union. Yes, I understand everything you said. I saw the waist but also reaped the benefits. The benefits won out. Thanks!
Sounds like a typical day on my HO Scale layout - CRSR in University Place, WA. I get Tacoma Rail power Genset and SD70ACe visiting mixed with a few private railroad power (from my friend's layout) and its always a mess trying to switch power in a single weekend.
Remember kids, don't be a plain succulent fish.
Reminds me of people put a “steam locomotive outline” body over a diesel locomotive and “qualified” it as a steam locomotive.
Which is silly because when steam locomotives were withdrawn, children and younger adults never saw a steam locomotive in traffic which makes it harder for them to tell a steam locomotive and a diesel locomotive apart
"Just send all the broken stuff to the maintenance facility at once." Good lord that is so true lol. Good to know it's not unique to where I work.
You'll have 3 days with nothing of note, and then out of nowhere "hey I have 11 engines, and only two of them are running."
"Oh ok..." looks at power sheet. "They want all of those to go back out within 12 hours..."
"Yeah... And?"
"Ok, drop them on the pad." *calls dispatcher to tell them someone's gonna be late leaving*
It gets even better when half of the defects haven't been reported yet. Or they got reported, but didn't end up in the system where they're supposed to be.
Most intricate and advanced Box Car I ever saw. XD
we don't have hostlers at our yard... we only have 1 engineer yard job... unless they call a "50" yard job (extra)
Every setup is different, haha
Labor is entitled to all it creates. Nothing wrong with keeping your subordinates happy,
I didn't realize this was a story from the shop video, I was expecting a one off shipment of military equipment or something that needed to be concealed in some way
Remember y'all, if it looks like a locomotive and smells like a locomotive, it might possibly be a boxcar.
at our roundhouse we have 3 trades,, machinist, electrician, laborer. except third shift. we have the electrician working gang leader who never leaves the office if he can help it, and me (electrician) who does all the service for all 3 trades. good times.
I remember seeing that GP9 sitting there and thinking it was cool to see a road I don't get to see often around here 😊
TE&Y crews can operate inside a mechanical facility with the permission of mechanical forces. I’ve gone through that scenario at Hinkle. I always felt nervous running inside a mechanical facility.
Thats the thing the nice Managers getting fired and those who are ashols staying because they get a bit more done per shift...
What i see is that the moral of the team decreases and then the people leave
We are 6 Pearsons that collect the parts for the productionline and 1 who goes around to support the people, same fore productionline but they are more people. One manager came to the idea if we work thruh the lunchbreak that they get instead of around 488 Axels 518 done. Now those who should support the people if to much work comes have to do the work on the stations while they go to lunch, 7 people everyone has 30min break = 3,5h untill they had their lunch, now half of the team is looking for a new workplace
Rules like this are everywhere. I got a rude introduction to them on my first job out of college. I got a job as a field service tech at a medium sized electronics company. I was classified as an EST (Electrical service tech.). Because I was a field service tech, I could do mechanical work to install or remove equipment. And that meant I could handle mechanical tools (wrenches, screwdrivers, etc).
Then I made a move to the engineering dept and became an EET (Electrical engineering Tech). And I immediately got into trouble because my tool box had mechanical tools in it. And as an electrical technician, I wasn't allowed to do mechanical work in the engineering department.
One of my business partners also owns a locomotive leasing company, and crap like this happens ALL THE TIME with units in transit. Meanwhile the customer is like hey why has my unit been sitting in some class 1’s shop for three days and not moving!?
Sounds like many a train crew think it's on lease to their railroad.
@@davidty2006 well most of the time on a class 1, foreign power is on lease.
Similarly, crews picking up a short line engine in Snohomish and dragging it all the way to Everett with the handbrake on because no one had the keys to the cab to release it😂 I think it got a few new wheels courtesy of big orange😁
Can't touch it because it isn't ours. Makes sense.
hyce do you like the 0-6-0 in derail vally?
Yeah! It's fun. It just doesn't pull much.
@@Hyce777 You got to give it more beans. :)
@@Elliottblancher : I was running the Rivarossi model equivalent on a branchline job at the model railroad ops session last night, and had an amusing problem from giving it too many beans.
It was late and dispatch had gone home, and I was reassembling my train after having doubled a hill (because, no, the model doesn't pull much either!), and had uncoupled some cars and was sitting right in front of some points on a switch that was set for the diverging track. And, because it was late, I gave it the beans to take off at a rather unprototypical rate of acceleration, and the little engine pulled a tiny little wheelie and jumped the front wheels over the points and derailed.
I don't suppose Derail Valley simulates that particular bit of behavior, but they should!