iPad Pro vs. Surface Pro 6: STOP the Apple-to-oranges comparisons
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- Everyone wants to compare Surface Pro 6 to iPad Pro, but does it really make sense? While there are similarities these are still two very different devices. Apple could do a lot more to make the iPad Pro a true laptop competitor. See at Microsoft: thrifter.com/sz68
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finally, someone said it honestly.
When Apple stops comparing their iPads to Computers, ill stop comparing Computers to the iPad
Do you even know the definition of a computer? or did you mean laptop.
The speed and sales numbers comparison does not mean use-case and functions comparison.
*what's a computer?*
Willa Waliyadin I want to punch that kid
@@6644pmr now we have to report you 😂
Joey Wyatt haha it's ok. Totally worth it.
Yeah I've been saying it for TWO YEARS. MS SHOULD IMPROVE THEIR DAMN TABLET MODE.
They have, with their new Tablet Mode that's basically the desktop interface but a lot more touch-friendly. It's overall fantastic.
There's one thing it needs, though:
Gestures. But those are supposedly coming with Sun Valley.
That iPad vs other brand notebook sales graph literally makes no sense.
Philosoph underrated comment.
Some ppl literally buy iPad just for media consumption. And in the graph I believe it’s included the first gen iPad, which is NOT even able to compared to a laptop
why even compare? Just pick Surface Pro 6
@Richard Exiled not if you're looking for a hybrid laptop
Ipad is best In terms of Price and not offerings . I'm gonna pick Surface Book 2 for college and you have no idea how much it will offer!
@Richard Exiled I bought the Surface Go for note taking and it works great for half the price of the iPad
@Richard Exiled ewww applefanboy! please kindly remove yourself from microsoftfanboy page! thanks.
Why does traffic exist? Lmao just go
I'm going to Costco to get the Surface Pro 6 that's a good price
$799 for the 8gb ram 128 gb SSD with pen and keyboard folio included.... no one else is beating that.
@@popeyesailor8744 which one are you talking. About?
@@willmo9659 the surface pro 6, entry level. Not sure if they still have it for that price, it was a black Friday special. I personally ended purchasing the surface pro 6 256gb in black with keyboard included for $999. Costco didn't have it in black, so purchased at best buy.
IPAD = MEDIA CONSUMPTION,
SURFACE PRO 6 = PRODUCTIVITY + MEDIA CONSUMPTION
So which one is the real PC?
Bingo +Bello Umar .
Really take the time and use a iPad pro and you'll see you can do everything you need. There a lot of reputable channels that edit videos with the iPad legitimately. And Photoshop is coming soon. It's really getting scary for the rest of the market. Wait till they have their own chips from the ground up in their pc.
@@suaveeze
Ok , then PCs have the ability to play or burn dvds . I see where one can make a Surface Pro do that but can you make an iPad Pro do that ?
PCs run desktop operating systems to be able to hold desktop apps . Surface Pro is nailing that but does iPad Pro do that ? I don't think so .
@@djthereplay i haven't honestly burned a cd in like 6 or 7 years since all laptops start trying to go the ultrabook way hahahah. Or used a cd for anything.Everyone uses flash drives ,sd/ssd cards and cloud. I use to complain so much how laptops/phones were changing but those features are becoming old school now. Your holding on to old ways of doing things.
#understood @@suaveeze
Still , it is way easier to use flash drives and sd/ssd cards with Surface Pro than it is the iPad Pro . Surface Pro has a full size usb port and last time I checked I never saw that on the iPad Pro .
Apple is advertising their Ipad as a computer and Microsoft is advertising their surface as a tab, and the problem is software rather than hardware, windows 10 isn't any good for tabs, and IOS isn't any good for computers. so until a company figures out the magical OS that combines tabs and laptops and mobiles, we will continue to see this kind of rants.
TBF, Microsoft actually does not call or refer to Surface Pro as a tablet anymore. Starting in 2017 they referred to it as "the most versatile laptop".
Buy one of each :) problem solved
You do know that W10 has two totally different UI, right? The tablet UI works pretty much the same as the iPad, especially since Apple copied the multitasking feature since the Surface had it three years earlier. You navigate with swipe gestures, swip up to open the taskbar, swipe from the left to open backgrounded apps, swipe from the top to close an app or open multitasking and swipe from the right to open the notification center. See here ruclips.net/video/08hW7aWvTKk/видео.html
I use a W10 tablet every day as a pure tablet, the keyboard is at the back of a drawer, and it is great. What do you think it is missing as a tablet UI?
@@karlbassett8485 how often do you missclick? Palm click? To me, the ui is tolerable, just the user experience...
ruclips.net/video/7aY5TrgxYXE/видео.html @@karlbassett8485
Here’s where I’m coming from:
I grew up with Windows. I got a 4th gen iPad as a laptop replacement in late 2012, and that was my first Apple device. I’ve never looked back. You refer to iPad as a consumptive device, but I DJ, compose music, make essays, presentations and solve math problems on iPad all day long, even without the hardware keyboard. I recently ditched Microsoft Office entirely for Apple Notes, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, and a third party app called Notability. They all sync over iCloud, and are ready to edit on my Mac when I get home. When forced by a group, I use Google Docs and Slides. My iPad automatically backs itself up to iCloud. iCloud Keychain manages all my passwords. When I buy music on iTunes on any device, it downloads immediately on my iPad, ready to DJ. I get all my apps from the App Store, and hardly ever get interrupted for an update. My device has a 120 Hz display and runs smoother, faster and more reliably than Surface could hope to compete with. I’m visually impaired, and the vision accommodations built into iOS are simply years ahead of Windows. You’re right that the fight between iPad and Windows is all about software. You’re simply advocating for features, rather than benefits, and missing what makes iPad such a better choice.
On the other hand, what is wrong with Windows right now?! “Windows as a service” is so horrible! It’s getting ads in every nook and cranny, now including the lock screen, start menu and Mail app. It’s still interrupting users for updates all the time, especially when we use software outside of the Windows Store or shut down our PCs at night. It’s serving average users with unstable software, deleting people’s files and revoking licenses. It harasses users constantly for choosing to use third-party alternatives to Microsoft software, even if Microsoft software, like Edge, isn’t capable of doing what the user needs.It feels like Windows has a new problem come to light every week, and you just have to pray it doesn’t take you offline, or spend hours trying to recover.
So of course, to get away from all that crap, to the Touch interface utopia, is a rare treat, unmatched in the power, benefits and peace of mind it provides. So when I see a comparison between iPad and Surface, I also find it unfair, but they opposite way you see it.
Damn, no one care about your comment
"Apple are really good at engineering"
Bendgate, Antennagate, dustgate, batterygate, graphicsgate....
Imagine iPad Pro running Windows 10, 3 USB Thunderbolt 3 ports, and 2G Cellular call & SMS support. That's something I'll definitely buy. Mobile OS like iOS can never replace a full fledge desktop OS where I can actually get stuff done. The easiest argument in my use case, is Windows 10 have more 3rd party USB / Bluetooth accessories driver support.
@Pojosamaneo true, my goal is to have a device that replace both my Win10 Ultraportable and Android Smartphone (which I hardly use aside from call + SMS for authentication). I have a desktop Win10 PC, but I still want a portable Win10 system that I can carry around, might as well able to make calls and SMS too. I hopes on Microsoft Andromeda.
@Jonathan Cesari That's your opinion anyway, what I've describe is exactly what I want my device to do. Why carry two device in my satchel when I can just carry one. As Dan describe in one of the previous episode, the device should fit your lifestyle, not the other way round. I've already pointed out that I barely use my phone aside from call + SMS. So it would be nice that my Win10 Ultraportable or Tablet can do just that, so I can completely omit out the phone from my every day carry.
Hehe... An apple product with windows... The chances of that happening is the same as trump welcoming immigrants.
It will be called iHack Pro
Yes! This would 100% make me switch!
I'm currently in the process of selling my Surface Pro 5 to buy an iPad Mini 5. It's a great laptop but if you want a tablet then there's no device out there that even comes close to an iPad.
The Surface design team did a great job designing a beautiful device. Not only that, but the main device and all its accessories all flow using the same design language, which is very nice. I would not take any points away from Microsoft on that front. I think that what makes the iPad stand out aesthetically is its aspect ratio. It's a little taller in landscape mode--which I agree looks nice. If surface were to ever to adopt an even more squared-off aspect ratio, the design team would need to consider how that would impact the balancing of the Surface on a lap. As it is currently, the Surface is "lappable", but it isn't comfortable. Squaring it off would only add to that discomfort--but it would also add to its beauty. Sooooo, hard to say. Either way, I think that both devices are comparable in looks, and it comes down to individual preferences at this point. As far as actual computing usability though, I totally agree that the iPad can't hold a candle to the Surface. The iPad is designed as a toy first, and tool second. On the other hand the Surface is designed as a tool first with the skin of a toy.
My surface is a useful toy
Let me tell you the difference
Surface=A laptop who is wannabe tablet
iPad=A tablet who is wannabe laptop
I have a expensive laptop for some things, and I have the iPad Pro for most everything else. But there is a rumor that the iOS 13 update will be mostly iPad features, to make the new iPads even better, I guess we just have to wait and see.
Lol if they add the mouse option, you’ll have to buy the mouse from apple separately. It’ll only work with Apple designed mouse.
Apple decided long ago anything that connects to their iOS device and any app must give them some money first
Can you not use normal Bluetooth keyboards with iPads? If you can why would a mouse be different?
@@RedneckOgre Because Apple knows that mouse support is a coveted feature that they could exploit for extra cash, just like they exploit fast charging and headphone support. This would be the golden opportunity for them to try and rejuvenate their lackluster Magic Mouse and Apple Trackpad sales, just like they used the removal of the headphone jack to sell Airpods.
Did anyone ever question if iPad Pros benchmarks would be as impressive if it were running an actual OS like windows and not iOS?
The iPad is the best tablet. It‘s perfect for someone like me who has a MacBook and just wants a pure tablet experience. I don‘t want to deal with a desktop OS on a tablet. I don‘t expect it to replace something, the iPad is rather a new category. Furthermore you can still be productive with an iPad, it can edit videos, photos and save documents. I prefer the iPad
My phone is more mobile and my laptop does everything else better. The only thing tablets do great is the screen compared to laptops.
To be fair, note taking and document notating is much easier to do on a tablet with pen input
@@MrRight0930 but WHY though? Can you not type faster than you write??
IPadOS is a desktop operating system, not a mobile one. I think you should make a new video comparing the iPad Pro to the Surface Pro when iPadOS comes out in September.
Liam Dale No iPadOS is still a mobile operating system. It’s built on iOS 13.
That was about the fairest comparison anyone has ever done! Thank you! And yes, you can enjoy both Apple and Microsoft!😉
The surface pro 6 is a laptop ..and you have to buy the keyboard separately by the way ...so you compare it to other laptop in the market and let’s see how is it doing .. the iPad is another product ...
Totally agree with you. I have got an iPad Pro 10:5 and a surface pro 3 and I don’t use them the same way.
One Is an awesome tablet, the other one is a very good PC ... never draw on the surface and conversely never open excel on the iPad ...
Regards
Erick
Thank you for stating this issue in the video. I just can't stand the constant drum beat of comparisons between the iPad and say the Suface GO.
It's like comparing water to oil. Both useful in their own way but they just don't mix.
Apple: The New iPad Pro is an even more capable computer replacement.
Me: Awesome! So, I can finally use a mouse?
Apple: No.
Me: Ok, well did you put an actual file manager on there so I can edit photos and documents all within my flash drive?
Apple: No.
Me: Well, atlease we have improved multitasking and background window support... Right?
Apple: No.
Me: So it isnt a laptop then.
Apple: No, it is not a laptop it is a tablet. If you want that stuff you need to buy our computer.
Nice video, I’ve always said the iPad is a tablet that pretends to be a computer while the Surface is a computer that pretends to be a tablet. Both are far better at their actual jobs than their side gig.
Finally, someone had to tell youtubers not to compare a PC with a simple tablet.
The comparison Apple themselves made at the keynote, was utterly pointless. Thanks for publicly ranting on my behalf, Dan.
As usual, it depends.
From an 'artist' point of view, it isn't apples and oranges at all.
It's about which device is better for sketching, drawing and digitally illustrate.
Surface Pro offers Photoshop and all the art software that runs on PC, but is its hardware good enough to handle, is the price for the Adobe software worth this investment? The monthly fee is anything but cheap.
The iPad Pro has an amazing software called Procreate, that costs very little and performs incredibly well.
So, is the Surface Pro good enough to justify being bought as a drawing tablet?
I almost ignored this video because I have seen so many of these ipad vs surface comparisons so I was very happy when I finished reading the title
iPads are just an extension to a Mac or PC. Apple, Inc remember is a business so of course they’re out to make money. I like those myself too. But I can do a little more on PC than I do on an iPad.
I want to see another video comparing these two devices again when iPadOS is released to the public. I honestly think Apple has finally made a tablet and an OS that can rival PCs in its price range.
Finally someone who agrees with me that you can't compare the sp line up to the iPad for computing
Totally agree the pro 11 is so gorgeous. I am finding it very hard to not buy it.
You would never compare iOS to Windows so why do people compare the iPad to the surface pro
just picked up a SP6 but if Apple ever makes a Mac tablet device, see ya Microsoft
You are absolutely right and your reasoning is spot on -- the iPad Pro IS NOT A LAPTOP OR DESKTOP REPLACEMENT! The lack of mouse/trackpad support, the crappy file system, lack of windows (not the OS) support, and poor external device support make the iPad more of an expensive toy than a real computer. Let's not forget the lack of support for real (not mobile) desktop apps.
You are also right that Apple is doing this to themselves. I own a Note 9 and I decided to give Samsung DeX a try. I was expecting a crappy, half-baked user experience. Instead, I ended up using DeX the entire afternoon. Android has ALWAYS had better mouse and file system support than iOS, and DeX added a Windows like desktop environment that is easy to use. Linux on DeX makes the experience even better. If Samsung can do this with their tablets and phones why can't Apple?
I have a macbook pro which is good for programming, but I want something to take digital class notes with? I want a nice screen quality and great stylus writing experience ? Can anyone recommend something please?I'm sortve between surface pro and ipad pro. Or should I get a cheaper one huwei tablet m5 since I just need it for taking notes digitally
Your best bet is to go to Best Buy and try all the devices for yourself. I have the Surface Pro 2017 and it's a better laptop then it is a tablet. I had the first gen had pro but will be picking the 11 inch pro soon. The iPad pro to me being a dedicated take it just performs as such much more effortlessly with no judder or latency. With the iPad pro and stylus works really well with it. On my Surface that's not the case. The surface pen works best with it but it's still not as smooth as my iPad was with a cheap Swede stylus. Go for the pro especially since you already have a laptop.
Michael Simmons thanks. How long do you think the surface will last compared to ipad pro? Which one do you think will last longer with updates and etc?
crazyx3s Honestly both will be supported for years. Apple and Microsoft are great when it comes to updates and security updates. Look at Windows XP and how long that was supported by Microsoft. The iPad pro though again is a perfect tablet for note taking and drawing. The surface is a great two in one but a better computer since it has a full blown desktop OS. It's just okay when it comes to note taking and drawing. If you plan on using the iPad for anything more than note taking, drawing and multimedia get the surface. The thing is the iPad Even the non pro models will feel faster than the surface Go. If you must get a surface them get the Go with 8GB of ram or get the current surface pro 6 while it's on sale. The i5 quad core with 8GB with the keyboard which is only $800 right now.
Michael Simmons alrighty thank you for the information.
One of the best videos on this topic, thank you so much.
if you want it as a secondary device you're better getting last year iPad Pro or the small iPad(non pro)
Nice comparison. There's no denying that the iPad is a consumptive device only because its limited by iOS. If Apple introduces a cross between iOS and MacOS for the iPad, I'm surely gonna buy it. Until that happens, the Surface pro is the best pick for people who want more versatility.
I have been saying this same thing for a number of years. It's a case of horses for courses and these two devices are on different tracks. Each has the merits and flaws depending on your needs.
I can sense the level of irritation you had regarding this topic. Damn! You just went firing!
It can't replace your laptop, but it can replace my laptop.
I really do love iPad's screen aspect ratio and continue to feel that 4:3 works better on smaller tablet and laptops when they are never wide enough to run 2 windows side by side.
I want a device to draw on. Is the iPad Pro the better option for this strictly??
At this point, the only reason to pick up the iPad Pro is if you're a digital artist. It's a glorified sketchpad, but the pencil experience is like none other.
It's the OS that limits Windows 10 too. It could be an excellent Desktop OS and a Tablet OS if Tablet Mode was rewritten. Microsoft did originally sell the Surface Pro as a tablet replacement which it really isn't. It's a terrible to passable tablet experience.
The one thing iPadOS has over Windows 10 is it feels more like a tablet operating system. Part of that is gestures. Windows 10 has far, far better multitasking, though, because it's a lot more powerful--four applications can be on-screen at the same time--, it's far more flexible because of windows, and it's easier: there's no second application needed to be found; all that needs to be done is drag a window to the side or a corner of the screen. It was a bit finicky with touch before, but thanks to the new Tablet Mode properly released with 20H2, this operation is a breeze with touch. IPadOS still has gestures, though, but wait until Sun Valley...supposedly gesture support will be added to touchscreens. When that happens, Windows 10 will have one final piece of the puzzle to be a true jack-of-all-trades tablet operating system.
hello Danielle first of all thank you for your video it was very well made and I have a question to you I hope your answer will help me to make a decision what to choose what to buy. From one side i am considering to buy iPad Pro 2018 11 inch but the same time I realize that there are a lot of limitations about system about software yes of course 1 months ago or two months ago they introduced iPad OS specifically for iPads when they finally allowe to connect external hard drive but in general it still very limited product yes of course the screen is very beautiful colors, very optimized apps but as a professional photographer like me can't use these machines potential on hundred percent, at the same time we have a Surface Pro Line option and I am glad that I am able to connect my camera tethered to the surface and use this machine as a laptop to watch my pictures and show pictures to my clients it is all great but the confusion comes when you know that a lot of professionals a lot of experts says that when you want to Lightroom work smoothly you need at least 16 gigabytes of RAM. so my question is is Microsoft Surface Pro 4 5 6 and 7 powerful enough to almost allow you to replace your laptop to use it as a working machine in your professional work to edit your photos in a Adobe lightroom or in the Capture One or honestly is it not powerful enough so you have to buy really powerful laptop to use it
I have the 11 inch pro and so many apps I use that aren’t even optimized yet and they are popular email apps and what not that I use.
Ms or Apple Competition is good and it's win for customer
Carbon Well in tht case we are in minority vs people who do spend 1000$ every yr on Apple products.....
Personally I still love mobile OS tablets - I have one as a companion to my Surface Pro. I can read on it for days and save my Surface's battery. The big, big difference is, I bought it for about $400 and it has an amazing OLED screen, and I bought it years and years ago and it works just as well now as it did then. The "upgrades" Apple is offering aren't. They're huge rip-offs. And people were complaining about the Galaxy Tab S4 being $650 ... give me a break. People are giving Apple hundreds of extra dollars because it has the shiniest logo. Completely stupid. Samsung has the absolute best pen experience, BTW, it's not even close.
An honest, straightforward review of both products. Refreshing.
I see the iPad as a portable Netflix and email machine. That's it!
Miguel Fernandes not really... as an engineering PhD student, I use mine 10h/day taking notes, editing papers, writing reports, and doing data analysis. It’s not perfect for everybody but it sure works wonderfully for me.
Enjoy the black bars ;)
My phone does it better
@@lwwells that's why I started with "I see the iPad as". I'm sure there's lots of people that who's need fit the iPad capabilities perfectly. However for me iOS doesn't work! I would rather use Windows or macOS. Not only don't I take handwritten notes or draw, I code and edit video a lot and I need a full IDE and a proper video editor such as Premiere Pro, After Effects and Final Cut Pro X (the available apps are not enough). And what's left? Watching movies and tv shows, email and that sort of simple stuff.
@@louiskevin6896 what black bars?
I agree that the iPad is a beautiful piece of hardware, and with the argument that they may set the bar for Microsoft users to ask on our side for improvements, but I don't think the Surface (any latest Surface) is lacking design wise. Rather I think the surface lineup is already setting the bar for all manufacturers of Windows 10 devices, that is, the Surface line-up are prolly the best windows 10 devices out there. Hence, Apple should take notice from Microsoft in some departments, as Microsoft should take notice of Apple in some others.
Shout out to the dog! 02:07
Surface wins.Because a tablet can't replace the place of a PC rather if tablet has a good hardware mostly when they are running mobile OS
I wish the Costco sale lasted until december
I was almost convinced to get a surface pro until I went to their Facebook page and read reviews about the battery issues....swelling caused from battery, battery dying after warranty expired, people who own one complaining about the product left and right.
that doesn’t seem reliable or worth investing in. Back to the drawing board in trying to find a device that fits my needs.
Michelle Simmons The battery issues that you've listed happen with any device. This isn't something completely new, nor endemic to Microsoft devices. Apple has had the same issue with their Macbooks and IOS devices. Heck, even portable consoles, like the Switch, have these issues. The thing is that li-ion and li-po batteries are very crappy devices in terms of durability. They deteriorate very quickly, especially if not used properly, left in extreme temperatures, or charged with a defective charger.
Most of these battery will last a year or two, but if you really care a lot about your device's battery, it can last much longer. For example, my old Acer netbook's battery only lasted for 2 years. During the second year, I used a different charger for it, and always charged it when it was at 70%. On the other hand, my almost 6 old iPad Mini's battery is still alive and kicking, although with a slightly reduced capacity, which is to be expected for such an ancient battery by li-po standards. I also recommend not using your device while charging, this causes heat, which is not good for your battery (heat is what causes bloating). Don't let it discharge completely either. This also hurts the battery life as well. Try charging it when it's at 30-40%, and unplugging it before or after it reaches 100%.
As for the warranty thing, Microsoft only provides 90 days of tech support that only cover hardware defects. Age related battery issues don't start to become an problem after a year or more, so unless it happens within a month or two of getting the device, this warranty is completely useless. Now, yes, it is possible to get a device with a defective battery/charger right out of the box, but that's what the warranty is for. I don't think this is actually a widespread issue for the Surface line, though.
The only thing I like about iPads or Apple devices in general, is the display! Man does Apple put some quality displays in their devices!
Thank you, this distinction needs to be made. The Surface is essentially a ultra portable pc that can double up as a tablet (rather poorly imo). The iPad Pro on the other hand is a luxury tablet with amazing hardware and competition crushing capabilities, nestled within a very well-functioning ecosystem and with a great selection of apps available. Use case should determine what one chooses to buy. For me, the iPad Pro is perfect. For others, the Surface will undoubtedly be the superior device.
I love my iPad Pro, but I would've gotten a Surface Pro instead if they simply added Thunderbolt 3, so I could use a eGPU for Video Editing and Gaming. But since it doesn't, I never got one, because I don't really need a portable Windows PC. Bottom line, I simply needed a creative tool/tablet, and honestly the iPad Pro 10.5 was cheaper than a low spec Surface Pro, with a better optimized touch experience. Whereas the Surface Pro, though uses a tablet mode, hasn't gotten good reviews when it comes to the touch experience. It's more of a Windows Laptop that can be a tablet. And I don't need a Windows Laptop. But I always loved the idea of one device that rules them all. A device that can be tablet, laptop, and a powerful gaming/productivity desktop when paired to an eGPU. All it needed was Thunderbolt 3 to complete the package, but it never happened. And because of that, egpu's on Windows has never been as good as it could compare to what we're getting with Apple right now. And if I'm spending a lot to high spec the device, I want it to be a device that can replace my desktop, and be future proof. I really, really wish Microsoft added it. If they did 3 years ago, I would be a Windows user by now.
The Happy Chatter I wish Surface Pro 6 could include 120hz display just like the iPad Pro. Everything I do on my iPad Pro 10.5 feels enjoyable and when you visit sites looks really good the animations. And I know Surface Pro 6 is better that iPad Pro
The chart compare ipad with all laptop is so misleading. They should stack all laptop brands if they want to compare ipad and laptop. That would make ipad sale around 1/5th of laptop sales. For me to pick ipad and surface, more consuming contents -> ipad. More creating contents -> surface. In the middle, whatever cheaper.
This video just reminded me that I had have an iPad under my car seat. It's been there for I think 2 months and I haven't missed it. iOS on iPad just isn't worth it anymore I guess
My phone does everything my IPad can. It turns out I have also lost track of my Ipad, it couldn't even do what I thought I'd use it for. What a waste of money.
I can't believe people are pushing this "Please stop comparing the IPad to other things. While the IPad is limited in capability it is a more sleek handheld device so, it shouldn't be compared to other devices and Apple deserves to have a Monopoly." I'm sure Apple appreciates the sentiment and has everyone's best interest in mind for their strong loyalty. lol...
Interestingly i just remembered my iPad haven't been charged for a month.... When it has power we use it, when it's out of power, we don't miss it...
i don't understand .. how you want me to replace my laptop with something it even won't allow me to connect a mouse and to have a real file explorer.. i'm i getting old or something went wrong with people ?
Ahmad Bakur I honestly don’t use a complex file system much. Most of what I do is in the cloud, not on local file systems. I bet a lot of younger users are in the same boat.
@@fraydog i do use google drive too like all the time, but still can't go 100% cloud as a graphic designer and video editor most of the time i'm managing and handling extra large files.. and Internet connection in my country is not that much .. so i believe there are more people like me need real file explorer like mac os or windows just to make it easier for you to manage and control your files .
I think next gen IPad would be a interesting product, perhaps Apple is going to make iPad runs OS, with hand gestures features.
I have last years iPad Pro with keyboard and pen. I have to say he is absolutely right. I can’t use the iPad Pro as a productivity device. I rather use my MacBook or Windows notebook. If I want to consume media then I use the iPad Pro. That is my reality.
And it doesn't bother you to spend so much money for a tablet AND a laptop ?!
Louis Kévin, to be honest. It would if I was buying the iPad for productivity, but I know its limitations . Besides, I bought my Windows laptops years ago. It is not like I bought all three at the same time. The MacBook was a gift from my sister. I love tech, so that is where I spend my money.
@@marcocerrato9014 Marco, do you mind people comparing the Surface Pro and the IPad? I don't see why they should not be compared. I can agree with people that pick their device based on aesthetics or any other reason but, to say that these two devices shouldn't be compared is blissful ignorance.
Why not use the Surface as a consumption device? For movies it has a better shaped screen, great speakers, the kickstand for putting it at the perfect angle and expandable storage so you can had a huge number of movies quickly and easily. You can choose between a huge range of media players from the W10 Film And TV app to MPC, VLC and more. What does the Surface lack as a consumption device?
You're missing the point. Yeah it is a consumption based device but, the youtube dude is saying these two devices should NOT be compared. You can agree with much of what he is saying but that doesn't make the premise of this video correct. People believing this premise are just choosing to be blissfully ignorant. Feel free to pick any device for any reason but, these devices are both options for people that want consumption based devices. I use mine all the time for youtube in bed. I can use mine to play music when showering. Why should Apple have a monopoly just because they choose to make sure their ipads don't cannibalize the sales of their other products? They should be compared! There is nothing wrong with comparing them!
IPad sold 44.000.000 in the last year, Surface: 300.000. And Surface vs iPad is such a different experience: iPad is way waaaay better as a tablet. The thing is, if you don’t have a laptop, and you need to do something iPad absolutely can’t do, get a proper laptop like a MacBook or Surface Book. If not, get the iPad.
Apple got force handed by most of the phones got bigger and eroded their original iPad's targeted media consumption market, so they turned to "productivity". iPad right now is a conflicted line with iOS, good at many things, aren't better at anything. They will need a iOS overhaul and more Adobe alike to develop dedicated apps for them to make this thing truly work as their media brainwashing promised.
Does the iPad pro thermal throttle?
No - as there is no software designed to use full power all the time. Even geekbench runs not long enough to be really useful in that regard. Games won't too - otherwise the users will freak out because of the battery drain..
The iPad is the best tablet experience The Surface Pro 6 is a true productivity tablet and can run full desktop applications. Reason I got iPad Pro 10.5 last year, is bcuz of 120hz display. I wish Surface Pro could include that
Apple can't turn this into a laptop replacement (even though they market it that way) because they try to sell you both... A laptop and a tablet. That just doesn't make sense me to have two decvices that almost do the same. For me the future is definately something like the surface pro. Even though it's more laptop than tablet, it does most tablet stuff well enough.
Apple really shouldn't compare the iPad to PCs until they pretty much make one that runs MacOS. If they compare it to laptops, people will hold it to those standards, and complain when the iPad doesn't meet them. People use PCs instead of tablets for a reason, and the iPad's mobile OS probably won't cut it for a lot of laptop users.
That said, it does seem like it would be good for what I personally want (drawing and a bit of media consumption), especially with the upcoming iPadOS. It may even end up mostly replacing my PC if I get one since I don't use my PC for much else except a bit of gaming.
Not only does Apple compare the iPad to laptops on stage, it does so in marketing too. One of the most recent examples of that was the awful* "what's a computer?" campaign.
*Awful for its scripting more than its contention.
very honest review.. ipad can be compared with google pixelbook....
Just wondering, does the SP6 bend as well as the Ipad Pro?
See, they shouldn't be compared. One bends and one doesn't. Totally different devices that don't share a great many use-case scenarios and value seeking is equivalent to a human chasing their own tail. There is only one choice to be made for a tablet media consuming device and IPad. The choice is obvious. Surface Pro nonsense is trickery and convenience is what Apple is about.. just don't compare IPad and the Surface Pro because it makes you look stupid for very obvious reasons! Yeah, let me make a video about how people aren't seeing the obvious truth and I will explain it simply and you won't disagree with a thing. Apples are healthy, and red. Shiny, love. Sleek. Don't compare Apples-to-Oranges. APPLE PIE with Cinnimon. Smell the freshly baked apple pie. Mouth watering Flaky crispy crust. Yum. IPad.
#Sarcasm
No
I doubt SP6 will bend. It is heavier and thicker and made of magnesium. Maybe Surface Go may bend. But not the Pro line
My sp5 is very sturdy
Tablets are like shoes: the best shoe is based on what you want to do, where you want to go, and how you want to be seen by everyone nearby.
Actually Apple is the company pushing the ipad to be a surface coompetitor.
That ipad and notebook sales graph is weird...the total ipad sales was 44.2M and total laptop sales was 122.6M ...maybe thats a fair comparison ? Because people buy laptops from different manufacturers ..as there are options ... Dont understand what apple wanted to show with that chart...
Also the people on the chart who bought laptops.....maybe atleast half of them also bought ipads ?.....and people who bought ipads maybe they already have a laptop or desktop ? .....
arm vs x86, its like comparing a blueprint to a actual building
Jarlon Sta Maria With Intel stalling and failing to get to 10 nm, you will see more of a push for ARM architecture on the PC side within the next few years, especially as Qualcomm’s offerings improve. To make that comparison is way too simplistic. I could also argue x86 is an aging and overly complex infrastructure.
The iPad Pro now it has USB C is a software change from jumping a huge leap forward but instead Apple prevents you using a pen drive with it. Seriously WTF. They're even selling it as a laptop replacement. Do they really think Cloud Storage is that perfect? I think they probably do.
Oh let me tell you what's going on there. My gf can't get away from Apple because she has already invested herself in iCloud Storage, itunes, etc. Imagine how locked-in you are once you use that lol....... They sure are ethical towards their sheep.
I literally just use iPad pro with magic keyboard for school and it easily just replaces my laptop. Google suite does everything you need for school. And take notes with the apple pencil. I really don't understand I can video edit. Make music, photo edit. File transfer with a work around with changing the file name in root access. Mouse support is just a preference. I have full laptop that I rarely use that I upgraded the SSD and memory but it's to heavy and big and bad battery life. Bought an Asus c302 but Android and Chrome together is laggy . I have iMac computer also that barely use only really if I'm just charging my iPad lol.
02:15 that comment is VERY telling
The iPad Pro needs full desktop Mac os to be able to compete with the surface. They should just either ditch IOS on iPads or add an option to switch between iOS and Mac os on iPads.
I really like Dan and what he does on Windows Central, but I'm confused about why he's inferring that the Surface isn't a beautiful device. 4:27 Personally, I love the way it looks!
Few times I thought between iPad and surface.. like the HW but my choice is surface. I'm glad that surface line exist and we can get excellent build quality on the windows hw
You're right, its not fair to compare a full computer operating system to ios...
The new iPad pro has a very surface like design. Of course they're going to be compared. Apple wanted to be compete with the surface that's why they took so many design elements from Microsoft.
The new iPad pro looks a lot like the screen of the Surface Book 2
Have been yelling from last couple of years that the comparison between Surface pro and iPad lineup is totally baseless even Panos Panay has always compared the Surface lineup to Mac lineup not the iPad one because Mac runs a proper Desktop OS while iPad runs a mobile OS
Yay! Thanks. I'm an Apple user who's about to jump the overprice ship. Genuinely tried to make Apple work for my Civil Engineering practice and it simply won't. The iPad Pro with AutoCAD Mobile give marginal functionality, while a Surface Pro will run full AutoCAD and the rest of my vertical market software in a similar format. Voila'!
Nailed it. The iPad Pro is so awesome though...even if it less useful overall, the experience is unbeatable.
one can run (full) Windows. One runs iOS. You can't do shit on iOS.
If you don't mind sacrificing pen tilt, GET A YOGA 720 full fledged laptop PC.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I guess the near bezeless screen is the main appeal from a visual perspective.
So if a surface is made as that, would it would be considered "beautiful"?
The design of and build of the Surface Pro 6 and the Surface Go in my eyes are solid and attractive.
Note I'm not talking about specs, just aesthetics.
Every one of the limitations talked about in this video on the iPad Pro have now been addressed in the newly announced iPad OS. This is going to be a game changer.
Surface is the reason iPad "Pro" exist.
Comparing Surface to iPad is not an apple to apple comparison.
I've owned a couple ipads and a couple Surfaces. The problem with the Surface is it's barely a tablet. The tablet experience just isn't good because of lack of touch optimization. Even a 100 dollar Android tablet is a better experience. So you end up keeping your keyboard folio attached all the time so you can use it as a laptop. But if that's the case, why not just buy an actual laptop??
All Microsoft has to do is get the touch experience at least as good as on an Android tablet, and I will agree with all the people saying Surface is better.