Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S4:E16
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Welcome to Fix or Flop! We're up to Season 4, Episode 16. This viewer's gaming PC doesn't power on! Can it be fixed? By the way, if you live in the Orlando, FL area and have an issue with your PC, apply to have it (possibly) fixed for free today! gregsalazar.co...
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@@olandersnake Agreed, horrible data security and protection practices to say the least!!
Did you retry with the VRM heatsink fan connected as well as the battery?
@@olandersnake Don't tell other people what to do, if you don't like it don't use it.
Greg did you find what is wrong with the motherboard???
Fix or Flop is easily my favorite PC series on RUclips. The amount of knowledge you gain just from watching is priceless.
Even though replacing the motherboard is the most labor intensive, it’s certainly not the most expensive. Great find!
Odd I have the x570 variant of this and it does not include the USB C header.
Those mitx strix boards are usually hella expensive though
Labor intensive just means it's the funnest part to replace.
@@ObsidianSoul1 true, doesn’t mean he needs to replace it with another Strix board
@@ObsidianSoul1 don't look up the new gene board $998 if you can even find one Asus made like 12 then discontinued them they were the perfect match for a 7800x3D
I was holding my breath when you showed battery socket. I wish it would work. Another great episode. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
I'd still try a different cmos battery before I pitched that board. Bought a 1 year old aurora r9 a couple of years ago for super cheap because it was having the most random no power/no boot issues. Bad 2032 battery.
The seller probably tried to wipe the bios and disconnected the cable for that, I would assume.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN Can't say I've seen a board in recent history that required a cmos battery to boot.
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN I can't really argue on that because in this world literally anything can happen lol. So yeah I'd probably try a another battery for the sake of it. But you don't actually need a CMOS battery working or connected to be able to boot and run a PC, The battery's only job is to power the non-volatile CMOS memory chip to keep any programmed BIOS settings and run the system real time clock, All that will happen without it is any changed settings won't keep and the clock will stop, It will just boot on default every time.
I bought a broken Asus ROG Strix B550-I myself not too long ago, thankfully the warranty had not been registered and ASUS honors warranty based upon original manufacture date, not original purchaser! You have a good shot at RMA’ing it
I have the same board bought from ebay and last night tried build my pc but the board isn't working how did you get RMA? If you dont mnd sharing thanks
In terms of contacting the seller after the fix, I think the fact that it wasn't a private seller, rather a wholesaler, so honestly, they probably wouldn't care if it was an easy fix. Them being a wholesaler they probably bought the rig for like $150 so they still probably made a profit.
I wonder if they buggered up a BIOS update and tried removing the CMOS battery to try and resolve it. Maybe. Still weird. Great vid Greg!
Asus is still supporting the board. There is a Bios update this month.
If the mainboard has a BIOS rescue mode, like updating the bios without turning the PC on, via a dedicated usb slot, maybe try that? Or, more elaborate, you could try to flash the BIOS with an external programmer. Or change the BIOS chip ^-^; Maybe not reasonable.
@@AsriazhTo update a bios from a motherboard that doesnt post .. it at least has to try booting.
This one doesnt even turn on the power.
Its dead Jim .. but not as we know it.
@@forcem6587Nope. on my MSI x570 board you just have to put a USB stick into a certain port while the board is off, press a button next to it for a couple of seconds and there's a seperate process not related to the board being on or booted into the BIOS which tries to recover the BIOS from a file called MSI.ROM which is the latest or whatever BIOS you renamed. No booting needed :D
@@Asriazh exactly this. You don’t even have to have a CPU installed from what I recall
That's why it's important to have an access on spare parts. You can rule out any broken hardware easier. Thanks for the knowledge Greg!
It could be that the bios was bricked during an update. That board appears to support bios flashback, It wouldn’t hurt to give it a try
Motherboards with corrupt BIOSes still power on in my experience.
@@GregSalazar Might be worth a shot to try regardless, you never know. If only to have it checked off the list of stuff you've tried. We seen several times in these videos of yours how you can still be surprised sometimes and who knows, maybe some weird quentum-mechanics are at play here
@@YYorle You're right! I'll try to remember to check this next time.
I'm assuming you checked the battery itself? Although on a newer rig like this, I expect it would be fine.@@GregSalazar
All boards i have ever had will power on if they have corrupted or non-existing bios. I suspect the issue is more in lines of power button signal or power not getting to SuperIO chip that handles power buttons and example post leds, something shorted in the board that pulls all signals to oblivion of ground plane.
I was hoping that plugging in the CMOS would have worked for you. Glad that you got some working components out of this. Nice case that it came with too.
If the motherboard is still under warranty with the manufacturer you might as well attempt to get them to replace it as well.
Board is from 2020, first bios on website is June 2020…
warranty is from sale date on the reciept, so id used to dummy up a receipt and RMA them back. the best result was M$ dated my surfaseRT from when I REGISTERED it, the day before I RMA it and they must have wharehouses full of these old things as they sent me with in a week a new one and the old one was 10 years old!
@@mrsrhardy I think he said it was a strix. Asus will warranty stuff from the serial number date if you lose your receipt.
@@covante4822 You can see the Strix branding next to the memory slot at 17:00
I missed this series. Love your videos.
Thanks for coming back!
I LOVE THESE VIDEOS! Please don’t let up on the eBay listing fixes, they’re so interesting!
I agree with this, I love the fix videos and love the fix ones from eBay just as much as a viewer. Honestly the fix videos are my favorite that Greg makes.
Hello Gregor! You bought a popcorn machine! (I secretly know its a pc)
LOOOL this is an excellent description of whatever this Tt case is 😂
Looks more like a 3d printer imo, but you’re very right!
@@GregSalazar At least its unique lol.
I have the tower 500 case and love it. my next build will be in a tower 200 case.
Gregor? I didn't know how had a nickname. 😂
No clue about the pricing in the US but in germany/eu this rig probably is worth nearly double the amount you paid for. What a lucky deal for you.
My favorite moment.. A new fix or flop video to learn from
POPCORN MACHINE LESSGOOOO great vid!!!!
You could most likely RMA that motherboard. I did just do that last week. Got a motherboard, did not work, I knew that, I did however load the bios flash, just dead after that. Put in an RMA ticket with MSI and was supposed to get it back today, but you know less than one snow flock and all deliveries are stopped. Hoping for tomorrow. See I paid nothing for the board, paid 25 for RMA (I had to pay to send it in, fair enough). Board is repaired, I think they just stuffed a new board in the box or it is a common issue.
Hey Greg, love the videos. Have you tried to use the asus bios flash back? Almost all recent asus boards have it and all you need is power to the board and a usb in a specific port on the back and it can recover from a bad flash or corrupt image.
"ASUS EZ DIY
-BIOS Flashback™ button
-BIOS FlashBack™ LED"
I would do this and possibly try a CH341A BIOS flasher if RMA is unsuccessful.
Great fix Greg. definitely more like this. 👍
Thanks, Daniel!
? He did not fix it...
I love to see working parts saved from the landfill.
If the motherboard has bios flashback you could try it. It’s worth a try.
Interesting Idea... maybe 😀
Previous owner had trouble with it powering on so they probably pulled that CMOS battery cable out of the motherboard to try & clear it just like why the CPU cooler was loose to check for bent pins or debris. Then they gave up & put it on Ebay to cut their losses. Nehoo ya that was a good pickup Greg. You quite possibly turned a fix or flop into a future flip. Congrats on this little gem of a find & thanks for sharing. :)
Was about to make the same comment about the seller pulling the CMOS battery connector to clear setting. I would say given how other connectors were left disconnected this seems to be the obvious scenario.
Did you check the CMOS battery itself? Could it be dead?
This was my suggestion as well. Easy test and cheap to replace if it's indeed dead.
Is it possible that one of the owners disconnected the CMOS battery in an attempt to reset the BIOS config? If it's assumed they were disconnecting the power switch cables in an attempt to troubleshoot, it seems reasonable they would reset the CMOS battery. Although it doesn't make sense why they wouldn't reconnect the CMOS battery before giving up on it. Unless they tried another CMOS battery?
Might be a bad BIOS flash
I envy your luck when it comes to these finds, Greg. Nicely done.
You technically won the lottery. Congrats
The last two things I would have tried would be clearing the CMOS and trying the flash back option (if the board has the option).
Hi Greg, I had a similar issue with an MSI B550 board. Battery voltage was 2.7V and the system won't power on. With a new battery it worked perfectly fine again.
Yeah that was my immediate thought after seeing the cmos battery disconnected
@@kelpklepto We measured battery voltage at just over 3V. Not the issue here, unfortunately.
@@GregSalazar oh, darn, yeah that board isn't worth the trouble then lol
My butt is clenched during the suspense in the cmos good find greg on taking the risk
You crazy son of a gun, you gotta keep these coming now! The risk/reward factor kept me at the edge of my seat!
Hi Greg, have you checked the battery voltage to see if the actual CMOS 2032 battery is ok? I once had a PC that wouldn't turn on with the CMOS battery connected and it wasn't until I replaced the battery with a new one that would fix the issue. Great video as always!
You need to do this to complete the diagnosis
@@MrMannakin Yes, battery voltage was measured at just over 3V. We've measured this with our multimeter in several FoF episodes - the test just doesn't always make the final cut. Will try to always include this from now on.
Great video! I am in the process of starting up a PC recycling/repair business and have gotten a lot of information and inspiration from your content! Much love. ❤
Greg’s been hitting that late night EBay search as of late for sure, lol. Love the content as always!
Nice win, I am sure the parts will end up in a viewers broken PC soon enough. Keep up the good work.
I like this kind of episode as a possible "parts harvesting" episode for fix or flop. One at the beginning, middle and near end of each season would be cool. I doubt you will get very many like this. But even a few working parts per episode might be worth it.
Excellent find! I am frequently watching this series for just everything i can learn about troubleshooting and diagnosing systems. I don't have IT work but we have 5 systems here at home that MIGHT break down soon. Also its entertaining to finally discover what the eff is happening to broken rigs! More power to you Greg!
have you checked cmos voltage? or replaced for a new one? just peel the black plastic on the original cmos, pull the terminal (spot welded on the cmos), replace a new cmos, just tape the cmos touching its respective terminal.
This was a great example of troubleshooting, and a real nice find for you. I hope your next repair benefits from your good luck.
I hope you do more videos like this, obviously it would be expensive as heck to do it often.... but once in a blue moon, maybe a mini series idea?
Well, it cost nothing here, a 3070, 5600X, RAM, PSU and case for 500 bucks + monetization of video? There is risk, yeah, but certainly not "expensive" so far, he'd be on the positive side on this one.
I have on a few occasions gotten very lucky with different companies RMA process. Often times only a small charge is applied if it's out of warranty, other times they just send a brand new one or equivalent , it never hurts to try. Great video and great score with that 3070 working.
I dont know if bricked motherboard can show such symptoms, but if so maybe use bios flash back to update the bios.
Can't speak on the quality of your sponsor Greg, but as a mental health professional I'm very happy to see you using your platform to discuss mental health issues and mental health care! I've only been subscribed a few weeks, but I'm glad to see you trying to be a force for good alongside making excellent content. Keep it up, my man
Its incredible how you can keep the audience excited to wait the result, as for me tho. Great series! subbed!
I just noticed RUclips stopped recommending me your videos. I’m glad I have lots of videos to catch up on haha.
Welcome back!
Love the series! Please continue with it. Cheers!
Great video Greg, love the 'will it wont it?' mystery quest.
Great video Gregg! Fix or flop is definitely my favorite series.
Shoutout to Greg's sub counter behind him matching his current sub total.
Been there and done that. Sometimes it's totally worth it to roll the dice. Recently got an Asrock X570 phantom gaming 4 motherboard for 25 dollars including shipping on Ebay and it works aside from missing the cooling fan on the southbridge heat sink. Cut the frame off a 40mm fan and used 2 sided tape to stick the fan on and it fit perfectly. It has a new home in my htpc atm.
A half of story can be matched with this.
I recently got a MSI board on sale
I received the original box of the board and noticed that the box was totally pushed inside. The top side as well. Inner antistatic bag was highly scratched against VRAM heatsink and was torn from some places as well. The board look (merely) slightly bent but nothing i could see damaged visually. But ignored and forgot to test this even after 15-17 days as i was busy with my work from office which kept me away from PC for most of the time.
When i realised i didn't test this; i did it immediately after around 20 days and...
It didn't wanted to post after a micro second fan spin. It just kept dying that.
Sometime that and sometime nothing at all. All parts are still working fine in my previous/current one board which i own for about one and half year. So i tried to RMA it. It came back as it is. I called the MSI service person directly who called me to ask the issue so this was a relief for me that i had a number of a member from MSI. He helped me on video call. BTW i know what i am doing also but decided to listen to him as he had much more experience than me. So after putting everything one by one but only one RAM stick; the board boots. Put in second stick the board boots now. Switch off the power supply and turn it on again... nothing; it doesn't boot now. So he asks me to disconnect the 24-pin and re-insert. Do that and now it turns on. All this were tested on open barebone environment on a motherboard box. So nothing should be sorting here. It kept on doing the same. The service person tells me the board is fine and your CPU/RAM stick might be causing the short to board and declines to send a replacement as it was working while we had video call despite seeing it refusing to turn on second time. Fed up troubleshooting this and gave up. I remembered every video i saw of @GregSalazar but couldn't find any fix that i could do. I tried everything that could have worked already. Of course it needed to be RMA'ed. But MSI declined it and i had to sell to a reseller by getting a much lower value than i paid for it and call it a day.
Hey i had this same problem with my b450m gigabyte motherboard.
Mine is now working again.The fix is really simple ,you just have to give the motherboard a cpr shock.Just force your psu to on mode by bridging the on pin on the psu.The cause for my board not working was that one of the phase of vrm died.Happy to help😊
Loved the Ayrton's helmet at the back.
Hope you nad your family had a wonderful Thanksgiving
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Same to you!
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I love your channel it's so relaxing watching you troubleshoot and update computers.
"Submerged in Salt Water or something"
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Man, watching these videos gets you really invested
That makes me happy to hear! Hopefully entertaining and (maybe) educational!
@@GregSalazar Always thinking about what's the next step on finding out the problem. Usually I'm not even close but that doesn't bother me!
Man that CMOS moment was fun lol Great find and Great vid! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
@GregSalazar I am actually a mental health professional. I love that you advocated for mental health. The holiday seasons can be especially difficult for people, and it's important to remember that there are resources out there to help. A lot of them at no cost as well. The organization that I work for is a paid program but there are ways to participate and it be paid for by state resources.
I'm not saying I have an addictive personality but I would totally get hooked on doing this type of gambling. I love it.
I love these types of videos because you show what is wrong as well as what could be wrong. As well as the financial aspect of it.
Technically if you watch your videos you are a viewer. So you are fixing a viewer's broken gaming PC.
TRU
Did I see a BIOS flashback button? You could try to reflash the BIOS.
Maybe a new series of "for parts" that you can try to salvage stuff from?
nice to see that there are these gems in the wild
it would have so better if cmos socket was the culprit but none the less its a pretty good deal you got...
Well, it could be a much worse loss than just a bad mobo. At least the rest of the platform works just fine so it's not a total fail! I'm glad it worked out for you!
Great video, shame you didn't get it to work and here is an idea, if possible try to use an IR camera when trying to start the motherboard looking for hot spots for shorts, maybe if that is fixed, the motherboard could be fixed that way, keep up the great work.
Love these fix it videos!! Also, I love that case. Built one for my sister and she turned it into a claw machine theme. Also, It had similar components.
Just wanted to say thanks for this series. By following your process I managed to fix my sons PC. No signal, but PC turned on. Swapped out GPU with no change. Ended up just clearing CMOS which meant I ended up with 1 of 2 monitors coming on to find that he had AVG accidentally downloaded which was causing issues and wouldnt stop opening. I think it was a dodgy non authentic AVG. Eventually managed to uninstall it, restarted and both monitors up and running. PC back to normal. Its so easy to think its a hardware problem but if you follow the process it does the job. Thanks again.
That's a for sure steal.... great find!!!
This is such a win. For 600$, you got a quality PC that's much more powerful than a PS5 for only 100$ more. 💥
Keep those parts without a trace of guilt. Sold as scrap/parts, picked from the trash bin, etc? It's fair game. I've gotten so much useful equipment because somebody else tossed it because of a minor problem.
You're one lucky guy on winning this bid greg, but I mean for you it is a win since you technically have the extra parts to test on which part of the rig is dead but for other person who would attempt this would quite need more luck and also a super instinct on which part to replace. Nonetheless, great video greg! enjoyed this series so much can't wait to watch more.
Good catch on the CMOS battery. Makes me want to surf eBay more for deals like these! Also, if you want to repurpose the Tower 200 a m-ATX board should fit in there even though TT doesn't list those as compatible.
Loved this! Happy things turned out good in the end for you. Thank you for the content.
Thanks for Gregging with us
The guys knew what they were doing. Reset cmos by taking the cable out. Jumping the power pin etc. Swapped cpu. Probably someone who had no extra mobo.
You got a hell of a steal for the price, a 3070, 5600x, m.2 ssd, and 16gb of ram is already so worth it!
Just picked up a system with 8700K overclocked to 5ghz, Asus Strix Z370-F, GTX 1070 Ti, H500P case, 16gb 3000mhz mem, EVGA 650GQ psu, Liquid Cooled for £225 ($283)! Sold as spares or repair as it has no drives but I had loads inc M.2s which are now installed. The guy I bought it off paid just under £1800 five years ago as a prebuilt and if I was to sell the parts I'd get £600, but bought it to use rather than sell.
I had a client with the same issue. First had me thinking it was the CPU because it'd power on when it was removed, but it worked with other motherboards. Tried a separate working CPU and same thing. Had to get them a replacement motherboard. Always fun seeing issues I have some clients having show up here lol
Keep buying broken shit and fixing it. What a blast! 🎉
That's a hell of a deal you got despite the dead motherboard
Great find Greg. Since I am cursed with curiosity, I wish you would have measured the CMOS battery's voltage on camera just for fun. Please keep up Fix or Flop. Love it!
Maybe they did a bios update and killed the power on it lol but that's a steal of a deal for just a motherboard
Best to Worst case scenario troubleshooting a broken component on a PC per component price:RAM>PSU>MOBO>CPU>GPU
Good job on the fix by removing part by part and testing on every swap. Just a quick tip - the CMOS battery probably was disconnected by the previous guy or technician because by being removed it bypasses the power on pins at all. I have used this trick before , you can even keep the front panel connected to the pins and remove CMOS battery and will see that the PC will power on when PSU is switched ON. Never seen a PC that REQUIRES the CMOS to be plugged in or inserted to it's socket for it to at least POST. But you never know when you will be surprised, anyway great fix and video. At least you have some spare parts for upcoming Fix or Flop videos :) Keep up the good work !
For some reason I love this case
To be sure if it's a VRM short issue you can try just connecting the 24 pin only (don't connect CPU power) and turn it on. If the CPU fan spins then there's a short in the VRM section otherwise VRM section is not the only problem.
man that case is nice. only thing i dislike is its kinda big for a small case if that makes sense.
Yeah, definitely an _interesting_ design. Not really my thing.
Man you edged us so hard with the potential CMOS fix.
gonna buy corsair hs80 max this Christmas. Can't wait.
WOndering.....the disconnected cable is right by a button on the back. That is the Bios flashback....wondering if maybe it took a bang on the back in shipping....broke the cover and possibly damaged that switch and it is in an engaged state? Would not post but not sure what the result would be.....just ran through my head
Hello, I have the same MB, I got it without the support for 5000 series and it had the same behavior as far as I remember , try putting the 5600x back and update the bios with an usb, I think it might work.( just so you know for the bios upgrade it needs a cpu installed even if it says it doesnt in their online manual.) Good luck and tell me if it worked.
I wouldn't have even thought a disconnected Cmos battery could have been the problem. Whenever they are at their end of life or have insufficient charge, they won't stop the motherboard from booting. They will just post a message telling you their was no power in the Cmos and they won't have the info to post with and will go and find it again.
Did you check the CMOS battery after you seated the plug?
would love a flip or flop series!!
I think it's obvious the unplugged battery cable was because of the previous troubleshooting done, like the power switch cable.
They didn't trust the cmos clear button so unplugged the battery.
I really enjoy these videos, so please do not give up on them. All your various series I find very enjoyable Greg. Thanks!