Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S3:E16
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Welcome to Fix or Flop! We're up to Season 3, Episode 16. This viewer's gaming PC doesn't want to POST! It's a common "broken" theme around these parts. Time for a proper fixing! By the way, if you live in the Orlando, FL area and have an issue with your PC, apply to have it (possibly) fixed for free today! gregsalazar.co...
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Am honestly in love with this series it gave me courage to troubleshoot my pc myself, i used to be terrified of even installing a HDD, greg somehow made me feel like I've been building PCs for 10 Years 😂😂
you can doit bro!
It honestly looks harder than it really is. Just take your time and you can do it. I had to learn how to do it without the benefit of the Internet and RUclips so it's so much easier now.
Does anybody know how to update the firmware of a HDD, (I suspect it might be a ex- surveillance drive St5200320AS) I plug it in but ir isn't even recognised by windows. The drive spins up etc. works fine ?
@@TheFalseShepphard search "How to Format a Drive using Command Prompt/Diskpart | Any Windows OS" in YT
@@TheFalseShepphard the drive would need a software suite that does it manufacturer maybe but i dont think spinning discs have firmware you can update i totally could be wrong
God my grandfather had that same style of CPU heatsink when we updated his PC a decade or so back. Those things are a death sentence to fingers.
It also is very ugly imo lol
If you Pause at 17:06 and look at the 2 bottom left holes it looks damaged and may even have some burn, looks like they may have went to tight on the bracket and did some damage to the board
Good catch. On the left lower hole there seems to be some damage to a trace or two.
That very left one is the mounting hole for the vrm cover. The owner is very unlikely to have messed around with that.
that would explain why simply switching a case would result in no post, nice.
He must've accidentally hit the vrm heatsink and caused a short in the traces by the look of it
thats always my fear when mounting the motherboard. i accedently tighten the screw to much and crach a trace
That's a crazy looking CPU cooler. You know, I always learn something with your "Fix or Flop" videos. Last year, I built a mini-PC, and the motherboard didn't have an I/O shield. I ended up buying a generic one with a plastic grid. I think clipped out the spots where various ports either extended out or needed holes for inputs.
I love how consistent this series is! I could for sure fix my pc if it broke now lmao
Not so easy if you don’t have a bunch of other working parts to swap in and out to narrow down the issue. But the process is fairly straight forward.
Even the title is consistent!
@@TheHackysack If it ain't broke, don't fix it! 😂
@Hex I currently keep a ryzen 5 3600 on hand just in case (I just hold onto it when I upgraded ig it also wouldn't hurt to keep a cheap gpu around to test though
I love that old school Zalman CPU cooler. Looks unique, and it performed really well
Did you try booting original motherboard outside of the case?
It was the same issue with my previous motherboard, keep posting led light at dram, I think there is something blocking the electricity to get into to dram. Might be short circuit, but just I clean every dimm slot, and doing some single stick changing and testing in every slot then back all the stick and it get fixed.
Pausing at 16:59, there's a screw hole (leftish center of the screen) that looks like it might've been drilled right through some motherboard traces (or at least crushed by an overlarge screw?) It really doesn't look like there should be a hole there.
It´s for the VRM Cooler.
I would have liked it if you would have bench tested his motherboard, just to be sure. Maybe you did and just didn't mention it.
Regardless, Greg, you're a class act. Much respect from the Great State of Alaska. Stay warm.
I would have liked you to try and build his original platform outside of the case, just to conclusively rule out whether there was a short or not.
I agree! I don't think he tries "breadboarding" faulty systems enough. I can't tell you the number of times doing so has led to solutions for me.
That was my thought. Did it for the "new" MB but not for the original that had a mess of wires in the case.
I'm not convinced that mobo wasn't shorted in the case. Did you test it outside the case? I would have.
Most common causes of a failure during case swap are either static electricity damaging something on the board, or some internal traces cracking if any force is used while moving the motherboard.
I wonder why Greg doesn't use a anti-static wristband?
Oh man this old CNPS 9900 gives me some memories... Had those coolers in various forms, including green 9700, very cute things
I'm always happy to see another video for this series! it's so informative and entertaining, I've learned a lot from watching these videos from you :)
Glad you like them! More to come :-)
Hey Greg, I can tell you a story about a case swap that killed one of my systems:
About 15 years ago I was moving my system from my old (Coincidence! Check out that top mounted fan on the system you just fixed) Apevia X-Jupiter S type to a new Cooler Master HAF-X.
The system was in perfect working order before the switch, I changed no other hardware, but upon finishing the case swap, the system wouldn’t power on, I tried swapping the PSU, RAM, CPU, GPU, every combination of devices attached and unattached, nothing worked.
This was far from the first system I had ever built, but nothing I could think of worked; eventually I resorted to buying a new motherboard, and guess what? That didn’t work either! I was at my wits end and finally reached out to a friend that was as good (possibly better, but I’ll deny that) with computers as me.
We tested all of my hardware, everything was fine except the motherboards, they were both dead. Eventually we tore apart the case itself and when removing the front I/O plate and PCB from the case we discovered that it was assembled incorrectly at the factory! One of the solder legs from the power connector to the PCB had pierced through the ground wire running to the motherboard USB 2.0 header dumping voltage into it and cooking the boards.
This we confirmed was the problem, I rebuilt the system with a different HAF-X; Cooler Master, after some “hemming and hawing”, eventually cut me a check to make me whole again for the money I had spent on parts that couldn’t be returned.
Anyway, I hope this story is a helpful warning to everyone, check everything when building in a new case, you could save yourself some real heartache.
Oh, and R.I.P. my DFI Lanparty DK P45-T2RS plus, I loved that board.
I wonder if it was the traces from the socket to the memory slots.
Maybe broke when lifting by the cooler?
You'd be able to see if they were damaged.
I'm pretty sure the person tried to flash the BIOS and somehow screwed it up because the only ways for all four DIMM slots to stop working are a failed CPU (or IMC on the CPU) or cut traces, as you said and I don't know how you would damage the traces for all 4 DIMM slots by installing the board into a case.
You could be right. Depends also what case that system used to be in. I had the same situation a few years ago with an AMD FX board,it was used in a cheap Zalman case and the board was bent because of the way that case was made. When i swapped it in a case that actually was keeping it flat,it only worked about 1 more week until it died (worked fine until i turned it off and never powered up ever again). It can also happen if you put in a heavier GPU that would warp the board and ruin the traces with time
Hey Greg, love this series and also PCDC.
I think this is a classic case o ESD.
The owner 'fried' his motherboard when handling it to change the case.
It's rare, but happens.
Remember to always ground yourself when messing around with sensitive electronics.
We upgraded a system recently (3900X-5950X/32-64GB RAM) to gain a bit more longevity before moving past AM4, when the motherboard, an Aorus Master which had been working perfectly - bailed. We lost slot A2 completely, while B2 alone or A1 B1 in tandem caused the system to run like it needed a tune-up. Tested absolutely everything to no avail; I guess it just got tired. The pisser was that had I known we were going to drop another $300 on a MB, I may have just gone AM5 (though spending even more overall, and the whole point was not to do that).
I'd of built the system out out the case, I would have also looked for board flex where the weight of the CPU heatsink can cause a motherboard to flex especially if one does not have sufficient support under the board. The resulting shape of the board can take CPU pins out of sufficient contact with the CPU memory controllers/lanes resulting in the DRAM error. I've had this happen to multiple boards, one board after I took it out of its case and gently flattened it back worked perfectly again with no DRAM error. Hence these days I tend to look for ways to support my boards apart from the supplied standoffs such as little silicon stick-on feet in typically 3 or 4 targeted locations under the motherboard I find usually does the trick.
The first thing that comes to mind is static discharge. That is something that can happen just moving parts.
Its a shame when that happens, too, Im thinking the builder should have worn an anti-static bracelet like I did in the beginning....I fried more than a few when I first started
yay other one fix good job Greg , hate to ask but u did test the Motherboard out of the Case right ? , don't think it would make much of a difference but you never know lol
Hmm, I thought at the start it was a cooler mounting pressure issue, but hey, everything works in the end
My bet is static shock to the motherboard or something got shorted on metal in the new case.
Love the Zalman cooler in this Fix or Flop build. It's one of the most incredible looking coolers out there!
Just got my first gaming PC today (intended for 3D modeling) and was working on it, then this video came out. Time to put the unit aside.
Retired Navy Electronics Tech... I've killed a number of parts with ESD. Most tech reviewers don't really believe it's an issue, but the average person hasn't had the training techs go through. Plus winter is usually a time when electro static discharge is a high probability. (not too sure about winter temps/humidity in FL, but that's my guess)
my eyes immediately glued to the Zalman cooler. What an eye catcher.
I would say I'm not too surprised. There is always weird stuff that happens. A couple of years ago, I went through trying to figure out why my PC kept rebooting itself. Swapped enough parts to build a couple PCs. Then later found out it was a faulty reset switch on the case. It was annoying, but I ended up building two decent ones with all the parts left over. Older parts were donated to help a kid who got a crappy deal on a used one.
At 16:25 the bios version is 3703. The Asus web site has an updated version 3801: "Improved system performance.
Updated Intel CPU microcode. Improved DRAM compatibility."
Also: the CMOS battery could still be borderline defective, even though it showed 3.0+ volts with a volt meter. If it's the battery that was installed at the factory in Taiwan, it's now over 5 years old. A replacement I/O backplate for an Asus Z-170-E board is for sale on Ebay for $7.23, shipped free from China.
I've had this happen before when swapping cases. The only fix I did to make it work was to buy a new motherboard and RMA the one that did not work. Also the debug leds were not lighting up. Now I will use it for test parts.
Hey man I recently rewatched your clear cmos video as my pc was boot looping and it fixed it. You're a literal life saver 🙏
That means you changed something in the BIOS to cause the bootloop in the first place.
I'm guessing the board got a short in it when being transferred, probably from improper grounding
Greg thank you for these videos. One of your videos led me to finding out I had a bad motherboard for my new build, after trying 2 different sets of RAM and another CPU, finally swapped the board for an identical one and everything worked like a dream. First faulty ASUS product I've ever had in 20 years of building!
amazing how even a simple case swap things can go wrong these days. on an unrelated note here though. i got my 5700G apu replacement today and i learned the store i buy from known as memory express (kind of like a canadian version of micro center in a sense) and they were telling me that they seen a fair bit of failure of amd cpu's as well and that they mentioned they store a crud load of new stock in the service area cause of the constant failures that happen... makes me wonder how much of this is going on in the background at each store not often talked about, i thought id bring this up as it seems even the 5000 series are not as safe either.
I have that exact Z170 Pro gaming Aura. Still going strong! Its unfortunate that his failed :(
I recently built a PC where the case fried BOTH the motherboard AND the power supply! YES, all the standoffs were in the proper place and I didn't do anything stupid (I used to be a pro tech, nothing obvious shorted)! Ditched the case and installed the new motherboard and power supply in a different case, and had no issues. Never bothered to figure out why the case shorted out the motherboard as I was to upset (although now I wished I had gone after the case manufacturer to recoup my costs).
Good work. For future cases, remember that some motherboard manufacturers write in the manual that for a complete BIOS reset with the pins, the battery must also be removed. If the battery is left in, only the user settings are reset.
TNX, did not know this one.
Obviously moving to a different case would immediately cause the motherboard to be suspect. Damage during the move, or ESD would be the most likely, a short on the motherboard could permanently damage the board causing similar symptoms, if there was a short on the data pins for the memory it might cause those symptoms.
I got a 5700G that doesn't want to display. From what I'm getting from research, it's a Windows and AMD display adapter fight. Wish I could send it to you because I'm at wits end with it.
wonder when someone is going to start 3d print patterns for rear io shields.. I wonder if that would work.
I've noticed numerous times that when troubleshooting the board shows a GPU/DRAM light. Half the time it isn't related.
I don't watch a lot of "tech" type videos. With that being said, with this series, I'm actually excited every time I see you upload!
Cause of it is electrostatic discharge. An old trick I learned from people in the 90's , is to wrap it in aluminum foil, perforating it with the back soldering points if possible, from one day to another. This will discharge the entire board, capacitors, mofettes and etc and (clear) it. From what they say, it sort of realign electrons on its original form, solving the issue.
Worth a try! Good luck.
Haven't seen one of those Zalman toilet brush coolers in years.
I noticed your Be quiet screwdriver. I love using that thing for working on my pc with the long reach.
Maybe he roughed up the board a bit during the swap, might have bent it more than it could manage and damaged a trace internally?? Or maybe knocked off a small smd or capacitor without noticing?
Had a M4A79T with an AMD Phenom II cpu. It was fine until I moved everything to a new case...(NO BOOT). Tried everything I could think of. Finally pulled everything out and bench tested and it worked fine. I reinstalled everything back into new case and it fired right up. Components can be so touchy sometimes.
Very nice Salazar. Pretty much covered every question I had going through the video as they came. Details Nicely Done !!
I had a somewhat similar experience that the owner did. Expect, mine happened when I took my GTX 980 Ti out to remove the dust with an air can, but when I reinstalled my GPU the CPU (i7 6700K and an Asus Z170-A) decided it was going to overheat without actually getting hot. I didn’t touch as single component other than the GPU. The cooler I had for that CPU was an AIO in perfect working order. No damage to the CPU or motherboard caused by handling it. No overclock was applied to the CPU at the time either. When the system was on, the exhausted air from the CPU was pretty darn close to ambient temperatures. It limited it to 1 core at 800mhz. Not sure what caused it.
I have learnt that you ALWAYS test boot a m/board before putting in a case; however sketchy the set-up, get to the BIOS & you know you have to rip it all apart later on.
Love seeing the Zalman cooler! I h a very the same one and it has been cooling my 3770k well for the past ten years.
17:03 It looks like there's a wet spot of some sort just below the cpu socket. It kind of looks like there's lint stuck to it. Based on no other information than that, I suspect soda damage.
makes me wonder if it was either a spill and he tried to clean it up or static maybe
Idk if this is a real solution or not but it did work for me. My motherboard was showing DRam light and no display out. So i cleaned the ram slot area with air and it started to work for some reason.
i had to clear cmos today to get my pc to work! 😁 thanks to greg and his FoF series 🙌
Yay! Glad it was an easy fix!
@GregSalazar me too! i tried an older gpu in my system to test it and when i put my original gpu back in, i had no post and the vga light stayed lit on the motherboard. thanks greg.
@@GregSalazar A bit of a weird one, I built a PC for someone, a week later it stopped working, had to reset CMOS and it worked again, and it's worked ever since! Not seen this issue happen so soon.
I almost killed my motherboard once when swapping cases.
One of the standoffs started rotating when I was loosening the motherboard screw, and it started lifting the corner of the motherboard. I wasn't paying full attention to it, until I heard a _crack_ and I absolutely freaked out, because I immediately knew that I stupideded more stupider than usual.
But luckily the board worked fine afterwards.
I think the reason was that I didn't pay enough attention to tightening the standoffs on day one, and I also had 2 different types of "motherboard screws", I might have been using a PSU screw instead, with slightly different threads, but they look the same.
It's definitely good to double check everything, and immediately stop and check yourself if something feels off, like a mobo screw feeling a bit strange when tightening or loosening it.
Those i/o shields can be a problem keeping track of over the years.
I like the single non-color-matching RGB fan at the top.
One posible explanation for a dead motherboard after swapping cases is damage to the back of the motherboard when moving it to the new case by scraping it against the scree standoffs. FYI, I remember Linus from LTT mentioning that that had happened to him once. Another possibility is a standoff in an incorrect bore/hole could cause a short since the case is grounded. I'd double check the back of the board, and essentially the standoffs just to be sure.
Also a quick question: Sometimes you come across motherboards without debug codes/LEDs, have you ever tried using a PCIe debug card? If yes, is there a reason you don't use them?
Why bother with a PCIe card when you can just plug in a $1 piezo speaker and listen to the beeps?
@@AdmrlSpeedy pretty sure he's mentioned, if not in this video, in another, that he does try to plug them, but most of the time they don't beep at all.
the most realistic troubleshooting series you can get. i mean i doesn't get any more realistic
My friend recently tried putting a new 12th gen board in his old case and was getting a cpu light and no boot. He put it in a new case and it just worked.
Might be worth getting an external clip on bios flasher. Sometimes the bios just corrupts itself and you get these weird errors.
If the case is new, sometimes stuff like front panel connectors being shorted or the front USB/audio, and that can prevent booting
11:24 hey I have nearly that same Asrock board (got a model up from it, but looks nearly the same) - it's been really solid, super happy with it.
One of the many reasons we love watching Science Studios. His vids like these are fun to watch
TIL "Greg Salazar" AKA "Science Studios" Never heard of that, so I looked it up and was confused for a second when THIS channel came back up!
Another great video. Just a thought though is that the board has a swappable 8 pin bios chip. Could you not get a pre-programmed one to double check bios failure?
I’m going to have to move in or around the Orlando area just to have this kind of tech support haha
That CPU cooler looks so weird, but sorta cool
Did you check to see if all his motherboard case stands were in the right place? If a post is in the wrong place he might have put micro cracks in the board when securing it or even arced something that was touching the case.
Best series with best host is back!
What's wrong this time? Hop in to learn something!
Thanks Greg 😀
I've had several motherboard where taking them out and putting them in would make the work correctly. I have to think its something to do with grounding that is done through the standoffs.
I see a Fix or Flop video, I click right on it!
Those Zalman coolers were so cool back in the day.
All that work.... and the exhaust fan still isn't spinning. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 good job tho man.
I was thinking about taking a photo of that rear IO on motherboard. Then printing it on a paper to the exact dimensions and sticking to some aluminium sheet. Then just use some drills and dremel to make matching holes. It would take probably few hours but it would work.
I had a similar problem once and the io shield aluminum tab was shorting out the Ethernet port because it ended up inside instead of behind. Once I fixed that, everything worked fine.
This reminds me of that day when I swap PC with a MSI Mobo into a different case. Initially powered on just fine, the next day no sign of life at all. Had a buddy who builds computers as a side hustle check it out, only to rule out the mother board was to be blamed. Till this day still am figuring out what caused out.
love your problem solving videos cheers from Melbourne Australia
i would still do a mainboard test outside the case just in case it's a odd short problem however unlikely
The same happened to me a while ago. Swapped cases and the motherboard died🤷♂ For the record I am not a beginner and have quite a bit of experience in pc building. Stuff like this happens to the best of us too.
Love that I found your channel. Helped me get my PC up and running.
Sems like the memory voltage is missing. Check with a multimeter at the top right side coils.
rewatching the series. i'm laid off from work. playing progressive breakbeat music while watching. hi from 2024 aug
Never use metallic pencils or rulers, or wear rings or metal watchbands when working with electrical equipment. This rule is very easy to forget, especially when you are showing some electrical part pointing with metallic pencil.
I've seen this before. User first installed the board in to the case without standoffs. I'm guessing it shorted a bunch of components?
Another time I saw this was indeed an issue with the CMOS battery, which I totally missed. The board was making a loud whine like a cap was going. Ordered a new board which did not come with a battery, popped the old battery in to the new board, and the issue followed it. New battery went in, problem solved - but the issue remained with the old board even with a new battery. Super weird.
great video bud lets see some vintage pc fixes!
I had an Asus x570 board that I had used for about 3 months before buying a new case. When I switched cases, the board completely died. I had tried different power supplies etc but I couldn't even get the chipset fan to spin on power up. Completely toast. The only thing I could figure had to been a static discharge that killed the board because I was not being safe with the swap - wearing socks on carpet etc. Don't know what else it could have been. Super weird.
That clear stripper heel fan is the real problem Cheers!
I put over 450watts through that same PSU. It still works and has a lovely smokey smell now.
Great video. Note there is at least one Ebay seller than just sells new IO shields. Seller probably buys them as needed and that's why it was in plastic. Must have gotten the wrong one or got it mixed up.
It was definitely a board issue (probably got static shocked or damaged during the transfer) but I am surprised you didn't try more than one DIMM slot (if you did and just didn't show it in the video, my apologies). I have had memory do this before and I just moved it slots. Not only did that work, but for some reason when I moved it back, the original slot worked too. Either way, if the port was damaged or just needed to be cleaned out, it might work with another DIMM slot. That sucks about the I/O shield though, even though those don't cost much, the time frame to fix the mistake is annoying. Do you ever try to RMA stuff you find? I always thought doing so to try to get some parts in exchange for the ones you pay for might be a good way to acquire inventory, but then I saw your video where you kept all the ryzen chips and tested them,. Might be worth trying.
He usually does check every slot or just the first 2 slots but off camera just to save video time
Also I had a similar issue when I first installed ram, correct slots but what I did wrong was I didn’t wait long enough for the memory to train and cycle, after swapping to a different slot it almost instantly worked because it was already trained but I probably pulled it out just as it was about to post
Just be patient and let the system do it’s thing is what I’ve learned
He stated in the video that he tried each of owner module in each slot and Greg’s known good module in each of the slots. I know doesn’t generally show everything he does for time issues but he generally states what he did do. Easy to miss.
@@johnrazor8720 You're right. I just saw that he mentioned that. Thanks.
I may have missed it, but I didn't see you set up the old motherboard outside the case.
I once rebuilt my computer and plugged in a VGA cable into the 8-pin EPS slot. It didn't turn on, I was super scared, the power supply even made popping noises. It was scary.
It could be ESD damage
it's probably a short in the motherboard, I saw someone else comment that the old board looks like it got burnt a tad and I saw it too, there was probably something on the standoff or case that contacted something on the board and shorted it
Can we get this guy to 1 million subs already!! Love Greg's content!
I always enjoy watching your troubleshooting process.
Hi Greg! I recently found your channel as I was looking up stuff about computers because I want to build my very own for the first time! I've learned so much from you and I just wanted to thank you for making your videos so informative!
It may of been the rear io shield strap toughing the pins of the back usb sockets
Just finally got rid of my activate windows watermark thanks to your promo code : ) Thanks greg