If it was a suspected mounting pressure related issue, I would have checked a different cooler and bracket to see if the issue persisted. That would have at least narrowed the issue down to the socket specifically and not a savaged bracket, cooler, etc.
I don't think a damaged bracket or cooler would keep the system from posting altogether. That suggests damaged traces/improper contacts within the socket area of the motherboard. In any case, I wouldn't trust that mobo going forward and I think it would have been best for Greg to swap it out.
It was user error. I think he wouldn't want to make a habit of replacing things people broke because that would encourage people to break their stuff and send it in for a free possible upgrade.
@@Exitium93 True.... I agree, but remember Greg is still making money out of this video and he won't purchase the board, as he mentioned asking gigabyte to send one. It would be sent free. I agree with Alexandru, motherboard should have been swap. This is just a temporary fix.
@@redalcatel27 yea but he also dont want to wear out his relationship with these companies also. He has a good relationship that he can call up gigabyte msi etc to send replacements to him or whomever may need it. But you dont what the company to say ok you called me up 20 times in 10 days we aint doing this no more.
@@TheBlaze267 As long as he makes another video advertising that brand and saying they sent board free, that's enough. This brands dont loose money here. It never going to be win win win....
Just FYI, almost every Enermax AIO will be bad as they have a problem with their coolant mixture. I took pics of the version 2 that they said fixed the issues and wouldn't you know it, clogged with a bunch of crud.
@@mikeycrackson Yeah, why is there no manufacturer that slapped a display onto an air cooler? It seems that this is one of the reasons people buy AIOs. Maybe also the "general look", that is just different. OEMs like them, because they reduce weight on the socket and thus might reduce damage during transport.
@@danagibbs3265 The two I had gotten from Enermax lasted about 2-3 years before clogging up. It was the TR4 platform and was a bit notorious for issues. I replaced it with a Dark Rock pro 4 with no issues, just make sure you have case clearance.
I've really enjoyed this series. I've built several rigs for my friends, and a few times I've run into issues that I've been able to fix thanks to something I've learned in these videos.
Love the quick checklist of 'initial known details' about the situation in first part of the video. It's a good addition for the series moving forward.
Not that I don't love the trouble shooting & problem solving but I must admit the look on Greg's face in the "thats a post!" moment is always my favorite part! @ 10:24 was a good one👍
Same, I really dislike the P750GM, as they were known for going BOOM (and potentially taking out GPUs and MBs with it). First thing I'd have done was flung the P750GM out the window and replaced it with a RMX750.
A build I did last year from all new parts had all kinds of stability issues, even down to the point where I couldn't get it into the BIOS. Ended up rebuilding the entire PC for the customer and figured out that it was uneven mounting pressure that was the issue with the stock AMD cooler. I suspect as the system powered on and the CPU/socket started to heat up, the little bit of expansion due to heat was enough to cause the issues. Good spot with this one, not obvious at all and so easily missed even with methodical testing approaches. Well done, Greg!
I happen to have the exact same motherboard! Funnily enough, the fan issue at 3:10 has been a recurring issue for me... kept making me think my fans or fan hub were dead, not sure what's up with that. I think my AIO is seated improperly too, my 5800x runs way too hot compared what's normal. Anyway, thanks for the constant entertainment Greg!
I would try another cooler first. It may be causing the uneven pressure and would be cheaper than a new board. I have had this happen to me before and I just had to loosen the screws a bit to get it working normally again.
I like watching this series... currently in the process of diagnosing a PC build myself that I am working on for someone else who doesn't live far from your area. I will say there is a somewhat distracting interference noise that is being picked up and played back in my headset's right audio channel. Unsure if it is the microphone that is the culprit, the software, or something else.
13:03 It appears to me that the upper tab above his thumb seems bent down lower than the others which would create uneven pressure on the CPU. But the others seem bent too actually.
Great job Greg 👍. I just finished my new water cooled rig, and after loading coolant.......... Wouldn't pay post. I tried every which way to fix it. This was an Intel 13900K build by the way. Mine was fixed very similarly to this unit, although i was working if of a brand new motherboard with no damage. I purchased one of those cold plate thermal right mounts. It pushed the cpu down properly, probably more evenly too and............VOILA! Posted no problems after that.
You should have a Ryzen APU to test AMD mobos. Ryzen 3 2200G should be the sweet spot as its covers older BIOS-es and it has integrated GPU so you dont need to add one.
I dont think they dropped support for any Ryzen CPUs, only for the athlon ones. And if even thats the case with 1st gen Ryzen, then 3200G should do the trick.
-- I would have added some light pushes to the block with a finger or two to see if the problem resurfaced. Also inspected the other side of the board for potential shorts - riser, bracket, etc - using a different cooler to see if the problem keeps occurring would have been another step. As it is, I would NOT have returned the system to him. A damaged socket can go on to damaging the CPU and perhaps even the RAM.
cannot wait to see you hit a million subs, been here when you had 100k and seeing the growth is insane! you def deserve it with the amount of work you put into your content, much love Greg!
Intersting did you look to see if it was shorting on the backside of the motherboard? If's truly from a warp you should be abel to find the spot where it's shorting and correct it. I would love to get my hands on that motherboard.
hey Greg great video, just thought I should let you know. There seems to be either a buzz or a whine coming through on your mic. It could be interference or background noise I'm not too sure. Its very subtle and hard to notice but thought I should let you know nonetheless.
I have a feeling this one isn't fixed for good, and that he's going to need a new mobo. If he put enough force behind it, he may have created loose solder joints, or there might even be a hairline crack in the board
He got money on views but can't replaced a motherboard for a viewer. Sad to the guy that need a fix to his/her pc. nothing has been resolved on the issue.
You be so harsh because you always want to try fix and not replace and offered to replace it for free if it broke again. You are just so mean to him because he "didn't replace the motherboard.
@@EgoistoYT then he can pay someone to do it this guy did it cause hes nice so what if he made a video off of it its not like he had to pay him to fix his pc at least now its usable he probably only made $1.60-3$ per 1000 views
I think people sleep on how important bios updates are, especially in ryzen systems, I have learned the hard way especially when mixing older motherboards with newer cpus . Also its amazing how now matter how much you work on pcs you always learn something new (I would have never thought the mounting pressure would be something that is wrong)
Too much mounting pressure on an air cooler will make the board bow around the socket, squeezing the cpu out. I imagine a similar thing happens for an aio. You can just look at the socket and visually determine if any bending or squeezing is happening on the board or on the pcb part of the cpu istelf. It works slightly differently for intel cpus but the rule of thumb is to only use as much pressure as is needed to get a decently firm hold on the cpu and nothing more.
I love the work you do Greg, but I'm not satisfied with this conclusion. That Enermax cooler is possibly clogged as they had issues with LiqTech 1 and some LiqTech 2 coolers that Gamers Nexus covered thoroughly. The exact serial number shoulder be checked to see if it's an affected unit and maybe get replaced for free. Secondly, I'm pretty sure his power supply is the one of the Gigabyte PSUs known to explode that GN also covered, depending on the exact serial number of course. That cooler and PSU should both be swapped out. I wouldn't be surprised if it was forcibly bundled with his GPU.
I was going to point out that its likely the mobo or the CPU or a combo of the two. I remember just a year prior to the pandemic lockdown I had upgraded from a 580 XT to a 5700XT and then eventually fell into a trap where I started upgrading almost every part of my PC piece by piece. The last part of my upgrade was the CPU (9900k). Everything was fine till plugged in the 9900k and then the curse started. The PC would keep rebooting itself randomly and there would be a rare few instances where it would work like it should (as long as I didn't reboot the PC). First I thought it was the bios and then for two weeks I systematically started checking every vital parts of the PC only to end having to replace my Asus mobo to a gigabyte pro wifi and am still using the thing without any issues to date. Using it right now to type this.
Original complaint was overheating. I'd have tried using a new cooler, perhaps that would have given a more reliable mounting pressure in addition to peace of mind on the state of that AIO.
I love this series, it’s so entertaining. I’m still new to the tech computer world but I’ve got a lot of passion for it since building my own pc. Great video
Love the video....seeing the AIO pressure mounting puts me off working on my own rig as even mounting pressure can kill your pc....Great tips and tricks as always Greg. Love ya work.
I am just starting the video but I had to comment because I bought that same AIO (if it's the 240 one) for the pc I built a year ago (April 2022). I got it for a 10100F (it was on discount and before I knew it was overkill for the processor... which actually helped me diagnose the issue in the end) I also started getting high temps at about the end of April after reinstalling windows and adding a 2 TB NVME for my games. I'm talking close to 90C while playing RE4 Remake (it was more like close to 50C before I installed the NVME). I reapplied the thermal paste and was sill getting high temps so in the end I chose to be thorough. I ended up spending 5 dollars on some Arctic MX4 and just getting a Vetroo V5 air cooler and that ended up fixing my issue. I just chose to remove the complication of the AIO in the end. I might be upgrading to an 11400f (so I can actually use both of my NVME slots on my mobo) so I am glad to know that the V5 will cool that just as well. I just thought it was a bit ironic that this is the first video I am seeing with that Enermax AIO in a build. While it worked out for most of the year surprisingly enough the V5 air seems to cool better than the Enermax AIO ever did. I am glad that the AIO wasn't the issue, at least with cooling.
Those energized cpu coolers are problematic. I had issues with mine with the cpu backplate touching contacts on the backside of the motherboard. Also I have had 4 of that exact model of enermax coolers fail on me. They are known for having corrosion build up inside the loop. The only enermax aio’s I still have working have flow meters built into the cpu block and an external pump. One of which I had to drain take apart clean the cpu block and refill with new coolant.
I had an overheating issue with a 3600x a few years ago. After updating the bios it fixed the issue. It was something that I didn't really believe would help but it did.
I just had to comment on the cable combs i ordered a few kits and then modified the length of the longest ones to the total width of the graphics card cables. It looks amazing and clean :D highly recommend that
I had a similar issue with Enermax AIO because backplate touched motherboard ( lucky because nothing got bad), i used some electric tape on backplate and all was resolved.
I have the same strix b550 motherboard. My bios resets to the original board's bios anytime power is disconnected and I have to perform a bios flash-back for my 5600x
Honestly with this kind of problem I would have either swapped the board or gave the owner the option to swap right away. I had a Pentium 4 era board that had an identical problem. It only worked for about 2 months with light heatsink pressure.
Ive had 2 amd systems fail inconsistently on post and it was because of a partially ripped chip on the back of the board, close to the upper left standoff screwhole. I think it has to do with power delivery to the CPU. Maybe check on that.
I've learned some from this Fix or flop series how to rewire some wire to hide love the content btw didn't got any problem in my newly build because of this vid
I recently had a similar issue with 5800x3d on a x570 board. I installed both and after I updated bios and chipset software i restarted and got nothing. The lights were on but no one was home. I installed my 3700x in the new board and it worked just fine. Messed around with different bios versions, swapping the cpu out after each try, but nothing worked. I ended up swapping out ram with another kit I have and it fixed my issue. I believe the new board is a bit pickier than the old board and the old ram might be on its way out and throwing errors. Which would explain the hang ups during intense loads while gaming on the old set up. Old board was b550 with 3700x cpu
few years back my brother upgraded his pc, I gave few parts that I had, including the cpu which was R5 1600, he got msi's b450 a pro max, and for somereason it didn't boot with the 1600, it did boot with my 3600, the fix was to reflash the bios version it already had. point is that computers and bios are weird and don't make sense sometimes
I had the same problem few weeks ago, random bluescreens, memory related issues, not posting, lot of things happend, switched rams, anything i could, and i just saw JayzTwoCents video about mounting pressure... loosed a littlebit and voila my PC working again with no Bluescreens. You cant tightened up so hard because the littel pins will close together. I was scared about temps maybe the screws too loose but not my temps are the same as before.
i had them same issue with the same mobo but i had just got a 4070 ti and i thought it was dead and i had a 5800x and it worked fine or whatever and i bought a new cpu cause i thought it was dead and i got the 5800x3d and turns out it just needed the extra 4 pin so that was nice to know that my cpu or gpu wasnt dead
Even the ones with corrosive issues are usually fine within the first year. Hopefully yours will still be fine a couple years from now. Ennermax has had a reputation of gunk buildup more than any other AIO brand.
Greg, I love your work but I would have been very suspicious of that Enermax AIO. It may be crud filled and you just dislodged the gunk. Personally, I would have replaced it with something like a $20 THermalright Assassin 120 or if you want to splurge a Scythe Fuma 2. There's a reason why Enermax AIOs are the cheapest.
If it's using a plastic backp!ate for mounting cooler then it's possibly bending the first ram DIMM slot enough to cause no post. Using a solid insulated metal backplate will limit warping of socket and DIMM slot, as it's really close to DIMM SLOTS to maybe do this s
I would have tried a different cooler just to see if the mounting pressure from this specific cooler was the issue, or mounting pressure in general. Also, those Enermax Coolers are bad in general :/
oddly, had the problem with two 5600x's with the stock cooler, if the cooler was not tightened in just a certain way, no joy. I can't remember who I was watching on yt, but I remember them saying something about how you couldn't squish the part of the cpu that handles memory and this would happen with ryzen 3 (5000). Didn't see that with 1.5 or 2
If you think about it. Intel CPUs are getting DEFORMED by the socket. And mainboards mught even bend quite far, if you tighten screws too hard. The AIO Pump was not installed correctly and he might have bend/deformed the IHS or the board to much. And now it is crooked.
The AIO/CPU socket may have problems, but I also noticed at the end of the video the brand of PSU that's in this PC. Gigabyte 750. I'm sure I have seen something about them exploding. I think it might have been on GN.
Been there before, over tightened my AIO bracket by literally half a turn on 2 screws. It would not boot, just go full fan speed with no post and stayed that way. I did everything from CMOS to swapping components. It wasn't until i tried to start the pc without the cooler installed that it posted, 5 hours later. Hopefully he didn't crack anything in the board, im pretty sure i did as it started having random connection drop outs on usb ports, audio.
I have that same board and have had nothing but either trouble or or great results with it it either works great or not at all and the board may have 300 hours on it if that the cooler is usually what i am messing with when it acts out tho, maybe you found my problem aswell
when you mentioned about twisting the pins or w/e i thought of when i first built my pc: i was swapping out my stock 5600x fan for an ak620 when i first built it cuz it would idle at like 50c(dropped to 30c with the deepcool tower) and i was having some trouble removing it so i pulled a bit too hard and it just straight up took the stock fan and the cpu still attached. thank christ none of the pins got bent but lesson learned, run the pc a bit to loosen the paste before changing the cpu cooler lmao
I built my new PC several months ago, for budget reason I paired a 13700k with a Z690 board(with BIOS flashback), I followed several online guides including updating my BIOS, but somehow my PC can't POST after assembly, after some tedious debugging it turns out my BIOS flashback isn't successful, that function seems to be rather picky about USB stick you use(I used the MSI flash stick that comes with the board), I had to dig up a very old USB drive and it works. So I had similar experience to Greg's process here, albeit I don't have a 12th gen CPU to do the debugging so I literally had to check everything until I start to doubt my initial BIOS flash update is not succesful.
Hey, nice video! Around the 1:20 mark that camera angle really had me feeling like my neck was breaking lol probably just me but otherwise great video 😁
I've had some issues with that Board myself. it bricked on me and I had to have it RMA'd with ASUS.. and the replacement board has some issues of it's own. lol
yeah I wouldn't feel right sending this back in that state but at the end of the day it was a free service that did narrow it down the issue for the viewer.
Maybe those high temps damaged the socket in some way too and when he removed the cooler it released the pressure on the board and developed small cracks around the socket that won't make contact anymore unless some amount of pressure is put on it again
A few years back I had a freak accident where a bookshelf fell onto my PC (laden with books) and knocked it over with force . Had a tower cooler at the time and the force was enough for it to put a bend in the motherboard where the CPU socket was. I had lots of instability and crashes until I ran the PC on its side with case horizontal with the floor , which then fixed themselves. A few months later replaced the board entirely - the bend meant the CPU socket couldn't properly contact with the board - hence the instability.
I have the same motherboard and had issues with the then latest bios version. Had to go back to previous version and everything started working like it should. Why to get pretty PSU cable extensions and use cable combs wrong?
I have a interesting issue I run a 3 monitor set up and I switched one of the monitors out for a different one… I swapped cables and one of my other monitors shut off and wouldn’t work on DisplayPort. HDMI yes Dvi yes. ended up switching the new monitor to a dvi and the old monitor started working again Any ideas why it does this if I connect the new monitor any other way cept dvi the other monitor shuts off immediately and this has happened with 2 different video cards lol
I bought a "broken" Asus Z97 Deluxe a few years ago on eBay that had a memory issue, but I googled it beforehand and found out that the memory tracers were prone to breaking due to mounting pressure, but I thought I'd give it a shot anyway because the board was only about €25, and it was a great motherboard at the time. I had the memory issue initially when booting it up, but like this I adjusted the mounting pressure and never had a problem with it again. If I did had more issues my plan was to put a little plastic washer on some of the standoff screws under the motherboard, to bend it slightly in the appropriate direction. But luckily I never needed to do this.
Okay i have to say, i am glad this video came into my recommended cuze i have been experincing the exact same behavior, never suspected its mounting pressure so now i will play around with that and see if it fixes my issue too, would be great if it does and would mean i just need a new cooler/mobo than buying a much more expensive CPU
If it was a suspected mounting pressure related issue, I would have checked a different cooler and bracket to see if the issue persisted. That would have at least narrowed the issue down to the socket specifically and not a savaged bracket, cooler, etc.
I don't think a damaged bracket or cooler would keep the system from posting altogether. That suggests damaged traces/improper contacts within the socket area of the motherboard. In any case, I wouldn't trust that mobo going forward and I think it would have been best for Greg to swap it out.
It was user error. I think he wouldn't want to make a habit of replacing things people broke because that would encourage people to break their stuff and send it in for a free possible upgrade.
@@Exitium93 True.... I agree, but remember Greg is still making money out of this video and he won't purchase the board, as he mentioned asking gigabyte to send one. It would be sent free. I agree with Alexandru, motherboard should have been swap. This is just a temporary fix.
@@redalcatel27 yea but he also dont want to wear out his relationship with these companies also. He has a good relationship that he can call up gigabyte msi etc to send replacements to him or whomever may need it. But you dont what the company to say ok you called me up 20 times in 10 days we aint doing this no more.
@@TheBlaze267 As long as he makes another video advertising that brand and saying they sent board free, that's enough. This brands dont loose money here. It never going to be win win win....
you should include the viewers message like you did in the intro from now on!
That's the goal!
That would be cool
Absolutely and its surprising that i had never thought it was weird we never got it. Really adds some context to the whole thing.
@@GregSalazar Hey I'm hearing a slight feedback in the video, mostly coming from the right side, just thought I'd let you know.
Just FYI, almost every Enermax AIO will be bad as they have a problem with their coolant mixture. I took pics of the version 2 that they said fixed the issues and wouldn't you know it, clogged with a bunch of crud.
I must have a good one then, been going for 3 years an still kicking lol
How long does it usually take for the bad ones to go? I recently used one in a build for someone else, so I would like to check on it in the future.
You remember the MSI AIOs? Can be everything between a few month or like two years. Use an air cooler I you don't want to think about it any more.
@@mikeycrackson Yeah, why is there no manufacturer that slapped a display onto an air cooler? It seems that this is one of the reasons people buy AIOs. Maybe also the "general look", that is just different. OEMs like them, because they reduce weight on the socket and thus might reduce damage during transport.
@@danagibbs3265 The two I had gotten from Enermax lasted about 2-3 years before clogging up. It was the TR4 platform and was a bit notorious for issues. I replaced it with a Dark Rock pro 4 with no issues, just make sure you have case clearance.
I've really enjoyed this series. I've built several rigs for my friends, and a few times I've run into issues that I've been able to fix thanks to something I've learned in these videos.
Yup… Greg’s the man.
Love the quick checklist of 'initial known details' about the situation in first part of the video.
It's a good addition for the series moving forward.
Not that I don't love the trouble shooting & problem solving but I must admit the look on Greg's face in the "thats a post!" moment is always my favorite part! @ 10:24 was a good one👍
I was worried when I saw that 750w gigabyte PSU. Just kept thinking of the gamers nexus story on them.
Yeah that PC with the Ener-MaxSludge Cooler & Gigabang PSU is a GN Horror Story😱😱😱😱😱
Same, I really dislike the P750GM, as they were known for going BOOM (and potentially taking out GPUs and MBs with it). First thing I'd have done was flung the P750GM out the window and replaced it with a RMX750.
A build I did last year from all new parts had all kinds of stability issues, even down to the point where I couldn't get it into the BIOS. Ended up rebuilding the entire PC for the customer and figured out that it was uneven mounting pressure that was the issue with the stock AMD cooler. I suspect as the system powered on and the CPU/socket started to heat up, the little bit of expansion due to heat was enough to cause the issues.
Good spot with this one, not obvious at all and so easily missed even with methodical testing approaches. Well done, Greg!
I happen to have the exact same motherboard! Funnily enough, the fan issue at 3:10 has been a recurring issue for me... kept making me think my fans or fan hub were dead, not sure what's up with that. I think my AIO is seated improperly too, my 5800x runs way too hot compared what's normal. Anyway, thanks for the constant entertainment Greg!
I would try another cooler first. It may be causing the uneven pressure and would be cheaper than a new board. I have had this happen to me before and I just had to loosen the screws a bit to get it working normally again.
I'd replace the PSU before replacing the cooler, as the PSU is unsafe and needs to go.
Mounting pressure issues are more likely damaged internal traces around the socket which are pulled apart by the board flexing from mounting pressure.
I am still waiting for the next season of PCDC that hasn't been cleaned in years. Much love man
Nobody cares about cleaning a pc
@@kenny9088 Apparently at least one person does. That said, I much prefer these, too.
@@kenny9088lul your pc probably full of dust that's why you don't care that much of cleaning your rig
@@kenny9088 you woke up and chose violence didn’t you?
@@kenny9088 i care. i want both pcdcs back
I like watching this series... currently in the process of diagnosing a PC build myself that I am working on for someone else who doesn't live far from your area.
I will say there is a somewhat distracting interference noise that is being picked up and played back in my headset's right audio channel. Unsure if it is the microphone that is the culprit, the software, or something else.
I believe that motherboard was infact the issue - there was a hole in the socket where a resistor should be. Take a look at 5:28
13:03 It appears to me that the upper tab above his thumb seems bent down lower than the others which would create uneven pressure on the CPU. But the others seem bent too actually.
One of, if not, the best series out there currently. Keep it up!
I appreciate it!
Great job Greg 👍. I just finished my new water cooled rig, and after loading coolant.......... Wouldn't pay post. I tried every which way to fix it. This was an Intel 13900K build by the way.
Mine was fixed very similarly to this unit, although i was working if of a brand new motherboard with no damage. I purchased one of those cold plate thermal right mounts. It pushed the cpu down properly, probably more evenly too and............VOILA! Posted no problems after that.
You should have a Ryzen APU to test AMD mobos. Ryzen 3 2200G should be the sweet spot as its covers older BIOS-es and it has integrated GPU so you dont need to add one.
Most B550 boards doesn't support older than Zen2 CPUs/APUs so that's a little too old.
I dont think they dropped support for any Ryzen CPUs, only for the athlon ones. And if even thats the case with 1st gen Ryzen, then 3200G should do the trick.
mand that usb socket at 2:52ish (when hes jumping the pins for the bios reset are sure bent almost touching one another.
-- I would have added some light pushes to the block with a finger or two to see if the problem resurfaced. Also inspected the other side of the board for potential shorts - riser, bracket, etc - using a different cooler to see if the problem keeps occurring would have been another step.
As it is, I would NOT have returned the system to him. A damaged socket can go on to damaging the CPU and perhaps even the RAM.
4:31 is there a cable connected to the GPU?
cannot wait to see you hit a million subs, been here when you had 100k and seeing the growth is insane! you def deserve it with the amount of work you put into your content, much love Greg!
Great job on this repair. Keep up the wonderful work you do in this series :)
Intersting did you look to see if it was shorting on the backside of the motherboard? If's truly from a warp you should be abel to find the spot where it's shorting and correct it. I would love to get my hands on that motherboard.
hey Greg great video, just thought I should let you know. There seems to be either a buzz or a whine coming through on your mic. It could be interference or background noise I'm not too sure. Its very subtle and hard to notice but thought I should let you know nonetheless.
I have a feeling this one isn't fixed for good, and that he's going to need a new mobo. If he put enough force behind it, he may have created loose solder joints, or there might even be a hairline crack in the board
He got money on views but can't replaced a motherboard for a viewer. Sad to the guy that need a fix to his/her pc. nothing has been resolved on the issue.
You be so harsh because you always want to try fix and not replace and offered to replace it for free if it broke again. You are just so mean to him because he "didn't replace the motherboard.
@@EgoistoYT then he can pay someone to do it this guy did it cause hes nice so what if he made a video off of it its not like he had to pay him to fix his pc at least now its usable he probably only made $1.60-3$ per 1000 views
@@EgoistoYT Except he said that if the viewer has any troubles with it in the future that he will have Gigabyte send him a replacement.
@@ilikegpu he got sponsorship and adds on RUclips. He will gain more than to give a proper motherboard to the viewer.
I think people sleep on how important bios updates are, especially in ryzen systems, I have learned the hard way especially when mixing older motherboards with newer cpus . Also its amazing how now matter how much you work on pcs you always learn something new (I would have never thought the mounting pressure would be something that is wrong)
Too much mounting pressure on an air cooler will make the board bow around the socket, squeezing the cpu out. I imagine a similar thing happens for an aio. You can just look at the socket and visually determine if any bending or squeezing is happening on the board or on the pcb part of the cpu istelf.
It works slightly differently for intel cpus but the rule of thumb is to only use as much pressure as is needed to get a decently firm hold on the cpu and nothing more.
I love the work you do Greg, but I'm not satisfied with this conclusion. That Enermax cooler is possibly clogged as they had issues with LiqTech 1 and some LiqTech 2 coolers that Gamers Nexus covered thoroughly. The exact serial number shoulder be checked to see if it's an affected unit and maybe get replaced for free. Secondly, I'm pretty sure his power supply is the one of the Gigabyte PSUs known to explode that GN also covered, depending on the exact serial number of course. That cooler and PSU should both be swapped out. I wouldn't be surprised if it was forcibly bundled with his GPU.
yeah that PSU is a 750GM - that PC will be back with everything blown up because the PSU wasn't replaced the first time.
This was so fun to watch. I definitely learned something especially with the flashing bios. Cheers!
I knew I watch for good reason, I've never ran into that. I really enjoy bring old or damaged systems back to life.
@1:20 is that a bmth sempiternal vinyl almbum??
I was going to point out that its likely the mobo or the CPU or a combo of the two. I remember just a year prior to the pandemic lockdown I had upgraded from a 580 XT to a 5700XT and then eventually fell into a trap where I started upgrading almost every part of my PC piece by piece. The last part of my upgrade was the CPU (9900k). Everything was fine till plugged in the 9900k and then the curse started. The PC would keep rebooting itself randomly and there would be a rare few instances where it would work like it should (as long as I didn't reboot the PC). First I thought it was the bios and then for two weeks I systematically started checking every vital parts of the PC only to end having to replace my Asus mobo to a gigabyte pro wifi and am still using the thing without any issues to date. Using it right now to type this.
Original complaint was overheating. I'd have tried using a new cooler, perhaps that would have given a more reliable mounting pressure in addition to peace of mind on the state of that AIO.
The aio probably should have been inspected more
and a new power supply given the explosive piece of crap P750GM...
I love this series, it’s so entertaining. I’m still new to the tech computer world but I’ve got a lot of passion for it since building my own pc. Great video
you can use thin washers and create a very thin difference in the depth of the screws. you will need to get extra thin washers usually paper.
Gigabyte p750 GM (the Claymore PSU), Enermax AIO (it will clog).. that rig will come back soon in the future..
Yeah, probably with a failed everything because the PSU has blown itself to pieces. I wouldn't trust that P750GM if my life depended on it.
Love the video....seeing the AIO pressure mounting puts me off working on my own rig as even mounting pressure can kill your pc....Great tips and tricks as always Greg. Love ya work.
It wasn't the mounting pressure, it was ripping it off the cpu in a not so gentle manner.
Don’t hulk smash your rig and you will be fine.
I’ve bought that same enermax cooler and it was defective on arrival I’ve seen many reviews that they have problems
AIO churn was picked up by mic! New sound system is great! 2:14
I am just starting the video but I had to comment because I bought that same AIO (if it's the 240 one) for the pc I built a year ago (April 2022). I got it for a 10100F (it was on discount and before I knew it was overkill for the processor... which actually helped me diagnose the issue in the end) I also started getting high temps at about the end of April after reinstalling windows and adding a 2 TB NVME for my games. I'm talking close to 90C while playing RE4 Remake (it was more like close to 50C before I installed the NVME). I reapplied the thermal paste and was sill getting high temps so in the end I chose to be thorough.
I ended up spending 5 dollars on some Arctic MX4 and just getting a Vetroo V5 air cooler and that ended up fixing my issue. I just chose to remove the complication of the AIO in the end. I might be upgrading to an 11400f (so I can actually use both of my NVME slots on my mobo) so I am glad to know that the V5 will cool that just as well. I just thought it was a bit ironic that this is the first video I am seeing with that Enermax AIO in a build. While it worked out for most of the year surprisingly enough the V5 air seems to cool better than the Enermax AIO ever did. I am glad that the AIO wasn't the issue, at least with cooling.
SEASON 4!!!
Those energized cpu coolers are problematic. I had issues with mine with the cpu backplate touching contacts on the backside of the motherboard. Also I have had 4 of that exact model of enermax coolers fail on me. They are known for having corrosion build up inside the loop. The only enermax aio’s I still have working have flow meters built into the cpu block and an external pump. One of which I had to drain take apart clean the cpu block and refill with new coolant.
0:46 That AIO orientation makes a loud noise.
LOVE THE CONTENT GREG THIS CONTENT HELPED ME SOLVE MY PC ISSUES FROM THE UK
0:38 wow.. yugioh cards.. been watching your channel since science studio but just today i realized that you are also a duelist.
Autographed copy of Blackout. Nice!!! I hung out with those guys. Enjoying your channel!
I had an overheating issue with a 3600x a few years ago. After updating the bios it fixed the issue. It was something that I didn't really believe would help but it did.
I just had to comment on the cable combs i ordered a few kits and then modified the length of the longest ones to the total width of the graphics card cables. It looks amazing and clean :D highly recommend that
I had a similar issue with Enermax AIO because backplate touched motherboard ( lucky because nothing got bad), i used some electric tape on backplate and all was resolved.
I have the same strix b550 motherboard. My bios resets to the original board's bios anytime power is disconnected and I have to perform a bios flash-back for my 5600x
I had that happen upgrading recently. Needed to update bios before mobo should see the chip. MSI
The bracket on the cooler looks bent slightly when you are holding it. Could tightening it have been exerting incorrect pressure on one or more sides?
5:50 your setup looks amazing ngl
That is something I have never seen! Good work!
Honestly with this kind of problem I would have either swapped the board or gave the owner the option to swap right away. I had a Pentium 4 era board that had an identical problem. It only worked for about 2 months with light heatsink pressure.
think i may have found my new fave series on youtube ngl
the inlet point of the radiator is well above the pump, why don't you switch the aio to the top of the case?
Great video Greg , I imagine it would been a pressure issue no matter what cooler you put on there. This was like working on a car engine 1
Ive had 2 amd systems fail inconsistently on post and it was because of a partially ripped chip on the back of the board, close to the upper left standoff screwhole. I think it has to do with power delivery to the CPU. Maybe check on that.
thanks for teaching me many things about PCs. everytime i watching your pc videos I learn something new
I've learned some from this Fix or flop series how to rewire some wire to hide love the content btw didn't got any problem in my newly build because of this vid
I recently had a similar issue with 5800x3d on a x570 board. I installed both and after I updated bios and chipset software i restarted and got nothing. The lights were on but no one was home. I installed my 3700x in the new board and it worked just fine. Messed around with different bios versions, swapping the cpu out after each try, but nothing worked. I ended up swapping out ram with another kit I have and it fixed my issue. I believe the new board is a bit pickier than the old board and the old ram might be on its way out and throwing errors. Which would explain the hang ups during intense loads while gaming on the old set up. Old board was b550 with 3700x cpu
few years back my brother upgraded his pc, I gave few parts that I had, including the cpu which was R5 1600, he got msi's b450 a pro max, and for somereason it didn't boot with the 1600, it did boot with my 3600, the fix was to reflash the bios version it already had. point is that computers and bios are weird and don't make sense sometimes
I had the same problem few weeks ago, random bluescreens, memory related issues, not posting, lot of things happend, switched rams, anything i could, and i just saw JayzTwoCents video about mounting pressure... loosed a littlebit and voila my PC working again with no Bluescreens. You cant tightened up so hard because the littel pins will close together. I was scared about temps maybe the screws too loose but not my temps are the same as before.
According to Asus Rog QVL for that MOBO the 5900x was valid since 1004 bios ver. Always good to check the QVL if there is any doubt.
i had them same issue with the same mobo but i had just got a 4070 ti and i thought it was dead and i had a 5800x and it worked fine or whatever and i bought a new cpu cause i thought it was dead and i got the 5800x3d and turns out it just needed the extra 4 pin so that was nice to know that my cpu or gpu wasnt dead
I have an Enermax AIO 360 and have been using it for a little more than a year now and haven't had any problems with it so far.
Even the ones with corrosive issues are usually fine within the first year. Hopefully yours will still be fine a couple years from now. Ennermax has had a reputation of gunk buildup more than any other AIO brand.
Greg, I love your work but I would have been very suspicious of that Enermax AIO. It may be crud filled and you just dislodged the gunk. Personally, I would have replaced it with something like a $20 THermalright Assassin 120 or if you want to splurge a Scythe Fuma 2. There's a reason why Enermax AIOs are the cheapest.
If it's using a plastic backp!ate for mounting cooler then it's possibly bending the first ram DIMM slot enough to cause no post. Using a solid insulated metal backplate will limit warping of socket and DIMM slot, as it's really close to DIMM SLOTS to maybe do this s
I would have tried a different cooler just to see if the mounting pressure from this specific cooler was the issue, or mounting pressure in general. Also, those Enermax Coolers are bad in general :/
oddly, had the problem with two 5600x's with the stock cooler, if the cooler was not tightened in just a certain way, no joy. I can't remember who I was watching on yt, but I remember them saying something about how you couldn't squish the part of the cpu that handles memory and this would happen with ryzen 3 (5000). Didn't see that with 1.5 or 2
If you think about it. Intel CPUs are getting DEFORMED by the socket. And mainboards mught even bend quite far, if you tighten screws too hard.
The AIO Pump was not installed correctly and he might have bend/deformed the IHS or the board to much. And now it is crooked.
The AIO/CPU socket may have problems, but I also noticed at the end of the video the brand of PSU that's in this PC. Gigabyte 750. I'm sure I have seen something about them exploding. I think it might have been on GN.
good stuff, love this series, cant wait for the next one. Thanks Greg.
I had the same problem when I upgraded the CPU. It was a cooler pressure problem and when I removed and reinstalled the cooler the problem went away.
Been there before, over tightened my AIO bracket by literally half a turn on 2 screws. It would not boot, just go full fan speed with no post and stayed that way. I did everything from CMOS to swapping components. It wasn't until i tried to start the pc without the cooler installed that it posted, 5 hours later. Hopefully he didn't crack anything in the board, im pretty sure i did as it started having random connection drop outs on usb ports, audio.
I have that same board and have had nothing but either trouble or or great results with it it either works great or not at all and the board may have 300 hours on it if that the cooler is usually what i am messing with when it acts out tho, maybe you found my problem aswell
when you mentioned about twisting the pins or w/e i thought of when i first built my pc:
i was swapping out my stock 5600x fan for an ak620 when i first built it cuz it would idle at like 50c(dropped to 30c with the deepcool tower) and i was having some trouble removing it so i pulled a bit too hard and it just straight up took the stock fan and the cpu still attached. thank christ none of the pins got bent but lesson learned, run the pc a bit to loosen the paste before changing the cpu cooler lmao
I built my new PC several months ago, for budget reason I paired a 13700k with a Z690 board(with BIOS flashback), I followed several online guides including updating my BIOS, but somehow my PC can't POST after assembly, after some tedious debugging it turns out my BIOS flashback isn't successful, that function seems to be rather picky about USB stick you use(I used the MSI flash stick that comes with the board), I had to dig up a very old USB drive and it works.
So I had similar experience to Greg's process here, albeit I don't have a 12th gen CPU to do the debugging so I literally had to check everything until I start to doubt my initial BIOS flash update is not succesful.
What caused the screen to turn black when you set the rig upright?
probably gpu displayport cable moving around
Interesting, I’ve never had an issue with amd mounting pressure, I wonder how that could happen
Hey, nice video! Around the 1:20 mark that camera angle really had me feeling like my neck was breaking lol probably just me but otherwise great video 😁
I've had some issues with that Board myself. it bricked on me and I had to have it RMA'd with ASUS.. and the replacement board has some issues of it's own. lol
Digging the cable comb trick.
yeah I wouldn't feel right sending this back in that state but at the end of the day it was a free service that did narrow it down the issue for the viewer.
wow what a weird issue, never seen that one before. lucky guy u found it, very nice u could rule out CPU failure, that had sucked!
Maybe those high temps damaged the socket in some way too and when he removed the cooler it released the pressure on the board and developed small cracks around the socket that won't make contact anymore unless some amount of pressure is put on it again
A few years back I had a freak accident where a bookshelf fell onto my PC (laden with books) and knocked it over with force . Had a tower cooler at the time and the force was enough for it to put a bend in the motherboard where the CPU socket was. I had lots of instability and crashes until I ran the PC on its side with case horizontal with the floor , which then fixed themselves. A few months later replaced the board entirely - the bend meant the CPU socket couldn't properly contact with the board - hence the instability.
I have the same motherboard and had issues with the then latest bios version. Had to go back to previous version and everything started working like it should.
Why to get pretty PSU cable extensions and use cable combs wrong?
It would definitely have been a good idea to test a different cooler as well.
As well as a different power unit because the P750GM should be thrown out of the nearest window and into the trash
that bulid are so clean :D Really nice video bro
That gigabyte PSU is the one that had the exploding problems that GN exposed. Chances are that it will be good as it hasnt failed by now though.
I'd still get it replaced though!
i hate that strix b550-f board have the same one had so many issues with it
Worth trying different cooler on that. There so big now you can really over do the force on removing a stubborn one
I have a interesting issue I run a 3 monitor set up and I switched one of the monitors out for a different one… I swapped cables and one of my other monitors shut off and wouldn’t work on DisplayPort. HDMI yes Dvi yes. ended up switching the new monitor to a dvi and the old monitor started working again
Any ideas why it does this if I connect the new monitor any other way cept dvi the other monitor shuts off immediately and this has happened with 2 different video cards lol
An Enermax AIO as well as that Gigashyte PSU (pretty sure that's the model that was shorting out/exploding)? Oof...
That WAS the model that explodes!
Would a CPU contact frame have helped with evening out the moutning preassure?
I bought a "broken" Asus Z97 Deluxe a few years ago on eBay that had a memory issue, but I googled it beforehand and found out that the memory tracers were prone to breaking due to mounting pressure, but I thought I'd give it a shot anyway because the board was only about €25, and it was a great motherboard at the time.
I had the memory issue initially when booting it up, but like this I adjusted the mounting pressure and never had a problem with it again.
If I did had more issues my plan was to put a little plastic washer on some of the standoff screws under the motherboard, to bend it slightly in the appropriate direction. But luckily I never needed to do this.
Okay i have to say, i am glad this video came into my recommended cuze i have been experincing the exact same behavior, never suspected its mounting pressure so now i will play around with that and see if it fixes my issue too, would be great if it does and would mean i just need a new cooler/mobo than buying a much more expensive CPU
Great video, enjoyed as always. 4 sets of ads is too much Greg. Know you are building a new crib, but dayum.