Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S4:E2
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Welcome to Fix or Flop! We're up to Season 4, Episode 2. This viewer's gaming PC doesn't POST! Is this something we can fix? By the way, if you live in the Orlando, FL area and have an issue with your PC, apply to have it (possibly) fixed for free today! gregsalazar.co...
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you should include the viewers message like you did in the intro from now on!
That's the goal!
That would be cool
Absolutely and its surprising that i had never thought it was weird we never got it. Really adds some context to the whole thing.
@@GregSalazar Hey I'm hearing a slight feedback in the video, mostly coming from the right side, just thought I'd let you know.
If it was a suspected mounting pressure related issue, I would have checked a different cooler and bracket to see if the issue persisted. That would have at least narrowed the issue down to the socket specifically and not a savaged bracket, cooler, etc.
I don't think a damaged bracket or cooler would keep the system from posting altogether. That suggests damaged traces/improper contacts within the socket area of the motherboard. In any case, I wouldn't trust that mobo going forward and I think it would have been best for Greg to swap it out.
It was user error. I think he wouldn't want to make a habit of replacing things people broke because that would encourage people to break their stuff and send it in for a free possible upgrade.
@@Exitium93 True.... I agree, but remember Greg is still making money out of this video and he won't purchase the board, as he mentioned asking gigabyte to send one. It would be sent free. I agree with Alexandru, motherboard should have been swap. This is just a temporary fix.
@@redalcatel27 yea but he also dont want to wear out his relationship with these companies also. He has a good relationship that he can call up gigabyte msi etc to send replacements to him or whomever may need it. But you dont what the company to say ok you called me up 20 times in 10 days we aint doing this no more.
@@TheBlaze267 As long as he makes another video advertising that brand and saying they sent board free, that's enough. This brands dont loose money here. It never going to be win win win....
Just FYI, almost every Enermax AIO will be bad as they have a problem with their coolant mixture. I took pics of the version 2 that they said fixed the issues and wouldn't you know it, clogged with a bunch of crud.
I must have a good one then, been going for 3 years an still kicking lol
I guess I got lucky with the 2 I bought because they’re re both running fine after years…. My Lian Li galahad did clog after 3 months though.
How long does it usually take for the bad ones to go? I recently used one in a build for someone else, so I would like to check on it in the future.
You remember the MSI AIOs? Can be everything between a few month or like two years. Use an air cooler I you don't want to think about it any more.
@@mikeycrackson Yeah, why is there no manufacturer that slapped a display onto an air cooler? It seems that this is one of the reasons people buy AIOs. Maybe also the "general look", that is just different. OEMs like them, because they reduce weight on the socket and thus might reduce damage during transport.
I've really enjoyed this series. I've built several rigs for my friends, and a few times I've run into issues that I've been able to fix thanks to something I've learned in these videos.
Yup… Greg’s the man.
I was worried when I saw that 750w gigabyte PSU. Just kept thinking of the gamers nexus story on them.
Yeah that PC with the Ener-MaxSludge Cooler & Gigabang PSU is a GN Horror Story😱😱😱😱😱
Same, I really dislike the P750GM, as they were known for going BOOM (and potentially taking out GPUs and MBs with it). First thing I'd have done was flung the P750GM out the window and replaced it with a RMX750.
Love the quick checklist of 'initial known details' about the situation in first part of the video.
It's a good addition for the series moving forward.
I am still waiting for the next season of PCDC that hasn't been cleaned in years. Much love man
Nobody cares about cleaning a pc
@@kenny9088 Apparently at least one person does. That said, I much prefer these, too.
@@kenny9088lul your pc probably full of dust that's why you don't care that much of cleaning your rig
@@kenny9088 you woke up and chose violence didn’t you?
@@kenny9088 i care. i want both pcdcs back
Not that I don't love the trouble shooting & problem solving but I must admit the look on Greg's face in the "thats a post!" moment is always my favorite part! @ 10:24 was a good one👍
I have a feeling this one isn't fixed for good, and that he's going to need a new mobo. If he put enough force behind it, he may have created loose solder joints, or there might even be a hairline crack in the board
He got money on views but can't replaced a motherboard for a viewer. Sad to the guy that need a fix to his/her pc. nothing has been resolved on the issue.
You be so harsh because you always want to try fix and not replace and offered to replace it for free if it broke again. You are just so mean to him because he "didn't replace the motherboard.
@@EgoistoYT then he can pay someone to do it this guy did it cause hes nice so what if he made a video off of it its not like he had to pay him to fix his pc at least now its usable he probably only made $1.60-3$ per 1000 views
@@EgoistoYT Except he said that if the viewer has any troubles with it in the future that he will have Gigabyte send him a replacement.
@@ilikegpu he got sponsorship and adds on RUclips. He will gain more than to give a proper motherboard to the viewer.
I would try another cooler first. It may be causing the uneven pressure and would be cheaper than a new board. I have had this happen to me before and I just had to loosen the screws a bit to get it working normally again.
I'd replace the PSU before replacing the cooler, as the PSU is unsafe and needs to go.
One of, if not, the best series out there currently. Keep it up!
I appreciate it!
A build I did last year from all new parts had all kinds of stability issues, even down to the point where I couldn't get it into the BIOS. Ended up rebuilding the entire PC for the customer and figured out that it was uneven mounting pressure that was the issue with the stock AMD cooler. I suspect as the system powered on and the CPU/socket started to heat up, the little bit of expansion due to heat was enough to cause the issues.
Good spot with this one, not obvious at all and so easily missed even with methodical testing approaches. Well done, Greg!
Gigabyte p750 GM (the Claymore PSU), Enermax AIO (it will clog).. that rig will come back soon in the future..
Yeah, probably with a failed everything because the PSU has blown itself to pieces. I wouldn't trust that P750GM if my life depended on it.
You should have a Ryzen APU to test AMD mobos. Ryzen 3 2200G should be the sweet spot as its covers older BIOS-es and it has integrated GPU so you dont need to add one.
Most B550 boards doesn't support older than Zen2 CPUs/APUs so that's a little too old.
I dont think they dropped support for any Ryzen CPUs, only for the athlon ones. And if even thats the case with 1st gen Ryzen, then 3200G should do the trick.
-- I would have added some light pushes to the block with a finger or two to see if the problem resurfaced. Also inspected the other side of the board for potential shorts - riser, bracket, etc - using a different cooler to see if the problem keeps occurring would have been another step.
As it is, I would NOT have returned the system to him. A damaged socket can go on to damaging the CPU and perhaps even the RAM.
Mounting pressure issues are more likely damaged internal traces around the socket which are pulled apart by the board flexing from mounting pressure.
I believe that motherboard was infact the issue - there was a hole in the socket where a resistor should be. Take a look at 5:28
Original complaint was overheating. I'd have tried using a new cooler, perhaps that would have given a more reliable mounting pressure in addition to peace of mind on the state of that AIO.
The aio probably should have been inspected more
and a new power supply given the explosive piece of crap P750GM...
I was going to point out that its likely the mobo or the CPU or a combo of the two. I remember just a year prior to the pandemic lockdown I had upgraded from a 580 XT to a 5700XT and then eventually fell into a trap where I started upgrading almost every part of my PC piece by piece. The last part of my upgrade was the CPU (9900k). Everything was fine till plugged in the 9900k and then the curse started. The PC would keep rebooting itself randomly and there would be a rare few instances where it would work like it should (as long as I didn't reboot the PC). First I thought it was the bios and then for two weeks I systematically started checking every vital parts of the PC only to end having to replace my Asus mobo to a gigabyte pro wifi and am still using the thing without any issues to date. Using it right now to type this.
Oh god... just seeing that PSU... gives me nightmares
750w but which model is it bro
@@shiftto Gigabyte 750GM those used to explode, they seem to have fixed the issue in newer units if I am not wrong
@@SoMiSongbird i got the same info from gamer nexus channel
@@shiftto P750GM which blows up and is known for taking out an entire PC.
I think people sleep on how important bios updates are, especially in ryzen systems, I have learned the hard way especially when mixing older motherboards with newer cpus . Also its amazing how now matter how much you work on pcs you always learn something new (I would have never thought the mounting pressure would be something that is wrong)
Too much mounting pressure on an air cooler will make the board bow around the socket, squeezing the cpu out. I imagine a similar thing happens for an aio. You can just look at the socket and visually determine if any bending or squeezing is happening on the board or on the pcb part of the cpu istelf.
It works slightly differently for intel cpus but the rule of thumb is to only use as much pressure as is needed to get a decently firm hold on the cpu and nothing more.
cannot wait to see you hit a million subs, been here when you had 100k and seeing the growth is insane! you def deserve it with the amount of work you put into your content, much love Greg!
Great job on this repair. Keep up the wonderful work you do in this series :)
0:38 wow.. yugioh cards.. been watching your channel since science studio but just today i realized that you are also a duelist.
This was so fun to watch. I definitely learned something especially with the flashing bios. Cheers!
I love this series, it’s so entertaining. I’m still new to the tech computer world but I’ve got a lot of passion for it since building my own pc. Great video
I like watching this series... currently in the process of diagnosing a PC build myself that I am working on for someone else who doesn't live far from your area.
I will say there is a somewhat distracting interference noise that is being picked up and played back in my headset's right audio channel. Unsure if it is the microphone that is the culprit, the software, or something else.
SEASON 4!!!
I happen to have the exact same motherboard! Funnily enough, the fan issue at 3:10 has been a recurring issue for me... kept making me think my fans or fan hub were dead, not sure what's up with that. I think my AIO is seated improperly too, my 5800x runs way too hot compared what's normal. Anyway, thanks for the constant entertainment Greg!
I knew I watch for good reason, I've never ran into that. I really enjoy bring old or damaged systems back to life.
I think this is the first time I've seen peoples pc repaired for free. That is pretty legit.
Honestly with this kind of problem I would have either swapped the board or gave the owner the option to swap right away. I had a Pentium 4 era board that had an identical problem. It only worked for about 2 months with light heatsink pressure.
That gigabyte PSU is the one that had the exploding problems that GN exposed. Chances are that it will be good as it hasnt failed by now though.
I'd still get it replaced though!
I love the work you do Greg, but I'm not satisfied with this conclusion. That Enermax cooler is possibly clogged as they had issues with LiqTech 1 and some LiqTech 2 coolers that Gamers Nexus covered thoroughly. The exact serial number shoulder be checked to see if it's an affected unit and maybe get replaced for free. Secondly, I'm pretty sure his power supply is the one of the Gigabyte PSUs known to explode that GN also covered, depending on the exact serial number of course. That cooler and PSU should both be swapped out. I wouldn't be surprised if it was forcibly bundled with his GPU.
yeah that PSU is a 750GM - that PC will be back with everything blown up because the PSU wasn't replaced the first time.
If you think about it. Intel CPUs are getting DEFORMED by the socket. And mainboards mught even bend quite far, if you tighten screws too hard.
The AIO Pump was not installed correctly and he might have bend/deformed the IHS or the board to much. And now it is crooked.
Great job Greg 👍. I just finished my new water cooled rig, and after loading coolant.......... Wouldn't pay post. I tried every which way to fix it. This was an Intel 13900K build by the way.
Mine was fixed very similarly to this unit, although i was working if of a brand new motherboard with no damage. I purchased one of those cold plate thermal right mounts. It pushed the cpu down properly, probably more evenly too and............VOILA! Posted no problems after that.
This man was tricked, hoodwinked and bamboozled, and he still fixed it
It would definitely have been a good idea to test a different cooler as well.
As well as a different power unit because the P750GM should be thrown out of the nearest window and into the trash
That is something I have never seen! Good work!
I think the problem is due to the AIO being bad since Gamer's Nexus did an expose on this cooler granted it was a TR4 but still part of the same lineup
Fans for the AIO weren't connected--as soon as they were, temps dropped but still... that's why I don't use AIO's at ALL in my 2nd hand systems. Pump AND fans are three points of failure.
Two points of failure. Next time count with ur fingers and you'll count straight! 😮
Great video Greg , I imagine it would been a pressure issue no matter what cooler you put on there. This was like working on a car engine 1
I really wish people would just give you the whole REAL story! Ive had clients completely dodge the question of "What were you doing exactly when this started?" The investigative work often ends up costing their company a bit more and its kind of frustrating. I also actually really appreciate my clients that flat out say "I was looking at porn" gross but hey that's the truth.
Autographed copy of Blackout. Nice!!! I hung out with those guys. Enjoying your channel!
Haven't watched the video yet but im hoping youll replace the psu or advise the owner to do so, its a gigabyte p750gm aka the explosive one. Edit: i have finally finished the video. I don't blame you for not noticing the psu, you can't possibly remember every deffective parts lol. I just hope that if you see this message you'll reach out to the owner to let him know that he should replace it. Great video, love the series. Keep up the good work.
think i may have found my new fave series on youtube ngl
Oh no. Not the P750GM.
This didn't even occur to me in the vid as I was so focused on the boot issue at hand 😅
Hahaha, nice seeing you here. I knew i wouldn't be the only one to notice it at first glance.
@@GregSalazar I'd have got the PC back off the customer and replaced the PSU for him, with either EVGA Supernova or Corsair RMX. That 750GM has got to go!
thanks for teaching me many things about PCs. everytime i watching your pc videos I learn something new
A few years back I had a freak accident where a bookshelf fell onto my PC (laden with books) and knocked it over with force . Had a tower cooler at the time and the force was enough for it to put a bend in the motherboard where the CPU socket was. I had lots of instability and crashes until I ran the PC on its side with case horizontal with the floor , which then fixed themselves. A few months later replaced the board entirely - the bend meant the CPU socket couldn't properly contact with the board - hence the instability.
original thermal paste provided by The Verge. like icing a cake!
The best part of this build is having the 24pin cable comb on the gpu extension cables and having the gpu cable combs used for the 24pin mb connector ahahahahhaha
you can use thin washers and create a very thin difference in the depth of the screws. you will need to get extra thin washers usually paper.
Love the video....seeing the AIO pressure mounting puts me off working on my own rig as even mounting pressure can kill your pc....Great tips and tricks as always Greg. Love ya work.
It wasn't the mounting pressure, it was ripping it off the cpu in a not so gentle manner.
Don’t hulk smash your rig and you will be fine.
Greg, I love your work but I would have been very suspicious of that Enermax AIO. It may be crud filled and you just dislodged the gunk. Personally, I would have replaced it with something like a $20 THermalright Assassin 120 or if you want to splurge a Scythe Fuma 2. There's a reason why Enermax AIOs are the cheapest.
Greg, can I suggest checking that the board is not shorting, as I had exactly the same issue on a friends board. After I tested out outside the case & with the same cooler, I had no no issues. Different case & nothing else different, everything worked with no issues.
15:27 this requires the Incredibles B&W meme photo
I subscribed a few years ago. It's refreshing to see that you're fixing broken PC's rather than rag on everything. You're an awesome person and technician! :)
yeah I wouldn't feel right sending this back in that state but at the end of the day it was a free service that did narrow it down the issue for the viewer.
I bought a "broken" Asus Z97 Deluxe a few years ago on eBay that had a memory issue, but I googled it beforehand and found out that the memory tracers were prone to breaking due to mounting pressure, but I thought I'd give it a shot anyway because the board was only about €25, and it was a great motherboard at the time.
I had the memory issue initially when booting it up, but like this I adjusted the mounting pressure and never had a problem with it again.
If I did had more issues my plan was to put a little plastic washer on some of the standoff screws under the motherboard, to bend it slightly in the appropriate direction. But luckily I never needed to do this.
Greg great video as always
Nice find on this one. Crazy how the mounting pressure caused it but the good news is no extra $$$ was wasted for new components.
I'm also hearing a buzzing sound in this video, only noticeable if you turn up the volume.
First thing I do is click like, because you're worth it. Keep up the amazing work, Sir. :)
According to Asus Rog QVL for that MOBO the 5900x was valid since 1004 bios ver. Always good to check the QVL if there is any doubt.
I've learned some from this Fix or flop series how to rewire some wire to hide love the content btw didn't got any problem in my newly build because of this vid
I just had to comment on the cable combs i ordered a few kits and then modified the length of the longest ones to the total width of the graphics card cables. It looks amazing and clean :D highly recommend that
I loved that look of total surprise on your face.
i love the buzzing, thank you
hey Greg great video, just thought I should let you know. There seems to be either a buzz or a whine coming through on your mic. It could be interference or background noise I'm not too sure. Its very subtle and hard to notice but thought I should let you know nonetheless.
good stuff, love this series, cant wait for the next one. Thanks Greg.
5:50 your setup looks amazing ngl
that bulid are so clean :D Really nice video bro
Hey, nice video! Around the 1:20 mark that camera angle really had me feeling like my neck was breaking lol probably just me but otherwise great video 😁
YESSSS FIX OR FLOOOOP IS BACKKK, LETS GOOO!
Nice vid greg, cheers from brazil!
I had an overheating issue with a 3600x a few years ago. After updating the bios it fixed the issue. It was something that I didn't really believe would help but it did.
I am just starting the video but I had to comment because I bought that same AIO (if it's the 240 one) for the pc I built a year ago (April 2022). I got it for a 10100F (it was on discount and before I knew it was overkill for the processor... which actually helped me diagnose the issue in the end) I also started getting high temps at about the end of April after reinstalling windows and adding a 2 TB NVME for my games. I'm talking close to 90C while playing RE4 Remake (it was more like close to 50C before I installed the NVME). I reapplied the thermal paste and was sill getting high temps so in the end I chose to be thorough.
I ended up spending 5 dollars on some Arctic MX4 and just getting a Vetroo V5 air cooler and that ended up fixing my issue. I just chose to remove the complication of the AIO in the end. I might be upgrading to an 11400f (so I can actually use both of my NVME slots on my mobo) so I am glad to know that the V5 will cool that just as well. I just thought it was a bit ironic that this is the first video I am seeing with that Enermax AIO in a build. While it worked out for most of the year surprisingly enough the V5 air seems to cool better than the Enermax AIO ever did. I am glad that the AIO wasn't the issue, at least with cooling.
I dig your Big Sur wallpaper backgrounds ;)
Bring me the horizon on the wall. Nice!
Nice find, really enjoyed this episode!
AIO churn was picked up by mic! New sound system is great! 2:14
"Don't do this during a thunderstorm," so if you're in Florida, that's anytime between May and October. There's your weather PSA, for new residents to our state...
I will give you a little warning if anyone is buying from Corsair pre-builts or kits. Corsair locks the motherboard BIOS. I bought a Corsair Vengeance pre-built last October and the BIOS was over a year old. I wanted to upgrade the processor but with the BIOS locked the system wouldn't post. Corsair support said no to a BIOS update. To me that was ridiculous as the BIOS is so important to have access to as we just saw in this episode of your video.
Greg you work magic
Intersting did you look to see if it was shorting on the backside of the motherboard? If's truly from a warp you should be abel to find the spot where it's shorting and correct it. I would love to get my hands on that motherboard.
That power supply looks to be a P750GM, by Gigabyte. First thing I would do is get that straight out of the system, thrown out of the nearest window, and have it replaced with a Corsair RMx series PSU. Even if it's nothing to do with the issue, the 750GM's were known for exploding and taking out other components like MB's and GPUs, so IMO, it has got to go!
13:03 It appears to me that the upper tab above his thumb seems bent down lower than the others which would create uneven pressure on the CPU. But the others seem bent too actually.
If it's using a plastic backp!ate for mounting cooler then it's possibly bending the first ram DIMM slot enough to cause no post. Using a solid insulated metal backplate will limit warping of socket and DIMM slot, as it's really close to DIMM SLOTS to maybe do this s
I have seen a couple of these fixing videos. A common theme seems to be that most of these computers are AMD CPU related
wow what a weird issue, never seen that one before. lucky guy u found it, very nice u could rule out CPU failure, that had sucked!
Sadly a bit over a year ago, I had 3 computers (I3, I5, and I7) that I had salvaged from recycling and they were working, I had used them for a small home system network, there was a local area fire, that when the fire department went to put out, they had to cut the power to the city area (Old building burning with hot/live power lines still from the air poles not underground) During that cycle, I think they had a transformer or something blow, because there was a massive power surge in this area of town which fried my power bars, and all 3 computers, killed all 3 cpu. But, it didn't kill them instantly, it was an odd trickle down where something on each system fried, they started to show over heating, I did everything to fix them and stabilize them, the I3 failed, the next day the I7 failed, then a few weeks later the I5 failed. I still have yet to figure out definitely what killed them. Motherboard flex does occur, I don't know if you pulled their motherboard out, it can be something as simple as a bit of dust behind the motherboard short line and flexing, systems do, over time often have a 'physical' position they like.. That is caused by heating/cooling and the flex of the silicone expansion/contraction, while over the years they have gotten much better at not doing that, it still does happen.
Am surprised it wasn’t that bombshell 750w gigabyte psu that went bad.😅
Been there before, over tightened my AIO bracket by literally half a turn on 2 screws. It would not boot, just go full fan speed with no post and stayed that way. I did everything from CMOS to swapping components. It wasn't until i tried to start the pc without the cooler installed that it posted, 5 hours later. Hopefully he didn't crack anything in the board, im pretty sure i did as it started having random connection drop outs on usb ports, audio.
few years back my brother upgraded his pc, I gave few parts that I had, including the cpu which was R5 1600, he got msi's b450 a pro max, and for somereason it didn't boot with the 1600, it did boot with my 3600, the fix was to reflash the bios version it already had. point is that computers and bios are weird and don't make sense sometimes
Great video, enjoyed as always. 4 sets of ads is too much Greg. Know you are building a new crib, but dayum.
I usually just watch and don't comment but...
The mounting hardware that's beeing used does not appear to be the correct one for that cooler.
Enermax mounting on AMD uses the original AMD backplate with 4 stand offs like the ones used on Asetek based coolers like NZXT Krakens, Asus LCs, EVGA CLCs, etc.
He's using some weird backplate there with the 4 stand offs Enermax bundles in the box for mounting in Intel Boards.
Very strange.
But I might be wrong
Digging the cable comb trick.
Does anyone else hear a low humming coming from the video? I thought it was my headset, but I tested it on many videos and this one is the only one that made that noise.
Everytime I consider a laptop builds like this bring me back to raw power.
One of the requirements for purchasing any modern mobo is some form of bios flashback. Some more are clrcmos, 9-10 usb ports, and onboard hdmi 2.1, dp 2.1 port. Just in case. Maybe one day mobos can use all 8 sata ports with nvme without sacrificing bandwidth and sata ports. Another thing I've learned is too always wipe off the thermal paste that comes default on amd wraith spire heatsink for a ryzen 1700. After ripping the cpu out of the socket last time. I don't trust it. Scared the hell out of me. I just wipe the thermal paste off the heatsink and just use my own. Had to use a hairdryer to semi slide the cpu off the heatsink. Not a fun experience.
Maybe those high temps damaged the socket in some way too and when he removed the cooler it released the pressure on the board and developed small cracks around the socket that won't make contact anymore unless some amount of pressure is put on it again
Was it just me or is there an "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" sound going in the background for the whole video?
Aside from that, love the series and watch every episode! Keep em coming, I'm learning a lot!