Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S3:E18
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Welcome to Fix or Flop! We're up to Season 3, Episode 18. This viewer's gaming PC doesn't power on! Never a good issue to have! Can we fix this close call with disaster? By the way, if you live in the Orlando, FL area and have an issue with your PC, apply to have it (possibly) fixed for free today! gregsalazar.co...
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Thank you for fixing my buddy’s PC! I personally know the owner of this rig. We been friends for about 12 years now.
Please ask your buddy to not use different cables from different power supplies!
Tell him to flip his aio around and also the fans at the front too, there's no intake, only all exhaust fans.
@@wallychambe1587 see, this is my fault for going through the comments about 34 seconds into the video, i just can't help myself LOL
@@UlrichLeland I came here to suggest the same thing. Odd that Greg wouldn’t have changed at least one fan to intake as all are exhaust.
Make sure that they flip the front fans since they are set for intake and not exhaust. Greg forgot to swap them.
I noticed that the builder was using a thermaltake cable with a corsair PSU. Really important to not mix and match cables
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!🤩🤩🤩🤩
Noticed that immediately, any corsair unit from that generation of power supplies uses all black cables so I think it could have been the wrong pinout or something. But after I heard it was RMAd once it makes sense to replace it for a nicer unit anyway. Having better efficiency and less ripple is great for stability and overclocks too.
Good catch
Apparently, you’re not even supposed to mix cables from the same psu manufacturer. I like standard black cables, and I keep all of my boxes and extras until I sell or junk a part, so I can’t say I’ve confirmed this.
@@Bunta1987qwerty I've confirmed this by killing some of my parts before haha. I used a sata power cable from one evga psu on a different evga unit, and it killed my ssd. Fun
The best part of the Fix or Flop series is the fact that there is no annoying music. Thank you Greg for that and please keep it that way :)
Those red ends on the PCIe cables were an instant red flag to me.
I have the same PSU tester and when a computer doesn't power on I test it first. So much easier to rule it out.
Same. Wrong cables would be my best bet.
Yep. Those cables are From a PowerSpec 750w unit if Im correct. Which means the viewer made an oopsie, not once, but twice it sounds like since they said they RMA'd the previous unit.
@@deadly_mir lucky they didn't actually cause damage. It would feel so terrible to blow a new gpu with the wrong cables by mistake.
A 100% this! Those red ends on the cables are not from a corsair PSU. That guy is lucky he didn't fry his card, I swapped cables like that and cooked my 980ti.
is it available on amazon?
Corsair PCIe leads are typically black so I'd bet they're donor cables from a different manufacturer.
As soon as I saw it was a Corsair PSU I knew what the problem was... they definitely mixed cables from another power supply. He's lucky it didn't kill something. Had to fix a system not to long ago where their uncle built them a system and did that. Ended up killing a nice SSD. The PSU is probably fine, just check the pinout for the cables. I'll bet money that they're wrong. But like you said, an older CX750m isn't really worth anything.
yeah that red reminds me of the old EVGA cables
And this is why non modular PSUs are good for those who aren’t really sure what they are doing.
@@Th3Fly1ngCow they're actually from a PowerSpec 750w unit it seems, at least from the research I done
Pretty much the only repair series I watch now. Thanks Greg!!
Thanks for the support!
@@silverwerewolf975 Type computer repair into RUclips lots and lots of jelly tots
@@silverwerewolf975 Same question here.
I believe those pcie cables are thermaltake cables, not corsair. I don't think corsair uses red on their cables but I could be wrong.
I don't remember corsair ever having red connectors on any of their cables. I bet it's the completely wrong cables. It's also a red flag that the cpu power connector is sleeved but the pcie power connector isn't.
Excellent work once again Greg. You might be bang on about the cable set being incorrect, I don't think any CORSAIR PSU comes with cables that have red connectors.
I feel the same, Thermaltake power supplies typically use red pci-e connectors.
Was going to reply with the same, and I know Tt and Corsair use different pinouts, plus Tt sometimes uses capacitors in the cables.
You're probably right about using the wrong brand pcie connectors.
Yeah right from the time Greg showed the PSU that was a Red flag for me, plus they are solid 8pin plugs not 6+2pin like every Corsair PSU I have ever seen has.
I do not think so either. Bought several Corsair PSU's in the past couple years, one is that exact model to, and I did not get cables like that.
Yes they dont
I really love the fact that I'm getting better and better at diagnosing the problem myself, thanks to Fix or Flop! I suspected the PSU pretty much from the beginning. Either that it doesn't have enough power to support the card or is downright broken.
It's seriously extremely fun to watch these videos, because I learned and still learn so much about how to recognize problems and how to tackle them. So, thank you so much for this series!
That red connector PCIE 8 pin cable was either an aftermarket cable or it didn't belong with the Corsair CX750M PSU. Corsair doesn't have red connectors for their units.
The original PSU was plenty of power. Those cables are the likeliest culprit in my experience. Probably for a different PSU with a different pinout. Lucky it didn't fry the PSU, the GPU, and everything else... Don't mix cables and PSUs from different manufactures. (Cable Mod, etc, are Really clear about buying modded cables for the correct PSU, because the pinout really Really matters.)
@@spankbuda5760 this is the correct answer. I knew immediately that wasn't a Corsair cable.
@@matbailie3816 Actually that Corsair CX750M 80+ Bronze PSU that only have (1) 6 +2 PCIE connection for the CPU and (1) PCIE connection for the GPU is not a compatible PSU for the 220W EVGA 3070 XC3 that have (2) 8 pin connections. Sufficient PSU wattage but wrong PSU model. This is why they were using another PSU manufacturers single dual PCIE 8 pin cable.
@@spankbuda5760 Wasn't it a 3070?
I love how Greg says " its not my best work " and his cable management still looks 10 times better than my best
I’m a console player, a Mac user, and haven’t built a PC since I was a kid, but for some reason I am hooked on this series. Great channel Greg.
I built my first PC in 2021, it’s been running smoothly ever since, and it’s fast! 10600k and a 3070 OC. It was a fun project, black and white build 👍
@@brando3342 that’s great man. I’d love to do a build, but just have no reason for it.
@@awturbosp That’s fair. I built mine just for a hobby. I do work from home on my PC, but it’s remote from another machine, so technically I could do my work on a potato, because it’s really the PC at the office that’s doing the heavy lifting haha.
I use the power of mine mostly for games.
Brando I to built my first PC in 2021, Jan to be exact, it had a Ryzen 5 2600, 16gb ddr4 3200mhz ram and a GTX 1650, however I upgraded since and now I have a Ryzen 5 5600g, 32gb ddr4 3600mhz ram and a 3070ti FE. The difference it made from my old rig is ridiculous and I absolutely love it!
Good job, the psu tester really did it's thing. The only thing that bothers me is that the front fans are set to exhaust, instead of intake :D
I was ever so slight annoyed you would leave the AIO in there knowing it was on the way out but bam you also sorted that too, amazing!
It'd probably work fine when mounted on the top of the case, if that was possible. Unfortunate that the case doesn't allow for that
nothing changed though at my side, you plans are
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 what
Did you even watch the video? Corsair is replacing it for them for free.
@@paulmeyer1001 Did you read the whole comment?
one of the best series on youtube 😎
Much appreciated!
@@GregSalazar you missed front fans, are exhausting, all fans in the case are exhausting (if im not wrong) and that is a problem no air will be moving int.
Wow, I looked at the price of your PSU tester, If I had a full time shop I would consider it but at $590.00 it is too steep for me! 😁😁
I can get the same measurements from a $200 oscilloscope and have that useful for many other things as well.
@@jeffreyparker9396 I was going through my outside shed an found my old tektronix portable oscilloscope from the 1970's. In the shed since 2003. It was one of the first battery powered solid state scope with a tube display. I wonder what it is worth? It probably need all recapping!😲 Too old (75) to start on a project like that!
@@wallychambe1587 wow, it actually might be worth quite a bit, there are people who collect the old ones like that. I don't, I actually just got a new one for some power supply testing.
@@jeffreyparker9396 I just looked it up and it came out in 1964. I got it used in the 70's Looked on Ebay, asking $120 for parts. I think a capacitor popped in it and blew the fuse so I would sell it for parts if some one wanted to restore it.
Great One Greg!
I believe the cables are from a PowerSpec PSU.
I personally have a 650watt unit from the same brand, that came with identical cables.
Thank you for all the great content my man. ☺
I instantly looked at them and thought they were the issue, I've never once come across a Corsair power supply with red PSIe connectors, and I've installed quite afew of those CX models.
Good stuff Greg! Reaching out to Corsair and them taking care to owner is super awesome!
Greg is basically all of us when trying to diagnose and fix these rigs.
Great content as usual
As soon as i saw the red pcie wires with the corsair psu, i knew there was some mix match stuff... Always use provided psu cables!!
Thanks Greg, I had a similar problem with a different brand PSU , it worked all day with an RX580 but when I switched to an RX5700XT it would crash out due to the PCI rail OCP despite being perfectly suited to the application. They replaced it under warranty with a better unit . the cables on that Corsair dont look very Corsair to me but I havent used a CX series PSU in quite a while
A dead card usually will let the system power on but won't show a image, sounded rather like a short or power supply rail failure. I would have tested the power supply first (that's usually what I do when I see lights but no power on (stand-by 5v but no 12v once power button is pushed). Great having a power supply always ready for fast cable swapping and checking if you are a PC technician
That’s a nice looking build! You keep saying "It's not my best work" If you saw my cable mismanagement, you wouldn't care that it's not your best work. :-)
Those PCIE cables are Thermaltake... I can recognise them since I have the exact same ones and they probably shouldn't be used with other manufacturer's PSU unit...
the nice thing about the fix or flop is that i think that the problem is something i've seen before until it turns out into something that I didn't give much little thought about
My thoughts immediately went to power supply when the led's lit up but nothing else since they're on different rails. Good catch.
I used to hobby build PCs for myself, and for friends until I learned my lesson. I kind of gave it up in 03 and got, I guess tech-shock when I decided to build one about nine years ago to clear my head after my dad died, I'm completely self tought and still at the "thingy fit's in the doodad" stage. The tech difference pre and post millennium is jarring, and scared me off building again, I felt like Scotty in the TNG Enterprise. Anyhow I decided to give it another try since my pre-build gaming laptops just aren't cutting it anymore, I plan to build a gaming system I can just stream to any point in my home network because I just like the convenience of a laptop without it sounding like a 80 year old asthmatic geezer. In a nutshell, I found your channel and been chomping through your past content, and videos like this really help me out on what the heck is happening, so thank you **tips hat**
Hi Greg, all of his fans were exhausting air, I believe it would have been beneficial if top and bottom should have been intakes, great video.
I noticed that too!
15:10 (For The Owner) when your fans are oriented in this fashion, the dust builds quickly. With all of your fans set to exhaust, it’s pulling air in from areas that may not have dust filters. With this H500/510 case, optimal airflow is from front to back. Being you are using an AIO, the top exhaust fan isn’t really necessary. Clean build overall 🫶🏾
I was yelling power supply at my phone when watching this and felt like I just beat Smough and Ornstein with 1 hp the entire battle when you diagnosed the issue finally.
However, I am often doing things like that and am wrong about it so. I’ll just say great video, Greg, and I’ll shut the hell up.
Thank you so much for your great simple to understand videos. My Grandkids swear I am older than a dinosaur and use a laptop almost as old and slow, but gradually I am getting an idea what I would really like to have in a desktop that would actually last several years and not get error codes system doesn't meet minimum requirements to upgrade.
I've seen a PSU fault like that a few times before when an aging PSU couldn't take the load. Lower load = everything fine, normal load = it either doesn't power on or crashes as soon as there's an increase in power consumption. Stores usually wouldn't accept warranty claims on those.
Nice catch. That system looks so much better now.
Dude, for you to contact Corsair, and include it in your video was above and beyond anything you really had to do. I imagine they would be much more willing to quickly replace the viewers AIO due to the exposure of your content. If it was left to him, he may not ever have gotten a new one.
Love your content by the way 👌
Having built over 400 computers, as soon as I saw the red end of that PCI-e power cable, I thought "that's the wrong cable". That is likely from an EVGA, or Antec psu.
There's nothing wrong with the Corsair PSU, except using the wrong PCI-e power cable. Greg should finish the testing by getting the correct PCI-e power cable and verifying the psu is good.
Recently had the same problem where my pc wouldn’t work when my card was on it and would work with my igpu. This saved my life .
Hey Greg really love watching these fix or flop videos, basically a nightly routine to watch some episodes! Been a fan for a few years to.
It's interesting that you either didn't notice or didn't mention that all four of the case fans are in an exhaust orientation;
definitely not good in any case (pun intended), but especially in that one.
Nice job Greg. I have that same Corsair CX750M and the cables do not have red connectors and the lengths are nylon tubed.
Those cables are not the standard cables that come with the psu, i also had this issue when i tried using older cables on a newer psu and nothing worked properly also. As always nice video and love seeing how you help others all while helping yourself. Some of my fav videos are yours.
That guys cables i wanna hire him lol
my first thought at 8mins in when the card powered on was, its gotta be the PCI slot on the customers motherboard. It's very rare in my experience but it does happen
those look like thermaltake psu cables. I also hope he flips the front fans to intake
Thank you Greg, i was a total computer noob about a year ago, now i am pretty much a backyard pc mechanic.
Wow! Really brave to cable-manage BEFORE you tried it! Great work.
Thanks Greg. I built a rig last month from spare parts and a new MB. It has behaved similarly. Every component seems to function, and allowed me to install Windows and backup some old HDs. However I still experience power on issues. The power supply is 11 years old, so I will buy a replacement.
Lol his aio backplate was on backwards as well. You can see the tapered part of the screw that's supposed to go through the board is sticking out backward when you look at the back of the board 🤦♂️
I have the older version of that case. I got it several years ago from Cyberpower ( during one of the years I was too lazy to build my own system because I built so many for friends) Anyway the one i have is still one of my favorite cases. It has the stock green underglow and the Razer logo on the front lights up too along with a razer logo on the PSU shroud down below . Mine is a bit bigger than that one as it has the large Hard drive cage for multiple hard drives at the front, and because of that it limits the size of the GPU I can use. Been thinking about turning it into maybe a server rig for crafting/survival games for my friends, and subs to play on with me. Anyway great video Greg!
These flip or flop videos have helped me grow my computer technician skills immensely! Without your videos, I wouldn’t have known how to check issues I’ve had with installing new parts and what/how I should test when I get an error!
I built a $2800 i7 13th gen 4070ti build that looks SSSWWWWEEEEEEET (as you say it), and I attribute it to your teachings.
P.S. I used SCDKEY to upgrade to windows 11 for 2+ OEM keys for my two rigs and a few other friends’ rigs!
I'd have flipped that cpu block down, that pump's starvin'.
It’s not the highest part of the loop so air won’t make its way in
i only watch gregs video when i get that pc related content craving.. Greg is the best after all
The red on those PCI-e cables makes me think they're from a Thermaltake PSU, could be why the issue is only when they're in use.
@@keithc2390 yeah , never saw corsair psu has those red connector
The second I saw those red cables on all black system, I was immediately suspicious. Did the owner say if the cables are original? I highly doubt it.
I said at the beginning "power supply". My thought was, it was bad because it couldn't deliver enough current to run a GPU, which is the largest current draw in the system, but could still run the PC without the GPU.
If the replaced PSU is modular/semi-modular,i'll go for a not standard wires connector.
A VERY easy way to check is with the voltage meter.
When I first got into building PCs I always thought modular PSU cables were a standard because the ATX power supply was an actua standard. Thankfully I watched enough videos to learn that it’s very much not the case
I've never seen a Corsair PSU with red plugs. AFAIK, I've only seen them on Thermaltake. But, the only PSU I've ever had to RMA was a CX750.
You are right!
First few minutes had me as a motherboard issue. Usually in these kinda issues, the board would still light up and do stuff, even when something else, minus the PSU, is dead, but the fact the motherboard was dead silent is what pushed me in that direction
I must say though, this was definitely a unique situation
I had a similar issue with a 600 watt EVGA. I installed a VR headset and then the system shut down. I thought the issue with the VR headset software because the system shut down when placed under load. Because I thought it was a software issue I did a complete windows reinstall but the system was still shutting down when placed under any kind of load other than browsing the web. Installed a different PSU and magically all my issues disappeared, and I can even run VR now.
My headache troubleshooting episode was a PC that would randomly shut off and reboot. Sometimes it would do it during POST and other times it would run fine. And then times would shut down at random times. I swapped out the power supply. And graphics card and ram. So the only thing left was the motherboard and CPU I did not have any spares to test. So I used the opportunity to just do an upgrade. Got new MB, RAM and it did the exact same thing. It turned out to be a faulty power button on the case. So I just wired the reset button to the power button.
I feel like too many zip ties at certain points could put too much stress on those cables as well.
Nice detective work, well done. I'm actually surprised it was the PSU---Corsair's are pretty good stuff
it's 100% the cable, you shouldn't even have tried turning it on when you saw that red 8pin cable
Captain Greg at the rescue. Love you're videos
If I recall, the red capped PCIe cables is a Thermaltake thing.
That EVGA card I could almost bet from the beginning that wasn't the problem, those EVGA cards a bullet proof, I bought so many of them!
The red cable are odd for a corsair PSU. I suspect they weren't in spec
ive owned a couple corsair psu's and a cx650 and ive never seen a red pcie cable like this , I'm thinking those were the wrong cables for the psu unit
I've noticed with some GPUs that the "sag" in question is actually a slight twist in the card itself. I have a 3070 and the PCB isn't at a direct 90° angle to the bracket in the back. Bending it into place is _NOT_ an option.
oh yes its Fix or Flow time again really enjoying the series keep them coming
The cables used from the psu look like there from a thermaltake psu and they are plugged into a corsair unit, glad to see no hardware was harmed but damn.
What’s funny is I swapped out the cooler master psu in my omen for a Corsair 1000w psu and there’s less cable mess due to the main cable on the Corsair unit being contained by a braided sleeving for the main cables anything else is separate it’s also modular so cables I don’t need like molex can be removed from the unit if it’s not needed so it doesn’t take up much space.
exactly the same issue i had, have not watched why in the video yet but my issue was a faulty Crucial SSD...the ssd also didnt work in an dock.
You just got to love those fully modular PSUs when you only have to use the cables needed and store away the rest and modern cases make cable management so simply clean and easy. The rule of thumb is never to mix PSU/cable brands, I stick to Seasonic, all my PSUs are either their Prime or GX range depends on whats in stock and prices.
Those cables do NOT go into a Corsair PSU. That was a big red flag for me right away. Luckily, it only blew a rail on the PSU by the looks of it rather than the GPU or entire system.
As an enthuisiast in the PC world who is too broke to do this type of stuff, I love this series.
The Creature from Jekyll Island is dying. After that hopefully you won't be in a financial bind anymore.
Had pretty much the same happen to my old rig. It was a RM850, about 9-10 years old (yellow label, not the newer white design). Poor little fella, did me proud all those years o7
This is one of the few series I click like on before I even watch it as I know it will be that good.
Very similar issues to what I've been experiencing. I don't know enough to fix it myself but I guessed the PSU initially just like in the video but the RGB still lit up and so I moved to the GFX card. I didn't have a 2nd rig to independently test the card. I just dropped it off to Best buy for the geek squad to test it for me since I suspected the GFX card was the issue. MY card is a 3080Ti founder edition thou. I'll update this when I get it back to see if it was a PSU wiring issue like this one here. Great work and you've gained a new fan/Sub!
Old Enermax cables on a corsair PSU? Saw it the second he opened the case. XD
Looks like a PowerSpec brand PCIe cable.
It's hard to tell if it's the problem from the video, but the way that AIO is mounted may be causing that sound issue. Gamer's Nexus did an awesome video on AIO Mounting Orientation and how that can impact performance / sound of the unit. Definitely worth checking out, as this AIO may be salvageable. Either way, good on Corsair sending a replacement.
I see what your talking about, if the air is trapped on the intake side of the tubing it cold never bleed out with that layout.
Tieing the tubing to the chassis ceiling only makes that worse. No part of the flow should be higher than the highest part of the radiator.
Soon as you recapped the start of the issue and how the GPU was upgraded but not the PSU I expected it to be the issue. I do not think they were using the proper cables for that PSU. As you'd said, not all pinouts are the same. Very lucky they did not end up damaging their card or other parts doing that.
That rig is very similar to mine _(though I am upgrading platform very soon),_ z390 Aorus Ultra mobo, i9 9900k, Corsair H100i Pro, EVGA 3070 XC3 Ultra. I have a Corsair CS750M PSU and it died a few years ago, luckily it was within warranty when it went, and Corsair sent me a new one that appeared to be a brand new units and it hasn't given me a single issue since.
Great video again Greg and thanks for the great lessons, and it was totally a close call
Those GPU power cables didn't come with that power supply which caused me to immediately suspect those were the problem. I think the power supply test results clearly support this suspicion.
On my previous rig I had the very same power supply and it died after 6 months. I didn’t bother to get a replacement with Corsair warranty. I upgraded it for an EVGA supernova instead. But again. No corsair psu has red connectors.
A little while ago my second pc was initially rebooting before booting, a couple days later it stopped turning on completely, as this PC is at my partner's place I had nothing available to test things on, initially thought maybe the psu had died, or the motherboard/cpu, nope, these didn't die, the actual problem still baffles me, the fix? Replacing the cmos battery.....
Yup, that tiny silly battery for the time and remembering bios settings stopped the pc from turning on completely, I would have never thought that was possible, who thinks that a dead small battery can stop a PC from turning on? Totally unexpected, a nice easy and cheap fix regardless.
Another good video. So glad I started watching this series. Was helping a friend do basically a complete rig overhaul and ran into some issues. At one point it wouldn't even turn on. I remembered to try clearing the CMOS and that at least got it running again. Still can't figure out why it won't post with XMP enabled, though.
Fantastic Troubleshooting!
Those cables are not the original cables from Corsair IMO, Corsair cables have always been all black AFAIK.
My guy using thermaltake power supply PCIe cables on the Corsair power supply. That's why it's making that issue as it shown in the beginning of the video.
Thanks to you I noticed a lot of RUclipsrs doing the same videos where they attempt to fix viewers PCs 😁
Gotta be those pci-e cables for sure Corsair do not use those red plugs on any modern PSU that I have seen!
Nope, had quite a few Corsair PSUs and they have never been red.
Nothing worse than expecting/wanting/needing to sneeze and it doesn't happen!
Good work Greg , From a practicality stand point ,it was good that it was the power supply and not the video card. Let us said ,that is never the video card unless it is the video card!
at 11:17 you said corsair psu, as soon as you said that i knew it is the wrong cables and i've NEVER seen red pci-e connectors from corsair far as i can remember
As soon as you turned it on or tried to and only the ram sticks light up. I knew it was the power supply. I had a brand new one die after 3 months. It did the exact same thing.
You can play with the pump speed in the icue software to make that click go away hopefully. But man does that pump and radiator fan orientation get my ocd going. Sideways Corsair logo and full negative pressure fan config. But then again a new cooler is nice to have. Please tell the owner to use the correct pump and fan orientation. Not that ill ever see this rig again after this video but still.