Fixing a Viewer's BROKEN Gaming PC? - Fix or Flop S5:E7
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Welcome to Fix or Flop! We're up to Season 5, Episode 7. This viewer's gaming PC is broken! Can it be fixed? By the way, if you live in the Orlando, FL area and have an issue with your PC, apply to have it (possibly) fixed for free today! gregsalazar.co...
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Big ups to Be Quiet! for being so accommodating to content creators. I had no idea their marketing was as friendly, versatile, and unobtrusive as their products.
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Have a be quiet psu and is working very well. Going to stay with them for now. Seasonic is off my list of recommended.
I too have several BeQuiet PSU's (and a few BeQuiet aircoolers too). They seem to be good.
I have two Corsair PSU's and they both "buzz" continously. It's supposed to be normal, I read, but I don't like it. No more Corsair for me.
@@ibizenco I had to RMA two Corsair units because they had terrible coil whine as soon as my GPU was loaded up. Thought it might be the GPU but swapping to an old EVGA PSU from another system had no issues. Ended up just getting a refund and buying a seasonic which worked perfectly.
That was my first and last time buying a corsair psu, which is a shame as they are usually well reviewed and this wasn't a low end unit either.
@@ibizenco 2 corsair psu here , never had a problem with them
I got a bunch of old components from my cousin last year and decided to try out them together. I discovered your channel and went down your fix or flop series for weeks and finally had the courage to put it together.
It’s got an old 6th gen i5 and an rx580, I ran into crashes when I put load on the GPU. Found your GPU deep clean video and turns out it was old paste and a dirty heat sink causing thermal throttle.
Your channel is a godsend and has made me a pc nerd. It has been and still is a pleasure to learn with you all the way from South Africa🙏🏻
Apparently very recently, EVGA changed the pin-outs on their power supplies, on the same models. And if you use the cables from before the pin-outs changed (which there is ZERO indication of), it will send 12V to the 3V lines and fry things. The fact that the cables are not keyed to make this impossible is mind boggling. The connectors on the PSU end on modular power supplies are NOT standardized in any way.
That company seems to like shooting itself in the foot lately.
@@readycheddarThey didn't shoot themselves in the foot, they dodged a huge bullet not dealing with that HiPwr nonsense Nvidia was dishing out. They (As do all PSU companies) Specifically state to never use cables from another unit or brand to prevent these issues, if you do so then it's on you no one else, welcome to accountability.
Thanks for the heads up! This is definitely the kind of rookie mistake I would do if I ever had to replace my PSU. "Modular power supplies are so easy to install, I just have to replace the brick without replacing the cables!" would be the last thing my CPU hears before I blast it to the great beyond.
It's good to be reminded that "modular" does not mean "universal."
@@animalyze7120 Rossman did a vid on this the other day and it def is EVGA's issue here. Initially kicked off from someone discussing their RMA process. If you do an RMA, they specifically tell you not to send back the cables, but when they ship you the new unit, they dont include new ones or any sort of instructions to let the user know the old cables are not compatible.
So the user that got the new unit just assumed the old cables would work with the new unit since it was listed as the same model number and this ended up frying their drives. Was only after they called up EVGA again that the support guy on the other end told them that the pinouts got changed at some point in the product lifecycle.
Never understood people who buy these random PSU's with a brand label on it, when you could just buy a proper PSU from an actual OEM, like SeaSonic.
The ghost in Greg's house was kind enough not to turn off The Power strip this time.
This is a milestone for sure!
i have a feeling it was a new ghost that is more power strip friendly
He stayed at the old house!
😂😂😂
@@GregSalazar Hello I’m trying to get in touch with you because I recently got my pc taken I get back i found my old Gtx pny gtx970 so I put it in my and I realized it uses mini hdmi so I took it out and put my rx580 back in and now I’m not getting any display everything powers up i don’t what to do so I came to you as my last resort
Hello fellow pc builders and fixers
Sup
That honesty about ad placement is honestly a breath of fresh air thank you! And I appreciate the fact you didn’t cut the misplaced ram stick issue out as some do. Another great upload 👍
In one of my first builds, I put the RAM in then put the tower right-side up - all the RAM fell out because I was so worried about pushing too hard and breaking something. Honestly one of the strangest things to learn was that building a PC requires more force than you think!
I did the same with my first build
same! when I built mine I was so scared of putting even the tiniest amount of force on the parts because i thought they were super fragile (and obviously very expensive)😅
Especially with DDR5. I have friends that are experienced builders who were like really that hard and it's supposed to. Make that noise!
A lightning strike could account for multiple hardware failure. Especially if not on a surge protector. Ask me how I know 😮.
i've built a ton of pc's, for flipping, and honestly, the ram force varies from motherboard to motherboard (i've dealt with new and used motherboards, mostly used though)
some motherboards were "smooth" for installing ram in, and some felt like i would break the ram or the slot accidentally in order to slot it in 😅
Thanks for always being honest and upfront with sponsorships. FixOrFlop is always a good watch!
Been binging this series past few days 💪
Thanks so much for the support!
Binge watching Season 5 here, this weekend. 😊
1:18 hence why this channel and this series exist! To teach the folks who does not know and want to learn how to troubleshoot your rig and find the cause. I am one of those people and boy I did learn a bunch since starting from season 2 of FoF Looking forward to sticking around here till the end of time! Keep it up guys!
After watching a Louis Rossman video about EVGA power supplies, seeing an EVGA power supply be the issue is...concerning.
The issue was definitely the power supply though.
Also at 14:15 - Fan 1 on the left hand side looks only half-way inserted into the connector on the PCB. I don't think that would change anything, but I did notice it.
Great job as always!
Great fix. It's worth emphasising that a faulty PSU can destroy any or all of the PC's components save the case.
15:35 Blurring the pump screen makes me curious what's showing and why the viewers can't see it 🤫🤔😊
Yup I wonder what it is too.
I've seen enough PC repair videos to know it's most likely a picture of how to apply thermal paste.
You can see part of it at 17:07. It appears to be an anime girl, so I'm assuming there is too much showing.
That, or Greg just has no culture. 😆
@@Michael_mki233 Ah, I see Matthew is a man of culture as well. (Matthew is the owner of the PC)
@@zerozeroone001yea I’ve had my fair share of anime lmao
Try the LED switches on the frontpanel, they might just turn on
Yes I think that is why the RGB's aren't turnin on in the front. ;)
I hope everyone finds this series, Thank you for going though everything every time. it really matters to people learning.
The mismatched RGB on the DRAM drove me nuts.
The 's' in 5Vs at 05:50 stands for stand-by. The motherboard requires the 5V standby to work in order to detect the power button being pressed.
Did you watch the video?
I was set on the cpu being the problem, good to see that it was only psu and ram that was a need of replacment.
Always learn something from these videos :)
Looking forward to the next video :D
So I've never used an EVGA PSU. But I feel Like PSUs are the one part where people end up "saving" money where I definitely would not skimp. A failed PSU can basically kill everything else.
Everyone was fully socked during the making of this video.
On all appendages? 😏
I just never get enough of this series, something about watching a PC start working is just so satisfying
Just started the video and have gotten up to sponge bob reference. I would have thought faulty PSU first, back to vid.
Also there are gamers using e-machines (discontinued 2013, prebuilds that were terrible for the price- worse than Dell prebuild terrible in price/performance) to this day, an rx 580 is a luxury to many and AM3 is well and truly alive in the used market- there is no doubt the building community is still much smaller than it should be but that will largely be due to cost and console gamers not grasping that pc are superior. That is why we have you and GN and JTC etc.
Edit: Hell yes!!! 28 years building and fixing pcs I can say , nailed it! I appreciate you explaining product placement/agreements and it awesome, we would watch anyways. You have never once come off like an ad for tech-fluencing. I would worry long term any damage the faulty set up/psu (pinched cables?? That is bad) has caused. Obviously it hasn't blown any caps so that is good news.
I went with that same trident z neo ram kit and had the same problem. Switched to corsair kit and it's worked great since. Cheers.
I will say I've learned so much from this channel in my last year and a half of owning a gaming pc. I hope this series never ends. also can't wait till you go back to microcenter in GA or maybe even if you decide to visit the new one in Charlotte in the future I would love to meet you brother!
I live out in the country ... lighting, brownouts, cme's ... I almost always check the power supply ... so many voltages, so critical for everything, so easy with a tester
You da MAN GREG! Fixed mission Completed :)
Hi Greg, When I buy or repair a pre-built, a word pops into my brain: proprietary. If I suspect the PSU has gone South and I buy a new one, I affix small cardboard tags to the cables. I print the manufacturer's name, model number, and wattage on the tags and attach the tags to each of the included cables. By doing this, I assure myself that only the cables that came with the PSU are connected to that PSU. All PC owners should own a Power Supply Tester.
Extra thumbsup for the super upfront disclosure Greg
I love your business model, love how you are upfront
Thank you for the disclosure of your agreement with be quiet.
There was a few things you could try, 1 - follow the LED cable from that 3rd party unified rgb/fan controller, to see if it is plugged in the motherboards ARGB 3-PIN header. 2 - if you hold down the reset button it should switch between Aura and the controllers RGB pre-programmed rgb modes.(if it is wired for changing colour by pressing the reset button. Sometimes you need to select a colour theme in the Armoury Crate software. Cheers Greg!
I appreciate the Senna helmet in the background as well as the mysterious Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards on the table and walls.
Not related to this video but did you see the latest video from Louis Rossman? Involves EVGA power supply shenanigans. Apparently even between the same power supplies some power cables are not compatible between like models. Supposedly a user RMAd a power supply where one is instructed to NOT return the cables. Upon receiving a new identical power supply he killed like 3 drives by using the previous cables.
Modular PSU pin out differences is not isolated to EVGA, most if not all brands have different pin outs even between models or tiers. I wouldn't be surprised even if they changed pin out from a same PSU model between a v 1.0 and a v1.1 or a refresh. That's why all tech channels warn you to keep your modular cables together with your PSU or PSU box and don't mix and match ever unless you know what you're doing and know the pin out. JayzTwoCents fried a SATA drive because he misplaced a SATA modular cable from some other PSU into a Corsair PSU's box he used.
@@kamui004 remember that most brands don’t actually make their own psus. They just have different oems make them and slap their label. EVGA is notorious for changing vendors every time they change the model.
@@TheSjurisI know that most big brands have their PSUs made by OEMs like GreatWall, SuperFlower or Silverstone and so on. That's why I said I wouldn't be surprised the pin out changes even with the same model if they do a v1.0 to v1.1, refresh or /sigh changed OEM.
@@kamui004 usually 1.0 to 1.1 is different parts in the psu. EVGA changes vendors on every single psu model. It’s why you’re never supposed to use the old cables on new psus. It’s also why I usually use Seasonic since they make their own psus and supply them to others.
@@kamui004 You're absolutely right. However, as Rossman pointed out, EVGA *specifically* instruct people returning PSUs under a RMA to *keep* their cables, because the company will *NOT* provide new ones. Nor do they give any indication that the pins might have changed on the replacement unit. So what are people supposed to do?
BeQuiet PSU's look so good in a sleek black build.
was wondering about if this a bios thing ... maybe a update causin this....
Too bad with basements in cases you can't actually view the psu.
@@mortimusmaximus1stnot true of all cases!
@@adamtajhassam9188 no, BIOS updates do not affect how BeQuiet PSUs look in a sleek black build.
5VS (5V standby, also called 5VSB) on the power supply absolutely must work for the system to power on. Since it gives standby power to the mainboard, which is needed for the mainboard to turn on the power supply and boot the system. This isn't like with AT (and older) power supplies and mainboards which used a latching switch.
I purchased a G5 supernova last year and it died within the first week, RMA'd and Newegg had me a new one in a weeks time. Thankfully since then no issues fingers crossed..🤞
I love building my own systems. Have been doing it for about 20 years now and have NEVER bout a pre-built PC. A friend gave me the basics of compatibility and I just took off from there lol. It's fun and personalized.
Great video as always. As for the front fan RGB i know this is a silly question but did you try pressing the LED button on the top of the case? They might have just been turned off lol
Running an EVGA G2 750W myself and still works like a charm :)
now that you got the system to post I'm willing to bet the original ram would still work. Also could have plugged those fans into the other side of the hub to at least have tried something for the owner...
Nice work. I bought an EVGA 600 watt PSU once, and the SATA and molex connectors were the cheapest things I had ever seen....they felt flimsy and fit poorly. I later bought a Corsair unit, and was really impressed with the quality---built like a brick
Corsair is king when it comes to PSU's. Also they clearly label the PSU cables with type of cable. And there is no problem finding out wich PSU's use wich cable types.
Faulty power supply’s can cause damage across the system that is why people shouldn’t cheap out on them. A good quality will have safeguards to protect components. Did the old psu kill the ram or not position right in socket.? Seeing the system is booting I would steer towards short circuit of the sticks not being installed correctly. Looks like that old psu did the job and protected the components.
Pretty sure you’re correct on the PS taking out the hub for the leds . There should also be leds around the buttons on the case. Either way I truly enjoy your videos and I think it’s great that you’re helping others out and able to put food on the table. I’ve been building and trouble shooting computers for over 20 years and I sure wish RUclips and content creating was popular back then . ❤
ive finished the series now from Season 1 to season 5. ive been building pcs for 4-5 months and you have helped me insane amounts. i was able to diagnose my own pcs issues so i appreciate you. wish there was people like you in the uk!
Why not you?
@@rickmiller4202 doing my own pc and my family and friends is one thing, but random people like greg does is another, i dont have the funds to replace if i were to damage something. although i could build a pc there is definitly still more i can learn. maybe in 10 years or so Lol :P
@@anthonyking5035 I understand. Be well.
I have the smaller version of this exact case. in addition to the boards rgb software, the front leds could also be controlled by the LED switch at the top of the case. but am willing to believe that the power supply might have partially killed that hub because of the bad power supply.
For seeding things into the motherboard just reach over to the release lever and make sure its fully up. I cant imagine building a pc and going through the effort of seeking help without already 100x checking things like this. If my PC doesn't post i'm not gonna be able to sleep until I fix it.
My dude got a mobo RMA and connected it correctly without any knowledge? I'm super impressed tbh
Kind of suspicious tbh lol😂. Bought a prebuilt because they didn't know anything about parts, but effectively rebuilt multiple times?
Same but at the same time.. Why not try the PSU?? Like come on man! lol No Power normally = power supply issue.
@@Killswitch1411 I think it shows that the guy actually said the truth. That he isn't savvy in pc building.
So hats off to the guy but you are right.
Greg gets a hunch and he is laser focused on it. Kudos for not editing the video and covering up your error.
Super dope to see someone honest and disclosing ads, most RUclipsrs wouldn’t! Thanks for teaching me Greg
I ran into a similar issue when I was upgrading my ram kit on my x570 board. Turned out all I needed to do was reset the CMOS battery for my board to recognize the new ram kit
Hey, I'm a pc builder myself, I've been building quite a lot pc before. As my experience from building pc, gskill ram ( especially tridentz model to be specific), they tended to not work with ryzen cpu./ motherboard that well, if you receive the ram led, try to swap the ram that are in a2 to b2 and b2 back to a2, it might clear it out. If not just change it to different ram kit.
It's easy to see why the whole system was dead. It wasn't just any old 5V rail on the PSU that was broken. It was the 5Vsb (standby) rail. The board wasn't even receiving standby power.
Did you push the LED button on the front I/O of the case? It could just be turned off.
EVGA power supplies in my experience are good quality. However under the event of an electrical short like during a power outage or something, it will 100 percent kill itself to protect the rest of the components. Had the same thing happen and it took me days to figure out what was wrong because some days it wanted to power on and other times it was shot.
BeQuiet is such a good company. A model for all component manufacturers out there.
My next PSU will definitely be BeQuiet!
I hate that many case manufacturers don't allow enough clearance at the top of the case for an AIO. It's the best place to install the cooler, but it just doesn't fit in many cases. An extra half inch of height would solve the problem... but they just don't do it.
I've got a G5 650 unit that's been great. Haven't heard of them going bad often, but EVGA is great about warranty still.
The "no pun intended" 5:02 got me so good
Dag, sometimes I get dizzy trying to figure some of this stuff while I watch. LOL. God bless you and the family.
Greg, that Evga PSU might be actually working, it may just be the cables that are not working. Please check it out with an unsquished set of cables, unless I am missing something off camera.
Like always, pretty good video :) You always make those fix or flop entertaining the watch.
I would have liked to see those RAM modules testing in another system though ! Otherwise nothing else to say ^^
5VSB is the 5 Volt standby voltage needed for the initial start so if you don't have 5VSB the PC will never turn on and that's why the MOBO leds didn't light up, they are powered from the 5VSB.
Greg:
Did you try all 4 RAM slots by themselves to make sure one wasn't bad? Did you test his old RAM in another rig? Would it have been possible to move the proprietary RGB/Fan cables to different headers on the controller to test whether it was the controller or the fans themselves?
Glad to see you always diagnose the real cause and usually find it so fun and glad to see. Just wish to see the happy on there faces but I get why.
My tip to get memory installation right: close the memory latch or latches WITHOUT installing the memory yet. Study the position the latches are in. They need to be in the EXACT SAME positions after you install the memory. If the latches make a 'click' sound when you close them without installing memory, they must make the same click sound when you close them after installing the memory. Any difference in latch position or sound when you install memory usually means you didn't properly install it.
The glare is much improved!
The beeping of the power supply tester scared the crap out of me. I thought it was my PC….
OpenRGB helped me when organizing my lighting felt like herding cats, and ICUE was ignoring its responsibilities.
I'm with Greg about Pre builds
It's not as hard as everyone thinks building a PC just take your time and do research watch a lot of RUclips building guides and never depend on a shop that may or may not be overcharging for work they did or didn't do
Had a similar experience about month ago, PC just instantly shut down, would not restart, no LED's on at all. Tested the power supply and found it had failed, it also took out 4 sticks of Dominator DDR4, a WD Black nvme 1TB SSD and a Corsair Commander Hub. luckily all parts covered by warranty.
But did you find out what caused the PSU to fail? I would say a power surge would generally be the cause for most failures unless it is really old
@@johnt.848 It was plugged into a fairly high end APC UPS, nothing else had a problem and the UPS didn't detect a problem. PS was replaced under warranty and they reimbursed for the cost of damaged parts, they didn't provide an explanation of the failure. I haven't mentioned the manufacturer because I don't like to skew opinion based on one experience, but it was from a well known and reputable manufacturer and was less than six months old.
@@eteocles4452good to hear.
The first issue I had with a gaming PC was the ram, I had no clue what I was doing until my buddy told me to push down a little harder on the ram.
I found a bad PSU extension cables might have killed my new Corsair memory and then caused my PC to crash inconsistently. So be aware that if memory seems to die and the PC tends to reboot randomly with no BSOD errors logged it's something to do with the PSU.
Good job. As for the front fans RGB, maybe a front panel button that controls them or maybe disabled via software?
Yeah we tried several front panel buttons (there were a few with different functions) to no avail. Hopefully they were just disabled in software.
Man, am I glad that when my psu died. It only took my gpu over time. Still cost me a pretty penny, during the gpu crisis of all times. But atleast I didn't have to replace that much of my system.
It's been running fine ever since, for over a year.
I had an EVGA PSU crap out a few weeks ago after only a year of use. 2nd one I've had to send back to them for replacement. Absolutely 0 signs of life from that one as well.
Haven't had issues with EVGA power supplies myself. I have them in all 5 of my computers in my home. The only one I've had die was one that was plugged directly into the wall with no protection and got fried from storm. Old 1960s home with subpar wiring and old original outlets. New power supply and a good quality UPS in line and no more problems.
Also a low cost fix for replacing the front fans would would be with Thermalright. They are my go to brand for fans
I dont know what u are doing different but your fix or flop series is the only one i like soo much and cant wait for the next episode 💪💪💪
@14:22 we can see that the Fan 1 is not fully seated into the header.
You need to mention that if you don't hear the distinct click/snap that the DRAM stick isn't fully seated. You will hear the sound and see the RAM clips seat.
You should’ve took the three fans that the RGB worked and put them in the front. And grab a black fan and put it in the back or whatever.
So what was behind that blur on the AIO Mr. Greg lmao
the curiosity is killing me as well lol, I'm guessing it had to do with anime
That was close. We were two for three for the PC version of Beck's Triad
Can't wait for this guy to receive his 1M subs, Much deserve! :D
Speaking of the devil Louis Rossmann came out with a video about EVGA's PSUs lol
7:31 because if a power supply fail it can cause a serious fire hazard ⚠️
Look at Greg rockin’ the UL tee. 👍
Missed opportunity to tell everyone the benefits of a good UPS to avoid issues like this. Great video as usual Greg.
A UPS will stop brownouts and power spikes but it won't keep a PSU from committing suicide. I've replaced a few PSU's over the years that have been plugged into good UPS's, fortunately the only downstream casualty has been a couple of HDDS and a really cheap multi IO card.
I bought 2 identical cases with front LED fans. One I leave the LEDs off all the time and the front panel switch still works with it. The other I would occasionally change the color on the LED. The one I changed the colors on the LEDs won't turn on now. Checked the wiring on both and and considered getting a new controller board. (No problems on either computer other than the one has no LEDs on front fans.) Since he didn't replace the controller board I am not going to do so as well.
Greg, I can see where memory not being correctly installed could be a common issue nowadays. Most modern systemboards only have a latch on one side, vs two sided latches where you could confirm if the memory was completely seated. I guess it saves a few cents for the manufacturer.
I had that same exact PSU on Odin (yes, I name my BYOPC... sue me) and due to a power surge and a power strip choice error on my end, the EVGA G5 bit the dust although it protected the other components. I got another EVGA PSU, but it was the 850W Platinum version (Supernova P5) and the Platinum one has served me well to this day - and before anyone asks, the GPU tied to is is the RTX 3070TI.
Hey Greg! I am really enjoying your channel! It has taught me quite a bit about computers. I am interested in learning more about building my own. Unfortunately, my time is a bit limited to dedicate myself to a classroom or any instructional facility. This is probably about as rookie a question out there, but are there any books you would recommend that could point me in the right direction? I learn best from reading, (and watching your channel ;) ). Thank you for your time with all of the great videos! All the best!
When I replaced my cpu cooler I encountered the amber dram light and decided to reseat the ram. Which fixed the issue. I even heard 2 clicks, so I assumed it was fully inserted
I was going to say those motherboards light up when you have the power supply on even befoee you hit the power button. That is unless you turn it off in bios settings which most people dont do.
I just noticed that when the pc booted into windows, Greg censored the aio screen. My guess is that it was not very PG
Glad the viewer can game happily now. It was good of you to mention that it’s okay for people not to be computer savvy or things like that because not everyone has the same knowledge. Proud of the viewer for at least trying their best.
props to this kid for his effort
Fun fact: a too-old BIOS can cause a DRAM fault LED. Happened to me when I built this system and the BIOS didn't have support for Zen 3. (Friend has a Zen 2 system, borrowed the CPU and helped with a cooler install while I was there.)
Since you said we should.....
I had an evga G2 850 watt die... albeit after using it in 3 pcs over 8 years, and when it died i kind of confirmed (or am very convinced) that the socket it was plugged into was drawing current from a line shared with a refrigerator in another room, so it probly tripped a few times without me knowing before dying completely.
I literally have the exact same specs except I have a Platinum 850 W Asus thor Psu. 1tb Nvme and 1tb SSD and 2Tb Hard drive.
I had a bad storm months ago that took out my cheap power supply that I should have replaced earlier and my motherboard. After replacing everything my RGB lights haven't lit up since. Kind of sad considering it was half my bling. But at least you can't tell that I only have two fans instead of three in the front of my case.
Silver Lining.