One bad thing I've noticed at EV chaging stations is the lack of canopies. In hot weather you have the sun beating down on you while waitingfor the car to charge. If it's raining or snowing you get drenched or frozen hooking the car up. Almost every regular gas station has a canopy.
Totally agree, in California the early superchargers had canopies... but canopies cost a ton to build so it makes sense that it's not a thing. Maybe one day when the gas pumps are dwindling we'll have our creature comforts back 🍻
@@WatchJRGoWith companies like Porsche, and Shell working on much cleaner burning synthetic fuels for ICE cars, and Hydrogen also very slowly starting to catch on, I doubt gas stations will have anything to fear for a long time to come.
@@CommodoreFan64hydrogen is not catching on, and is basically an EV with extras steps… there are a total of less then 20 filling stations in the entire country and all of them are in California, with one in Hawaii..
Having done similar trips, it’s better to “charger hop.” Arrive as close to 0% then get just enough juice to get to the next one. Since EVs charge quicker at the low end of the battery, it speeds the trip up substantially.
I don't understand the hate for the Model 3. It's an electric car from Tesla that is more affordable to the average consumer. Not everyone can afford $80K-$100+K E cars.
@@daveblack5109 I am well aware of that. The same can be said for MOST American brands. The cheaper the vehicle, the worse the fit and finish will be. Sad, but true.
I’ve recently purchased a 1993 Lincoln Town Car. 80 miles an hour, with the AC blowing for a full tank of gas. 26 miles to the gallon. Yeah and it’s as comfy as you think.
I'm not the biggest Ford fan, but I fully admit 90's Lincoln, and even things like Mercury Cougars, and Ford Crown Vics in good condition are some really comfy cars for long trips, and the fuel mileage ain't as bad as most would think, as I had an 03 Ford Ranger Edge I was only able to squeak about 20 Mpg babying the throttle on a long road trip.
Sorry I’ll stick with Touareg Hybrid that gets me 600 miles of range. My time is worth something. Pay no attention to the fact that I need tires every 15to20k and it only takes premium 😂
My time is worth something too, that’s why I chose a Model 3. On the occasional road-trip, the time saved all the nights my car charged while I slept more than makes up for it. Do the math for all the times you have to stop for gas, it adds up.
You’ll learn as you start to learn the car better, but the approach you took to charger longer and stop less probably added a couple hours to your trip. I normally edit teslas existing plan with shorter more frequent stops and can save a bunch of time and really optimize the charging curve
For you, JR, I really think this might work - because while waiting on the charge, you can edit your videos. As long as your computer has power. Regardless, EVs are not great for towing, and on some road trips you really need to tow your new projects. Moreover, sometimes you just need to get to your destination - and it is there where EVs lose some ground, and this "old" EV loses due to its limiting range.
You did that 30 hr trip by yourself. Try putting wife and kids in the car. It would involve extra hotel stops and food costs. I've got an E Class Mercedes Diesel with a 900 mile tank range. Doesn't take me 15 minutes to fill up if I'm by myself. I do 4 x 2800 mile 2 way trips a year. I hotel stop in each direction. Given the cost of super charging in my country, fossil fuels are cheaper for long distance.
When JR said it takes 15 min to fuel, I was thinking what they heck is he fueling? I think electric car owners just say those kind of crazy times so they dont feel bad for how long it takes to charge their batteries.
I made two trips from OH to Wichita and OKC this summer, both times in a Tesla. It added a good two hours verses gas and I had to learn to just trust the navigation and charging duration. Also, finishing a trip driving through the Flint Hills is hard to beat.
I have a 21 Tesla model Y and I’ve done some traveling with it. It has 320+ miles of range which makes a huge difference. I’m glad you noted that stopping for gas does take time, though obviously not as much. Personally, I think it’s kind of fun to deal with the EV nerdiness of the whole charging , mileage stops, etc. After a while, you learn things like only stopping at the 250 chargers. I’ve rarely had a issues with re-calculating the charging stops. Usually it’s pretty quick. As you guessed, MCU2 is better and faster. Overall, I thought you gave a pretty objective summation of what it’s like to travel long distances with a Tesla, EV. For me I like it and I’m probably never going back to an ICE car.
A helpful hint to anyone taking the Maid of the Mist tour, I went on day one, then a coworker showed up the next day and wanted to go on a tour. I instructed Marcus to follow me. I took my shoes and socks off, tied the laces and draped over my shoulder. The mist runs straight down the supplied jackets, and straight into your shoes, if you’re taller than the jacket. Several people wished they followed my lead, on the boat.
Twos born is correct. Their ponchos funnel all of the water right down into your shoes. Also it gets very windy close to the falls so if you bring anything with you make sure to hold on to it. If you go to the Canada side you can go in the tunnels in the falls and also a Jet boat ride in the rapids that come after the falls.
It's very telling how your opinion of the charging stops changes over the duration of the trip. I'm glad you kept it real and showed us the pain along the way. 👍
Back in 1996 my dad took us on a road trip to Niagara Falls. It’s about 7-8 hours drive from central PA. Super cool trip that I will never forget. My dad had a 1984 Lincoln Town Car, we drove right across the bridge to Canada without passports, of course they checked us out hd us open the trunk etc. It was so beautiful over there, so much to do and they had these free, articulated, propane-powered buses that took you up and down the scenic drive route. We did everything we could possibly do- even the Maid of the Mist boat ride that take you right under the falls. Two weird highlights- a semi truck crashed under a low bridge and we walked right past, and there was a guy running around naked on the golf course that the police were trying to apprehend 😂😂😂 Such a cool trip.
Excellent video as usual, always on point. If you ever go back to Niagara Falls try to go on Canada Day (July 1), there are fireworks at 10 pm and you will love it… also being on the US side you avoid the $40 parking fee we Canadians pay on this special night, whether you drive an EV or an ICE vehicle!
My 2012 Camry hybrid gives me over 500 miles before fill ups, and I can fill my 17 gallon tank in under 15 minutes even when washing the bugs off my windshield.
I wonder if Tesla's routing also considers other people's charging stops/activity during your planned stops. Like if it would bounce you to the next charger down the line if a certain one would maybe be full up. Idk, may have some impact on how long the route updates.
I like the long videos WJRG, especially when the content is solid. I have to say EVs at the moment are more for local travel. Imagine if you were a 9 to 5 person, you would have to program a day or two from your vacation just for charging, now add young kids to the mix and you have recipe for stress. What was wrong with the Tesla heading for the tow truck? Could it have been the battery? Awesome video.
I’ve driven 8hours journey several times this year with an model Y two of them with a small camper on the towbar..its a long journey car for sure..you have to eat and the car is ready when you are
Thank you for sharing a clear idea on the range and charging stops for road trips. I am renting a 2016 Model X in the near future and the host is passing along the free supercharging.
Hydrogen is the answer seen a guy the other day that got a LS3 running on pure Hydrogen. Better then throwing 100 years of engineering in the bin and making all new vehicles. If a guy in he's garage can do it manufacturers definitely can.
Niagara Falls is one of my favorite places in the world. I am super happy you were able to experience it! It is such an incredible place. Next time try to get there so you can go to cave of the winds and also ride maid of the mist. Both awesome experiences
I drove from Sydney to Melbourne nearly non stop when I had a Honda Accord. 900km/560miles or so. My bladder filled before the tank emptied, had to stop after 8 hours 😂
Having owned a 2018 Model S 85 and a 2016 Model S P85+ with dual onboard chargers $10k upgrade to 20kw… I can say the fastest I’ve ever charged was around 300 mph but it slowed down after 20 to 225 and then again at 30 150 and 40 to 58 or so… then they changed their algorithm around Sep 2019 and it’s remained about the same… get people in and out in 20 minutes… charge as fast as it can (shared is divided power), they they de-incentivize you (want you gone) by killing your charge rate to have every 10 minutes. A full charge literally took over 5 hours. Bottom line You cannot win. You will experience approximately 70% of the Tesla estimates for milage. If you charge longer it will just recalculate and you’ll experience a longer trip every time. My Tesla’s both had free super charging. Saved about 10k in fuel at about 5k hours of charging over 5 years 😢…. Basically your trade your life for less cash output to the oil company… Compensate by working in those hours somewhat offsets the deficiencies but not in overall health and quality of life. You’ll be married to the charging network and your sex life will suffer 😢
Everyone I know that has a model 3 loves it. Never heard any of them regret getting it and they all went from gas cars to total EV. I have an VW EV and plan to get a 3 next year.
@@oregonziggy2391the model 3 hate comes usually from non-owners I think. Or people who downgraded from a S/X and somehow expected the same feeling for half the price. As a car, the 3 doesn’t have any major issues brought up in its currently 5th year run.
Honestly, I think PHEVs are the way to go. Best of both worlds. All electric for the commute if it isn't too far, and then the convienence of not having to find chargers but gas stations on trips.
I just wish they'd have a little more range (for the ones that weren't designed from the ground up as one, i.e. Volt). Cayenne plug-in hybrid, for example, only gets 15 miles on all battery :(
Not really. Charging isn't worth it for those few kms they offer, and you carry extra weight. Faster charging and most of all only charging until the charging speed slows down is the way to go. Do not charge until full, unless you have a ton of time and don't mind wearing out the battery.
My concern with hybrid is that you have now two types of vehicle technology to maintain and repair. I’m not at all saying to stay away. It’s just a calculation per person of which risk to take. They’ll all work great and they’ll all fail miserably hehe
I think the only reasonable use case for a PHEV is for those that live in rural areas. In other words, areas that have little public charging infrastructure. They can have EV range for their daily commutes, and then refill with gas when they need to go on long trips.
Hi J.R. I think your car is so Cool. I would love to be able to afford to buy one. Lol. Thanks so much for showing us Niagara falls. I have never seen the Falls as im in Ireland. It's Great that you made it home buddy. Keep it up. 😅😅
EV's are just not practical for rural areas. In Western Kansas there are 5 charging stations and 3 out of the 5 are on I-70. In my car I could drive all the way from Scott City to Wichita and halfway back to Scott City before I had to get gas. In a Tesla I'd be charging in Great Bend just to get to Wichita then I'd have to charge in Wichita and then charge again in Great Bend on the way home.
We recently did a EV trip across the midwest (650 miles one way) in a Volvo C40. Max charging speed was 120kw, normally somewhere in the 50-60 range but basically every stop was 30-60 min. All of the chargers were either in a walmart or a sheetz, so it's doable, but not as convenient as a gas car for the moment.
Springfield, MA!?! who'd have thought you'd make it out near me after all this time! enjoy Six Flags! it used to have a race track, back when the park was called Riverside Park. been watching since the beginning so it's cool to see familiar places in the video!
I still get real John delorean vibes from Tesla. Like there's stuff happening in the background. Also Tesla would be screwed if they had to prove they had capacity to build what they promise before they can take deposits
I still have faith in my fellow American. I don't know how long the manufacturers are willing to let their over priced EV's just sit and rot because We don't want to be told what can and can't drive. If my only choice was a New EV Or a used ICE I'm sticking with my ICE.
"We need 10x more super chargers" NOOO We need an electrical grid in this country that can support the demand if we get more electric cars on the road.
I’m running out & getting my EV today! I can’t wait to load up the kids, the dog, & the wife & turn my 10 hour drive back home to Grandmas house into a two day trip from hell punctuated with hour long charging stops every 2 hours!!! Fathers will be blowing gaskets & dropping dead at charging stations all over the country. Back in the day, you could be on the verge of blowing out a kidney & Dad would say, “We just stopped 5 hours ago & I don’t need gas for another 100 miles. YOU CAN HOLD IT!!”
New to the concept of EV charging, if someone is hogging the charger, can you either just unplug their car for being a dbag, or add a charger extension and charge your car on their dime? That’s like stealing gas, but is the charger dbags that obtuse?
Usually if the car doors are locked the charge cable is locked into the car as well. As soon as you unplug the cable a new session starts, just like a gas pump 🍻
On most DC fast charger/Super Chargers they have idling fees, meaning if you just leave your car plugged in after it is full you get charged for hogging the charger. Tesla charges .50 a minute if the site is 50%+ full and $1 a min if the site is 100% full if you sit there for more than 5 mins not charging but plugged in. I know Electrify America just started doing it too but they are too lenient and give you a 10 min grace period and only charge you .40 a min.
So newer electric cars can do, say 20% to 80% charge in only 15 minutes ? That's fantastic ! Here in Europe, a petrol stop is about a 5 minute event ( smaller, less busy petrol stations ). So only an extra 10 minutes is very doable. Thanks for showing us Niagra Falls at night. It looks fantastic !
How far will that 80% charge take you as opposed to a full tank of fuel? What if the charging stations are full or faulty? If the charging station is full your "10" minutes could be pretty long.
My wife and daughter took our Tesla Model S on a 3,500 mile roadtrip last summer and they had a great experience where they planned most of their stops around meal times and they really enjoyed the more relaxed pace vs. my usual Cannonball Run style with "splash and dash" gas stops
Agreed we took a friends Model X on a 1500 mile road trip and had a great time. Same we planned charging as best we could around meals and or bathroom breaks or just the need for a get out and stretch break.
Your little detour to the falls made me feel like watching one of my favorite movies (for about the 20th time).... Niagara with Marylin Monroe and Joseph Cotton. A newer Tesla would have probably cut your charging time in half. Thanks for the cool video.
I love the color. 200 miles is plenty of range for me. I'm local enough. I was thinking about emailing you about it until I finished the walk through with Rich. 😂
It’s not really a nightmare in my opinion….I have free SuperCharging in my 2013 Model S 85 with 420km range. Paying upwards of $160 -$170 for one tank of gas in my truck now seems like a nightmare and a ridiculous waste of money. However, I will admit on a road trip charging takes 30-45 minutes for each stop. It’s better to road trip in the Tesla when on vacation and there is no time restraints or deadlines. Yes, I know someone is saying wait till I need to buy a new EV battery…well my car already has a new EV battery with 4 year warranty. I don’t plan to keep it that long and next owner should get some warranty too.
Not talking about the cost. Stopping anywhere in the country with a petrol station and taking 5min to fill up VS being forced to stop only where there is a charger and wait 30min to an hour or longer each charge. Yep, nightmare on a long road trip@@craignoble899
People just say the most random, ignorant, weird things when it comes to EVs. Do you regularly change the basement on your house? Because that's about how usual it is to replace a battery pack on an EV.
I own a tesla but you guys are delusional. How many miles until you have to change an engine on a toyota highlander? Also how much does it cost to change the engine in a highlander (if you ever even need to) versus the cost of changing a model x battery? Come on, i love my tesla and i know what im giving up for loving it, lets not kid ourselves
Even with the stops, seems like you had a great trip. Glad you had fun at SFNE. Plan for your recharger at the mini resort!!! Did Rich throw in a box of Stroopwafels with the Tesla?
You are 100% correct about the charging limit of older cars: a 2016 Model X can only reach 120kW DC. Anything newer than 2019 can reach 250kW, albeit for limited timeframes since the input rate is so high. But, going from 18% SOC to 80% on V3 technology is going to be much faster than what you're seeing.
That exactly what I was seeing when I had A&B to myself or was on a V3... with about 66kW when sharing. The time savings with charging at 250kW are massive on a trip like this! 🍻
@@WatchJRGo Its the faster charging at 250 KW/H from 5 to 45 and then the charging goes down linearly to about 125 when at 80%. So there is clearly a charging curve and it is an area where Tesla is good but there is more space for improvement also
Great video John.👍 FYI on our family road trips our fuel stops average about 5 minutes, I detest stopping on road trips, I can definitely see EVs are not for me!😂
Great video as always. I still love my Model 3 Performance though. It's the perfect companion to my V10 Excursion and V8 M5. Honestly, I thought the Tesla was going to be my second car, but lately I've been driving my gas cars, only to keep the battery charged and not dry up the seals. The Tesla has been the better daily in my case.
Very cool you got to see Niagara Falls, especially at night... made me smile that they've installed RGB lighting on it 😂😂 Think I might have to add it to our bucket list of things to visit one day (bit further out of my way than it was for you but it looks worth it lol)
I've seen at least 5 of these long-trip EV videos now and yep, you had the same experience that everyone else does. People love their city-driving Tesla so much they are willing to give the long trip a shot! By the end they all say they'd never do it again. They look cool, they're fast, and the tech is good. They will just simply not replace gas engines until they can drive 400 miles on a charge and take 10 minutes to re-charge. What would this trip look like/cost in a hybrid? I've not seen that video yet.
A long trip in a plug in hybrid is going to look like a regular gas car trip. This is mostly because most hybrids only have about 30-40 miles range on all electric mode. They don't have fast charging capability like full EVs. Its unreasonable to imagine someone would want to stop every 30 miles and level 2 "slow charge" them, hence they will just run on the gas engine for the rest of the trip.
@@Alejandro-ut4up That is pretty much accurate. As a Hybrid driver for several years now, I regularly do 360 / 400 mile trips and what you find is that the battery pack regenerates as you drive and you both use and regenerate traction battery power as you go. When I arrive I often have a fully charged traction battery due to regen charging and driving in pure EV mode is still available. The whole point of a Hybrid is to use both fuel and electric to suit your trip. Personally, I never get less than 50 mpg overall, often seeing 65 mpg. The small traction battery does limit total EV range but that is the whole point. Driven reasonably, you get the benefits of both when you need them and can run pure EV in congested or urban areas where pollution is at its worst. My car is a diesel hybrid SUV which I don't think is available in the US but it is about 5 - 10% more efficient than its ICE equivalent in real conditions. AND, no playing EV charger roulette, as ICE is always available - as is gas stations with canopies. EVs have their place but long road trips isn't one of them yet. The highest estimated range I have seen on my car is 680 miles. 400 miles is a dawdle and I get to choose where and when I stop or not.
I'm new to Tesla, have a Y/LR now for 4 months and I LOVE taking it on road trips. Where Tesla majorly falls down is not educating folks on road tripping efficiently. You don't just rely on the navigator recommendations. Make more stops for 10-15 minutes each, try to recharge at 10-15% and go to no more than around 60% since charging slows way down the higher you charge, pick V3 chargers if you can (dumb navigator just picks slower ones even if a V3 is within range a bit sooner or later). Also, you DON'T save much money via supercharging. But charging at home is 3-4x cheaper than gas. I much prefer my Tesla to our Honda CRV for trips by a long shot.
@civwar64bob77 nope. Depends on where you live and what kind of gas vehicle you drive. Electricity is 38 cents per kwh at my house. Tesla goes 2.5m per kwh. That's 40kwh to go 100 miles or a little over $15. Now do the same in a Honda accord hybrid or any vehicle that's gets over 40 mpg. ICE is much cheaper unless you are comparing it to a gas guzzler or you live in a area with cheap electricity.. which won't be cheap for long.
honestly go price and drive a base model 3/Y. the value is insane. you get every amazing feature you just mentioned about the x/s but at a significantly more affordable price. we are 2 months in with my wife's model y and 2 road trips down and its been nothing but phenominal.
I also noticed your going through erie Pennsylvania. Waldameer park and water world is a great little family owned amusement park you should check out. Erie pa is my hometown and lots to do there.
Glad you got to see Niagara and Erie, PA. I charge my Bolt in Erie when I go to see my mom. That city definitely needs more Level 3. Can't believe you can't take this to the mini resort! You have the 50 amp circuit all ready to go! There aren't many other vehicles with more range that what you have. We have to wait for the next gen of batteries.
Thanks for the memories of Niagara Falls! My then girlfriend and I snuck off fro 44221 one morning and made the trip to the Canadian side and back in one day. Everyone thought we were going to get married! Good times!! N.E.OH Bob
Totally agree with the model 3 comments. I actually had an s in 2017 that I sold because I didn’t use it a lot. Fast forward to 2020 I bought a 3 performance and was blown away by the speed. Everything else felt cheap and like an econo box. I sold it and went back to the s. The s is literally the best car you can get right now for the money. The used market is in shambles and I’ve seen p100d’s for 45k. That’s absurd when the car was literally 145k a few short years ago. The s is amazing, especially w free charging and the roof that actually opens. Just another example of Tesla losing their way. Cheapen the cars and lessen the excitement by removing anything you could potentially have to do maintenance on. Tesla continues to make major mistakes. One of these is bricking batteries right out of warranty. This is happening and it IS a thing. Their newest controversy since they love controversy is making the pyro fuse fail so customers will have to pay a major repair for their new fuse design. Some customers have been quoted an astronomical 1200 for a critical safety item that should be free. SMH
is this quality issue affecting new Model S vehicles too? this is out of curiosity anyway, I like the older Model S with the normal interior rather than the screen+ yoke paradigm
I don't think Tesla fell off, they wanted to make a more affordable car which normally is a money maker for a car company. For Toyota, it's the Corolla, not the 4Runner. A lot of the, this was suppose to come out on X date was because Elon way over promised, but mainly in concerns of timeframes. They had unlimited supercharging as an early incitive (as other things which they took away), since they are so popular now, no reason to waste money basically company wise. It's great to have unlimited supercharging, but with the charging speeds and the limited mile on the older Tesla doesn't make it a really sound daily. Enjoyed the video though
I was just at those super chargers until IN. I grew up mostly in Terre Haute. Terre H oh t. I live just south of the six flags you were at now. I was there before they started putting in the V3 charges, so I cant wait to see how fast my M3P charges. It was fun watching you make your way across.
@@WatchJRGo ok wasn’t 100% sure how that would work since I have a couple of EZPass-compatible transponders and I can transfer them from car to car as needed. I only ever had to make other toll payment arrangements in CA earlier this year.
I worked on just about every line from the original and mostly hand built RWD model S, the dual motor cars the model X, model S Specter cars and the first batch of model 3’s definitely the model 3 fights the X for biggest POS Tesla has made the issue with Tesla is in current leadership it wasn’t always that way. The circumstances of my leaving Tesla suck but I would have quit regardless
Door gaps on my X are ALL OVER THE PLACE and whats crazy is they all shift every time the falcon doors close... build quality is pretty laughable. I do think with dual SDUs this X might make it 250k miles. 😳
@@WatchJRGoI had moved to End of S/X line when the first batch of X’s were being built so I don’t know if it was always like this but, just about every X off the line went to EOL Repair due to defects and were being held due to a major part shortage at the time with the front door latches the few that moved to test usually failed at water test and were right back at EOL repair. It wasn’t just a 100% defect rate but multiple defects per vehicle add to that they dumped the Spectre on us (code name for current body style Model S) we were calling those out for massive body gaps on the front end (like your entire finger fits) only for a supervisor or Elon himself to say it’s fine 🙄 I was in door assembly for model 3 things only got worse quality wise. I don’t miss the 6/12’s and 7/12’s of the early days working there either just the $
One bad thing I've noticed at EV chaging stations is the lack of canopies. In hot weather you have the sun beating down on you while waitingfor the car to charge. If it's raining or snowing you get drenched or frozen hooking the car up. Almost every regular gas station has a canopy.
Totally agree, in California the early superchargers had canopies... but canopies cost a ton to build so it makes sense that it's not a thing. Maybe one day when the gas pumps are dwindling we'll have our creature comforts back 🍻
@@WatchJRGo That'le be the day! That's when ALL of the ICE stations have to convert to electric.🤣😳
@@WatchJRGoWith companies like Porsche, and Shell working on much cleaner burning synthetic fuels for ICE cars, and Hydrogen also very slowly starting to catch on, I doubt gas stations will have anything to fear for a long time to come.
They should use solar panels as canopies. Keep the cars cool and add clean energy into the mix.
@@CommodoreFan64hydrogen is not catching on, and is basically an EV with extras steps… there are a total of less then 20 filling stations in the entire country and all of them are in California, with one in Hawaii..
Having done similar trips, it’s better to “charger hop.” Arrive as close to 0% then get just enough juice to get to the next one. Since EVs charge quicker at the low end of the battery, it speeds the trip up substantially.
I don't understand the hate for the Model 3. It's an electric car from Tesla that is more affordable to the average consumer. Not everyone can afford $80K-$100+K E cars.
Fair call.
Try driving one, you’ll change your mind. They’re built like shit and cost too much for what you’re getting.
@@Powersproductions130 Yep, the tech is great but the fit and finish leaves a lot to be desired in a car costing that much.
I drive a 2021 M3 fit and finish is better than most German premium vehicles although mine is a MIC model.
@@daveblack5109 I am well aware of that. The same can be said for MOST American brands. The cheaper the vehicle, the worse the fit and finish will be. Sad, but true.
I’ve recently purchased a 1993 Lincoln Town Car. 80 miles an hour, with the AC blowing for a full tank of gas. 26 miles to the gallon. Yeah and it’s as comfy as you think.
I'm not the biggest Ford fan, but I fully admit 90's Lincoln, and even things like Mercury Cougars, and Ford Crown Vics in good condition are some really comfy cars for long trips, and the fuel mileage ain't as bad as most would think, as I had an 03 Ford Ranger Edge I was only able to squeak about 20 Mpg babying the throttle on a long road trip.
I’ve owned nice gas cars. I still prefer road tripping in my model S.
Sorry I’ll stick with Touareg Hybrid that gets me 600 miles of range. My time is worth something. Pay no attention to the fact that I need tires every 15to20k and it only takes premium 😂
My time is worth something too, that’s why I chose a Model 3. On the occasional road-trip, the time saved all the nights my car charged while I slept more than makes up for it. Do the math for all the times you have to stop for gas, it adds up.
You’ll learn as you start to learn the car better, but the approach you took to charger longer and stop less probably added a couple hours to your trip. I normally edit teslas existing plan with shorter more frequent stops and can save a bunch of time and really optimize the charging curve
Great video love the falls my friend thanks for the content some things are a dream to see im going to take my family to the falls thanks bro!
So you add 15 hrs to your drive time just charging to your trip
For you, JR, I really think this might work - because while waiting on the charge, you can edit your videos.
As long as your computer has power.
Regardless, EVs are not great for towing, and on some road trips you really need to tow your new projects.
Moreover, sometimes you just need to get to your destination - and it is there where EVs lose some ground, and this "old" EV loses due to its limiting range.
You did that 30 hr trip by yourself.
Try putting wife and kids in the car. It would involve extra hotel stops and food costs. I've got an E Class Mercedes Diesel with a 900 mile tank range. Doesn't take me 15 minutes to fill up if I'm by myself. I do 4 x 2800 mile 2 way trips a year. I hotel stop in each direction. Given the cost of super charging in my country, fossil fuels are cheaper for long distance.
When JR said it takes 15 min to fuel, I was thinking what they heck is he fueling? I think electric car owners just say those kind of crazy times so they dont feel bad for how long it takes to charge their batteries.
I made two trips from OH to Wichita and OKC this summer, both times in a Tesla. It added a good two hours verses gas and I had to learn to just trust the navigation and charging duration. Also, finishing a trip driving through the Flint Hills is hard to beat.
I have a 21 Tesla model Y and I’ve done some traveling with it. It has 320+ miles of range which makes a huge difference. I’m glad you noted that stopping for gas does take time, though obviously not as much. Personally, I think it’s kind of fun to deal with the EV nerdiness of the whole charging , mileage stops, etc. After a while, you learn things like only stopping at the 250 chargers. I’ve rarely had a issues with re-calculating the charging stops. Usually it’s pretty quick. As you guessed, MCU2 is better and faster. Overall, I thought you gave a pretty objective summation of what it’s like to travel long distances with a Tesla, EV. For me I like it and I’m probably never going back to an ICE car.
A helpful hint to anyone taking the Maid of the Mist tour, I went on day one, then a coworker showed up the next day and wanted to go on a tour. I instructed Marcus to follow me. I took my shoes and socks off, tied the laces and draped over my shoulder. The mist runs straight down the supplied jackets, and straight into your shoes, if you’re taller than the jacket. Several people wished they followed my lead, on the boat.
I absolutely want to go back and do that, it was already closed when I got there, the video shows the last tour out 🍻
Twos born is correct. Their ponchos funnel all of the water right down into your shoes. Also it gets very windy close to the falls so if you bring anything with you make sure to hold on to it. If you go to the Canada side you can go in the tunnels in the falls and also a Jet boat ride in the rapids that come after the falls.
Or you can be a true American and wear camo crocs!
The Model Y was top selling car in the world. Hard to say they lost their way.
Nah, GM is leading the way in EV's. Just ask Mary.
@@Sonny_Vthat’s funny
My sentiments exactly
It's very telling how your opinion of the charging stops changes over the duration of the trip. I'm glad you kept it real and showed us the pain along the way. 👍
I couldn't help but laugh.
Back in 1996 my dad took us on a road trip to Niagara Falls. It’s about 7-8 hours drive from central PA. Super cool trip that I will never forget. My dad had a 1984 Lincoln Town Car, we drove right across the bridge to Canada without passports, of course they checked us out hd us open the trunk etc. It was so beautiful over there, so much to do and they had these free, articulated, propane-powered buses that took you up and down the scenic drive route. We did everything we could possibly do- even the Maid of the Mist boat ride that take you right under the falls. Two weird highlights- a semi truck crashed under a low bridge and we walked right past, and there was a guy running around naked on the golf course that the police were trying to apprehend 😂😂😂 Such a cool trip.
Awesome video- glad to see that Rich’s old car wasn’t sabotaged by rich!
Your videos are never too long.
Excellent video as usual, always on point. If you ever go back to Niagara Falls try to go on Canada Day (July 1), there are fireworks at 10 pm and you will love it… also being on the US side you avoid the $40 parking fee we Canadians pay on this special night, whether you drive an EV or an ICE vehicle!
This is a very interesting trip I feel like I'm there wth you, thanks.
My 2012 Camry hybrid gives me over 500 miles before fill ups, and I can fill my 17 gallon tank in under 15 minutes even when washing the bugs off my windshield.
Hybrid is the way to go.
Not free to repair , all costs matter.
Nice to see that model 3 straddling 2 bays and stretching the charge cable 😂 people are the best.
That is some gorgeous footage of Niagra Falls!
I wonder if Tesla's routing also considers other people's charging stops/activity during your planned stops. Like if it would bounce you to the next charger down the line if a certain one would maybe be full up.
Idk, may have some impact on how long the route updates.
The navigation shows you if the next Tesla supercharger is busy and if it is worth moving onto the next charger.
I was rerouted to a different charge once, because the original one was experiencing high usage.
I like the long videos WJRG, especially when the content is solid. I have to say EVs at the moment are more for local travel. Imagine if you were a 9 to 5 person, you would have to program a day or two from your vacation just for charging, now add young kids to the mix and you have recipe for stress. What was wrong with the Tesla heading for the tow truck? Could it have been the battery? Awesome video.
I’ve driven 8hours journey several times this year with an model Y two of them with a small camper on the towbar..its a long journey car for sure..you have to eat and the car is ready when you are
Thank you for sharing a clear idea on the range and charging stops for road trips. I am renting a 2016 Model X in the near future and the host is passing along the free supercharging.
What a surprise ending! You got to watch the whole video through I didn't expect that ending LOL!
lol at your pronunciation of Terre Haute
Hydrogen is the answer seen a guy the other day that got a LS3 running on pure Hydrogen. Better then throwing 100 years of engineering in the bin and making all new vehicles. If a guy in he's garage can do it manufacturers definitely can.
Congratulations and have a great trip
Niagara Falls is one of my favorite places in the world. I am super happy you were able to experience it! It is such an incredible place. Next time try to get there so you can go to cave of the winds and also ride maid of the mist. Both awesome experiences
ideal car i need a pit stop every 1to 2hrs.
Every girl I know LOVES having to stop every 2 hours and they would appreciate this... I like to stop every 3-4 hours 🍻
I drove from Sydney to Melbourne nearly non stop when I had a Honda Accord. 900km/560miles or so. My bladder filled before the tank emptied, had to stop after 8 hours 😂
Charging higher than the suggestion always adds time to the trip, even if you manage to reduce the number of stops
I only let 2-3 stops charge 15-20 minutes longer than the car said it needed to continue the trip 🍻
The Model X charging on your car is slower then the 3/Y. You need to goto the 2019+ for equal charge speed.
Charging past 70% is just wasting time.
Having owned a 2018 Model S 85 and a 2016 Model S P85+ with dual onboard chargers $10k upgrade to 20kw… I can say the fastest I’ve ever charged was around 300 mph but it slowed down after 20 to 225 and then again at 30 150 and 40 to 58 or so… then they changed their algorithm around Sep 2019 and it’s remained about the same… get people in and out in 20 minutes… charge as fast as it can (shared is divided power), they they de-incentivize you (want you gone) by killing your charge rate to have every 10 minutes. A full charge literally took over 5 hours.
Bottom line
You cannot win. You will experience approximately 70% of the Tesla estimates for milage. If you charge longer it will just recalculate and you’ll experience a longer trip every time. My Tesla’s both had free super charging. Saved about 10k in fuel at about 5k hours of charging over 5 years 😢…. Basically your trade your life for less cash output to the oil company…
Compensate by working in those hours somewhat offsets the deficiencies but not in overall health and quality of life. You’ll be married to the charging network and your sex life will suffer 😢
a full tank on a real car is 5 minutes or so
hahahah you stopped in my town! so funny how you pronounced Terre Haute LOLOLOL
Lol the way you pronounced Terre Haute made me actually laugh out loud! I unfortunately went to college there and refer to it as Terror Haute.
Terrible Haute..
😂
Maybe one day charging will be like getting your racer fixed in F-Zero. Just drive over the special spot and it's automatic!
I think Purdue University built and tested a small piece of road that works like a wireless phone charger.
I absolutely love my model 3. 100,000kms and counting.
Everyone I know that has a model 3 loves it. Never heard any of them regret getting it and they all went from gas cars to total EV. I have an VW EV and plan to get a 3 next year.
@@oregonziggy2391the model 3 hate comes usually from non-owners I think. Or people who downgraded from a S/X and somehow expected the same feeling for half the price. As a car, the 3 doesn’t have any major issues brought up in its currently 5th year run.
Pretty cool to see what Niagara falls looks like from the US side, I always wondered what I looked like from the other side!
I am a NY resident between Cheektowaga and Erie Pa and you went right by my house on the 90
Video wasn't too long, good trip good length.
Honestly, I think PHEVs are the way to go. Best of both worlds. All electric for the commute if it isn't too far, and then the convienence of not having to find chargers but gas stations on trips.
I just wish they'd have a little more range (for the ones that weren't designed from the ground up as one, i.e. Volt). Cayenne plug-in hybrid, for example, only gets 15 miles on all battery :(
Double drivelines and little range..i disagree
Not really. Charging isn't worth it for those few kms they offer, and you carry extra weight.
Faster charging and most of all only charging until the charging speed slows down is the way to go. Do not charge until full, unless you have a ton of time and don't mind wearing out the battery.
My concern with hybrid is that you have now two types of vehicle technology to maintain and repair. I’m not at all saying to stay away. It’s just a calculation per person of which risk to take. They’ll all work great and they’ll all fail miserably hehe
I think the only reasonable use case for a PHEV is for those that live in rural areas. In other words, areas that have little public charging infrastructure. They can have EV range for their daily commutes, and then refill with gas when they need to go on long trips.
Hi J.R. I think your car is so Cool. I would love to be able to afford to buy one. Lol. Thanks so much for showing us Niagara falls. I have never seen the Falls as im in Ireland. It's Great that you made it home buddy. Keep it up. 😅😅
Great that you got to NIAGARA FALLS! It's a great place, next time go on the walk behind the falls it's awesome. Love the content.
EV's are just not practical for rural areas. In Western Kansas there are 5 charging stations and 3 out of the 5 are on I-70. In my car I could drive all the way from Scott City to Wichita and halfway back to Scott City before I had to get gas. In a Tesla I'd be charging in Great Bend just to get to Wichita then I'd have to charge in Wichita and then charge again in Great Bend on the way home.
California PG&E is between .44 and .55 cents per Kw. not so cheap here
I guess Tesla pays commercial electric rates for its chargers then, as my charges were 40-45 cents between SLO and Red Bluff.
It’s .27 cents here, Bay Area. Off peak hours.
We recently did a EV trip across the midwest (650 miles one way) in a Volvo C40. Max charging speed was 120kw, normally somewhere in the 50-60 range but basically every stop was 30-60 min. All of the chargers were either in a walmart or a sheetz, so it's doable, but not as convenient as a gas car for the moment.
Springfield, MA!?! who'd have thought you'd make it out near me after all this time! enjoy Six Flags! it used to have a race track, back when the park was called Riverside Park. been watching since the beginning so it's cool to see familiar places in the video!
I still get real John delorean vibes from Tesla. Like there's stuff happening in the background. Also Tesla would be screwed if they had to prove they had capacity to build what they promise before they can take deposits
I still have faith in my fellow American. I don't know how long the manufacturers are willing to let their over priced EV's just sit and rot because We don't want to be told what can and can't drive. If my only choice was a New EV Or a used ICE I'm sticking with my ICE.
Amen 😌
Amen again!
That’s the beauty of America, nobody’s telling you what to drive. I chose a Model 3 and don’t see myself ever driving an ICE car. To each their own.
At least you got to see the falls, I was in Buffalo and real close but never made it.
15 stops!!!! oh hell no!!!! I'll keep the Prius!
The Prius is the best roadtrip car ever built, my Volt does well too 💯
I live near a Tesla dealer. I cannot remember a time driving by the dealership when a Tesla wasn’t being dropped by a tow truck.
You were in Terre Haute!! We pronounce it “h-oat” Terre Hoat 😂
“I’m about to be so wrong”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Self-deprecation is always appreciated.
"We need 10x more super chargers" NOOO We need an electrical grid in this country that can support the demand if we get more electric cars on the road.
Your charging is not free if you are spending $50.00 each time you stop.
I'd venture to say I was going to eat and grab a drink anyway, usually less than $10 for a water and a snack 🍔
You went into a mall and only spent $10.00? you have more restraint than I.@@WatchJRGo
Very happy that you were in my neck of the woods in Agawam ma to go to six flags New England
I saw my city! Independence, MO! That’s probably the one at the Cable Dahmer arena.
I’m running out & getting my EV today! I can’t wait to load up the kids, the dog, & the wife & turn my 10 hour drive back home to Grandmas house into a two day trip from hell punctuated with hour long charging stops every 2 hours!!! Fathers will be blowing gaskets & dropping dead at charging stations all over the country.
Back in the day, you could be on the verge of blowing out a kidney & Dad would say, “We just stopped 5 hours ago & I don’t need gas for another 100 miles. YOU CAN HOLD IT!!”
New to the concept of EV charging, if someone is hogging the charger, can you either just unplug their car for being a dbag, or add a charger extension and charge your car on their dime? That’s like stealing gas, but is the charger dbags that obtuse?
You can not unplug any car while plugged in because the car has a locking mechanism so the charging port can not be pulled out
Usually if the car doors are locked the charge cable is locked into the car as well. As soon as you unplug the cable a new session starts, just like a gas pump 🍻
If someone is hogging the supercharger cable, and you unplug them, you still can't get your car into that spot anyways
On most DC fast charger/Super Chargers they have idling fees, meaning if you just leave your car plugged in after it is full you get charged for hogging the charger. Tesla charges .50 a minute if the site is 50%+ full and $1 a min if the site is 100% full if you sit there for more than 5 mins not charging but plugged in. I know Electrify America just started doing it too but they are too lenient and give you a 10 min grace period and only charge you .40 a min.
You were in my neighborhood (Syracuse to Niagara Falls). I know, big area but next time you roll through I'll grab lunch!!
JR's excitement to see Niagara Falls was so genuine!
So newer electric cars can do, say 20% to 80% charge in only 15 minutes ? That's fantastic ! Here in Europe, a petrol stop is about a 5 minute event ( smaller, less busy petrol stations ). So only an extra 10 minutes is very doable. Thanks for showing us Niagra Falls at night. It looks fantastic !
thing is those EVs with fast charging are expenssive. I dont think you can get fast charging for under 40-50k euro car
When I'm road tripping here in the US, a gas stop is usually 3-4 minutes. I don't go inside, just pay at the pump and go!
@@05Forenza+ you will loose money just going into the shops. 1 Hour is crazy to wait.
How far will that 80% charge take you as opposed to a full tank of fuel?
What if the charging stations are full or faulty?
If the charging station is full your "10" minutes could be pretty long.
Our Model 3 can get 100 miles of range in about 8 minutes when you start at about 20%.
My wife and daughter took our Tesla Model S on a 3,500 mile roadtrip last summer and they had a great experience where they planned most of their stops around meal times and they really enjoyed the more relaxed pace vs. my usual Cannonball Run style with "splash and dash" gas stops
If you have time to kill I think it’s a great experience… but when you want to get somewhere like we do, it’s not the way 😂
Agreed we took a friends Model X on a 1500 mile road trip and had a great time. Same we planned charging as best we could around meals and or bathroom breaks or just the need for a get out and stretch break.
Your little detour to the falls made me feel like watching one of my favorite movies (for about the 20th time).... Niagara with Marylin Monroe and Joseph Cotton.
A newer Tesla would have probably cut your charging time in half. Thanks for the cool video.
I love the color. 200 miles is plenty of range for me. I'm local enough. I was thinking about emailing you about it until I finished the walk through with Rich. 😂
What an absolute nightmare to do a long road trip in a Tesla. I'd rather pay for fuel and not have such major inconvenience.
It’s not really a nightmare in my opinion….I have free SuperCharging in my 2013 Model S 85 with 420km range. Paying upwards of $160 -$170 for one tank of gas in my truck now seems like a nightmare and a ridiculous waste of money. However, I will admit on a road trip charging takes 30-45 minutes for each stop. It’s better to road trip in the Tesla when on vacation and there is no time restraints or deadlines. Yes, I know someone is saying wait till I need to buy a new EV battery…well my car already has a new EV battery with 4 year warranty. I don’t plan to keep it that long and next owner should get some warranty too.
Not talking about the cost. Stopping anywhere in the country with a petrol station and taking 5min to fill up VS being forced to stop only where there is a charger and wait 30min to an hour or longer each charge. Yep, nightmare on a long road trip@@craignoble899
Teslas are actually really good road trip cars. They practically do everything for you. Charging stops aren’t that bad.
When it becomes time to replace those batteries you will make up for the money you think your saving !!
What in 250k miles? Kinda like replacing an engine? Grow up
People just say the most random, ignorant, weird things when it comes to EVs. Do you regularly change the basement on your house? Because that's about how usual it is to replace a battery pack on an EV.
Honestly some of these are on original batteries at 600k miles
Is the confident ignorance something you have to work at, or just natural intellectual sloth?
I own a tesla but you guys are delusional. How many miles until you have to change an engine on a toyota highlander? Also how much does it cost to change the engine in a highlander (if you ever even need to) versus the cost of changing a model x battery? Come on, i love my tesla and i know what im giving up for loving it, lets not kid ourselves
Even with the stops, seems like you had a great trip. Glad you had fun at SFNE. Plan for your recharger at the mini resort!!! Did Rich throw in a box of Stroopwafels with the Tesla?
dude you made it heck yeah I'll visit one day if I ever get a chance sheeeshhh now that's cool ,,,, sheeeeshhhh love that
Stopping every 2.5 hours would drive me insane. I typically go 4 to 5 hours between stops.
You are 100% correct about the charging limit of older cars: a 2016 Model X can only reach 120kW DC. Anything newer than 2019 can reach 250kW, albeit for limited timeframes since the input rate is so high.
But, going from 18% SOC to 80% on V3 technology is going to be much faster than what you're seeing.
That exactly what I was seeing when I had A&B to myself or was on a V3... with about 66kW when sharing. The time savings with charging at 250kW are massive on a trip like this! 🍻
@@WatchJRGo Its the faster charging at 250 KW/H from 5 to 45 and then the charging goes down linearly to about 125 when at 80%. So there is clearly a charging curve and it is an area where Tesla is good but there is more space for improvement also
The best part of Niagra Falls to me? That air. Man, everywhere within a distance of the falls always smells so refreshing.
It was amazing, the mist was cool too! 💯
Bring some AA batteries with you next time
Great video John.👍 FYI on our family road trips our fuel stops average about 5 minutes, I detest stopping on road trips, I can definitely see EVs are not for me!😂
Great video as always. I still love my Model 3 Performance though. It's the perfect companion to my V10 Excursion and V8 M5. Honestly, I thought the Tesla was going to be my second car, but lately I've been driving my gas cars, only to keep the battery charged and not dry up the seals. The Tesla has been the better daily in my case.
Very cool you got to see Niagara Falls, especially at night... made me smile that they've installed RGB lighting on it 😂😂
Think I might have to add it to our bucket list of things to visit one day (bit further out of my way than it was for you but it looks worth it lol)
Fun to see the all cities I know on I-90 in Upstate NY! Continue the great videos!
I've seen at least 5 of these long-trip EV videos now and yep, you had the same experience that everyone else does. People love their city-driving Tesla so much they are willing to give the long trip a shot! By the end they all say they'd never do it again. They look cool, they're fast, and the tech is good. They will just simply not replace gas engines until they can drive 400 miles on a charge and take 10 minutes to re-charge. What would this trip look like/cost in a hybrid? I've not seen that video yet.
A long trip in a plug in hybrid is going to look like a regular gas car trip. This is mostly because most hybrids only have about 30-40 miles range on all electric mode. They don't have fast charging capability like full EVs. Its unreasonable to imagine someone would want to stop every 30 miles and level 2 "slow charge" them, hence they will just run on the gas engine for the rest of the trip.
Nonsense. We drive regularly many hundreds of kilometers through Europe as do many hundreds of thousand other people.
DEATH TO FOSSIL!
@@Alejandro-ut4up That is pretty much accurate. As a Hybrid driver for several years now, I regularly do 360 / 400 mile trips and what you find is that the battery pack regenerates as you drive and you both use and regenerate traction battery power as you go. When I arrive I often have a fully charged traction battery due to regen charging and driving in pure EV mode is still available. The whole point of a Hybrid is to use both fuel and electric to suit your trip. Personally, I never get less than 50 mpg overall, often seeing 65 mpg. The small traction battery does limit total EV range but that is the whole point. Driven reasonably, you get the benefits of both when you need them and can run pure EV in congested or urban areas where pollution is at its worst. My car is a diesel hybrid SUV which I don't think is available in the US but it is about 5 - 10% more efficient than its ICE equivalent in real conditions. AND, no playing EV charger roulette, as ICE is always available - as is gas stations with canopies.
EVs have their place but long road trips isn't one of them yet. The highest estimated range I have seen on my car is 680 miles. 400 miles is a dawdle and I get to choose where and when I stop or not.
I'm new to Tesla, have a Y/LR now for 4 months and I LOVE taking it on road trips. Where Tesla majorly falls down is not educating folks on road tripping efficiently. You don't just rely on the navigator recommendations. Make more stops for 10-15 minutes each, try to recharge at 10-15% and go to no more than around 60% since charging slows way down the higher you charge, pick V3 chargers if you can (dumb navigator just picks slower ones even if a V3 is within range a bit sooner or later). Also, you DON'T save much money via supercharging. But charging at home is 3-4x cheaper than gas. I much prefer my Tesla to our Honda CRV for trips by a long shot.
@civwar64bob77 nope. Depends on where you live and what kind of gas vehicle you drive. Electricity is 38 cents per kwh at my house. Tesla goes 2.5m per kwh. That's 40kwh to go 100 miles or a little over $15. Now do the same in a Honda accord hybrid or any vehicle that's gets over 40 mpg. ICE is much cheaper unless you are comparing it to a gas guzzler or you live in a area with cheap electricity.. which won't be cheap for long.
honestly go price and drive a base model 3/Y. the value is insane. you get every amazing feature you just mentioned about the x/s but at a significantly more affordable price. we are 2 months in with my wife's model y and 2 road trips down and its been nothing but phenominal.
I also noticed your going through erie Pennsylvania. Waldameer park and water world is a great little family owned amusement park you should check out. Erie pa is my hometown and lots to do there.
You haven't seen Niagra Falls until you see it on the Canadian side. Take the tunnels under the falls, it's awsome!
Rich is the man .👍👍
I wish every RUclipsr was as honest as John Ross! Refreshing to the max!
Niagra Falls is awesome! Thanks for the video! I had a 2020 chevy bolt charging took longer... i thought the tesla would have more range...
Glad you got to see Niagara and Erie, PA. I charge my Bolt in Erie when I go to see my mom. That city definitely needs more Level 3. Can't believe you can't take this to the mini resort! You have the 50 amp circuit all ready to go! There aren't many other vehicles with more range that what you have. We have to wait for the next gen of batteries.
but only you exhaled CO2 so you must be eliminated
The thing is EV are much cheaper to run and use however I can always make more money but I can't make more time....
With EV you're screwed up front buying it! My cheap ass car plus all the gas will never equal 6 digits!
Thanks for the memories of Niagara Falls! My then girlfriend and I snuck off fro 44221 one morning and made the trip to the Canadian side and back in one day. Everyone thought we were going to get married! Good times!! N.E.OH Bob
Man you came real close to Rochester! Been watching a long time bud great channel!
Totally agree with the model 3 comments. I actually had an s in 2017 that I sold because I didn’t use it a lot. Fast forward to 2020 I bought a 3 performance and was blown away by the speed. Everything else felt cheap and like an econo box. I sold it and went back to the s. The s is literally the best car you can get right now for the money. The used market is in shambles and I’ve seen p100d’s for 45k. That’s absurd when the car was literally 145k a few short years ago. The s is amazing, especially w free charging and the roof that actually opens. Just another example of Tesla losing their way. Cheapen the cars and lessen the excitement by removing anything you could potentially have to do maintenance on. Tesla continues to make major mistakes. One of these is bricking batteries right out of warranty. This is happening and it IS a thing. Their newest controversy since they love controversy is making the pyro fuse fail so customers will have to pay a major repair for their new fuse design. Some customers have been quoted an astronomical 1200 for a critical safety item that should be free. SMH
is this quality issue affecting new Model S vehicles too? this is out of curiosity anyway, I like the older Model S with the normal interior rather than the screen+ yoke paradigm
I don't think Tesla fell off, they wanted to make a more affordable car which normally is a money maker for a car company. For Toyota, it's the Corolla, not the 4Runner. A lot of the, this was suppose to come out on X date was because Elon way over promised, but mainly in concerns of timeframes. They had unlimited supercharging as an early incitive (as other things which they took away), since they are so popular now, no reason to waste money basically company wise. It's great to have unlimited supercharging, but with the charging speeds and the limited mile on the older Tesla doesn't make it a really sound daily. Enjoyed the video though
I was just at those super chargers until IN. I grew up mostly in Terre Haute. Terre H oh t. I live just south of the six flags you were at now. I was there before they started putting in the V3 charges, so I cant wait to see how fast my M3P charges. It was fun watching you make your way across.
15 minutes is more than a normal gas stop. Even with a 3/4 ton truck :D
Worse yet, we don’t have the electrical generating capacity in this country to charge all these cars.
Honestly I think I’d rather pay for gas than wait for a vehicle to charge.
I’d rather sleep while my car charges. Who road-trips everyday? Stopping for gas takes time and it too adds up
@@nsxt321 Come on. Takes literally 5 minutes to fill up in most cases. It’s not daily either. I fill up every other week.
How are you/did you pay for those tolls on the Mass Pike and other northeastern toll roads? I know Kansas Turnpike isn’t compatible with EZPass.
Just call the number 🍻
@@WatchJRGo ok wasn’t 100% sure how that would work since I have a couple of EZPass-compatible transponders and I can transfer them from car to car as needed. I only ever had to make other toll payment arrangements in CA earlier this year.
Wow, thanks for breakig it up with the Niagra Falls detour.
I worked on just about every line from the original and mostly hand built RWD model S, the dual motor cars the model X, model S Specter cars and the first batch of model 3’s definitely the model 3 fights the X for biggest POS Tesla has made the issue with Tesla is in current leadership it wasn’t always that way. The circumstances of my leaving Tesla suck but I would have quit regardless
Door gaps on my X are ALL OVER THE PLACE and whats crazy is they all shift every time the falcon doors close... build quality is pretty laughable. I do think with dual SDUs this X might make it 250k miles. 😳
And mind you in Denmark the cheapest Model X from new is $185,000 before options. It's hard to justify right now @@WatchJRGo
@@WatchJRGoI had moved to End of S/X line when the first batch of X’s were being built so I don’t know if it was always like this but, just about every X off the line went to EOL Repair due to defects and were being held due to a major part shortage at the time with the front door latches the few that moved to test usually failed at water test and were right back at EOL repair. It wasn’t just a 100% defect rate but multiple defects per vehicle add to that they dumped the Spectre on us (code name for current body style Model S) we were calling those out for massive body gaps on the front end (like your entire finger fits) only for a supervisor or Elon himself to say it’s fine 🙄 I was in door assembly for model 3 things only got worse quality wise. I don’t miss the 6/12’s and 7/12’s of the early days working there either just the $