charging to 100% is a mistake while you are on a road trip. The time to charge from 5% to 80% is the same amount of time to 80% to 100%. I took a trip to FLA from NJ, and never sat more than 25 minutes. Staying at a charger for 1 hour is your own fault.
One bad thing I've noticed at EV chaging stations is the lack of canopies. In hot weather you have the sun beating down on you while waitingfor the car to charge. If it's raining or snowing you get drenched or frozen hooking the car up. Almost every regular gas station has a canopy.
Totally agree, in California the early superchargers had canopies... but canopies cost a ton to build so it makes sense that it's not a thing. Maybe one day when the gas pumps are dwindling we'll have our creature comforts back 🍻
@@WatchJRGoWith companies like Porsche, and Shell working on much cleaner burning synthetic fuels for ICE cars, and Hydrogen also very slowly starting to catch on, I doubt gas stations will have anything to fear for a long time to come.
@@CommodoreFan64hydrogen is not catching on, and is basically an EV with extras steps… there are a total of less then 20 filling stations in the entire country and all of them are in California, with one in Hawaii..
Having done similar trips, it’s better to “charger hop.” Arrive as close to 0% then get just enough juice to get to the next one. Since EVs charge quicker at the low end of the battery, it speeds the trip up substantially.
I don't understand the hate for the Model 3. It's an electric car from Tesla that is more affordable to the average consumer. Not everyone can afford $80K-$100+K E cars.
@@daveblack5109 I am well aware of that. The same can be said for MOST American brands. The cheaper the vehicle, the worse the fit and finish will be. Sad, but true.
I’ve recently purchased a 1993 Lincoln Town Car. 80 miles an hour, with the AC blowing for a full tank of gas. 26 miles to the gallon. Yeah and it’s as comfy as you think.
I'm not the biggest Ford fan, but I fully admit 90's Lincoln, and even things like Mercury Cougars, and Ford Crown Vics in good condition are some really comfy cars for long trips, and the fuel mileage ain't as bad as most would think, as I had an 03 Ford Ranger Edge I was only able to squeak about 20 Mpg babying the throttle on a long road trip.
You’ll learn as you start to learn the car better, but the approach you took to charger longer and stop less probably added a couple hours to your trip. I normally edit teslas existing plan with shorter more frequent stops and can save a bunch of time and really optimize the charging curve
I live in the Midwest and have been saying fir years that we need 350 mile EVs. All I ever heard is that no one needs over 75 miles on an EV and that no one drives over 50 miles a day. Those people have no touch with reality. I tell them that in the Midwest we do a lot of travel on highways and interstates. That kills the range on an EV and then add in Winter. I need a truck that can do many things, including towing. I want an EV truck but for now it does not work out. I wanted the New Silverado EV until I saw the specs and prices. I honestly want an EV truck but I simply can't afford it. Maybe when tech gets better and prices come down. I can't see paying as much for a truck as my home mortgage and then have it wear out in 10 to 15 years. If I get one , it will get used.
I have a 21 Tesla model Y and I’ve done some traveling with it. It has 320+ miles of range which makes a huge difference. I’m glad you noted that stopping for gas does take time, though obviously not as much. Personally, I think it’s kind of fun to deal with the EV nerdiness of the whole charging , mileage stops, etc. After a while, you learn things like only stopping at the 250 chargers. I’ve rarely had a issues with re-calculating the charging stops. Usually it’s pretty quick. As you guessed, MCU2 is better and faster. Overall, I thought you gave a pretty objective summation of what it’s like to travel long distances with a Tesla, EV. For me I like it and I’m probably never going back to an ICE car.
I drove from Pennsylvania to Florida in a rented model 3 long range and it was enjoyable. Especially since they charge extremely fast. Older ones are limited. Don’t get the hate with the 3 since it’s affordable for most. They do need quality control though.
My 2012 Camry hybrid gives me over 500 miles before fill ups, and I can fill my 17 gallon tank in under 15 minutes even when washing the bugs off my windshield.
I live in Michigan and have zero issue with the23 Chevy Bolt EUV. Sure the charging speed is slower but I am not in a hurry and it fits my life style. I do really like the 24 Kona that is coming out.
Sorry I’ll stick with Touareg Hybrid that gets me 600 miles of range. My time is worth something. Pay no attention to the fact that I need tires every 15to20k and it only takes premium 😂
My time is worth something too, that’s why I chose a Model 3. On the occasional road-trip, the time saved all the nights my car charged while I slept more than makes up for it. Do the math for all the times you have to stop for gas, it adds up.
First, I love my 2019 Model 3...best car I have ever had. Second, I also have a 2019 Model X with free supercharging and I've taken it from Maine to California and back with my whole family on one massive road trip. That's 7 of us (my wife and I and 5 kids). Yes, it takes longer than a gas car, but your strategy of charging to 100% is much slower. Your old X has a smaller pack and slower charging. Best strategy? Charge only enough to get to about 50%, then use it down to 5% or less...this optimizes the charge curve and you only spend 15-20 minutes to charge. Always plan on going to V3 stations, as it's much quicker and no charge-sharing, as you mentioned. More frequent stops, but you'll ultimately get to your destination quicker. Not sure why you hate the 3 and the Y so much, but I love mine!
And the reason why I will not buy an EV. 30 min stops compared to gas stops, don't kid yourself, my car has a 22-gallon tank, no more than 12 min filling up and normally less than 8min (who drives till really empty?), I did time this over 2 weeks. Most of your stops were closer to an hour. Right now, I think it's a joke for a long ride, ICE cars are better for this in long trips. Keep in mind, it took over 40 years for the ICE/Gas cars infrastructure to be built up. EVs have been around someplace around 10-15 years now. (before mainstream, EVs have been around for years but, not public with major brands making them). Standardization to Tesla connections is a good starting point(there is not a standard, needing to keep adapters in most cars), in about 10 years, all this stuff will be standard and mainstream. If you can FAST charge from 10-80 in less than 15min, then you're going head-to-head with ICE cars but, they will not be everywhere and a good distance in-between them. Personally, with how the charging network works, I don't think they are ready for everyone to move to a EV...
You did that 30 hr trip by yourself. Try putting wife and kids in the car. It would involve extra hotel stops and food costs. I've got an E Class Mercedes Diesel with a 900 mile tank range. Doesn't take me 15 minutes to fill up if I'm by myself. I do 4 x 2800 mile 2 way trips a year. I hotel stop in each direction. Given the cost of super charging in my country, fossil fuels are cheaper for long distance.
When JR said it takes 15 min to fuel, I was thinking what they heck is he fueling? I think electric car owners just say those kind of crazy times so they dont feel bad for how long it takes to charge their batteries.
I don't know about anyone else but, my gas stops, I've driven North to South and South to North cross country are at max 10 mins, that's with a bathroom break. 30 mins for gas is ridiculous, unless it's a cheap station like Sam's or Costco but, when you're on the road, you pay extra for the convenience of stations near the route. Sorry, until they release the Capacitor tech that not only allows for extended range, like a gas vehicle, 400 to 500 miles a charge and quick charging, 5 to 10 mins, EV's are only a good commuter and nothing else.
EV's are just not practical for rural areas. In Western Kansas there are 5 charging stations and 3 out of the 5 are on I-70. In my car I could drive all the way from Scott City to Wichita and halfway back to Scott City before I had to get gas. In a Tesla I'd be charging in Great Bend just to get to Wichita then I'd have to charge in Wichita and then charge again in Great Bend on the way home.
Electric cars at this point are for people in coastal cities or old people who drive to church and the grocery store. A guy like you living in Kansas is not the demo.
I actually disagree with a lot you’re saying. The model 3 revolutionized Tesla and what made it into the brand it is today (they made a fortune on it). Also, I just turned my MYP in and got a 2023 Model S LR with full steering wheel. The Model S isn’t dead, the quality is very refined this year. It is still a big head turner, folks are constantly wanting to talk to me about. No one cared when I had a Model Y. I am more inclined to accept some Tesla flaws for the charging network and tech experience. I test drove a Lucid Air Pure, which was actually cheaper than the Model S. But the tech was awful, and the EA charging network is a joke.
Hydrogen is the answer seen a guy the other day that got a LS3 running on pure Hydrogen. Better then throwing 100 years of engineering in the bin and making all new vehicles. If a guy in he's garage can do it manufacturers definitely can.
So what you are saying is if you drive an electric car long distances, you 'll be eating a lot. Maybe that's why the Model Ys look like they stuck and "air hose in the Mdl 3 and it popped."
I still have faith in my fellow American. I don't know how long the manufacturers are willing to let their over priced EV's just sit and rot because We don't want to be told what can and can't drive. If my only choice was a New EV Or a used ICE I'm sticking with my ICE.
When you have a balloon payment of $23,000 for a new battery after 100,000 miles looming over you like a dark cloud, it makes the little you save seem like nothing.
A helpful hint to anyone taking the Maid of the Mist tour, I went on day one, then a coworker showed up the next day and wanted to go on a tour. I instructed Marcus to follow me. I took my shoes and socks off, tied the laces and draped over my shoulder. The mist runs straight down the supplied jackets, and straight into your shoes, if you’re taller than the jacket. Several people wished they followed my lead, on the boat.
Twos born is correct. Their ponchos funnel all of the water right down into your shoes. Also it gets very windy close to the falls so if you bring anything with you make sure to hold on to it. If you go to the Canada side you can go in the tunnels in the falls and also a Jet boat ride in the rapids that come after the falls.
i did an estimate to drive from vegas to tampa, and it was 18 charger stops. 30 min each average to charge, or about 8 extra hours on a road trip. EVs are not mainstream for long road trips.
I wonder if Tesla's routing also considers other people's charging stops/activity during your planned stops. Like if it would bounce you to the next charger down the line if a certain one would maybe be full up. Idk, may have some impact on how long the route updates.
Honestly, I think PHEVs are the way to go. Best of both worlds. All electric for the commute if it isn't too far, and then the convienence of not having to find chargers but gas stations on trips.
I just wish they'd have a little more range (for the ones that weren't designed from the ground up as one, i.e. Volt). Cayenne plug-in hybrid, for example, only gets 15 miles on all battery :(
Not really. Charging isn't worth it for those few kms they offer, and you carry extra weight. Faster charging and most of all only charging until the charging speed slows down is the way to go. Do not charge until full, unless you have a ton of time and don't mind wearing out the battery.
My concern with hybrid is that you have now two types of vehicle technology to maintain and repair. I’m not at all saying to stay away. It’s just a calculation per person of which risk to take. They’ll all work great and they’ll all fail miserably hehe
I think the only reasonable use case for a PHEV is for those that live in rural areas. In other words, areas that have little public charging infrastructure. They can have EV range for their daily commutes, and then refill with gas when they need to go on long trips.
I have to disagree on model 3, I have OG 2018 model 3 dual motor, best daily I’ve had almost 100k miles that only needed front control arms and tires. New model 3 highland is massively improved, it’s their bread and butter car, like bmw 3er to bmw.
Having owned a 2018 Model S 85 and a 2016 Model S P85+ with dual onboard chargers $10k upgrade to 20kw… I can say the fastest I’ve ever charged was around 300 mph but it slowed down after 20 to 225 and then again at 30 150 and 40 to 58 or so… then they changed their algorithm around Sep 2019 and it’s remained about the same… get people in and out in 20 minutes… charge as fast as it can (shared is divided power), they they de-incentivize you (want you gone) by killing your charge rate to have every 10 minutes. A full charge literally took over 5 hours. Bottom line You cannot win. You will experience approximately 70% of the Tesla estimates for milage. If you charge longer it will just recalculate and you’ll experience a longer trip every time. My Tesla’s both had free super charging. Saved about 10k in fuel at about 5k hours of charging over 5 years 😢…. Basically your trade your life for less cash output to the oil company… Compensate by working in those hours somewhat offsets the deficiencies but not in overall health and quality of life. You’ll be married to the charging network and your sex life will suffer 😢
Definitely don't agree with the M3/MY hate. They're perfectly good cars that are actually affordable to a broader consumer base, which makes Tesla more money, and thus is a good business strategy. Tesla never intended to be an exotic car company for only the 1%. The MY is literally the best selling car in the world...of any type. Personally, the MX is my dream car, but they're just too expensive. There's a 2016 near me with only 17K miles on it, so I'm tempted, but it's also completely out of warranty.
Everyone I know that has a model 3 loves it. Never heard any of them regret getting it and they all went from gas cars to total EV. I have an VW EV and plan to get a 3 next year.
@@oregonziggy2391the model 3 hate comes usually from non-owners I think. Or people who downgraded from a S/X and somehow expected the same feeling for half the price. As a car, the 3 doesn’t have any major issues brought up in its currently 5th year run.
It’s not really a nightmare in my opinion….I have free SuperCharging in my 2013 Model S 85 with 420km range. Paying upwards of $160 -$170 for one tank of gas in my truck now seems like a nightmare and a ridiculous waste of money. However, I will admit on a road trip charging takes 30-45 minutes for each stop. It’s better to road trip in the Tesla when on vacation and there is no time restraints or deadlines. Yes, I know someone is saying wait till I need to buy a new EV battery…well my car already has a new EV battery with 4 year warranty. I don’t plan to keep it that long and next owner should get some warranty too.
Not talking about the cost. Stopping anywhere in the country with a petrol station and taking 5min to fill up VS being forced to stop only where there is a charger and wait 30min to an hour or longer each charge. Yep, nightmare on a long road trip@@craignoble899
For you, JR, I really think this might work - because while waiting on the charge, you can edit your videos. As long as your computer has power. Regardless, EVs are not great for towing, and on some road trips you really need to tow your new projects. Moreover, sometimes you just need to get to your destination - and it is there where EVs lose some ground, and this "old" EV loses due to its limiting range.
I drove from Sydney to Melbourne nearly non stop when I had a Honda Accord. 900km/560miles or so. My bladder filled before the tank emptied, had to stop after 8 hours 😂
Wait, isn't it dumb to try to reduce the number of charging stops? The last few percent take ages... more shorter stops will greatly reduce the waiting time.
I like the long videos WJRG, especially when the content is solid. I have to say EVs at the moment are more for local travel. Imagine if you were a 9 to 5 person, you would have to program a day or two from your vacation just for charging, now add young kids to the mix and you have recipe for stress. What was wrong with the Tesla heading for the tow truck? Could it have been the battery? Awesome video.
I’ve driven 8hours journey several times this year with an model Y two of them with a small camper on the towbar..its a long journey car for sure..you have to eat and the car is ready when you are
Niagara Falls is one of my favorite places in the world. I am super happy you were able to experience it! It is such an incredible place. Next time try to get there so you can go to cave of the winds and also ride maid of the mist. Both awesome experiences
I also noticed your going through erie Pennsylvania. Waldameer park and water world is a great little family owned amusement park you should check out. Erie pa is my hometown and lots to do there.
I still get real John delorean vibes from Tesla. Like there's stuff happening in the background. Also Tesla would be screwed if they had to prove they had capacity to build what they promise before they can take deposits
I’m running out & getting my EV today! I can’t wait to load up the kids, the dog, & the wife & turn my 10 hour drive back home to Grandmas house into a two day trip from hell punctuated with hour long charging stops every 2 hours!!! Fathers will be blowing gaskets & dropping dead at charging stations all over the country. Back in the day, you could be on the verge of blowing out a kidney & Dad would say, “We just stopped 5 hours ago & I don’t need gas for another 100 miles. YOU CAN HOLD IT!!”
My wife and daughter took our Tesla Model S on a 3,500 mile roadtrip last summer and they had a great experience where they planned most of their stops around meal times and they really enjoyed the more relaxed pace vs. my usual Cannonball Run style with "splash and dash" gas stops
Agreed we took a friends Model X on a 1500 mile road trip and had a great time. Same we planned charging as best we could around meals and or bathroom breaks or just the need for a get out and stretch break.
"We need 10x more super chargers" NOOO We need an electrical grid in this country that can support the demand if we get more electric cars on the road.
New to the concept of EV charging, if someone is hogging the charger, can you either just unplug their car for being a dbag, or add a charger extension and charge your car on their dime? That’s like stealing gas, but is the charger dbags that obtuse?
Usually if the car doors are locked the charge cable is locked into the car as well. As soon as you unplug the cable a new session starts, just like a gas pump 🍻
On most DC fast charger/Super Chargers they have idling fees, meaning if you just leave your car plugged in after it is full you get charged for hogging the charger. Tesla charges .50 a minute if the site is 50%+ full and $1 a min if the site is 100% full if you sit there for more than 5 mins not charging but plugged in. I know Electrify America just started doing it too but they are too lenient and give you a 10 min grace period and only charge you .40 a min.
Was there a once in the winter time 30 years ago? And it's neat, they used food dying to paint artwork on the frozen falls. Plus on Canada side they have a ripleys museum
So newer electric cars can do, say 20% to 80% charge in only 15 minutes ? That's fantastic ! Here in Europe, a petrol stop is about a 5 minute event ( smaller, less busy petrol stations ). So only an extra 10 minutes is very doable. Thanks for showing us Niagra Falls at night. It looks fantastic !
How far will that 80% charge take you as opposed to a full tank of fuel? What if the charging stations are full or faulty? If the charging station is full your "10" minutes could be pretty long.
Despite the hate on the model 3, they do solve that range problem, and the fast charging. I’m in DFW Texas, and recently got a deal on a 2 year old model 3 performance. and fit and finish is great, performance is awesome, and 250kwh charging is SO fast. Not a fanboy at all, I hate how closed Tesla is, and can’t buy parts, right to repair, etc. sure it’s not free super charging, but I been charging at home 100% for the last 5 months, and just did 1 road trip, and experienced the amazing Buc-ee’s chargers with 32 stalls! It was amazing. And crazy fast. 15 minutes took me from 30% to 80%.
@@WatchJRGo ok wasn’t 100% sure how that would work since I have a couple of EZPass-compatible transponders and I can transfer them from car to car as needed. I only ever had to make other toll payment arrangements in CA earlier this year.
People just say the most random, ignorant, weird things when it comes to EVs. Do you regularly change the basement on your house? Because that's about how usual it is to replace a battery pack on an EV.
I own a tesla but you guys are delusional. How many miles until you have to change an engine on a toyota highlander? Also how much does it cost to change the engine in a highlander (if you ever even need to) versus the cost of changing a model x battery? Come on, i love my tesla and i know what im giving up for loving it, lets not kid ourselves
You are 100% correct about the charging limit of older cars: a 2016 Model X can only reach 120kW DC. Anything newer than 2019 can reach 250kW, albeit for limited timeframes since the input rate is so high. But, going from 18% SOC to 80% on V3 technology is going to be much faster than what you're seeing.
That exactly what I was seeing when I had A&B to myself or was on a V3... with about 66kW when sharing. The time savings with charging at 250kW are massive on a trip like this! 🍻
@@WatchJRGo Its the faster charging at 250 KW/H from 5 to 45 and then the charging goes down linearly to about 125 when at 80%. So there is clearly a charging curve and it is an area where Tesla is good but there is more space for improvement also
I made two trips from OH to Wichita and OKC this summer, both times in a Tesla. It added a good two hours verses gas and I had to learn to just trust the navigation and charging duration. Also, finishing a trip driving through the Flint Hills is hard to beat.
Great video as always. I still love my Model 3 Performance though. It's the perfect companion to my V10 Excursion and V8 M5. Honestly, I thought the Tesla was going to be my second car, but lately I've been driving my gas cars, only to keep the battery charged and not dry up the seals. The Tesla has been the better daily in my case.
Charge time is ridiculous making a multi-state trip horrendous. I do 700+ miles a day that would be impossible with one of these without driving through the night to account for all that down time.
honestly go price and drive a base model 3/Y. the value is insane. you get every amazing feature you just mentioned about the x/s but at a significantly more affordable price. we are 2 months in with my wife's model y and 2 road trips down and its been nothing but phenominal.
I have self drive on my NG HS ( UK).. But I always have to have my hand on the wheel making micro adjustments or it switches off after 1 minute. Such a shame because it's great. And has never faulted.
I've seen at least 5 of these long-trip EV videos now and yep, you had the same experience that everyone else does. People love their city-driving Tesla so much they are willing to give the long trip a shot! By the end they all say they'd never do it again. They look cool, they're fast, and the tech is good. They will just simply not replace gas engines until they can drive 400 miles on a charge and take 10 minutes to re-charge. What would this trip look like/cost in a hybrid? I've not seen that video yet.
A long trip in a plug in hybrid is going to look like a regular gas car trip. This is mostly because most hybrids only have about 30-40 miles range on all electric mode. They don't have fast charging capability like full EVs. Its unreasonable to imagine someone would want to stop every 30 miles and level 2 "slow charge" them, hence they will just run on the gas engine for the rest of the trip.
@@Alejandro-ut4up That is pretty much accurate. As a Hybrid driver for several years now, I regularly do 360 / 400 mile trips and what you find is that the battery pack regenerates as you drive and you both use and regenerate traction battery power as you go. When I arrive I often have a fully charged traction battery due to regen charging and driving in pure EV mode is still available. The whole point of a Hybrid is to use both fuel and electric to suit your trip. Personally, I never get less than 50 mpg overall, often seeing 65 mpg. The small traction battery does limit total EV range but that is the whole point. Driven reasonably, you get the benefits of both when you need them and can run pure EV in congested or urban areas where pollution is at its worst. My car is a diesel hybrid SUV which I don't think is available in the US but it is about 5 - 10% more efficient than its ICE equivalent in real conditions. AND, no playing EV charger roulette, as ICE is always available - as is gas stations with canopies. EVs have their place but long road trips isn't one of them yet. The highest estimated range I have seen on my car is 680 miles. 400 miles is a dawdle and I get to choose where and when I stop or not.
I'm new to Tesla, have a Y/LR now for 4 months and I LOVE taking it on road trips. Where Tesla majorly falls down is not educating folks on road tripping efficiently. You don't just rely on the navigator recommendations. Make more stops for 10-15 minutes each, try to recharge at 10-15% and go to no more than around 60% since charging slows way down the higher you charge, pick V3 chargers if you can (dumb navigator just picks slower ones even if a V3 is within range a bit sooner or later). Also, you DON'T save much money via supercharging. But charging at home is 3-4x cheaper than gas. I much prefer my Tesla to our Honda CRV for trips by a long shot.
@civwar64bob77 nope. Depends on where you live and what kind of gas vehicle you drive. Electricity is 38 cents per kwh at my house. Tesla goes 2.5m per kwh. That's 40kwh to go 100 miles or a little over $15. Now do the same in a Honda accord hybrid or any vehicle that's gets over 40 mpg. ICE is much cheaper unless you are comparing it to a gas guzzler or you live in a area with cheap electricity.. which won't be cheap for long.
When the Nano Diamond Battery is ready for direct replacement in any electric vehicle, you will never need a charging station. NDB has a half life of 10,000 years and you never need to charge it. Game changer!
Great video John.👍 FYI on our family road trips our fuel stops average about 5 minutes, I detest stopping on road trips, I can definitely see EVs are not for me!😂
Originally they said it was, the vehicle price was supposed to offset the Supercharging cost for the life of the car. Then they went back on everything as the number of cars skyrocketed. I doubt it was ever sustainable but it's a non-issue now, the perk has been dead for 5 years 🔋
You want to charge hop and not charge above 60% and arrive at chargers around 10%. Once you get closer to the charger you plan on using and you have excess charge then burn it off by driving faster
I don't think Tesla fell off, they wanted to make a more affordable car which normally is a money maker for a car company. For Toyota, it's the Corolla, not the 4Runner. A lot of the, this was suppose to come out on X date was because Elon way over promised, but mainly in concerns of timeframes. They had unlimited supercharging as an early incitive (as other things which they took away), since they are so popular now, no reason to waste money basically company wise. It's great to have unlimited supercharging, but with the charging speeds and the limited mile on the older Tesla doesn't make it a really sound daily. Enjoyed the video though
Question: What is the Tesla Charger “Etiquette”? For example, if you need a 20 minutes charge but decide to have lunch in the proverbial Applebee’s and that takes say 45 mins.. is that a cool thing to do? Or are Tesla people expected to pretty much leave when full of power? Always wondered how this worked. Thanks and Great Video!!!!
I love my tesla 2018 Model 3 but I didn't buy from tesla I bought from my dad in the car business and btw tesla is the number one seller in America right now!
charging to 100% is a mistake while you are on a road trip. The time to charge from 5% to 80% is the same amount of time to 80% to 100%. I took a trip to FLA from NJ, and never sat more than 25 minutes. Staying at a charger for 1 hour is your own fault.
One bad thing I've noticed at EV chaging stations is the lack of canopies. In hot weather you have the sun beating down on you while waitingfor the car to charge. If it's raining or snowing you get drenched or frozen hooking the car up. Almost every regular gas station has a canopy.
Totally agree, in California the early superchargers had canopies... but canopies cost a ton to build so it makes sense that it's not a thing. Maybe one day when the gas pumps are dwindling we'll have our creature comforts back 🍻
@@WatchJRGo That'le be the day! That's when ALL of the ICE stations have to convert to electric.🤣😳
@@WatchJRGoWith companies like Porsche, and Shell working on much cleaner burning synthetic fuels for ICE cars, and Hydrogen also very slowly starting to catch on, I doubt gas stations will have anything to fear for a long time to come.
They should use solar panels as canopies. Keep the cars cool and add clean energy into the mix.
@@CommodoreFan64hydrogen is not catching on, and is basically an EV with extras steps… there are a total of less then 20 filling stations in the entire country and all of them are in California, with one in Hawaii..
Having done similar trips, it’s better to “charger hop.” Arrive as close to 0% then get just enough juice to get to the next one. Since EVs charge quicker at the low end of the battery, it speeds the trip up substantially.
I don't understand the hate for the Model 3. It's an electric car from Tesla that is more affordable to the average consumer. Not everyone can afford $80K-$100+K E cars.
Fair call.
Try driving one, you’ll change your mind. They’re built like shit and cost too much for what you’re getting.
@@Powersproductions130 Yep, the tech is great but the fit and finish leaves a lot to be desired in a car costing that much.
I drive a 2021 M3 fit and finish is better than most German premium vehicles although mine is a MIC model.
@@daveblack5109 I am well aware of that. The same can be said for MOST American brands. The cheaper the vehicle, the worse the fit and finish will be. Sad, but true.
I’ve recently purchased a 1993 Lincoln Town Car. 80 miles an hour, with the AC blowing for a full tank of gas. 26 miles to the gallon. Yeah and it’s as comfy as you think.
I'm not the biggest Ford fan, but I fully admit 90's Lincoln, and even things like Mercury Cougars, and Ford Crown Vics in good condition are some really comfy cars for long trips, and the fuel mileage ain't as bad as most would think, as I had an 03 Ford Ranger Edge I was only able to squeak about 20 Mpg babying the throttle on a long road trip.
I’ve owned nice gas cars. I still prefer road tripping in my model S.
We have a 2022 Nissan Leaf Plus, 228 miles per charge. The range is horrible on highway road trips. Roughly 110 miles per charge.
So you add 15 hrs to your drive time just charging to your trip
You’ll learn as you start to learn the car better, but the approach you took to charger longer and stop less probably added a couple hours to your trip. I normally edit teslas existing plan with shorter more frequent stops and can save a bunch of time and really optimize the charging curve
The Model Y was top selling car in the world. Hard to say they lost their way.
Nah, GM is leading the way in EV's. Just ask Mary.
@@Sonny_Vthat’s funny
My sentiments exactly
I live in the Midwest and have been saying fir years that we need 350 mile EVs.
All I ever heard is that no one needs over 75 miles on an EV and that no one drives over 50 miles a day.
Those people have no touch with reality.
I tell them that in the Midwest we do a lot of travel on highways and interstates. That kills the range on an EV and then add in Winter.
I need a truck that can do many things, including towing. I want an EV truck but for now it does not work out.
I wanted the New Silverado EV until I saw the specs and prices.
I honestly want an EV truck but I simply can't afford it.
Maybe when tech gets better and prices come down.
I can't see paying as much for a truck as my home mortgage and then have it wear out in 10 to 15 years.
If I get one , it will get used.
I have a 21 Tesla model Y and I’ve done some traveling with it. It has 320+ miles of range which makes a huge difference. I’m glad you noted that stopping for gas does take time, though obviously not as much. Personally, I think it’s kind of fun to deal with the EV nerdiness of the whole charging , mileage stops, etc. After a while, you learn things like only stopping at the 250 chargers. I’ve rarely had a issues with re-calculating the charging stops. Usually it’s pretty quick. As you guessed, MCU2 is better and faster. Overall, I thought you gave a pretty objective summation of what it’s like to travel long distances with a Tesla, EV. For me I like it and I’m probably never going back to an ICE car.
I drove from Pennsylvania to Florida in a rented model 3 long range and it was enjoyable. Especially since they charge extremely fast. Older ones are limited. Don’t get the hate with the 3 since it’s affordable for most. They do need quality control though.
My 2012 Camry hybrid gives me over 500 miles before fill ups, and I can fill my 17 gallon tank in under 15 minutes even when washing the bugs off my windshield.
Hybrid is the way to go.
I live in Michigan and have zero issue with the23 Chevy Bolt EUV. Sure the charging speed is slower but I am not in a hurry and it fits my life style. I do really like the 24 Kona that is coming out.
Sorry I’ll stick with Touareg Hybrid that gets me 600 miles of range. My time is worth something. Pay no attention to the fact that I need tires every 15to20k and it only takes premium 😂
My time is worth something too, that’s why I chose a Model 3. On the occasional road-trip, the time saved all the nights my car charged while I slept more than makes up for it. Do the math for all the times you have to stop for gas, it adds up.
First, I love my 2019 Model 3...best car I have ever had. Second, I also have a 2019 Model X with free supercharging and I've taken it from Maine to California and back with my whole family on one massive road trip. That's 7 of us (my wife and I and 5 kids). Yes, it takes longer than a gas car, but your strategy of charging to 100% is much slower. Your old X has a smaller pack and slower charging. Best strategy? Charge only enough to get to about 50%, then use it down to 5% or less...this optimizes the charge curve and you only spend 15-20 minutes to charge. Always plan on going to V3 stations, as it's much quicker and no charge-sharing, as you mentioned. More frequent stops, but you'll ultimately get to your destination quicker. Not sure why you hate the 3 and the Y so much, but I love mine!
Not free to repair , all costs matter.
And the reason why I will not buy an EV. 30 min stops compared to gas stops, don't kid yourself, my car has a 22-gallon tank, no more than 12 min filling up and normally less than 8min (who drives till really empty?), I did time this over 2 weeks. Most of your stops were closer to an hour. Right now, I think it's a joke for a long ride, ICE cars are better for this in long trips.
Keep in mind, it took over 40 years for the ICE/Gas cars infrastructure to be built up. EVs have been around someplace around 10-15 years now. (before mainstream, EVs have been around for years but, not public with major brands making them). Standardization to Tesla connections is a good starting point(there is not a standard, needing to keep adapters in most cars), in about 10 years, all this stuff will be standard and mainstream. If you can FAST charge from 10-80 in less than 15min, then you're going head-to-head with ICE cars but, they will not be everywhere and a good distance in-between them.
Personally, with how the charging network works, I don't think they are ready for everyone to move to a EV...
You did that 30 hr trip by yourself.
Try putting wife and kids in the car. It would involve extra hotel stops and food costs. I've got an E Class Mercedes Diesel with a 900 mile tank range. Doesn't take me 15 minutes to fill up if I'm by myself. I do 4 x 2800 mile 2 way trips a year. I hotel stop in each direction. Given the cost of super charging in my country, fossil fuels are cheaper for long distance.
When JR said it takes 15 min to fuel, I was thinking what they heck is he fueling? I think electric car owners just say those kind of crazy times so they dont feel bad for how long it takes to charge their batteries.
I don't know about anyone else but, my gas stops, I've driven North to South and South to North cross country are at max 10 mins, that's with a bathroom break. 30 mins for gas is ridiculous, unless it's a cheap station like Sam's or Costco but, when you're on the road, you pay extra for the convenience of stations near the route.
Sorry, until they release the Capacitor tech that not only allows for extended range, like a gas vehicle, 400 to 500 miles a charge and quick charging, 5 to 10 mins, EV's are only a good commuter and nothing else.
EV's are just not practical for rural areas. In Western Kansas there are 5 charging stations and 3 out of the 5 are on I-70. In my car I could drive all the way from Scott City to Wichita and halfway back to Scott City before I had to get gas. In a Tesla I'd be charging in Great Bend just to get to Wichita then I'd have to charge in Wichita and then charge again in Great Bend on the way home.
Electric cars at this point are for people in coastal cities or old people who drive to church and the grocery store. A guy like you living in Kansas is not the demo.
California PG&E is between .44 and .55 cents per Kw. not so cheap here
I guess Tesla pays commercial electric rates for its chargers then, as my charges were 40-45 cents between SLO and Red Bluff.
It’s .27 cents here, Bay Area. Off peak hours.
I actually disagree with a lot you’re saying. The model 3 revolutionized Tesla and what made it into the brand it is today (they made a fortune on it). Also, I just turned my MYP in and got a 2023 Model S LR with full steering wheel. The Model S isn’t dead, the quality is very refined this year. It is still a big head turner, folks are constantly wanting to talk to me about. No one cared when I had a Model Y.
I am more inclined to accept some Tesla flaws for the charging network and tech experience. I test drove a Lucid Air Pure, which was actually cheaper than the Model S. But the tech was awful, and the EA charging network is a joke.
Hydrogen is the answer seen a guy the other day that got a LS3 running on pure Hydrogen. Better then throwing 100 years of engineering in the bin and making all new vehicles. If a guy in he's garage can do it manufacturers definitely can.
So what you are saying is if you drive an electric car long distances, you 'll be eating a lot. Maybe that's why the Model Ys look like they stuck and "air hose in the Mdl 3 and it popped."
I still have faith in my fellow American. I don't know how long the manufacturers are willing to let their over priced EV's just sit and rot because We don't want to be told what can and can't drive. If my only choice was a New EV Or a used ICE I'm sticking with my ICE.
Amen 😌
Amen again!
That’s the beauty of America, nobody’s telling you what to drive. I chose a Model 3 and don’t see myself ever driving an ICE car. To each their own.
When you have a balloon payment of $23,000 for a new battery after 100,000 miles looming over you like a dark cloud, it makes the little you save seem like nothing.
Your videos are never too long.
That is some gorgeous footage of Niagra Falls!
A helpful hint to anyone taking the Maid of the Mist tour, I went on day one, then a coworker showed up the next day and wanted to go on a tour. I instructed Marcus to follow me. I took my shoes and socks off, tied the laces and draped over my shoulder. The mist runs straight down the supplied jackets, and straight into your shoes, if you’re taller than the jacket. Several people wished they followed my lead, on the boat.
I absolutely want to go back and do that, it was already closed when I got there, the video shows the last tour out 🍻
Twos born is correct. Their ponchos funnel all of the water right down into your shoes. Also it gets very windy close to the falls so if you bring anything with you make sure to hold on to it. If you go to the Canada side you can go in the tunnels in the falls and also a Jet boat ride in the rapids that come after the falls.
Or you can be a true American and wear camo crocs!
i did an estimate to drive from vegas to tampa, and it was 18 charger stops. 30 min each average to charge, or about 8 extra hours on a road trip. EVs are not mainstream for long road trips.
I wonder if Tesla's routing also considers other people's charging stops/activity during your planned stops. Like if it would bounce you to the next charger down the line if a certain one would maybe be full up.
Idk, may have some impact on how long the route updates.
The navigation shows you if the next Tesla supercharger is busy and if it is worth moving onto the next charger.
I was rerouted to a different charge once, because the original one was experiencing high usage.
how is it free charging for life I thought it wasn't transferable
Honestly, I think PHEVs are the way to go. Best of both worlds. All electric for the commute if it isn't too far, and then the convienence of not having to find chargers but gas stations on trips.
I just wish they'd have a little more range (for the ones that weren't designed from the ground up as one, i.e. Volt). Cayenne plug-in hybrid, for example, only gets 15 miles on all battery :(
Double drivelines and little range..i disagree
Not really. Charging isn't worth it for those few kms they offer, and you carry extra weight.
Faster charging and most of all only charging until the charging speed slows down is the way to go. Do not charge until full, unless you have a ton of time and don't mind wearing out the battery.
My concern with hybrid is that you have now two types of vehicle technology to maintain and repair. I’m not at all saying to stay away. It’s just a calculation per person of which risk to take. They’ll all work great and they’ll all fail miserably hehe
I think the only reasonable use case for a PHEV is for those that live in rural areas. In other words, areas that have little public charging infrastructure. They can have EV range for their daily commutes, and then refill with gas when they need to go on long trips.
I have to disagree on model 3, I have OG 2018 model 3 dual motor, best daily I’ve had almost 100k miles that only needed front control arms and tires. New model 3 highland is massively improved, it’s their bread and butter car, like bmw 3er to bmw.
Charging higher than the suggestion always adds time to the trip, even if you manage to reduce the number of stops
I only let 2-3 stops charge 15-20 minutes longer than the car said it needed to continue the trip 🍻
The Model X charging on your car is slower then the 3/Y. You need to goto the 2019+ for equal charge speed.
Charging past 70% is just wasting time.
Having owned a 2018 Model S 85 and a 2016 Model S P85+ with dual onboard chargers $10k upgrade to 20kw… I can say the fastest I’ve ever charged was around 300 mph but it slowed down after 20 to 225 and then again at 30 150 and 40 to 58 or so… then they changed their algorithm around Sep 2019 and it’s remained about the same… get people in and out in 20 minutes… charge as fast as it can (shared is divided power), they they de-incentivize you (want you gone) by killing your charge rate to have every 10 minutes. A full charge literally took over 5 hours.
Bottom line
You cannot win. You will experience approximately 70% of the Tesla estimates for milage. If you charge longer it will just recalculate and you’ll experience a longer trip every time. My Tesla’s both had free super charging. Saved about 10k in fuel at about 5k hours of charging over 5 years 😢…. Basically your trade your life for less cash output to the oil company…
Compensate by working in those hours somewhat offsets the deficiencies but not in overall health and quality of life. You’ll be married to the charging network and your sex life will suffer 😢
a full tank on a real car is 5 minutes or so
Definitely don't agree with the M3/MY hate. They're perfectly good cars that are actually affordable to a broader consumer base, which makes Tesla more money, and thus is a good business strategy. Tesla never intended to be an exotic car company for only the 1%. The MY is literally the best selling car in the world...of any type. Personally, the MX is my dream car, but they're just too expensive. There's a 2016 near me with only 17K miles on it, so I'm tempted, but it's also completely out of warranty.
I absolutely love my model 3. 100,000kms and counting.
Everyone I know that has a model 3 loves it. Never heard any of them regret getting it and they all went from gas cars to total EV. I have an VW EV and plan to get a 3 next year.
@@oregonziggy2391the model 3 hate comes usually from non-owners I think. Or people who downgraded from a S/X and somehow expected the same feeling for half the price. As a car, the 3 doesn’t have any major issues brought up in its currently 5th year run.
You prepay for the gas savings in the price of the car compared to real comp vehicles
What an absolute nightmare to do a long road trip in a Tesla. I'd rather pay for fuel and not have such major inconvenience.
It’s not really a nightmare in my opinion….I have free SuperCharging in my 2013 Model S 85 with 420km range. Paying upwards of $160 -$170 for one tank of gas in my truck now seems like a nightmare and a ridiculous waste of money. However, I will admit on a road trip charging takes 30-45 minutes for each stop. It’s better to road trip in the Tesla when on vacation and there is no time restraints or deadlines. Yes, I know someone is saying wait till I need to buy a new EV battery…well my car already has a new EV battery with 4 year warranty. I don’t plan to keep it that long and next owner should get some warranty too.
Not talking about the cost. Stopping anywhere in the country with a petrol station and taking 5min to fill up VS being forced to stop only where there is a charger and wait 30min to an hour or longer each charge. Yep, nightmare on a long road trip@@craignoble899
Teslas are actually really good road trip cars. They practically do everything for you. Charging stops aren’t that bad.
You haven't seen Niagra Falls until you see it on the Canadian side. Take the tunnels under the falls, it's awsome!
For you, JR, I really think this might work - because while waiting on the charge, you can edit your videos.
As long as your computer has power.
Regardless, EVs are not great for towing, and on some road trips you really need to tow your new projects.
Moreover, sometimes you just need to get to your destination - and it is there where EVs lose some ground, and this "old" EV loses due to its limiting range.
Or you could just drive a gasoline powered vehicle.
18:35, the power box is actually called a super charger v3 cabinet and the other cabinet where you get the charging cable from is called a post
ideal car i need a pit stop every 1to 2hrs.
Every girl I know LOVES having to stop every 2 hours and they would appreciate this... I like to stop every 3-4 hours 🍻
I drove from Sydney to Melbourne nearly non stop when I had a Honda Accord. 900km/560miles or so. My bladder filled before the tank emptied, had to stop after 8 hours 😂
Wait, isn't it dumb to try to reduce the number of charging stops? The last few percent take ages... more shorter stops will greatly reduce the waiting time.
Awesome video- glad to see that Rich’s old car wasn’t sabotaged by rich!
The 3 and Y are what saved tge company. New Highland 3 is night and day better than old 3.
I like the long videos WJRG, especially when the content is solid. I have to say EVs at the moment are more for local travel. Imagine if you were a 9 to 5 person, you would have to program a day or two from your vacation just for charging, now add young kids to the mix and you have recipe for stress. What was wrong with the Tesla heading for the tow truck? Could it have been the battery? Awesome video.
I’ve driven 8hours journey several times this year with an model Y two of them with a small camper on the towbar..its a long journey car for sure..you have to eat and the car is ready when you are
Niagara Falls is one of my favorite places in the world. I am super happy you were able to experience it! It is such an incredible place. Next time try to get there so you can go to cave of the winds and also ride maid of the mist. Both awesome experiences
Your charging is not free if you are spending $50.00 each time you stop.
I'd venture to say I was going to eat and grab a drink anyway, usually less than $10 for a water and a snack 🍔
You went into a mall and only spent $10.00? you have more restraint than I.@@WatchJRGo
I also noticed your going through erie Pennsylvania. Waldameer park and water world is a great little family owned amusement park you should check out. Erie pa is my hometown and lots to do there.
I still get real John delorean vibes from Tesla. Like there's stuff happening in the background. Also Tesla would be screwed if they had to prove they had capacity to build what they promise before they can take deposits
If you knew the culture in the Fremont Tesla plant, you would understand why they are put together like a YUGO.
I’m running out & getting my EV today! I can’t wait to load up the kids, the dog, & the wife & turn my 10 hour drive back home to Grandmas house into a two day trip from hell punctuated with hour long charging stops every 2 hours!!! Fathers will be blowing gaskets & dropping dead at charging stations all over the country.
Back in the day, you could be on the verge of blowing out a kidney & Dad would say, “We just stopped 5 hours ago & I don’t need gas for another 100 miles. YOU CAN HOLD IT!!”
This sucks. I went MD to way down in FL. 2 stops in my mazda 3. Almost 600 miles to each tank!
My wife and daughter took our Tesla Model S on a 3,500 mile roadtrip last summer and they had a great experience where they planned most of their stops around meal times and they really enjoyed the more relaxed pace vs. my usual Cannonball Run style with "splash and dash" gas stops
If you have time to kill I think it’s a great experience… but when you want to get somewhere like we do, it’s not the way 😂
Agreed we took a friends Model X on a 1500 mile road trip and had a great time. Same we planned charging as best we could around meals and or bathroom breaks or just the need for a get out and stretch break.
At 16:45, I know that place. it's the supercharging station at the Meijer grocery store in Richmond, IN.
"We need 10x more super chargers" NOOO We need an electrical grid in this country that can support the demand if we get more electric cars on the road.
I saw my city! Independence, MO! That’s probably the one at the Cable Dahmer arena.
New to the concept of EV charging, if someone is hogging the charger, can you either just unplug their car for being a dbag, or add a charger extension and charge your car on their dime? That’s like stealing gas, but is the charger dbags that obtuse?
You can not unplug any car while plugged in because the car has a locking mechanism so the charging port can not be pulled out
Usually if the car doors are locked the charge cable is locked into the car as well. As soon as you unplug the cable a new session starts, just like a gas pump 🍻
If someone is hogging the supercharger cable, and you unplug them, you still can't get your car into that spot anyways
On most DC fast charger/Super Chargers they have idling fees, meaning if you just leave your car plugged in after it is full you get charged for hogging the charger. Tesla charges .50 a minute if the site is 50%+ full and $1 a min if the site is 100% full if you sit there for more than 5 mins not charging but plugged in. I know Electrify America just started doing it too but they are too lenient and give you a 10 min grace period and only charge you .40 a min.
Was there a once in the winter time 30 years ago? And it's neat, they used food dying to paint artwork on the frozen falls.
Plus on Canada side they have a ripleys museum
I wish every RUclipsr was as honest as John Ross! Refreshing to the max!
9:08 - Come to Europe . WE all have CCS2 connectors here, and it's needed because we use 230V.
So newer electric cars can do, say 20% to 80% charge in only 15 minutes ? That's fantastic ! Here in Europe, a petrol stop is about a 5 minute event ( smaller, less busy petrol stations ). So only an extra 10 minutes is very doable. Thanks for showing us Niagra Falls at night. It looks fantastic !
thing is those EVs with fast charging are expenssive. I dont think you can get fast charging for under 40-50k euro car
When I'm road tripping here in the US, a gas stop is usually 3-4 minutes. I don't go inside, just pay at the pump and go!
@@05Forenza+ you will loose money just going into the shops. 1 Hour is crazy to wait.
How far will that 80% charge take you as opposed to a full tank of fuel?
What if the charging stations are full or faulty?
If the charging station is full your "10" minutes could be pretty long.
Our Model 3 can get 100 miles of range in about 8 minutes when you start at about 20%.
Despite the hate on the model 3, they do solve that range problem, and the fast charging. I’m in DFW Texas, and recently got a deal on a 2 year old model 3 performance. and fit and finish is great, performance is awesome, and 250kwh charging is SO fast. Not a fanboy at all, I hate how closed Tesla is, and can’t buy parts, right to repair, etc. sure it’s not free super charging, but I been charging at home 100% for the last 5 months, and just did 1 road trip, and experienced the amazing Buc-ee’s chargers with 32 stalls! It was amazing. And crazy fast. 15 minutes took me from 30% to 80%.
Video wasn't too long, good trip good length.
How are you/did you pay for those tolls on the Mass Pike and other northeastern toll roads? I know Kansas Turnpike isn’t compatible with EZPass.
Just call the number 🍻
@@WatchJRGo ok wasn’t 100% sure how that would work since I have a couple of EZPass-compatible transponders and I can transfer them from car to car as needed. I only ever had to make other toll payment arrangements in CA earlier this year.
Rich is the man .👍👍
Normal gas stop is 15 minutes???
No, but after 200 miles a 15 minutes break is acceptable and modern Teslas like 3/y charge 200 miles in 15 minutes.
lol at your pronunciation of Terre Haute
Good real video, now buy a Tesla from uncle Rich in January and drive home. That would be an amazing video!
A much longer drive home 😳
When it becomes time to replace those batteries you will make up for the money you think your saving !!
What in 250k miles? Kinda like replacing an engine? Grow up
People just say the most random, ignorant, weird things when it comes to EVs. Do you regularly change the basement on your house? Because that's about how usual it is to replace a battery pack on an EV.
Honestly some of these are on original batteries at 600k miles
Is the confident ignorance something you have to work at, or just natural intellectual sloth?
I own a tesla but you guys are delusional. How many miles until you have to change an engine on a toyota highlander? Also how much does it cost to change the engine in a highlander (if you ever even need to) versus the cost of changing a model x battery? Come on, i love my tesla and i know what im giving up for loving it, lets not kid ourselves
I don't know where you get gas but I never had to wait 30 minutes to fill my vehicle with gas. You can have your EV cars!!!
You are 100% correct about the charging limit of older cars: a 2016 Model X can only reach 120kW DC. Anything newer than 2019 can reach 250kW, albeit for limited timeframes since the input rate is so high.
But, going from 18% SOC to 80% on V3 technology is going to be much faster than what you're seeing.
That exactly what I was seeing when I had A&B to myself or was on a V3... with about 66kW when sharing. The time savings with charging at 250kW are massive on a trip like this! 🍻
@@WatchJRGo Its the faster charging at 250 KW/H from 5 to 45 and then the charging goes down linearly to about 125 when at 80%. So there is clearly a charging curve and it is an area where Tesla is good but there is more space for improvement also
I made two trips from OH to Wichita and OKC this summer, both times in a Tesla. It added a good two hours verses gas and I had to learn to just trust the navigation and charging duration. Also, finishing a trip driving through the Flint Hills is hard to beat.
Great video as always. I still love my Model 3 Performance though. It's the perfect companion to my V10 Excursion and V8 M5. Honestly, I thought the Tesla was going to be my second car, but lately I've been driving my gas cars, only to keep the battery charged and not dry up the seals. The Tesla has been the better daily in my case.
Charge time is ridiculous making a multi-state trip horrendous. I do 700+ miles a day that would be impossible with one of these without driving through the night to account for all that down time.
honestly go price and drive a base model 3/Y. the value is insane. you get every amazing feature you just mentioned about the x/s but at a significantly more affordable price. we are 2 months in with my wife's model y and 2 road trips down and its been nothing but phenominal.
The best part of Niagra Falls to me? That air. Man, everywhere within a distance of the falls always smells so refreshing.
It was amazing, the mist was cool too! 💯
15 stops!!!! oh hell no!!!! I'll keep the Prius!
The Prius is the best roadtrip car ever built, my Volt does well too 💯
I have self drive on my NG HS ( UK).. But I always have to have my hand on the wheel making micro adjustments or it switches off after 1 minute. Such a shame because it's great. And has never faulted.
I've seen at least 5 of these long-trip EV videos now and yep, you had the same experience that everyone else does. People love their city-driving Tesla so much they are willing to give the long trip a shot! By the end they all say they'd never do it again. They look cool, they're fast, and the tech is good. They will just simply not replace gas engines until they can drive 400 miles on a charge and take 10 minutes to re-charge. What would this trip look like/cost in a hybrid? I've not seen that video yet.
A long trip in a plug in hybrid is going to look like a regular gas car trip. This is mostly because most hybrids only have about 30-40 miles range on all electric mode. They don't have fast charging capability like full EVs. Its unreasonable to imagine someone would want to stop every 30 miles and level 2 "slow charge" them, hence they will just run on the gas engine for the rest of the trip.
Nonsense. We drive regularly many hundreds of kilometers through Europe as do many hundreds of thousand other people.
DEATH TO FOSSIL!
@@Alejandro-ut4up That is pretty much accurate. As a Hybrid driver for several years now, I regularly do 360 / 400 mile trips and what you find is that the battery pack regenerates as you drive and you both use and regenerate traction battery power as you go. When I arrive I often have a fully charged traction battery due to regen charging and driving in pure EV mode is still available. The whole point of a Hybrid is to use both fuel and electric to suit your trip. Personally, I never get less than 50 mpg overall, often seeing 65 mpg. The small traction battery does limit total EV range but that is the whole point. Driven reasonably, you get the benefits of both when you need them and can run pure EV in congested or urban areas where pollution is at its worst. My car is a diesel hybrid SUV which I don't think is available in the US but it is about 5 - 10% more efficient than its ICE equivalent in real conditions. AND, no playing EV charger roulette, as ICE is always available - as is gas stations with canopies.
EVs have their place but long road trips isn't one of them yet. The highest estimated range I have seen on my car is 680 miles. 400 miles is a dawdle and I get to choose where and when I stop or not.
I'm new to Tesla, have a Y/LR now for 4 months and I LOVE taking it on road trips. Where Tesla majorly falls down is not educating folks on road tripping efficiently. You don't just rely on the navigator recommendations. Make more stops for 10-15 minutes each, try to recharge at 10-15% and go to no more than around 60% since charging slows way down the higher you charge, pick V3 chargers if you can (dumb navigator just picks slower ones even if a V3 is within range a bit sooner or later). Also, you DON'T save much money via supercharging. But charging at home is 3-4x cheaper than gas. I much prefer my Tesla to our Honda CRV for trips by a long shot.
@civwar64bob77 nope. Depends on where you live and what kind of gas vehicle you drive. Electricity is 38 cents per kwh at my house. Tesla goes 2.5m per kwh. That's 40kwh to go 100 miles or a little over $15. Now do the same in a Honda accord hybrid or any vehicle that's gets over 40 mpg. ICE is much cheaper unless you are comparing it to a gas guzzler or you live in a area with cheap electricity.. which won't be cheap for long.
When the Nano Diamond Battery is ready for direct replacement in any electric vehicle, you will never need a charging station. NDB has a half life of 10,000 years and you never need to charge it.
Game changer!
Great video John.👍 FYI on our family road trips our fuel stops average about 5 minutes, I detest stopping on road trips, I can definitely see EVs are not for me!😂
Do you think free supercharging is sustainable?
Originally they said it was, the vehicle price was supposed to offset the Supercharging cost for the life of the car. Then they went back on everything as the number of cars skyrocketed. I doubt it was ever sustainable but it's a non-issue now, the perk has been dead for 5 years 🔋
Worse yet, we don’t have the electrical generating capacity in this country to charge all these cars.
You want to charge hop and not charge above 60% and arrive at chargers around 10%. Once you get closer to the charger you plan on using and you have excess charge then burn it off by driving faster
I don't think Tesla fell off, they wanted to make a more affordable car which normally is a money maker for a car company. For Toyota, it's the Corolla, not the 4Runner. A lot of the, this was suppose to come out on X date was because Elon way over promised, but mainly in concerns of timeframes. They had unlimited supercharging as an early incitive (as other things which they took away), since they are so popular now, no reason to waste money basically company wise. It's great to have unlimited supercharging, but with the charging speeds and the limited mile on the older Tesla doesn't make it a really sound daily. Enjoyed the video though
Question: What is the Tesla Charger “Etiquette”? For example, if you need a 20 minutes charge but decide to have lunch in the proverbial Applebee’s and that takes say 45 mins.. is that a cool thing to do? Or are Tesla people expected to pretty much leave when full of power? Always wondered how this worked. Thanks and Great Video!!!!
I live near a Tesla dealer. I cannot remember a time driving by the dealership when a Tesla wasn’t being dropped by a tow truck.
What happens during a hurricane in the south during and after evacuation when there could be no power for a week?
The thing is EV are much cheaper to run and use however I can always make more money but I can't make more time....
With EV you're screwed up front buying it! My cheap ass car plus all the gas will never equal 6 digits!
I love my tesla 2018 Model 3 but I didn't buy from tesla I bought from my dad in the car business and btw tesla is the number one seller in America right now!
Honestly I think I’d rather pay for gas than wait for a vehicle to charge.
I’d rather sleep while my car charges. Who road-trips everyday? Stopping for gas takes time and it too adds up
@@nsxt321 Come on. Takes literally 5 minutes to fill up in most cases. It’s not daily either. I fill up every other week.
My full battery EV (Vauxhall Mokka E) says 210 miles, but in reality I get 140-150, how much better is the Telsa at estimating range?
It is EXACTLY the same as your experience... I have the display set to rated range and the miles count down much slower than the range drops 😂
shhhh @@WatchJRGo - the Tesla team dedicated to covering that up will be after you (not seriously, but they seriously exist)
Stopping every 2.5 hours would drive me insane. I typically go 4 to 5 hours between stops.
I’ll stick with my Camry I get 600 mi and I only paid 28k for it
but only you exhaled CO2 so you must be eliminated
I am a NY resident between Cheektowaga and Erie Pa and you went right by my house on the 90