@@michamiszczuk5539 I won't lie, I think the track mode ESC certainly saved my bacon there, it was on and grabbing the brakes on the front wheels faster than I reacted. I also immediately got on the brake as well, I was pressing it as hard as humanly possible to try to lock the wheels and continue down the track instead of spearing into the wall. Sometimes I feel like it intervenes and throws a lot of weight in the front, making it oversteer worse than it otherwise would have done. But in this case I was grateful to have it on 🙏
The hardest part of catching a spin is knowing when to start turning back the other way before it catches and throws you head on into the tire barrier. Well done.
You worked well with Track Mode! Kept it right in the middle. I don't know how busy the track was for your session but be careful about being a slow object in the middle; either take the pit exit to gather yourself or at least pull off to one side with still some pace.
Thanks haha, yeah thankfully it was a really empty session and I had a clear track all around me for basically all of it. It was the last one of the day without anyone behind us, and the checkered was actually already waved at turn 7. I was hoping to bank the lap in so I was still pushing, I would have pulled into the pits since I spun in front of the pit entry anyway. But since we were the last people on track I decided to go around once more and do a cool down lap, because the car would have been really hot from the lap.
I see a checkered flag at 1:09 - so you spun after taking the checkered? That seems not great. Then you continued in the middle of the track extremely slowly after the spin, and also didn't go into the pits?
Admittedly I should have just cooled off the lap and pitted. But I explained in a different comment that this was the last session and there wouldn't have been another group waiting for us. I was on my fastest lap of the day and in my adrenaline rush I was hoping to push to the finish line and complete it instead of pitting. Maybe it wasn't the right thing to do. After the spin, I could have also gone into the pits, but the car would have been super hot, and I continued around for a cool down lap. We waved thanks to the flag marshalls having to wait for us to finish, but we were the last car on track for the whole day.
Dang dude, that was great reaction. You didn’t over correct and you felt when the tires started gripping again. That turn caught me on Gran Turismo 4 a few times.
Nice save. That happened to my brz on the track, too. Suddenly increased the slip angle when I do some small counter steers. Maybe the rear hit some bumps or the OEM setting I guess.
Looks like you got some lift off oversteer after the suspension unloaded. I bet a lot of keyboard warriors would have ended up in that tire wall. Great save!
Worst thing I ever did at the track was have Harry lap timer on my phone in plain sight! Totally distracted me, ended up crashing my S2000 Do it afterwards from the video if necessary ✌🏼 Also kudos to that great save!!😊
Good driving, it looks like stability control played a role in that save. Remember to try and keep your hands light on the steering, it looks like you were tensed up holding the wheel at a fixed angle and didn’t react when the car first started to rotate/slide after it went over the curb. When the car starts to rotate/slide you will feel it through the steering as a countersteer force. Keeping a light touch on the wheel will allow you to better feel this reversal of the forces in the steering and mean you can catch the slide a lot quicker and more safely. Keep it up! Looks like you are already a very good driver recovering from a big moment like that.
Thanks for the advice! Yeah I was certainly thankful for stability control. I agree, I should train my feeling of oversteer more. I was trying to aggressively "pitch" the car into the corner, but I don't think I had the right reaction to handle it stepping out where it did. At least here I was lucky to not over-correct and cause the car to snap to the left. In this corner I also felt the front tires were also being overloaded, I was wiggling the steering because I felt the front end not responding. I felt like both ends of the car were right on the edge of grip. In the end the rear stepped out, and the front wheels were also over the limit in that instant and couldn't hang on to the road. I keep thinking if only I had backed off a tiny bit or if I wasn't trying to rotate the car as much, I could've completed the lap haha 🥲
After watching the footage again in slow motion it looks like you are absolutely right. You were understeering slightly on corner entry, you neutralized it very nicely with throttle application and had the whole car at a good slip angle by the time you reached the apex. As you said this meant you were at the limit with both front and rear ends. Issue is that when you touched the curb on the inside it unsettled the car just enough to put you over the limit. It’s very easy for this to happen. Most of the time people spin in a rwd car it’s because of this. If the car is understeering it’s because the front end is over the limit of grip. Trying to neutralize it with throttle means you are now at or over the limit with both front and rear ends. This means whatever rotation and direction the car had at that point, it will continue on with very little control. It’s very difficult to balance the car on this limit between under and over steer. This is where a light tough on the wheel helps greatly. A cars steering will automatically assume the direction of travel. Watch some videos of pro drifters, when the car steps out into oversteer the only way to catch it is to let go of the wheel completely and let it assume the correct steering angle for the direction of travel. If you try to react, hold onto the steering wheel and get the correct counter steer by force it’s almost impossible. By keeping a light hold on the wheel and not tensing up you will feel the car floating between under and oversteer. You should be controlling the rotation with the pedals and listening to what it wants through the steering. The best advice I can offer is to be patient with understeer and allow the front to regain grip before trying to gain rotation on throttle. That’s the safest approach that will avoid a similar incident in future. Try to only exceed the limit of grip with one end of the car at a time. That way you can easily and safely explore the limits of grip and listen to the car through the steering while maintaining a reasonable level of control. I hope this helps 😄!!
I was in track mode, so TC was off but it still had some stability control active. And yeah I think I was lucky to not overreact, otherwise we would have been redirected off the track at a high speed 😬
Yeah a bit of both, I was pushing way harder on that lap and the car was heavily on the limit, I got up on the kerb and the rear end bounced loose. I was trying to transfer a lot of weight to the front as well to try to corner harder, but I think that meant there was not enough rear grip to corner at that speed (or at least not enough overhead to handle getting up on a kerb mid-corner).
Not sure if the rules are different there, but you need to slow down after taking the checkered flag. You shouldn't have been racing past that. Normally you start your cool down after the checkered flag and you potentially could have came up on some slow moving cars that were actually following the rules. Dangerous sitation, not smart.
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Dang! Nice save!
Bro got the caveman clap at the end
thats a powerful clap there
great save holy shit
More like saved by the systems
@@michamiszczuk5539 you would've crashed the car in that situation
@@James_Jackson27 maybe. maybe not. nothing to do with my comment. System flashing like crazy
@@michamiszczuk5539 I won't lie, I think the track mode ESC certainly saved my bacon there, it was on and grabbing the brakes on the front wheels faster than I reacted. I also immediately got on the brake as well, I was pressing it as hard as humanly possible to try to lock the wheels and continue down the track instead of spearing into the wall.
Sometimes I feel like it intervenes and throws a lot of weight in the front, making it oversteer worse than it otherwise would have done. But in this case I was grateful to have it on 🙏
@@denniscfeng Nice trick with the brakes. I didn't notice it. I thought you held the angle so well.
The hardest part of catching a spin is knowing when to start turning back the other way before it catches and throws you head on into the tire barrier. Well done.
You worked well with Track Mode! Kept it right in the middle.
I don't know how busy the track was for your session but be careful about being a slow object in the middle; either take the pit exit to gather yourself or at least pull off to one side with still some pace.
Thanks haha, yeah thankfully it was a really empty session and I had a clear track all around me for basically all of it. It was the last one of the day without anyone behind us, and the checkered was actually already waved at turn 7. I was hoping to bank the lap in so I was still pushing, I would have pulled into the pits since I spun in front of the pit entry anyway. But since we were the last people on track I decided to go around once more and do a cool down lap, because the car would have been really hot from the lap.
I see a checkered flag at 1:09 - so you spun after taking the checkered? That seems not great. Then you continued in the middle of the track extremely slowly after the spin, and also didn't go into the pits?
Admittedly I should have just cooled off the lap and pitted. But I explained in a different comment that this was the last session and there wouldn't have been another group waiting for us. I was on my fastest lap of the day and in my adrenaline rush I was hoping to push to the finish line and complete it instead of pitting. Maybe it wasn't the right thing to do. After the spin, I could have also gone into the pits, but the car would have been super hot, and I continued around for a cool down lap. We waved thanks to the flag marshalls having to wait for us to finish, but we were the last car on track for the whole day.
CODE BROWN CODE BROWN!! Im doing sonoma this weekend and i am terrified because its going to be wet.
That save is far more precious than a stinking lap time.
Wow that stability control working overtime ahha. Glad to see you kept it off the wall either way :)
Dude that was clenching to watch, can’t imagine what that felt like behind the wheel. Amazing save!
Dang dude, that was great reaction. You didn’t over correct and you felt when the tires started gripping again. That turn caught me on Gran Turismo 4 a few times.
I also drove it in GT4! It was one of the hardest corners for me too. Now it's the same but irl and scarier 🫠
@@denniscfeng that’s so awesome! Glad you saved it.
Nice save. That happened to my brz on the track, too. Suddenly increased the slip angle when I do some small counter steers. Maybe the rear hit some bumps or the OEM setting I guess.
I was like "AAAAAAAAAAAA" and then were like 😎
Nothing bad ever happens after thinking, "I'll push just a little harder next time."
DAMN. Well done, sir!
Good save! Happy you didn’t wreck you car, keep pushing!
Dude.....Dude......Great save!!!!
Looks like you got some lift off oversteer after the suspension unloaded. I bet a lot of keyboard warriors would have ended up in that tire wall. Great save!
Saw the totle, saw the badge on the steering wheel and said, "this will be classic Subaru lift off oversteer."
Not sure how you pulled that save off but, nice!
Damn nice save!
Great save lmao
Friends don't let friends early apex. You were headed toward the grass!
Worst thing I ever did at the track was have Harry lap timer on my phone in plain sight!
Totally distracted me, ended up crashing my S2000
Do it afterwards from the video if necessary ✌🏼
Also kudos to that great save!!😊
Nice save
Good driving, it looks like stability control played a role in that save. Remember to try and keep your hands light on the steering, it looks like you were tensed up holding the wheel at a fixed angle and didn’t react when the car first started to rotate/slide after it went over the curb. When the car starts to rotate/slide you will feel it through the steering as a countersteer force. Keeping a light touch on the wheel will allow you to better feel this reversal of the forces in the steering and mean you can catch the slide a lot quicker and more safely. Keep it up! Looks like you are already a very good driver recovering from a big moment like that.
Thanks for the advice! Yeah I was certainly thankful for stability control. I agree, I should train my feeling of oversteer more. I was trying to aggressively "pitch" the car into the corner, but I don't think I had the right reaction to handle it stepping out where it did. At least here I was lucky to not over-correct and cause the car to snap to the left.
In this corner I also felt the front tires were also being overloaded, I was wiggling the steering because I felt the front end not responding. I felt like both ends of the car were right on the edge of grip. In the end the rear stepped out, and the front wheels were also over the limit in that instant and couldn't hang on to the road. I keep thinking if only I had backed off a tiny bit or if I wasn't trying to rotate the car as much, I could've completed the lap haha 🥲
After watching the footage again in slow motion it looks like you are absolutely right. You were understeering slightly on corner entry, you neutralized it very nicely with throttle application and had the whole car at a good slip angle by the time you reached the apex. As you said this meant you were at the limit with both front and rear ends. Issue is that when you touched the curb on the inside it unsettled the car just enough to put you over the limit.
It’s very easy for this to happen. Most of the time people spin in a rwd car it’s because of this. If the car is understeering it’s because the front end is over the limit of grip. Trying to neutralize it with throttle means you are now at or over the limit with both front and rear ends. This means whatever rotation and direction the car had at that point, it will continue on with very little control.
It’s very difficult to balance the car on this limit between under and over steer. This is where a light tough on the wheel helps greatly.
A cars steering will automatically assume the direction of travel. Watch some videos of pro drifters, when the car steps out into oversteer the only way to catch it is to let go of the wheel completely and let it assume the correct steering angle for the direction of travel. If you try to react, hold onto the steering wheel and get the correct counter steer by force it’s almost impossible.
By keeping a light hold on the wheel and not tensing up you will feel the car floating between under and oversteer. You should be controlling the rotation with the pedals and listening to what it wants through the steering.
The best advice I can offer is to be patient with understeer and allow the front to regain grip before trying to gain rotation on throttle. That’s the safest approach that will avoid a similar incident in future. Try to only exceed the limit of grip with one end of the car at a time. That way you can easily and safely explore the limits of grip and listen to the car through the steering while maintaining a reasonable level of control.
I hope this helps 😄!!
@@alecmillea4539 Many good points here, thanks for the advice one again!
@@denniscfeng no worries man keep it up and have fun out there!
Pretty fast driving! You should join 86 challenge and compete with the me and the gang!
Thank you very much. I have been thinking about it! 😀
Great save, I probably would have overcorrected and gone into the left wall.
Were you in normal track mode or TC fully off?
I was in track mode, so TC was off but it still had some stability control active. And yeah I think I was lucky to not overreact, otherwise we would have been redirected off the track at a high speed 😬
"now we're even" i need yo know thr context of what he's talking about lol
Holy crap that was close. What happened? Did you eat too much curb? Or just the inputs?
Yeah a bit of both, I was pushing way harder on that lap and the car was heavily on the limit, I got up on the kerb and the rear end bounced loose. I was trying to transfer a lot of weight to the front as well to try to corner harder, but I think that meant there was not enough rear grip to corner at that speed (or at least not enough overhead to handle getting up on a kerb mid-corner).
@@denniscfeng were you on the gas as you hit the curb?
@@404nobrakes I was on the throttle already, I don't think fully because I could tell it was already on the edge.
Awesome save! What track is this? Thanks!
Sonoma Raceway!
The Subbie really said: "Can I be a drift car, please 🥺👉👈"
I didn't know tyres scream like that
Good god, this car has a ton of understeer from the factory huh..
i was expecting so much more oversteer on like every turn lol. rear end is planted. front end is pushing. good driving i suppose haha
What a shame, but still a superb driving!
Wow
are you using Street tyres?
Use slicks and you ll cut 6 seconds
never chase pb's with a passenger.... ever.
Thank god i'm already on the toilet holy shiet 😳
You’re front tires are telling you there’s more time with a better balance
What a save! That was incredible 😍
Not sure if the rules are different there, but you need to slow down after taking the checkered flag. You shouldn't have been racing past that. Normally you start your cool down after the checkered flag and you potentially could have came up on some slow moving cars that were actually following the rules. Dangerous sitation, not smart.
hopefully your tire didn't get a flatspot haha
Nice save but dude get out the way😂
Thats how waisting your life with FWD looks like :P