Can Porsche's 911 Turbo S outrun a Formula 4 car?

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    The 552bhp Porsche 911 Turbo S is one of the fastest cars around a tight handling course. Today, though, it's up against some stiff competition in the form of a Formula 4 car. Can the Porsche hold off the racer? Steve Sutcliffe finds out.
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Комментарии • 813

  • @donaldduck5731
    @donaldduck5731 8 лет назад +309

    For years we have heard countless environmentalists complaining about seeing 5 seater cars with only one person in them on the daily commute . If we all drove formula 4 cars they would be happy, yes? This is proof for nothing other then environmental reasons we need to make formula 4 cars road legal.

    • @philipjkb15
      @philipjkb15 7 лет назад +22

      Jon Jennings can't argue with that

    • @davidbarth80
      @davidbarth80 7 лет назад +2

      Jon Jennings then they would argue to use electric vehicles formula cars lol

    • @Trainmaster909
      @Trainmaster909 4 года назад +14

      Everyone would have fun, and everyone would save fuel. Plus F4 cars are super safe.

    • @winstonw5273
      @winstonw5273 Год назад +1

      best comment

    • @ThorBrah
      @ThorBrah Год назад

      Formula 4 cars are road legal as long as you don’t get pulled over. And at that point you can only get pulled over if you let them pull you over

  • @jackthorpe56
    @jackthorpe56 9 лет назад +351

    Why are people complaining about comparing these 2?? There are a million videos already comparing a 911 against R8's, Ferraris, GTR's etc, etc, etc... This is something different! Finally!

    • @Landslide2024
      @Landslide2024 9 лет назад +15

      Jack Thorpe Well for you we have a new video, just because you want something different, are you ready? The Porsche 918 Spyder VS. The Mall Walker. Think about the weight difference, this one could be close!

    • @bbigrocker1
      @bbigrocker1 7 лет назад

      @Radeon__ BTW Amazing isn't it? What do people like that do with the REST of their lives?

  • @DocWolph
    @DocWolph 10 лет назад +152

    "It's not how fast you can go. But how fast you can KEEP going."

    • @mileswoods2527
      @mileswoods2527 4 года назад

      i think lap time wudv been more shorter had the porsche drive wudv cut sown the wide turns like the formula1 driver did

    • @iqwan9850
      @iqwan9850 3 года назад

      2016

    • @johnleaf6677
      @johnleaf6677 2 года назад

      Straight facts

    • @patthonsirilim5739
      @patthonsirilim5739 2 года назад

      @@mileswoods2527 the formula car can maintain and sutain that pace for the whole grandprix while the 911 turbo will start to heat sock after 5 or so laps

    • @szwagijer
      @szwagijer 2 года назад +2

      For me Porsche obvious won. You can came by Porsche on track, have fun and go back to home. On evening you can go for date with girl. In f4 car you can't. You don't have slicks on 911. Weight difference is X3, comfort difference is x30. You can try longer distance on this cars (tires, fuel) and Porsche could won. It's all about regulations and FUN.

  • @joaosoares3719
    @joaosoares3719 10 лет назад +148

    "Simplify, then add lightness". It's a shame modern sportscars are so far removed from that philosophy. This Turbo S weights 1605kg (3538lbs). Ridiculous...

    • @Killishness1337
      @Killishness1337 5 лет назад +51

      Safety is important too, Porsche has to cater for both good drivers and people who think they're good drivers 😂

    • @torevenheim9607
      @torevenheim9607 3 года назад +9

      911 has comfort, single-seaters has none, its a boneshaking ride from hell! comfort = adding weight, but modern sportscars has gone to far from lightness and simplisity

    • @nodo7575
      @nodo7575 3 года назад +8

      @@torevenheim9607 boneshaking ride from hell is what sports cars should be about.

    • @Jay-xr3sb
      @Jay-xr3sb 2 года назад +2

      A110

    • @szwagijer
      @szwagijer 2 года назад +2

      Bro it's a road car, luxury car. Not for me or you (i think) because of budget. You can compare Porsche 911 rebuild for racing and than compare this cars even with f3 or F2. (Equal cost of build + add cost per use for season). 911 here even don't have slicks...

  • @johanoster3089
    @johanoster3089 10 лет назад +117

    Wow, the F4 car seems like a hell of a lot of fun for the money!

    • @iqwan9850
      @iqwan9850 3 года назад

      2017

    • @iqwan9850
      @iqwan9850 3 года назад

      2018

    • @Snowy-oq4ur
      @Snowy-oq4ur 3 года назад

      2021

    • @gabeitch7009
      @gabeitch7009 3 года назад +2

      2022

    • @YangD-082
      @YangD-082 3 года назад +20

      If you only drive on race track, the F4 is a superior choice.
      Why is everyone commenting years?

  • @sniktun1
    @sniktun1 9 лет назад +255

    5:38 lol didn't even attempt to make the corner

    • @camiel221
      @camiel221 9 лет назад +1

      +sniktun1 the formula car cut every corner that you could cut without going on the grass so doesnt realy matter xD

    • @ashscott6068
      @ashscott6068 9 лет назад +35

      +sniktun1 2 wheels on the track. Perfectly legit

    • @Bog2901
      @Bog2901 9 лет назад

      +sniktun1 I think they're counting the red/white parts as track.

    • @randylasmana9406
      @randylasmana9406 9 лет назад +10

      +Ettick is not a fan of motorsport definitely... that's called kerb, dude...

    • @Bog2901
      @Bog2901 9 лет назад +4

      Randy Lasmana
      Thanks for telling me, you clearly have superior knowledge on the subject.

  • @MarksmanGamingVideos
    @MarksmanGamingVideos 10 лет назад +889

    next comparison: tricycle vs. nitro fuel dragster in a quarter mile race

    • @Inklebonker1
      @Inklebonker1 10 лет назад +9

      Actually, I would like to see maybe a Bugatti SS v. a Funnycar. That would be kind of interesting.

    • @ciber101010101
      @ciber101010101 10 лет назад +11

      You're an idiot, dude. not you inklebonker.

    • @MarksmanGamingVideos
      @MarksmanGamingVideos 10 лет назад +25

      Ciber why exactly? They compared an expensive, luxurious 4-seater sportscar to a race car .... ON THE TRACK!

    • @MarksmanGamingVideos
      @MarksmanGamingVideos 10 лет назад +17

      Ganooster Moppy my grandma has a dragster and has just accepted the challenge. I'll be providing the dragstrip

    • @scamper246
      @scamper246 10 лет назад +2

      Inklebonker Wone A funny car would make the Bugatti look like a slug

  • @syndicate1335
    @syndicate1335 10 лет назад +15

    I believe this is actually a very good comparison. It's just informative on the difference between a race car and a street car. The significant difference is in the high speed corners where the aero come into affect. The tyres on the F4 car are not necessarily grippier than the Turbo's tyres. I forgot if the the F4 car uses bias-ply or radial tyres. Even if you put slicks on the Porsche, it would not come close to the F4 car. The better handling gives more rolling speed out of the corners so down the straight the cars equal out. If anything the F4 car is faster down straights because the aero reduces drag. With proper setup and gear ratios, I believe the F4 car can go 1 or 2 second faster at least. You would also have to see how he is on the brake traces in the F4 car. In a formula car, under braking you have to slowly trail off due to loss of down force as you slow down so he might be losing significant time in braking too. Very good driver though!

  • @rousseau327
    @rousseau327 10 лет назад +54

    I don't know why people are mad that the Formula 4 car is better. Did you really expect any road car to be as good to drive as a single seater race car?

    • @iseeq72
      @iseeq72 7 лет назад +5

      Yes... a F4 car can be beaten by a hypercar on semi-slicks (like the 918 or the 720s), maybe also by the GT2 RS. Meaning on an average track with some longer straights

    • @shooter7a
      @shooter7a 4 года назад +1

      @@iseeq72 but not an F3 car. Nothing you can drive on the street will touch it.

    • @maceocapietto4090
      @maceocapietto4090 3 года назад

      @@iseeq72 There is no way, we are faster than the 500hps gt3 arround some tracks (who have slicks, light weight and some aero). It's the fact the cars run lower to the ground and are 3times lighter that makes them that fast

  • @ellomirza
    @ellomirza 10 лет назад +78

    Much like a recently engaged woman, weight is the enemy.

  • @MrStevecro
    @MrStevecro 9 лет назад +29

    ignore the usual sad moaners. This was informative and fun. Thank you

  • @pakkiaman2
    @pakkiaman2 9 лет назад +30

    at SPA francorshamps :
    - the Fomula 3 is 30 seconds faster than the McLaren P1 and 35 seconds faster than the 911 Turbo S.
    - the Formula 4 is 24 seconds faster than the McLaren P1 and 30 seconds faster than the Turbo S.
    Formula 3 best lap at SPA : Max Verstappen 2014, in 2:11,1
    McLaren P1 best lap at SPA 2:39

    • @3248934
      @3248934 9 лет назад +1

      +pakkiaman2 Damn! I need a Formula 4 Car.

    • @3248934
      @3248934 9 лет назад +30

      +pakkiaman2 It's also probably faster than the current F1 cars from McLaren :v

    • @pakkiaman2
      @pakkiaman2 9 лет назад +3

      +Ric Rac hahaha

    • @GRIDSALEENS7
      @GRIDSALEENS7 9 лет назад +1

      At Spa, I run the lamborghini murcielago in gt1 . And I never lose.

    • @Simpleton983
      @Simpleton983 8 лет назад +5

      +pakkiaman2 ...and 2015 pole position at Belgian GP (Lewis Hamilton) was 1:47:197! Just to put things into perspective.

  • @ryancooper4475
    @ryancooper4475 10 лет назад +26

    So at the full Le Mans circuit the porsche wins by a mile. At the full Nurburgring Nordschilfe, the formula 4 wins by a mile.

    • @TheOne42
      @TheOne42 10 лет назад +5

      Le Mans is a boring circuit with miles and miles of straight road, no wonder.
      the Ring is anyway the real benchmark for any car's capabilities.

    • @ryancooper4475
      @ryancooper4475 10 лет назад +11

      I wouldn't call Le Mans boring. In the 80s before they added the two chicanes cars did 260 down the mulsanne straight. Even if it is long that's not exactly boring.

    • @hvf26
      @hvf26 10 лет назад +10

      TheOne42
      You have obviously never watched a Le Man's 24Hr race then.

    • @TheOne42
      @TheOne42 10 лет назад

      hvf26 No because its that boring ;)

    • @ryancooper4475
      @ryancooper4475 10 лет назад

      Yeah no it's difficult to watch a race that's nonstop for 24 hours.

  • @SimonZellox
    @SimonZellox 9 лет назад +48

    Next: Toilet car with Bugattis 16.4 engine vs Train

    • @LogitechRockz
      @LogitechRockz 9 лет назад +1

      +Zellox | CSGO Clips Transrapid? ;)

  • @dailyforman
    @dailyforman 10 лет назад +69

    McLaren P1 would be interesting in this comparison.

    • @kurtrusellpatrickswayze
      @kurtrusellpatrickswayze 10 лет назад +9

      oh yeah! I don't see it going 6 seconds faster than the Porsche, but I don't see a 185hp 1-seater beating it either, so...

    • @ciber101010101
      @ciber101010101 10 лет назад +13

      918 spyder would be as well.

    • @rmlambert95
      @rmlambert95 10 лет назад +3

      Yeah all 3 hybrid supercars. That way we can gauge what they're actually capable of in comparison.

    • @DavidKAnderson
      @DavidKAnderson 9 лет назад +7

      Ciber At Laguna Seca, with Randy Pobst at the wheel, the 918 holds the production road car record (1:29.89). Fastest lap in Prototype 1 (sports-racers with 1000cc motorcycle engines and about the same power and weight as that Formula 4) at last November's SCCA run-offs was 1:22.397, in a Stohr WF1. It's not close , even when the road car is a hybrid hypercar...

    • @Xotiw
      @Xotiw 4 месяца назад

      @@DavidKAndersoneven after 9 years the new record for the fastest production car is 1:24ish by the Jesko Attack still a few second slower than an F4 car.

  • @F-Man
    @F-Man 10 лет назад +143

    Okay, so we've proven that a race car is faster than a road car...
    Never would have suspected that...

    • @paulstevens9409
      @paulstevens9409 7 лет назад +22

      Ferrariman601 Its nowhere near the fastest race car vs one of the fastest road cars...thats the bit that makes it interesting, surely you get that?

    • @epistte
      @epistte 6 лет назад

      Any production car is a virtual bus when compared to a formula car. Only about 150mph in a straight line would that Porsche have the ability to outrun the F4 because of its superior aerodynamics and power. The Porsche is a rolling chicane everywhere else.

    • @GG-ks6or
      @GG-ks6or 4 года назад

      911 Turbo S is fast but it is not a track prepared car, its only fast in a straight line. Second important thing is 911 Turbo S is nowhere near the fastest 911 available. 911 GT3 RS would be faster on track, then 911 GT3 RS from 2019 would be even faster as it generates much more downforce than 2015 version, then 911 GT2 RS would be even faster and then 911 GT2 RS MR is the fastest currently available 911 and it could easily make more than 5 seconds of difference. So yeah they should compare it with truly fast, track oriented 911 rather than the one which only appears to be fast.
      Third thing is the track choice. This is probably a small, very technical circuit without long straights which favorizes F4. Let's try on a Monza and I bet 911 Turbo S will be much closer if not faster and something like already mentioned 911 GT2 RS MR would just destroy that F4 car. So this is a very biased comparison.
      Not all of the road legal cars are slower than race cars. Slow race cars like F4 or maybe something like BTCC may be about as fast if not a bit slower than the fastest road legal cars (and 911 Turbo S is nowhere near the fastests 911s.

    • @GG-ks6or
      @GG-ks6or 4 года назад

      @@paulstevens9409 911 Turbo S is nowhere near the fastest road legal cars or fastest 911s. It's not even designed to be fast on a track. 911 GT3 RS would be faster than that, GT3 RS from 2019 would faster than 2015, then GT2 RS would be easily faster than GT3 RS and top of it GT2 RS MR would be even faster than standard GT2 RS. See? The actual fastest Porsche (not that sluggish Turbo S) would probably be as quick as that F4 car and remember this is a very slow, technical circuit. On a Monza GT2 RS would probably destroy it.

    • @GG-ks6or
      @GG-ks6or 4 года назад

      @@paulstevens9409 btw. look at the Nordschleife lap times:
      6:40 GT2 RS MR
      6:47 GT2 RS
      6:56 GT3 RS
      7:11 GT3
      7:17 Turbo S (facelift from 2016)
      7:26 Turbo S shown here (yep,46seconds slower than the fastest 911)

  • @oistein74
    @oistein74 10 лет назад +247

    Put some slicks on the Turbo and try again.

    • @Terraceview
      @Terraceview 10 лет назад +89

      Put a turbo on the F4, see what happens.

    • @ronaldov09
      @ronaldov09 10 лет назад +93

      Take the F4 to the shop to get some groceries....oh wait...

    • @oistein74
      @oistein74 10 лет назад

      Ref. 911 Turbo

    • @GodzillaPetrolHead
      @GodzillaPetrolHead 10 лет назад +6

      With 100,000 big ones, I can have a couple of nice cars to get some groceries with.
      Both cars are great, I sure hoped the Formula 4 car would beat it since that's the one thing it was made to do.

    • @AdriGC
      @AdriGC 10 лет назад +16

      OK, about 1,5 second less in this track. Slicks are not miracles

  • @westernwheeler
    @westernwheeler 7 лет назад +3

    Still a fun video. This video is not meant to compare apples:apples. It is intentionally an apples:oranges comparison. Old saying "get the right tool for the job" - In my opinion if you want a great lapping/weekend day car and can trailer, an F4 car is a great option. Inexpensive and you'll be hard pressed to have more fun then that! The Porsche is simply amazing in every aspect, including that you can drive it down, have a tonne of fun and drive home at the end of the day. 2 amazing cars, two difference purposes...I appreciate them both

  • @chefgiovanni
    @chefgiovanni 10 лет назад +8

    Great camera work and filming.

  • @butwait
    @butwait 9 лет назад +4

    So a street car on street tires, with full interior, against a bathtub on slicks that isn't street legal. seems legit.

  • @chevymuscle4life
    @chevymuscle4life 9 лет назад +6

    well of course the 911 is greatly out classed. this was an interesting comparison and I think the 911 did good. It impresses me.

  • @australianmade2659
    @australianmade2659 9 лет назад +53

    So why isn't the Porsche on slicks to be fair?

    • @reeceengineering
      @reeceengineering 9 лет назад +1

      +Jackie Scholl Fairer excuse him

    • @YouArentSlick
      @YouArentSlick 8 лет назад +2

      It's a comparison of road vs race car. It's not about proving who's best just an interesting comparison to watch,

    • @Grrrrrene
      @Grrrrrene 8 лет назад +2

      +Jackie Scholl I bet the Porsche would win on a fast circuit like Monza or Spa Francorchamps. It is the same as with the discussion about the Ferrari LaFerrari vs. Porsche 918 vs. McLaren P1: there is not one fastest car, there is only a fastest car on a certain track.

    • @idave4900
      @idave4900 8 лет назад +6

      why isnt it a formula 4 car to be fair.....

    • @FLMKane
      @FLMKane 8 лет назад +3

      Monza maaaaybe. Just maybe the porsche would be faster
      Spa there is no chance. Spa is fast but it's all high speed turns, the F4 would eat it alive.

  • @Rahhhhhnman
    @Rahhhhhnman 10 лет назад +3

    Came back to watch this again, enjoy this comparison, and what it tells me about both cars.

  • @DrivingExcellence
    @DrivingExcellence 9 лет назад +5

    I would like to see XBow RR versus a F4 ! I would like to know if its worth investing in a trailer to pull an open wheel car, or if there is a product out there that could roll its way in and out of the circuit on its on wheels.

  • @ju-lenleow5511
    @ju-lenleow5511 10 лет назад +2

    Drove both at Sepang (although not back to back); the F4 car is just super surefooted through the high speed stuff like turns 5 and 6, while the Turbo S moves around a lot there so you need commitment. The 911 is just *insanely* fast down the straights, though. Ran out of revs down the long straights in the F4, but the Turbo S just kept pulling and pulling and pulling. On a big Tilkedrome like Sepang, I think the Turbo S might just clinch it. That said, my choice would be... the 911 GT3. I was four sec. a lap faster in that car even though it was less powerful and only RWD.

  • @Rahhhhhnman
    @Rahhhhhnman 10 лет назад +4

    Well I found that one very interesting, thanks again Steve.

  • @TheTonicro
    @TheTonicro 10 лет назад +2

    really interesting comparison, i enjoy videos like this a lot

  • @tbirdboy
    @tbirdboy 7 лет назад

    Very glad to see Sutcliffe still at it. He is a very good auto journalist who I enjoy listening too. Need to follow him a little more closely. Very insightful

  • @Sleepwokkr
    @Sleepwokkr 10 лет назад

    That opening slow-mo looked bad ass.

  • @alexandrefernandes9233
    @alexandrefernandes9233 10 лет назад +25

    This match show how weight is much more important than power, when you deal with bends.
    But in the real world forget the F4. If you want something light and fast for the real world, try Lotus Exige, for example.

    • @sirol97
      @sirol97 10 лет назад +32

      You mean on the roads, because the track is still in the real world.

    • @PlagueIsMyName
      @PlagueIsMyName 10 лет назад +3

      Well, you forget slick tyres and downforce...

    • @alexandrefernandes9233
      @alexandrefernandes9233 10 лет назад +1

      PlagueIsMyName Yes! I forgot that! Thanks to remember!
      But the weight is the main issue.

    • @golferchin76
      @golferchin76 10 лет назад +4

      Alexandre Fernandes
      The weight yes. But the single seater's center of gravity and roll center are so close to the ground it almost does not roll in corners. It can pull +2g in corners easily.
      You can make a very tall car that weights light but it won't do well in corners.
      The video also made a mistake. F4 has very little downforce (compare to F3, CN 2liter prototypes, etc), it relies heavily on mechanical grip, not aero grip. It's a go kart on steroid. I track an old Formula Renault 2.0 3 times a year. These cars are naturally faster than any sports car but extremely difficult to post very competitve lap times.

    • @alexandrefernandes9233
      @alexandrefernandes9233 10 лет назад +1

      golferchin76 Yes, when I mentioned weight the center of gravity was included. And indeed, the car need a minimum weight to have the necessary grip. Thanks, for your contribute!

  • @TheTallAbacus
    @TheTallAbacus 10 лет назад +3

    Interestingly huge difference in track performance... Wouldnt have guesses that.
    If I had to own one it would be the formula car all day long. Basic, simple, effective.

  • @BookProX
    @BookProX 10 лет назад +2

    Awesome video! Yes, power to weight ratio is key.

  • @nicholasxuu
    @nicholasxuu 10 лет назад +4

    That's racing slick on the formula four car, a wet lap comparison would be more interesting :)

  • @gabrielvanya8245
    @gabrielvanya8245 7 лет назад +1

    Bad, very bad research.
    Price: ~177500£
    0-62 mph: 2,9 s
    Top Speed: 205 mph
    Power: 572 hp (580 ps)
    AWD (actually mentionned in the Video)

  • @1seipai
    @1seipai 10 лет назад +33

    So next week the Turbo S vs GTR?

    • @swinglow33
      @swinglow33 10 лет назад +15

      Now you're just talking crazy with cars that compete against each other. Next week, the Turbo S vs UK's finest taxi cab. Redemsion for the Turbo!

    • @1seipai
      @1seipai 10 лет назад +9

      swinglow33 lol! We need this review because Steve Sutcliffe keeps gushing on about how superior the GTR is to other cars they put it against like the F10 M5. So put your money where your mouth is and test it against its strongest rival. I believe that the GTR will be beaten.

    • @ayrtonatif047
      @ayrtonatif047 10 лет назад +1

      chbrules that shit is already destroyed.

    • @1seipai
      @1seipai 10 лет назад +4

      Ayrton Atif Indeed. Car Mag compared them and the GTR was slaughtered but it would be very amusing to see how Sutcliffe would try to talk the GTR out of that!

    • @Sandouras
      @Sandouras 10 лет назад +1

      Turbo S vs GTR? That would make too much sense. No, next week it's Lamborghini Aventador vs Opel Corsa 1.2.
      I mean seriously, these last few videos from Autocar have been pretty stupid. Talk about apples and oranges.

  • @defenstrator4660
    @defenstrator4660 7 лет назад +1

    A real test would be seeing them both drive on a regular road. Let''s see how that F4 does against potholes.

    • @nodo7575
      @nodo7575 2 года назад

      How well do you think 911 handles potholes?

  • @thename6280
    @thename6280 10 лет назад +1

    i loved watching this! great test!!!

  • @barricade37
    @barricade37 10 лет назад

    Simply love the opening shot..

  • @josephbhanini553
    @josephbhanini553 7 лет назад

    5:16 porsche guy checking if someone coming from other lane

  • @Tousanx
    @Tousanx 10 лет назад +2

    this was fun to watch. thanks autocar.

  • @ziggyjinx
    @ziggyjinx 7 лет назад

    I love that opening scene 👍

  • @johanjc
    @johanjc 7 лет назад

    At 2:21, why is Chewbacca shooting pictures of the f4 car??

  • @FiveBlackStripes
    @FiveBlackStripes 10 лет назад +8

    NEXT WEEK, on Autocar's Pointless Comparisons: A McLaren 650s vs. a go kart!

    • @ParkerBarandon
      @ParkerBarandon 10 лет назад +5

      That would actually be kind of cool.

    • @wezmarauder2754
      @wezmarauder2754 10 лет назад +1

      What's pointless here? The Porsche has a a huge horsepower advantage which to most people is the only thing that defines the performance of a car. If anything this dispels any notions of that being the sole defining factor of performance.
      I imagine the massive torque of the Porsche also helps to counter the weight of the car in comparison to the light F4.
      Had it been a racetrack with really long straights the comparison might have been more even.

    • @M3Conv
      @M3Conv 10 лет назад

      Why would that be pointless?
      On a track i would love to see it

  • @fergoesdayton
    @fergoesdayton 10 лет назад +1

    Im still impressed watching the 911 try.

  • @AndrewSalinass
    @AndrewSalinass 7 лет назад +2

    The engine sound of the formula 🔥😍

  • @Malc180s
    @Malc180s 10 лет назад +30

    The Porsche is useless on the road. It's FAR too fast, to the point of being entirely irrelevant. I can't even enjoy a modest hot-hatch on the road, because by the time you're actually reaching into the cars ability you're doing twice the speed limit, easily. And that's jail time, and that's just not worth it.
    It's a great comparison this - for not much money (not necessarily an f4 car) you can get a single seater that's much more suited to track driving - it won't cook its tyres or its brakes, and every road car will do that after a few laps.
    People talk about nurburgring lap times, and this that and the other when debating sports cars - it's all pointless, because its just people arguing about what compromised road car is fastest in an environment where it's as relevant as an articulated lorry.
    Modern sports cars have lost the plot chasing speed and lap times and this video, while perhaps revealing the obvious, also makes you think about what you're spending your money for.

    • @MrStlover99
      @MrStlover99 10 лет назад +2

      I do that with my STI everyday but always looking for police, lol

    • @Sandouras
      @Sandouras 10 лет назад +5

      Sour grapes much?

    • @msiley
      @msiley 10 лет назад +1

      1) It's not all about raw speed it's about responsiveness and 2) they have this thing called a track. I have an STI. I'll never top it out at 150+ mph. But just using it as a daily driver is fun. A regular econobox feels like driving a tractor in comparison.

    • @VentoRdrummeR
      @VentoRdrummeR 10 лет назад +2

      msiley
      I completely agree with you. Also thinking about handling, grip, sound, gear shifts... Driving a powerful car is loads of fun, even if you don't drive like a madman on public roads. I've got a modest Scirocco, but I enjoy every corner with it. What's an STI, a Subaru?

    • @msiley
      @msiley 10 лет назад

      VentoRdrummeR Yes a Subaru. Before that was a 350Z. It would be hard to go back to normal cars. That's the only downfall of sportscars.

  • @Bruceman17
    @Bruceman17 10 лет назад

    you could have put racing slicks on the 991 turbo s at the very least to give the viewers a better comparison

  • @room-oe9zo
    @room-oe9zo 10 лет назад +1

    Next up: Cessna Citation vs an F-16 in a dogfight

  • @highvelocity123
    @highvelocity123 9 лет назад +3

    Everyone calm down... This was a necessary test to reset what, we the public, view in our minds as quick. I think the Porsche did very well but it's a street car with air conditioning, air bags, cup holders, etc.. Think about this, if the Porsche races a Formula 1 car, the F-1 team would have been packed up by the time the Porsche finished...

  • @seekthetruths22
    @seekthetruths22 10 лет назад

    LOL!!! It's so funny how big and clumsy the Porsche looks running next to the F4 car. It's simply amazing!!!

  • @muhammadmsalaam9594
    @muhammadmsalaam9594 8 лет назад +1

    slick formula 1 track slicks compared to that of Porsche specified exotic dressed tires makes a difference especially on on track racing statistics & how much aero efficiency track chassis coverage these have.
    911 GT held up understandably in given track arrangement

  • @nelsonmcnamara
    @nelsonmcnamara 9 лет назад +1

    Just curious, which production car (apart from Aerial Atom and any open wheel cars) could beat an F4 car on a circuit?

    • @AaronShen-o4t
      @AaronShen-o4t 2 года назад

      i think they know nothing about modify

    • @patthonsirilim5739
      @patthonsirilim5739 2 года назад

      not even a buggati chiron or maclaren p1 or 918 could even come close to a f4 car on a circuit unless they start wearing slicks and dicth there interior trim maybe a radical sr8 with 2 hayabusa engine sandwhich togeather making a v8 but that car is pretty much a formula car with head lights and semi slick barely road legal tires that car and the bac mono in its raciest trim but at that point of what you consider a road car might as well buy a formula 4 car.

    • @clarksonoceallachain8536
      @clarksonoceallachain8536 Год назад

      Dax rush i guess

  • @TivonSanders
    @TivonSanders 10 лет назад +1

    I think the point in this review is to show the enormous importance of weight rather than power. Weight is way more important than power will ever be. But, proper drivers and car enthusiasts would know that already.

  • @bbigrocker1
    @bbigrocker1 7 лет назад +1

    344 Porsche owners watched this video! Take stock guys, the F4 is a designed for the track ONLY. The 911S is a fine automobile by all means.

  • @MauriBrix
    @MauriBrix 10 лет назад +83

    Yes. Slick vs stock. Videotroll of the day.

    • @000Haze
      @000Haze 10 лет назад +26

      Slicks are stock on an F4 car

    • @ronny302
      @ronny302 10 лет назад

      000Haze
      That´s what he means. The F4-car with its slicks would have run circles around the Porsche if it wouldn´t have been staged for TV.

    • @mysticdreamworks
      @mysticdreamworks 10 лет назад +3

      lol 552hp vs 189hp lol.

    • @ronny302
      @ronny302 10 лет назад +6

      Nizam Ahamad
      LOL what? Both cars have the same power-to-weight ratio.
      The Porsche won´t accelerate faster with its 1400kg against a 470kg F4- car just because it has 500hp. But the F4-car has slicks and lots of aero.

    • @InitialDAmine
      @InitialDAmine 10 лет назад +1

      Nizam Ahamad 470kg vs 1700Kg not only the formula 4 car has more power per weight ratio but it has much more grip due to it slick tyres and aerodynamic, if only the Porsche had slick tires things would have been different

  • @cristiandemirel1918
    @cristiandemirel1918 10 лет назад +1

    In my opinion, all that the Porsche needs to keep up with the f4 car is a much stiffer damping and a much lower suspension height! Also let's not forget that the race car has slicks! Those alone give it a 4 to 5 seconds advantage!

    • @patthonsirilim5739
      @patthonsirilim5739 2 года назад

      slicks and suspension alone wont buy 6 seconds on such a short track the car will have to lose at least 300kg wear slicks and racing brake pads braided steel lines racing brake fluid and to keep temps at bay your talking about a full revamp in the oiling bracking and radiator cooling system so your talking forge wheels no battary or lithuim battary and no ac no trim single bucket seats and alot of carbon composite parts and more aero like gt wing and canards and spliter but by that point its pretty much a fia speced gt car

  • @MrSlash00r
    @MrSlash00r 10 лет назад +2

    Not every comparison test has to be a DIRECT comparison, you Yob-Os. Its showing the relative performance differences based on power, weight, cost, etc. - as everyone has a different scale of importance for each category, do the mental multiplication and come to your own conclusion

  • @boxserpent
    @boxserpent 10 лет назад

    Awesome idea, video and motion capture. Congrats guys. You are always pioneers.

  • @Archie106TV
    @Archie106TV 10 лет назад

    Great review.

  • @christosswc
    @christosswc 10 лет назад

    You should compare to a Superkart next time,
    The twin cylinder preferably.
    Would be interesting to see.

  • @septiandwiprasetio
    @septiandwiprasetio 9 лет назад

    wow great job autocar, but what about straight line in comparison, must be good to watch

  • @Pulsonar
    @Pulsonar 10 лет назад +2

    Of course the track-focused F4 car will outrun the 911 over a racing circuit, but isn't it amazing testament to the extraordinary engineering of the Porsche? A true every-day sports car slugging it out toe-toe with a machine dedicated to shaping the careers of budding grand-prix racing drivers. Thats progress no matter which way you look at it!

    • @culturedsquid8442
      @culturedsquid8442 2 года назад

      6 second gap in such a small circuit is a massacre, the porsche is nowhere near the F4 car for racing, and it's not meant to be of course . Incredible car, fast, beautiful, excellent all around, but formulas are built for racing, they will always be in a different league, just never go too slow, you'll cook the damn thing.

    • @GraveUypo
      @GraveUypo Год назад

      @@culturedsquid8442 not to mention the price difference. you can buy like four of those f4 cars with the price of the porsche.

  • @Enigma00017
    @Enigma00017 10 лет назад

    I would like to see F4, F3, F2, F1 vs La Ferrari, P1, Bugatti SS, koenigsegg agra R, Toss in Pagani Zonda R :-)

  • @manfromnantucket9544
    @manfromnantucket9544 7 лет назад

    Next race: speed of light in a vacuum vs. soil erosion

  • @snitheheinst5673
    @snitheheinst5673 10 лет назад

    I think the main lesson from this video is weight reduction + mechanical engineering > fancy electronic systems.
    It always is. Simplify, then add lightness.
    The thing is, road cars today are doing the exact opposite. Complicate, then add weight.
    I honestly think a car with low weight and a small naturally aspirated engine > heavy one with hybrid systems in it.

  • @dartagnanx1
    @dartagnanx1 10 лет назад

    Ridiculous comparison, but so fun! Thank you.

  • @GripEnemy.
    @GripEnemy. 10 лет назад +18

    Useless comparison, but damn! 140K for a turbo 991 911! Id rather get myself a used 458 or 12C. I love Porsche to bits but they are in the wrong price range for their cars.

    • @rmlambert95
      @rmlambert95 10 лет назад +38

      It's better then an Italia in every way apart from looks. It destroys it performance wise. Its the right price range.

    • @ciber101010101
      @ciber101010101 10 лет назад +21

      You get what you pay out of a Porsche, trust me...

    • @PorscheSweden
      @PorscheSweden 10 лет назад +15

      Don't judge the pricerange of cars when you barely can afford to pay insureance for one of them. Porsche is way more value for money, a brand new 458 Italia with the "must have options" will charge you more money than you'll cover in a lifetime! Ferrari are silly expensive and they hold their value like shit! A Porsche costs alot because it's quailty will outlast your life, Ferrari cost alot because they can charge alot, nothing else.

    • @GiveMeABloodyUser
      @GiveMeABloodyUser 10 лет назад +2

      its way to expensive for a porsche i agree

    • @farnum3297
      @farnum3297 10 лет назад +4

      well better have at least 50k put aside for your maintenance for your pre-owned Fezza .. nice car and everything but in the real world... good luck !

  • @shooter7a
    @shooter7a 4 года назад +1

    LOL....this is an F4 car. This class is specifically tailored for first year race car drivers...namely young kart racers who have never even driven a race car. Sealed motors, sealed ratios, minimal adjustments, you can not even play with the dampers. (3) spring sets you can use. The next class up...F3. An F3 cars has almost 2x the HP (300-320), wider and grippier tires, and will go a LOT faster. In this track, and F3 car would lap in the 1:05 range in the hands of a proper driver.

    • @INDIGOBLUE555
      @INDIGOBLUE555 4 года назад

      Which is the average speed on this short twisty track ?
      I guess the F4 would be quicker even on a longer and faster circuit as like as Spa...do you agree ?

    • @shooter7a
      @shooter7a 3 года назад

      @@INDIGOBLUE555 actually no....an F4 does not have a lot of power, and has more drag than a properly engineered sports car. Its advantage is in the corners. A fast track like Spa or Monza would actually give the production car an advantage. But move up to an F3 car...lol...there is not a street legal car in existence that can compare to a car of that level or higher.

    • @INDIGOBLUE555
      @INDIGOBLUE555 3 года назад

      @@shooter7a Thanks for your answer. I agree,
      an F3 would destroy any street legal supercar on most circuits let apart ovals.
      I guess even at Monza an F3 would lap quicker than any street legal car.

  • @thor_mtb9588
    @thor_mtb9588 9 лет назад

    Chewbacca taking a photo in 2:21 :D

  • @brandyniemeyer2227
    @brandyniemeyer2227 7 лет назад +1

    Why were they claming that the f4 was a two cylinder when it clearly had 4 pipes on the header?!?

  • @Trollygag
    @Trollygag 10 лет назад +1

    So, for £45k, you could get a track car that is mind-blowingly faster around a track than the 911 Turbo S.
    And for £12k, you could get a bike that is mind-blowingly faster on the road than the 911 Turbo S.
    But to get both pretty fast on a track and on the street, you have to pay £141k.

  • @Cur8or88
    @Cur8or88 10 лет назад +3

    How about a GTI vs a P1?

  • @fergusfox7056
    @fergusfox7056 7 лет назад

    would be interesting to see how a 911 GT3 cup car would compare

  • @jonnyspace50
    @jonnyspace50 9 лет назад +32

    A civic type r could outrun an f1 car

    • @MrBigL100
      @MrBigL100 9 лет назад +2

      +jack dalisa In your dreams maybe. It cant even outrun this Porsche. The tested Car on the Nurburgring everyone talks about is not serial, it was called a "near serial prototype".

    • @jonnyspace50
      @jonnyspace50 9 лет назад +30

      MrBigL100 it's a joke

    • @racingislife15
      @racingislife15 9 лет назад +7

      +jack dalisa as a civic driver (my daily) i definitely agree. f1 car doesn't have anywhere close to a chance. haha nd f1 cars now have only 2 more cylinders! and some turbos. they got nothing on my naturally aspirated inline 4 though! ;D

    • @shawnkiller90
      @shawnkiller90 9 лет назад +1

      +Connor DeYoung Racing Video proof or keep dreaming.Show us ur DD with upgrades vs the aforementioned car...
      MAKE SURE to post link here of your car where you call me out in video of you as you race.....

    • @racingislife15
      @racingislife15 9 лет назад +12

      shawnkiller90 dude chill it was a joke lmao. Civics are the slowest things on the face of the planet haha

  • @suomenpresidentti
    @suomenpresidentti 8 лет назад +2

    Would be nice see whatkind of car is in turn 6 seconds slower than the porsche, just to get the idea how big the 6 second gap really is.

    • @CockatooDude
      @CockatooDude 8 лет назад

      Probably like a Golf R or something, or maybe even a GTI.

  • @GraveUypo
    @GraveUypo Год назад

    that porshce lap cut corners like crazy. so the actual difference is even larger.

  • @stockey
    @stockey 9 лет назад

    is the 911 on racing slicks like the F4 ?

  • @yousuflootah
    @yousuflootah 10 лет назад

    I wish to see the Turbo S pitted against the GTR. I own a 2014 turbo S and I await to see a showdown between the two from autocar

  • @lapamful
    @lapamful 9 лет назад

    It's obvious from the numbers (not to mention simple common sense) who would win. But it's just nice to see what all those numbers really look like in the real world. Good vid Autocar!

  • @Kylo_Ren_2033
    @Kylo_Ren_2033 10 лет назад +3

    Why not try 918 spyder vs Formula 4 ?

    • @satolatifi24
      @satolatifi24 3 года назад

      F4 cant beat that but a F3 probably can

  • @mikelyon5595
    @mikelyon5595 10 лет назад

    Turbo S with slicks? Exciting comparison though!

  • @FarizYahya
    @FarizYahya 10 лет назад

    I guess many of those who commented here forget that "fun" exist.
    Of course it is pointless to compare these two, but no harm in doing so, it was quite intriguing.

  • @GT-hh3ts
    @GT-hh3ts 9 лет назад

    Cant drive the formula 4 on the street , obviously. Its awesome on the track and priced pretty damn well. Can anyone buy one of these?

  • @horacio2603
    @horacio2603 10 лет назад

    A well known and endlessly champion of Argentina motor racing challenged a TC (check it) car with a BMW M5....same story, the race purpose built car has no compromise, it is always faster around the track.

  • @granturismomh
    @granturismomh 5 лет назад

    Formula 4 are declared the victor because it's not just the speed that the break horsepower increase, also lightweight chassis that has the abilities to hande the corners and turns that retains the medium speed. 😀🏁🏎👍

  • @DJzSith
    @DJzSith 10 лет назад +1

    *Cant wait to drive my single seater :D*

  • @realisticfrankie
    @realisticfrankie 9 лет назад

    Its necessary to take in consideration how good the driver is as well

  • @TheYouFail
    @TheYouFail 9 лет назад

    In the stats of the 911 at the beginning it says it is RWD then goes on about how it puts the power down with it's complex AWD...

  • @SpyderRios
    @SpyderRios 10 лет назад +1

    My question is can the Formula 4 be used on normal roads, if so then that ll be so bad ass.

  • @roberthunker8957
    @roberthunker8957 10 лет назад

    Maybe they should have put some slicks on the Porsche. Tires make such a difference. Or road tires on the F4 car it would not have any grip at all. Still impressive how fast the little F4 car is tho.

  • @shadowwsk3507
    @shadowwsk3507 5 лет назад

    Those F4 cars are like karts with wings

  • @duhguyfrombrooklyn1693
    @duhguyfrombrooklyn1693 7 лет назад

    Looks like they had some fun

  • @thejumbo
    @thejumbo 10 лет назад +1

    I wish he'd let the PDK do the work - no doubt it would be faster than him.

  • @000Haze
    @000Haze 10 лет назад

    Racing car beats road car on a racetrack, news at 7!
    Always wondered why more people don't buy things like this F4 car for trackdays, amazing performance and not outrageously expensive either. Comfortable road car with a trailer for your racing car >>>>>>>>>>>>> track car with plates in my opinion. Why compromise?

  • @Crusader1815
    @Crusader1815 7 лет назад

    Not enough is said about the fact that the F4 car weighs LESS THAN A THIRD what the Porsche weighs. 515kg vs 1605kg. That's a huge difference, especially when it has fat racing tires. The power to weight ratios are actually similar in these cars, but mass is mass, and a circuit with any turns in it is going to slow down the massive road car.

  • @koukiR32
    @koukiR32 10 лет назад +92

    Exactly.... Porsche just useless.... it's heavy and bulky..... F4 car is the obvious choice.

    • @swinglow33
      @swinglow33 10 лет назад +57

      Rarely do you hear someone say that Porsche is useless because it's heavy and bulky. lol But when you're comparing apples to oranges...

    • @MarksmanGamingVideos
      @MarksmanGamingVideos 10 лет назад +26

      is that sarcasm?

    • @dumyjobby
      @dumyjobby 10 лет назад +36

      go to work and do shopping in a F4 car, very pleasent experience

    • @MarksmanGamingVideos
      @MarksmanGamingVideos 10 лет назад +1

      Dumy Jobby that's why i asked. I obviously think that the porsche is better but some people really like pure performance on the track. nothing more, and for that the f4 car is better.

    • @ManS1ayr
      @ManS1ayr 10 лет назад +1

      MarksmanGamingVideos this video does prove though if you are shopping for a track day car don't waste your money on a porsche. I'm sure lots of people buy porsches only for track/recreational use and this video proves there are much better options out there. Fair comparison

  • @SpyrosFougias
    @SpyrosFougias 10 лет назад +2

    What if you put slicks on the Porsche?

    • @pandabearguy1
      @pandabearguy1 7 лет назад +1

      what if you put 550hp in the F4?

  • @EVILSPAWN1000
    @EVILSPAWN1000 10 лет назад

    Give the 911 slicks too,i mean give it SOME sort of a fighting chance

  • @alouisschafer7212
    @alouisschafer7212 3 года назад

    Wow those things are quick. So if you want the best laptimes for your money get an open wheeler like an F4 car and a car trailer

    • @Wbc1811
      @Wbc1811 2 года назад

      you need a lot more than just a trailer to maintain an f4 car, keep in mind you cant just order parts online for those

  • @BariumCobaltNitrog3n
    @BariumCobaltNitrog3n 7 лет назад

    Six seconds on that track is like 6 minutes on the Ring