You know it's a good day when Barry releases a video... Even better when it features our ASR 6 and the new industry-leading D-BOX Generation 5 Haptic System. Let's goooo!
@@spiritchaser4337 We have yet to test their latest models. We'll be have them side by side for a true comparison. PT-Actuator looks good on paper, while D-BOX performs on spec at maximum load. Care to share more about your experience? Latency is everything when it comes to motion systems, if you aren't sub 50ms, it brings no use whatsoever to the experience, especially for professional training.
@@advancedsimracing Dbox uses "canned" FX rather than telemetry correct? What are the pros/cons vs a telemetry system? Will you carry competitor products like Sigma Integrale?
@@barryconvex416 D-BOX is the only haptics / motion company that works with the studios to get the proper telemetry from the game to its controller via their SDK package. They use raw, real-time telemetry. It's built-into the games and curated by the game developpers, rather than "sniffed" out. We have no plans to carry any other system at this time simply based on the fact that all our attempts to compare have been inconclusive unfortunately. Hearing Sigma is making amazing progress however. Seems we are due for another test run!
@@advancedsimracing I'm interested in motion but the D-Box is quite expensive. A comparable set from Sigma seems to offer a lot of value. Unfortunately it's not easy to have a test run of multiple systems before making a decision. Thanks for the background info on the technical aspects of D-Box!
@@advancedsimracing I have a NLR V3 motion platform....know you're biased 😆, but what will be my experience if I opt for the ASR6 vs the P1X which has specialised V3 mounting brackets - crazy job & demanding family duties, so heads up : DIY may be a challenge 🙈
@@advancedsimracing Risk of another "biased"response:))....if I do indeed go with the new ASR6, any thoughts on adding the new NLR motion plus platform to my existing NLR V3 platform - effectively at a combined cost of $7k or cash-out on a pretty good offer for my existing V3 (@ a $300 haircut/loss) and then purchasing the new Dbox gen 5 system @~$7k? Btw, is there any deal if I buy the latter from ASR's site directly?
Ah, I understand the question now that I see who posted it! 😂 There servo controllers have been “on-board the rig” for years now. I have G3 and I no issues. Let’s see what happens .
I’d have to deep dive the differences between G3 and G5 dbox units. Honestly fantastic video, finished my whole large coffee watching it. Thanks! Edit: nevermind g5 is cheaper
Hmm makes me think they should maybe design a system where the actuator portion of the device is at the bottom and acts as the feet of a sim setup, which will cut the "sprung mass" of the rig down quite a bit. Not having the weight of 4 of these heavy duty devices added to the rig would make a big difference, I'd imagine.
Did you also look at the sigma integrale dk2/2+ system? I’m looking at that and the dbox g5 which is more expensive but has more game/sim integration and of course is a larger company.
Still debating between the gen 5 and an Dk2+. The sigma guys are 30 minutes down the road so I’d like to support them. But I would like the best available. They seem awfully close in performance though.
Best way to know is to give them both a try. Are you close Burbank? We have two rigs with D-BOX available for testing (invite-only). Please do let me know if I can help arrange a visit 😁
For me 3k less than the G3 is still out of any simracer budget… with 7k you can built full rig with triples direct drive and motion. For me simrig sr1 are the best affordable motion system for us normal sim racers. Tried and tested.
Barry, thank you for your hard work and the detailed videos. One thing I don't understand: is it "more realistic" to have the monitors mounted to the moving rig or to keep it fixed on the floor while the rig moves? Thank you
Sim software is already simulating car movement in the screen. Motion rig and motion screens will probably have more movement that you need to feel. Besides of that, you would be adding more weight to your rig and your motion system will need handle a higher load. On top of that, your monitors and their electronics were not created to vibrate, and 3 monitor config will be most likely misaligned easily. Imho
I would like to see a ranking of similar motion systems. SR1 vs Dbox vs Ptactuators etc. I can never tell what is best. You seem to like most. What is your favorite system? Thanks
My take D-Box, Sigma Integrale, Pt Actuators, SFX-100, SR1 NLR has one now too, and they have the easiest to configure motion software of any out there, not sure how it stacks up.
@@johnambers I'd be curious to know what makes you think so. Apart from ease of setup, i can only list features that make the dbox system less capable than pt or eracing lab/sfx150....and at a significantly higher price.
@@L_Emir_de_Passy I very well could be wrong and I know the D-Box is premium priced but from what I have read and watched is that they firstly run on most every game with ease of setup, secondly, they have some of the best subtle feelings along with dynamic range. I have heard the motor vibration is next level. They are quieter than a lot of other actuators from what I gather, which is big for me. I do know their response is slower but from all reviews, it doesn't seem to be a problem. At $7000 they are not bad as they used to be. What do you think is the best high-end actuator? I am looking to build a system soon.
Barry, please could you get your hands on and review a Simcraft APEX 6? I realize this is far too expensive for most of us but it’s good to dream and shoot for the stars!
Hello, Barry. I follow your reviews for a long time and like it very much. Great job and thank you. I consider buying a motion platform and not sure which one to choose. PT-actuator, Cubic of D-box. I would like to hear your expert opinion: which one of them is the most realistic and immersive? Thank you
Be aware, if you have RJ45 cable issue on your GEN5, DBOX support told me the cable could not be change and I have to buy a new actuator. Really poor design and support.
so what is the best set up, all the toys and be plug and drive..............and best guess total cost for someone that just wants to drive drive butts off ? not sure my man cave can fits its all in but.....never know
Where is gen4 and how do you expect your customers to buy a product knowing something 3k cheaper might be around the corner! A proud owner of g1 and will stay that way :)
I'm missing a review from Barry. Anyway I found a weeks ago a good offer at Amazon and bought two units (front and rear). I hope I didn't a mistake. I'm still waiting for them to arrive.
I notice a 2 actuator option for sale, would that be to compete with something like the Next Level Racing Motion Plus? That might be a nice option for someone looking to break the bank a little bit at a time.
Indeed! It's a more cost-effective approach that works extremely well for open-wheeler racing. You don't really need heave while driving F1 for example. (the 3rd degree of freedom you get from 4 actuators) : More info right here - www.advancedsimracing.com/products/d-box-generation-5-2250i-haptic-system-1-5-travel-range-2-actuators
I tried to find a price but couldn't. I think it's around 7000$ for 3dof? Evidently, they don't have a problem finding costumers at this price. But I'm still surprised that people would spend that much when you get more capable systems for half or even almost a third of the price. What does the dbox system do that the $2500 eracing lab kit can't do?...i don't know... What i do know is the dbox system can't make you feel slopes or banks as well... spa, brands hatch, daytona... those tracks benefit greatly form a 150mm actuator... the only advantage I see is how much easier it seems to set up the system... A few plugs and good to go.... I've never tried dbox but it doesn't seem to behave exceptionally different compared to the rest.
No experience with the Eracing kits but coming from SFX100 with Thanos and SRS I find the D-box to be a lot “smoother”, the software to me was easier to tune and get just how I want it. The transducer effect is awesome so no need for bass shakers. Is it worth 2-3x as much…no. Just like real cars you pay that premium for a little gain. If you want to do flight sims and rally and trucks get the DK2+ I’d say. Me I am perfectly happy with my D-BOX no regrets.
And to answer your question, D-BOX is the only system that can do 0-100hz vibration superimposed with motion. Meaning you can get a lot of subtle cues on how the car is behaving at all times, all while feeling braking, acceleration and a slight bit of banking.
@@damiengvideos4337 Thank for sharing.... Had you tried the engine vibration function of SRS ?... Pretty effective i think .. i don't have any bass shakers either... I guess I'll never know what you mean by "smoother " as long as I don't try it myself. But srs/sfx150 combo is tuneable to infinity.. from super smooth to super harsh...took me time to get it right but it's perfect now.
I have no place near me to test it out but one of the things I feel will be important for me is feel of g-force when accelerating or braking. Do you get that feel/experience? I want to get one, but not sure what kind of exp is it beyond feeling bumps and corners.
LOL Barry’s rig barely moves with the G5’s 1.5” of travel. It is just not enough. G-forces and gear shifting would be minimal. You’ll feel the curbs, that’s about it.
Hello sir , I have a TR8 pro sim rig and I was looking into some kind of motion system but it’s hard to find anything made for my model. do you know any motion rigs that will bolt up to the TR8 pro? Or with some fab will work Thanks for you help !
If I had the money, I would probably pair the eracing lab Rs mega+ along with the next level seat mover and simxperience G5 Gseat. So you have the SFX for road and bumps feel, the seatmover for GeForce along with the Gseat for extra GeForce immersion (Recommend you have a harness on). I'd say if tuned right, It'll be the most realistic motion out there, All this will be around 13 grand which it's very expensive but a lot cheaper than the allmajor brands. And I recommend you placing the triple monitors on the motion rig itself so you'll get a one to one feel. Or just get a vr😊
Hello friend, can you guide me on my purchase. currently i want sr2 you tried the simrig1 now they have a new version.. Do you think it is worth the purchase and if you can help me tell me. Is there much difference with the dk2, for example??
Do I really see a plastic part pressed on a metal engine axle doing all the heavy lifting? That’s cheap and will break as soon as the plastic get brittle and breaks. You usually found such bad design in cheap Asian VHS recorders. (Yes I mean you, Panasonic).
Again Barry you are the man. I'm waiting your Asetek invicta review pedala. But about all this motion, sorry to say thy. It don't make you more faster and really I can say is just money catching. Why you never see the pro racers with motions sistems? Is simple there is no value in this sistems. And if you see a prorated just for marketing buy they never drive in competitions with motikns. So no argument for me, just gadget.
You know it's a good day when Barry releases a video... Even better when it features our ASR 6 and the new industry-leading D-BOX Generation 5 Haptic System. Let's goooo!
@@spiritchaser4337 We have yet to test their latest models. We'll be have them side by side for a true comparison. PT-Actuator looks good on paper, while D-BOX performs on spec at maximum load. Care to share more about your experience? Latency is everything when it comes to motion systems, if you aren't sub 50ms, it brings no use whatsoever to the experience, especially for professional training.
@@advancedsimracing Dbox uses "canned" FX rather than telemetry correct? What are the pros/cons vs a telemetry system? Will you carry competitor products like Sigma Integrale?
@@barryconvex416 D-BOX is the only haptics / motion company that works with the studios to get the proper telemetry from the game to its controller via their SDK package. They use raw, real-time telemetry. It's built-into the games and curated by the game developpers, rather than "sniffed" out. We have no plans to carry any other system at this time simply based on the fact that all our attempts to compare have been inconclusive unfortunately. Hearing Sigma is making amazing progress however. Seems we are due for another test run!
@@advancedsimracing I'm interested in motion but the D-Box is quite expensive. A comparable set from Sigma seems to offer a lot of value. Unfortunately it's not easy to have a test run of multiple systems before making a decision. Thanks for the background info on the technical aspects of D-Box!
The rig and dbox look great. I really want one but as Barry stated, the Sigma looks great too.
Really need too update the titles you use to test. For any actuator motion system, testing ACC and DR2 are a must 😀
Yes, but he does "the lucas trucks" and "the rally car"😆
Excellent timing, looking at picking up an ASR6 soon.
Wise choice. I'm a little biased, but wise choice. 🙃
I have an ASR6 and couldn't be happier. Wish I would have bought it as my first rig. Feels like a solid block of granite that will last a lifetime.
@@advancedsimracing I have a NLR V3 motion platform....know you're biased 😆, but what will be my experience if I opt for the ASR6 vs the P1X which has specialised V3 mounting brackets - crazy job & demanding family duties, so heads up : DIY may be a challenge 🙈
@@advancedsimracing Risk of another "biased"response:))....if I do indeed go with the new ASR6, any thoughts on adding the new NLR motion plus platform to my existing NLR V3 platform - effectively at a combined cost of $7k or cash-out on a pretty good offer for my existing V3 (@ a $300 haircut/loss) and then purchasing the new Dbox gen 5 system @~$7k?
Btw, is there any deal if I buy the latter from ASR's site directly?
Your delivery of technical insight and practical overview is much appreciated. 👍
Thank you for such a well presented and thorough review. :)
love the VRS shortcut on the desktop!!!!
I wonder who's great idea was to include the servo drive electronics, in the vibration path... better be aerospace quality. Lol
Ah, I understand the question now that I see who posted it! 😂 There servo controllers have been “on-board the rig” for years now. I have G3 and I no issues. Let’s see what happens .
Thank you Barry!
I’d have to deep dive the differences between G3 and G5 dbox units. Honestly fantastic video, finished my whole large coffee watching it. Thanks! Edit: nevermind g5 is cheaper
Short version... Exact same specs and performance, sleeker form factor with G5, about 2K$ cheaper.
@@advancedsimracing wow that’s all great news thank you.
Hmm makes me think they should maybe design a system where the actuator portion of the device is at the bottom and acts as the feet of a sim setup, which will cut the "sprung mass" of the rig down quite a bit. Not having the weight of 4 of these heavy duty devices added to the rig would make a big difference, I'd imagine.
I have the ASR 4 using this exactly same configuration and it's excellent, couldn't recommend it more.
Did you also look at the sigma integrale dk2/2+ system? I’m looking at that and the dbox g5 which is more expensive but has more game/sim integration and of course is a larger company.
Still debating between the gen 5 and an Dk2+. The sigma guys are 30 minutes down the road so I’d like to support them. But I would like the best available. They seem awfully close in performance though.
Best way to know is to give them both a try. Are you close Burbank? We have two rigs with D-BOX available for testing (invite-only). Please do let me know if I can help arrange a visit 😁
Please let me where you are located in Miami and for how much you are selling dbox systems
@@RobertoOrtis We should have a serup running sometime this fall at an exotic and luxury dealership called The Collection.
@@advancedsimracing awesome! I hope to be there to try it out.
For me 3k less than the G3 is still out of any simracer budget… with 7k you can built full rig with triples direct drive and motion. For me simrig sr1 are the best affordable motion system for us normal sim racers. Tried and tested.
Are you going to review the Logitech G PRO Racing Wheel ? We need a good review from somebody that is not paid by Logitech ;)
Barry, thank you for your hard work and the detailed videos. One thing I don't understand: is it "more realistic" to have the monitors mounted to the moving rig or to keep it fixed on the floor while the rig moves? Thank you
Good question!
Sim software is already simulating car movement in the screen. Motion rig and motion screens will probably have more movement that you need to feel. Besides of that, you would be adding more weight to your rig and your motion system will need handle a higher load. On top of that, your monitors and their electronics were not created to vibrate, and 3 monitor config will be most likely misaligned easily. Imho
I would like to see a ranking of similar motion systems. SR1 vs Dbox vs Ptactuators etc. I can never tell what is best. You seem to like most. What is your favorite system? Thanks
Add sigma integrale to that list
My take D-Box, Sigma Integrale, Pt Actuators, SFX-100, SR1
NLR has one now too, and they have the easiest to configure motion software of any out there, not sure how it stacks up.
@@markkovalcson7243 I do get the impression D-Box is best. At least the price is getting better.
@@johnambers I'd be curious to know what makes you think so. Apart from ease of setup, i can only list features that make the dbox system less capable than pt or eracing lab/sfx150....and at a significantly higher price.
@@L_Emir_de_Passy I very well could be wrong and I know the D-Box is premium priced but from what I have read and watched is that they firstly run on most every game with ease of setup, secondly, they have some of the best subtle feelings along with dynamic range. I have heard the motor vibration is next level. They are quieter than a lot of other actuators from what I gather, which is big for me. I do know their response is slower but from all reviews, it doesn't seem to be a problem. At $7000 they are not bad as they used to be. What do you think is the best high-end actuator? I am looking to build a system soon.
Barry, please could you get your hands on and review a Simcraft APEX 6? I realize this is far too expensive for most of us but it’s good to dream and shoot for the stars!
Love my Gen 5! I was worried about EMI but has not been a problem at all even with VR.
What rig are you using it with?
@@lukebraddford3287 SimLab P1X
EMI on modern hardware should not exist. If it does than its faulty/poorly designed and should not be on the market.
@@damiengvideos4337 thanks. I have simlab gt evo and wonder how it would work with it
@@lukebraddford3287 should work just fine. Make sure to get the mounts Advanced Sim Racing sells…they attach to the underside of the profile.
Game compatibility and ease of use for the D-Box units.
Its so expensive for me to watch your videos. I end up wanting to buy everything.
Hello, Barry. I follow your reviews for a long time and like it very much. Great job and thank you. I consider buying a motion platform and not sure which one to choose. PT-actuator, Cubic of D-box. I would like to hear your expert opinion: which one of them is the most realistic and immersive? Thank you
you're asking the wrong questions
Be aware, if you have RJ45 cable issue on your GEN5, DBOX support told me the cable could not be change and I have to buy a new actuator. Really poor design and support.
hi! u tested a lof of motion systems - can u compare them and highlight a best of them?
The price is well, expensive, to say the least. But SRG for the win!
yeah lol i dont ever bother watching these videos tbh, why bother i cant afford them
The Dbox Website is pretty terrible. Not easy to look at a complete list of products. They also do not sell direct?
I agree, whomever is their webmaster has not done them right. Dizzying and nauseating.
They don’t sell direct, but do have a list of resellers
Dk2+ or Dbox G5 ? What do you recomend?
Does anyone know how long a d-box or any actuator system would last?
so what is the best set up, all the toys and be plug and drive..............and best guess total cost for someone that just wants to drive drive butts off ? not sure my man cave can fits its all in but.....never know
I spy a LabRadar in the background, have you been doing load development?
Where is gen4 and how do you expect your customers to buy a product knowing something 3k cheaper might be around the corner! A proud owner of g1 and will stay that way :)
Would you recommend the motion plus platform front and rear?
I'm missing a review from Barry. Anyway I found a weeks ago a good offer at Amazon and bought two units (front and rear). I hope I didn't a mistake. I'm still waiting for them to arrive.
Are you planning to test the new Simagic Alpha U ?
I notice a 2 actuator option for sale, would that be to compete with something like the Next Level Racing Motion Plus? That might be a nice option for someone looking to break the bank a little bit at a time.
Indeed! It's a more cost-effective approach that works extremely well for open-wheeler racing. You don't really need heave while driving F1 for example. (the 3rd degree of freedom you get from 4 actuators) : More info right here - www.advancedsimracing.com/products/d-box-generation-5-2250i-haptic-system-1-5-travel-range-2-actuators
Does anyone know what seat Barry is using here? I like all the vents it appears to have.
The opening sound of the video... what car and engine is it??
I tried to find a price but couldn't. I think it's around 7000$ for 3dof? Evidently, they don't have a problem finding costumers at this price. But I'm still surprised that people would spend that much when you get more capable systems for half or even almost a third of the price. What does the dbox system do that the $2500 eracing lab kit can't do?...i don't know... What i do know is the dbox system can't make you feel slopes or banks as well... spa, brands hatch, daytona... those tracks benefit greatly form a 150mm actuator... the only advantage I see is how much easier it seems to set up the system... A few plugs and good to go.... I've never tried dbox but it doesn't seem to behave exceptionally different compared to the rest.
No experience with the Eracing kits but coming from SFX100 with Thanos and SRS I find the D-box to be a lot “smoother”, the software to me was easier to tune and get just how I want it. The transducer effect is awesome so no need for bass shakers. Is it worth 2-3x as much…no. Just like real cars you pay that premium for a little gain. If you want to do flight sims and rally and trucks get the DK2+ I’d say. Me I am perfectly happy with my D-BOX no regrets.
Prices for North America available here : www.advancedsimracing.com/collections/d-box
And to answer your question, D-BOX is the only system that can do 0-100hz vibration superimposed with motion. Meaning you can get a lot of subtle cues on how the car is behaving at all times, all while feeling braking, acceleration and a slight bit of banking.
@@damiengvideos4337 Thank for sharing.... Had you tried the engine vibration function of SRS ?... Pretty effective i think .. i don't have any bass shakers either... I guess I'll never know what you mean by "smoother " as long as I don't try it myself. But srs/sfx150 combo is tuneable to infinity.. from super smooth to super harsh...took me time to get it right but it's perfect now.
@@advancedsimracing I see... Ill have to try it .. though, it won't be a game changer for me i imagine
I have no place near me to test it out but one of the things I feel will be important for me is feel of g-force when accelerating or braking. Do you get that feel/experience? I want to get one, but not sure what kind of exp is it beyond feeling bumps and corners.
LOL Barry’s rig barely moves with the G5’s 1.5” of travel. It is just not enough. G-forces and gear shifting would be minimal. You’ll feel the curbs, that’s about it.
Hello, why you feel more the rumble strip with gen3 than gen5 ?
Hello sir , I have a TR8 pro sim rig and I was looking into some kind of motion system but it’s hard to find anything made for my model. do you know any motion rigs that will bolt up to the TR8 pro? Or with some fab will work Thanks for you help !
Whats better this or dof reality rigs like the h3?
what motion system do you recommend if budget isnt an issue and the most realistic for you?
If I had the money, I would probably pair the eracing lab Rs mega+ along with the next level seat mover and simxperience G5 Gseat. So you have the SFX for road and bumps feel, the seatmover for GeForce along with the Gseat for extra GeForce immersion (Recommend you have a harness on). I'd say if tuned right, It'll be the most realistic motion out there, All this will be around 13 grand which it's very expensive but a lot cheaper than the allmajor brands. And I recommend you placing the triple monitors on the motion rig itself so you'll get a one to one feel. Or just get a vr😊
What Rally sim was he playing at 1:28:27?
Hello friend, can you guide me on my purchase.
currently i want sr2 you tried the simrig1 now they have a new version..
Do you think it is worth the purchase and if you can help me tell me.
Is there much difference with the dk2, for example??
I’m looking to get the dbox HF-L4 system any thoughts on it?
review cammus wheelbase pls
Would it be possible to install it on Fanatec Rennsport V2?
Can someone please tell me what pedals those all, thanks
Can this with for the asr-f
he's usually more straight forward with his final impressions. this video was meh imo. hope there's no conflicts of interest.
Do I really see a plastic part pressed on a metal engine axle doing all the heavy lifting? That’s cheap and will break as soon as the plastic get brittle and breaks. You usually found such bad design in cheap Asian VHS recorders. (Yes I mean you, Panasonic).
UK cost £9000 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣
Again Barry you are the man. I'm waiting your Asetek invicta review pedala. But about all this motion, sorry to say thy. It don't make you more faster and really I can say is just money catching. Why you never see the pro racers with motions sistems? Is simple there is no value in this sistems. And if you see a prorated just for marketing buy they never drive in competitions with motikns. So no argument for me, just gadget.
Motion is about fun, not the best possible lap time.
Well after watching this it is going to Race@home for the PT Actuators. Just bad software from D box.