PT Actuator Champion GT Motion System Review - If You Can Afford One... Buy One!
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I've measured and can confirm 125mm of travel, website error showing 100mm.
14:15 😂 i replayed this 3 times lol looks amazing
Hey Karl, just FYI I asked a German retailer about this. They said "The actuator can mechanically move 125mm, but for safety reasons, it's limited to 100mm. It's a somewhat awkward wording from the manufacturer."
However, no matter how much it ends up being during racing, as long as you say it feels cool, I am saving my money for this :D
Thanks for the great review, these look amazing. Good to see these sort of systems finally becoming more affordable.
Sold! Thanks for the video, I just found PT-Actuators a few days ago and your video sold me.
Ah enjoy mate!
did you buy it?
Fantastic and timely review. Had been thinking about a motion system, but even if you can afford it, it's still expensive so I chose to go slowly knowing I would eventually hit the button (as I always do when it comes to simracing). This product changes everything. Was seriously looking super-hard at a D-Box system with much, much lower specs (not the one in the video), and a much higher price. So this changes everything. Prices really need to come down significantly in this area or some companies are going to have a really hard time with anyone but their commercial customers.
Agreed mate, I think this kit is good value for what you get and compared to other offerings in the market.
It may not be clear in this review but the discount referred to in this wonderful video expires on Oct 1st 2023
This looks amazing! Thanks for the review, Karl.
No worries!
Thanks so much for you video. I’m interested in some movement on the rig for sure and will look at all options, including this one.
Glad it was helpful!
I've about a month in my SFX-100, seems like this is pretty much analogous. I think they are probably both great choices at this price point.
I looked at the paper performance of things like the D-Box and I was worried the SFX-100 wouldn't feel fast enough, but having driven it in all sorts of cars I'm really happy with it and I have a decently substantial haptic setup that fills in gaps for ABS, TCS, road vibration, engine vibration & all the finer detail stuff. Together it blew my mind, but the journey never ends and I'm looking at adding G-Seat as a solution for Surge & Lateral-G Sway.
thanks Karl, I found this review very insightful. Also the comments section adds extra details - which I personally found as an awesome help. Myself, I am planning to buy the motion system. I expect that many people are like me where all of the options are either expensive, very expensive or ridiculously expensive. Therefore, each review is a gold mine of information. Personally, I found it shocking that anyone in the PT sat down in the room and gave thumbs up for glue solution being used as the solution for the "sale ready" product and kudos to Ben then for reaching out to PT and escalating it.
Karl - in one of your comments you mentioned that PT Champion GT has the same specs as eracing Labs Mega+. Speed wise that is true 250m/s but the travel of the actuator is different in that case PT 125mm vs 150mm eracing labs or am I missing something?
Mega+ is 150mm mate yes, the difference going from 125mm to 150mm is not that noticeable in use (it's a small increase really), but going from say 38mm (D-Box) to 125mm is huge at almost four times the travel so the Mega+ is close enough for a price comparison.
Great review Karl. I'm running an E Racing Lab RS mega plus. 150mm travel. Still going strong after a year.
buying mine in the next week or 2 - can't justify in any way the high price of the PTs, nor the low rider, sure - its lower to ground, but at helluva markup in price
They do look great value if you're in the US, I think after shipping, import tax, VAT they would be quite close to the PT kit over here, but the spec is the same so either setup is great!
Total import tax for the RS mega+ is only £180 according to someone in UK who just finished installing one. And no the spec doesn't seem to be the same. 750W + 150mm for eracing and only 600W + 125mm for the GT???. @@KarlGosling
Same here have had mine almost a year and I love them glad I went with eracing lab rs mega +.
Hey Karl!! You can use a second Champion GT kit, obviously with actuators fitted for TL and Surge mechanically, but it will show up in SRS as a single controller with 8 actuators!!! So yes, there is upgrade path... 😉
I already talked with Bob for this possibility. I guess he must have gotten confused on the options for expandability, as his current lowrider comes setup with the classic AMC-AASD15A Thanos controller.
I spoke to SRS and didn't get the impression this was possible....but then 125 s and tl isn't really enough to notice.
@@raceathome it's simple, you can use Thanos4U for your lowrider for people need it in combination with Champion GT... set as "slave" it will integrate and show up as one controller in SRS...
“China man’s white jizz” really made me chuckle Karl. 👏🏻
Nice. If I had a permanent space for my rig. Motion would be great. Appreciate your reviews mate. Honest viewpoints even if I don't agree. Appreciate it.
Thanks mate!
@@KarlGosling most welcome.
Great video! I’m running a similar motion rig. Im just curious if there is a way for you to share your SRS motion profile or at least the motion smoothing values you’re using for pitch, surge, sway, yaw, roll, heave and traction loss in Dirt 2.0? I’m having a hard time to find good values for those. 🧐
Good review Karl. Once I've finished upgrading what I need to I might look in this sort of direction. Shame it hasn’t got a low rider option though.
Maybe in time Barry, who knows?!
Maybe next week
Karl, thanks for this video and for showing how quiet the actuators are during the slow test cycle... but how much noise do they make when used in anger? Example, in your Dirt Rally section, if the game was muted how loud would the actuators be? I really wish reviewers would always show this. Cheers.
would be interested as well. I saw the RS Mega+ that was also very quiet in "slow motion," but when they had to change quickly in a real racing situation, they were much louder.
Your rig is awesome - I'd never leave the house !
lol cheers!
He has to leave the house to get his back fixed
Hi im very interested in this type of system. I have my rig upstairs in my house will it be unbearable downstairs for peole watching tv? You showed how quiet it is in the room which is great.
Update. We have paired the Champ kit with our 5 and 6 DoF platforms.
How to compare these with Simrig SR2 ?
How much play is there in the actuators during small movement changes? Can you limit the movement to say +/- 1mm and still have the rig moving smoothly without going DAKKADAKKADAKKA?
Looks good, maybe £1000 more than an rsmega+ though after shipping and taxes. But race@home having quicker delivery, and it's nice to be able to speak to someone close if there are any problems definitely is a reason as to why its something I'm looking into. One thing I noticed though was the race@home website states 100mm travel in the initial description, but then says +125mm, as seen on the spec sheet shown in Karl's video. I'd like some clarification if poss. Either way I want one.
125mm mate, website error which I believe they are working on (whole new site).
Eracing-lab is a step up from using plain SFX-100 parts. Let me put it this way: Its like comparing a Ferrari to a 2CV... both drive, but there is an obvious quality question 😅
@@tronicgr is the difference that extreme? although Ferrari build quality fluctuates drastically depending on era lol.
@@clancaster22 comparing eracing-lab with Scorpion actuators yes (IP65 sealing, low noise etc). For the Champion GT, I can't tell yet. I don't have one to shape opinion...
Everything about these are better
Ya, that’s more travel than needed in road racing. I’d like to have what you have with the yaw, that’s what we are missing the most of.
Hey @KarlGosling, I just got delivery of my Champion GT. I'm beein in touch with Shao trying to troubleshoot a strange noise I have, and I was wondering if you had the same. It's a radio static noise, like when you're in the car and you set your radio to a frequency where there's no radio channel, so it just buzzes. It comes from every actuator and is not constant. Did you notice something similar? It's unmissable if you had it. Thanks!
No mate mine were basically silent as in this video, get them swapped out maybe? Although it's unlikely all 4 are faulty, maybe the controller?
Seems to be some confusion over the actual size of these actuators. Obv mentioned in the comments already that the R@Home site says 100mm and 125mm.....but so does PT-Actuators own website too. I saw another video that seemed to show a model number with 100 in the number, which would imply 100 to me, in the specs it also says +/-125mm - if it was + and - then wouldn't that be 250mm travel?
Measured and confirmed as 125mm mate.
One question about the Champion GT. Is the kit ”only” 4000 dollars?
Please do a review of the newly released Qubic System QS-210! Everyone is all over it and I am very interested to see your honest opinion about it Karl.
Sorry mate I do not have £6k to buy one in just for review! :(
Hi Karl, maybe you could answer my question if you would be so kind.
I can buy a 5 dof actuator set up with scorpion sting actuators. So there a couple years old. But since i have no knowledge on the lifespan of the hard ware and software side, i cant make up my mind wehter or not to buy them. As you say its pretty hefty investment and the scorpion sting ones look perfect spec wise.
Without knowing how much use they have had you'll never know how long they have left mate.
Hi @KarlGosling, quick question if you still have this with you: can the feet be attached to an aluminum extrusion? I'd like to put the whole thing on a flat frame. Thanks!
It's gone back now so I couldn't say for sure, maybe if you remove the rubber feet and put bolts through?
@@KarlGosling ok no worries, I asked Shao directly. Waiting for a reply.
Thank you
Hi Karl like the videos, I'm waiting on my gt omega lite its currently held up in Barbados customs, nothing moves fast here 😀 i'm thinking of adding something like this. i have a DOF Realty H3 which i use for flight sim and racing but wanted 2 dedicated rigs. My question is the power consumption, do you notice a big jump in your electric, wondering if you could do a short video in layman's terms showing how much a setup like this would cost to run daily say 3 hour a session. No worries if its not possible, Cheers
I actually have no idea of the electric costs as thats in with my rent mate sorry!
@@KarlGosling no worries, thanks for getting back
Hope you're doing well, Karl! - It's a great price, but not being able to add the other dimensions on later would likely put me off as I don't like the idea of having to replace the whole lot if I want to add them later. (But the main thing that stops me buying a motion system is my cats, heh. They often play around my rig when I'm in it, and I'd be constantly worried about hurting them. Although they'd probably run away the moment it started moving.)
I'm doing well thanks Leo, appreciate you asking!
I totally am with you, I have to be very mindful of Ori (my cat) and ensure she is in another part of the house out the way.
Oh, you can... there are ways, as I explained to Bob on a comment in this video. He just has to use different controller (Thanos4U) on his Lowrider TL Surge kit...
Coming soon
@raceathome will it be listed as a kit on your website?
@@GTOUTE yes. There is a small mod required to render the Champs suitable for full motion, after which we will list the full kit as an option.
Do you recommend mounting the actuators in a “square” shape vs further apart (front to back)?
No, I would mount them as close to where the wheels of your car would be IRL and accounting for scale.
How competitive are your lap times? I’ve been considering getting a low slider but don’t want to lose too much competitive edge.
I'm not that fast at all mate, I race for fun and the technical side of the hobby.
Motion will make you slower if it's too aggressive, same as running to much FFB strength.
Im currently running a D Box gen 1 system. I was looking to mobe to something with more travel. I was looking ag cubic systsem bevause thegre very renown, in jouse software, etc. But these hsve me reslly intrigued woth the performance numbers to cost here. I wonder how motion quality compares to dbox since uts using third party software.
IME It's on par mate, these are very smooth and the software very polished.
@@KarlGosling do these offer haptics feedback as well? Like for engine vibration and what have you
Hey Karl, what software is controlling & running the actuators ?
Sim Racing Studio.
What cables/adapters are you running the C1 TVs and at what HZ, HDR, G sync? I just got the same setup but the screens are flickering
I think I'm using Startech adapters with CSL cables, these are so important as I tried at least 5 different cable brands before finding ones that worked, screens where flickering, on and off, black screen, etc.
120hz, HDR and G Sync yes.
Could you share some pictures/ models & cable lengths
Are you using 3 sets or 2 and 1 via HDMI port?
can I ask I am looking at this one. But im also tempted to pay additional for the Scorpion S which can be upgraded... but SS is just so much more expensive
Did u figure out the difference ?
How would this compare against a D - BOX g5 or a QS - 220 since the huge price difference especially compared with the QS - 220? Which are the big difference between those 3 kits? Cheers
G5 has only 39mm of travel so isn't really a comparison, the QS 220 has 100mm so pretty close and is much more responsive at 800mm/s but then it's more than double the price and personally this PT kit is already responsive enough.
@@KarlGosling so beside the difference in response time there's no much difference? Would that be very noticeable and worth the money for someone who has never used a motion system before or could the Champion GT be more than enough?
You wouldn't notice it at all
Hey Karl, I'm in the market for something like this and I was wondering if you could compare them to the Sigma Integrale DK2. Thank you!
That kit only has 50mm of travel so not really a fair comparison.
@@KarlGosling true! But I've heard a lot of "less is more" when it comes to motion (it would be my first). Can you artificially restrict the range of motion of these PT actuators? I'm also asking because I have 27" monitors and I want to keep them as close as low as possible without the rig hitting them (the monitors will be static). Think that might be feasible with a wheel shaft extender? Thank you again!
Karl, what's the lifespan of these. Are they prone to fail and easy to source spares or is it pretty much fit and forget?
Honestly mate I have no idea, sorry!
@@KarlGosling How is the Prime Lite holding up under motion? Any flex or still solid?
SO IF I AM going to buy a motion system for my newly setup rig this is the best pick? the slider or the low rider?
I have not tested all available system so I cannot say it's the best, but I do think it's decent yes.
@@KarlGosling thanks mate im goign to compare these to existing expensive options
It's actually more than the Dbox once I pay exchange rate, shipping, taxes and custom fees. Takes much more space too. These prices are great when your in the UK or close by without having all the fees added. Not to take away from the kit its just reality.
More than $24'000?! Thats impossible! lol
@KarlGosling Dbox G5 is 8K for me your looking at their commercial kit.
@@KarlGosling that kit here is actually 37K lol
@KarlGosling not attacking PT here just pointing out that price is relative to if you need to import. For example the csl dd pro 8nm here is almost 1000$ just the base but its 450$ usd once you pay the import and everything else your better off with an Alpha or sc2 it's almost the same price. In Canada or Australia it's x2 or 4 what you guys pay on everything
Import charges on a US$ 16,000 LowSlider to Connecticutt from the UK were $47 last month.
I can afford ONE. Which corner of my rig should i put it on?
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hi, great video .
What monitors are those ?
LG C1's
@@KarlGosling Thank you, i actually meant how big in inches is that 55 inch or 65 inch ?
Thank you.
Wow, that price is actually not bad!
Yeah I thought so.
@@KarlGosling Taking into account the updated price, I'd go as far as to say it's cheap. The only thing that would stop me buying is the incompatibility with the low rider/slider.
If only they made one for tube based rigs, I’d be all over this.
I’ve made a terrible mistake 😄
I reckon you could easily add profile to your tubes rig for about £60.
Yeah it wouldn't take much to DIY fitment or find a small engineering company local to you to do it.
thanks@@KarlGosling I never thought about that as an option. I might actually look into it
Cheers Karl, I'll never look at my glue gun the same again.
Nobody will.
How can an inferior product be 7x more??? That makes absolutely no sense.
Inferior to what, an oldest tech... You have your answer...
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Good price and very good info. Simrig sr1 Its still unbeatable in price. Plus they have a dedicated software much much better than the srs one.
I just checked the Simrig specs. Who are you kidding?😂😂
I own the sr1 and use 60% of the travel. For me its enough. Plus as I said the app and customer care is amazing. Also I will never spent this kind of money with someone that he thinks he is Mr knows it all. Seen many comments from you bob laughing at others motion system. I remember a comment that left for a guy that had the balls to do a diy 2dof shocked me.
The biggest problem with the SR1 is it's weight limit of 175kg, that literally puts me and my Prime Lite at it's max, anyone heavier than me and it's a no go... The SR2 can handle an extra 50kg which is much better.
70mm of travel and 100mm/s response time is a little low and slow for most IMO.
But as the SR2 is the same price as this PT kit it makes no sense to buy one when you can have a limit of 300kg, 125mm of travel and 250mm/s response.
yes but I weight 80kg and have plenty of stuff on my rig and still have no issues. The price of 3k if you are willing to do some scarifies like I did and loose some weight its the most affordable motion system around. Again I cant stress enough the amazing software they have which is constantly being updated. @@KarlGosling
SR2 to rs mega+, honestly SR2 feels very very good. Dirt rally 2 it was better than rs mega+ with SRS.
But not violent enough that's why I switch to rs mega+. Plus haptic.
I really thought you were gonna take that Americans comment about kilos a totally different direction hahahaha
If you mostly circuit race then then $7300 Gen 5 D-Box is the way to go. 1.5" of travel is more than enough for circuit racing. D-Box also has a vibration function which none of these others have. You really need to feel it. It's like adding transducers to your motion system but better. However this PT Actuator system does look like a great deal for the price though. I'd say if you can afford to upgrade to the Gen 5 D-Box it's worth it. If not this looks great.
For vibration, couldn't you just add 4 corner transducers for a lot less than the cost increase of going to the dbox?
These actuators deliver incredibly accurate haptic feedback (vibration) and terrain mapping. It's impossible to simulate terrain such as Brands Hatch, Mount Panorama (Bathurst), Mount Washington or Spa unless your cockpit follows the terrain which is not possible with small actuators.
@@joeyg369 You could and I have….it’s just not in the same language to be honest. I didn’t get it either until I got mine hooked up and it would never go back now.
No way does the D Box deliver the same motion experience.
In SRS you can add vibration and lots too if you need it.
For me it’s still a SFX system with a massive price tag, still no in house software at that price, I’ll pass
SFX is fine for the DIY'er that doesn't want warranty or support, you can save almost half the cost... this is for the plug and play market as you can see mate.
The PT actuators themselves are better built than the sfx stuff. Also, the only have one control box and all plug and play. Not need for a separate cabinet with multiple controllers, etc.
VR users, Press F to pay your respects to motion compensation.
I loved my motion platform, but it didn't make sense until I added a $35 WitMotion to it.
I find VR works better without MC... Your head wobbling around inside the car is exactly what happens IRL, so unless your motion system is moving you a few feet instead of inches there's no need IME.
@@KarlGosling My platform has 110mm of movement & under hard braking or G-Sway will use most of it. If I don't motion compensate I'll clip through the seat/panels. Then there is the slow return to center that causes you to drift even whilst there are no motion cues being applied which basically makes yyou feel like you are floating around. Your view still moves and wobbles with M/C, bumps, gear shifts, etc.
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+4k for an actuator???
What on earth for?
What kind of exotic technology is this thing made with....?
DBOX? Yeah exactly mate!
Not going to lie , turned off as soon as you mentioned the price. Love your content generally though.
Why mate? Where you not interested in how it performed for that price? Which is cheap I might add.
Too expensive. If you want motion, go for DOF REALITY. I have a H3 model and it only costs 2.5k with traction loss and a full frame. All you need is a seat and wheelbase with pedals and you have a complete motion rig !!
It's relative to where you live PT and DOF are more than Dbox for me and it's a much better kit not to mention how small dbox is. For DOF not everyone wants to buy the full rig they offer especially if you already have a full rig and just looking for 4 corner setup.
DOF Is very entry level and the frame cannot handle high end wheel bases or pedals without a lot of flex... still good value but doesn't compare to a profile rig in any way.
What you have is a contraption that moves, not a motion rig I'm afraid.
No, what you have is a fixed frame that moves, I’d love to see you add, shifters, hand break, button boxes, wind sim fans. And some people like the monitor to move when their rig. You simply don’t have the ability to be able to alter your DOF like you do with a profile rig.
But, you do have motion, which is something.
I'd have to sell both children and my wife.
@@raceathomeclassic blues brother line whilst trying to get the Band back together. 😊
60st motors ... usless and can be used for nothing