St. Charles County man buys car, discovers odometer wrong by 100,000 miles
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2020
- A St. Charles County man bought a car off Craigslist and later found out the odometer had been rolled back by 100,000 miles. How can you determine if the mileage on a car you're buying is correct?
“If you would like to talk like a man…… give me a call” 😂😂 I thought he was finna say pull up no cameras or something 😂
Isn’t it against the law. Can’t they charge someone a crime
Its 3 people and their word.. very difficult to prove anything
The feds really need to step up their game on odometer scammers. Those who fall victim to these scams should still be allowed to register the vehicle. Its not their fault the odometer was messed with. Just put on the title that the true milage is unknown due to tampering.
"The feds really need to step up"
According to today's news, if Trump wins the election, he plans to downsize the Federal Government and make all Federal employees be loyal to him. Still waiting for the Feds to do something? If so, be careful who you vote for during the next election.
John, read my experience above. There is no fixing it. The agencies in place don’t care!
Feds get kickbacks too
@@michaelwilson939 "Feds get kickbacks too"
Proof of this ?
Odometer fraud really hurts the buyer. Paid more than it’s worth and can’t drive the car.
Whole America is fraud open your eyes
@@Fume1337 for sure
Just got a car fax on my Honda. Odometer reads 111k but carfax last service was done in 2020 and my Honda had 180k!!! Previous services all say 143k , 160k ..smh I feel so cheated
@@k_escobar917 could you still register it?
@@moveitmf1951 I was able to register it thankfully. In the state of FL any car that’s 10 years or older is exempt for odometer discloser. I assume that’s how these “stealerships” get away with it. I filed a complaint with FL attorney generals office but they want tons of paperwork proving they sold me a bs rolled back odometer vehicle. They make it impossible for these crooks to be accountable
at this point they can give him a title cause after a car is around 8 years old they no longer even care about the mileage on the car
That almostt to me few days ago. It was a listing on Facebook marketplace. My cousin and I went to see the car, test drove it and except for a few minor problems the car seemed pretty good. I was about to buy but then I was like you know what, better safe then sorry, so I checked the carfax report and guess what the car had 234k miles, nowhere near the 104k on the odometer. I was so mad but I'm glad I checked the carfax before it was too late. Fuckin hate these scammers
How do you check the car fax..?
They are Brokers !
@@belbir49 pay like $20 online in their website, type in the vin number and you get a lot of details.
@@belbir49 buy one on ebay
Greedy scammers are ruining capitalism it makes me want to vote for more restrictive government regulations
And also make sure the VIN matches on the title and the car. I almost bought a car with the correct model on the title but wrong VIN.
You know who the middle man is, get an attorney
That cost more money!!! You’ll think it’s real easy
Connected...nothing will happen
“be like a man “ and call me back. Bro you be the Man and talk ! Scammer !
Don't get a pre-purchase inspection and this is what you get.
I should've gotten one on my car
Like Matilda’s father
Santamaria is a career criminal. He does this on a daily basis.
Never purchase a vehicle if sellers name is not on title ,never
Simple State of Missouri put a lien on the man's house for amount scammed.
He knew what he did was wrong, the hanging up and not owning up to speak his side and or talk willingly is a clear sign of guilt.
If the seller tells you that he is selling the car for someone else, don't buy it. Period. They're altering the odometers on cars.
Let me guess. The guy didn't get his money and no one was held liable. How come the reporter didn't ask the buyer if Chris was the guy that sold him the car? Didn't show picture?
The best part is the scam that happens when buying a car that nobody has noticed and still goes on although not common. The odometer is the least of your issue if you fall for the other one. You could end up with a stolen vehicle and loss of finances.
Yes it happened to me. I bought a car and it turned out to be stolen from a rental company with fake vin and title. I lost $22500 . Cops couldn’t care less . FYI I paid with cash and cashier check . Cops knew these people but don’t care . I’m screwed
I’m sure that guy has been doing that to many people not just to this one. He needs to be fined big-time, thrown in jail and lose his license to sell cars.
The other thing you can do is divide the amount of miles in the odometer reading in the dash and you can find how many miles that car was driving per year. If it's less than 10.000 per year, most probably the miles have been altered.
MIKE: *...if you want to talk LIKE A MAN...give me a call*
REPORTER: calls but Mike never answers AFTER already coming to his house TO TALK LIKE A MAN 😂🙄
Dude is connected and they know he ripping people off...most will get locked up
It's a federal offense that is a felony to alter the odometers on cars, the fine is $10,000 Dollars and 10 years in prison. That's why it is important to know who is selling the car to you. Ask for the driver license and take the name and the number and the address on that driver license; if he can't provide you with that then don't buy the car. If you don't care losing your money then it's your decision.
Listed as a class A felony in Ga.
Why are they showing the 4-year-old video in our feeds?
So you can learn 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ and not get scammed duh
Just for the memories...its probably scrap now...lol
Old but not outdated
Yea that’s called a Open title! . That happens all the time !
What I’ve learned to do is we both show our id’s
That was done to me back in 1999 with Yukon Denali. The miles were rolled back by 40,00 miles.
You’re lucky it was only 40 miles
@An Honest Reviewer yes. They thank God. I took it in because it keep shutting off when I was driving. And ended up rebuilding the whole engine. After that,it purred like a kitten until Iost,it after I got hurt on the job and lost my house as well. With only one year left to pay on it 😐
Happened to me. With a 2002 Suburban. I thought it had 110k miles. Turned out to have 220k miles. I just sold it but I made sure the title was branded TRUE MILEAGE UNKNOWN and was completely clear with the new owner.
Beautiful ride though
These cars have so many computer chips in them. I dont understand why there is not a chip that retains the otiginal mileage even if the odometer is rolled back. It would be easy as all a car dealer needs to do is access the cars computer, and get the actual mileage from that and see if it aligns with what the odometer on the dash panel reads. I mean come on computers are supposed to be smart. Just because you delete or change something does not mean its gone. Computers can be back checked. Now older cars with a mechanical odometer, thats different, but stil if it had a computer, then the mileage should be retained on that. Auto manufactures time to step up your game against odometer tampering.
I always buy by a police station or where I know camera s are working. And most don’t want to meet there. Especially a police station. So that’s a Red flag rite there !
Why would any one want to go to a police station to sell you a car. I know I wouldn’t. I can meet you at the dmv or at a store or even at my house but why at the police station.
To my knowledge you can change the odometer on the dash cluster, but the ecm/ecu has true mileage
That’s why I always ask them if the title is in their name with ID if it’s not I don’t buy it.
Exactly! And if they aren't willing to show their ID then that's a major red flag
This needs to be done more often to make open titles harder to flip.
Call the ATG and get ur money back
The good news is now that he knows who the original owner is he can at least get a title reissued and filled out with the correct mileage
I inspect cars and for my services guarantee that the car is legit. If any issues occur with the car that I cleared I'll buy it from you. I usually save my clients more than my fee.
Where are you, I need your services???
@@michellej7734 Muscle shoals Alabama. I have been known to travel depending on a few common factors! My sister was cheated years ago and I decided to try and make sure others don't fall prey!
Thats quiet a risk you are taking.
@@gtdodgeviper Anytime an individual purchases a ' pre-owned ' car that's a risk my friend.
Thanks for telling me how to roll back miles before I sell a car, news is so helpful
It’s really rare to see a low mileage Tahoe suburban etc
That person skipped the title
Can you imagine going to the lengths of 100k odometer rollback to sell a used car. I thought that used cars were a premium. Sounds like a scam. Probably money laundering operation.
Pretty sure I just caught my local Nissan rolling back odometer about 10,000 miles. I asked if they could go look in the car and tell me the mileage he said 3,000 miles. I asked why their picture says almost 12,000 miles. He said you’re right it’s almost 12,000 but that cars been sold. I said you just asked me to come see the car one minute ago and he was like yeah somebody put a deposit down the car is gonna be sold. It looks really bad. Then they stopped responding to me completely. First dealership that’s ever stopped responding to me about buying a car. Before that they also tried to sell me a 2022 and didn’t tell me it was in an accident in January. Their competitors are the ones who told me. They wanted to make a car that had 12,000 miles look like it only had 3,000 so they could get more for it and present it as a new car. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don’t even look
In Houston tx small dealerships do that all the time they either been flooded and completely clean up or been replace with awful cheap junk yard engines or transmissions is why I am glad I quit those mechanic jobs at small dealerships I am just not made that way now I work for a big dealership where things are correct and costumers get what they pay for
Yup, just happened to me in Dallas
You can't roll back the engine mileage....................... OBD2 devices will show you what that is.
Remember when odometers were analog?
Analog odometers could still be tampered.
Yes. They were physically removed and 'drilled' instead of connected to rollback software. Same scam, different tools of a different era.
That last guy, thanks for the tip to all the rollbackers!
You don't have but a device or roll back the millage. If you buy a instrument cluster same model has your vehicle that has say 130 thousand miles and yours has 250 thousand miles. When you swap out your cluster for the other one the millage will show up has 130 thousand
This happened to me last night. The private party seller advertised the vehicle as having 93k miles. We made the transaction and when we looked closer at the title after the purchase. The title and most recent emissions say 200k miles. I reached out to the seller by text and called and left a voicemail and I have been ghosted.
All I gotta say is bad guys suck!!!
Sorry to hear man. These people just suck…
Just happened to me too. Pain 💔
@@Rayhan-fj7es dang I’m sorry to hear that happened. We ended up dumping a bunch of money into repairs and then trading it in. We took a significant loss. I may only buy from dealerships going forward so I have a path for recourse and (hopefully) never get scammed again.
It’s just happened to me right now. Odometer says 123 000 and the car had 206 000 since the last registration 2021
@@pierrerenebrianvil4882 I’m sorry to hear that
Yeah it wont be awkward taking a picture of someone selling it or asking them for id
You could sue the seller under Federal Rules for Treble damages and for Attorney Fees.
8k is still a good deal for that suv.
If you want to talk like a man give me a call? Acting like a real child. He can't own up to what he did, who's the real child?
Hmmm. ..so my bumper to bumper warranty can go for a good while with such device . ..If I was criminally inclined. : )
You will never beat the crooks never
He literally bought the car he would’ve had after 100,000 miles of driving
since its so obviuse why was michael not arrested
It happened with me and there’s nothing I could do about it. I bought the car through Facebook marketplace, when tried contact the seller he already blocked and there was no I could contact him.
It’s happening to a lot of people on Facebook
Yep just happened to me now idk what to do with the car can I still sell it just letting the buyer know about the situation on the miles?
Same
How dumb are ppl in the land of the free? seriously. if you buy a car, no matter if its via facebook or whatnot, you always draw up a contract. there are boiler plates that can be used. on that there should be the vehicle data as well as those from buyer and seller.
Well it's stupid all they have to do is check vin numbers on cars dash,door,and other places,if they all match retitle that vehicle.Kind of weird DMV won't title that vehicle over milage issues.
Need to hire atty or get state rep to help the motor vehicles registry is a bureaucratic nightmare
Why didnt he go to the police, after finding out the sellers ID?
If things look too good to be true, chances are they are.
Just an FYI. Maybe you should do a Carfax before you purchase a car
maybe they drove the car in reverse for 100,000 miles to lower the mileage
🤣
People who sale cars online don’t do the required paper work to sell the car with all the other problems comes liens on the car and the buyer will not be able to register the car and insurance and drive the car and lose their money
Carfax it. Or do not buy it!
Carfax don’t show exactly everything of the vehicle there’s was some people that checked carfax and said the vehicle wasn’t in a accident but when they did a check up on it they saw it was in a accident from the color being on places where it’s not supposed to be at
Haha "like a man" he wasn't being a man about it at all.
It so mess up…. Karma will get you!
I believe this happend to me and I will be reporting a further investigation to my local Dmv in regards to this. I brought a Nissan Murano from a “gentlemen” at a local dealership who claimed the vehicle was under 100k in miles . It wasn’t until I was handed the title that it stated a whole different set of numbers .( much higher)
Something was off but I got side tracked with the birth of my daughter and taking care of my children so it was in the back of my busy mom schedule.. until recently when I brought this problem back to light so I will be going to the dmv tomorrow morning to get this investigation going to determine what is going on . I talked to one of the boys from the dealership and he claims that it was the Dmv’s fault however when I had talked to a gentleman from the dmv over the phone the previous day he stated that the miles on the title are the actual miles stated from the previous owner all the way in Virginia. I live in another state.. and I feel bad that I didn’t took the time to further investigate this deal when I had the chance before buying..
Just check the vin on carfax or cars for sale I was gonna buy a is300 and when I looked at the vin first on the website the odometer is rolled back or either changed the gauge cluster or instrument cluster and it was a salvage title and was told by the owner it was a clean title
I'm a used car dealer, and I've noticed quite a few vehicles at auction that have "mileage discrepancies". About half the vehicles are from the local state (this state requires an inspection every year, and the mileage is logged every inspection, it ends up on CarFax, AutoCheck, and other NMVTIS services). But half the vehicles are from neighboring states, and all 3 neighboring states do NOT have annual inspections, so unless the car gets an oil change at a shop that reports the mileage to CarFax, the mileage is never logged. So I carry an OBD2 reader that can read the mileage on the ECM or ABS module. Usually when someone rolls back an odometer, they just rolled back the dash, but not the mileage that is logged on the modules. The auction I go to prohibits OBD2 scanners, but mine is small and I sneak it in anyways. I've seen many trucks and SUVs that have "lost" 100k miles or more. Every now and then I see a car that has a mileage discrepancy, but usually it's trucks and SUVs. Also, not every mileage discrepancy is an odometer rollback. I've seen one car in which the years back it had 40k miles, the following year it was 50k miles, then the year after it had 254k miles, than 62k miles. AutoCheck flagged it as an odometer roll back because it went from 254 down to 62, but I think that whoever entered the mileage accidentally "fat fingered" the wrong mileage, because I doubt that someone drove 200k+ miles in one year, unless it's a commercial driver.
I would have noticed 240k miles.
I have a video showing what to look for when buying a fake low mileage car.
Not sure why this keeps happening. Carfax is cheap insurance and so is the ODO statement from the DMV. I know it’s hard to tell. My diesel truck has 260k on it and it looks like a 30k mile truck still inside and out so be careful.
Copy the VIN # and go online to get a VIN report for just $1. You will see every owner, whether or not there were any body damage/accident reports and you will get the correct odometer reading. This is how I found out that a car I was going to buy had the incorrect mileage. The guy showed me the mileage @ 154,000 miles, but when I ran a VIN report the correct mileage was actually 277.000 miles and had been in an accident, salvage title. Do your home work before you buy a used car. A paper trail can land the seller in jail!
which website is $1
@@beinghonest9433it’s free vin check or CarGurus vin check I’ve saw one of those apps where it’s a dollar to check the history
Sometimes cluster messes up ,and replaced with one from salvage,and when it's sold the owner will use the odometer reading from used cluster,which messes up the history of the miles in that car.
No, the mileage is on the computer and not on the cluster. All you have to do is replace the computer from a lower mileage car.
@@mseka9148 yes but when you sell a car ,owner will look at the odometer on cluster,and not the one in the computer.
@@mseka9148oh never mind I get ur point.👍
You don't what doesn't mess up the history? A mileage disclosure.
The mileage is stored in more than one place like the ECU (or DME), the instrument cluster, and light control module. All three need to match, and this can be done with dealer level programming devices or laptops.
Went and looked at a jeep with 250k miles but backed out. So a week later i see the same exact jeep but posted by somebody else with 110k miles, so i messaged the guy and called him out, he deleted everything on facebook lol
SURPRIZE!!!
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Happened to me last Saturday purchase beautiful 2009 tahoe. Suppose have 164,000 miles. Odometer reads 164k but trip reads 343k . 8,000 paid. So fixin find out what gotta do
Same shit with me. Bought a 2007 Tahoe, seller said 163k.. just ran a carfax and last odo reading was 299k smfh
@@djglennb736does it still run
@@steffydagoat4338 yeah it does. When i got it we had to replace the water pump and then the transfer case. But the motor itself runs completely fine and strong.
@@djglennb736 Bro happenned to me and they even scratched the title, I went to DMV they didnt care and just registered the car as not actual miles
@@nikayelali2597 same here. DMV don’t give two 💩
😂😂😂😂😂 meet at a police station lol😂😂😂😂😂😂 so a cop can tell you it's just a civil matter and you got to go to court 😂😂😂😂😂 whats the cops gunna do for you??? Bean there done that
I’m sorry if you’re buying a used car as is and you care that much. You need to do your due diligence and figure out what you need to figure out prior to purchase. I get it that rolling the odometer back shouldn’t be a concern for you and that it’s messed up but you should’ve ran the vin prior to purchase and Honest or not you’re not taking a picture of me if I’m selling you a car. You’re not taking a picture of anybody selling anyone anything. This isn’t the school yearbook
CARFAX and then have a mechanic you trust before giving money for any used car. No exceptions.
What are our representatives doing to protect people from this happening again? Its goong to be easier with electric vehicles.....
Toyota estimas that are being sold in Australia all have low mileage. They don't come with any service papers. They are not sold in a display car outlets. They are all stored in a yard somewhere. Someone should investigate. ? ODOMETER ROLL BACK. PLEASE DONT BUY UNTIL YOU SEE THE SERVICE HISTORY OR EVIDENCE OF ODOMETER READINGS IN THE SERVICE BOOKLET. when you book an appointment to test drive it, it will be in a neighbourhood somewhere.
Nowadays, 8k is normal for a shitbox chevy with 200,000 miles and they probably replaced the instrument cluster from a junkyard that’s the only way you can get a false number on a newer car
No on newer cars it’s actually easier than older cars. There’s devices that can roll back your miles
@@kid5042 Absolutely. Not saying analog is safer/better by any means but if it’s digital it can definitely be altered. Just look at what’s currently going on with kids stealing Kias and Hyundais with USB drives lol
Where do I buy the tool? Asking for a friend 😅
"Nobody ever got rich from being honest"
You dance with the devil you're gonna' get burned enjoy being the sacrifice
Risk is not worth the reward. When you get caught that’s gonna be 8+ years in jail
Dude looks like a crook.
His first mistake was to buy a Yukon 🤣😅🤣
He won’t show his face don’t worry we all know what a Lemmon looks like 👻👍🏿👻
So what did he end up doing with that Yukon XL?
Rolled it back to 30,000 miles and sold it to another sucker:)
Why cant he just register the car with a “NOT ACTUAL MILES” title. Or just tell the license office the car has 205,000 miles. Sure he still looses money but at least he can use the car.
this guys issue is idetical to mine and yes I registered it as not actual miles
Because the title is tampered,they erase a number on it ,they won’t accept the title
what happened. I'm a victim of this shit. Where the f are the stupid laws ?? odometer fraud laws? such BS
Bro this guy has idetical situation as me
That’s why you always buy new.
A big problem that has gone on "FOREVER" is we have so many laws that are absolutely worthless because THE LAWS ARE NOT ENFORCED!!!! WE DO NOT ENFORCE LAWS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH JAILS
This could have been avoided if he had asked for Michael's ID. Only to find out Michael is not Grant. Its alittle to weird to ask for ID, but hey if it saves ya it saves you
Just bought a car that’s 80k miles off. This shit sucks imma try and get my money back
did you?
@@mr.2gr33dy7
Yeah. I threatened the guy cuz I had all his info, social media’s/posts, and house address and license plate number. He gave me my money back and scammed another person not warning them of the rollback.
@@tonyw1563
He sold a lot of cars and it’s a felony first of all. I had his personal Facebook which had his whip license plate and every photo of him and I knew his house address because that’s where I met him. He also sells a lot of cars in my area so it’s not hard to bring him to the police. I told him that and he returned my money and scammed someone else on Facebook the next day with the same misadvertised ad. Ge actually sold it to someone else too.
@@calvin3448 wish I had those infos when this happenned to me
So Chris (the buyer) doesn't recognize the guy that sold him the car is the fat guy with ponytail?
Suckers are born daily, should have pulled the car fax from the jump , love the title jumpers
Don’t trust a CARFAX ! My kids 2016 was in a accident and the high end Lexas dealer hid it sone how. And fixed the car and said a lady drive the car. We found out three my Insurance buddy. NOT true. They bought it at Auction.
Car Fax only reports only what is reported to them.
200,000 miles on a Honda or Toyota, maybe.
The same mileage on a Chevy, NOPE.
That’s why I don’t buy a car from a private owner
Car lots do this also.
@@kid5042but when they’re exposed, they lose their license to sell cars, at least in New York.
It’s not buying from a private party, it’s doing your homework prior to the sale. This fraud happens everywhere in Miami, both dealers and private parties do it. You have to run the car fax, have the vehicle inspected and make sure title and all paperwork is correct. Take pictures of seller, his Id, his tag, etc. A legitimate seller won’t mind.
@@daddytheman9957 you gotta hire Scotty Kilmer, or at least a reputable mechanic to give it a look if you don’t know what to check for. In New York, the lemon law only protects you for 30 days, after that, you’re on your own. With a dealer, at least you have the option to purchase an extended warranty, the extended warranty I bought for my car did what it was supposed to do, and I had to replace a water pump on a Ford when you had to drop the engine just to get to it, before people figured out how to get to it without dropping the engine.
Always do a car fax on any use vehicle
I remember people putting up the car on blocks, then putting the car in reverse to run back the miles on them haha.. People have it easy these days. Another trick is to hook the odometer's cable up to a drill and run it backwards to rewind the miles.
In that case why not just reverse down a hill?
Drill, baby, drill!
stupid tricks from movies
It didn't work for Ferris Bueller and Cameron Frye.
First mistake was trusting a craigslist
Nothing wrong with craiglist. The buyer should did his homework. He should bought the Carfax originally to understand the mileage.
Its not only the sellers you need to look out for, its the buyer that had bad intentions, he bought it with 240miles with every intention of reselling it after rolling back the milage, had the original seller got a photo of the buyers ID with and reported this with the odometer readings to the DMV, there wouldn't be a phantom middle man, besides its the sellers responsibility to write the odometer readings on the Pink Slip on the day of the sale so even if this guy tries to resale it it will be written clearly on the Pink slip.
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