Great review. At the end you were talking about swapping to convoke, this would be what I would do also. Include Prosperity and Reforestation, you proc tree form, generating more guardians and free wrath spam and convoke as needed. You will increase dps and heals. Looks like the rejuvenation spread is gone sadly.
It is the same moonrise from what I tested. I would reapply moonrise to an enemy that the guardian already applied to and it would just reset the timer!
Do you think the latest buffs to Druid healing (15% to 4 major spells) resolve the under performing that you mention in this video and brings them in line?
I do think it could help a lot. Having regrowth and swiftmend buffed is massive for m+ and spot healing, and wild growth buffs go a very long way to help the fact that it felt like you needed a cooldown for every instance of damage, when other healers didn't!
I'm out with my wife at the moment so can't grab a link, but I know how to get you to it! Go to wag.io and search LBNinja7, it'll take you to my page and from there you can see all of my weakauras that I've posted, and luckily I've uploaded my druid one there! It may be outdated by a bit...
Hey man! You should try change your movement keybind from being a keyboard turner, if you change your A and D keybind to strafe your gameplay will increase massively!
@@LBNinja7 honestly dude you will learn it in a few days. Just bite the bullet and I guarantee in 5-10 keys you won’t even know how you keyboard turned for so long lol
So, Druids must not go into cat form for dealing damage? That would be great, im not a fan of shapeshifting as a Resto and i dont like playing as a melee.
i think you left a lot of damage on the table, what about starfire, Convoke the Spirits etc etc, at least you could make a little demo of what your talking about in dummies if you cannot fully do it in a dungeon
I get that the title is supposed to be a joke but it’s still kinda triggering. This pervasive idea that healers don’t contribute to the team, exacerbated by healers with low dmg profiles is really frustrating. Especially when thinking about being worn out by healing m+ fortified afflicted run and being completely done by the end. I just really wish we could move away from healers’ value being inherent in their dmg. While I have absolutely no issue with healers with dmg profiles built in like disc and mistweaver, some of us enjoy a much more healing centered play style. I wish there was a way to accommodate both.
I think you misunderstood it because I didn't mean afk in the sense that they do little damage. People refer to specs as afk healers when ai does a lot of the healing for you, like Grove guardians and fallen order monks
@@LBNinja7 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh ok, my bad. I've been on my traditional healing crusade. That makes sense. Sounds similar to the old "smart heal" arguments, but I suppose something like GG is a bit more on the passive healing side? Thanks for clearing that up though.
I think druid is pretty complex and lots of buttons to press class. Played it last expansion, might play it again. Adaptive swarm is gone which means it's harder to heal and top everyone up. Also druid healing depends a lot on your team standing in the efflo, because if they do not lifebloom do not bloom and majority of your hps is gone. Idk how it's going to feel in m+ without adaptive swarm.. I think it was the only thing that kept druid alive/meta healer.
I hate being green dps. If I had my way healers would only be able to do damage by over healing, IE 'Any healing done to targets at 100% health is converted to damage against your healing spell's target' and I would give them NO damage spells. You wanna solo quest? Target something and spam heals on yourself.
I don’t care for this idea based on my experience in EverQuest back in the day. It sucks being out in the world unable to kill random mobs you aggro. But to each their own. That said, I’ve never tried cat weaving. I just sprinkle in DoTs and such when I have the time and mana.
Idk if the hero talents will fix this but the difference, at least in my experience, is that with cat weaving you cast several hots, go cat form, apply dots, repeat. This is, compared to disc priest, very GCD heavy. With my disc I only cast a radiance and then have like idk, 8 seconds or so where I can pump in my mindbender, mind blast, dark reprimand etc to pump dmg and healing. Cat weaving to me felt like an either or thing. But the similarity in disc and resto I see is that cat weaving, and playing disc in general, becomes very hard when people take so much dmg that the maintenance rotation can not be upheld. The moment I have to pump a few flash heals ito a single DPS I feel like loosing massive HPS
I think there's a very loud minority that complains about any playstyle. People complain about fistweaving, catweaving, holy priest.... like everything. I just think some people are playing the wrong healer for them but aren't willing to swap!
Great review. At the end you were talking about swapping to convoke, this would be what I would do also. Include Prosperity and Reforestation, you proc tree form, generating more guardians and free wrath spam and convoke as needed. You will increase dps and heals. Looks like the rejuvenation spread is gone sadly.
Yeah reforestation is a big talent that I was missing! Those free tree procs are huge
Is the grove guardian moonfire the same spell as the Druid one ? Because for the wild growth it is not and they can all stack
It is the same moonrise from what I tested. I would reapply moonrise to an enemy that the guardian already applied to and it would just reset the timer!
@@LBNinja7 Perfect thanks, but paradoxally it also work very well for catweaving as you dont have to leave cat form to reapply moonfire
what happened to mobs not doing spikey damage? It's a 4, and many of those AOE group hits were 75%+ of your health bars.
why not talent into soul of the forest? our entire teir set is based of consuming it?
I legit thought I had it talented lol rip! I guess when swapping trees it removed it and I didn't notice!
Do you think the latest buffs to Druid healing (15% to 4 major spells) resolve the under performing that you mention in this video and brings them in line?
I do think it could help a lot. Having regrowth and swiftmend buffed is massive for m+ and spot healing, and wild growth buffs go a very long way to help the fact that it felt like you needed a cooldown for every instance of damage, when other healers didn't!
can you post a link to the druid weak aura you are using
I'm out with my wife at the moment so can't grab a link, but I know how to get you to it!
Go to wag.io and search LBNinja7, it'll take you to my page and from there you can see all of my weakauras that I've posted, and luckily I've uploaded my druid one there! It may be outdated by a bit...
i play grove guardian since it was create and i want to find the genius who think about that, i really enjoy it
I really enjoy it as well. I was a massive fan of fallen order monks and wish they'd come back!
@@LBNinja7 Fallen order was fun, was a nice cd that was up every other pack. Allowed us to dps more during a pack and regen mana.
Thanks for the information, could you get past the weakauras you have in the video? Greetings.
They are the same ones I use on retail! If you go to Wag.io and search LBNinja7 all of them will come up!
can u post the talent build?
Hey man! You should try change your movement keybind from being a keyboard turner, if you change your A and D keybind to strafe your gameplay will increase massively!
I've really been wanting to docthis if I'm being honest! I just need to bite the bullet!
It’s so hard to rebind/relearn those buttons for me. I just end up hitting them constantly
@@LBNinja7 honestly dude you will learn it in a few days. Just bite the bullet and I guarantee in 5-10 keys you won’t even know how you keyboard turned for so long lol
So, Druids must not go into cat form for dealing damage? That would be great, im not a fan of shapeshifting as a Resto and i dont like playing as a melee.
Looks amazing, both cat weaving and balance weaving
i think you left a lot of damage on the table, what about starfire, Convoke the Spirits etc etc, at least you could make a little demo of what your talking about in dummies if you cannot fully do it in a dungeon
I had a clip ready but just forgot to edit it in!
I long for the day blizz lets healers just focus on healing again.
druid doesnt have much throughput after doing m+ on TWW. theres lots of healing required and monk, sham and pala are just better
I get that the title is supposed to be a joke but it’s still kinda triggering. This pervasive idea that healers don’t contribute to the team, exacerbated by healers with low dmg profiles is really frustrating. Especially when thinking about being worn out by healing m+ fortified afflicted run and being completely done by the end.
I just really wish we could move away from healers’ value being inherent in their dmg. While I have absolutely no issue with healers with dmg profiles built in like disc and mistweaver, some of us enjoy a much more healing centered play style. I wish there was a way to accommodate both.
I think you misunderstood it because I didn't mean afk in the sense that they do little damage. People refer to specs as afk healers when ai does a lot of the healing for you, like Grove guardians and fallen order monks
@@LBNinja7 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh ok, my bad. I've been on my traditional healing crusade. That makes sense. Sounds similar to the old "smart heal" arguments, but I suppose something like GG is a bit more on the passive healing side?
Thanks for clearing that up though.
@@Linknla no worries at all! We are both fighting that good fight in the damage dept!
I think druid is pretty complex and lots of buttons to press class. Played it last expansion, might play it again. Adaptive swarm is gone which means it's harder to heal and top everyone up. Also druid healing depends a lot on your team standing in the efflo, because if they do not lifebloom do not bloom and majority of your hps is gone. Idk how it's going to feel in m+ without adaptive swarm.. I think it was the only thing that kept druid alive/meta healer.
AFK healer? count me in
Using wild growth with no vamp and/ or party damage is wild. Cast less
Nice..i hate having to be casting shit 100%of the time
You're not forced to play a caster
Fistweaving is the way
Yeah red I think fistweaving might be the way lol!
I hate being green dps. If I had my way healers would only be able to do damage by over healing, IE 'Any healing done to targets at 100% health is converted to damage against your healing spell's target' and I would give them NO damage spells. You wanna solo quest? Target something and spam heals on yourself.
I don’t care for this idea based on my experience in EverQuest back in the day. It sucks being out in the world unable to kill random mobs you aggro. But to each their own. That said, I’ve never tried cat weaving. I just sprinkle in DoTs and such when I have the time and mana.
Imagine being out dps by an afk resto druid
If moonrise is too much for you to handle then it's time to swap to heals 🤣
@@LBNinja7I mean if other healers get out dps by an afk resto
I play it now that the game is released and it's far from AFK healer lol. Shaman feels like that
People don’t complain about disc priest but they complain about resto druid cat weaving. Lmao what a joke
Idk if the hero talents will fix this but the difference, at least in my experience, is that with cat weaving you cast several hots, go cat form, apply dots, repeat. This is, compared to disc priest, very GCD heavy. With my disc I only cast a radiance and then have like idk, 8 seconds or so where I can pump in my mindbender, mind blast, dark reprimand etc to pump dmg and healing. Cat weaving to me felt like an either or thing.
But the similarity in disc and resto I see is that cat weaving, and playing disc in general, becomes very hard when people take so much dmg that the maintenance rotation can not be upheld. The moment I have to pump a few flash heals ito a single DPS I feel like loosing massive HPS
I think there's a very loud minority that complains about any playstyle. People complain about fistweaving, catweaving, holy priest.... like everything. I just think some people are playing the wrong healer for them but aren't willing to swap!
Honestly I believe all healer should do some damage to some point, it just feels good.
I love to dps as a healer and fistweaving is great, but I can't stand cat weaving
Another major difference is your damage does passive healing when fistweaving or playing disc; cat damage doesn’t help you top health bars at all.
Arcane season has, and never will happen.
You think? I think there's a world where it just does enough damage!
@@LBNinja7 It's always amazing at the start, but Frost and Fire always rise. Might see some play early season 1, if any.
This is going to be so abused in pvp
Just adjust pvp
It was nice having fallen order monks keep me alive through chain ccs, this will probably do that as well!
@@LBNinja7 guardians are already so good in arena, I can only imagine.