I feel like this video was way better than the last in terms of accurate information! Loved backing up placements of specs with highlighted nerfs etc and the value levels compared to other specs of the same class. These are some of the best videos in terms of format, structure and design! Earned yourself a sub bro, keep up the hard work.
Happy to see survival high up after a long time of being a Sv main. I know pack leader is not the best hero spec, but that defensive healing talent is incredible. I will survive much longer as pack leader
@@TheComebackKids I’m also glad they removed the two other bombs, I was always focus capped when red bomb appeared, and I don’t have to rely on a bomb to apply serpent sting anymore. So far I’m having a blast shooting explosives then slicing foes
I like getting these looks into classes/specs that I haven't paid much attention to leading up to TWW. Definitely looking forward to playing monk and DK
my issue with that is.. they get loved on and then out of nowhere... dead.. Blizz kills them and then has trouble bringing them back up to speed with every other class for the rest of the classes.
Great overview.... I love my ENhancer Shamn and can't wait to play it in the new xpac. Might play Ret Pally for my alt too. Both look fun, flashy spells, good dps and still have some support buffs/heals for the group.
Shaman has so many buttons but once you really get the priority down, it’s a lot of fun. Would never call it a rotation on shaman, bc there are so many different things to do that it really is just prioritization.
I agree 100% with Feral Druid Criticism. The spec has needed a complete redesign for a few years now. Snapshotting is objectively unfun - I don't want such a mandatory requirement to apply bleeds. Looks like they won't get any love this expansion.
snapshotting is fun to some people. there are already enough classes who are "simpler" in this regard. Also there was a major rework which was actually not that bad. The thing is it is niche and the designers often do not seem to really understand the spec itself and what makes it work and what doesnt. And ofc putting ressources into a spec that is like one of the least played specs probably isnt highest priority. Snapshotting mechanics of feral right now are a joke compared to the past, you really dont have to think about it much anymore with the changes to BT. Feral from shadowlands to DF felt pretty good and they were on the right path, but with the new expansion we just get our usual disppointment again. Ferals are used to it tho.
so sad to see what has become of assassination rogue, it was my main a few expacs ago but i cant even bare it these days. They had it alright in BFA but now it just feels so disappointing
@@TheComebackKids rather than fix the energy starve they just added more abilities to sit on but hey, with slice and dice we can auto attack faster lol
Not just the ass this time, it’s all 3 specs RIP all together, I have been trying for the past few weeks to forage a trace of sensible inner logic that would rationalize why they would make rogue into such abomination yet failed. How would you reason out of sane human cognition to design a pure triple DPS specs class to be non-dps-able? Not to mention the lack of taste plain boring playstyle, not even any visual improvements, look at them warlock, dk, I bet those players don’t even want rogues to be standing among their minions, gonna lose the vibe for the whole gang. 😂 I might as well advise deleting the class than having to watch it half gone beyond saving.
As a ret paladin main for a very long time: I'm used to what you're saying about the spec. That's been the plight of ret paladins for years and its not goong to change any time soon. They'll jack the utility of holy through the roof and ret becomes the "eh, alright nobody else can fill it so I'll bring you" spec. It is what it is.
I've played rogue exclusively every expansion since vanilla. This is will be the 1st expansion I don't play at launch. The game doesn't look recognisable. I could tolerate all the changes they made to Sub since legion, and I liked some of them. But this expansion looks gross.
@@intenzityd3181 idk why they went so far away from legion rogue . Legion rogue has to be hands down my favorite . the weapons the combos . Yes sub had some break stuff i think tier 2 but all 3 classes were amazing in legion . Idk ill still play rogue till i quit wow .
Even with recent nerfs in a row FDK could still stand out, as long as mechanics make sure skills and gcds stay in consistent with each other, tuning is just an aura slide away, I’m not saying numbers are not important but at least currently that’s FDKs only worry. Check out Rogues, I couldn’t say much because it’s just too much I don’t know where to start, it’s literally becoming the source of inspiration for memes mocking Blizzard’s incompetence… 🤣
Mists feral was so fun and rewarding. It was a challenging spec but if you played right you would usually be number 1 on the meter for single target. AOE sucked though, especially before legendary cloak
After the nerfs to tanks, vengeance is kinda turning into the new blood dk with self healing So in M+ they are doing great y til higher keys For dk, frost is SLIGHTLY Lagging behind unholy after recent nerfs
I wish i saw unholy like you did. I think its always been overly complicated and way too many buttons. Every time I try to learn it, I give up after a few minutes. It just doesn't make sense. I would love to play it cause I LOVE melee pet builds.
Returning player here... always played a ranged class and wanted to try a melee yet i keep hearing/reading from several sources that you have to move a lot during boss battles meaning a lot of downtime. Is it really the case in your opinion?
And what shaman has over unholy on top of wind rush etc is windfury and the mastery buff, which translates to more than anything DK can ever offer an M+ team.
Yeah I'm very conflicted between DK or Shaman. I know it will be easier to find groups as a shaman and they offer more utility. I wish they would update our talents on Live though. We still have all the 2 point nodes in the spec tree and elemental blast is bugged
As someone who mained feral druid in several raids, the new feral is a huge step back. It's utterly unfun now. Only spec to be less fun than dragon flight as far as I can tell.
I always played ferals as a second to my ret, honestly I never cared if spec is s or d tier, ret was the absolute dogshit d-tier in shadowlands and I was able to push 23/24s with it so it is always skill in the end IMO
@@MA-gc2pc agreed, ive been playing feral for a long time whether bad or good. Just how ret got the great rework hopefully the feral dev can do the same
Feral since tbc here , now in done. Going ez unholy main melee , mm Hunter as ranged . They dont like my cat for some reason rest in peace kittycat-shattredhand
10/10 commentary on the assassination rogue, these are my exact thoughts on that spec and it is a shame that is has been such a bloated, unsatisfying mess since dragonflight. It was quite decent in shadowlands.
oh well i wanted to roll DK Unholy to Dragonflight but was forced into Monk for mythic raid progress and now unholy will be Meta which makes it harder to PUG with significantly more people playing it D:
Feral main since BC here. Feral is really easy to get into these days, but I miss times like WOD when you had to proper snapshot. Managing bloodtalons etc and doing it correctly, being rewarded with dps, always felt SO good. But for war within I am switching, been way too disappointed with certain design decisions. First nerfing our range addons ago and then removing it feels shitty. The tiger furor change also feels bad now when going into m+. I loved feral, especially because you usually were an underdog as feral player and I cant remember how often people whispered me "how do you do dmg as feral" in actually EVERY expansion. Its fun to fight prejudice and prove ppl wrong, but also its not so much fun when you played every key 20+ in time and wont get invited for weekly 15s for 1 hour because people think your spec stinks :D The message is: Play whats most fun to you. You can play all the content with every class. I used to clear every mythic raid ahead of the curve as feral, meta only matters in highend guilds which are pushing. But niche specs can make it harder to get into pugs ofc, but the fun here is to find decent people, fill your friendlist...in the end this is what MMOs were all about. Not anonymously joining pugs and leaving, never seeing those peeps again.
As a warrior main, the biggest issue is pathing in the general tree. Bottom part of the tree feels so bad for all 3 specs. I disagree in terms the hero talents. Slayer fury feels amazing, and bladestorm back is just a great feel. (Especially in pvp), and even thane is really fun. Colossus arms also feels great, but slayer arms is boring af.
I have seriously been considering running outlaw as my alt. Witht he state they are in, i have a feeling rogues will get some love and show up to the party.
Simple fix. Uncap their aoe, make their tierset baseline, fix scaling w secondary stats so we can take something besides vers, and bam. You have the most fun spec in the game.
I agree with your feral criticism but I do disagree with the snapshottimg opinion. Legion feral was very satisfying in that you managed your snapshot and worked to keep it them. With good management of dot upkeep and knowledge of fights you were so solid on st. Weakness was aoe and target swapping. It was all about bleeds. The idea that constant finishers is more fun is not what I think cat is about. I would love bleeds to be so lethal that once they are on and rolling cat can weave in other things to upkeep, off heal, etc. dot ramp up has been the problem for these type of specs. hence you have the successful classes like unholy having talents strongly buffing dots and death & decay helping to easily spread. Feral should not feel like a fury warrior spamming bites like mad. New mechanic has you “searching” for vines or some nonsense. Not sure what they want the feral to feel like.
I was super pumped for frost looking like it would compete with unholy in M+ I’m not surprised it got nerfed. Disappointing but I’m still going to stay frost unless they nerf them into the dirt.
@@TheComebackKids same if they really end up gutting it I can just switch to unholy but I really prefer the all gas no brakes playstyle of obliteration procs.
@@TheComebackKids Talking about TWW. I also wasnt talking about number performance i was talking about dmg profile. But since you brought up performance yes its pretty much equal and more often then not performing higher than UH in M+ testing and the last set of raid testing(but alot changed since). But in recent M+ testing UH is not outperforming it and even if it was(which it is not) its not even a difference that matters let alone be a 2 tier difference.
@@TheComebackKids And now top players in the world putting out their currently state of the game lists stating the same thing i said that FDK is at least equal if not better than UH. Not trying to call you out but if youre going to make content like this at least be kinda informed... Its misguiding to player who look at your content for help.
Oh man, Blizzard knocked Rogue out of the park! Can you believe these amazing Hero talents!? And they made Coup De Grace so brilliant and so amazing that you aren’t even allowed to spec out of it! Rogues are eating right now
Furry Warrior and Frost DK aways will be my favorite melee DPS. I don't care about numbers, i aways play the class and spec i think have fun gameplay and visuals. It's a videogame after all, no one should be obsessed about number and play a class/spec that don't like just to have better results.
Nice video just i'm not sure about unholy vs frost imo unholy get even more nerf than frost and it's frost now that is more played in high keys in beta. But maybe i'm wrong
Listen... Frost DK has been getting overlooked for so long that even a B tier rank is exciting to me. Obviously I hope it doesn't see anymore nerfs because I don't want to slog my way through yet another expansion as the ugly duckling of melee DPS specs but i don't mind if these recent nerfs mean that they leave it where it is for the time being so I can stop explaining to people why I play frost over unholy.
Trouble with feral is the really good players make it look op and it gets nerfed. Meanwhile the other 99% people that play it normally get shafted because they can't maximise snapshotting.
Nah trouble with feral is the class plays like shit. Its a dot spec with 2 resources and no way to easily apply dots and blood talons requiring 3 different spenders. It's terrible. Every single other dot spec in the game have very easy dot application in aoe(except assassa but at least they have caustic spatter) To be honest energy and combo points feel like an outdated resource at this point. Thats why rogues feel bad too. Whats the point of a fast gcd when you can't even press buttons because you have 0 energy?
Ret paladin was bloated with so many buttons? Cmon u had to press 3 abilities and it was at least fun with 4set. Now its gonna be extremely boring because there isnt even a space for making any mistakes, because there are no buttons at all now in tww lol. Felt like I got robbed when I logged into beta tww and everything turned into passives.
Im still torn between arms and fury warrior, always done fury warrior but half the videos are saying the opposite of what you said and arms warrior is better
Not the Ret Pally slander! Hitting us with "might be bad because Holy is so good" but Enhance gets praised when its the worst of the three amazing shaman specs. And also Ret getting hit with "hesitate if you only dps because the other specs are different roles" but then Windwalker gets praised despite the same issue!
Did you watch the video? Windwalker got put as lower value because MW same as ret what are you talking about? And I said Ret is a good spec. Don’t just make stuff up man that’s not cool.
@TheComebackKids funny thing is that I listened to the entire thing and couldn't tell that it was a tier list until the very end. Just pointing out that your descriptions can be inconsistent.
It feels so bad for triple dps class to have 0 competitive choice… as a rogue main since forever I watch every content creator video in the hope of seeing changes that will save us 1 month away from release
I like idea of being Feral Druid but this class is a mess in my opinion. There is too much going on, sounds and animations feels underwhelming, some skills are odd and not fun to press.
@@TheComebackKids there are over 100 talents to know on a single spec in dragon flight. If you want to play another spec or even an alt you now have several hundred. In addition the button bloat and overcomplicated rotations are exauhsting. So what does blizzard do... they add more talents and more spells. I like alot of the class fantasy of certain classes, but their rotations are so complicated they are not fun. We need less button bloat and less things to juggle not more complication. This would also makes blizzards job easier on tuning.
@@TheComebackKids I play a hunter on classic and the rotation is arcane shot, multishot, serpent sting....... that's it. I like retail better. We are just so many expansions deep that the developers feel the need to add new stuff to keep it relevant. Yes we do want new rotations, but we need to prune old stuff not keep adding new. Weak auras are a must on most classes if u pvp or even raid at a heroic level
Hero Talents Deathbringer (Blood/Frost) Reaper’s Mark debuff damage has been reduced by 30%. Frost Exterminate damage has been reduced by 25%. Rider of the Apocalypse (Frost/Unholy) Trollbane’s Icy Fury damage reduced by 35%. Frost All ability damage reduced by 5%. 😭
@@artoriantv93 That's okay. We don't even have hero talents right now and I'm finishing keys at 800,000 to 900, 000+ DPS It is fort week which helps, but still... most other specs are doing 30% less damage than me at the same ilvl. Fury warriors are about the only thing that keeps up with me. I am not really surprised there are upcoming nerfs in the beta lol
Im talking in the sense of activatable CD. Reck, Spear, Bladestorm, odyns fury, avatar, thunderous roar those are just the ones i remember off the top of my head lol
Watching a cat swipe at enemies over and over has never been visually appealing to me. Nothing LOOKS like it hits hard at all.
I can agree
Never liked feral or any spec where I am stuck in the same ugly form forever. If i can't transmog I won't do it
@@TheShawnMowerI would play feral if I had the sparkle cat legion artifact skins but I didnt play legion. They look amazing
I only liked feral in WOD.. when they added that talent that let you be a ware-cat thing instead of a cat.
The claws of shyvarra or whatever it was called, good times
I feel like this video was way better than the last in terms of accurate information! Loved backing up placements of specs with highlighted nerfs etc and the value levels compared to other specs of the same class. These are some of the best videos in terms of format, structure and design! Earned yourself a sub bro, keep up the hard work.
Thanks so much man, was working on this video till 7:00 am so didn’t get to sleep lol but well worth it.
@@TheComebackKids always worth it if u love what u are doing! cheers
Happy to see survival high up after a long time of being a Sv main. I know pack leader is not the best hero spec, but that defensive healing talent is incredible. I will survive much longer as pack leader
It is fun right now
@@TheComebackKids I’m also glad they removed the two other bombs, I was always focus capped when red bomb appeared, and I don’t have to rely on a bomb to apply serpent sting anymore. So far I’m having a blast shooting explosives then slicing foes
People aren’t talking about the defense of the hero trees, that’s why you don’t hear anything about death bringer. Death bringer turns you into a tank
I like getting these looks into classes/specs that I haven't paid much attention to leading up to TWW. Definitely looking forward to playing monk and DK
Hell yeah
My favorite 3 melee dos in order are 1. Enhance shame,2. Windwalker monk, 3. Fury warrior. I’ll be happy this xpac
I have always mained Paladin (20 years) and it still looks good to me. And this was one of the best videos I have seen yet. Keep it up ;)
Thank you so much
I’m soooo happy that shaman is finally getting more love lol
Same
my issue with that is.. they get loved on and then out of nowhere... dead.. Blizz kills them and then has trouble bringing them back up to speed with every other class for the rest of the classes.
Where have you guys been enhancement shaman been top tiers fps the entire DF expansion
Great overview.... I love my ENhancer Shamn and can't wait to play it in the new xpac. Might play Ret Pally for my alt too. Both look fun, flashy spells, good dps and still have some support buffs/heals for the group.
Oh yeah
Shaman has so many buttons but once you really get the priority down, it’s a lot of fun. Would never call it a rotation on shaman, bc there are so many different things to do that it really is just prioritization.
That’s fair
Thanks!
Thank you so much for watching and for the super chat!
I agree 100% with Feral Druid Criticism.
The spec has needed a complete redesign for a few years now.
Snapshotting is objectively unfun - I don't want such a mandatory requirement to apply bleeds.
Looks like they won't get any love this expansion.
I miss Claws of Shirvallah. Wish they'd bring it back and overhaul the graphics and animations
Feral in Legion was great.
snapshotting is fun to some people. there are already enough classes who are "simpler" in this regard. Also there was a major rework which was actually not that bad. The thing is it is niche and the designers often do not seem to really understand the spec itself and what makes it work and what doesnt. And ofc putting ressources into a spec that is like one of the least played specs probably isnt highest priority.
Snapshotting mechanics of feral right now are a joke compared to the past, you really dont have to think about it much anymore with the changes to BT. Feral from shadowlands to DF felt pretty good and they were on the right path, but with the new expansion we just get our usual disppointment again. Ferals are used to it tho.
100% agree with you problems is when you puggin ppl dont inv feral even that i do often lead dps in pugs but ppl dont understand ferals.@@reuterss306
so sad to see what has become of assassination rogue, it was my main a few expacs ago but i cant even bare it these days. They had it alright in BFA but now it just feels so disappointing
I agree with you.
@@TheComebackKids rather than fix the energy starve they just added more abilities to sit on but hey, with slice and dice we can auto attack faster lol
Not just the ass this time, it’s all 3 specs RIP all together, I have been trying for the past few weeks to forage a trace of sensible inner logic that would rationalize why they would make rogue into such abomination yet failed. How would you reason out of sane human cognition to design a pure triple DPS specs class to be non-dps-able? Not to mention the lack of taste plain boring playstyle, not even any visual improvements, look at them warlock, dk, I bet those players don’t even want rogues to be standing among their minions, gonna lose the vibe for the whole gang. 😂 I might as well advise deleting the class than having to watch it half gone beyond saving.
After playing Ench Shaman playing anything else feels boring cuz the lack of buttons to hit
Well that’s fair
As a ret paladin main for a very long time: I'm used to what you're saying about the spec. That's been the plight of ret paladins for years and its not goong to change any time soon. They'll jack the utility of holy through the roof and ret becomes the "eh, alright nobody else can fill it so I'll bring you" spec. It is what it is.
Im here with joy as rogue is the worst class and my main . can't wait to be beating those S and A tier classes in raid and in mythic plus .
against good players u wont lol
I've played rogue exclusively every expansion since vanilla. This is will be the 1st expansion I don't play at launch. The game doesn't look recognisable. I could tolerate all the changes they made to Sub since legion, and I liked some of them. But this expansion looks gross.
@@intenzityd3181 idk why they went so far away from legion rogue . Legion rogue has to be hands down my favorite . the weapons the combos . Yes sub had some break stuff i think tier 2 but all 3 classes were amazing in legion . Idk ill still play rogue till i quit wow .
@@BetterThenU92 you mean God tier ppl yes but good ppl is where i think im at lol .
@@intenzityd3181 wait they buff us to the heaven and we clap everybody hard
Shaman probably one of the funnest classes for me. Ele and enhance i just want 2h back just because thematically it looks bad ass.
I can agree on 2h
Been playing survival since shadowlands, always loved the abilities and the playstyle. I’m happy it’s being recognized as a spec in the game
Hell yeah
I feel bad for my DH, he's too clunky, but I still have my mage! So how do I get into the guild?
Brian, we are going to be making a community post and talking about it in a video soon!
@@TheComebackKids cool beans, looking forward to it
Dude I just found your channel, you make the best videos. Also, cries in rogue.
Thank you man appreciate it!
@ 14:10 how the hell is the wings of that DH on Demonform so Purple? Is there a new glyph?
It’s a trinket
Lmao blizz seen frost dk getting some play time and said "ah fuck we csnt have this"
lol sad but kinda true
Even with recent nerfs in a row FDK could still stand out, as long as mechanics make sure skills and gcds stay in consistent with each other, tuning is just an aura slide away, I’m not saying numbers are not important but at least currently that’s FDKs only worry. Check out Rogues, I couldn’t say much because it’s just too much I don’t know where to start, it’s literally becoming the source of inspiration for memes mocking Blizzard’s incompetence… 🤣
frost dk still top of the list ..
As a feral main that hasn't played in almost a decade.... this hurts 😅 feral/ balance during MoP was amazing!!!!
Mists feral was so fun and rewarding. It was a challenging spec but if you played right you would usually be number 1 on the meter for single target. AOE sucked though, especially before legendary cloak
Oh hell yeah
I agree the whole mechanism and animation things you mentioned, but currently this kitten is op as freak in pvp, a solid T0😼
I think I missed the Spec Value comparisson for DKs and DHs? How are their specs doing ?
After the nerfs to tanks, vengeance is kinda turning into the new blood dk with self healing
So in M+ they are doing great y til higher keys
For dk, frost is SLIGHTLY Lagging behind unholy after recent nerfs
This is purely for pve right? It’s too loud where I am rn to hear
Yes
@@TheComebackKids thanks brother :)
I wish i saw unholy like you did. I think its always been overly complicated and way too many buttons. Every time I try to learn it, I give up after a few minutes. It just doesn't make sense. I would love to play it cause I LOVE melee pet builds.
Plz fix rogue
Enhancer will be my main. Stormbringer looks so sick. 🎉🎉
Yeah i love it. I main resto shaman but Will master Enhouncement and elemental as Well
Ret had so many buttons?? Dragonflight ret has like 3 cds and 6 rotational buttons.. that’s button bloat?
That’s after the rework in Dragonflight
@@TheComebackKids ah got ya :)
Returning player here... always played a ranged class and wanted to try a melee yet i keep hearing/reading from several sources that you have to move a lot during boss battles meaning a lot of downtime. Is it really the case in your opinion?
You will have some downtime but nothing crazy, and as you learn fights more it becomes less and less of a problem
@@TheComebackKids May i ask which of those has a lower button smash ie apm? dont want carpal tunnel to act up 😅
It depends the lowest APM specs if I remember correctly are BM and Devoker
You should do a poll and ask everybody if they would be more hyped for new classic fresh or war within
We will get fresh at some point, but now is not the time, hop on Deviate Delight and start grinding.
A strong advantage unholy has over shaman is actual defensive buttons.
And what shaman has over unholy on top of wind rush etc is windfury and the mastery buff, which translates to more than anything DK can ever offer an M+ team.
ye shaman has 1 defensive and is overlooked for the same reason
Shaman is much better overall. You also have hero
Plus you have access to one of the best healing speccs
Yeah I'm very conflicted between DK or Shaman. I know it will be easier to find groups as a shaman and they offer more utility. I wish they would update our talents on Live though. We still have all the 2 point nodes in the spec tree and elemental blast is bugged
As someone who mained feral druid in several raids, the new feral is a huge step back. It's utterly unfun now. Only spec to be less fun than dragon flight as far as I can tell.
the bloat from enh comes primarily from the billion totems.
they need to merge totems so that 1 totem does what 3 or 4 currently do.
That’s fair
they should give rogues extra energy cool downs so they regen slower that way they can just delete them after this expac.
Rip to us ferals 😢
This is like 4 expansions in a row though lol. Time to move on
@@Rebsfan11it was great in Dragonflight. No idea why Blizzard hates our spec.
I always played ferals as a second to my ret, honestly I never cared if spec is s or d tier, ret was the absolute dogshit d-tier in shadowlands and I was able to push 23/24s with it so it is always skill in the end IMO
@@MA-gc2pc agreed, ive been playing feral for a long time whether bad or good. Just how ret got the great rework hopefully the feral dev can do the same
Feral since tbc here , now in done. Going ez unholy main melee , mm Hunter as ranged . They dont like my cat for some reason rest in peace kittycat-shattredhand
10/10 commentary on the assassination rogue, these are my exact thoughts on that spec and it is a shame that is has been such a bloated, unsatisfying mess since dragonflight. It was quite decent in shadowlands.
Thanks
oh well i wanted to roll DK Unholy to Dragonflight but was forced into Monk for mythic raid progress and now unholy will be Meta which makes it harder to PUG with significantly more people playing it D:
True
How can DK have hero talents if it's already a hero class?
lol if that’s the case then DH and evoker should not have them either.
Feral main since BC here.
Feral is really easy to get into these days, but I miss times like WOD when you had to proper snapshot. Managing bloodtalons etc and doing it correctly, being rewarded with dps, always felt SO good. But for war within I am switching, been way too disappointed with certain design decisions. First nerfing our range addons ago and then removing it feels shitty. The tiger furor change also feels bad now when going into m+.
I loved feral, especially because you usually were an underdog as feral player and I cant remember how often people whispered me "how do you do dmg as feral" in actually EVERY expansion. Its fun to fight prejudice and prove ppl wrong, but also its not so much fun when you played every key 20+ in time and wont get invited for weekly 15s for 1 hour because people think your spec stinks :D
The message is: Play whats most fun to you. You can play all the content with every class. I used to clear every mythic raid ahead of the curve as feral, meta only matters in highend guilds which are pushing. But niche specs can make it harder to get into pugs ofc, but the fun here is to find decent people, fill your friendlist...in the end this is what MMOs were all about. Not anonymously joining pugs and leaving, never seeing those peeps again.
Love this
As a warrior main, the biggest issue is pathing in the general tree. Bottom part of the tree feels so bad for all 3 specs.
I disagree in terms the hero talents. Slayer fury feels amazing, and bladestorm back is just a great feel. (Especially in pvp), and even thane is really fun.
Colossus arms also feels great, but slayer arms is boring af.
That’s a solid point
@@TheComebackKids I do admit it isn't flashy like other classes though. But I guess thay is why I enjoy warrior. The classic bonk class.
@Blood_Ronin Zug Zug if you will
Hopefully, this is the expac that breaks the camels back and gives feral the rework it desperately needs
I've always loved Unholy since the beginning, I'm glad it's doing well! It's such an interesting spec.
Are you going to do a ranged dps version of this video?
Yes, that’s the next video coming out, and after that it will be an ultimate class picking guide!
I have seriously been considering running outlaw as my alt. Witht he state they are in, i have a feeling rogues will get some love and show up to the party.
I’m sure they will at some point
Simple fix. Uncap their aoe, make their tierset baseline, fix scaling w secondary stats so we can take something besides vers, and bam. You have the most fun spec in the game.
I agree with your feral criticism but I do disagree with the snapshottimg opinion. Legion feral was very satisfying in that you managed your snapshot and worked to keep it them. With good management of dot upkeep and knowledge of fights you were so solid on st. Weakness was aoe and target swapping. It was all about bleeds. The idea that constant finishers is more fun is not what I think cat is about. I would love bleeds to be so lethal that once they are on and rolling cat can weave in other things to upkeep, off heal, etc. dot ramp up has been the problem for these type of specs. hence you have the successful classes like unholy having talents strongly buffing dots and death & decay helping to easily spread. Feral should not feel like a fury warrior spamming bites like mad. New mechanic has you “searching” for vines or some nonsense. Not sure what they want the feral to feel like.
I was super pumped for frost looking like it would compete with unholy in M+ I’m not surprised it got nerfed. Disappointing but I’m still going to stay frost unless they nerf them into the dirt.
I really hope frost stays good
@@TheComebackKids same if they really end up gutting it I can just switch to unholy but I really prefer the all gas no brakes playstyle of obliteration procs.
As a UH DK, I still be out dpsing frost dks especially on single target
I'm debating between ret and survival. These two have the best revamps imo, they feel great to play and do good damage.
I can agree they do both feel great
I’m having so much fun with Survival. I wanted to make we my main, but I think I may do my survival
Hell yeah
Using damage on beta as a criteria is pretty pointless. How they deal damage on the other hand..
cant have Unholy S and FDK B when FDK has a overall better damage profile atm in almost all scenarios besides strictly pure ST....
Are you talking about in pre patch? Because while both are doing solid, on beta at the moment Unholy is outperforming frost.
@@TheComebackKids Talking about TWW. I also wasnt talking about number performance i was talking about dmg profile. But since you brought up performance yes its pretty much equal and more often then not performing higher than UH in M+ testing and the last set of raid testing(but alot changed since). But in recent M+ testing UH is not outperforming it and even if it was(which it is not) its not even a difference that matters let alone be a 2 tier difference.
@@TheComebackKids And now top players in the world putting out their currently state of the game lists stating the same thing i said that FDK is at least equal if not better than UH. Not trying to call you out but if youre going to make content like this at least be kinda informed... Its misguiding to player who look at your content for help.
I wish they did a squish stats, the numbers are crazy
Agreed
very cool video and great idea to talk also about fun... DPS is not everything.
too bad it's 760p. Hard to see the graphics because its a bit blurred.
Long time feral main, I am honestly bored. Gonna be elemental shaman, so much fun
That’s fair
Made the decision to go with a plate dps and came across this vid.
And I’m still undecided between unholy DK, fury warrior, and ret pally 🤦
I like all of them tbh, but DK has coolest hero talents
@@TheComebackKids yep and that’s what my friend told me. Unholy DK it is. Haven’t mained one since Wrath but looking forward to it!
Just finished getting mine ready on moon remix lmfaoooo
That class is so much fun with the hero talents man…
Lmao notice how the FDK looked at the nerfs then shook his head
How do you see the beta dps logs?
Wym?
@@TheComebackKids I see people posting the dps logs from the beta. But can't seem to find them myself
FYI Feral isn't that bad, seen feral on beta BEFORE the buff's crush unholy and fury in ST raid bosses and my god gap them in AOE.
If you watch the video though you would have heard dps isn’t necessarily ferals problem….
Can I get a link for your UI setup?
Will try to make a video of this soon
i agree on the feral take 100%
Oh man, Blizzard knocked Rogue out of the park!
Can you believe these amazing Hero talents!? And they made Coup De Grace so brilliant and so amazing that you aren’t even allowed to spec out of it!
Rogues are eating right now
Outlaw is a dead spec, they need to remove half of the buttons.
Furry Warrior and Frost DK aways will be my favorite melee DPS. I don't care about numbers, i aways play the class and spec i think have fun gameplay and visuals. It's a videogame after all, no one should be obsessed about number and play a class/spec that don't like just to have better results.
That’s fair
Nice video just i'm not sure about unholy vs frost imo unholy get even more nerf than frost and it's frost now that is more played in high keys in beta. But maybe i'm wrong
i like hunters hero talents is an owl just pooping on the enemies 🤣
Listen... Frost DK has been getting overlooked for so long that even a B tier rank is exciting to me. Obviously I hope it doesn't see anymore nerfs because I don't want to slog my way through yet another expansion as the ugly duckling of melee DPS specs but i don't mind if these recent nerfs mean that they leave it where it is for the time being so I can stop explaining to people why I play frost over unholy.
That’s fair
I belive every season there will be classes which will be better or worse. Blizzards wants you to play multiple toons.
I told you fury is rocking
You were right tbh
Outlaw is capped at 8, not 5..
They took my perfect paladin and turned it to shit... idc if it's any good they butchered most of my favorit talents lmao
Trouble with feral is the really good players make it look op and it gets nerfed. Meanwhile the other 99% people that play it normally get shafted because they can't maximise snapshotting.
Well and that’s been the problem with snapshotting forever
Nah trouble with feral is the class plays like shit. Its a dot spec with 2 resources and no way to easily apply dots and blood talons requiring 3 different spenders. It's terrible. Every single other dot spec in the game have very easy dot application in aoe(except assassa but at least they have caustic spatter)
To be honest energy and combo points feel like an outdated resource at this point. Thats why rogues feel bad too. Whats the point of a fast gcd when you can't even press buttons because you have 0 energy?
where is boomi? i have been out dps people with new spec and lowest ilvl xD
I mean in most content you can do on beta, they are normalizing gear
Ret paladin was bloated with so many buttons? Cmon u had to press 3 abilities and it was at least fun with 4set. Now its gonna be extremely boring because there isnt even a space for making any mistakes, because there are no buttons at all now in tww lol. Felt like I got robbed when I logged into beta tww and everything turned into passives.
It felt a little bloated pre Dragonflight rework
Im still torn between arms and fury warrior, always done fury warrior but half the videos are saying the opposite of what you said and arms warrior is better
yeah i see your video other day has arms warrior as S tier, is fury better then?
@marcusbell5360 they are both in a decent spot
the biggest problem in prepatch is plate armor right now
Yikes
Not the Ret Pally slander! Hitting us with "might be bad because Holy is so good" but Enhance gets praised when its the worst of the three amazing shaman specs.
And also Ret getting hit with "hesitate if you only dps because the other specs are different roles" but then Windwalker gets praised despite the same issue!
Did you watch the video? Windwalker got put as lower value because MW same as ret what are you talking about? And I said Ret is a good spec. Don’t just make stuff up man that’s not cool.
@TheComebackKids funny thing is that I listened to the entire thing and couldn't tell that it was a tier list until the very end.
Just pointing out that your descriptions can be inconsistent.
Assassination losing shadow dance sent that spec to the dumpster
Going down with the ship on my rogue.
I bet Outlaw will still be slapping hard in M+ though
That’s fair
I see what you did there
so is this tier list for the war within?
mountain thane is great. 1.5illiom st damage, and for PVP, so much healing
That’s true
The thumbnail should say thats about raid. Assa rogue is really good in m+
But yes the heros are crap, buffs wouldnt change that
It feels so bad for triple dps class to have 0 competitive choice… as a rogue main since forever I watch every content creator video in the hope of seeing changes that will save us 1 month away from release
Yeah I feel this
Ok so don't take unholy/enhancement/fury, tier S class is 90% alt char, no mastered :)
the ONLY problem with enh shammy is the fact ele and resto exists.. :/
Yikes
Feral main … will switch to my Ret, or start a DK in TWW 😢
That’s fair
I like idea of being Feral Druid but this class is a mess in my opinion. There is too much going on, sounds and animations feels underwhelming, some skills are odd and not fun to press.
I agree
I only play outlaw rogue because i rp a pirate so rip lol.
Love it
ranged video soon?
That’s the next one coming
Goong yo hard disagree with frost dk and arms, both are much stronger as of the last tibing.
Leveled enhance in mop and my fucking god. They need to cut the buttons by at LEAST 3. I dont need 400 totems ffs.
Retribution paladin for life
Only thing, melee should start at A tier since they are not ranged.
lol
Looks like Blizzard didn't listen at all and they add more complication in War Within......
How so
@@TheComebackKids there are over 100 talents to know on a single spec in dragon flight. If you want to play another spec or even an alt you now have several hundred. In addition the button bloat and overcomplicated rotations are exauhsting. So what does blizzard do... they add more talents and more spells.
I like alot of the class fantasy of certain classes, but their rotations are so complicated they are not fun. We need less button bloat and less things to juggle not more complication. This would also makes blizzards job easier on tuning.
I mean you are making it sound way more complicated than it is, you can make classics talent tree seem complicated if you talk about it like that.
@@TheComebackKids I play a hunter on classic and the rotation is arcane shot, multishot, serpent sting....... that's it.
I like retail better. We are just so many expansions deep that the developers feel the need to add new stuff to keep it relevant. Yes we do want new rotations, but we need to prune old stuff not keep adding new. Weak auras are a must on most classes if u pvp or even raid at a heroic level
Blizz may aswell delete the Feral spec from the game, because they clearly do not give a sh*t about it :/
I’ve been saying this exact thing with Outlaw since the specc was introduced, it’s like a gerbil on adderall. It’s just fucking bad.
Dragon flight outlaw rogue is the best gameplay any class and any specs has ever seen in wow’s history I dunno how you came up with that
You are entitled to that opinion.
My ilvl 528 Frost DK is doing NUTTY damage in keys. I did 919k DPS OVERALL in AA+10 yesterday as a Frost DK.
The spec is INSANE and fun!
Love that
Hero Talents
Deathbringer (Blood/Frost)
Reaper’s Mark debuff damage has been reduced by 30%.
Frost
Exterminate damage has been reduced by 25%.
Rider of the Apocalypse (Frost/Unholy)
Trollbane’s Icy Fury damage reduced by 35%.
Frost
All ability damage reduced by 5%. 😭
@@artoriantv93 That's okay. We don't even have hero talents right now and I'm finishing keys at 800,000 to 900, 000+ DPS
It is fort week which helps, but still... most other specs are doing 30% less damage than me at the same ilvl. Fury warriors are about the only thing that keeps up with me.
I am not really surprised there are upcoming nerfs in the beta lol
@@d4mephisto Your not taking into account the borrowed power some classes are getting.. the changes + the tier set makes some classes pump.
@@Karl-tc7iz hey you know that's fair. I don't know all those details for every class and spec. That's a good point actually
Too many buttons for fury warrior.. Man wtf literally needs to be double that amount of buttons it has.
Im talking in the sense of activatable CD. Reck, Spear, Bladestorm, odyns fury, avatar, thunderous roar
those are just the ones i remember off the top of my head lol
Eh if that’s how you feel I guess
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