@@eddphobia Assassination rogue has aoe bleed,aoe mortal strike,aoe silence,aoe slow, aoe shiv all w/o compromising single target dmg,can get you down to half hp w/o using a cd ,has 2 charges of vanish as well. Outlaw doesn't bring anything the other 2 specs cant bring. Sort of viewed as a lower tier sub rogue. Assa is the best team fighter of the 3, That coin flip you spoke of ? That's the rng dmg that outlaw brings lol. Sometime it hits hard depending on the coin toss or dice roll..
@@ominai1877 correct it does have this but inside arena it doesnt feel strong compared to its other specs. I don't make my tier list generally off of Rbg Which i stated inside the video. i will have a separate video for BGB and Rbgs
One thing I'm interested to see how it plays out with Feral in PvP is the Druid of the Claw hero talent tree and the Fluid Form talent as it allows you to effectively "Bearweave" as part of a normal cat rotation. Wildshape Mastery from Druid of the Claw allows you to retain 80% of bear armor / stamina for 6 seconds (including Ironfur bonus if you stay in bear long enough to cast that) after leaving bear form and Fluid Form allows you to auto-shift into bear with a Mangle and auto-shift to cat with a Rake or Shred. So you'll be able to replace a filler Shred with a Mangle, then go right back to Shred or Rake to get back into cat with a lot more armor and health for 6 seconds. Mangle hits for about half of Shred damage, so it's not a huge damage loss to at least double physical damage reduction and add some extra health. In theory at least, it should help a lot with that weakness Feral has of no damage output when you have to go defensive. I didn't play beta enough to test it out at 80, so we'll see how it goes.
@@taggart806 oo nice, but I can imagine the carpal tunnel it causes. Sounds like you make a macro for mangle and rake shred, with shape-shifting coomsnds to bear and cat to perform your attack?
@@cc66bb44 You don't to do anything to shapeshift if you have the Fluid Form talent. Regardless of the form you are in, if you hit Mangle, it will shift you to bear. If you hit Rake or Shred, it will shift you to cat (it basically eliminates the GCD from shifting and the need to shift to the right form manually. So all you really need is a key bind for Mangle and a keybind for Rake or Shred (I used Shred) that isn't on the main shapeshifting bar that changes with your form (Action Bar 1 by default). In my keybind setup, I have Mangle and and Shred on a bar other than than Action Bar 1 so I can hit either regardless of the form I'm in. So instead of just using all Shreds as filler in cat while waiting for combo points or Brutal Slash cooldowns, I'll throw in 1 mangle (which shifts you to Bear), then immediately follow it Shred (to go back to Cat and get that 80% bear armor/stam for 6 seconds). So in effect, it's 1 extra ability (Mangle) to mix in a Cat rotation to regularly pop into Bear and back to Cat automatically. The other thing that's nice about how it works is when you are in cat and hit Mangle, you pretty much always have 40 rage right away (from the shifting and from the Mangle hit), so you'd have enough rage right away to hit Ironfur before going back to Shred and Ironfur's GCD is very fast. So for the damage loss from Shred to Mangle, you get a lot more survivability and if you can spend about an extra second to get an Ironfur off, you can get even more armor back in Cat for 6 seconds. LIke I said, I don't think you'd do this in every fight, but against other melee in particular, throwing in Mangles periodically should help survivability a lot.
Sub is best rogue spec. It is A tier in the end. Outlaw is B Tier, Not anyone.. like the average player as you say, can play the spec. Overall solid list tho !
@eddphobia i guess this has to bee noobs fighting noobs, if anyone has any kind of knowledge of the game feral would be top A' and imo thats where it belongs, but kuddos to you my friend good vid
I love these list because enhance is actually pretty good if not really good in pve and if it’s the worst pvp melee. Maybe some more buffs can come its way. I’m playing resto but I’d love some off spec enhance
Assa rogue main forever and its definitely in A tier. It pumps and still has an amazing kit into melee and casters and double vanish is hugeee since its weakness was lack of defensives.
Ive seem like 10 tier list these days and one thing all of them have in common is enhance being trash and frost mage being S-tier everywhere...what bothers me is furry warrior and frost dk tho, some youtubers put fury b tier while putting frost dk Stier or the opposite while other a classes are almost the same..why frost dk and furry warrior are considered S tier by someone but for others they are b tier while all A clasess are picked same by all these vids ive watches.
Fk frost mage I posted about them on the beta forum 2 days ago about how could the devs let this go live And I got a ban til Friday on posting on the forums
@@BasedChadman u didn't watch the video my friend I can tell by this comment. Maybe don't skip to the end my friend. What's worse is we live in a world where some1 like you didn't watch the video but still decided hey I'm going to comment on how wrong this video is that I didn't watch. Sad just sad
@eddphobia Throwing all tanks in d because "who cares about tanks" is lazy as hell, if you want a real response. They have been a bg staple for a long time and have even seen light in arenas from time to time with meta defining moments. BGB is about to become a very popular game mode, and tanks will inevitably be part of comps.
Average player tier list is hard to find, so much welcome. thankyou for another great vid :D
I figured every1 only makes top 1% videos and that's not a fair advice to give average or newer players :)
@@eddphobia Assassination rogue has aoe bleed,aoe mortal strike,aoe silence,aoe slow, aoe shiv all w/o compromising single target dmg,can get you down to half hp w/o using a cd ,has 2 charges of vanish as well. Outlaw doesn't bring anything the other 2 specs cant bring. Sort of viewed as a lower tier sub rogue. Assa is the best team fighter of the 3, That coin flip you spoke of ? That's the rng dmg that outlaw brings lol. Sometime it hits hard depending on the coin toss or dice roll..
@@ominai1877 correct it does have this but inside arena it doesnt feel strong compared to its other specs. I don't make my tier list generally off of Rbg Which i stated inside the video. i will have a separate video for BGB and Rbgs
Man I’ve been running wind walker monk for a grip now and I’ve had a blast with how fast they are. But I can’t wait to see where it goes !
One thing I'm interested to see how it plays out with Feral in PvP is the Druid of the Claw hero talent tree and the Fluid Form talent as it allows you to effectively "Bearweave" as part of a normal cat rotation. Wildshape Mastery from Druid of the Claw allows you to retain 80% of bear armor / stamina for 6 seconds (including Ironfur bonus if you stay in bear long enough to cast that) after leaving bear form and Fluid Form allows you to auto-shift into bear with a Mangle and auto-shift to cat with a Rake or Shred. So you'll be able to replace a filler Shred with a Mangle, then go right back to Shred or Rake to get back into cat with a lot more armor and health for 6 seconds. Mangle hits for about half of Shred damage, so it's not a huge damage loss to at least double physical damage reduction and add some extra health.
In theory at least, it should help a lot with that weakness Feral has of no damage output when you have to go defensive. I didn't play beta enough to test it out at 80, so we'll see how it goes.
@@taggart806 oo nice, but I can imagine the carpal tunnel it causes.
Sounds like you make a macro for mangle and rake shred, with shape-shifting coomsnds to bear and cat to perform your attack?
@@cc66bb44 You don't to do anything to shapeshift if you have the Fluid Form talent. Regardless of the form you are in, if you hit Mangle, it will shift you to bear. If you hit Rake or Shred, it will shift you to cat (it basically eliminates the GCD from shifting and the need to shift to the right form manually.
So all you really need is a key bind for Mangle and a keybind for Rake or Shred (I used Shred) that isn't on the main shapeshifting bar that changes with your form (Action Bar 1 by default).
In my keybind setup, I have Mangle and and Shred on a bar other than than Action Bar 1 so I can hit either regardless of the form I'm in. So instead of just using all Shreds as filler in cat while waiting for combo points or Brutal Slash cooldowns, I'll throw in 1 mangle (which shifts you to Bear), then immediately follow it Shred (to go back to Cat and get that 80% bear armor/stam for 6 seconds).
So in effect, it's 1 extra ability (Mangle) to mix in a Cat rotation to regularly pop into Bear and back to Cat automatically.
The other thing that's nice about how it works is when you are in cat and hit Mangle, you pretty much always have 40 rage right away (from the shifting and from the Mangle hit), so you'd have enough rage right away to hit Ironfur before going back to Shred and Ironfur's GCD is very fast. So for the damage loss from Shred to Mangle, you get a lot more survivability and if you can spend about an extra second to get an Ironfur off, you can get even more armor back in Cat for 6 seconds.
LIke I said, I don't think you'd do this in every fight, but against other melee in particular, throwing in Mangles periodically should help survivability a lot.
Great video, loved how down to earth your tier list reasonings were!
TY I am glad it felt reasonable :)
Hi, what are two dps that might work with SP in 2v2 double dps arena? Ty
Rip holy priest 😭🤣 the Detroit pistons of pvp healing specs
lolol
This tier list is pretty spot on.
Sub is best rogue spec. It is A tier in the end. Outlaw is B Tier, Not anyone.. like the average player as you say, can play the spec. Overall solid list tho !
perhaps but both specs r not user friendly and outlaw can pad aoe in TWW which makes it easier imo for lower ratings
Feral needs to be lower because it's like rogue, it's hard to play their kit
The average feral will out do the average of other classes to due the simplicity of their damage being so high.
@eddphobia i guess this has to bee noobs fighting noobs, if anyone has any kind of knowledge of the game feral would be top A' and imo thats where it belongs, but kuddos to you my friend good vid
I love these list because enhance is actually pretty good if not really good in pve and if it’s the worst pvp melee. Maybe some more buffs can come its way. I’m playing resto but I’d love some off spec enhance
Average player list is goated, thanks man
Im glad!
Assa rogue main forever and its definitely in A tier. It pumps and still has an amazing kit into melee and casters and double vanish is hugeee since its weakness was lack of defensives.
Gonna level in a couple hours. Big question. Shadow priest, mage, or evoker?
whatever u find the most fun besides it being OP or not
now teach us noob shadow priests how to play when getting trained in a triple melee lobby. pretty plz
lol on the list of videos
Just play Blitz 💪🏻
@@Chiz558 Blitz for a player like me isn't competitive enough for me to main and he might feel the same.
There's no escape it's pretty much sit there and take it.
@@jojoheadshrinker24 I’ve been playing BG at level 80 and archon is absolutely insane. Top damage by far
Frost also has no CD roots with no Dr from thar ring thing
You better not let Supatease hear your boomie ranking. Guy melts the melee cleave team with 1m dps and they're still mid
@@MoreOriginality lolol
Man love Icelance, made a mage for this exp just cause of million icelances
lol yea I cant say it doesn't look fun bcuz it def does
Finally jumping on the Tier list bandwagon :DDD
@@GpDailyGames lol yea I was asked to make 1 so I did
Rogues however need to lower based on how hard they are to play
Be fine if stealth wasn't bugged. Bloody nightmare
No augmentation?
@@nchershey it's in the description
Ive seem like 10 tier list these days and one thing all of them have in common is enhance being trash and frost mage being S-tier everywhere...what bothers me is furry warrior and frost dk tho, some youtubers put fury b tier while putting frost dk Stier or the opposite while other a classes are almost the same..why frost dk and furry warrior are considered S tier by someone but for others they are b tier while all A clasess are picked same by all these vids ive watches.
Alot of tier list r b4 updates or changes so they tend to change. Frost was stier and then they got nerfed
Bro what is happening in your place? Nightmare fuel
Where is augmentation Evoker?
Its in the description my buddy
🔥 🔥
This dude wants all my classes to get nerfed
Fk frost mage
I posted about them on the beta forum 2 days ago about how could the devs let this go live
And I got a ban til Friday on posting on the forums
Sub is boolshit too, with their 3 million eviscerated.
Ret is crappy
Poor damage and nerfed defensives
What is going on in the background lol 😂
wife was watching tv lol
Ele is S tier. Survival is B tier
Id agree but I don't see Ele being Stier after the nerfs its got
Marks has the same defenses as sv
more damage and can cleave vs melee unlike mm under pressure
Boomie is prob s as you first thought.
Blood and Brew in d tier is wild
@@BasedChadman u didn't watch the video my friend I can tell by this comment. Maybe don't skip to the end my friend. What's worse is we live in a world where some1 like you didn't watch the video but still decided hey I'm going to comment on how wrong this video is that I didn't watch. Sad just sad
@@eddphobia Guardian in D tier is crazy
@@BasedChadman once again u didn't watch the video lol this is an arena and SS video and don't rate tanks in arena pvp
@eddphobia Throwing all tanks in d because "who cares about tanks" is lazy as hell, if you want a real response.
They have been a bg staple for a long time and have even seen light in arenas from time to time with meta defining moments. BGB is about to become a very popular game mode, and tanks will inevitably be part of comps.
@@BasedChadman go sit some big ques your points invalid
Trash tier list
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