Lilith BETRAYED Charlie & Lucifer? Hazbin Hotel Finale Breakdown & Theories!
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I now realize I completely misread the situation, and it seems way more obvious now that Lilith had a deal with ADAM instead of against him!
Not the first time I Got something so blatantly wrong, won't be the last either, but promise I'll be doing a new video on the implications of that one sometime this week.
I have a thought, in Ep5 why do we not see Lilith's face? We see her in paintings and stuff, we know what she looks like, but why can we not see her? I think that wasn't lilith, her hair style doesn't seem like Lilith's hair. It looks more like Eve, with the bangs. We haven't seen Eve's face yet, yet we seen Lilith's face
Lucifer did also imply that he banged eve.
From what we can see it does seem as if Lilith abandonned Charlie and Hell. But that has not to be the case because we dont know if Lilith being in heaven was her reward for services rendered or her price to pay for something Adam could provide her with. After all why should Lilith who as far as we know detests Adam willingly stay in heaven where his influence weighs heavier then hers. It should also be noted that Lilith wasnt the only one who had an deal with Heaven/Adam. Lucifer too did make a pact with Adam/heaven to protect the Hellborn demons from the extermination with the price likely being that he wouldnt interfere or try to stop the exterminations. This pact was broken by Adam when he attempted to kill Charlie what allowed Lucifer to join the battle. Maybe Liliths pact was something similar with the price being that she leaves hell and Charlie. THough then it would make little sense for lute saying that LIlith has to do something if she wants to stay in heaven.
Another thing i noted is that the mentioned foundations of heaven could very well be meant literal and not metaphorical. Hell could be the foundation on which heaven is built.
We're all human, it's okay!
Still an entertaining video 💜
You could be right and that would be a shocker
Lute said “ your deal is done” meaning there was a deal between Adam and Lilith not her and Lilith to remove Adam.
Yeah, assuming the deal is no longer available due to Adam dying. Lute seemed way too sad to want Adam dead
dang i super misread this one
@@CartoonUniversewhole video to trash :/
Makes sense Lute seemed genuinely horrified Adam was killed and had zero reason to pretend to feel that way.
@@CartoonUniverse This was the take away I got from this exchange as well - "Adam's dead, your deal with him to stay here is done, and if you want to continue to stay, I'm the one you're dealing with. Sort your daughter out, or your gone."
I think you misunderstood what Lute said. Lute said Lilith made a deal with Adam to let her stay and now that Adam is dead, that deal is void, not that Lute made a deal with Lilith to kill Adam.
I highly suspect that Lilith wanted to protect her family, so the deal protects them - and Adam demanded that Lilith returned to his side (become subservient and all that).
So Liliths deal with Alastor would have to do with double protection as she knows that Charlie would get involved and that Adam would break the deal.
@@z2ynbut same time I have a hunch too Lilith wanted some information like one of many possible motivation Lilith went to heaven like what you said or more she wanted information because remember roo is important here same too eve as well in season 2
I'm gonna bet the deal was that hellborn weren't allowed to be killed and in return she stayed away from hell (so no more singing/inspiring sinners) once her daughter came of a certain age.
I believe that another part of the deal would be that Lilith also lies to Sera to make it look like Hell has any intention of starting a rebellion cause it’s obvious in the show that before Carmella offed an angel, *nobody* in Hell thought it possible to kill an angel. So who in their right mind would try to start a rebellion against those they believe to be unkillable? And Sera doesn’t sound like she wanted the extermination as much as Adam and Lite too in the song between Emily and Charlie
Wait a minute, does that mean Lilith wanted the angels to carry on with their extermination of her own people? In exchange for staying in heaven?
Her daughter and (ex?)husband: *Fighting for their lives*
Lilith: *Chilling out getting a tan*
Please. For Lucifer that fight with Adam was barely worth his time.
She'll need alot of sunbathing to get a tan 😂
@@Vixenschuuring yeah she pale af
Because who is fighting for their lives and making jokes about the enemies exes
@@VixenschuuringWell, apparently she's been there for SEVEN YEARS, so that's A LOT OF TIME to get a tan!!!!
Makes me wonder if Eve is Charlie's bio mother instead of Lillith, and that is why she is acting the way she is. Not justifying or condoning the behavior, but makes sense why she comes off as shallow.
makes sense, Lucifer and Lilith have been together for 10000 years but Charlie was only born 200 years ago and what Lucifer said to Adam also implies that he had a fling with Eve at some point.
One thing I’ve stared to wonder (and this is a serious stretch I know) what if the real reason Lucifer was cast down wasn’t the forbidden fruit, but Charlie. Like Angels aren’t supposed to have Children and he broke that rule, now they’re scared of what Charlie might be capable of. It was sort of inspired by some videos I saw wondering if Charlie is the “anti-Christ”
@@jaohonaxa nice idea but no charlie was not a thing back there
Also charlie has hooved feet
I don't think she inherited that from Lucifer and we saw Lilith having human feet
@@NoitNoit-ef2yq I believe he was referring to the Apple that he gave to eve, she also didn't seem to mind what he had to offer, referring to the Apple he gave Eve
I don’t think that Lilith’s original deal with Lute, I think it was with Adam. Lute says something to the effect of “Adam is dead and your deal is done. If you want to stay here the new deal is you go stop your daughter from changing things”.
So I’m not sure if Adam’s death was something that Lute wanted like proposed here, but that’s just my interpretation😊
It was 100% Lute even said so.
Also Lute was genuinely distraught when Adam died, and walked up to Lilith just seething. How she acted was way too genuine if it was planned.
I doubt Adam could be demoted for Lute to take charge without killing or casting him down to Hell. So Lute definitely didn't want him gone.
For all of Adams's issues, he still didn't through his deal with Lilith in Lucifer's face
yeah this is the message i took from that scene as well, i'm surprised more people didn't see it from this perspective.
Something I theorized was that back in episode 7 Alastor made a deal with Charlie. He said that Charlie would have to do a favor for him in return. This would be a perfect time for Alastor to make sure he has Charlie's help with freeing him from Lilith's grasp. It seems to make sense since Charlie is the daughter of Lilith so Alastor probably thinks she can change Lilith's mind and free Alastor.
also in the same episode alastor said "she is filled with potential that i could guide" maybe meaning that charlie still has her soul but not her free will or he is just saying that charlie is just too naive
@@alpha-1redrighthand charlie has her soul just need to do a favor for alastor
@@alpha-1redrighthand I think Charlie still has free will. Children or young adults have free will, but can still be groomed for a position or to think a certain way. It may be Alastor trying to get loose from his deal certainly, but he may also be trying to guide her for other purposes as well. Charlie is the princess of hell, that would be a very influential pawn to have even for non nefarious reasons.
I don’t think Alastor is going to use the favor to get rid of the deal I think he’s gonna get out of it himself and then use the favor to steal the hotel so he can steal souls from the people trying to redeem themselves
He could also take her hostage and the favor can be a "stay with me until I say you can go", but that sounds way too straightforward for Alastor
In my opinion, I think she did not leave her family. She is there as part of the bargain to keep the hellborn and her family safe. She might be held prisoner and made a deal with Alastor to watch her child. Lute trying to force her to stop her child, since she is in charge now, and the deal with Adam is void. Luci and Lilith are still married, just separated being together for eons. Also when Lute insults her child, Lilith looks angry at Lute. With Eve I believe she Root. There is so much hate for Lilith and I don't see her just abandoning her family. I don't think Luci cheated with Eve, he was referring to the apple he gave Eve. He just trying to get under Adam's skin.
Yeah i got that also as a theory that she is kept as a prisoner (and that haven has a nice prison but still a prison) and that her deal with Adam is not to hurt her daughter and husband/not to kill her (i still think she ask Alastor to take care of her Charlie because she can't)
But we still got so little that i still can't make a theory
@@juliaboskamp9666 Yes that is how I see it.
I also wonder if she is in fact playing some sort of long game to usurp Heaven, but she was worried that Charlie wouldn’t approve.
@@jaohonaxa Yes I agree too and something terrible happened 7 years ago.
But lute said “if you want to stay here” which implies Lilith is here on her own accord
2:03 dude, what are you talking about?
Lilth had a deal with Adam. Adam is now dead, so the deal is over. Lilth nor lute wanted adam dead. Lute clearly hates lilth being in heaven and is still hurt by Adams' death. She is taking her anger out on lilth.
You misread that whole conversation, my man
Lilith does want Adam dead though, she hated him from the start?
Adam is theoretically not dead, it is very likely that he will return as a sinner
I think he was killed by an angelic weapon
@@keileyk8507Her deal with Adam was keeping her in heaven.
Now that he's dead she needs to stop Charlie from succeding so Lute will allow her to stay.
A lot of people are forgetting that lillith’s songs can influence demons, then Alastor convinces Charlie to sing into his microphone and then all of sudden all the cannibals said Ight bet let’s do it,
Idk my theory is lillith wanted heavens attention she started an uprising, the exterminators came and Adam made a deal with lillith that he’d spare hellborn if she left and that’s why she’s chilling in heaven, cuz she thinks Charlie is safe and her hellborn people are safe. If anything when she comes back she’ll probably be an anti-hero but I’m not seeing main villain
On a personal theory she made a deal with Adam go stay in heaven and he wouldn’t start killing the Hellborn, including Charlie
What would he have out of her staying in heaven? Heaven is seemingly a nice place to be at. I think she just wanted to be there, in heaven, so she sacrificed her people. And now she is angry because she has to go back to hell and deal with Charlie.
@@krembryle7903 Because she's been rabble-rousing for literal centuries and having her kept in check in heaven as a willing hostage makes sure she's not there to do that anymore? It's plausible.
@@krembryle7903 lilith ruled hell she was the one who allowed the sinners to be so powerful
I like this theory, Adam is a petty mysogynistic douchebag. It’s in my personal headcanon that when lilith left him for lucifer, he was angry and to get back at her he found a new wife just like that, only for her to cheat on him with lucifer as well. To which his anger is even more directed at lucifer. Then in a combination of destroying their family unit and a ‘if i cant have her no one can’ mindset, he makes a deal with lilith or lucifer or both that lilith leaves them and stays in heaven, no contact, and in exchange the hellborn demons [including charlie] as well as lucifer will be spared from the extermination. But now that charlie and lucifer had a hand in killing adam [even though they didnt outright kill him], lute is making a new deal with lilith. That’s kinda what i got from the finale.
@@yazzyari9746 there’s a flaw in that though in the beginning. If they are going a bit like biblical sense then Adam’s new wife was not found but created from his rib bone. And also Eve was made in the form of Lilith which was why the devil gave her the apple.
Lute's statement could also be taken to mean Lilith was only in Heaven due to a deal she cut with Adam, and with him dead she needs to make a new deal with Lute.
The fact Vivzie mentioned in her latest interview that Lilith is going to be a multi seasonal mystery, it's gotta be wayyyy more that "She just up and ditched her family" I also can't imagine Vivzie would make a villain in mythology a villain in the show.
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Yeah what if that's not Lilith but Eve impersonating Charlie's mother similar to Queen Chrysalis and Cadence from MLP? I like this idea better since I believe the real Lilith is loving and caring but she got kidnapped and trapped by Eve who took her form.
In the finale song, during Alastor's part, I think many people overlook the line "Once I finally unclip my wings", especially since the episode literally right before the finale has Vaggie get her wings back.
I know this is hare-brained and goes completely against all established lore, feel free to laugh at and condemn this idea, but "unclipping" his "wings" combined with Lilith being in heaven makes me feel like he has some kind of tie directly to heaven.
Alaster job is to punish sinners. And he spend 7 year's in heaven that's why he was gone hes a angle turned into a demon
perhaps he is not a human soul at all
@@alpha-1redrighthand we know he was a human
In the german version he sings "Finde ich erst heraus wie ich die Flügel abkrieg"
Which can be translated to either
"if i find out to get the wings" or "if i find out how to remove the wings"
@internlisa5508 yes, as a german speaking guy I watched it in both German and English because my girlfriend is not that good in understanding English, but I still wanted to watch the "original."
And I was wondering about that part as well. I think, rhe german version means the second one, it would just make more sense to me that Alestor would sing about clipping his wings than him singing about getting some. Maybe the wings that were spoken about mean Lilith. With it being a play with words. Usually "clipping the wings" means loosing freedom. But in that case clipping the wings could be a hint to him having a deal with someone in heaven (maybe Lilith?) and him wanting to clip the wings means he wants to be free from that heavenly influence. It makes a lot of sense to me, that the writers of the show would play with common phrases and turn their meaning around. With Hazbin Hotel being a series about he'll and heaven it makes sense to use wordplays and play with what they mean, especially because the creative team behind the show has proven to be absolutely capable of using small, seemingly unimportant things and make them a hint for a greater thing going on in the background.
That's the only explanation I could think of.
honestly the suggestion that lillith is the counterpart of adam (toxic etc) is something that i never heard before but it kinda makes sense, and could explain if she did betray her family why she did it
Ngl Lilith being in heaven is crazy
That sheds new light into Adam's hatred of the residents of hell. It would be the equalivalent of working with your Ex...who cheated on you...with the guy who can and has beat you up......whose children are raised to think that you are a loser without seeing your side of the story.............and are actively encouraging your loved ones (Adam's descendents) to literally fall in the "bad crowd"...Oh my God.
Actually it was Adam and Lilith who had a deal Adam granted Lilith access to heaven where she could stay now that Adam is dead Lute is in charge now and her deal with Adam is done and if she wants to stay in heaven she has to follow Lute's orders from now on in exchange for life in paradise because Lute cares for Adam otherwise she wouldn't have shed tears for him so she didn't betrayed him
Yeah lute was really broken about it.
I still think this is actually Eve, just disguised as Lilith. We never even see her eyes and I think this is vital. Also the hair looks different.
why would eve need to disguised her self in heaven bro makes more sense if lilith was in hell but not heaven
Ive seen a little detail going around that could support that. The fact that all the family portraits have Lilith in a pearl necklace yet when we see her in the episode she’s wearing a pendant we’ve never seen. It could be a Vanessa little mermaid type situation.
Or just a fashion choice, who knows 🤷♀️
It could be, or are Lilith and Eve really one in same person? What if they were split into two different women in the Hazbin Hotel universe?
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Oh man I have a bad feeling this is gonna get ugly for Charlie and Lucifer.
@@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376 me too, I wonder if Lucifer knows something and is refusing to tell Charlie or anyone else
I think that the favor Alastor is going to ask from Charlie is to break his soul deal. He said that she wouldn't have to hurt anyone, so that leaves out every rivalry problem he has. He wants to get out of his deal with whoever tf owns his soul, and what better way to do it than to ask the princess of Hell herself?
There is a strong connection to that. Someone would have to probably be even stronger than Alastor to own his soul. The King and Queen obviously qualify as the strongest.
As of now I see two potential ways Lilith could go (fully prepared for both to be wrong as I’ve been wrong about her all season)
1. (Bad one) she did in fact abandon Charlie for heaven and she never really cared about the kingdom of hell. The deal with Adam let her stay there as long as the extermination’s weren’t interfered with or something.
2. (Goodish one) Lilith is playing some sort of long game to usurp heaven which Charlie might not approve of and her deal with Adam and (potentially) Alastor are part of that.
2.5 She is also on her journey to find god too!
I think you are overthinking the Lute, Adam relationship and the deal with Lilith. Lute legitimately had respect and cared for Adam to the point of reaching out to Lilith forcing her to do something if she wants to stay in heaven (Adam made a deal with Lilith letting her stay with them in exchange of something, maybe to lie to Sera about the sinners so he can get a green light on the extermination plan).
The idea of Lute being the only one who wanted to stay with him makes the smile he gives to her at the end 100% better.
I agree. I don’t think there was anything in the show to indicate lute wanted adam dead. She was genuinely horrified to see he had died.
I think she was always d rideing him
my personal theory of Lilith is, Lil made deals with Al and Adam. i feel like at some point as Charlies hotel was being pitched or created and during the time of Lucifer and Lilith's divorce, Lilith went to Al an made a deal, forcing Alastor to keep an eye and "help" Charlie with her hotel but also make sure she doesn't get into too much trouble. The deal with adam might be her going back to her ex for a way out. I dont put it past Lilith to get tired of Lucifer being depressed about what happened so she tried to keep Charlie from turning into him but ultimately failing and deciding to abandoned and dip from her family.
Im really interested how they'll handle Lilith in Season 2, why she and Lucifer split up, why has she been hanging out in Heaven all this time and why she had seemingly abandoned her family? It really seems like she'll be and antagonist to Charlie in Season 2 which could be similar to Disenchantment and the character of Queen Dagmar who was the mother of the main protagonist Princess Bea and became a major antagonist to her in the show. I imagine this will cause Charlie major parental conflict.
When I first saw the video I thought the same that Lilith was just out for herself, but after some thought I believe she made a deal with Adam to stay in Heaven to 'pull the strings' in secret and actually give Hell the key they need to rise up.
We know that no one has been able to kill an angel prior to the show. And we know now that the reason for that is because no one had access to Angelic Steel. "Angels wield no shields, little armor and fight with reckless abandon." Carmilla continues to say, "Angelic steel isn't common, those who have it aren't exactly rushing to use it." So hell has been defenseless the entire time. Any attempts hell could make towards heaven would just result in a bloodbath at best. I think Lilith knew this, one way or another.
In the Lilith reveal, Lute says: "Adam is dead. Your deal is done, and I'm in charge now." This can be seen in a few ways, and at first I thought the deal was to have Adam killed. But I don't think that's the case anymore. The deal was with Adam, but I don't believe it was to have him die. I believe the deal was that Lilith would stay in heaven, safe from the other angels, if she stayed there and does not interact with anyone in hell. I could see Adam proposing this deal and be surprised that Lilith would agree. She would have no way to instruct her generals or anyone to fight back, or interact with her family. It's a major benefit to heaven and even if other angels of heaven knew of the deal, I don't think they would reject taking the queen off of the chess board. Lucifer is already too depressed to fight, and Charlie is a child not in control. It would snuff a rebellion (if any) was brewing.
By why though? Why would she willing do this if her goal is to fight heaven? It's because this was the only way to get angelic steel INTO hell. There was no way for a demon/sinner to get to heaven to get Angelic Steel. Yes they didn't know their own steel would be their downfall, but why would anyone in heaven give anyone in hell a weapon? A divine one at that? So how else can you get the weapons? By grabbing them from the attackers themselves.
I'll admit this is a far-fetched plan/theory, but how else would you fight against a force that you have no way of killing, but they have the key to the answer? I believe that Adam came to Lilith with this deal as a means to make things easier, and was surprised when Lilith accepted. When she did she got trapped in heaven, forced to wait for her people to get with the program and get enough steel to rise up.
In conclusion, she took this seemingly one-sided deal so that it'd give hell/Charlie an opening to get the resources needed to fight back. To actually stand a chance. Now that they have the steel they can defend themselves now, and potentially take the fight to heaven. Velvet already mentioned the idea of war, so I could see a fair amount of sinners wanting the same for one reason or another. The issue for Charlie now is if this is all part of the plan from the beginning, will her mother listen to her idea for the hotel? Or is Lilith too deep to compromise with heaven and live in peace with them?
Hopefully this theory makes sense! Even if this video was misread it did bring a lot of conversations and theories.
a large part of me thinks that Lilith found out the extermination was for all hells denizens, meaning it didn't exclude Charlie and Lucifer. I do get it that Lucifer and Lilith are strong but a continuous onslaught of angels wouldn't do good for the three of them, esp Charlie. This might have made Lilith struck a deal with Adam afterwards which would put Lucifer and Charlie from the executioners list, in exchange Lilith would stay in heaven so she can't cause a revolution in hell. But this is a big IF scenario, depending on the timeline and actual events on how the whole extermination started, I might be wrong.
shes gonna play a much bigger role in S2
I genuinely believe this is the case. Lilith was given Free Will and like Adam atleast in this show is menat to embody the worst aspects of said Free Will, in this case feeling like you should be free of consequences and responsibilities, including to your family. Lilith likely saw having a family as something fun for a bit before deciding she got tired of it and abandoned both to selfishly enjoy herself.
Yet Adam was the only one seen as bad I hope he comes beck season 2 and is flushed out more . Lilith story is suspicious
Except unless it gets explained otherwise, Lilith never ate the forbidden fruit like Eve and Adam did.
Thereby having the moral highground look what they did ! Like lucifer saying sinners are the worst yet neglecting their role in causing that @@RiptoGakt
@@wolfsbanealphas617 Adam ain't coming back, he's perma dead.
That's like saying "Well, Not being Racist is actuall bad too!" Which destroyed the story's narrative while defending Status Quo
What the ending of the finale implies is that you can actually BUY your way out of Hell. Maybe not with money, but if you have some sort of asset that Heaven wants, you can make a deal to trade that asset for a stay in Heaven.
My theory is Alastor wants the hotel, because he sees that as a great way to make deals for the sinners' souls.
My theory is that Lilith didn't have a choice to be in heaven. If what Sera and Adam were saying about an uprising/rebellion of sinners is true, then it's possible Lilith was the leader in that. Like instead of killing her, or worse Charlie, she was forced to stay in heaven like a prison (even though there is no 'bad' in heaven)? And as a double penalty the exterminations started?
What if Adam granted Lilith the option to go to heaven (in secret) if she’d make it look like the sinners are rising up against hell to give Adam an excuse to exterminate them? Now with Adam dead their deal can be in some way considered “done” and now that Lute is in charge she’d want to keep the extermination going but can’t due to Charlie showing that angels can be killed. She would allow Lilith to stay if she’d deal with them and possibly convincing Charlie that she shouldn’t kill angels since it can be seen as wrong
My guess is that Lilith got something out of the deal and in return had to stay in heaven where the angels could keep an eye on her. Basically that this beach is heavens version of a prison.
This may look bad, but Lillith could be playing the long game. Maybe she just needed to get into heaven to work against them from the inside. We know Adam was an idiot who could be manipulated, Charlie almost had him eating out of her hand before she brought up the extermination. Maybe Lillith promised to stop instigating just so she could sabotage Sera and heaven.
Yeah, Lilith's deal was with Adam. Lute was just bringing his halo as a warning that Adam was gone and whatever deal they had for Lilith to be in Heaven no longer mattered, so she would have to clean up Charlie's mess if she wanted to remain in Heaven without being contested. Super curious to find out what that deal entailed, though. Sera was convinced of an uprising and Lilith was the one inspiring the rebellion. Cutting off the head of the rebellion by letting her into Heaven seems like the likely case.
With it said that Lilith’s song rallied Hell, does she have the power to mind control people with her singing?
Well Vox is already able to do something similar with his screens even at his power level, so its plausible.
" till death do is part, "
Adam died
Her deal with adam ended
And she neede to leave or be useful
Thinking that Lute wanted Adam to die doesn't make any sense
My interpretation is Lilith's deal with adam is over (my theory is she let something happen or gave him something for staying in heaven) and now because he's dead the deal is over so lute is telling her to help or be kicked out
1 of my theories is that Lilith died in an extermination 7 years ago and since she got banished to hell at the start without doing anything bad let her end up in heaven after being killed, like Sir Pentious
I’m not entirely sure what she’s been up to but it must be something major for her to *lose her horns!* Remember the family portrait in the pilot? The lady’s got a big rack (on her head) and that tiny hat wouldn’t hide them! … Unless she can hide and regrow her horns at will which would be where Charlie got that from? It’s fun to imagine!
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That is a very real possibility, but it’s also being implied that her horns are actually just a part of her crown and not connected to her skull at all, like a head dress.
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Or what if that's not Lilith but Eve impersonating Charlie's mother similar to Queen Chrysalis and Cadence I like this idea better than the whole Lilith being evil thing we don't need another Stella.
What makes people think lute *wanted* adam to die? When she tells lilith their deal is done it seemed clear she meant the deal lilith made with adam to keep her in heaven is over now that he's dead and now lute is changing what the deal was
And she didn't have to act broken up about adam dying in front of the Exorcists to make them listen to her
I’m mostly wondering why Adam never mentioned it. It seems like it would have been a natural comeback to Lucifer taunting Adam about stealing his first wife (and possibly his second) to say Lilith had run away to be with Adam. Meaning whatever the deal was it included not telling Lucifer and Charlie about Lilith.
To me her motives make a certain kind of sense if you remember her whole deal with Adam was not wanting to be subservient. While at first it looks like she and Lucifer rule Hell equally I think the sinners always considered him superior to her despite her being the ones leading them to rebel and I think this might have caused her to leave him. Alternatively we have a parallel to Lucifer’s fall from grace. One of the motives for Lucifer’s rebellion was that he had been the favorite creation of God, and then when Adam was created God told the angels that Adam was now the favorite and they’d better bow to him. Lucifer, the ex-favorite, was hurt by this and his pride wouldn’t let him bow to Adam so he rebelled. Lilith by contrast was clearly Lucifer’s most important person in the world until Charlie was born and then Charlie became his most important person. That didn’t mean he stopped loving Lilith but maybe she couldn’t stand not being the favorite anymore.
You make a good point. Especially because its been shown that Adam is terrible at keeping secrets. Was purposely telling those facts part of the deal or did Adam care more about his deal with Lilith to say anything.
Im under the headcanon that lilith is forcing him to stay at the hotel to stop charlie l, and maybe messi g up the deal lilith has with heaven, but alastor realized he might die if he remains after he almost fied to adam, and what he meant by a backdoor, is a way to leave the hotel without breaking the deal with lilith
Here are a couple of things that people seem to dismiss as possibilities:
If Lilith made a deal with Adam to keep her family safe, why would Adam intentionally attack Charlie and her hotel. She would have died, had it not been for Lucifer coming to his daughters aid. So the deal was not to protect her family.
If she is being kept as a prisoner, why let her go back to hell?
She had no reaction to when Lute called her daughter a B#@%$. She only got angry when she was told to go deal with her daughter.
That is Lilith and Charlie is her daughter, because Lute calls her that. She is not Eve.
She does not give a damn about hell or her family if she is not even there to protect them.
The deal was basically to let her stay in heaven or on earth. Does not matter which one. It was a selfish deal.
I don't think Alastor was given an order to sabotage the hotel as Lilith wasn't told to do so by Lute till the end. He was probably just given the order to make sure Charlie didn't get herself killed, and possibly ordered to have no soul deal with Charlie.
Considering Lute was sad that Adam died, it's possible her deal with Lilith was to actually demote Adam from his position in exchange that Lilith would remain hidden in heaven for years, but to Lute's dismay the deal was fulfilled in a faustian way.
I would argue that lute kinda "loved" adam and he doesnt care at all or used her feelings (maybe he was interested in veggie and thats why lute hates her so much?)
It looks to me more like a toxic one sided relationship.
Seeing her concerns for adam and her tears at his death.
What i am more intriged by is that luzifer had an affair with eve as well.
Now Adam's hate is totally justified or Lucifer was messing with Adam
I do think Adam somewhat cared about Lute, cause he smiled at her right before he died
sir pentious was a bad soul turned good so when he died again, he went to heaven. would that mean that since adam was a good soul turned bad, hes now in hell? or does adam not count?
He might be gone for good because i think the dagger niffty killed him with had angelic metal
@@oof3075 ohhh yeah true…
@@oof3075 Thing is what else would angelic metal be, but holy power infused into a weapon, so it doesn't require expending the energy one of those holy annihilation beams requires.
Maybe Lilith made i deal with Adam to protect Lucifer and Charlie, she had to remain in heaven so that she could not defend sinners from extermination and in exchange her family and she would not be killed
Why lucifer is way more powerfull than Adam why wpuld ge need protection? And in the fight Adam almost killt charlie
my personal theory, Vox began to gain power in hell, leading to alastor loosing power. Alastor took great offence to this (hating anything after his time) and so went to fight vox. Alastor lost and was forced to run. Lilith found Alastor and made a deal with him to preserve his power or something like that (in exchange for what im not sure). Alastor took the deal out of desperation.
Lilith is most likely the one that drove Lucifer and Charlie apart, making Charlie think that Lucifer is too busy to care about her but in reality Lucifer missed and love her daughter very much, she most likely didn't want lucifer to catch up with her plan.
You mean the Manipulative she-demon who was banished by God is also a bad mom?
Honestly wondering what this means about "Eve" in the canon of the story. If Adam turned bitter after being allowed to be the first man, and Lilith resents not being allowed to be the first woman - what does this mean for Eve who became the new "first woman" BUT could technically be blamed for introducing Sin into the world because of Lucifer? Are we to believe that this trio from Genesis all have a reason to hate the hand they were dealt because of their actions with no redeeming qualities? I don't know. Granted, Eve was not introduced alongside Adam as an exterminator, so maybe she has different values and is happy with her place and role in Heaven. Hopefully ^_^
I can't wait for season 2❤
I HOPE she doesn't become like Odalia and Dagmar
Honestly Lilith being the equivalent of Queen Dagmar from Disenchantment seems quite likely as both her and Lilith are the mothers of the main protagonist seemingly are set up as the next major antagonist of the show
Same
i hope they dont make her another stella i want her to genuinely be a good mom
my theory is that lillith being in heaven was probably thanks to adam in the sense that he still cared abt her and maybe lillith used that, which was probably the deal that was mentioned. i dont think lute would want to get rid of adam and i dont think lillith would either since she has him where she wants him. however, now that hes dead, lillith doesnt have adams help and lute is saying that she will be cast out of heaven if she refuses to sort her daughter out. so she has to get involved now. thats what i took from it anyway
I wonder is she in heaven or eden?
does eden still exist in the hazbin universe? like wasnt it on earth or was it really in another realm like heaven hell? dont remember if they explained this in the beginning but i cant remember so im geunuinly asking
Maybe Purgatory?
Well Eden is a garden for the most part so I’d assume just Heaven.. not to mention Eden was on Earth and not in Heaven
could be, but i highly doubt i since till yet the series-universe didnt really is specific to any religion it has aspects of judaism and christianity, would be kinda weird if they now add something that is catholic exclusive you know? atleast IMO@@kittylover62
since i cant see my comments i think it might be flagged by youtube which would be a bummer but well
I highly doubt that since the hazbin unsivers isnt based on one specific R3ligion (a mix of j u a d i s m and c h r i s t i a n i a t y) and therefore it would be weird to add something which is c a t h o l i c exlusive you know, atleast IMO@@kittylover62
I personally think Alastor wasn't acting when he fought for the hotel. In his part of the final song, his facial expressions make me think he was wondering what came over him, sort of a "what was I thinking" situation.
I had the same misunderstanding at first and was really confused. I didn’t get it until I rewatched the episode. You’re not alone! Looking forward to your other videos on this season!
Ok I know I sound like a coper and I am but.
I believe Adam and Lilith's deal is on the redemption of the Sinners in hell.
After Adam killed Sir Pentious with a holy blast, he only appeared in Heaven after Adam died and spawned infront of Sera and Emily which is weird because the main entrance is with St. Peter.
And after Adam used his angelic abilities on Alastor, Alastor's powers got turned off like all of it and after his near death experience with Adam he was craving for more "Freedom".
The reason is that Eve and probably Lucifer is keeping these Sinners in hell for eternity, Angels just dont kill the sinners and they are perma gone, Vivzie said it when Sinners die by Angelic weapons they become one with the infustructure of Hell. So I believe this is a way of Preserving their souls to keep both the population of hell in check and to save their souls once redemption was possible.
It is such a reach I know but we know that Adam didn't eat the fruit so all of his actions from then to now is not by Free will but from instinct. So he is by all means a sinless man and his death could have been something more as if it was forgiving his children's sins.
My issue with Adam being a sinless man is that would he not be hell bent ( no pun intended) on killing sinners because to kill is a sin
@@MiraclecultartThe apple gave mankind free will, the ability to tell right from wrong and choose which action they would take.
Adam has no idea what gets someone into Heaven, and kills Sinners because he believes they deserve simply because they were sent there at all.
He's dense because he never ate the apple.
@@Miraclecultart I mean in one of Vivziepop's streams it says that when a Sinner dies by a Angelic weapon they're soul becomes apart of the architecture of Hell, so I can see it as a way of preserving their soul for Redemption once its possible?
“Of Adam's first wife, Lilith, (The witch he loved before the gift of Eve) it is told that, ere the snake's, her sweet tongue could deceive. And her enchanted hair was the first gold. And still... she sits... young... while the earth is old... and, subtly of herself contemplative, draws men to watch the bright web she can weave, till heart and body and life are in it’s hold.”
- Lady Lilith, A Poem By 19th Century English Poet Dante Gabriel Rosetti, 1868
I’m fairly sure that when lute tells Lilith that the deal is over, she is referring to Adam and Lilith having some form of deal and that either Adam dead, the deal is over
The line from Alastair's song about "needing to clip these wings". What if he died in the last extermination but saved a life and ended up in heaven. He made a deal with Lilith and he was able to get his demonic power back, and the stay in Hell.
It was also said somewhere that the extermination was with Lilith's consent. So this must have been part of the deal between her and Adam. Maybe in exchange for agreeing to extermination, Lilith was given a place in heaven, where she was free from hell, her husband, and sinners.
And now that the extermination has failed for the first time, thanks to Charlie and the rest, that's where Lute's words to Lilith come from.
I have a theory about alastor here it is so in the finale song alastor says “if I can unclip my wings” so what if alastor was an angel and lillith and alastor made a deal to swap and give him a lot of power in hell while also watching over Charlie. Idk I just thought of this though
I think Lilith had a deal with Adam and now that he’s dead the deal is done. Whatever that deal may have been. And now Lute is saying she can alert heaven to her presence and get thrown out or she can stay and get her daughter in line as payment.
Omg omg! I'm that fan that mentioned the phone call and Alastor showing up after! I posted about it a few days ago on Facebook groups. I've been watching so many of your videos since the show arrived on prime, and was literally thinking how has this creator not pointed this out yet! And now you have, because of lil ole me (or someone else who has the same thought at the same time I did) but I'm flabbergasted, flattered, and so proud you mentioned my theory and that you were influenced by it 🥺😭🥺😭
Lilith may have left because lusifer bc he slept with eve like said in the episode 8 fight
I really don’t believe that theory
I think lucifer would be way too depressed to even cheat😂
Also this theory only holds up if eve is in hell
That's such a good theory
I think Lucifer was talking about giving the fruit of wisdom to Eve rather than sleeping with her
@@notme8652 True. If anything, he probably slept with Eve after Lilith and him broke apart.
I wonder, will sinners who end up in heaven be called redeemers or something like that?
Sinners, winners and redeemers sounds about right
@@idk-dv9stIt does 😁
@@vontheunknown7982 😊
Even if they don't call them that in the show, I am headcanoning it.
I also think that lute was refering to a deal with adam since she said "your" instead of "our", also i would consider that lilith was the one with the upper hand in the deal, mainly because considering adam personality, im sure he would have use that as a comeback when lucifer was making fun of him about his 2 wifes.
I might be wrong and missing something... although, it might also be possible that lute said "your deal" if she was force to take that deal by lilith but i guess thats just me overthinking...
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Great work
I don’t think Lute had a deal with Lilith. She says “Adam is dead, your deal is done. I’m in charge now” which can be implied to mean Lute had some involvement in Adam’s death, but I think it was just worded poorly. I’m pretty sure what she meant was ‘Adam is dead, so your deal you had with him is no longer valid. Also I’m replacing him’ This would also work with what she said and makes a lot more sense. Lilith made a deal with Adam and now that he’s dead the deal no longer applies.
The merry-go-round is go to be one Hell of a ride. This is only the beginning of some very chaotic. really hope we see more of Alastor plain/boss he's working with either Lilith or Roo though it has to be her also if he's call for that favor from Charlie and season 3 maybe backstab Charlie and Lilith to be King of Hell.
I have a theory that Lilith was forced to be in heaven because she is the main reason of hell powers, so the exterminators work can be easier, I think the creator what us to think that she is evil to hide the real antagonist, Lilith it's a character made for been misunderstanding and controversial, but at the same time if on the screen we see her as evil, in the background she always seems so nice, so I don't think she's the evil one.
(I'm Italian so I hope my English is understandable)
I hope we see both of Lute and Adam in season 2. I really loved the characters. I hope Adam will manifest in Hell and has to show up at the hotel, which will also bring lute to change her mind because she misses Adam and both will grow in that situation.
Killing of the first human ever, kinda sits wrong with me to tbh. I wonder how other people think about it.
I am still unsure that it is Lilith on the beach. The one in the flashback has her face "covered", but we also have Lilith's face in the pictures.
The woman on the beach has her eyes and hair covered. So it could still just be Eve. Even when it is Lilith she could have selfish to selfless reasons to be there.
It's also weird that Adam never flext with Lilith's location to hurt Lucifer or Charley...
I know, I know a lot of coping. Cause I and I assume my other still wish for the loving powercouple of hell
She is also missing her horns, which are suspiciously absent.
You know...if the ties between Alastor and Lilith are true with the 7 year disappeance, Alastor was probably in heaven, too. He refers to being there in his song "Insane".
The fan-made song "Insane"?
okay i literally had to subscribe after that wonderful speech
Li's deal was with Adam, he seemingly be the reason she's allowed to stay in heaven for whatever reason. Now that he's dead, Lute is the only thing that can keep her there, and Lute is demanding that she sort out Charlie if she wants to continue stay there.
I suspect it is that Lilith and Adam are more of less the male and female version of each other. And I suspect they are looking for someone who played one of the Plastics in Mean Girls or one of the Heathers to play her. She probably is just always looking for something better and at first Lucifer was that charming nerdy guy that was the extreme opposite of Adam, then everything happened and it could be Charlie more or less was becoming like Lucifer without the snark factor. And she was more or less hoping either her child would be just like her or she might be the famed antichrist (never mind that Charlie does have some qualities that makes you wonder and that Zaggie and Angel might be more important to the fate of the world). But I started to have a thought last night about Alastor that is more or less related. What if he isn't Alastor? What if he is just posing as him and Zestial's question about him falling into holy arms is partially true. He got caught and more or less Lilith negotiated a deal and it took the angel who was taking his place time to download on him and his allies and enemies. But God worried about this and offered the angel, Michael in this theory., a deal. There is some thought he was actively the bad one who then turned on Lucifer to make himself look good. But it would also explain how he became fond of Charlie over these six months, he is her uncle.
I'm honestly super excited to see Lucifer and Lilith on different sides. Lucifer wants to support Charlie and the hotel as it's reawoken his own passions and dreams. Meanwhile Lilith will want Charlie’s hotel destroyed because it fulfills her dreams and ambitions (which seems to be to stay in heaven).
And Charlie who started the hotel in her mother’s memory and was inspired by her, has to face the reality of the Morningstar family possibly having a civil war amongst themselves. Lucifer and Charlie vs Lilith and in the end what she believed of her mother wasn’t true, just like the misunderstanding she had about her father.
We know Lucifer loves Charlie ‘more than anything’ more than hell, heaven, himself. And probably even more than his ex-wife. Meanwhile since Adam symbolised toxic masculinity I could see Lilith embodying toxic femininity as the first woman. Selfish, narcissistic, shallow and self absorbed. Unlike Lucifer who will choose his daughter over himself and possibly his wife, I could see Lilith being the opposite, Charlie’s dreams are inconsequential to her in the grand scheme of getting what she wants.
To quote Alastor: "You're status quo will know it's race is run!"
This hits different now.
lilith was in heaven because her deal with adam was to stop singing/inspiring demons in exchange for her familys safety
While I do think she might betray her family I don’t think she’s doing it out of malice I think she left because she couldn’t take the extermination days anymore and her and Lucifer had a falling out because of it and she did it to protect Eve because she felt responsible for Eve’s predicament.
Eve?
@@jaiy1321 because think about she ate the apple so she’s probably hated by everyone and because of that she’s become an outcast.
@marionmcdaniel347 But Adam was sent to Earth with her, and they also had a lot of kids. So he some what loved her
@@jaiy1321 true but I think eventually his anger and resentment consumed him and Eve left him because of it.
@marionmcdaniel347 I think Adam died before Eve and he was taken to heaven. I think there is more to Adam's story
I have a theory about alastros deal constraints. I think one of the constraints is that he can't use angelic weapons
He killed angles with angelic weapons during the big battle
@@Brown-Egg-. did he? My fault
@@Brown-Egg-. does that mean he could have killed Adam if he had the angelic weapon still
@@Brown-Egg-. does that mean he could have killed Adam if he had the angelic weapon still
There’s a theory His staff is one
She may not see her actions as betrayal like with Adam she could see it as breaking free from what’s holding her down
It makes sense why Adam said he loves the tunes when it comes to hell. Maybe he was a Lillith fan still and still infatuated with her.
i oh so wish adam didnt die 😭
I’m mostly wondering about Eve. Was she in a relationship with Lucifer as well??? What happened there?
It seemed to me that Alastor thought he couldn't be harmed by angelic weapons. Like what Carmilla had said about the Exterminators. They act like they can't be hurt. So with that thought Alastor was genuinely surprised that Adams power could actually hurt him. Only then does Alastor openly question his "deal". He also didn't seem to care about angering Lucifer who also would have angelic power etc. So i think up to that point Alastor didnt think he could be harmed by it. Unless its he is powerless to angelic power which is why he would need the deal broken to fight Lucifer. Just a few thoughts.
i would very much like if you would make an theory video about Roo (root of all evil), an incoming villain in hazbin that has been teased by vivzie years ago. And an interesting trait about her, are the many eyes that surround the character, and those eyes can be seen an variety of times through the 8 episodes of the first season, SPECIALLY on alastor's shield and broadcast room in episode 8 where he sings about his deal, which may not be with lilith as everyone think but with Roo, who keeps an eye on alastor at all times
I love how Lilith is just chilling on the beach while her husband Lucifer and daughter Charlie are kicking Angel's ass in hell.
But so much for the theory Lilith is Eve. on the beach that's really Lilith, because of the hair. But in the flashback it was definitely another person, Eve. And did Alastor really lose his soul to Lilith if she was in heaven and had a contract with Adam? Maybe the owner of his soul is Eve/Roo? But what is Lilith up to? Does she really care about her husband and daughter? Does Lucifer know his wife is in heaven? Oh, so many questions...
Imo still could be Eve because of the hat. I just know that a good amount of the long time Fans would be dissapointed when Lucifer and Lilith broke up
I am very interested in ROO if in fact their names means what people think it dose
i would bet on lilith and the contractor to alistor. in my opinion: lilith helped adam to do the extermination in exchange for a place in heaven and she send alistor to protect charlie as she called her for help.
When do you think season two is going to get a release date this year?
I saw a post that mentioned August, but I think that's hoping for a lot. However, in the last Viv live stream, Erika (Charlie's VA) said the initial "filming" (animation) for season 2 was done, and they were in the voice work phase.
@@strawberryhellcat4738 when do you think we’re gonna get a trailer?
@@bumblegod1273 Unsure. However, June seems to frequently be the month chosen to drop trailers for fall premiers.
I think alastor is trying to influence charlie to be a leader or something, I don’t doubt the sabotage part, but viv said in a recent stream that he would make a good mentor, and he mentions when talking to Rosie that he will try to mentor her. Idk I’m probably wrong but it’s fun to think about
I think we can further conclude that Sara never authorized and is completly unaware of the deal with Lilith and her presense in heaven. This sets up Lute and Sara for a shock and conflict with Lute when she learns things are being done behind her back.
wow damn 95 likes already to the vid, (ive never been this early)
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Please talk about how sir pensious is now in heaven and how that will affect heaven and the hotel❤
Lute said your deal with Adams done. Go deal with your daughter if you want to stay here. Also did you see Lute when Adam died she loved him she wanted him dead she was his right hand rewatch the last episode she was pissed off when talking to Lilith.
Do you think Lucifer is pretending to be clownish that hiding behind the facade is the devil we know
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Anyone else think that lute and Adam were more than just colleagues? , Or am I reading way more into when Adam was dying and lute screamed his name?
2:02 Lute having a deal with Lilith to get Adam removed doesn't make sense because Lute was crying over Adam's death, his death touched her deeply. Lute never has been hiding her feelings, she's explicit what she feel about anything.